| IVOD_ID |
158634 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158634 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-20 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
20 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T11:50:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T11:56:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:06:33 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5b11963b56dd52582f82bf49b3fbaf4a5671cb7f8abfc27ffa913c6d79a6ea1625ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
鄭天財Sra Kacaw |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:50:13 - 11:56:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、請行政院秘書長率同所屬，就行政院所屬人員涉嫌霸凌案件處置情形專題報告並備質詢。二、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於行政院部分。三、繼續審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。四、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。五、繼續審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。
備註：本次會議開會時間為上午9時至議程處理完竣） |
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趙偉 各位委員 請秘書長好 請秘書長這位好 秘書長好我們現在是繼續審查114年度行政院的預算案沒有錯吧所以這個秘書長因為你當政務官很久了 很多年而這個行政院發言人 |
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他是記者出身的嗎沒有錯吧所以你要多指導他就預算法46條規定的很清楚沒 |
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明年的預算就是115年的預算114年的預算必須在113年8月底以前送到立法院這個是預算法是16條4個月前就要送所以在解釋上解釋上當然法律修正的當然是用到後年的嘛預算案是這樣因為已經送來已經審查了嘛何況 |
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何況立法院三讀通過的時間是12月20號113年12月20號按照一般的行政流程總統依法公佈的話也是114年了嘛所以在解釋上都是不可能從編預算所以這個要指導他啦 好不好好 我們接下來 |
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這很重要的一個憲法判決111年10月28號憲判制第17號這裡面特別明定對於平埔族群的身份 |
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這個要在先知日期三年內要這個公布施行不然的話就違法違憲所以這個必須在114年10月27號以前必須要公布評估族群身份法這是現判17號的一個正式的判決這個請問一下秘書長什麼時候可以把這個草案送到立法院 |
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那個陳時中政委他是有在這個討論這件事情有一個專案小組正在做這樣的事情他有是有在我們政務會裡面有做過一次還兩次的報告那後續如果有比較明確的方向的話我想我們就會盡快提出來民主黨這個時間你要 |
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請秘書長去協調陳時中政務委員有這個時間的急迫性他知道他知道不是不是不是知道他還要知道我知道但是還是要提醒了第一個哈第一個顏明慧送來的到行政院11月就送去了顏明慧送到行政院的草案11月就送去了是經過很多場的 |
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說明會已經聽起了平埔族群還有原住民族群的意見之後提了草案所以要盡可能要絕大部分應該要尊重尊重延民會所提的草案為什麼呢因為他是聽起了各界的意見尤其是平埔族群的意見好不好因為必須在我的建議 |
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務必要在一月底以前這個月底以前為什麼呢我們看這個時程二月立法院開會對不對開始正式會審這個法案二月下旬甚至三月初然後還要開很多的次很多的說不定還要開公聽會之類的所以必須要在今年的五月三十一號以前的定期會要完成才有辦法不然的話 |
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過了這個定期會就來不及了所以這個是一個一定要提醒最好是一月底以前就是下個會期一定要通過了對對對沒有錯好接下來這個研究法推動會這個院長親自主持在113年12月19號召開了研究法推動會 |
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仍然沒有依延期法來審議協調未完成的法案這個你要跟延民會講所送來的不是報告案這個跟那個毫無關係了要完成的按照延期法審議協調延期法相關事務啊最重要的是什麼呢比如說延期法第四條啊 |
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原住民組織法還沒有完成啊應該要討論這個尤其是行政院院長第一次卓榮泰院長第一次召開這個基本法推動會他應該要了解結果沒有列這個討論案啊原紀法20條也是一樣啊土海法啊蔡總統這個要我們會很快的將原住民組織法土海法送到立法院審議八年多沒有啊沒有送來啊 |
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我們卓榮泰院長也說政府也將落實原住民族基本法背立原住民族自治的推動所以卓院長第一次主持的原住民法推動會當然應該是要討論這個才對你看原住民族土地法治這是卓院長在書面報告寫得很清楚的所以這個部分要請秘書長要跟延民會講 |
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好不好以後不要隨便弄一個報告案了謝謝 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：（11時50分）召委、各位委員，有請秘書長。 |
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好，請秘書長。 |
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龔秘書長明鑫 |
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鄭委員好。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：秘書長好。 |
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我們現在是繼續審查114年度行政院的預算案，沒有錯吧？ |
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秘書長，因為你當政務官很久、很多年了，而這個行政院發言人是記者出身的，沒有錯吧？是的。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以你要多指導他，預算法第四十六條規定得很清楚，明年的預算也就是114年的預算必須在113年8月底以前送到立法院，依預算法第四十六條，在4個月前就要送達，所以在解釋上，法律已經修正了，當然是適用到後年的預算。 |
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預算案就是這樣，因為已經送來、已經審查了，何況財劃法立法院三讀通過的時間是113年12月20號，按照一般的行政流程，總統依法公布也已經是114年了，在解釋上不可能重編預算，所以應該要指導他，好不好？ |
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好，我們接下來談一個很重要的憲法判決，就是在111年10月28號的憲判字第17號判決，這裡面特別指出，對於平埔族群的身分要在宣示之日起3年內修法或另定特別法並公布施行，不然的話就違憲，所以必須要在114年10月27號以前公布平埔族群身分法，這是憲判字第17號判決，是一個正式的判決。 |
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請問一下秘書長，什麼時候可以把這個草案送到立法院？ |
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報告委員，陳時中政委是有在討論這件事情，有一個專案小組正在做這樣的事情，他有在我們政務會議裡面做過一次還是兩次的報告，後續如果有比較明確的方向，我們就會儘快的提出來。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：請秘書長去和陳時中政務委員協調，因為有時間的急迫性。 |
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是，他知道。 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我知道，但是還是要提醒，第一個，原民會是在11月就把草案送到行政院去了，有經過很多場的說明會，已經聽取了平埔族群還有原住民族群的意見，然後提了草案，所以要儘可能、絕大部分應該要尊重原民會所提的草案，為什麼呢？ |
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因為它是聽取了各界的意見，尤其是平埔族群的意見，好不好？ |
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我建議務必要在1月底以前也就是這個月底以前，為什麼呢？ |
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我們來看這個時程，立法院在2月開會對不對？ |
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2025-01-02T11:54:39.758000+08:00 |
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在2月下旬甚至3月初會開始正式審這個法案，然後還要開很多次會，說不定還要開公聽會之類的，所以必須要在今年5月31號以前的定期會完成才有辦法，不然的話，等過了這個定期會就來不及了，所以這個一定要提醒。是。 |
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0.864 |
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2025-01-02T11:54:40.939000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:54:42.120000+08:00 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：最好是1月底以前。 |
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0.35 |
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龔秘書長明鑫 |
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2025-01-02T11:54:42.501000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:54:44.282000+08:00 |
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就是下個會期一定要通過。 |
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1 |
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2025-01-02T11:54:44.282000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-02T11:54:45.282000+08:00 |
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鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，沒有錯。 |
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0.235 |
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2025-01-02T11:54:44.582000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:06.217000+08:00 |
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好，接下來，原基法推動會是由院長親自主持，在113年12月19號召開了原基法推動會，可是仍然沒有依原基法來審議、協調未完成的法案。 |
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0.808 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:07.717000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:19.861000+08:00 |
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秘書長，你要跟原民會講他們應該送來的不是報告案，這個跟那個毫無關係，要按照原基法審議、協調原基法相關事務，最重要的是什麼呢？ |
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0.786 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:21.422000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:33.448000+08:00 |
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譬如說原基法第四條，原住民族自治法還沒有完成，應該要討論這個啊！ |
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0.759 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:33.448000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:45.316000+08:00 |
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尤其是行政院卓榮泰院長第一次召開這個基本法推動會，他應該要了解，結果沒有列這個討論案啊！ |
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1 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:46.697000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:56.383000+08:00 |
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原基法第二十條也是一樣，還有土海法，蔡總統說：我們會很快的將原住民族自治法、土海法送到立法院審議。 |
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0.773 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:56.383000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:55:58.024000+08:00 |
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可是已經八年多了，都沒有送來啊！ |
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0.571 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:00.341000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:16.044000+08:00 |
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卓榮泰院長在報告時也說「政府也將落實原住民族基本法，俾利原住民族自治推動」，所以卓院長第一次主持的原基法推動會當然應該要討論這個才對啊！ |
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0.873 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:16.044000+08:00 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:31.472000+08:00 |
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你看「健全原住民族土地法制」，這個在卓院長的書面報告裡面寫得很清楚，所以請秘書長要跟原民會講，以後不要隨便弄一個報告案，好不好？謝謝。 |
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0.797 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
主席 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:31.972000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:47.114857+08:00 |
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秘書長，本席在開會期間常常會休息，在休息的時候本席都不在，那就看今天審預算的時候，如果本席不在，你是不是要跑回行政院。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:47.414857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:53.986286+08:00 |
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好，接下來就請蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在。 |
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0 |
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主席 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:54.286286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2025-01-02T11:56:56.000571+08:00 |
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請羅智強委員。 |
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0 |