| IVOD_ID |
15861 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15861 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
院會-11-1-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期第11次會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
院會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期第11次會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-30T08:30:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-30T13:49:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
05:18:45 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8398b1826590a6099b06173aa2f04b7fad9f551ce5fa921f3be8d109af184be46db8ead2d862b17a5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第1會期第11次會議（事由：一、討論事項：本院國民黨黨團擬具「四零三震災重建條例草案」，請審議案等9案。
二、4月26日上午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。
三、4月30日下午5時至6時為處理臨時提案時間。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:15 - 13:49:00 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會。我們討論事項第五案電子簽章法修正草案。請宣讀審查報告。委員交通委員會於113年3月20日及113年4月15日舉行全體委員會議。由召集委員李關澤擔任主席進行審查。會衝邀請數位發展部部長唐鳳等列席提出送名批答或委員質詢。 |
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與會員與聽取報告及巡禮完畢後,即進行逐條審查。本案審查完畢,並按理據審查報告提報約會討論。約會討論前,不需加入黨團協商。約會討論時,由李召集委員坤澤補充說明,令通過附帶決議三項。宣讀完畢。請召集委員李委員坤澤補充說明。 |
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沒有補充說明本案經審查會決議不須再交由黨團協商請問院會有無異議沒有異議本案經審查會意見處理現在進行逐條討論電子簽章法請宣讀第一章第一章總則宣讀而畢照審查會章名通過請宣讀第一條 |
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第一條,為推動電子簽證之補給運用,確保電子簽證之安全,促進數位經濟智慧政府及數位服務之發展,特制定本法。司法程序不適用本法之規定者,由司法院或法務部公告之。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第二條。 |
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第二條本法用詞定義如下,依電子文件,指文字、聲音、圖片、影像、符號或其他資料以電子或其他以人之知覺、無法之間認識之方式所製成足以表示其用意之記錄而供電子處理之用者。 |
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二、電子簽章：指依附於電子文件並與其相關聯：用以辨識及確認電子文件簽署人身份：資格及電子文件證位者。三、數位簽章：屬於電子簽章之一種：只將電子文件以數學演算法或其他方式運算：為一定程度之數位資料：以簽署人之私密經要對其加密：形成電子簽章。 |
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等一公開經邀加以驗證．並據憑證機構簽發之憑證者．四、加密只利用數學遠算法或其他方法．將電子文件以亂碼方式處理．五、憑證機構只簽發憑證之機關法人．六、憑證 |
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只在有簽章驗證資料．用以確認簽署人身份資格之電子形式證明。．七、憑證實務作業基準．只由憑證機構對外公告．用以陳述憑證機構具以簽發憑證．及處理其他認證業務之作業準則。．八、資訊系統．只產生、送出、收受、儲存．或其他處理電子形式訊息資料之系統． |
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主管經問得公告具電子簽章效率之電子簽章技術並事實檢討。宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第三條第三條本法主管經問為數位發展部宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第二章第二章電子文件及電子簽章宣讀完畢 |
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2031.247 |
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照審查會章明通過,請宣讀第四條。第四條,電子文件及電子簽證符合本法規定者,在功能上等同於實體文件及簽證,不得僅因其電子形式而否認其法律效力。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第五條。 |
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第五條,文件及簽章之使用﹐等以電子文件及電子簽章為之﹐依法令規定應以書面為之者﹐其內容可完整呈現﹐並可於日後取出供查驗者﹐等以電子文件為之﹐依法令規定應簽名或蓋章者﹐等以電子簽章為之﹐前三項文件或簽章之使用﹐有相對人者﹐除相對人已同意採用電子形式外﹐ |
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因於採用電子形式之前﹐以合理期間及方式給予相對人反對之機會﹐並告知相對人為反對者推定同意採用電子形式﹐傾向之相對人得隨時表示停止採用電子形式﹐但其表示停止前﹐以依電子形式所謂之法律行為﹐其效力不受影響。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過請宣讀第6條 |
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照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第七條。 |
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第7條,依法令規定應提出文書原本或正本者﹐其內容可完全呈現﹐並可於之後取出公查驗者﹐等以電子文件為之﹐但應何對筆跡、印記或其他未辨識文書真未知必要﹐或法令另有規定者不在此限﹐其效所稱內容可完全呈現﹐不含以電子方式﹐發送、收受、儲存及顯示作業附加之資料訊息。宣傳完畢 |
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照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第八條。 |
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第8條,文書依法令規定應以書面保存者﹐如其內容可完全呈現﹐並可於日後取出公查驗者﹐得以電子文件為之﹐前項電子文件﹐得並同保存其方文體﹐收文體﹐網路協定位置﹐簽署歷程﹐日期﹐時間及其他注意驗證﹐鑑別電子文件﹐內容真位之﹐資料訊息。宣讀完畢。 |
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照審查會條文通過請宣讀第9條 |
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第九條電子文件以其進入發文者無法控制資訊系統之時間為發文時間但當事人另有約定或行政機關另有公告者從其約定或公告電子文件以下列時間為其收文時間但當事人另有約定或行政機關另有公告者從其約定或公告一、如收文者已指定收受電子文件之資訊系統者以電子文件進入該資訊系統之時間為收文時間 |
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照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第10條。 |
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第10條電子文件以發文者執行業務之地為發文地﹐收文者執行業務之地為收文地﹐但當事人另有約定或行政機關利用公告者﹐從其約定或公告﹐發文者或收文者有二個以上執行業務之地﹐以與主要交易或通信行為最密切相關之業務地為發文地或收文地﹐ |
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主要交易或通信行為不明者．以執行業務之主要地為發文地或收文地．發文者或收文者未有執行業務地者．以其住所為發文地或收文地．宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過請宣讀第11條 |
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第11條、第5條、第1項之第三項．第8條、第1項規定．等依法律派出其適用。行政機關得就第5條與第8條之應用技術．及程序令為公告．其公告應公平合理．並不得為無正當理由之差別待遇。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第三章。第三章是為簽章評證機構之管理。宣讀完畢。 |
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照審查會章名通過,請宣讀第12條。 |
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第12條,憑證機構應檢據憑證實務作業基準﹐在明憑證機構經營或提供認證服務之相關作業程序﹐送經主管機關許可後﹐使得提供簽發憑證服務﹐其憑證實務作業基準變更時一同。憑證機構應將經許可之憑證實務作業基準﹐公布在其機構式網站供公眾查詢﹐其憑證實務作業基準變更時一同。 |
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主管機關應公告憑證實務作業基準經許可之憑證機構名單與其憑證實務作業基準版四級許可文號。第一項憑證實務作業基準應在明下列示上﹐其各款具體內容由主管機關公告之。一、足以影響憑證機構所簽發憑證之可靠性或其業務執行之重要資訊。 |
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二、憑證機構進行廢紙憑證則是由．三、驗證憑證內容相關資料是留存．四、保護當事人個人資料之方法及程序．五、其他重要事項．宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過．請宣讀第13條。第13條。憑證機構於終止服務前應完全下列措施。一、於終止服務之日30日前通報主管機關。 |
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二、對終止當時人去效率之憑證安排其他憑證機構承接其業務。三、於終止服務之日30日前將終止服務及由其他憑證機構承接其業務之事實通知當事人。四、將檔案紀錄移交承接其業務之憑證機構。 |
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若無憑證機構依第一項第二款規定承接該憑證機構之業務﹐主管機關等安排其他憑證機構承接﹐主管機關與必要時﹐得公告廢止當時燃具效力之憑證。前項規定﹐與憑證機構依本法或其他法律﹐受勒令停業主犯者亦是永之。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第14條。 |
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第十四條,憑證機構對應其經營或提供認證服務之相關作業程序﹐指當事人受有損害﹐或是審議第三人應信賴該憑證而受有損害者應負賠償責任﹐但能證明其行為無過失者不在此限。憑證機構就憑證之使用範圍設有明確限制時﹐對逾越該使用範圍所生之損害﹐不負賠償責任。宣傳完畢。 |
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2475.131 |
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照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第14條。第15條 |
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第15條依外國法律組織登記之憑證機構在安全條件相當且符合國際外國技術對接合作原則下經主管機關許可其簽發之憑證與本國憑證機構所簽發憑證具有相同之效力前項許可之申請程序、審核方式、許可條件、廢止許可之適由及其他相關事項之分法由主管機關定之 |
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主管請問應公告經第一項許可持憑證機構名單。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第四章。第四章法則宣讀完畢。照審查會章名通過,請宣讀第16條。 |
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第十六條,憑證機構違反第十二條第一項前段規定,憑證實務作業基準未經主管機關許可而提供簽發憑證服務者,主管機關應令其限期改正,並得處新台幣一百萬元以上五百萬元相分還,藉其為改正者的案次處罰其情節重大者,並得庭審其一部或全部業務。宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過,請宣讀第十七條。 |
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第17條,憑證機構有下列情形之一者﹐主管機關應令其限期改正﹐並得除新台幣5萬元以上50萬元下發婚﹐藉其為改正者按次處罰﹐一,為依許可之憑證實務作業基準提供服務﹐二,違反第12條第一項後段規定﹐變更憑證實務作業基準未送許可﹐為依變更後事內容提供簽發憑證服務﹐宣讀完畢 |
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2585.803 |
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照審查會條文通過請宣讀第18條 |
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第18條,憑證機構有下令其行之一者﹐主管機關應令其限期改正﹐並得儲新台幣2萬元以上20萬元加分還﹐藉其為改正責案此處罰。一、違反第12條第二項規定﹐未於其機構網站公布經許可﹐或許可變更之憑證實務作業基準。二、違反第13條第一項第一款第三款或第四款規定﹐終止服務前未一線通知或未移交。 |
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宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過請宣讀第五章。第五章負責宣讀完畢。照審查會章名通過請宣讀第十九條。第十九條主管機會應定其搜集我國電子簽證之應用情形那裡國際法規與市場需求等相關調查或研究並每年公布之宣讀完畢。照審查會條文通過 |
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請宣讀第二十條。第二十條。本法修正施行前,行政機關依原第四條、第三項、第六條、第三項或第九條、第二項規定公告排除適用本法者。各該公告自本法修正施行之日起算一年後停止適用。但經主管機關同意者得轉言一次,轉言期間二年為限。宣讀完畢。 |
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照審查會條文通過：請宣讀第21條本法適行系則由中委員請問定之：宣讀完畢照審查會條文通過：請宣讀第22條本法自公布日施行：宣讀完畢報院會全案 |
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照審查會條文通過,報告院會全案經過二讀。現有民進黨黨團提議繼續進行三讀。請問院會有無異議?沒有異議,請宣讀經過二讀之條文。 |
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第一章總則第一條為推動電子簽裝之普及運用﹐確保電子簽裝之安全﹐促進數位經濟、智慧政府及數位服務之發展﹐特制定本法。司法程序不適用本法之規定者﹐由司法院或法務部公告之。 |
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第二條本法用詞定義如下﹐依電子文件﹐指文字、聲音、圖片、影像﹐符號或其他資料﹐以電子或其他以人知知覺﹐無法直接認識之方式﹐所製成足以表示其用意之記錄﹐而供電子處理之用者。 |
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二、電子簽章：指依附於電子文件並與其相關聯：用以辨識及確認電子文件簽署人身份：資格及電子文件證位者。三、數位簽章：屬於電子簽章這一種：只將電子文件以數學遠算法或其他方式運算為一定程度之數位資料： |
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以簽署人之私密經要對其加密．形成電子簽證．得以公開經要加以驗證．並據憑證機構簽發之憑證者．此加密．只利用數學演算法或其他方法．將電子文件以亂碼方式處理．五、憑證機構．只簽發憑證之機關法人． |
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六、憑證：指在有簽章驗證資料：用以確認簽署人身份資格之電子形式證明。七、憑證實務作業基準：指由憑證機構對外公告：用以陳述憑證機構具以簽發憑證及處理其他認證業務之作業準則。八、資訊系統：指產生、送出、收受、儲存或其他處理電子形式訊息資料之系統： |
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主管機關的公告具電子簽章效力之電子簽章技術並事實檢討。第三條本法主管機關為數位發展部第二章電子文件及電子簽章第四條電子文件及電子簽章符合本法規定者在功能上等同於實體文件及簽章不得僅因其電子形式而否認其法律效力。 |
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第五條,文件及簽章之使用﹐得以電子文件及電子簽章為之﹐依法令規定因引書面為之者﹐其內容可完整呈現﹐並可於日後取出公查驗者﹐得以電子文件為之﹐依法令規定因簽名或蓋章者﹐得以電子簽章為之﹐前三項文件或簽章之使用﹐有相對忍者﹐ |
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除相對人已同意採用電子形式外﹐應於採用電子形式之前﹐以合理期限及方式給予相對人反對之機會﹐並告知相對人為反對者推定同意採用電子形式﹐其向之相對人得隨時表示停止採用電子形式﹐但其表示停止前﹐以依電子形式所為之法律行為﹐其效力不受影響。 |
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第六條,以數位簽章簽署電子文件符合下列各款規定者推定為本人親自簽名或蓋章。一、使用經主管機關一第十二條或第十五條許可之憑證機構揭發之憑證。二、憑證位於有效期間及其使用範圍。 |
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第7條依法令規定應提出文書原本的或正版者﹐其內容可完全呈現﹐並敢於之後取出供查驗者﹐能以電子文件為之﹐但應何對筆記印記或其他未便是文書證位之必要﹐或法令另有規定者不在此限。前項所稱內容可完全呈現﹐不含以電子方式﹐發送、收受、儲存及顯示作業附加之資料訊息。 |
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第8條,文書依法令規定應以書面保存者﹐如其內容可完整呈現﹐並可於日後取出公查驗者﹐得以電子文件為之。前項電子文件﹐得並同保存其方文地﹐修文地﹐網路協定位置﹐簽署歷程﹐日期﹐時間及其他足以驗證﹐鑑別電子文件內容徵位之資料訊息。 |
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第9條電子文件以其進入發文者無法控制資訊系統之時間為發文時間,但當事人另有約定或行政機關另有公告者,從其約定或公告。電子文件以下列時間為其收文時間,但當事人另有約定或行政機關另有公告者,從其約定或公告。 |
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一、如收文者已指定收受電子文件之資訊系統者﹐以電子文件進入該資訊系統之時間為收文時間﹐電子文件如送至非收文者指定之資訊系統者﹐以收文者取出電子文件之時間為收文時間。 |
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二、收文者為指定收受電子文件之資訊系統者﹐以電子文件進入收文者資訊系統之時間為收文時間。第10條﹐電子文件以發文者執行業務之地為發文地﹐收文者執行業務之地為收文地﹐但當事人利用約定或行政機關利用公告者﹐從其約定或公告。 |
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發文者或收文者有二個以上執行業務之地,一域主要交易或通信行為最密切相關之業務地為發文地或收文地,主要交易或通信行為不明者以執行業務之主要地為發文地或收文地。發文者或收文者未有執行業務地者以其住所為發文地或收文地。 |
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第11條、第5條、第1項之第3項及第8條、第1項規定得依法律排除其適用。請證機關得出第5條與第8條之應用技術及程序定為公告,其公告應公平合理,並不得為無正當理由之差別待遇。 |
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第三章數位簽章憑證機構之管理第十二條憑證機構應檢據憑證實務作業基準﹐在名憑證機構經營或提供認證服務之相關作業程序﹐送經主管機關許可後﹐使得提供簽發憑證服務﹐其憑證實務作業基準變更時一同。憑證機構應將其經許可之憑證實務作業基準﹐ |
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公布在其機構之網站供公眾查詢,其憑證實務作業基準便跟誰異同。主管機關應公告憑證實務作業基準經許可之憑證機構名單與其憑證實務作業基準本次及許可文號, |
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第一項憑證實務作業基準應在明下列事項：其各款具體內容由主管機關公告之：一、足以影響憑證機構所簽發憑證之可靠性或其業務執行之重要資訊：二、憑證機構進行廢止憑證之事由：三、驗證憑證內容相關資料之留存：四、保護當事人個人資料之方法及程序：五、其他重要事項 |
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第13條,憑證機構於終止服務前應完全下列措施。一、於終止服務之日30日前通報主管機關。二、對終止當時人具下列之憑證安排其他憑證機構承接其業務。三、於終止服務之日30日前將終止服務及由其他憑證機構承接其業務之事時通知當事人。 |
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此將檔案記錄以交承接其業務之憑證機構﹐任務憑證機構依第一項第二款規定﹐承接該憑證機構之業務﹐主管機關等安排其他憑證機構承接﹐主管機關與必要時﹐得公告廢止當時人具效率之憑證﹐前項規定與憑證機構依本法或其他法律﹐受落令停業處分者亦是永之。 |
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第14條,憑證機構對應其經營或提供認證服務﹚至相關作業程序﹚至當事人受有損害﹚或至善意第三人應信賴該憑證﹚而受有損害者應負賠償責任﹚但能證明其行為無故使者不在此限﹚憑證機構就憑證之使用範圍﹚順有明確限制時﹚對逾約該使用範圍所生之損害﹚不負賠償責任。 |
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第15條依外國法律組織單期制憑證機構在安全條件相當﹐且符合國際戶外或技術對接合作原則下﹐經主管機關許可﹐其簽發制憑證與本國憑證機構所簽發憑證具有相同之效力﹐傾向許可之申請程序審核方式﹐許可條件廢止許可之適由﹐及其他相關事成之辦法由主管機關定之﹐ |
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主管機關應公告經第一項許可知憑證機構名單 |
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第四章 法則 第十六條 憑證機構違反第十二條第一項前段規定﹐憑證實務作業精準﹐為經主管機關許可﹐而提供簽發憑證服務者﹐主管機關應令其限期改正﹐並得處心台幣一百萬元以上五百萬元相反還﹐藉其為改正準案次處罰﹐其請結註納者﹐並得停止其一幕或全部業務。 |
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第17條,憑證機構有下令執行之一者﹐主管機關應領其限期改正﹐並得處新台幣5萬元以上50萬元相反還﹐藉其為改正者按次處罰﹐一、為依許可知憑證實務作業基準提供服務﹐二、為本第12條第一項後段規定﹐變更憑證實務作業基準未送許可﹐而依變更後制內容提供簽發憑證服務﹐ |
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第18條 評審機構有項鍊其嫌之一者﹐主管機關應令其限期改正﹐並得處新台幣2萬元以上20萬元相反還﹐藉其為改正者按次處罰﹐以違反第12條第二項規定﹐未於其機構網站公布經時刻﹐ |
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或許可變更之評證實務作業基準．二、違反第13條第一項第一管第三委或第四管規定．終止服務前為一線通報．為一線通知或問營銷。第五章 負責．第19條主管機關應定其搜集我國電子簽證之應用情形．分離國際返回與市場需求等相關調查或研究．並每年公佈之。 |
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第20條,本法修正施行前,行政機關依原第4條、第3項、第6條、第3項或第9條、第2項規定公告排除生用本法者﹐該公告自本法修正施行之日起算一年或停止生用﹐但經主管機關同意者得轉延一次﹐轉延期間二年為限。 |
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第21條本法設計系則由主管機關定制。第22條本法自公佈日施行。宣讀完畢。報告院會。三讀條文已宣讀完畢。請問院會有無文字修正。沒有文字修正。決議。電子簽章法。修正通過。 |
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現在我們處理附帶決議。請議事人員宣讀附帶決議之內容。通過附帶決議三項。一、司法院及法務部於電子簽章法三讀通過後兩個月內提出司法程序適用電子簽章之可行性評估報告並請數位發展部協助。 |
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數位發展部應積極協助與輔導各機關應應應電子簽章法修正之數位相關資源以利電子化政府之實現。三、針對偏鄉政府機關數位資源經費能力或條件不足請數位發展部予以協助。宣讀完畢請問議員會有無異議無異議我們決定照案通過請 |
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登記的立法委員一號葛如軍委員發言時間兩分鐘。 |
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還記得Nokia 3310嗎?那是台灣領先世界推出電子簽章法的年代。22年過去了,我們竟然成為世界上最後一個珍愛實體印章、重視實體簽名的地方。 |
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這一次電子簽章法能夠順利的在時隔22年以後第一次大幅的修正最後三讀通過非常感謝跨部會跨黨派的合作。2023年的12月當時我邀請我的好朋友鄉上農先生來錄製podcast他提到在臺灣要開公司必須要闖好多的關卡而且一定要本人實體闖關像玩大地遊戲一樣 |
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我們當時就有一個浪漫的想像阿宅能不能在國會裡頭稍微的改變現況能不能推動電子簽章盡快修法讓各部會一體適用改變政府繁瑣的行政流程也減輕公務人員的負擔 |
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我特別感動的是在法案審查的過程當中不只國民黨交通委員會的全體委員甚至包含了民進黨、民眾黨的委員也都列席發言大家不分藍綠白的共同合作通過我的修正動議本法修正後的緩沖期以一年為原則必要時經主管機關同意得展延兩年更加速扶國立民政策的推展 |
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接下來民眾一定就可以享受到智慧化政府導入電子簽章以後的便利,也期待藉由資通安全的提升能夠大幅的減少詐騙訊息的廣告以及他們帶來的危害,跨部會共同打詐防詐。回想4個月前這件事情是不可能的, |
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四個月後我們達成了期待未來共同努力推動更多扶國立民的法案。 |
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報告委員會,現在我們繼續進行討論事項第六案。本院台灣民眾黨黨團建請越會決議,邀請行政院院長就如何改善食品雲系統以及有效解決系統性食安問題等相關事宜進行專案報告並備詢議案。本案經第一會期第十次會議決議, |
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本案及修正動議並同交付黨團協商,並由臺灣民眾黨黨團負責召集協商,因上代協商作以下決議,協商後再行處理。 |
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報言會：現在討論事項第7案：到第9案：由黨團提出：請本席召集協商：現在請各黨團幹部：至議場3樓進行協商：現在休息。 |
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報告委員會現在繼續開會。本日程旭委員會召集委員吳委員忠憲表示今日程旭委員會開會時間延後至中午院會休息10分鐘後。 |
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於紅樓2014會議室召開。特此告知委員會。現在我們先處理朝野黨團協商結論。請議事人員宣讀。 |
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議法院黨團協商結論協商主題第11次院會討論事項第7案至第9案時間113年4月30日星期二上午9時30分地點一場三樓會議室協商結論一討論事項第7案至第9案院會進行處理時 |
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各案廣泛討論時由臺灣民眾黨黨團推派一人,民進黨黨團推派二人,國民黨黨團推派二人,輪流交叉發言,順序授權議事處處理,每人發言時間為三分鐘, |
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發言後依黨團所送修正動議版本先後順序進行各黨團版本之處理。僅處理修正動議並不處理再修正動議。主持人韓國瑜、江啟臣、協商代表、柯建銘、吳思堯、林思銘、吳春城、莊瑞雄、黃國昌、傅坤祺、侯孟凱、黃珊珊。宣讀完畢。報告院會,現在進行討論事項第七案。 |
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本院國民黨黨團建請院會決議立即停止調漲電價,並要求行政院責成相關部會即刻檢討現行能源政策,並提出因應對策與配套措施議案。本案 |
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經第一會期第十次會議決議、協商後再行處理,現在進行廣泛討論。由各黨團、各推派代表發言。每位委員發言時間3分鐘。第一位,我們請臺灣民眾黨黨團張委員齊凱發言。 |
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13785.021 |
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謝謝議長﹚各位日本人的同仁 |
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13802.008 |
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13826.796 |
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當天的拜五晚．台南的地檢署起訴立陽光電案．起訴15個人．包括．台南經發局的局長．就前置鬧得沸沸揚揚．接受性招待．喝花酒的陳凱玲．等15個人．更驚人的．起訴書高達600頁． |
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13831.377 |
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13859.817 |
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不法的利益不法的這個所得臺南地檢署出估超過91億2600萬涉案的人員從行政院的顧問一直到經濟部能源署的模範公務員一直到臺南的經發局的局長一條邊今天本席要請大家特別重視這個弊案的嚴重性 |
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13861.257 |
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13880.785 |
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以一個個案不法利益高達91億2600萬是檢察官估算的。更嚴重的光電案被起訴的案子已經超過60案。大家手上有電子計算機嗎?一個案子91億你超過60個案子乘下來5460億 |
| transcript.whisperx[93].start |
13888.834 |
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13916.153 |
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大家沒有聽錯不法所得如果是超過60個案子五千四百六十億好有些案子比較少稍微降一下不法所得至少超過一千億大家記得嗎這邊為什麼要漲電價經濟部跟行政要怎麼說漲完大家的電價物價跟著漲人民痛苦他說要補多少的電價六百億 |
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13919.861 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
13943.687 |
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所以政府是買了太貴的光電買出一堆的弊案導致臺電的虧損還要占人民的價格所以從這個個案我們要好好的檢討好好的檢討為什麼政府去買了這麼多太貴而且是弊案的光電所以今天民眾黨團特別提案我們現在要求前面緩帳 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].start |
13945.612 |
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13972.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
要求政府救整個能源的結構要求電價這個費率更重要的臺電到底買了多少電他的理由是什麼有沒有適度的節流為什麼買這麼多有弊案的光電把這些錢省下來人民根本不需要受到漲電之苦產業也不需要受到衝擊所以請各位委員能夠支持把 |
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台電漲價這個案子暫時返帳,送到經濟委員會,由經濟委員會前面來審查。審查通過...謝謝張祺凱委員的發言。接下來,請登記第二號,邱委員議員發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
14011.24 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
14032.066 |
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主席、各位立法院的同仁我們今天要來討論國民黨團跟民眾黨團分別起案的動漲電價的案子那我在這裡要提醒大家在野黨反對電價調漲在法律上是站不住腳的因為經濟部電價調整的程序 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].start |
14032.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
14044.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
完全是依循立法院之前的決議跟修訂的法律來制定。2015年1月20日立法院決議由電價倍率審議會來決定電價的調漲。兩年後電業法修訂的第49條明定電價調定的程序電價審議會於電價審議時必須評估多重的因素 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
14077.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
除了考量電價的成本以外﹚也要考量社會經濟狀況﹚物價穩定的情形﹚民生產業承受的程度﹚以及臺電虧損狀況等因素﹚省慎評估電價調整事宜。由於臺電在今年4月1號起實施電價調漲﹚也是依法來由電費審議會來決定經濟部的核定﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[100].start |
14085.396 |
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14101.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
如果臺電不遵照這樣的一個決議的內容進行,請問我們是不是反而會讓臺電造成違法?大家都知道這幾年來因為受到俄烏戰爭、國際燃料價格暴漲的影響, |
| transcript.whisperx[101].start |
14103.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
14119.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
發購電燃料成本大幅提高臺電雖然是國營事業藉由吸收燃料成本飆漲的這個費用來減緩民間通膨的壓力臺電連續兩年燃料成本高達6000億以上累計虧損已經增加到3826億元財務狀況已經日益嚴峻所以合理的電價調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].start |
14128.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
14137.888 |
| transcript.whisperx[102].text |
只是反映成本。剛剛民眾黨的委員在臺上說臺電到底買了多少電?花了多少錢來買電? |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
14140.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
14144.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
而且臺電的綠電政策是錯誤的我必須在這裡告訴大家2023年臺電在綠電的支出上是905億元僅佔他的總支出不到10%這些東西都在經濟委員會裡頭經過完整的報告以及完整的討論 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
14161.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
14181.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
所以我不曉得民眾黨的委員還要經濟部來說明什麼如果您現在還不清楚表示你在經濟委員會裡頭你根本沒有在開會如果你不了解臺電嚴重的虧損是因為燃料成本的上漲很顯然你對於整個臺灣的運作完全的不清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].start |
14181.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].end |
14210.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[105].text |
我懇請大院支持讓臺電適時的調漲電價﹖穩定民生的物資﹖甚至民進黨也照顧民生﹖我們對於農漁學校攝補團體的電價﹖我們是緩漲的﹖也請大家支持民進黨的提案。謝謝。謝謝邱毅英委員的發言。接下來我們請登記第三號副委員昆齊發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].start |
14236.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].end |
14243.353 |
| transcript.whisperx[106].text |
團結國民黨不要在這裡見風插針 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].start |
14247.301 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].end |
14272.455 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
院長、各位同仁、全國的各位鄉親我們今天站在這裡就是要為全民來把關一個貪污腐敗的政府在台南開了88槍接著再開10槍接著在當街槍殺所有不法的原因就是因為官商勾結的綠電在昨天正式來起訴 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].start |
14274.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].end |
14295.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[108].text |
臺南市政府不法圖利廠商近百億光一個政府而且是民進黨賴清德的故鄉圖利了將近百億給廠商這就是為什麼短短兩年期間各位全國的鄉親行政院從大家的口袋裡面拿了4500億 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].start |
14298.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].end |
14300.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
﹚三、4月30日下午5時至6時至6時至6時。﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[110].start |
14314.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
14332.009 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].text |
民進黨所提出的全面漲價案．電價漲．電價漲．所有的物價跟著漲．人民要怎麼過生活．多少人在生活線以下．但是呢．民進黨天天大魚大肉．官商勾結．動輒圖利百億．何謂綠電．綠電就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].start |
14337.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
14349.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
幫財團打開跟全民偷錢的荷包我們再一次的表達連330度電以下的最基本的民生用電現在都要全面的漲價未來物價大漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].start |
14352.432 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].end |
14377.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[112].text |
要如何讓基層的百姓來生活民進黨不斷說因為二五戰爭全世界物價大漲各位看一下這一張現在大家看到全世界國際的天然氣早就回到2021年的價格國際的再看到我們下面一張煤的價格也通通回到了2021年 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].start |
14379.52 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
14406.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
大漲之前你說因為這兩年惡霧戰爭臺電累歸3800億現在由人民的錢百姓的錢添補了4500億接下來你漲價的理由是什麼漲價理由就是為了準備未來關掉核電再跟全民基層的小小百姓來拿來圖利重大的財團來圖利民進黨這不法的政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].start |
14407.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].end |
14432.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[114].text |
所以我們再一次表達第三章現在到底從人民的荷包裡面偷走了多少錢第三章到現在為止已經向全國國人偷走了4500億就是為了民進黨的貪污我們再一次表達我們完全反對這個錯誤的政策危害全民電價不能漲就是不能漲 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].start |
14439.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].end |
14448.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[115].text |
謝謝傅坤祺委員的發言。接下來,我們請登記第4號,紅委員申翰發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].start |
14470.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
14474.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
好,那個戈壢白人同仁吼 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].start |
14475.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].end |
14500.852 |
| transcript.whisperx[117].text |
在這一個月的期間其實有超過30個環境的專業的NGO包括能源相關的團體還有超過50位以上專業的專家學者提出了連署這連署的內容是希望立法院可以要用公正跟專業的態度來處理電價的問題希望避免政治上面的操作所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].start |
14502.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
14526.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
這些來自民間來自學界的聲音是支持現在經濟部跟台電依法很重要我們是依法來調整來調漲電價我想大家都知道在無二戰爭之後其實全世界的能源價格燃料價格都在大漲這不是只是台灣面對的問題這是全世界都面對的問題 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
14528.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
14551.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
很多大幅使用核電的國家﹖他的帳幅不好意思還是比臺灣來得高得多得多所以如果調整能源價格﹖如果調漲電價就代表能源政策錯誤的話那我要說那代表全世界的能源政策都錯了每一個國家的能源政策都錯了是這樣嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[120].start |
14553.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].end |
14579.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[120].text |
當然不是那現在在野黨不斷開口閉口錯誤的能源政策我要跟大家說其實經過試算就算我們用2015馬政府那時候的能源配比來套上現在的燃料價格一樣發電成本是大幅的高於現在售價的定價的也就是一樣在2015年的時候即便核電的用 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].start |
14580.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].end |
14583.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[121].text |
我還要跟大家說按照現在如果按照在黨的提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].start |
14604.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].end |
14628.28 |
| transcript.whisperx[122].text |
不可以漲電價的話,誰最得利?對不起,用電大戶最得利。我們是用全民的台電的資產來補貼用電大戶。這根本就是劫貧濟富。難道這是在一檔希望的嗎?所以今天立法院我們在這個地方表決這案,我還是要強調,我們應該移持著公正跟專業的態度。如果 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].start |
14629.701 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].end |
14649.948 |
| transcript.whisperx[123].text |
該調整就調整但重點是我們依法調整但我們當然要照顧弱勢所以包括這些濃郁弱勢包括需要特別照顧的人我們可以朝野一起來要求台電要求經濟部要求相關的部會來給予協助這件事情我們朝野可以一起做但不要在店家議題上再做政治操作了謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].start |
14657.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].end |
14664.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[124].text |
謝謝洪森翰委員的發言。接下來,我們請登記第5號,洪委員孟凱發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].start |
14677.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].end |
14702.463 |
| transcript.whisperx[125].text |
錯誤的能源政策難道不應該有人負責嗎?民進黨代表剛剛口口聲聲講說要用專業專業專業我們就是要專業就是要好好的請現在執政的民進黨政府檢討一下過去錯誤的能源政策調整錯誤的能源政策把過去你們口口聲聲所講台電的長電給找出來十年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].start |
14703.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].end |
14720.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[126].text |
我們要問一下從2013年民進黨在野時候就宣稱臺電有長電到現在找到了沒有為什麼每一次在電價調漲的時候都故意的把這樣相關的成本給轉嫁全國民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].start |
14721.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].end |
14736.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[127].text |
再者今天民進黨提出了再修正動議就是這個再修正動議恰恰說明了過去沒有秉持專業沒有尊重電價審議委員會是誰就是政治力介入的民進黨政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].start |
14737.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].end |
14748.393 |
| transcript.whisperx[128].text |
你們的說明就寫得很清楚在11年跟12年臺電平穩物價而吸收燃料價格趨漲承受巨額虧損所以過去為什麼在選舉時間選舉前就可以不漲電價 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].start |
14753.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].end |
14778.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[129].text |
選完了不用再選票了就馬上要轉嫁電價尤其在現在這個時候剛好又是物價全面要上漲的時候現在再把電價加上去不就是讓全國人民受苦受害受累受傷嗎所以我們要問到底誰不尊重專業就是過去執政8年的民進黨政府再者 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].start |
14779.116 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].end |
14804.355 |
| transcript.whisperx[130].text |
如果說今天這個議案那麼重要的話我們在4月24號上個禮拜三4月26號上個禮拜五都有黨團召開的草野協商憑什麼國民黨團派代表出席民眾黨團派代表出席就只有你民進黨團沒有任何人出席這不是傲慢什麼才是傲慢這不是不關心人民什麼才是不關心人民所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].start |
14805.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].end |
14815.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[131].text |
今天我們很務實的提出來就是要求現在執政的民進黨政府面對你們錯誤的能源政策好好的向國人說明清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].start |
14816.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].end |
14839.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[132].text |
二零二一年是國際油價最高的時候二零二二年是國際天然氣價格最高的時候現在二零二四年趨勢已經趨緩趨勢已經下降拿明朝的劍來找清朝的官拿以前的上漲價格在講說現在要調漲電價根本就是本末倒置邏輯不同所以我們更要說 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].start |
14840.923 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].end |
14858.314 |
| transcript.whisperx[133].text |
現在要說節能減碳但是民進黨的策略就是火力全開八成的發電都是火力發電這不是開倒車什麼是還是開倒車呼籲等一下表決的時候請全國人看清楚誰不支持動長誰就是全民的公敵謝謝 |
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14866.847 |
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14877.847 |
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謝謝洪孟楷委員的發言。報告院會現在依朝野協商結論進行處理。請議事人員宣讀各黨團版本。 |
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14879.912 |
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14891.578 |
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民進黨黨團修正動議．本月民進黨黨團針對本次會議討論事項第7案．擬具修正動議如下．建請院會作成決議．電價調整系依電業法鎖定．由電價費率審議會決議予以調整．並決議動長濃於學校及社福團體電價． |
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14900.522 |
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14928.33 |
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行政院應責全相關部會﹐滾動檢討現行能源政策﹐並提出因應對策與配套措施﹐以兼顧人民生計﹐維持供電穩定﹐及臺電公司之正常營運。國民黨黨團提案本院國民黨黨團為避免物價因電價調整﹐民生痛苦指數飆升﹐因此反對臺電公司調整電價﹐建請院會作成決議﹐立即停止調整電價﹐ |
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並要求行政院責全相關部會即可檢討現行能源政策並提出因應對策與配套措施以兼顧人民生計維持供電穩定及臺電公司之正常營運是否有當進行公決。宣讀完畢報告委員會現在按鈴7分鐘並分發表決卡請議事人員分發表決卡現在開始按鈴 |
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報告委員會本案表決順序為一、民進黨黨團修正動議。二、國民黨黨團提案。依序進行表決後,如果其中有任何一案通過,即不再進行處理其他案。 |
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15410.638 |
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15417.947 |
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現在表決民進黨黨團修正動議現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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15436.032 |
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五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、 |
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15479.64 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].end |
15485.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[141].text |
韓國瑜主席 |
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15500.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[142].end |
15503.914 |
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民進黨黨團表決結果出席108人、贊成50人、反對58人、贊成者少數。民進黨黨團修正動議不通過。 |
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15521.324 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].end |
15528.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[143].text |
報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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15561.616 |
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三、4月30日下午9時至10時為國是論壇時間。）請審議案等9時至10時為國是論壇時間。）請審議案等9時至10時為國是論壇時間。 |
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15608.273 |
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15617.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[145].text |
報告委員會現在宣布重複表決投票結果出席108人贊成50人反對58人贊成者少數民進黨黨團修正動議案不通過 |
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15629.093 |
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15641.696 |
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報告院會現在進行國民黨黨團提案現有民進黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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15662.381 |
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15668.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[147].text |
響鐘 |
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15699.112 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].end |
15714.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].text |
五零零零零零零零零零零零零零零零 |
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15717.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[149].end |
15742.815 |
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報告院會現在出席人數109位贊成59位反對50位報告院會贊成者多數報告院會現由民進黨黨團提議要求重複表決現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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15761.552 |
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五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、 |
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15794.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
15820.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
國會議員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
15821.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
15848.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
現在宣布重複表決結果出席109人贊成59人反對50人贊成者多數本案照案通過做如下決議立即停止條帳電價並要求行政院責成相關部會 |
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15850.225 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
15877.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].text |
即刻檢討現行能源政策．並提出因應對策與配套措施．以兼顧人民生計．維持供電穩定．及臺電公司之正常營運。報告院會現在討論事項第八案 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
15878.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].end |
15889.448 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].text |
本院台灣民眾黨黨團建請院會決議,要求經濟部針對台灣整體能源政策, |
| transcript.whisperx[155].start |
15892.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
15911.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
電價匯率調整結構及臺電相關各項支出及尊潔措施．向本院經濟委員會提出全面檢討報告以案．本案經第一會期第10次會議決議協商後再行處理． |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
15923.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].end |
15948.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].text |
現在進行廣泛討論由各黨團推派代表發言每位委員發言時間3分鐘首先請張委員齊凱發言請各位委員就位維持議場次序謝謝請張委員齊凱發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].start |
15963.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].end |
15991.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[157].text |
主席各位同仁因為我們剛好漂亮的經濟委員會的召委沒有苦民所苦沒有感受到4月1號電價上漲以後帶動的物價上漲帶來的問題還有衝擊到我們的產業我們要問人民的苦民進黨立委沒有感受到嗎所以本席第二次上臺發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
15993.322 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].end |
16018.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
台灣民眾黨不是反對綠電民眾黨反對的是買的太貴還買出一堆弊案的綠電一個台南八十八槍的利養案不法所得不利所得超過九十一億我們要問民進黨的立法委員民進黨的立法委員你們沒有想要知道真相嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].start |
16020.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].end |
16042.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[159].text |
你們沒有想要把這個不利守得、不好守得把它降低,讓台電不要賠錢,讓人民不要漲電價嗎?民進黨的同仁們,你們有感受到人民的痛苦,產業受到衝擊,你們真的不想知道立洋案的真相嗎?不想把錢省下來,讓台電不要虧損,不要漲人民的電價嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[160].start |
16045.197 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
16072.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
現在人民從剩下的、從脫口是什麼?四月一號漲完電價以後到處停電、跳電光是4月16日開始的6天桃園市有10個地區跳電跟停電戶數超過3萬戶大家想過他們生活上帶來的不便嗎?臺北市、東區、南港停電、跳電 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
16074.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].end |
16093.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
新版的本局跳電停電,連台南因為松鼠,不曉得第二號還是第三號,會跳電停電。被你佔的電價,你的韌性電網到哪裡去了?不應該在經濟委員會報告嗎?所以民眾黨,苦民所苦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
16095.046 |
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16122.837 |
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明確的提案,要求經濟部到經濟委員會來,針對立洋案還有所有的弊案,包括臺電為什麼虧損累累,進行一個經濟模,每年都可以交給國庫,一百億、兩百億,為什麼現在漲電價的同時讓人民虧損這麼多,連弊案都不查清楚呢?剛剛我們美麗的召集委員,經濟委員召集委員, |
| transcript.whisperx[163].start |
16125.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].end |
16147.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[163].text |
說民眾黨不知道真相我們現在要問的是民進黨的立法委員知道立行案的真相了嗎知道了60個光電案起訴以後真相你們不想知道嗎不想把錢省下來嗎所以我們明確的要求請經濟部到經濟委員會來做報告沒有把真相 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].start |
16164.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].end |
16170.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[164].text |
謝謝張祺凱委員的發言。接下來我們請登記第二號賴委員瑞龍發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].start |
16179.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[165].end |
16199.275 |
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謝謝主席、各位委員。我想自2019年新冠肺炎爆發以來,那全球的經濟都經歷了一波波的衝擊。包括疫情後所產生的生產跟獲益的壓力,包括二屋戰爭導致的全球的糧食跟能源的價格飆漲,還有以壓衝突跟進一步的推升了整個全球能源供應。 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
16202.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
16223.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
台灣在這樣的狀況下其實表現還是非常的亮麗不僅頂住了主要國家所面臨的通膨上的問題同時間經濟還逆勢成長四年來台灣的經濟成長率居亞洲四小龍之首同時間有亮麗的成績當世界各國電力都調漲都在面對到國際能源價格上漲的問題的同時 |
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16224.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].end |
16239.394 |
| transcript.whisperx[167].text |
⋯⋯ |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
16239.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
16253.401 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
短短的兩三年來的這樣累積的巨額虧損也導致了臺電重大的一個危機啦齁臺電的虧損就是國家的虧損就是人民的虧損齁所以我想負責任的國會負責任的政府一定要來面對這個問題來解決這個問題 |
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16255.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
16271.557 |
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台電有1500萬戶,其中700萬戶是用電的大戶,占了全部電力的三分之一。那如果按照現行的電價調整方案的話,耗電的產業的大戶能夠負擔的更多,他們也有能力負擔的比較多。所以我們認為應該支持這些專業的方案,來讓台電讓國家永續發展。 |
| transcript.whisperx[170].start |
16276.661 |
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16282.946 |
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那相對的在民生用電我們只微微的調漲了908萬戶占68%條幅3%這也是希望能夠維繫住排電的營運下能夠減低對民生的衝擊對物價的波動那我們還是要強調 |
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16293.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].end |
16307.048 |
| transcript.whisperx[171].text |
政府全力的來顧弱勢顧公益顧農民顧漁民所以我們的弱勢的不調漲我們的農漁業的也不調漲我們的學校的也不調漲就是希望秉持的照顧弱勢的這樣原則 |
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16308.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].end |
16325.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[172].text |
那過去以來電力調不調漲常常形成政治的問題所以我們在了104年也通過希望專業考量減少政治干預104年通過電價調漲機制在106年也入法這就希望朝野各政黨不要為了電力調不調電價而為了這邊政治紛擾 |
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16329.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].end |
16329.928 |
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謝謝各位,拜託各位。 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
16360.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].end |
16385.137 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].text |
謝謝賴瑞隆委員的發言接下來我們請登記第三號林委員私名發言主席各位委員我想今天在這邊真的要鄭重的呼籲民進黨政府 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].start |
16387.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
16388.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
電價上漲萬物齊漲,動漲電價苦民所苦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].start |
16392.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].end |
16419.841 |
| transcript.whisperx[176].text |
我想蔡政府執政8年以來．電價的漲幅比例高達35%．事實上電價漲幅最高的政府．諷刺的是在2016年．當時還是總統候選人的蔡英文．強調民進黨的電價策略．是以基本的度數不漲價為原則．就算要調整電價．也會考慮物價和一般人的負擔能力． |
| transcript.whisperx[177].start |
16420.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].end |
16434.714 |
| transcript.whisperx[177].text |
尤其對我們民生用電的小戶絕對沒有調漲的計畫。現在看起來蔡政府完全是私信於民毫無誠信的欺騙我們臺灣人民。 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].start |
16436.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].end |
16458.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[178].text |
經濟部的電價審議委員會決議4月起調漲我們的平均電價條幅大約11%．而我們國民黨在4月2日立即在程序委員會提出要動漲電價．並要求行政院檢討現行的能源政策．並提出配套的措施。 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].start |
16459.485 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].end |
16478.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
但是我們看到民進黨的委員竟然全體一致的反對。連將此案列入院會討論都反對。再也說一套執政做一套。民服其實的就是執政就換了腦袋。 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
16480.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
16505.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
蔡政府固守非核家園的省主牌卻提不出良好的能源政策,錯誤的能源政策造成牌店的虧損連連。人民以及我們產業界人心惶惶,這種情況到底何時能夠結束?民進黨政府何時能夠讓人民以及我們的企業界安心的用電? |
| transcript.whisperx[181].start |
16506.482 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].end |
16530.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[181].text |
我想剛剛民進黨表示說他們會對於弱勢的這個用電戶會動漲但是我們要告訴民進黨政府的是電價上漲會導致萬物起漲不是說你動漲弱勢戶就不會造成我們整個臺灣人民生活痛苦指數的增加 |
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我講我們央行的升息房貸增加,餐飲業的小吃店的成本增加,甚至油價也蠢蠢欲動。而我們國內產業界包含即將宣布兩座先進封裝廠落腳在嘉義科學園區的台積電,以及相關的科技產業都已經提早開始部署相關的 |
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謝謝林思明委員的發言接下來我們請登記第5號第4號蔡委員議員發言 |
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主席、各位同仁那我們在這裡討論電價的問題我們知道這是一個不得不為的一個決定因為整個烏俄戰爭的影響我們的購煤的成本所謂所有的成本提高 |
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現在每一年都高達了6000萬以上所以這麼高的一個成本之外我們要面對的如何穩定物價這個都是整體的通盤考量如果以這幾年來購買的成本高達了這麼高的一個金額換算到了2015年的時候當時的火力發電大概佔了八成一樣要到 |
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一樣的購煤成本是5800億一樣是超出臺電的整體預算所以我們面對的成本的提高我們面對的這樣的狀況才去做了電價的一個調漲而且這個調漲我們充分的去考量到了不管是住宅他在700度以下的他的條幅不到5%在5%以下所以他的月增金額也不到100塊80八塊 |
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如果是小店家,他的用電的度數在1500度以下,這個比例差不多84%,他的調幅也不到5%。所以他的用電增加的金額大概在200塊左右。真正會去調漲的是這個正在成長的用電大戶。所以你如果用5億度以上的,他就15%。你到了150億度的,大概就是像台積電,這個是25%。那同樣的,針對使用的人比較少的, |
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它的網路資料中心就是這個機器在運算的它大概是在0.5億度的時候才會到15%在3億度的時候才會到25%所以這充分的證明說未來我們台灣要有充足的電力因為電力就是我們國力的一個展現而且我們最好的能源政策就是綠電的一個政策我們知道全世界已經通過了RE100 |
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對於全世界產業的全球佈局他們都要用100%的綠電所以台積電他也宣誓了從2050年要達到R1-100的要求他提早10年 |
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包括紅海公司也跟進要在2040年一樣要到達R1-100的一個要求所以我們事實上都很清楚的知道包括國民黨包括民眾黨你們很推崇的郭台銘董事長也對外說現在韓國晉升的一個比較劣勢的地方就是他們沒有辦法符合到R1-100的要求 |
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這個是郭台銘董事長所對外講的所以如果這樣講的話民進黨我們走向綠電是完全符合全世界淨零碳排的趨勢我們是走在一條正確的路上所以請大家在電力調漲的時候我們有所犧牲但是我們台灣會得到更多謝謝 |
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謝謝蔡易瑜委員的發言。接下來我們請登記第5號王委員宏威發言。 |
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主席還有各位同仁今天我們討論非常重大的問題就是我們必須要幫我們人民發聲在昨天主計處公布了最新的財富差距報告前20%跟後20%的財富差距竟然高達66.9倍 |
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大家想想看我們現在有多少的民眾他們事實上他們的所得收入他們的財富收入遠遠不足今天我們在現場大家因為過了午餐時間大家在吃便當但是大家想到了嗎有多少在做便當的餐飲業服務業還有我們的很多的小老百姓在想著當電價上升的時候他們多麼的辛苦 |
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如果今天我們身為民意代表﹖我們只有黨意﹖但是我們忽略民意﹖這絕對是人民不能接受的。剛才特別談到我們的能源政策有沒有錯誤﹖我想請問大家 |
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因為我們現在的執政黨死抱住反核神主牌,死抱住2025一定要達到非核家園,所以台電他一度電發電成本3塊5,結果我們現在用了很多的光電一度電超過4塊, |
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我們很多的風電一度電超過6塊請問一下這樣子的一個發電成本結構臺電不虧損才怪而錯誤的能源政策為什麼要讓我們老百姓付出代價呢? |
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我想請問一下在這樣的能源政策之下臺電竟然在調度電的時候一度電要用12塊來跟民間買電請問一下這不是錯誤的能源政策什麼是錯誤的能源政策我沒有想到到現在民進黨的立委繼續在這邊狡辯說錯能源政策沒有錯誤 |
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另外,我們發展一個風電光電的過程裏面有沒有弊案呢?剛才很多委員都提到最近被起訴的麗陽能源它的暴力是多少?它的暴力是超過90多億元。想想看一般老百姓90幾億是什麼樣的天文數字?然後我請教一下 |
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立陽能源的負責人谷聖輝﹖他是不是民進黨員﹖他是不是小英之友會的成員幹部﹖是啊﹖所以當你談能源政策﹖當你要調民眾的店家的時候﹖請問一下﹖民進黨有道歉嗎﹖有為能源政策道歉嗎﹖有為你的黨員﹖你的幹部﹖涉入這樣的光電弊暗﹖ |
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謝謝王宏威委員的發言。報告委員會現在我們進行處理。請議事人員宣讀各黨團版本。 |
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民進黨黨團修正動議本院民進黨黨團針對本次會議討論事項第一方案．具修正動議如下．建請院會作審決議．要求經濟部針對臺灣整體能源政策．電價費率結構及臺電公司相關各項支出及尊嚴措施．向本院經濟委員會提出全面檢討報告．電價調整應依照電業法所定之電價費率審議會決議辦理 |
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臺灣民眾黨立法院黨團修正動議,照原提案文字通過。選舉完畢。報告委員會本案表決的順序為一 |
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民進黨黨團修正動議。二、台灣民眾黨黨團修正動議。依序進行表決後,如果其中有任何一案通過,我們即不再處理其他案件。 |
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現在表決民進黨黨團修正動議現有民進黨黨團及臺灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決我們記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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響鐘 |
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報告委員會現在報告表決結果出席108人贊成50人反對58人贊成者少數民進黨黨團修正動議不通過報告委員會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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響鐘 |
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報告院會現在宣布重複表決結果出席108人贊成50人反對58人贊成者少數民進黨黨團修正動議不通過 |
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報告委員會現在表決臺灣民眾黨黨團修正動議。現有民進黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決。記名表決時間一分鐘。現在開始。 |
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報告院會現在宣布表決結果出席108人贊成58人反對50人贊成者多數報告院會現有民進黨黨團提議要求重複表決現在我們進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告委員會現在報告重複表決結果出席108人贊成58人反對50人贊成者多數照台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過做如下決議要求經濟部針對台灣整體能源政策電價費率 |
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結構及臺電相關各項支出及遵截措施．向本院經濟委員會提出全面檢討報告．並經本院經濟委員會審議通過前．電價全面緩漲． |
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現在我們進行討論事項第9案本院臺灣民眾黨黨團建請月會決議 |
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要求民進黨執政的行政院履行政治承諾立即停止在章濱工業區新建金鼎焚化爐以案。本案經第一會期第十次會議決議協商後再行處理。現在 |
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我們進行廣泛討論由各黨團派代表發言每位委員發言時間3分鐘首先我們請黃委員國昌發言 |
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院長、本院委員去年台灣民眾黨黨團接到了來自非常多彰化鄉親的陳情他們反對在彰化這個農業大縣當中目前已經有了9座焚化爐他們沒有辦法接受在全國焚化爐密度最高的農業大縣彰化縣竟然 |
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還要再設置焚化爐。去年台灣民眾黨黨團接下了這份陳情。這份陳情書也到了我們的主席柯文哲主席的手上。我們那個時候簽署了對於彰化環團莊嚴的承諾。 |
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我們不會同意我們絕對反對在彰化繼續搞焚化爐而也正是在去年的時候民主進步黨總統府秘書長林佳龍跑去彰化參加百工百業的信賴之友會的時候說說要在彰化 |
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蓋焚化爐這件事情是抹黑要在彰化蓋焚化爐這件事情是假訊息要求大家不要再傳遞這個假訊息不要再抹黑同樣的行政院的副院長鄭文燦也跑到彰化去說要蓋焚化爐是抹黑 |
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沒有要蓋行政院不會蓋結果投票結束了以後有關於金鼎焚化爐新建的立場在經濟委員會當中我請教經濟部部長王美花根本沒有跟動過還是繼續的在往前進展這個叫做什麼這個叫做選前騙票 |
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選後跳票選前騙票選後跳票而民進黨在面對自己的行政官員自己的行政院副院長所做出來承諾的時候指控台灣民眾黨是用戰機力介入行政程序手段我完全聽不懂 |
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這件事情不算是你們行政院副院長鄭文燦承諾的嗎?四月22日環團進去總統府以後出來發表一樣的聲明請民進黨政府履行承諾謝謝謝謝黃國昌委員的發言接下來我們請登記第二號陳委員秀寶發言 |
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響鐘 |
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金鼎焚化爐案是彰化縣政府從108年開始就多次表達處理事業廢棄物的困境而經濟部為了協助彰化縣來妥善處理事業廢棄物及污泥因此規劃在彰濱工業區來新建焚化爐以避免廢棄物無法去化造成環境污染的問題本案在109年由金鼎綠能科技公司得標 |
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經典縫號爐設置是依法律規定的與程序來處理．並且通過環評並無異議．為其施工前說明會辦理的方式並未符合規範．使有違程序正義也引起了民眾的爭議． |
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本席也一直都要求金鼎公司應該積極與民眾溝通並依法重新召開說明會讓在地的民眾有表達意見的機會來取得共識本案目前處於停工狀態彰化縣環保局也曾公開說金鼎設置焚化爐對彰化縣來說並無設置的必要性 |
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章化縣政府對本案持反對的立場﹚也不歡迎為依法執行及欠缺程序正義的開發行為﹚因此本席呼籲經景公司一定要依法執行與完善相關的程序﹚而章化縣政府合法建造與施工許可時﹚也應該依法依程序來辦理不能放水﹚另外 |
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經濟部後續也應該依照合約的要件檢討本案是否有繼續推動的必要性並處理後續的工作。最後本席認為金鼎案在兼顧地方與環境的議題,絕不能以政治手段由立法院來表決。 |
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應該將由在地的民意與專業來決定。今頂案一定要依法行政,依正當的法律程序來處理。以上,謝謝。謝謝陳秀寶委員的發言。接下來,我們請登記第三號羅委員志強發言。 |
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誠信政治就從今天開始我支持民眾黨今天的提案除了環保因素之外更重要的是鄭文燦踹共 |
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你憑什麼當初選前你代表民進黨中央政府信誓旦旦承諾這個彰化的金頂焚化爐不會蓋現在怎麼樣選完就跑啦我知道啦民進黨說謊當飯吃啦騙票當飯吃啦所以沒有關係啦 |
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選舉說一套選後說一套所以沒關係今天就從民眾黨的提案開始啊我們來落實誠信政治啊不要把選舉講的話都當空氣一樣講完就結束了誠信政治就從今天開始 |
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我也要請我們蔡英文總統說要卸任了十年不大漲電價的承諾怎麼樣?買到棺材去啊?搞一堆護航的民進黨在這邊幹什麼?要不要出來解釋一下什麼叫十年不大漲電價? |
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馬英九八年漲價二十幾趴被你們民進黨罵到豬狗不如蔡英文八年漲了三十幾趴你們就是英明神武話都民進黨講的啦我今天要告訴大家前面兩項表決 |
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不管是國民黨、民眾黨都是代表全國深受漲電價之苦、物價沸騰之苦、貧富差距之苦、貪官污吏、圖利之苦的所有民眾狠狠地刪了民進黨八個耳光、表決八次全部讓你們輸 |
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更重要的是,民進黨,你們今天自己要去做修正動議,要來搞突襲,準備也充足一點嘛,搞了半天還跑一票,上次跑一個吳秉瑞,對不對,是倒戈,今天好一點點啦,是跑得要不見蛋而已啦。我要跟各位講,今天在野黨在這裡展現決心,就是我們選擇站在民眾這一邊。 |
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民進黨要漲可以你把台南光電案那90億民進黨給吐出來人家說錯誤的政策比貪污更可怕你們民進黨是錯誤的政策包括貪污開路啦因為你們用的所謂非核家人政策平除掉一度電一塊錢的核能然後呢搞到今天全台大學店還要用12塊來去買電 |
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一塊到十二塊搞成這個德性,電價能不漲嗎?然後台電不關的虧錢政府撥補四千多億,雲報賺飽飽啊,綠油有賺飽飽啊,不要當民眾是笨蛋。今天我們站在這邊就是為民眾把關,創作政策,民進黨你自己買單,謝謝。 |
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謝謝羅志強委員的發言。接下來我們請登記第4號侯委員生漢發言。 |
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各位立法院的同仁我們現在在第9案討論章濱工業區的金鼎的焚化爐案我想我們先回到事實面金鼎公司在依照環評召開施工說明取得建造前其實就已經違法施工了所以這也是為什麼引發章化地區居民抗議跟反對很重要的原因 |
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再來後來在召開的說明會上面經理公司也找了黑衣人來佔據會議室然後沒有提供地方居民公平的發言的機會這也被環境部認知為這說明會不具合法的效力也因為這樣所以目前為止其實經理公司是違反合約的 |
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再來經營公司也沒有依照合約要在新建期的滿6個月之內能夠開工能夠成功的開工這個部分經營公司也是違反合約的所以我想民進黨的態度很清楚我們一樣要處理經營這一案但我們是希望依照在合約內經營具體違反合約的事由來去處理來去檢討 |
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中止合約而不是用政治的語言政治的做法我想這反而是在幫金鼎過去一段時間的違法事實來卸責我想這是很清楚的在這個部分我們其實跟民眾黨要處理金鼎的態度是一致的但在做法上面 |
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經鼎過去的作為就是違法違約他本來有他該承擔的責任如果現在反而我們按照民眾黨的做法來終止合約的話這反而可能幫經鼎 |
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謝責反而讓金鼎不用承擔責任反而變成是經濟部要來承擔國賠造成後續更大訴訟上面的風險所以在這邊我認為在金鼎這一案不用陷入政治攻防我們一樣要處理我們一樣認同在彰化這個地方不應該再承擔這麼多的焚化爐只是我們能夠依合約 |
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謝謝洪森漢委員的發言接下來我們請登記第5號羅委員庭委發言 |
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好 謝謝我想剛剛聽到有立法委員特別有提到金鼎宜案有違法違約就所有的百姓來知道既然有違法違約為什麼不當機立斷趕緊終止合約這是人民所恐慌所擔憂的如果民進黨擔心 |
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他自己的錯誤政策應該要趕快亡羊補牢而不是等到民眾黨來提這樣子的相關案由國民黨來一起支持的時候這時候才來表態說要來支持民眾黨我想已經太慢人民已經沒辦法信任才會交由我們這些立法委員在立法院來為他們發聲來為彰化來努力 |
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我是彰化女婿。我住在台中。我更擔心彰化的空氣汙染影響的不只是在地人,更會影響著我們居住在旁邊的台中市。所以我們今天站出來為這個案子一起來發聲。 |
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另外我也一定要特別提到第7案錯誤的能源政策還有所謂的動漲電價這是全民所托我們今天來到立法院發聲我們也一再的呼籲現在的執政黨不要再一直說國際的燃料上漲我們再一次舉出以一個月以前的資料可以看到煤價為例 |
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2022年3月煤價每公噸因為惡霧戰爭漲到422美元而一個月前的資料現在每公噸約134美元以天然氣惡霧戰爭最高每單位要價42.39元現在一個月前的資料是8.15美元 |
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原有也都一樣所以事實擺在眼前而如今我們卻看到民進黨不斷的說謊今天我要跟大家說民進黨在野的時候會告訴大家官逼民反而民進黨執政的時候會告訴大家依法行政我更要在這邊特別幫這一家公司工商一下 |
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雲報已經申請上市了。 2024年3月15日申請上市。 2024年3月21台股上漲最高20199點。 |
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股市上萬點上兩萬點你不喜歡嗎我想問問全國的百姓有多少人購入了雲豹的股市股價更有多少人因為這一波漲價而受害我來自基層我們家裡是小吃業不要再告訴我們這些小吃業者漲價沒漲多少要漲去漲工業大戶我們絕對支持但是我們一定要為民發聲 |
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方院會現在進行處理。請議事人員宣讀各黨團版本。民進黨黨團修正動議本院民進黨黨團針對本次會議討論事項第9案,理據修正動議如下,建請院會作成決議,經頂焚化爐之興建,以因違反提前動工及施工前說明會辦理方式違反環評法令規定, |
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．引發民眾抗爭不斷．致以於其為興建．可能構成重大違約情勢．經濟部應應契約違約條款規定．檢討終止契約。臺灣民眾黨立法院黨團修正動議．照原提案文字通過。宣讀完畢。 |
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本案表決順序為一、民進黨黨團提出修正動議。二、臺灣民眾黨黨團修正動議。依序進行表決後,如果其中有任何一案通過,其不再處理其他案子。 |
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現在表決民主進步黨所提修正動議現有民進黨黨團臺灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決記名表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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報告委員會現在宣布重複表決結果出席107人贊成49人反對58人 |
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因此贊成者少數。民進黨黨團修正動議不通過。現在表決臺灣民眾黨黨團修正動議。現有民進黨黨團、臺灣民眾黨黨團要求記名表決。記名表決時間一分鐘。現在開始。 |
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議員議員議員 |
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報告院會現在報告表決結果出席106人贊成58人反對48人報告院會現有民進黨黨團提議重複表決現在進行重複表決時間一分鐘現在開始 |
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響鐘響鐘響鐘響鐘響鐘響鐘 |
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三、4月30日下午5時至10時為處理臨時提案時間。．三、4月30日下午5時至10時為處理臨時提案時間。．三、4月30日下午5時至10時為處理臨時提案時間。．三、4月30日下午5時為處理臨時提案時間。． |
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報告院會現在報告重複表決結果出席106人贊成58人反對48人贊成者多數照台灣民眾黨黨團提議通過做如下決議要求民眾黨政府的行政院 |
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旅行政治承諾立即停止在章濱工業區新建金鼎焚化爐。報告委員會現在繼續開會。由於本次會議未有委員提出臨時提案,就不進行臨時提案之處理。 |
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現在等一下報告委員會 |
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我們繼續處理復議案。本院民進黨黨團針對第10次會議．報告事項第109案之決定提出復議請公決案。現作如下決定令定期處理。報告院會本次會議進行到此為止。現在散會。 |