| IVOD_ID |
15859 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15859 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-35-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
35 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
外交及國防委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-29T08:30:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-29T11:52:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:21:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/7a505bc1fba11f2dcb0d1d3af5c18c1cea5b031af9c32cfd3be8d109af184be46e121a59e43e9eef5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告「退輔會服務照顧及相關救補助精進作為」，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:44 - 11:52:00 |
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主席馬鄒吉委員文君．報告是相依宣讀上次會議意思錄決定確定．而邀請僑務委員會委員長許家青報告．如何增進海外僑胞對國家之認同與支持具體做法．並備質詢。．僑務委員會委員長許家青報告． |
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1952.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[4].end |
1979.449 |
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委員沈博洋等14人質詢均由僑務委員會委員長徐家青及其答覆決定一登記質詢在場委員均已發言完畢報告及詢討結束二委員所提口頭及書面質詢未及答覆或要求提供資資訊請僑務委員會與二周內書面答覆本會全體委員並複製本會委員令指定期限則從其所定三委員盧志強所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報宣布完畢 |
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1988.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[5].end |
2004.541 |
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我們議事錄待會再確認,我們現在請議事人員宣讀報告事項報告事項,邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會主任委員馮世寬報告:「退輔會服務照顧及相關救補助精進作為．並備質詢。」宣讀完畢 |
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2018.581 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].end |
2023.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[6].text |
我們現在先介紹在場的委員首先介紹陳永康委員接下來介紹我們與會的官員首先介紹我們退輔會主任委員馮世寬主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].start |
2045.293 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].end |
2063.002 |
| transcript.whisperx[7].text |
傅政成副主委吳志洋副主委主任秘書簡世豐綜合規劃處栗以剛栗處長服務照顧處曹東發曹處長救養養護處周新國周處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].start |
2075.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].end |
2078.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[8].text |
就學就業處 池玉蘭 池處長就醫保健處 張仁義 張處長事業管理處 楊長正 楊處長退除己賦處 羅馬可 羅處長行政管理處 詹光宇 詹處長人事處 吳延均 吳處長 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].start |
2103.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].end |
2105.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[9].text |
政風處王文信王處長會計處蔡靜滿蔡處長統計資訊處張志強張處長法規會執行秘書陳靜茹陳秘書臺北榮民總醫院陳維銘陳院長臺東榮民總醫院傅雲慶傅副院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].start |
2136.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].end |
2138.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[10].text |
高雄榮民總醫院陳金順陳院長平東榮民總醫院萬樹仁萬副院長榮民榮眷基金會李世國李秘書長 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].start |
2157.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].end |
2170.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[11].text |
我們本日會議邀請國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會馮世寬主任委員報告．退輔會服務照顧及相關救補助精進作為．並備質詢我們現在請馮主任委員上台報告大家早安大家好 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].start |
2185.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].end |
2213.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[12].text |
在離任前夕還有機會能夠到大院來報告深感榮幸也不無驚喜首先要對大院委員先進及諸多的委員給我們的指導與支持謹自崇高的敬意與謝誠自離任以來積極走訪基層本會照顧措施大多數由退出役官兵 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].start |
2214.676 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
2229.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[13].text |
及眷屬依實際需求提出申請為達簡正辨明感動服務的政策目標我們簡化多項業務表格強化線上申辦及資訊化的輸出縮短文書驗證及洽公的時間增進行政效能全台19所農民服務處 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].start |
2240.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
2261.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[14].text |
一為地區資源整合與服務的平台以單一櫃檯服務模式提供救學、救業、救醫、救養．退出疾負與各項服務的照顧以下就本會各項服務照顧相關補救狀況與情形作為責要的報告如後 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
2264.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
2278.753 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].text |
服務照顧及相關補助的現況服務照顧對於長年不居弱勢或高危險因子的榮民疑倦藉由綿密探訪深入關懷 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].start |
2280.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
2302.496 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
並依其需求協助申請吉蘭救助、三節慰問、子女救學補助及獎學金、午餐補助、商帳補助、維刑保險及轉介各項社福資源等照顧措施、聯結地方政府、民間社福資源及後備、警消等單位 |
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2304.349 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].end |
2332.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
建構綿密服務的網路提供多元完善的服務照顧妥善辦理單身亡故農民兵葬及善盡遺產管理職責提供亡故救長農民家屬申請商葬補助善用農民融券基金會的資源提供重大災害救助辦理大學以上親含農民子女獎學金救學補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].start |
2333.439 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].end |
2358.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
及國外求學精英圓夢計劃等．召會了我們榮民榮眷救學為鼓勵推出役官兵救學辦理推薦考選助學救學補助獎勵及津貼大專院校的補助及就業考試進修的補助以後職退休 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
2360.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2378.135 |
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這個除役的官兵的學能提升就業的競爭力結合技能校園進修的管道企業職缺及國家產業人力的發展辦理產學合作提供退除役官兵升學與就業機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2380.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2388.915 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].text |
3、就業方面為促進長期的穩定就業發給促進穩定就業津貼並提供有益創業 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2390.765 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2396.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
退出役官兵諮詢及創業貸款利息補助．配合產業發展趨勢．結合學校、民間、訓練機構及企業．辦理職業訓練．積極開發優質的企業合作．並連結勞動部各分署辦理之產訓．合作資源推薦退出役官兵參訓． |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2416.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2441.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
在就醫方面為提供完善的醫療照顧本會設有4所榮民總醫院12所分醫院結合16所榮民國育之家精進金字塔三級智慧的照顧提供周全性、連續性、即時性的醫療整合照護各級榮院推展多元照顧導入科技輔助裝備 |
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2443.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2457.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
如高雄榮總等榮院附設住宿式的長照機構導入智慧照護床墊三千餘床日照中心設置人臉辨識智慧系統 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2458.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2480.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
以致力於促進國退出役官兵眷屬及民眾的健康自民國84年全民健保開辦以來補助無職業農民健保費就醫部分擔負費用免掛告費等健保不給付項目農種養人病房差額 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
2483.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2491.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
有職業榮民資本會所屬的機構就依免費掛號自行負擔費用由本會按 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2494.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2510.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
推伍時的軍階以比例補助例如上校級20%、士官及士兵級100%．並透過各容輔處、容家、受理容民申請所需助聽器、藝演．各項輔助、演進及鄉衙補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2514.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2526.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
75歲以上榮民納入4所榮總就醫綠色通道服務對象提供優先話號批架及簽床等服務各級榮業軍設置專屬榮民優先服務櫃台提供 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2534.522 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2562.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
85歲以上高齡農民門診的優先看診及智慧教號的服務在救養方面為安置因戰功致身心障礙老年無醫貧困農民本會設有16所農家以全公費及部分供給制也就是自費的方式分別辦理農民入住截至113年3月底任內 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
2563.414 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2591.381 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
國家榮家的公費救養榮民已達3,400多人自費安養榮民到2,000多人持續推動榮家家庭化社會化智能化政策讓榮民長輩居住榮家有家的感覺也讓榮家長輩與社區外界有更多的互動連結再透過智能把服務照顧發展得更專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
2594.523 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].end |
2621.962 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
對於公費救養農民每月發給救養金給付一萬五千四百多元以維持取等基本的生活配合政府長照二點零開放農家設施門診及復健資源推動社區關懷據點日照中心等服務退出給付方面利用數位化縮短更像退出給付子女教育補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
2623.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2644.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
移除年金及水電優待申辦等作業的時間周密各項比對查驗的作業嚴防資料外洩在農場優惠方面為感念農民過去對國家的貢獻有付出去等赴本輝農場提供門票免費及住宿優惠 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2647.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2672.128 |
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平日是5.5折,假日是9折,並享有教育班民眾提早10日之優先定房服務。中整本會照顧措施涉及發放相關的教育補助費、獎助學金、軍帖等25項,其對象資格、金額及112年資金成效如附表,請參閱。 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
2675.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2701.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
在相關救助精進作為方面服務照顧加強防治深化衛助加強防治頻率主動發掘生活陷入困境的榮民券發於急濫救助金紓困對於東勢東山花蓮地震受災的榮民救助已經有175人次153萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2705.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2723.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].text |
三千元的發放另外容輔處會評估具低收入戶中低收中低老條件經濟弱勢的榮民眷及戰功運命的遺族及重要戰役義務參戰的官兵三節合法慰問金 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].start |
2725.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2744.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].text |
協助救學照顧學子加強照顧親韓農民家庭及遺孤結合農民榮券基金會發給救學補助與獎學金災難救助、傷障救助本會現行針對亡故救養農民家屬提供傷障補助費4萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].start |
2747.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2766.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
這個考量物價的指數等因素上漲經初步評估將會調整至5萬元將對生活貧困、亡故、救養的農民家屬甚有助益是完成政策評估並呈報行政院核定後立即辦理就學 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].start |
2768.241 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
2784.578 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
救助的獎勵金軍人兼顧保護國家的重任再因此以戰訓信念為主普遍缺乏民間專業技能在107年起我們已將學長費的補助提升到最高8萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].start |
2786.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2813.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
施立大學學費最高約7萬1千元只要退除役官兵想讀書完全免費幫助無後顧之憂安心上學大專院校進修補助106年起已調整以總金額為上限方式提高至每人申請12次補助總金額為12萬元其中持有中低收入戶證明者補助總金額16萬元 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2816.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2818.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
就業考試的進修補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
2820.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2844.507 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
我們原規定最多4次申請緣額1萬元但是106年起提高補助總金額為5萬元113年預定補助700人次就業促進穩定就業的軍貼為因應退出役官兵多元就業形態及需求本歸於執行辦法草案中增加訓後穩定就業軍貼適用的對象職業訓練的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2850.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2870.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
委員規定每年申請一次最高補助4萬元我們自107年起補助總金額提高為8萬元第二類退出役官兵甚至於至12萬元的榮民保證每年可申請兩次在就醫方面輔具的補助定期檢討 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2872.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2896.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
輔具的採購規格﹚滾動式的修正輔具相關的作業規定﹚拓展醫療照顧服務的據點﹚高雄榮總引領管理高雄市立聯合醫院可有效運作醫學中心與區域醫院的轉診服務﹚擴大提供醫學中心優質醫療服務﹚ |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2899.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2919.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
第二為拓展服務的據點提供民眾就醫可進性行政院在113年3月26號原則同意臺北勞務中心松德停車場及宿舍用地交由臺北榮總規劃籌建信義醫院區以疏解失拍區的人潮 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2920.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2943.153 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
第三,臺中農總規劃在臺中市農福出的舊址設立豐原及東區醫療服務健診健康中心以服務臺中市豐原區和東區的民眾。第五,揪養金方面,配合退休公教優推諷的調整本會在113年3月14日 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
2946.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2954.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
韓報行政院爭取,行政院在4月2日同意徵調給付4%,並塑制113年1月1日起實施每人每月救養給付由14,000多元調整為15,000多元 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2965.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2978.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
推出役副規劃新增視訊查驗的系統提供指令定期奉津人員女租國外視訊查驗等措施 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2980.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
3000.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
是節育為合理保障退出役官兵基本生活本會將依消費者物價指數成長率基本工資軍公教人員待遇及福利社及福利軍貼調整等時機是整體政策環境及國家財力事實 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
3001.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
3017.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
調整退出役官兵相關的救補助、獎學金及軍貼與扶持需以上報告請各位委員先進不吝指教與支持報告完畢並請遲到好 謝謝好 謝謝主委我們現在補充介紹羅美玲委員黃仁委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
3031.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
3031.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
議事錄確定 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
3044.426 |
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現在開始詢答本會委員8加2分鍾非本會委員6分鍾10點30分發言登記截止如果有臨時提案請於10點30分提出11點左右視詢答情形進行處理現在請羅美玲委員上台詢答謝謝主席有請馮主委請馮主委 |
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退輔會 |
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歷年來一直也都在致力於蒐證我們榮民的這個文物甚至是記錄這個榮民的口述的歷史跟這個影像那這些榮民伯伯其實就是歷史戰爭的這個見證人所以這些資料對我國的歷史上來講其實還是很重要的一個記錄那透過這些資料其實也可以讓國人更加了解相關的我國的一些歷史的這個發展 |
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本席今天要跟各位討論的就是說有關於我國這些榮民文物的這個保存是不是往後可以更加多元的這個利用那我們目前所知道就是說我們退輔會有設立一個榮民文化網 |
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臺灣﹚英國 |
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英國有一個帝國戰爭博物館他有一個聲音檔案館他收藏超過6萬小時的專業錄製還有記錄跟保存這些素材透過這些聲音檔案可以讓觀眾更加全面的來了解歷史的歷程我們有提到就是說前陣子我有發現就是說我們退輔會 |
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要在宜蘭有要規劃新建這個榮民文化藝術館我想這應該已經有招標了那從過去我們發現就是說我們這些文化館大部分都是朝向文物的這個保存那榮民文化藝術館它應該是更加的多元跟活潑在這部分的話主委能夠稍微跟我們 |
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荣家家史館的差別 |
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報告委員我想這個文物館我們想把它變成一種集中式的因為現在我們各個榮家因為它長久的歷史都存有一些文物我們希望保留一些讓他們做一個展示之外能夠在榮民之家把它做數位化的 |
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是﹖ |
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委員好我是綜合規劃處處長利宜剛那我請簡單的報告我們除了我們自己的文物之外我們也跟一些口述歷史的攝影攝影家或是協會合作我們從農民的角度來做一個口述歷史然後做一個整體的編排那現在已經有跟省村池基金會來做口述歷史那另外我們 |
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3322.2 |
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要做一個數位化跟沉浸式的互動式的一個展示的空間這我們也在規劃了也去參訪過很多的博物館跟他們做請教最後我們也跟大部分的眷村來合作眷村學會合作結合在地的一個元素以後會到各地去做參展 |
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這是我們未來在宜蘭所要興建的榮民文化藝術館未來的這個規劃再來還有一點還有就是國家軍事博物館耗時耗費非常多年那我在想預計未來的兩年也要來 |
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那聽起來好像目前還是朝向於比較類似文物的展示為主是不是?是不是這樣子? |
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國防部委員 |
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我剛一直聽到的都是文物的展示,2022年的時候我們北榮曾經跟故宮一起來合作,合作什麼呢?金牌人生 |
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3412.028 |
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3412.849 |
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榮總想說要依循2022年跟故宮合作 |
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請問院長 |
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謝謝羅委員第一次的和故宮合作那是一個創舉那金牌人生呢取得初步的結果下個月又要到故宮去簽第二次的約會有精進的作為那委員的建議我們可以考慮的那我細節的部分再跟我們四支團隊的同仁來討論 |
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那台北榮總對文史的保留是不遺餘力過去我們也都把它都存起來讓以後後代的子孫都會知道榮總過去60多年發展的歷史謝謝委員所以因為我知道像榮總說在你們在2013年就已經被康健雜誌其實他對你們的評定是專家最多全方位守護失智病人的這個有這麼高的這個評價 |
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所以我看到英國利物浦博物館竟然這個祭祀加他推行的非常的這個順利我在想榮總其實已經有在朝這個方面來前進因為我們已經跟故宮有過這個合作了所以我在想是不是說經由這些故宮也好或是說我們這些文物館榮民文物館然後讓這些失意的 |
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老長輩從文物當中找回他們過往的記憶我都想這是可以來推動所以我剛一直在想說我們有這些榮民之家或是說我剛所提到的國家軍事博物館或是說榮民文化藝術館等等其實都可以打造一個比較多元的運用的途徑不單單只是文物的展示 |
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謝謝委員保貴的建議,我們會把你的保貴建議帶回去 |
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OK,好,謝謝那再來,好,那個院長您請回那再來的話我想要請教我們主委的就是說有關於我們退輔會我們轉投資的一個事業的一些績效像我們平常有時會接到就是說哎呀,我們退輔會所投資的一些像這個新興客運也好新興天然氣也好很多民眾都覺得說 |
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我想請問一下主委 |
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報告委員我覺得應該要可以有改進的空間 |
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主委您也覺得有改進的這個空間因為我們既然沒有一個民眾的評價那我們知道說其實有很多我們這些退輔會轉投資的事業我們的這個高階經理人也好或董事長其實都是從這個軍中 |
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退役的軍官去擔任可是商場跟戰場其實還是不太一樣我有個建議就是說在我們高階經營人或董事長去就任之前是不是要有一個比較適當的銜接的訓練 |
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主席 |
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王定宇主席 |
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主委早我們在這個辦公室的空間也認識快8年了希望將來還有機會一起聊聊一起分享你的人生智慧經驗我現在請教你三個課題第一個今天新聞已經報了中共要辦百年黃埔100團一團30人就3000個我們官校畢業退伍的學長們去廣東 |
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我們摘要一下陸軍官校的歷史我相信主委比我更熟 |
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3769.107 |
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3793.804 |
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我們國家的陸軍官校在1924年6月16號創建於中國廣東省黃埔區那1927年遷到南京1937年遷到成都1946年改稱中華民國陸軍軍官學校1950年在台灣的鳳山高雄鳳山副校這段歷史維基百科寫的很清楚 |
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第二個事情是原來在中國黃埔區的軍校其實從解放軍燒殺擄掠之後1949年12月根本就廢校到現在了1949年就在黃埔區就弄一個遺址紀念碑後來50年代放個紀念碑已經廢校到現在 |
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黃埔軍校同學會1984年6月16日 |
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3825.037 |
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我現在先請到第一個問題你覺得中共到底有沒有資格辦黃埔百年 |
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當然沒有資格,但是他要辦的話是統戰的意圖,我們也阻止不了當然,他在他們的國家辦,但他們要辦這個黃埔百年其實蠻諷刺蠻笑話的,當年就是被他滅掉的嘛我可以直接講,我不相信我們有3000人要到那邊去 |
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3876.07 |
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陸軍官校畢業的學長們應不應該去參加中國統戰部轄下的黃埔軍校同學會在廣東所辦的黃埔百年這個活動 |
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因為新聞是這樣報他想要辦百團啊對但是作為一個退輔會主委你對這些畢業的學長有沒有什麼建議說法我個人絕對不相信會有百團要去而且到達三千人我絕對不相信那對於執意要去的這些人你有沒有什麼勸他們的話當然他們上面寫的是落地這個接待但是我想 |
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3927.349 |
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3952.106 |
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假如他們三千人我們假設三千人去了那你既然那麼喜歡那邊乾脆就不要回來了嘛那你既然又要回來那表示我們這裡當然有他優勢的地方讓他願意留在這邊的地方去那個地方呢毫無意義坦白講在中國的所謂的老校友你上次說的不是死了就投降的 |
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3953.476 |
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3954.417 |
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委員我還有一個想法今天這些人要去 |
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3981.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
主委 |
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4038.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[92].text |
社會構成的因素有很多社會組成的看法也很多元但不管怎麼多元看法怎麼不一樣沒有像侵略者卑躬屈膝的道理特別是黃埔這兩個字在中國代表他們的勝利他們的殲滅對我們來講是一個堅毅不拔重新復效了所以我是希望退輔會有些情緒可以去消化掉但有些事情不能做就是不能做我接下來要請教你下一個課題 |
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4065.23 |
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這個我們常常在委員會有提到我們退伍軍人的教育補助費那這個教育補助費目前是在中校以下那我們也放了一段時間現在有一個時空背景的改變第一個行政院已經開始補助私立大學學費每學年每年補助到這個三萬五千元 |
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4066.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4090.784 |
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那公立大學的話每一年補助大概是兩萬元左右也就是說以往行政院沒有這個補助他放在教育部那邊那我們退伍軍人在退輔會這邊的教育補助費呢私立學校的距離就是七萬多我們補助七萬多塊那公立大學的補助呢距離就差兩萬七千二但現在因為行政院的整體支出 |
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4091.804 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
4106.792 |
| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
已經補助三萬五千元公立大學補助兩萬元等等所以我們原來在退輔會補助退伍軍人的學費跟預算支出的距離拉近了大概減了一半 |
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4108.001 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
4129.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[96].text |
所以實質上我們現在運作的制度是小朋友讀大學爸爸如果有退輔會的這個補助的資格他可以二折一我要嘛就選擇教育部的補助三萬五要不然我就選擇退輔會的補助七萬一千六所以那個差額大概差別在三萬多塊跟以往零跟七萬一千六距離比較遠所以整體我們 |
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4130.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4156.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
退輔會跟教育部整體行政院在退伍軍人教育補助費這樣的差額事實上是縮短的因為你那邊增加一個新的福利政策那是好事我們希望幫獨立大學的孩子們撐一把讓他負擔輕鬆一點所以本席算了一下如果用行政院整體預算支出的規模來看現在把上校以上的子女教育補助費納入 |
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4158.093 |
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4174.499 |
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實質預算並沒有增加因為那個私立大學跟公立大學在教育部那一塊已經有個金額在那邊處理了我現在是一個退伍的上校還是讀大學我可以選擇教育部那一塊就補助三萬五但是因為現在退輔會沒有嘛否則退輔會是補助七萬一千六百塊嘛 |
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4175.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4191.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
所以這個距離拉近了預算算起來因為上校以上的退伍軍人佔10%以下的佔90%所以整體行政院的預算支出其實在教育補助費這邊差距是往下降的所以本席是建議 |
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4193.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4194.79 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
委員我對這個委員的建議感到非常的感佩 |
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| transcript.whisperx[101].end |
4221.729 |
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但是我還有一個想法把這個上校教育補助費取消啊是因為有一個橫頻的一個說法 |
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4248.147 |
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那我們為什麼不能夠把軍公教一體來照顧這些學生一起來提升我們退輔會大概只能處理退輔軍人我如果要問你公教的話我就越權了所以你先不要講到公教那一塊公教他們上班的狀況跟軍人還是不一樣我們軍人停留年一到我升不上去就退了公務員不犯法大概可以坐到65歲這不一樣的狀況我是覺得 |
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原來是要增加預算支出1億多那10%的上校以上但是因為行政院已經增加了教育補助費私立大學給你3萬5公立大學給你2萬1千6所以這個距離我特別強調是距離已經拉近了所以我們實質的支出其實是往下降這時候把上校以上納入的話其實我們在預算的總額上並沒有增加然後對於我們軍事官兵的照顧也比較橫貧這是我的想法 |
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我們一起來努力這一塊因為這不用修法我們跟人事總處來溝通看看我接下來請教這個主委那因為今天李文忠副主委沒有來嘛我上一次問的時候就帶過而已因為還沒有出去訪問那現在3月底李文忠副主委代表我們台灣的退伍軍人退輔會到歐洲這比較罕見我們以往都跑美國的退伍軍人協會那他這一次到歐洲到底拜訪哪些國家 |
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他去歐洲去了有三個國家這個國家裡面中間有些是中途人家來邀請的還可以這樣子對我覺得是這個方面是一個突破 |
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但是委員我想我會請李副主委到您辦公室當面面報也不用啦我只是要了解一下我們在歐洲的突破因為你說三個國家嘛媒體有報導我看到好像英國愛爾蘭有吧還有一個國家是哪裡還有捷克英國愛爾蘭跟捷克那跟當地的退伍軍人交流些什麼項目 |
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有沒有邀請對方來台灣互訪? |
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這個當然是有而且我們希望以後能夠增加一些交流裡面的實質內容那在可見的時間內最後題目時間到了在可見的時間內這一些國家的退伍軍人的會長相關總會長你預計今年會不會來台灣訪問今年的預算沒有但是明年我們已經編列了 |
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有請馮書偉 |
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委員長 所有好 |
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有關於偏鄉醫療的服務這個是一個目前來講對整個我們在不管是台11線、台9線或者是在這個西部走廊的比較偏鄉的現在最需要的就是偏鄉醫療要提升那我看了你們的數據裡面來講的話就退輔會在 |
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各農院在偏鄉醫療部分的提供哪一些協助從111年12月北農新竹分院啟動偏鄉醫療教學之後分別辦理涉及偏鄉的醫療食物課程 |
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和重點特別培育公費偏鄉醫療服務請問諸位兩年的成效如何有多少醫生因此計劃加入偏鄉醫療的服務是這個我想請專業的那個我們的張科長來張組長來給大家報告 |
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我們常常講一個對重視偏鄉醫療的重點 |
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就是因為我們常常急救的時候找不到醫院 |
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所以現在為什麼會有這樣的一個希望能夠提升偏鄉醫療的服務的原因就是要重視偏鄉而且我們要對整個平衡的醫療的團隊跟他的這個所謂的服務團隊應該要因地制宜而且也要重視偏鄉的 |
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所以我看了一下就是根據統計在111年全國國人的平均壽命為79.34%歲但原住民的平均壽命為73.65%歲 |
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比全國低於6年以上主要的原因就是偏鄉醫療的不足這是全國醫療系統的問題不是只有單純龍苑的問題龍苑雖然有疫診但遠距離等協助因為龍苑體系文明全球本是希望能夠提供更多的資源在於照顧偏鄉 |
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我想聽聽北農的院長的想法謝謝黃委員照顧偏鄉是我們一定要做的事情因為臺北市的平均壽命比臺東縣多了7.5歲那所以表示我們應該投注更多的醫療的資源來幫助他們臺北農總現在我們在臺東有分院玉里有分院鳳林有分院花東三院那因為 |
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謝謝我們北農院長我想退輔會主委 |
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你過去擔任過重要的鑰匙總司令到國防部長我相信你過去所帶領的非常多的原住民不管是在50年代60年代70年代幾乎我們很多各縣市的原住民都加入國軍的體系甚至這個 |
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這個在軍中裡面服役就這個所謂的長期的服役但是我們今天要問的是我們國軍的志願役中原住民佔比例的多寡 |
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我國在原住民的人口佔比例總數約為2.5%但原住民在國進志願役人數卻佔高達7%尤其是今時的特種部隊中族人比例甚至超過半數但退輔會在112年輔導原住民退除役官兵穩定就業人數比例只有7%原因是什麼 |
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另外我在這個特別在從退輔會的資料看出第二類退除役官兵援助人數大約佔同類退除役官兵的10%但一般的農民援助人數僅佔農民的3%原因是什麼你能不能詳細的說明一下 |
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委員早安我是事業管理處處長楊長正跟您報告福壽山農場使用原住民比例偏低的原因其實我們所有高山農場包含平地年農場我們在招工的時候都是以農民跟原住民為最優先 |
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這個是所有農場都是這個樣子的原住民跟農民我們是優先錄用但是福州山農場他比較特殊的原因是當地我們的原住民同胞都種植了蔬菜跟果樹所以他的就業需求比較低如果說他有意願到我們農場上班我們非常非常歡迎 |
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因為不是只有在這個文藝農場或是在和平區的那個地方我想你們退伍會都遍佈在整個全省全國我相信我們在這個很多的原住民的退役之後他的年紀還是算屬於年輕那當然我們要為他的退伍之後的就業 |
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這是一個重點的輔導那當然你說武林農場那邊你說根據你們的這些提供裡面武林農場對原住民的員工比例佔25.36%福壽山農場的原住民比例佔18% |
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臺東農場的員工比例佔24%我相信這個都還有提升的空間只是我們希望 |
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我們退輔會要有耐心要有愛心要有照顧對我們原住民金人退伍之後的就業能夠加以輔導而且能夠提升他們的就業的意願還有各方的條件這樣才是真正的你們推行的這樣的一個 |
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照顧退伍軍人的一個待遇跟態度你來回答一下 |
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委員好 我是就學就業處處長池玉蘭跟委員報告您剛剛所提到的申請促進穩定就業津貼原住民是佔7%這是有出入的因為您的7%是這樣子我們在112年申請促進穩定就業津貼是749人可是你是用110好你把這個資料給我好嗎你把這個資料給我其實我們實際有也許可能有誤但是我們希望這個吐血我今天要表達是什麼 |
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謝謝委員 |
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有請馮主委 |
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委員早安主委您早在主委在這個任期內成功卸任之前能有機會向您請意或是提出一些看法我個人感覺到非常的榮幸拜讀了 |
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退輔會做的專業報告以及您今天早上提報的分析就有關退輔會服務照顧及相關救助輔助的經濟作為本席以邏輯框架跟方法論來探討您所提出的內容第一個 |
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顯示了目標明確第二方法有效第三個我們要做出一個具體建議在目標明確裡面我們可以看出確實發揮安心安家精實部隊戰力與國防部結合人才招募這個做法上面是很落實的同時在穩定社會基石 |
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後備能量與社會融合國家資源的整合上這個也是非常具體的那麼在方法上來講就學因為剛才已經提到了鼓勵退除役官兵自我進修 |
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補助短期進修、深造教育與學程留用、結合救幼、輔導社會但是在上週我們質詢國防部就關法律師的時候中間就產生了一項跟你這邊有所關聯的那麼上一次是提報就是有關國軍官兵處罰條例裡面有一項降階 |
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那麼比方來講一個服役4年的上校因為其他的事故遭受處分降監而不是刑事訴訟的那麼他從上校變到中校退他中校退後他所享有的子女的教育輔助反而比原本上校要享受的待遇好那在對處分的條例上我是覺得在國防部那邊要做探討因為剛剛你已經提到了我們現在是以中校做一個 |
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另外就是就業部分 |
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輔導榮民就業與提供榮眷救養的諮詢服務採雙軌並行制共創雙贏的大局這個我們非常肯定那剛才救養部分也聽到了善用愛心與耐心協助榮民榮眷生活檢討針對救養金部分剛才您提到了從14000提升到了15000 |
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主席 |
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建議分兩個部分第一個退輔會相關的資產依據國有財產法定定這個管理那麼加強相關法律機制我這是一個建議啦預防私有企業希望以OBT的這個方式啊協助可能會產生一種轉移的資產這個我們要重視這個法律的合作那最後的建議加強與國防部合作 |
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協助新進人員瞭解與退輔會的互動關聯以法規為基礎協同國防部為戰傷的傷殘的當事人與家齡盡力照顧我們也特別感謝今天各個榮民醫院的院長提出的照顧我們這點確認對維護國軍官兵士氣與人才招募能夠發揮關鍵的力量 |
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最後一個小結就是因為馬上退輔會要面臨到70周年了我們特別感受很深回顧歷史退輔會與時俱進完備全民國防制度在國家重大建設穩定社會醫療尤其是長照資源上貢獻盛聚 |
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更在您主委的任內強化榮民、榮眷在就業、就學、就養的照顧關懷機制．如今退輔會成為我們國家安全策略性的關鍵資產．也就是社會的韌性重要的一環．我們期盼未來能夠秉持持續精進與創新的精神．成就任重道遠的傳承使命．謝謝主委的指導謝謝委員的指導 |
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謝謝,謝謝陳委員我們接下來請林楚英委員上台質詢謝謝主席,主席有請我們退輔委主委請馮主委 |
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委員早安主委您好雖然說在這個空間裡面跟您質詢的次數不多但是從您過去一集來站在這個退輔會主委的這個工作上面可以說是非常的協助我們退休的這些退役官軍官兵們 |
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曾經他們的權益包括剛剛你也特別講到了我們在有關於補助、獎勵、津貼等等其實都是逐年在網上攀升希望給為國家奉獻他們最重要的歲月的這些官軍弟兄們能夠在退休的時候無後顧之憂 |
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但是呢本席最近看了幾個新聞因為我們都知道兩岸之間的關係就是可以說是在中國的主導之下你看他們這個一方面國民黨的委員到中國去但是他們的共軍擾台持續就是過去我們講的一手拉一手壓其實從來沒有停止過那麼我們知道很多其實退伍的軍人包括我自己的弟弟 |
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也是退役的這個將領那麼當然他們對於這個國軍在現役人所受的壓力他們其實是最能感同身受每次看到這種新聞他自己都覺得非常的生氣喔但是我要講的是但是在這麼多的這個退役的這些國軍弟兄當中 |
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還是有一些人其實過去他可能把他的歲月放在這個軍中可是退下來之後包括像夏迎周就講說這個共軍是有權在我們的空域上面做盤旋的當時這個退輔會我們這邊也說了就是淪為這個統戰的樣板那麼最近呢也有這個退將栗正傑啊他講到說為什麼要找這個顧立雄來當國防部長原因是因為 |
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沒有人想來有料的不想來因為沒有人要當這個敗將之君啊這個感覺上就是為什麼這個退休了之後反而常常在後頭唱衰中國呢我其實比較想要問的是主委你怎麼來看這樣的說法難道不會傷害大家之間的情感不是幫著中國在所謂長他人志氣滅自我威風嗎 |
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報告委員,在我看這種新聞啊,就是一日亡,你不看啊,第二天就沒有了,假如你一直炒,反而把它炒出來,這些人我們都不認識,一炒出來之後,哦,還有一個將領叫什麼名字,我是建議所有這些新聞大家不要看, |
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但是他會上媒體去接受訪問啊尤其是呢掛著一個退將兩個字就感覺上好像他在軍中過去曾經有非常重要的職務我想問一下主委喔像這樣的退休的將領喔將官喔他們大概薪資就是退休奉大概是多少有沒有一個範圍他們多少錢我是不知道但是依據他們的這個薪奉應該可以養年 |
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這個絕對沒有問題的你就問到我想講的重點了就是接受媒體訪問或是上節目基本上他講出這樣的話來的時候所給他的這些退休興奉是足以養廉但是他卻反過來要倒打我們國軍一把甚至於就是長他人志氣滅自我威風的時候我覺得你讓這些現役的軍官情何以堪 |
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我想您應該雖然說您現在在這個退輔會但您應該知道一個新任新進的國軍弟兄他大概起薪是多少吧肯定是這些退降的薪水來的少是嗎對那如果說現役的這些國軍弟兄們拿的是沒有這些退降多但是他們卻一直不斷的在長他人志氣滅自我威風的時候這個問題主委你有沒有想過該怎麼處理 |
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報告委員,這個事情因為他講的話跟實際還是有很多的差別這個沒有人會去聽這一些把它當成一個好像耳提念命聽了就算了甚至像我這些新聞我從來都不看 |
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就是把他當成網紅來看嗎?但是問題是他還是有拿著我們的退休縫喔 |
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當然我不會說講這些就對他的退休奉做任何的處分但是我認為在退輔會的部分如果主委是這樣的想法的時候那麼也要讓其他的更多不論是縣議或是退伍的國軍弟兄了解真實的情況並不是這樣這個任務可能當然接下來要交給下一任的退輔會主委但是至少我相信在這個質詢台上主委對你的立場是做了一個明確的表達 |
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另外一個其實當然我想我們退輔會有非常多的轉投資事業這些事業大概一共加起來有多少個?主委您知道嗎?還是請我們主管來回答我是事業管理處處長楊長正我們主要的轉投資事業有23家另外還有6家是因為持股比例非常非常的低 |
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好那麼言下之意就是說持股比例在一定的這個比例之下包括董事長或者是總經理就會由我們退輔會來做推薦是嗎是好那麼他們到底適不適任剛剛前面羅美玲委員特別提到了 |
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畢竟呢過去很長的一段時間他們都在軍旅報效國家對於事業體的經營對他們的人生來講這是開啟他的第二人生所以羅美琳委員建議是要讓他們來上一些經營管理的進修課程因為畢竟這些都是轉投資事業 |
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但是其實我比較在乎的是有關於考評標準的部分我想問這個諸位您知道像這個績效表是達到80分才可以留任就是剛剛我們所講的這些所謂會派的這些總經理或者是董事長那您知道達到80分困難嗎?聽起來好像很困難但是看這張考核表基本分是70分言下之意就是80分能夠留任他再多爭取10分就好了 |
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所以如果就主委來看你覺得困不困難我這樣子報告好嗎我去台中的新中這個瓦斯公司我們就開年會 |
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他們對於我們的總經理副總經理戰不絕口因為我們有給他做職前訓練還有是從我們會內推薦出去的也是在我們會內當過處長副主委推薦出去的所以他們覺得國軍的將領非常的優秀那麼至於70分80分他們這個達到 |
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這個董事長批的時候都不只80分都是89分我都看了他們這個提報單嘛我覺得應該沒有問題 |
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基本上我相信呢這個主委在會內當中所派出去的這些董總都是充滿了信心的但是呢我只是做一個提醒跟提示我也沒有說這個董總們做得不好只是我們在做這個考核標準的時候我覺得看出來的時候還是要以招公信不然呢我們每次派的時候就容易被人家說這個肥貓啦 |
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自肥啦或者是說呢這個任用所謂的自己人啦我們來看一下為什麼會這樣講是因為一個這個事業體最重要講的就是經營績效那麼剛剛我講了基本分是70分要多拿這10分呢來我們來看一下多拿這10分當中有 |
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政策執行就可以加8分那麼裡頭是什麼呢重大議案要先匯報給退輔會那要及時匯報公司各項狀況配合本會要求還有協調董監事改選這等等可以拿8分底下呢跟公民股互動可以加2分那怎麼樣呢就是跟民股啊公股來做互動就可以加2分再來是遵循法規可以加3分 |
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我們都知道所有的法規都是退輔會來訂定的如果不遵循的話這個已經是違法不是要加分啦是要大扣分了不是嗎我的言下之意是最重要的經營績效包括盈餘的達成或是盈餘達成率其實只有12分我希望在這個配比分數上面不要讓別人覺得我就是在做樣板文章或者是我其實就是在敷衍 |
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我借鏡一下財政部在派任公營事業機構的經理人或是董監的時候的一個管理要點他最重要重視的是什麼包括年營業額、每股營餘、股東權利跟資產報酬等等 |
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我會提出這個部分其實只是希望說在評分標準上面不要讓大家覺得說反正我派了那麼我就是讓他可以做到他想做或做完或連線到為止畢竟身為一個所謂的經理人不論是董事長或是總經理因為他是一個投資事業經營標準還是最重要的那麼不知道主委你怎麼看 |
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我非常謝謝委員給我們的建議我想我們下去會去研究把它做一個良性的改進是我相信這樣子可以讓我們退輔會轉投資的這些事業體能夠有更好的表現那麼未來也可以避免被人家拿出來對於董總的派任做文章好嗎好的謝謝委員的指導好謝謝最後主委您辛苦了謝謝你 |
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我們下面請沈博洋委員來質詢謝謝主席 有請主委 |
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主委早安主委早好 那個時間因素我今天就迅速謝謝毛委員剛剛臨時跟我調換順序那第一個就是我想問一下就是跟這一個容家床位有關的因為這一個目前我們看到這一個16個容家那這個他想在新聞裡面有講到尤其是彰化容家現在已經出現滿床的一個現象 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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我為什麼這樣問 最主要也是因為之前他就說這個互併比 |
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雖然我們現在是希望能夠像剛剛講的讓一般的也可以來做使用但因為這個互併筆在高雄台北跟台中榮總之類這個互併筆看起來好像還是被認為說這個互併筆有點不太合乎常理那不知道這一個方面有沒有可能有一些目前改善的方向 |
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因為這畢竟已經一陣子了嘛所以我們想要知道現在的報告委員我是九一保健處處長詹仁義有關於護病比我們就是配合國家的政策那因為人力的關係確實是有困難那現在目前我們是三班的護病比全日都已經有符合標準但是有關於尤其是夜班現在也是說積極在招募人員在努力當中都配合國家的政策 |
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希望就是說這邊我寫的就是希望退輔會能夠積極幫忙因為畢竟說真的現在大家這個不管是我們之前在國防部的時候現在發現也有很多的一些軍官他們壓力也是過大業務過度繁重那一樣的在這個醫院也會有一模一樣的問題如果退輔會能夠幫他們做一些協助的話希望是能夠幫他們改善一下不然的話以工作時長來講說真的可能會有壓力過大的問題 |
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那接下來我想問一下這上次我追問的就是質押探索的部分那我不問滿我先往下就是因為之前有提到這個自辦訓練啊委外訓練啊等等的一個狀況那上次因為我有先直接有問你們會面以後在辦公室裡面有問就是關於這個質押探索這個部分因為我看到他有15個場次450人我想先問一下質押探索他是一定要參加的還是是說就是他自願參加 |
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委員好,我是救學建設處處長池英倫,跟您報告,職災探索營我們是由軍方這邊來報名,他篩選相關的人員以後,然後提供給本會來做三天兩夜的職災探索營 |
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因為我個人認為因為我之前也有問過會內就是我覺得只要探索員的幫助應該會蠻大的很大那為什麼會這樣子講呢是因為他越了解這個市場他也越早能夠做準備因為我們很多時候是譬如說在軍中裡面他有各式各樣的技能那當然現在技能到底能不能夠先接社會這個我待會再說 |
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但是現在就是說他即使有這個技能他不知道應用在哪裡所以不知道有沒有可能讓我知道質押探索可能這樣聽起來要花費的預算應該也會是蠻多的但是顯然質押探索贏的如果他是幫助比較大的是不是可能有一些不管是問卷等等之類的讓譬如說我們知道他的效能有多高那這方面如果能夠去爭取更多的預算的話我覺得反而是重要的 |
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是希望說在接下來因為我們下個會期要進入預算會期的就這一個方面我覺得質押探索應該是一個重點是不是可以去討論它的成效如何是那另外一個就是這邊我寫到的就是因為在這一個我看到這個重返職場這一個部分澳洲的部分它有強制參加是三天那美國不是強制參加它的時程比較長那但是現在問題就是說因為我看美國的數據他說它有80%他們在軍中學的可以直接做銜接 |
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我們是不是也能夠朝這個目標前進? |
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是謝謝委員好簡單的來講我們現在就是為什麼只有三天那最主要我們要配合國防部因為國防部他還是以戰訓本務為主所以我們目前只能夠三天那我現在已經從300人一年300人增加到450人好那我們會持續再去跟國防部來協商那當然最重要我們的職埃的一個重返職場上面的一個成效呢我們不斷的一樣我們是站在 |
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官兵的一個需求其實我們的目標希望他在軍中所學能夠就是順利運用到退後的職場所以在過去一段時間我們也跟國防部在希望能夠盤點他在軍中的職能的發展能夠跟民間職場能夠對接讓他在軍中的一個所學順利再回到職場上面人力資源再繼續發揮 |
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目前其實當然國防部他有一些困難還是以戰訓本務的問題還有一些預算的問題那我們其實都有不斷在跟他們協商希望我們至少現在還沒有做這個軍職職能的對接民間職場的一個對接之前 |
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我們現在已經在持續的努力當中 |
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好 那就希望是跟國防部多談因為畢竟這個是跟國防部要互相協作的那我們在跟國防部溝通的時候也是因為國防部現在有時候有些官兵他們的業務量也實在太大了他能夠把這個拿掉然後做一些更適性的一些發展我相信這個陳永康委員他也有一整套的計畫就是說我們要怎麼能夠讓他訓練到真的有用的東西然後以及這些東西能不能夠讓他協助跟民間銜接那國防部那一方面在改的時候希望退輔會也是可以多跟他們討論 |
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為什麼我會提到這一點也是因為上次我們有提到這個退休的軍官他們常常會被中國接觸然後接觸了之後又再接觸現役的軍人那這個部分他成為中間人的時候其實會有很多的問題那時候我們在討論修法的時候也是因為這個修法不只是要動到退輔會相關的他其實最主要也是要動到現在的官兵 |
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所以我們在剛好是上個禮拜還是上上禮拜的時候國防部也有來跟我們討論這樣的一個法案就是說呢如果這個東西真的要修比如說他今天違反反滲透法或者承認相關的法令他今天這個退休奉可能是會遭受到限制以外更重要的事情是他其實應該一體的讓現役軍人也能夠用所以這方面的草案呢我們是兩個都送出去了 |
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我們不是只有針對退休的我們是整體的現役的我們也送出相關的草案然後退休的我們也送出相關的草案讓他可以一體適用所以呢但是因為像在討論這些法案的同時說真的蠻需要兩邊互相協調的所以呢希望說在之後呢我們在應該還會再動一些相關的法令但可能已經跟懲罰無關反而是跟就業等等有關的他需要兩邊的協調嗎那希望我們在座的時候呢我們不只是跟退輔會溝通 |
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國防部在同時間也可以一起來那這樣的話呢我們在討論相關要怎麼去做體制上的跟制度上的改變的時候一定會變得比較容易齁那也在這邊跟主委報告一下好的謝謝那這個喔這個我們不好意思講掉了這樣應該OK齁所以呢 |
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那就先這個樣子喔這是我們提出的跟國安法相關的修正那退輔的條例那邊的我們也已經送出來了那但是畢竟只是送出去而已之後可能還要進入到這邊要逐條啊等等之類的那希望就是你們對於這些法條有什麼意見的話能夠提早做準備然後我們就可以在逐條的時候呢再來看到底要做什麼一些細部的微調謝謝喔好謝謝主席 謝謝 |
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馬文君委員馮主委 |
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主委好主委其實因為這一次這一屆很多新的委員不過老的就只剩下剛剛王定宇委員跟我跟本席所以其實跟主委也有一段時間 |
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在這裡還有在很多業務上面其實都有互相的關心就在卸任在籍之前本期還是對您擔任主委的期間所帶領退輔會在各項工作上面的表現其實是深表肯定 |
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那也感謝你為廣大的榮民的付出尤其你是少數在蔡政府裡面敢勇敢發言或者敢說出自己想法的一個官員一個敢說實話的主官這是我比較感佩的謝謝 |
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不過在即將卸任的主委您的感覺上面我想要請教一下還有沒有你覺得還沒有做好或者可能還沒有來得及完成的大概有什麼樣的工作嗎我還是以榮民的照顧我為最基本我覺得現在你看科技的發達 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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所謂的醫療的科技公司提供許多的裝備來做一種實驗的場所我希望將來能夠給我們的老農民更多這方面的照顧減少照顧人力的負擔另外增加他們的安全這是我最想做的也覺得還沒有完成的 |
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那這個部分我相信後續還有要即將接任的主委如果您特別再跟他交接一下您再交代一下我相信其實只要是對的事情大家都願意再把它持續的做好或者給予更多的照顧可是另外還有一個就是剛剛有提到的對於上校子女教育的補助的部分 |
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因為其實就整個上校其實只佔10%那你看這一次教育部一說要補助一些教育經費的時候錢馬上就有了可是對於我們這個長期以來在軍中服役這麼為國家付出的我們卻對他斤斤計較其實剛剛也提到我們不能為了預算好像多 |
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要支出一點結果就把這個上校的部分就把它砍掉了所以就這個部分主委你有什麼樣的看法我們來據理力爭好不好因為就上校如果到上校他子女還在就學其實是年紀比較大一點其實才結婚才成家或者才有小孩其實對他的來包括我們現在的年金改革以後其實對他們也是造成了一些有一些損害 |
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謝謝委員提出這個問題這問題在我講這個事情之前是我的痛 |
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為什麼一個上校負責國家演訓中間最重要的指揮職退休以後子女沒有受到國家的照顧後來我跟人事總處我們的人也下去會談很多次發現他們並不是非常的反軍但是我在想都是孩子嘛都是國家未來的主人翁嘛 |
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我乾脆通通都有不要分階級我想這樣子比較橫貧真正的橫貧好那我們就來努力這一塊好不好其實主委在你剛剛其實包括王定宇委員有提到了其實大家都發現到這是非常不公平的當你政府千億千億的這樣一直在編預算不斷不斷的給很多很多 |
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是的,謝謝委員 |
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接下來就是我們還要請教的是本席辦公室有查詢退輔會在提供容家編制的容家人員編制的資料發現容家在藥事跟護理人員的編制上面其實還有很多的護士跟藥劑生對不對 |
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那護士跟護理師還有藥劑生跟藥師其實他們在我們農家裡面他們有什麼樣的差異要不要簡單說明一下 |
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是巴馬委員我是那個人事處處長沒關係簡單說明那因為那個藥師跟藥劑師是先經過那個資格考我知道他們是考試的啦我說他們在農家裡面有什麼樣的差別比如說薪資比如說工作他們的差別在哪裡那當然就有差別因為基本上差別在哪裡 |
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因為他的職務劣等會比較高那是他領比較多錢以你們榮家現在裡面我想請教最近考試院舉辦的國考裡面護士國考在101年就停辦了也就是說在10年前就停辦了沒有護士這樣子的證照了 |
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藥劑生的國考在82年就停辦了是在30年前就已經停辦了可是你的編制裡面還有這麼多藥劑生跟護士結果你任用進來以後他拿的是藥師的資格他拿的是護理師的資格可是他領的薪水是藥劑生跟護士的這樣的薪水 |
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他的差別在這裡他做的工作一樣他就是薪水領得比人家低而已所以這是編制的不合理你今天如果你用的工作都是一樣像一樣是退輔會的系統在醫院裡面他還有藥劑生還有護士的編制因為有些人那時候拿的可能現在年紀比較大了可是他那時候考試的資格是護士跟藥劑生所以他持續在那個工作崗位的時候他拿的是這樣的證照 |
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所以還有這樣的編制可是在有一些他已經拿了藥師或者護理師的執照的時候他領的薪水是藥師跟護理師的薪水只有我們農家還是給人家藥劑生跟護士的薪資 |
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謝謝您指示出來這一個重點我們馬上回去檢討而且一定會把它修正 |
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委員我又把它列入交辦事項 |
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謝謝主委這就是我們欣賞你的地方因為在有些該改進或者該為同仁或者該為相關的一些爭取福利的時候我覺得您是比較可以從善如流的那這個部分我們希望趕快就給我們一些進度的一個結論還有報告 |
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接下來還有一個就是我們在榮民他的就醫的部分 |
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主委您看我們過去其實退輔會對於榮民除了有第一類跟第二類的區分以外在就醫的部分還有分為有職業跟沒有職業的一些相關的健保費的補助沒有職業的還有沒有職業的榮民跟宜眷家戶代表他是屬於第六類那是由退輔會會有補助嗎 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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108年蔡總統指示核定警察、消防、海巡還有空勤人員他的醫療照護方案的這個措施裡面你看看他的部分負擔是全額補助不管國防部退輔會、部立醫院或是相關的指定醫院所有的醫院他全部都是全額補助對於我們警察、消防、海巡、空勤人員都是全額補助的 |
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可是這個在我們自己的榮民裡面反而沒有受到這樣的照顧而且他還有分有職業的還要自己負擔我們不是一直都鼓勵說榮民他退退伍以後應該要去應該要還要繼續就職嗎這是我們照顧他的一個本質而且在我們現在尤其所有的軍人都非常的辛苦 |
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報告委員,我們馬上協調國防部,該我們做的部分馬上修訂 |
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委員會主席 |
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委員會主任委員會主席 |
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謝謝馬委員謝謝主委 |
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陳冠廷委員 |
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委員早安總委早安所以我看我們的這個主要的很多人都說我們退輔會相關的事業那都是以新自備的為主那新自備為主的話包含這個天然氣啊瓦斯啊等等那以前大概是比較多人說是比較偏向特許的產業那我今天想要請教一下說退伍軍人 |
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我們以前都說老農民那現在其實青壯農民更多至少在我們的服務處在家業的服務處基本上45%是農民那都是在30幾歲左右到40多歲的 |
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那這些退役下來的這些軍官士官那他們在去尋找工作的時候我想他們應該是很少有機會能夠進入我們剛才提到的新自備的這些公司那其實有多項媒體都有報導新自備不管是水泥啊天然氣啊石油等等這些公司都是以降官作為比較高比例的部份我這樣的理解是正確的嗎正確 |
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我們現在也是這麼做的那最後我的意思是說我想請教那過去不管是陸海空這些很優秀的軍人那特別是有曾經出過國那留學過回國然後完成他們在服役的期間他們離開之後大概有多少比例就您所了解有沒有進入國防產業不管是創新產業或者是新創產業跟國防相關的這樣的比例不知道有沒有 |
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這樣的比例在我們的這個中科院以及漢翔都有的但是假如說您運用美軍的資料我們這個就比他們差多了他是軍工工業跟國防跟國家政策相結合的我們不是一樣今天漢翔是一個老百姓的公司 |
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7381.571 |
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今天我們要請他做一件維修研發的事情都要經過中科院國防部三方面來會合因此要用軍中剛退伍的他的專長等等的都有重新訓練的必要 |
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謝謝主委所以我在講這件事情的原因是因為我想我們知道最近不管是在多個國外媒體都有提到還有一些期刊雜誌包括politico都有在談到說希望說我們未來能夠有更多的軍事資產在台灣生產那這些生產的過程當然 |
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國防部主導也好可是有些並不是只有武器喔那包含這些新創創新的這些重要的零組件也好或者是一些系統軍民共用的系統也好那我會覺得比較可惜就是說其實有很多優秀的你們特別是海軍也是訓練很多人出國那在這幾個月那我們正式進入國防外交委員會那我也開始跟這一些 |
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退役的軍官特別是在40到60歲之間的在討論那他們有提到一個觀點他們是說希望說假設哪一天我們退輔會我們或者說我們國軍退下來的這些士官軍官 |
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他們在民間的企業不需要由退輔會主導進去這些新自備的而是能夠進入一般的民間產業不管是在新科技、電腦、創新那這樣子的話我們的退輔的工程就能夠說是一個非常成功的一個走法不知道主委你對這樣子的看法是怎麼樣 |
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報告委員我們的就學就業處就是在做這個工作而且我們的容服處是我們處點對於外面的處點跟這個外面的公司都有接觸而且他們都有績效報回來介紹了很多我們退役的官兵去就業當然這個可能我講不出來有50%但是我卻講得出來有25%以上 |
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謝謝主委我是希望說這個以後未來的統計相關的資料能夠也放在相關的報告好的那我們就可以知道說我們的基礎點在哪邊那有沒有逐年的往上提升那這樣的話我還是希望說未來其實很多將官你說他的這個年資很高但其實以現在台灣人民的這個健康的水平其實他們能夠 |
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復出的還是可以很多啦像主委也80了嗎80歲那還是持續的在崗位我想很多退役的國防軍方特別是美國的我看很多他們不管是退役的將領其實都還是很活躍的不管是在智庫上面不管是在軍工產業方面或者是就只是在NGO單純的為他們的這些軍民來去發聲或者是在重要的期刊來去發聲我想這些都是我們可以努力的方向我是希望說大家 |
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不要把說已經退休的這個將領就當成是就完全沒有他的實際效益或者是只是作為去這些新自備的地方我認為是有很多能夠發揮的我剛剛講的是將領包含校局軍官也好包含這個士官軍官也好那不要讓他們一出來就是士官那出來的這個選項那相對較少我是認為說可以試著去開拓他的可能性比方說 |
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委員會主席 |
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退輔會相關單位安置情形如果我們可以把它轉到那一個powerpoint沒關係沒有沒關係吼那裡面就有保持股率跟安置率那比方說新興水泥啊新興呃遠隆氣體公司那持股率是40%安置率是50%有些持股率是39%那安置率是31%那本來我們是想說欸那我們持股率應該要跟安置率一樣高啊那最好是越高越好這樣安置的更多可是我後來想一想那不見得是正確的喔這個 |
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國防創新管道 |
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這個在美國的近四五年不斷的有在提到這個部分那意思就是說在國防創新的這個部分當中退伍的軍官他們一退役之後進入這些科技產業他們能夠扮演的角色其實是很大的因為大家知道我們現在面臨的挑戰也不是只有只有軍購買自己軍備而已不是國防就是入海空而已金融戰科技戰法律戰那其實國防部還有包含這個法律專精的這些 |
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軍事、軍方那跟一般民間的律師又不同嘛因為他們不知道這裡面的題目那所以說未來如果說這些小型創新的產業剛才提到剛才幾位委員都有提到你們有出國嘛去美國來交流我們說實質內容是什麼我們不問這麼空泛的問題我們甚至可以說這一些過去退役的軍官這些將領在美國的退役的軍官將領他們現在在做什麼 |
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我們這些退換交易我們現在能做什麼那這些產業是不是能夠連結在一起我們是不是能夠把我們的產業打入美國的市場這些都是可以的 |
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主委要說什麼?沒有要說什麼。我覺得您講的方向都是正確的。謝謝主委。以台中地區來講,其實有很多機密機械產業,這些產業他們做得很好,他們甚至跨入一些航太的市場。比如說嘉義有一些產業是直接進入特斯拉的產業,可是這些產業其實跟軍事相關是有相關的。 |
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那這一些我們剛才講到將官也好你們曾經有派駐到國外去的他們可以作為這些民營純民營企業很好的公司顧問他們就不必再心自卑他們也不必說就會被立法委員們諮詢說你們是什麼肥媽媽什麼的不必啊因為他們有能力啊那這些過去我看不管是我們 |
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國防部送出去海軍陸軍這些官校的我看到有些還進入到最好的是甚至去哈佛大學拿到電腦做事的都有那過去那當然就不用什麼西點軍像這些都是很好的這些軍人那進入體制之後有些可能是有些可能不是我們不管 |
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當然要管啦抱歉我是說那些不適應的真的退休之後或者是退伍或者是根本就不想要進入這個產業進入國防才但是他們過去還是在國家栽培至少他們可以在商業的部分來替國家經濟做一份努力今天大概是想要請教這個主委未來這個方向不知道會不會可不可以納入國防創新產業這些跟這些國防工業相關的會納入你們的這個統計標準裡面還有一個績效的指標 |
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報告委員,這幾年我們在您提醒我們的這些事項中間我們也已經有很大的進步比如說國機國造、國艦國造造就了很多我們軍方的人才能夠進去幫忙 |
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再加上我們有了國防供應鏈供應商這些都是跟國防有關的對完全同意我現在講的不是幹大事我現在說幹小事就是說你們在產業裡面小的中小企業裡面的小事跟這些大型投資不是大型投資中小型的投資跟這一些校級軍官剛退役的怎麼樣輔導他們可以進入這項產業鏈裡面怎麼樣可以讓他們飛不只是在台灣的產業鏈甚至可以到美國的產業鏈裡面我覺得這是一個 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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主席 |
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接下來請馮生漢委員上台質詢等一下不好意思剛剛我先宣告一下抱歉目前收到臨時提案有疑案待會許曉欣委員質詢完畢以後我們休息10分鐘休息過後處理臨時提案請鳳主委請鳳主委 |
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副委員早副委員首先副委員 |
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我還是要先謝謝馮主委這幾年在退輔會其實我覺得是非常非常大的貢獻那當然但是這次今天很可能也是馮主委也許有機會是最後一次到立法院來備詢那我還是想針對幾個問題跟馮主委來這邊請教那我也想請人事處的吳處長在旁邊協助 |
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主委我們看一下這個新聞2024年全球最佳醫院排行榜出爐臺北榮總超越臺大入選250強我們看到這個新聞當然我們非常替北榮感到開心尤其北榮真的是一間非常好的醫院 |
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主委同不同意 |
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主委我們再看下面這個新聞臺中的慈濟醫院他在推護理人員準時下班他藉由流程的改善讓護理人員可以準時下班包括讓工作跟家庭可以兼顧所以也包括最近我們看到他的數據是他的留任率簽約留任率高達89.3%所以主委我想請問我們總共有16家日融醫那目前大概聘僱多少護理人員 |
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報告委員我是救醫保健處處長張仁義我們就是有4個總院跟12個分院那我們都是按照那個編制方面都是盡量能夠有充足的人力市長我這邊的數據大概是有大概1萬名左右的護理人員那我們來看一下其實佔最多護理人員3,221名的北榮還有北榮育女分院的加班政策 |
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這個是北榮護理部排班作業要點裡面寫的加班工時最遲於加班事時發生後的24小時內完成班表修訂主委你覺得這樣子的規定合不合理 |
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報告委員最近因為我們有就這個問題已經做討論了現在目前已經修訂就是說你發生這個事實說一週之內七天之內完成這個已經修改過流程了是處長我是希望我們當然可以拉長到甚至到一個月因為我們看到幾個其他的月包括像三種國防部的軍醫局下面他們可能甚至是沒有期限了 |
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第二點 主委 |
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我們現在看到確實有些部分可能是有違反勞基法的問題我們來看到依據臺北榮總勞工加班管制作業規定的第二項的第二點細節來看這頭影片那我們看到這邊有兩個重點第一個是他的加班補休是以小時來計第二個是在一年內沒有補休完畢的話不另外支給加班費 |
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這兩點其實狀況我們看到不是只是北榮經過我們辦公室的調查總共有7個相關的機構都是以小時來計算這個加班費的單位包括北榮新竹分院包括北榮蘇澳分院包括北榮玉里分院 |
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中榮、埔里分院、高雄榮總、雄榮、台南分院、屏東榮總 |
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這剛才那個規定其實已經有違反勞基法的問題勞工部是很清楚說僱主給付勞工工資應計算至分鐘以工作未滿一小時時間能夠換算成小時後來給加班費比方說如果你加班20分鐘的話你可能是要給三分之一小時的加班費所以不是我今天加班50分鐘後面都不算現在我們看到幾個榮譽相關的規定這是違反勞基法的部長你覺得該不該修改 |
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假設我們有這個狀況我們去修改我想院長你要講 |
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報告委員這個事情我們醫院已經努力在做謝謝你對護理人員的關心我們現在程式是在整個調動大概6月底會完成完成之後測試無餘之後不只護理師我們其他的職類會比較辦理照顧好員工因為我現在在講當然不是只是北榮的狀況我剛才說了其實我們調查包括7所相關的榮譽的機構都有相對應的問題 |
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這個我需要主委給個承諾這7所通通都要改沒有問題吧只要有類似狀況的都要改是 包委員我們有調查過而且請他們在於這個最遲今年年底會為什麼到今年年底因為有些涉及到這個是違法耶再來說下個月就要改啦這是違法的事情啊你們的規定違法 |
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這不是合法大家談合不合理的問題這是違法違法是我們要讓他到年底嗎 |
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最遲年底最遲年底就是可以到年底的意思啊這樣子委員啊我們馬上下去就來檢討而且以這種牢記法的規定來設定我們未來的做法部長我要再跟你說剛剛談到下面一個是如果這個一年沒有補修完喔 |
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這個補休的就當作這個不予給付這個我們在勞基法裡面看起來也是違法的喔這我也不贊成這也是違法的喔對照理來說如果未休完的時數沒有補休完的時數其實就應該發給加班費這勞基法是規定的很清楚的喔所以部長這些相關的規定我說的不是只是北榮當然我們現在拿很多拿北榮的相關的規定來檢視 |
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但是這些我看到大部分都是在榮譽啊因為我們來看比照軍醫局的三種其實確實以三種來看相對應他們都是合於合法合於規定的所以部長你覺得什麼時候我們可以把這些這等於是違法的規定啊我們這樣好不好我們下去馬上檢討 |
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有改進的必要馬上我們就來做一個月內一個月可能太短了那多久三個月我們一定把它做好三個月是不是是的部長主委我相信你可以三個月做但我要要求這些相關的規定剛才講這些加班相關的規定我要要求是退輔會下所有的事業體除了16個榮譽以外 |
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這是違法勞基法的問題照理來說我們其實相關的事業體有沒有類似的問題都應該一併的檢視啊是吧對的這不是合不合理的問題啊委員您不要擔心我們不能夠讓人家覺得我們是政府或我們政府的相關的事業在帶頭違法啊 |
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這條線我是畫在違法,不是合不合理,不是要有更優於法規的待遇,不是,我們是要求不能違法是,這可能我們有點行政上的疏忽,並不是故意要去違法我相信不是故意所以您放心,我們會馬上檢討是非常非常優秀的意願,但像這些地方我覺得都讓我們相關的行政管理人員有觸法的疑慮,我是很擔心他們 |
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一方面對我們醫護人員報不平二方面我覺得在這個規定之下真的讓很多主管我其實覺得他們也很容易真的違反法規 |
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8464.144 |
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那我們一併就快速的三個月內把這些相關我們相關退輔會相關的事業體我們都能夠做一併的檢視跟修訂好可以嗎好的好不好所以就不只是16個榮譽喔所有的事業體我們希望大家不要違法這沒有問題啦好不好報告委員上個月以後你要問新的主委了當然但我會跟他說這是馮主委答應我的對我會交代下去沒錯沒問題好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].start |
8470.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].end |
8478.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
好謝謝我們接下來請鍾嘉斌委員鍾嘉斌鍾嘉斌委員不在請徐曉欣委員上台質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].start |
8497.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].end |
8497.695 |
| transcript.whisperx[288].text |
請馮主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].start |
8523.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8541.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[289].text |
主委早安抱歉我有點中感冒所以跟你的互動傷可能我反應會比較慢一些感冒要吃太多那首先呢我覺得非常感謝你在這段期間為中華民國的努力那如果要我來評價 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].start |
8543.644 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8568.891 |
| transcript.whisperx[290].text |
我們所有民進黨政府的官員裡面呢我最敬佩的一位就是你因為很多這個不管有什麼樣的政治壓力你總是能夠言你所言那這件事情在這個政府裡面當官並不是一件容易的事情尤其我們有很多的委員不分藍綠提出退輔會應該要檢討的地方 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].start |
8571.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8586.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
你也都很率直的馬上去辦那我也希望下一任能夠接任退輔會的主委的人能夠效法你的精神讓我們的榮民榮眷他們感受到真的受到的照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
8589.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8603.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
我首先想要請問一下最近我們的陳建仁院長他做了一個指示他說要在一個月內在軍中研擬所謂的轉型正義的小組 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].start |
8605.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].end |
8617.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[293].text |
那這個轉型正義小組雖然是在軍中但是對於我們的退輔會裡面多多少少也有擺放一些蔣公的銅像或是蔣公的畫像或是蔣公的紀念品那這個對於我們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].start |
8622.157 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].end |
8622.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[294].text |
我堅決反對 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].start |
8645.25 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].end |
8648.192 |
| transcript.whisperx[295].text |
假如沒有講過把黃金、人才跟部隊帶到台灣來今天不會有安定的台灣的發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].start |
8670.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
8689.881 |
| transcript.whisperx[296].text |
再講一句,蔣公帶到台灣來的部隊,不是串淘,而是有計劃性的,到這裡來將台灣成為復興基地,雖然反攻大陸並沒有執行成功,但是卻把台灣建設成世界的 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].start |
8692.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].end |
8721.66 |
| transcript.whisperx[297].text |
譬如說我們現在有護國神山我們有醫院變成我們護民的神盾等等這些都是蔣公帶給我們的假如這一些的事實只是看到他在這個所謂的白色恐怖中間抓到許多的匪諜加以處置就認為這是一種殘害我覺得這是不公平不正義的也不是全民所能夠接受的 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].start |
8724.011 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].end |
8738.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[298].text |
謝謝主委您剛講的話讓我非常的感動因為呢我的外公他也是湖南的老兵當時1949年跟著這個中華民國政府軍一起來到台灣 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].start |
8740.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].end |
8756.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[299].text |
在823砲戰的時候他也跟著我們的國軍弟兄一起上到戰場上面跟他的弟弟兩個人為了台灣為了中華民國作戰最後只生存下一個人就是我的外公 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].start |
8757.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].end |
8779.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[300].text |
所以我會覺得這一些退伍的老兵我們的榮民榮眷或許我們現在生活在一個民主國家我們雖然有兩岸軍事的恫嚇但是至少都還是在一個和平的範圍裡面沒有人因為戰爭死去沒有人因為戰爭的關係造成家破人亡 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].start |
8780.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].end |
8803.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[301].text |
我的外公雖然他活下來了但他一輩子都想著他當初沒有保護好弟弟所以他最後抑鬱而死那這某種程度也造成了我們家庭的傷害我的爺爺很早很早在我搶寶嬰兒的時候他就離開人世了因為不堪戰爭後續所帶來的痛苦 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].start |
8803.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].end |
8803.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[302].text |
謝謝委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].start |
8830.356 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].end |
8854.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[303].text |
而蔣公他當時帶領了1949年這麼多的人到了臺灣來或許有一些的族群的衝突但是隔了這麼多年我們也看到了族群之間慢慢的融合很多人是外省的第二代第三代也已經沒有再區分了像以我今年34歲我的 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].start |
8857.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].end |
8872.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
外婆是客家人﹚我的外婆是外省﹚我的外婆﹚我的外公是外省湖南長德人﹚是一名軍人﹚我的外婆是燕九公賣局的公務人員﹚是一名本省人﹚我的爸爸 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].start |
8873.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].end |
8873.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[305].text |
馮世寬 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].start |
8892.478 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
8912.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].text |
在現在這個好像政府都要把轉型正義當成是第一要務的同時你願意把自己的主張大聲的講出來我也希望如果有下一任的退輔會的主委他也能夠像你一樣做這麼清楚的表述因為對於這些榮民跟榮眷來說這是對他們的 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].start |
8918.277 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].end |
8934.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[307].text |
生活對他們的信仰非常非常重要的一塊那希望說主委是不是在您到時候人選接替的時候也能夠將這樣子的主張向下一任的主委傳遞下去 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].start |
8934.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].end |
8961.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
是的我會的好謝謝那另外呢我想跟您討論一下這個單身退員宿舍的部分最近呢在台北市信義區裡面總共有243位的退員遺孀其中有67人正在被國防部申請民事訴訟排站中雖然是單身退社但時空背景不同過去的執法比較鬆散 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].start |
8962.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].end |
8974.735 |
| transcript.whisperx[309].text |
所以後續呢雖然是單身退社但是卻有不少的遺孀住在裡面那能夠遷移的我們也作為民代很積極的協助但是呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].start |
8975.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].end |
9002.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[310].text |
全責上土地是軍備局退社是政戰局退員是屬於退輔會遺孀則是由臺北市社會局在協助那我不曉得未來退輔會有沒有可能一起幫忙因為現在的情況就是這些遺孀他不願意搬遷不願意搬遷的結果他們會受到很多的一些法律上面甚至他未來要返還他的這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
9004.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].end |
9006.378 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].text |
是的,我覺得我們已經在處理這些事情了 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9031.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].end |
9050.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].text |
委員好我是服務照顧處處長那麼針對我們退社的這些遺卷我們有很積極的在協助他們要轉介到我們相關的一些社福的一些機構但是因為他們都不願搬走最主要就是說他住在那邊他不要錢他連水電都不用付 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9051.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9077.234 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
所以說他搬到外面去他就必須要去面對他生活上的一些支出是我們也跟台北市政府的一些相關的社福資源在做鏈接勸他們一定要搬走不然的話會面對這個法律上的一些問題可是就我們知道啊每個地方可能不一樣像在我的選區裡面大我新社已經裝設了水電表了所以他們的水電是要付錢的 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].start |
9077.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9105.664 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
不是像您所說的那個是有部分對對對我講的就是在大我新社因為像這裡我收到的這個全部都是來自遺孀的陳秦涵我們不希望就是說他當年可能這是單身退社他們確實有不對的地方但因為當時的執法鬆散所以那時候他們已經一起住了可是因為他的先生比他早離開之後就要把他們都趕走了 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].start |
9106.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].end |
9131.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[315].text |
他們對於這件事情就覺得很不公平就是說當我先生還在的時候我們國防部所頒的法令是好啦雖然是單身退社但是既然你是軍人就讓你們一起住但等到他的先生軍人一旦死亡以後就趕著把這一線遺裝都趕走這個是讓他們覺得很不舒服的那我今天時間不太夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].start |
9132.279 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].end |
9132.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[316].text |
可以嗎?可以好 謝謝主委謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
9161.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9161.556 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
謝謝徐委員我們現在休息10分鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].start |
9226.372 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].end |
9251.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[318].text |
委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].start |
9252.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].end |
9267.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[319].text |
響鐘 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].start |
9783.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].end |
9789.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[320].text |
我們繼續開會現在處理臨時提案請議事人員宣讀臨時提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].start |
9792.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9815.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
依據全國軍公教員工待遇知己要點及行政院人事行政總署2017年7月3日總署及自地10600502952號函規定退伍軍職人員子女教育補助費發給對象目前僅補助退除亦軍官領奉子女教補費發放對象仍維持中校含士官以下 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].start |
9816.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].end |
9837.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[322].text |
施立大選每學年71600元公立大選每學年27200元應行政院2023年底通過教育部拉近公私立學校學雜費差距及其配套措施方案至2024年2月新學期開始後補助施立大專院校生學費 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9838.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9856.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
每學年3萬5千元公立大學則是家庭所得狀況而定最高每學年2萬元最低每學年1萬5千元上述輔導會與教育部之方案只能擇由其一方案勤領補助建於政府補助公私立大學學費之德政 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].start |
9857.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
9885.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
退伍軍人學費補助與政府補助公司力大學學費兼差距大幅減少在行政院整體預算支出不增加的情況下建請輔導會有關上校階以上擬奉人員指令教補費之事應積極研議並爭取以促進退伍跑者權益提案人委員王定宇、羅美玲、陳冠廷、沈伯陽、洪生翰、林楚英、馬文君、黃仁、徐巧心等委員宣讀完畢 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].start |
9888.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9890.971 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
請問提案委員需不需要說明?退輔會對於提案內容有沒有意見?這個其實很欣慰可以看到這一次王定宇召委可以提這個案子因為這個案子在108年、109年、110年國民黨黨團其實也都陸續有提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].start |
9917.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
9944.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
其實也都有通過可是一直都還沒有辦法落實執行所以我們也希望說就這個部分其實在這一次大家都有共識的情況之下尤其教育部也編列了一些相關的補助如果我們可以盡早可以通過然後可以推動執行我相信對於跑者他們會更有感所以這個部分我們也都希望大家可以力促可以讓他趕快通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].start |
9949.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].end |
9959.978 |
| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
第一時空背景的不同來自行政院宣布要補助私立大學3萬5千元每學年公立大學2萬多 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
9960.899 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
9988.074 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].text |
在這個基礎下我們來計算那個差額他的差距就縮小了所以因為這個新的變數所以我們期待今天這個提案通過之後那馮主委我們一起來跟人事總處來溝通協調就是當國家把私立大學的學費補助拉高了把公立大學的補助也拉高了那原來對於退伍軍人上校以上這個職級的補助距離就沒有那麼遠 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].start |
9988.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
9988.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
好﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
10015.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
10042.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
謝謝這個案子當然他有背景的不同不過因為對於跑者的照顧我相信不是預算的多寡而是是不是他應該要被照顧所以如果是這樣的情況之下我們也希望這個可以趕快可以通過因為在過去跟現在他們對國家的付出是一致的就這個部分如果退輔會還有所有委員沒有異議那本提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].start |
10043.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].end |
10043.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請邀請 |
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10090.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
10114.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
我先喘口氣好謝謝主席請這個退伍會馮主委請馮主委今天李副主委在嗎沒有李副主委沒有到我來跟他好感謝一下李副主委臺北農總陳院長北榮陳院長高雄農總陳院長高雄屏東農總冠院長 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].start |
10119.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
10121.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
高雄屏東兩位院長謝謝各位辛苦了過去一段時間為退伍會業務推動所以說盡心盡力把所有的退伍的這些弟兄的權益不管就學就業就養都顧得非常好也把這個全國的農民總醫院各項業務都這個控制得不錯那 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].start |
10148.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
10168.026 |
| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
主委的任期是到520我看人事好像已經也公佈是嚴德發嚴前部長來接任您的位置首先要特別感謝您過去一段時間在退輔會服務所做出的貢獻跟努力我也特別要跟您說李文忠副主委他的專業 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].start |
10169.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].end |
10183.86 |
| transcript.whisperx[335].text |
從他在立法院擔任立委國安委會長期的資深委員到退伍會服務大概有8年了吧如果沒錯的話所以他對各項業務都熟悉然後這個對跑者對同仁的照顧 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].start |
10185.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
10187.762 |
| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
支持嗎?支持但是太委屈了吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].start |
10213.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[337].end |
10232.22 |
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這是總統人事權這個不能顧問就是說就他過去所表現我們希望他留下來繼續為退伍會來服務我非常感謝他我當然是希望他能夠更上一層樓但是目前人選已經公佈了嘛那這個另外 |
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我要謝謝這個主委對這個龍明總醫院的關心特別是臺北龍總臺北龍總在我們陳威名院長的就任之後這個院務革新我想令人耳目一新引人印象深刻那個叫重粒子的一個是嗎是 |
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重例子那總統也去視察過那是只有除了亞洲除了東京之外日本之外台灣是第二個是這樣子嗎其實對岸有但是我們的機器應該是最好的我們不期待對岸但是期待我們這個能夠為國人健康來守護所以這部分這個高階的這個醫療器材也是榮總這個優先引進 |
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那我也希望說不只臺北榮總是不是未來南北均衡啊高雄榮總也是不是請諸位啊能夠考量也設置一下服務南部的鄉親啊 |
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這南北均衡啊,因為你看一下預算我們已經把屏東總醫院成立了我知道啦,屏東高雄都是一體的照顧高屏本來就是應該的那過去因為很多資源都集中在中北部你看一下這過去五年的預決算 |
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這個高榮是比較委屈的服務的人口數也多啊也不會輸給台北也不會輸給台中那台北跟台中的相對醫療資源相對比較豐沛啊那高雄屏東的這個資源相對比較不足所以啊退伍會應該扮演這個急先鋒的角色 |
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投入更多資源在南部特別是在高雄跟屏東所以你看從年度預算高榮的預算只有北榮的三分之一耶三分之一左右大概是中榮的一半你看這個預決算嘛這有個表所以我想能夠逐年增加高榮預算這個 |
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高榮,陳院長,您同意嗎?謝謝邱委員,因為我們三家總統是基金作業我知道了,我也在國安委員會讓任過三次的召委這個部分需要從上面,從上而下如果支持的話,基金可以再充裕嘛長期以來是希望說,三家北中高 |
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委員會主席 |
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許多的這個民眾我想這些地方我們都在努力中其實你可以做一個這個不記名的這個民調如果就立法院的這個國務院來對不管是部立醫院或者是這個部立醫院或者是國軍醫院或者是這個榮總或者是私立醫療院所信任度最高的我相信應該是榮總系統我相信 |
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北農的那個麗玲啊葉麗玲非常認真啊 |
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每一件都服務得很好而且立即回報讓我們很安心也很放心高榮的李文英女士也是一樣第一層的為國會聯絡的這些同仁要給予加冕給予鼓勵113個立法委員像我這樣溫良恭儉讓的算是少數 |
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很多激烈吝嗇的很多他們秉承耐心來為這個選民或者是為國會來協助服務我想特別要跟這個葉麗玲女士跟李文玉女士表示感謝那另外高雄跟屏東農民醫院的這個會不會有這個進合的問題所謂進合的問題就是說人才進合的問題 |
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那現在草創之期這個屏隆這個很多的這個資源或者人才或者醫師大部分是從高隆借料那這非常久之計啊你那個餅就那麼大醫師就那麼多那你如果借料到高隆借到到屏隆當然固然是好是一種協助趕快上軌道但是這個高隆的能量就會因此降低 |
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這個主委你要去思考這個問題怎麼樣報委員 我知道的是狀況啊比外面想像的要好很多因為我最近才去過高融我特別問陳院長我在資源上或者協調上有沒有問題陳院長馬上講沒有問題而且吳院長跟我也很熟所以這些方面呢我想委員關心是非常好我們中間要把它做得更好 |
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所以就我們跟這個包括台大友大醫學院其他的這個部立院有合作的對象那我們主要是跟這個是跟陽明合作嗎 |
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是跟陽明大學合作嗎?我們的醫師的培育啊?就是說榮總醫師的經驗跟培育主要來源是這個?報告委員,榮總體系的醫師來自全國各醫學院但是因為北榮離陽明剛好在隔壁有一半以上的醫師來自陽明交大 |
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所以對醫師的這個人才的這個這個增補或者是禁用都是全國各醫療醫療所有醫學院都可以對所以他的可以所以我的確點出這個問題那這個主委你也了解希望能夠不要造成說兩個醫院的互相支援的這個不要說排擠就是不足的部分 |
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那那個岡山農家這個主席站起來再給我25秒鐘這個岡山農家是不是可以因為農家的地方也大地方也大是不是可以因為這個幼兒園這個公托一直都不夠是不是除了我們現在的農家這些長輩的照護之外是不是可以在多餘的空間開設一個幼兒園 |
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我們非常歡迎的,因為我們已經有3處非營利幼兒園設立了,效果良好對阿,高雄農家,花蓮農家跟馬蘭嘛,那岡山農家條件也不錯,是不是一個月之內請主委,則是我們相關主委去做評估這還寫條教育部,說一個月不夠 |
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接下來請侯孟楷委員,侯孟楷,侯孟楷委員不在,請林益君委員上台質詢 |
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主席好有請主委 |
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主委早520新內閣即將上任所以今天可能是你擔任主委最後一次來立法院備詢的機會所以其實本期擔任立委以來有注意到觀察到大鵬主委其實發現你這幾年任期都真的十分的努力而且為全體國軍退除役官兵們及弱勢年老的農民們都是爭取最大的權益這點其實大家都有看到 |
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本席也聽說你對於在輔導會裡面擔任替代役的藝男們都是一視同仁的而且也非常的照顧甚至從去年2023年開始都主動要求輔導會會幫這些會內擔任替代役的藝男們規劃到各地所屬的機構短期的駐點然後去建學計畫真的是用心良苦所以值得稱讚是 謝謝 |
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主委你這輩子有如此豐富的國防還有國安的經驗那請問你現在的任務是否還想要繼續擔任政府的職務繼續為中華民國的國家安全貢獻呢不會我會關心國家的安全但是我想到宮廟去做一個主委所以是那有沒有計畫繼續貢獻你的專業為國家擔任志工 |
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我們有很多的這個優秀的人才我想我們這個年紀應該是進退讓給年輕人好謝謝主委日前行政院也公佈內閣已經確確會將由前國防部長嚴德發再次回到輔導會接任主委的職務那請問主委你對嚴前部長再次回任有什麼看法還是對他有沒有什麼特別的期許呢 |
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謝謝諸位 |
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那我再問一個問題就是針對榮民服務照顧經濟的作為．退輔會在本次的報告第8頁中有指出將加強訪視頻率主動發掘遭逢意外傷害罹患重病致生活陷入困境的榮民還有榮眷 |
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發語極難的救助金紓困．並以此零四零三花蓮地震受災榮民榮眷救助已經175人次新台幣153萬3千元但本席有發現還有另外一個問題想請教與拜託主委在卸任前來共同來協助看看那就是有關協助聽障還有語障者就醫的溝通障礙問題 |
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因為目前我們花東地區的公立醫院都沒有設立聽與專業人員的職缺因為沒有聽與專業人的職缺也沒有這個職缺的設立造成花東地區聽障與障患者的溝通障礙 |
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還有吞嚥障礙的個案根本享受不到醫療服務品質的提升其實在偏鄉也希望有一樣有一些好的醫療品質因為退伍會在花蓮有臺北榮總御理榮民分院 |
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所以本席希望藉此機會想建議主委是否願意協助事辦聽語專業人員職缺的徵才也可以試辦看看招募臨時的事辦也可以藉此方式來改善聽障還有語障者的溝通障礙畢竟我們有很多榮民榮眷這個年紀都不小而且聽力也不是很好然後就醫的時候其實有很多許多的聽語專業人員其實都可以協助這方面的需求還有服務他們 |
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那不曉得退輔會的想法是怎樣報告委員那個語言治療師的確是很重要不過我們努力在育理分院一直在招募怎麼招都沒有人來包括台北榮總我們編制有6位語言治療師也只來了4位所以我們都努力在爭財中因為這是 |
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人才難求我們真的很努力想要幫忙那目前還沒有的時候我們就把他轉到花蓮慈濟那得幫助他們得到好的照顧但是會繼續想辦法 |
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謝謝因為畢竟花蓮慈濟和玉里其實還是有一點遠嘛我是希望說因為我們還是要服務藍花蓮地區這些農民啊這些農圈還有這些的醫療讓我們提升我們的醫療的品質那是不是可以看看是什麼方面為什麼招不到人呢是薪水太少呢還是沒有夠優惑還是沒有什麼比較吸引他們的人來到我們 |
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花東地區來服務呢這個可能要我們來要研究看看然後商量看看這樣好不好謝謝 |
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在提到未來退輔會主委嚴德發前部長根據媒體的報導他其實也深附深化輔導會與美國退役軍人團體的惡鬼外交所以的這個任務為了深化與國際退伍軍人交流合作的進度 |
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退輔會在會期開始的時候就有說明指出了為了強化與各國退伍軍人組織的交流然後民國2022年1月開始就開始有外派人赴美國然後派駐兩位人員在美國紐約的駐美代表處專門負責與美國各地的退伍軍人團體交流 |
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是這樣嗎? |
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委員會主任 |
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所以看來無論是從臺美關係還是臺灣跟民主陣營國家長期的發展趨勢來看未來擔負的惡鬼外交的角色其實是越來越重要 |
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報告委員我們這個駐美的兩位人員 |
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爭取了兩年立法院才同意但是我們發現了在立院的資源之下效果非常的良好因為我們在英國法國都有派駐這個武官這個武官就是民意上的所以我想我們有些業務可能會托他們來辦理 |
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假如我們計劃好了我們可能在歐洲其他的國家也可以去那麼最重要的是不但是要照顧農民還要把我們地區我們那些在外面移民到美國去的這些國民也聯合在一起所以我們跟僑務委員會也有很密切的合作希望我們一次開會雙方都到 |
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團結力量,協同一致人力不是問題,我們有語言能力的人非常多問題在於一個政策我們如何去推展然後再請大院支持 |
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所以現在負責海外活動與交流的相關業務其實只有服務照顧處的海外科在辦理,是不是這樣?是的,因為他們長年跟他們接觸而且接待已經有兩次我們總統蔡總統的這個講話都能夠在他們的大會中間播放我個人也播放過一次,這些都是一些成果 |
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所以照這樣來講如果說我們剛才這樣來研議的情況一下就是說如果他再繼續推廣的話可能海外科同仁的業務是不是會日益的加重這樣是不是會不會會造成同仁們業務上面爆竿的情況呢 |
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這個我們會檢討假如有必要增加人手我個人是贊成的因為我在美國當過武官我底下有兩個副武官所以每個人分擔的業務不一樣但是都非常的沉重所以我們會考量 |
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而且這位同仁7月份就會回來回來之後我們再聽聽他的意見這樣子我們能夠更落實這個政策好 謝謝主委就是說如果我們這個業務一直在加重然後在繼續推廣的情況下然後業務加重的情況下我們在人力上面是否有短缺可能就要考慮一下來會的OK好 謝謝主委謝謝委員謝謝林委員 |
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接下來請賴世寶委員上台質詢謝謝主席及各位先進有請退輔會的馮主委請馮主委委員恭喜您又當選了 |
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我要恭喜你還是要天裡萬溪要離開這個位置我覺得您對我有很多的啟發比如說您競選的時候在CNN都拿我的講話來給您當競選的資料我覺得非常的榮幸因為你講的跟別人不一樣俗話說啦齁 |
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人之將去,這個去是去字,你在這個位置,其言也善,其言也真。我希望你今天,我看你今天都笑嘻嘻的,每一個人都不為難你,我不會為難你,讓你盡上所欲人,好不好,但是你講真話,講好話,就是啊, |
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你要不要看一下因為你當過國防部長當過退伍會主委都很吃重的工作了那你要不要看一下顧立雄這個文人部長你怎麼看文人部長他是第七個文人部長那我在立法院多年了我看到文人部長後面成績不怎麼樣 |
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報告委員 |
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11506.982 |
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前面的幾位文人部長都沒有當過國安會的秘書長對於國安對於國防可能都會申書所以您會評論他們的表現不是十分的讓人家能夠讚揚但是顧先生我要先聲明我跟他沒有私交除了公務的點頭之交之外 |
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我覺得換一個在國安會當過秘書長的管兩岸事務以及我們軍國防事務的去當部長也是一個新的嘗試。國防可以嘗試嗎? |
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我們可以這麼說喔你看他律師當了當這個這個處長會的主委然後就金管委主委國防委秘書長我覺得他好像是十項全能欸你不覺得這個政府對他來講蔡英文對他來講十分壞一路提攜啊 |
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是不是這個難道你沒有一絲絲的擔心嗎你就是其實你不用拍他馬屁吧對不對你不用我剛才講話有拍他馬屁嗎感覺有一點我的感覺有一點假如有一點我收回很收回不要收回啦你講話講出來就不要收回我今天是帶了很誠意來跟你對話我會珍惜這樣的最後一次的對話 |
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這是第一個所以你對他是肯定大於否定是這樣講對吧我覺得他當過國安會秘書長比前面的文人直接來當部長應該頗具優勢那你要這樣講陳履安有沒有當過國防部長他有當過阿對啊那他的背景他爸爸陳陳阿他的軍方背景很強阿他沒有當過兵阿他沒有指揮過部隊阿他是文人部長阿 |
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我們這樣子好了,刮目來看,顧委員是不是,顧部長是不是能夠做得更好?因為他經過國安會這麼多長時間的歷練,這樣子,這個不是拍馬屁吧? |
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我比較擔心是到時候緊急情況按鈕按錯了我比較擔心這個第二個這個我們關心的其實請問你退輔會你在國防部長跟退輔會任內你自己自詡哪一個單位你做比較好我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[398].start |
11644.212 |
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11672.372 |
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國防部我是盡力了所以我稱自己是100分嘛但是在這個退輔會啊做的時間比較長能夠做一些長期規劃的事這個有成就感也是100分我不敢打100分但是我覺得我的確是努力了你講國防部長100分那你退輔會就代表退輔會做得比較差我都覺得你退輔會做得不差欸 |
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11696.39 |
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最少譬如說榮總體系就做得很好阿是 謝謝是不是北榮你知道北榮今年阿不得了阿得到世界的排名阿對我要講這個世界排名只有北榮阿拍謝喔其他總榮高榮也很好我只是特別講但是你們沒有入名北榮入名阿是不是了不起阿我都以為這次衛武部長是他你知道嗎猜錯了 |
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11706.632 |
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報告委員我也是這麼猜測對阿你看你跟我講的一樣我心裡想叫你站在院長就對這部長哈哈哈哈施裝哈蘇哈蘇你聽懂這個意思嗎聽懂聽懂嗎西裝穿起來很fitfit對不對他來當衛務部長那比邱太元好人不知道幾倍的幾倍阿實在是這樣 |
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11751.899 |
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你們趕快講幾句現話卓龍泰看錯人啦實在是所以才押一個陳時中來當地下部長謝謝敬愛的委員我可不可以澄清一下醫學院畢業以後我就進入輔導會醫療體系它是我唯一的家我剩下的三年多的時間如果長官允許我會繼續幹到退休也不會去爭取任何職位報效國家這個不要爭取啦 |
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這個不用爭取這是長官的關愛什麼關愛的眼神請問請問請問主委你樂見我們北龍院長出任衛務部長吧這個表示我們兩個英雄所見略同對啊這個今天最喜歡聽的就你這句話好最後一個選民服務請主席給我一點點時間我要講一下我在立院多年 |
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我每次被這個案子我都掉眼淚不知道怎麼辦找你們幾次就是什麼就是國安體系的這些跑者退下來的 |
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一樣是軍人樓你跟我同學黃埔第幾期的入關第幾期的結果你去陸海空你有配到宿舍我沒有宿舍到處陳情我們的主席也認真在幫忙捲改基金硬活生生的不給啊 |
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國安會的秘書長、副秘書長到我辦公室講了幾次他們起立主張應該給他們配宿舍但是國安部不肯這個事你知道對不對?不知道不知道?找過你咧找過你那時候當部長的時候沒有找到你本人但是你的幕僚你不知道這個事就是一樣都是軍人 |
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委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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11867.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[407].text |
退輔會沒有圈改基金沒有基地 |
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叫做什麼? |
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11927.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[409].text |
六個單位有三四百戶喔六個單位他們都垂垂老矣他們心裡的恨就帶進棺材喔真的我講的比較重的話就這樣子喔 |
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11949.045 |
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委員我補充一下我是服務照顧處處長當初這六個眷社他是沒有納入到眷改總策的眷改基地那當初應該是有一些經過一些調查或一些作業那相關的一些作業呢可能要國防部這邊還是要來解套退輔會是負責服務照顧他們的問題我們會協助他們來跟國防部來做一些討論 |
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但是追根究柢這就是在眷村改建條老舊眷村改建條例裡面它不是列入在它的改建的那個基地裡面我知道嘛就是為什麼不列入嘛一樣都是軍人一樣都是管校我們同學比如說我今天跟馮世寬是同學對不對你就有我就沒有我一輩子 |
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委員您的講話 |
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11996.476 |
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11996.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[413].text |
好,那以 |
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登記質詢委員除不在場外均已發言完畢報告及詢答結束本日會議由羅志強委員提出書面質詢請列入記錄並刊登公報請相關機關已書面於兩週內答覆 |
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本日委員口頭質詢未及答覆的部分會要求補充資料者亦請相關單位書面於兩週內提供委員令約定期限者從期鎖定。 |
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有專業證照的部分 藥生跟護士的部分請一個禮拜之內提出方向跟做法給本席的辦公室接下來我們本日會議到此結束 三會 謝謝 |