| IVOD_ID |
158621 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158621 |
| 日期 |
2025-01-02 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
17 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2025-01-02T10:42:43+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2025-01-02T10:53:42+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/186d177ad48e30e5cf7b8495bb16fe42c921d2cbf1168e40671cb7f8abfc27ff771403a2bdfbe5105ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王育敏 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:42:43 - 10:53:42 |
| 會議時間 |
2025-01-02T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第17次全體委員會議（事由：請勞動部、衛生福利部、教育部就「推動友善職場、校園性騷擾與霸凌防治及長照悲歌並檢討現行長照制度缺失與長照3.0規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席那個部長 輪流一下 我們先請勞動部 洪部長網友好 |
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部長我先請問你那個救安基金的審計部的報告你自己有沒有看過有是不是我要先跟你討論這個救安基金的問題審計部已經證實了這個5174萬救安基金的編列是使用不當的而這當中我們可以看到光是媒體宣導的費用就高達3784萬佔整體的七成三 |
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也就是勞動部把你們的沒宣費用除了你公務預算有編列一部分之外多數你通通都用救安基金來使用而這個審計部直指你們 |
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是使用不當這當中我上次質詢的時候我就問許民村的演唱會他的經費從哪裡來是從你們媒體的這個預算裡面來的然後你們當時還告訴我說這個是開口合約沒有問題審計部的報告就告訴你你們名目都不符很有問題違法使用部長這個部分你們要怎麼去改進 |
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跟王委員報告其實這裡面審計部報告我們都讀過了所以裡面有分幾個部分的層次審計部在你有沒有覺得你們開口合約有問題你們的預算編列不夠精確先跟王委員報告 |
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審議部裡面確實有提到開口合約的問題那這部分關於履約的管理那也包括其實有一些後續的集合的部分目前我們已經請同仁來進行相關的檢討那我們也不排除未來當然要調整做法 |
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好我就告訴大家這個勞動部花錢完全如流水不手軟他們製作一部影片勞動節主題影片你知道這三年來他們花了2800萬 |
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平均一支影片的造價的金額是一千萬到八百萬之間平均是九百萬那個衛福部邱太仁部長我麻煩你上來一下我要問一下衛福部請問你們在媒體宣導的預算裡面你們做一支影片花多少錢衛福部的預算編列 |
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來 你們下面的師長趕快去救駕你們自己都有編列預算啊保護師你們平均做一支影片要花多少錢人家勞動部是一千萬到八百萬的規格請問你勞動部做多少錢看第一個秒數第二個用什麼方式你曾經最貴的多少錢嗎 |
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90萬左右也是有的啦都不到100萬對不對我自己知道的情況大概也是這樣子是這種規格好兩位請回去紅部長我就是要讓你看到勞動部有這樣的一個就業基金的小金庫你們的媒體預算遠高於其他部會一支影片竟然耗資1000萬到800萬是怎麼做的 |
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你這段我沒有去查你上任之後你是不是要這樣的情況那你明年是不是繼續這樣子編跟網友說明我們其實在檢討我剛才說審議部的報告裡面其實裡面提到好幾個層次的指證 |
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這個要不要檢討 你回答就好當然 這當然要檢討所以明年不會出現這種八百萬等級的影片勞動部不會出現了我覺得還是要看它這個採購的規格是否合宜我們現在在講的這個問題是關於採購的規格的合宜度的狀況那我們確實有看到 過去的社會裡面不是要拍電影 你也不是文化部一個勞動部拍片要耗資一千萬 |
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是拍什麼啊?拍小電影啊?所以那個跟完說明我們其實也有在檢討說有一些可能他可能是需要有需要的工作,但凱德的規格是不是合宜?另外一個,好我時間有限,部長我們進行下一個另外一個是你們的整個基金管理一團糟你們現在自己設定了一個門檻五千萬以上的計畫 |
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才要去查核查核的比例佔你總基金的預算只有兩成多這是審計部的報告直指你們的整個管控的覆蓋率太少了完全不足這麼少的一個覆蓋率多數都是你勞動部說了算包括我前面指出來的你這一些製作影片的錢 |
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加起來每一年沒有超過五千萬所以根本不用送這一個審核所以只要部長拍板就可以這其實並不是只要送審核啦簡單來說審議部這個報告是指其實我們還有在另外設一個內控的機制你們內控機制也沒有發揮功能啊所以內控機制裡面是五千萬以上 |
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雙重的不足嘛第一個你設了一個高門檻審計部的報告直指你這個五千萬其實是不合理的嘛我們審理的公務預算一百萬幾十萬在立法院裡面每一筆委員直指細細的審結果到了你的救安基金五千萬以下的通通不用審啊 |
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跟委員說明並不是五千萬以...你有說委員會審嗎沒有啊這個指的其實也不是委員會這個指的是我們在另外設了一個內控的機制我知道再去做事前事後的把關所以我們現在會接下來會要來提出了強化把關的機制裡面 |
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也會針對事前的審查的強化甚至事後的集合來做強化的把關這事情也在我們強化把關機制的方案裡面好你這個問題真的很大難怪這個弊端重生那所以我在這邊就具體的訴求拒絕勞動部的小金庫現在就要修正救安基金管理機制而部長你答應大家你當時允諾是一個月之後你會提其實時間差不多了 |
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我們一定會在一個月內提出就是一月到了呢對我們一定會在一個月內一定會提出什麼時候你告訴大家我先告訴你我的訴求我不知道你的改革內容有沒有比照這個第一個 |
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你的媒體宣傳費用大家剛剛已經聽到了勞動部跟衛福部天差地遠所以沒宣費用如果編到公務預算立法院逐筆審查就不會有你們這樣子浮邊爛邊的一個情況未來你的沒宣費是不是應該回歸公務預算來編列 |
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跟委員說明確實勞動部過去長期以來我們確實存在著我們其實有很多的經費的使用我覺得是過度依賴救安基金的狀況那這部分我覺得我們也會來跟行政院跟主計來爭取應該該回到公務預算的部分這部分我們會來跟行政院來爭取這件事情 |
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另外一個你們自己自設的五千萬以上計劃你的那個審核的門檻要不要下修跟文說明並不是五千萬才需要審核好像五千萬以下怎樣做都可以不是我們會在這個相關的計劃的用途上面做出更明確的把關 |
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我們幾個強化機制上面幾個大的方向第一個用途上面會做出明確的把關跟範定再來是一個在管理跟審查的機制要強化這裡面可能包括事前跟事後再來一個事情是關於資訊的部分 |
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那我說這幾個我剛剛看了委員其實提到的部分我覺得我們當然可以來考慮就是說我們因為我們現在是設了一個內控的機制是不是一定是只能五千萬有沒有可能下修這部分我們是可以我們可以但並不是五千萬以下完全不用審查並不是這個意思 |
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所以我要求你們每一項計畫,其實是使用救安基金,你的預算要想使編列,審計單位才可以監管。這都是我們接下來希望的方向。如果是公開透明,你們就應該要做到這樣。當然,這都是我們希望的方向。那你什麼時候,你要告訴大家你這個審核機制,什麼時候要公布?一個月真的快到了,部長。其實應該就是這個禮拜。 |
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就是這禮拜 禮拜五前公佈應該就是這禮拜好 禮拜五前公佈 對好 那另外一個我要問的是麥當勞打工少女輕生事件是這個事件其實凸顯最嚴重的是我們未成年人他打工的時候他可能對於自己的保護力是不足所以就更需要政府的機制來強化我們來保障他但是這個個案我們看了真的非常遺憾他是在麥當勞這麼大的一個 |
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企業體系裡面還發生他從性騷到被性侵這當中沒有得到一個適當的政府的力量的介入跟幫忙那我要問部長的是其實現在16到18歲打工的情況還是是有的 |
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那怎麼樣去確保這些未成年人16到18歲他們在職場是安全的你在今年的勞檢專案裡面你會不會針對這些未成年人他的職場安全你們有一個專案的勞檢計畫會不會去推動 |
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跟委員說明我們其實已經在規劃114年的專案勞檢裡面我們會擴大尤其是針對這個職場的性騷擾他的防治尤其是要提供可能假設被害人他一些心理諮商等等等事後這次也就是這次麥當勞沒有做到的事情我們會把它列為我們在114年的專案勞檢擴大專案勞檢裡面的重點項目 |
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對 我要求的是特別針對他有僱用16到18歲的這個企業場域當然 甚至我們都還希望未來在這個年輕人上面的勞動教育都必須要再加強因為你讓他們有相關的勞動意識相關的權利意識我覺得這也是非常重要的事情 |
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好 因為我覺得這個職場安全企業負起這個責任其實是蠻重要特別針對未成年人的保護我希望勞動部 這個洪部長你一直也很關心弱勢這些未成年人我希望你可以再花更多當然 我也打工過好 謝謝謝謝王委員 謝謝部長接下來請蘇清泉質詢 |