| IVOD_ID |
15854 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15854 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-29 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
聯席會議-11-1-26,36-1 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
聯席會議 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[1] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[1] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-29T08:31:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-29T17:02:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
08:31:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a685cb0d1d3af5c18c1cce1f9dc46489d2413be8d109af184be40e9f7c49109888e25ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-29T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員黃捷等20人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十六條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案」案。
二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第四十七條條文修正草案」案。
三、委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第二條、第三十九條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。
四、委員蘇清泉等24人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
五、委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十八條及第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
六、委員葛如鈞等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。
七、委員徐巧芯等24人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員陳冠廷等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
九、委員黃健豪等17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十、委員林宜瑾等26人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第三十九條之一條文草案」案。
十一、委員李坤城等22人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員沈伯洋等19人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十條條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員廖偉翔等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第四十四條條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員廖偉翔等17人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例增訂第四十一條之一條文草案」案。
十六、委員王育敏等19人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
十七、委員黃建賓等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案」案。
十八、委員許宇甄等26人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第二條及第三十八條條文修正草案」案。
十九、委員王世堅等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二十、委員陳菁徽等16人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二十一、委員王美惠等18人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條條文修正草案」案。
二十二、國民黨黨團擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二十三、委員王鴻薇等25人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案」案。
二十四、委員萬美玲等20人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第四十四條、第五十一條及第五十三條之一條文修正草案」案。
二十五、委員賴士葆等22人擬具「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條條文修正草案」案...等36案。
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議員響鐘 |
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委員林岱樺等20人擬具、「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十六條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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一、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案。 |
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1799.629 |
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法定人數不足 |
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初席委員已足法定人數現在開會本日議程為審查委員及國民黨黨團分別擬具兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案暨三十六案現在介紹在場委員及列席官員我們在場的有蘇清泉委員葛如軍委員徐宇貞委員 |
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李坤澄委員陳昭芝委員范雲委員沈伯陽委員郭鈺晴委員王振旭委員王世堅委員明月晴委員陳冠廷委員接下來我們介紹 |
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1883.1 |
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介紹與會的官員衛生福利部薛瑞元部長保護服務司張秀淵司長心理健康司陳亮宇司長法規會許子惠專門委員陳信成參事社家屬楊秀川組長 |
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1909.893 |
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1937.441 |
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國家通訊傳播委員會網際網路傳播辦公室張文旭主任。數位發展部法治處張學文處長。資源管理司江正南科長。內政部警政署防制組司益先副組長。法務部汪南軍參事。檢察司主任檢察官朱華軍檢察官。 |
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1938.988 |
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1966.593 |
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禁用監督管理委員會銀行局張曉平專門委員、證券期貨局李采珍專門委員、司法院少年及家事廳謝敬慧廳長、陸怡璇法官、刑事廳朱家川法官、教育部學生事務及特殊教育司吳林輝司長、 |
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1968.84 |
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1983.216 |
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國民及學前教育署葉信春組長、行政院主計總署公務預算處廖玉琳專門委員、行政院人事行政總署主編人力組曾永芳專門委員。 |
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1990.055 |
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1990.235 |
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黃捷委員 |
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好 謝謝主席各位大家早安我講一下我的提案好了因為這一次因應這個我很多不分黨派的委員都有提出兒童及少年性剝削條例的修法那在我的版本裡面有幾個重點第一個是下載這個行為因為網路下載檔案傳輸這種就是原本法律就有保障它原本就有定義它是重置的行為那兒童及少年性剝削影像外流這個也是這一次主要的方案的管道 |
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所以我認為要減少這些不法的影像透過下載然後進行傳播所以我的法案裡面有提到36條加入重置這個行為的樣態然後也把他的罰金提高他的上限再來第二個是持有在39條裡面有規範持有兒少性剝削影像那我希望可以增加他的刑度跟罰金的上限來增加他的嚇阻的效果 |
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而第三個是目前《兒童及少年性剝削條例》五十一條裏面有規範針對犯罪者的輔導教育推述都還是只有觀念或知識的認知教育所以我希望比照性侵害防制犯罪條例裏面來規範犯行嚴重的加害者應該要接受身心的治療來減少再犯的可能性那以上是我的條例的修正希望大家可以支持然後我們加速落實對於兒童權益的保障謝謝 |
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2099.347 |
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蘇清泉委員 |
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謝謝主席國民黨黨團的提案跟我的提案我們就一起說明節省時間國民黨黨團第一個就是修正第三條建立性剝削的資料庫防止境外犯罪第五條比照性侵害防治法要求警政單位執行 |
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而少剝削、被害人安全維護、犯罪調查等等。修正第36條提高行責及行徒增加阻嚇的力道。修正第38條針對散佈為成年性影像提高行徒及行者。 |
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條文修正草案案第39條無正當理由持有兒少影像提高刑度取消單純科罰金之處罰改為最輕為居易並科罰金提高。條文修正草案案第40條提高刑度及刑責增加阻嚇及懲罰的力道。 |
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令針對盈利集團法之惡行加重處罰。修正四十四條提高購買兒少性、親、兒性傾向的刑度罰金。修正第四十五條提高刑責刑度、新增預期不改善者直接熱刃停業。賀子為成年 |
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爾童陪酒坐臺之歪風加重刑責科三百萬罰金本席的是第三十九條我們也很感謝衛務部對本席提出的修正案表示尊重我們是提高他的刑責跟罰金以上說明謝謝接下來我們請郭育晴委員說明 |
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本席所提出關於這個《兒少性剝削法》的這個防制條例第38跟第39條的一個修正那麼近年來因為這個兒少通報的這個案例是越來越多那根據衛福部他們的統計資料就是受害人的這個比例從2020年的2077人一直到2023年其實是逐漸上升將近是翻倍 |
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告知受害人數為4378人。由於現行法令對於製造或散佈兒童性剝削的行為及影像處罰過輕,在於裁罰行動沒有辦法彰顯保護兒童身心安全的價值及宗旨。 |
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所以本席認為其實在為了要有效的降低所謂的持有的機會那麼有效的嚇阻這個犯罪行為的一個發生那本席希望能夠是不是比照中華民國刑法第277條以傷害罪的一個角度來切入所謂的討論的刑期那如果是用重傷害的一個角度刑責應該提高到三年以上 |
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以上向大家說明,謝謝 |
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議員主席 |
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本席是阿宅我們最能夠了解網路的好但是我們也應該要盡力遏止網路的惡近年來非法偷拍與兒少性犯罪的影像論壇的不法情勢雖被檢警查獲但該網站變更網域以後卻又捲土重來顯見我們應該需要重新思考這項議題在制度上的不足為了遏止非法偷拍與兒少性犯罪影像網站的存在 |
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本席所提出的兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條以及第四十四條的修正草案主要有兩個部分。第39條第一項關於持有兒少性影像的犯罪樣態參酌國外法規 |
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厲如德國刑法第184條對於單純持有兒童或少年色情刊物處以三年以下有期徒刑。奧地利刑法也是相同的刑度,所以將第39條第一項的刑度提高為一年以上、三年以下有期徒刑,希望能夠符合罪行相當的原則。 |
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其次由於目前兒童及少年性剝削防制條例規範缺漏了購買或取得會員資格以關攬兒少性行為或兒少性影像等服務的行則而購買行為與取得會員資格的行為都等同於鼓勵或者經營了兒少性剝削產業鏈的形成和發展 |
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所以我在此提出增訂了第44條第二項的規定,針對支付對價購買服務或性影像,以及花錢取得服務會員資格者,都應該討論、克與一定的刑責。請大家一起支持,我們朝野共同努力,一起構建更好的法治與環境,積極嚇阻網路性暴力,保護我們的孩子,不再受到任何有心人士的傷害。 |
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憲童及少年性剝削 |
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各位同仁大家好那針對我們這個性剝削的這個修正草案那原則上我們簡短的簡短二要來跟大家報告主要就是要斷鏈斷鏈的意思就是說把這個產業鏈給斷鏈那譬如說拍攝製造我們第三十六條拍攝製造或這個兒童或少年性影像的部分我們把提高罰則那特別是在強暴脅迫拍攝兒童性影像的部分我們從七年以上改為十年以上有期徒刑得併課一千萬以下罰金也就是說從 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十六條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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再來就是說針對第四十七條修法強調網路平台就是把強調平台的責任這個就是說從製造端到這一個剝削端到這一個平台端我們全部都要加重他的責任比如說對業者不配合的罰款我們從六萬元以上六十萬元以下改為二十萬元以上五百萬元以下 |
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不管是從源頭開始,我們要把這個產業鍊鍛煉,所以說把每一個步驟把它完成之後,修法相關的步驟把它完成之後,我們相信在於震攝力也好,或者是在散播力也好,散播力能夠降低。 |
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黃建豪委員說明。黃委員不在,請林一錦委員說明。 |
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另外一位不在,請李昆城委員說明。謝謝主席。那因為修改兒童性剝削條例,這已經是屬於跨黨派的一個共識。那修法也是刻不容緩。那修法越快是保障越多、越快。所以本席是期待本會期能夠順利通過。那本席這個修改的條文如下, |
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第一個是修正原條文第二條第一項第三款,徵定非基於政當目的持有性影像,還有以對價取得存取上開物品電池記錄之權利,都列入這個性剝削的定義。第二個呢,修正第三十六條還有第三十八條,將拍攝、製造兒童或少年之性影像及散布、播送、交付公然陳列的違法行為, |
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他的刑事處罰加以提高我認為這也是跨黨派的共識第三、修正第39條第四項的規定以對價取得、存取兒童或少年之性影像與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之圖畫、語音或其他物品之電磁記錄權力這個行為樣態以持有論為修正第五十條的規定 |
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則敦促媒體善盡社會責任,避免傳播足以引誘、媒介、暗示或使其他兒童或少年遭受性剝削之餘的資訊。則敦促媒體善盡社會責任,避免傳播足以引誘、媒介、暗示或使其他兒童或少年遭受性剝削之餘的資訊。則敦促媒體善盡社會責任,避免傳播足以引誘、媒介、暗示或使其他兒童或少年遭受性剝削之餘的資訊。則敦促媒體善盡社會責任,避免傳播足以引誘、媒介、� |
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2750.18 |
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2778.506 |
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則提高無正當理由不接受輔導教育的罰款。本席也看過相關的委員的提案。我也認為希望衛福部能夠參考大家的意見,因為衛福部本身沒有提案。希望能夠參考委員的意見,把修正法案能夠盡快通過。最好這個會期能夠通過,能夠讓我們保障越來越快、越來越好。謝謝。 |
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主席 |
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主席還有各位我們的部落官員、各位委員大家好本期這次提出的兒童及性剝削防制條例的修正相關草案是因為隨著網際網路的普遍、串流媒體的興起那兒少易受性剝削的風險也隨著增加所以為了應對應應這一項挑戰本期提案修正第二條 |
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則一、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條、第三十八條條文修正草案。則一、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條、第三十九條條文修正草案。則一、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條、第三十九條條文修正草案。則一、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條、第三十九條條條文修正草案。則一、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年 |
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還對潛在的犯罪者也發出明確的警告社會對於這類侵害兒童及少年權益的行為零容忍的態度那這種做法也是基於沒有市場就沒有殺戮這個原則強調了剷除需求端在防制性剝削中的一個重要性那當然我想針對這個部分我們將購買行為列入犯罪行為的類型也有助於警方跟檢察機關 |
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在偵查和起訴此類案件時有更為明確的法律依據這不僅能夠加大打擊的力度也能提高法律的執行效率從而更有效的保護兒少免受侵害希望也藉由這一次的修法希望能夠建立一個更加堅固的保護的機制為兒童跟少年創建一個無懼侵害的一個成長環境為他們的健康成長提供 |
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則是我們對未來社會的責任承諾。 |
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很快的說明第一個就是要增加刑度我看這個大概是大家的共識但作為一個刑法學者在這邊要提醒大家一下就是我們最後還是要參照這整體的這個刑度對照表那理論上我個人我自己在提案裡面有寫到兩年是比較合理的那最主要是要增加他的負擔因為沒有去增加他的負擔處分單純提高刑法的意義並不高那至多應該是三年 |
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因為如果三年再往下的話,會動到其他條文的刑度,那除非我們要全部一起修正,這是第一件事情。第二件事情就是呢,我看到蠻多委員有提到對價取得這件事。那以刑法的規範來講,單純對價取得就可以構成刑法上的規範,在整部法律裡面是非常非常稀少的,最主要就只有在什麼買賣、收受髒物罪。 |
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所以如果真的要把對價取得、要把購買直接當作一個犯罪行為、把它當作毒品一樣的話,需要有更堅實的理由。那我在另外跟月前委員的提案裡面有把它設計成雙重違憲,意思就是你購買,你購買再加上譬如說你以特定青少年或者兒童作為類別。 |
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那這樣的話他就有雙重的危險,那就可能比較值得從一般的違法到刑事上的違法,這是我第二個建議。那第三個建議就是在加強刑法力道的這個同時呢,非常重要的一點就是虛擬兒童。那虛擬兒童這一邊呢,如果我們還把它擴張,把虛擬的都處罰進來的話,一定會有過寬的問題,因為你的刑度已經加重了,你的行為類型也變多了。 |
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所以不管是在我們的修法理由或者在這次衛福部的意見,我強烈建議必須要把虛擬排除。那虛擬排除以後呢,但是譬如說是以真實兒童作為比如說AI啊什麼等等之類的,這個納入這沒有問題。最後就是刑度加重、圖法不足以自刑啦。單純刑度的加重不代表這些人一定抓得到。 |
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接下來我們請王士堅委員說明。 |
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主席各位同仁本席提案兒童及少年性剝削條例之修正草案那麼我們是希望法規能夠更完善的保護性被害未成年被害者他們這個能夠得到應有的保護那所以我的看法兩點第一點應該加重 |
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對兒少幼拐性交易、強迫拍攝以及散佈營利的罪輕本行。前一段時間黃姓一人他所作所為令人髮指,但是承辦檢察官最後竟然以犯罪情節非重大給予他還起訴。這一件事情 |
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讓我們整個社會嘩然。所以為了避免檢察官因為誤判而重犯的犯罪情節重大之加害人。所以我認為應該加重對未成年、誘拐性交易、強迫拍攝、散播營利等罪之最輕本行。 |
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讓加害人沒有辦法再適用緩起訴的要件。第二點,我認為應該增訂購買性影像者之加重處罰,因為透過切斷需求來抑制非法性影像來源之壯大。 |
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其實這是非常重要的一環所以本席提案修正本法第44條我要徵定支付對價關染或持有兒童性影像者處三年以上、五年以下之有期徒刑以上兩點是我個人的看法謝謝 |
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王美惠委員陳金惠委員 |
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委員、各位官員、主席,大家早安。感謝朝委見及履及了把大家最關注的避免殘害兒童來修法,排定了今天的兒童與少年性剝削防制條例的議案。身為提案人之一,以下是我的草案重點。我認為 |
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最近的新聞這些違法性影像被販賣還有持有等事件國人從上到下都身無痛絕但受害者一旦又有未成年兒少族群的話更會因為相對弱勢沒有社會的應變能力所以我們在修法的重點必須要積極的來保護這些兒少 |
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所以我所謂提案的呢透過對於第三、第五、第八、第三十九跟第四十七條的修正我要求呢政府每半年就要公布兒童性剝削防制政策的檢討成效然後我們要建立新犯罪資料庫也要提高犯罪的刑度 |
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而且當條文審查時我也會提出修正動議針對兒少性影像的持有行為我想要再區分出無故持有以及支付對價而無故持有同時提出科技巡查業務的法定依據還有規定網路業者不得拒絕等等內容以上也拜託大家支持大家都知道說母親節快要到了我們希望台灣的每一個兒童都可以在愛與尊重的環抱中 |
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閱讀、三讀,成功修法當成國人最好的母親節禮物。謝謝大家。 |
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大家好,大家午安。今天本市也提出我們今天的二、三個條款來賓。本市是覺得先一站,我相信大家都看到這些孩子受災害, |
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因為他們去我們的網站裡面有最特別的就是一個創意私房,大家不知道都當作不知道是要賣吃還是賣什麼,結果不知道說這裡面是八成的孩子會收集的網站,尤其在這裡面有千多個會員。 |
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你要讓大家看一看的時候,還可以改變在這個社會的時候,有人會看,又一定有人會做。在這個過程當中,你看這些孩子,尤其看到孩子被大人的白色來欺負上, |
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你看這是非常心痛所以本席在三十九條裡面本來我們的法規有定一年以下本席提出三年以下所以我覺得這個條款我相信我們在野任何什麼都覺得這個條款要看經過不覺得對這個社會來說這麼困難 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條條文修正草案案。案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少 |
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王紅薇委員 |
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謝謝主席我想我們今天修法最主要是藝人黃子嬌她因為無故持有未成年的性影像而且造成整個社會的轟動以及憤怒的台版N號房的事件所以在這個修法的部分要跟大家做以下的報告 |
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我們當然在這次修法重點就是以這個持有無辜持有這個未成年影像應該要加重刑責但是呢如同剛才王美惠委員所講的有人看就是一定有人去製造所以在我們的修正條文裡面 |
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我所提出的除了是你持有之外那麼在上游的部分你拍攝製造這些性影像或者是更嚴重的你招募引用容流媒介或協助來製造性影像 |
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以及用強暴、脅迫、藥劑、詐術、催眠術等方式,我覺得應該更加重刑責。另外一方面,我在整個修法裡面特別提到的就是有窩裡反的條款。 |
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也就是為了降低我們辦案的成本可以揪出更多這樣的不法集團所以如果你在偵查或審判中你自白者可以減輕其刑公出性剝削影片來源者而查獲其他的證犯或共犯者 |
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好這樣子也可以做一些減刑因為我的刑度是把提高的比較高但是呢在這個過程裡面事實上就是比照我們現在的毒品的犯罪也就是在我們的未來可能有很多這一類的案件那為了讓我們在檢調他整個的查查的過程裡面可以減輕他的成本所以呢也就鼓勵 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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謝謝,謝謝主席那各位委員、主席大家早安就是我先就我的提案做一個說明因為在這一次我的秀案上面分成三個部分第一個就是提高刑度和罰金那在刑度跟罰金基本上就是39條跟44條因為過去並沒有正當的理由持有兒童性影像的刑責跟罰金只有一年以下有期徒刑和三到三十萬所有的版本就是提高到一到三年把它提高到三年然後 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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所以我希望大家可以來支持這個版本再來最後一個部分就是我的條文裡面也加入了主管機關得於必要時公布犯人的姓名或名稱就是要來約束我們的犯罪者並進一步達到嚇阻的效果其實這一條在《兒少全法》的第49條和第97條都有規定但我也的確是可以給予主管機關一定的空間來決定要不要執行公開姓名的行動 |
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這次兒童性剝削防制條例的修法我再次提出這樣子的內容其實也希望讓大家一起來重新思考到底我們給這個兒童犯罪者的空間是不是反而助長了整體社會對兒童性剝削的漠視以上說明還請行政部名以及主席還有我們的委員給我的版本支持謝謝好謝謝接下來我們請何欣淳委員說明 |
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主席 |
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能夠盡快地讓這一次的兒童及少年性剝削防治法的修法可以趕快地來三讀通過。我想今天有那麼多不分黨派的委員都有提案,我想我是希望能夠儘速地出委員會,而且儘速地能夠三讀通過。這是我想身為一個母親希望能夠做到的。 |
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本席在上一屆也有參與兒少性剝削法的一個修法。當時針對拍攝、製造、散布 |
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那以這樣子的交易、對價的關係顯然在上一次的修法並沒有討論到。所以本席提第39條希望能夠針對有交易、有對價金錢取得的性影像、兒童或少年的性影像,我們另外加碼增訂懲罰條款。 |
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adequa部分為提到第五十一條,我們認為現階段雖然對於這樣子的一個案件判刑有罪或還期數的確定者,他必須要接受四個小時以上及五十個小時以下的輔導教育,但 |
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顯然不夠只有輔導教育部分的行為人還是有可能因為其他的因素對於兒少產生一些性慾及俗稱的戀童癖那我覺得對這一類人他可能是患有所謂的心理疾病所以呢僅接受的輔導教育是無法根治所以呢我也提案修法參考性侵害犯罪防治法那我們希望呢針對專業機關評估後 |
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其狀況我們可以是身心治療、輔導或教育,希望能夠減少行為人再犯之可能性。以上修法請各位支持。謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來我們請范雲委員說明。 |
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謝謝朝委我想去年修法我們提高了散布製造性影像的法則那也增列了強化24小時的下架機制那而且不下架可以立刻斷網那因為這次的事件我們也看到這樣子的一個去年的修法還有不足之處那我的版本提出了七個重點先談兩個就是有不少委員都有提到的就是針對兒少性影像只要是付費觀看購買 |
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甚至下載就是犯罪鏈的一環,這次修法應該要納入,讓犯罪的樣態更完善。另外提高刑責的部分嚇阻犯罪也是蠻多委員有提到的。除此之外我的版本還針對這次我們看到我們去年修法去處理的,因為反應來講, |
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一般網絡平台收到通知之後基本上都會在24小時內下架而造現象可是這一次我們看到犯罪網站本身會利用在期限內下架單支影片規避責任不用被斷網 |
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所以針對這個部分我的版本首先提出情節重大的犯罪網頁主管機關可以直接斷網把犯罪網站跟一般網站做出區隔那以上三點看到衛福部的公開方向都支持那最後呢我跟婦女學校團體還有獨家提出四個重點 |
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第一個,針對散佈性影像,而且同時散佈兒少個資者,要加重二分之一刑責。第二個,網路誘拐兒少是一種新興犯罪行為,也應該納入兒少性剝削的範圍,從一開始就預防犯罪。第三,應該參考美國經驗,建立性影像資料庫,利用影像的DNA下架已經被認定違法的性影像,避免重複被傷害。最後呢, |
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接下來請林思敏委員說明。 |
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謝謝主席。我們針對兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案本席提出我的提案說明。我想近幾年未成年性剝削的案件是層次不窮。過去針對性剝削的相關的案件我們看到我們的法院判刑都非常的輕微。只要這些被告這些犯罪的 |
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罪犯表示有悔悟,坦承不悔,通常受到緩刑判決。一直到黃子嬌這位藝人加入創意私房購買相關的兒童性剝削影片,這類案件才受到司法、衛福及法務部門的重視。 |
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受害的兒童及少年身心都可以說受到非常嚴重的迫害且所需療癒的時間非常漫長這都是我們難以想像的因此必須透過修法來遏止這些惡意製造、散布或持有兒童或少年性圖畫、語音、影像或其他物品的犯行因此本席的提案 |
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除了提高刑罰與罰金外我們也要求相關的主管單位必須建立兒少性剝削犯罪的資料庫並公布犯行者的姓名與相片於主管機關的網站上提供民眾來查詢讓這些不法的業者或犯罪者 |
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讓他們的姓名公諸於世,讓社會、大眾、大家共同來對他們提出譴責。此外,除了強暴、脅迫與意圖營利等犯罪態樣外,本席也特別提案將那些使用不法取得兒少性剝削物品來恐嚇他人生命、身體、自由、名譽或財產、幣置身、危害安全的犯罪者加重其懲處。 |
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最後現今這些犯行透過網際網路也因此必須將數位發展部列為我們的主管機關之一更要要求網際網路的平台服務提供者於規定時限內主動通報並增加犯罪者輔導教育支持數以實際嚇阻相關犯行的一再發生以上敬請各位委員支持好謝謝接下來我們請林岳勤委員說明 |
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主席、各位委員我這邊大概主要我認為今天創意司法在台灣十年然後過去被揭發的觸感空間九年的時間我覺得如果加重罰則事實上是主因嗎?不是主要的是還是能不能抓得到所以針對我的版本的話第三條、第八條我認為各個 |
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目的事業主管機關應該各施其責。因為我們希望確保那個事權統一,避免人人有責卻無人負責。所以希望在第三條裡邊把大家的所有的目的事業主管機關把它講清楚說明白。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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則三十六條、三十九條及第四十四條條文修正草案案。 |
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則三十九條,刑度及金額。四十四條,針對會員資格,甚至有針對於裁罰金額及刑度。四十七條,希望在巡查,然後如果有重大危險的話,事實上可以立即的停止解析之外,能夠也取得法院的一個同意。最後大概就是五十一條,我們希望是在 |
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一旦如果這些加害被害大概都能夠接受心理輔導來以減少未來可能再持續的傷害以上好謝謝那以上委員的提案說明完畢現在我們請衛生福利部薛部長說明時間十分鐘 |
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主席：各位委員、女士、先生今天是大院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員會第1次聯席會議．審查委員黃捷等20人擬具的《兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案》等共計36案。本部呈邀列席報告,敬請各位委員不吝指教。 |
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有關委員擬具的《兒童及少年性剝削防制條例》部份條文修正草案本部的意見綜合說明如下 |
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一、委員建議配合徵訂、持有、對價取得、存取、散開物品、電子紀錄之權利、購買、買賣無正當理由持有兒少之性影像、擴大兒少性剝削的行為、胎兒等本部競表尊重。 |
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第二、委員建議修正網路業者應於二十四小時內先行限制瀏覽或移除與第四章犯罪有關之網頁資料、網頁犯罪情節重大或曾遭限制接取者得即時強制限制接取等規定。本部見表尊重。第三、委員建議 |
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二、徵並重置罪、購買兒童或少年之性影像罪、支付兌價關攬性影像罪,並提高刑責或罰金。本部見表尊重。第四、委員建議徵並將購買犯兒童或少年之性影像罪者 |
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關懶兒童或少年性將罪者納入輔導教育的對象,本部竟表尊重。五、委員建議徵定行為隱私與身心治療部分,考量第二條所定的兒童及少年性剝削犯罪行為太陽多樣,都是行為隱私因為認知扭曲且與性侵害犯罪本質 |
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指的是以暴力等方式違反被害人意願侵害其性自主權有別。原針對以強暴、脅迫等手段拍攝、自行拍攝或製造兒童及少年性影像之行為人,評估有無身心治療必要,兼評估有治療必要及治療的實役者,再另起接受身心治療,本部見表尊重。 |
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第六、委員建議延長網路業者保留犯罪資料的實現,延長被害人輔導、處遇及追蹤期限,各目的事業主管機關全責事項,橫著實務執行尚無至愛難行之處,這一部分建議維持現行條文。 |
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第七、委員建議徵訂犯罪資料庫、檢證單位執行加害人登記報告、查訪及查閱兒童及少年性剝削防制教育課程的時事。 |
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公布行為文的姓名及照片、境外犯罪、司法附註、組織、刑事、犯本條例之罪、加重即刑等部分,因視涉司法院、法務部、內政部警政署及教育部的權管業務,予以尊重尚開機關的意見。 |
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第八,至於多數委員針對拍攝、製造、散布、無正當理由持有或購買、支付對價關攬兒少性影響者以及其他第四章之罪提高其刑法及罰金部分、事涉刑事量刑橫平性的問題,予以尊重司法機關的意見。 |
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為防制世衛性暴力犯罪、防制兒少招性剝削、遏止兒少性影像散佈等犯刑。本部秉持林岱樺的態度,未來供續透過部會網絡合作建構防護網。本部曾答應各委員之指教及監督,在此見之切成,敬其各委員繼續予以支持。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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跟說明資料請大家參閱有關本次會議各項書面資料均列入記錄刊登公報現在開始詢答做以下宣告那因為這個專案我們其實已經排過兩次的專報今天主要是以法案審查為主所以本會委員詢答時間五分鐘列席委員四分鐘 |
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十點半截止法院登記。委員若有書面質詢,請於三會前提出。預期不受理。暫定十點三十分,休息五分鐘。依往例審查法案不除依往例 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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主席。有請部長。 |
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請部長。在我第一次跟您質詢的時候,那時候是為了要價要砍價。 |
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然後這個當中您做了很多的反質詢那我告訴您說我從健保署開辦民國84年到我的校期及任期時到明年2月總共有30年的這個聘書歷經四位總統那我跟你討論要價的時候您跟我講了一句話那時候大概是29年多您跟我說我29年來都是錯的 |
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所以部長我今天有兩個方式讓你做選擇第一個你要收回這句話還是你要收回我30年的從衛福部發出來的聘書請你做選擇聘書是無從去收回啦那至於我說的話是否是正確還是錯我們大家都可以來做討論啦你要收回這句話嗎你說我29年都是錯你要收回這句話嗎 |
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這可以大家來討論什麼要討論就是你說的你反質詢我最後一張告訴你怎麼投資不足投資不足然後管理失當包括這個分級醫療沒有落實以藥養醫你說叫我拿出證據部長我再告訴你區區的衛福部醫院你怎麼管理的好第一張 |
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這麼基本的衛福部26家醫院第一個賴在副總統承諾內閣單一性別不低於三分之一雖然他也是大跳票我們來檢視你的這個衛福部醫院好院長的比例是24比2男比女是24比2這兩個25、20還借其認滿搞不好你都換成男生就是26比0副院長是29比3部長台灣一屆沒有女性人才嗎請說 |
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在過去那在因為院長、院長、副院長過去尤其是院長他是負責醫師所以他一定都是有醫師來做。因為過去早期的時候那男性的醫師是占多數女性醫師是比較少的。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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那都是要臨選的。沒有!因為聘副院長沒有臨選。就是院內自己聘,你也允許。外部部、官網上都有張貼。你怎麼管你的?毫無章法!下一張。部長、院長重不重要?外部部院長重不重要?請問什麼時候要代理?什麼時候要進行代理? |
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好,代理當然是一個過渡期啊。好,過渡期,好,停在這裡。代理時間過長是不是好事情?當然不是好事情。好,不是好事情,我們上去查。因為網站上有很多沒有歷任院長之後,我就先排除。那我找得到的部分,部長請你看一下。嗯。代理六個月、六個月、六個月。有關嘉義跟岐山我還可以理解,因為偏遠地區嘛。也許未必有人想去。好,那嘉義有一任代理有12個月。 |
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院長,我知道所有的院長為什麼臨,是做得很好,因為知道院期這個院長任期屆滿的時候,前兩個月就進行臨選,那有些時候是到期才去臨選,所以就會到代理,我發現代理,好,代理是越短越好對不對,因為要無縫接軌對不對,院長這麼重要,好我們看下一張。 |
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衛福部桃園醫院2022年7月徐祐年院長介林任期滿,留了22個月的時間給誰?22個月,22個月代理期,第一個醫院沒有人才嗎?第二個,沒有人想去這個最肥養的地方嗎?這個最牆下最大的醫院嗎?第三,這個代理院長不夠格嗎?既然代理22個月,為什麼不直接升他? |
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因為...部長今天答案已經出來了我本來以為今天早上答案還沒有出來王必勝院長、王必勝市長需不需要把這個位置空了22個月等他自己過去?這沒有沒有?沒有他不去當院長嗎?據我所知他...他沒有要去當院長,好我們等著看他是不是跟我講沒有我們等著看今天報紙已經出來了一個人居然可以為人設事堂堂公家醫院22個月 |
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荷原醫院22個院沒有正式院長,是代理院長! |
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那個時候是因為要準備...好!我們等著看!你說沒有!部長說沒有!我們大家等著看!等著看!好!外福部!基隆醫院!基隆醫院不要把它當八卦!我是藥學專家!基隆醫院裡面是一連串的問題!在過敏史的地方!過敏是非常重要!是規定放在病歷的首頁!過敏史誰可以填?這個是非常重要!因為過敏反應可能會致死的! |
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醫師在診間,病人告訴他過敏,做確認才能填入。第二個,可能住院病人護理師發現他有問題,所以他要跟臨床藥師或醫師確認才能夠填入。這個是非常重要,填入就不能更改。第一個,這是一件事。第二個,醫師開處方,這個小朋友六歲。 |
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一、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案。」案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案。」案。 |
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接下來我們請陳金輝委員發言 |
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主席、各位委員、各位觀眾。那我也請薛部長,謝謝。好,請薛部長。委員好。部長早。 |
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最近因為新聞事件嘛,所以大家對於社安網、社福等等的都非常非常重視,全民也很關心。知道說馬政府從2012年1月就修正了社會福利政策綱領。去年呢,立法院也三讀通過,規定政策綱領至少每五年都需要檢討一次。請問部長你知道我們這個綱領已經多久沒有更新了嗎? |
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這個應該是有歷次,但是因為之前的話我不是那麼清楚。社會福利基本法的草案三讀應該不是在去年的事情,所以還沒有到五年。 |
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我這邊給您正確答案正確答案是長達12年沒有更新了大家知道說科技犯罪、網路犯罪、手機犯罪而且關於社安、社福像最近我們很關注的這些新影片許多需要跨國的合作 |
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全球各大型社會福利的國際論壇組織越來越多不管是參與或是像我們有在配合的聯合國兒童權利公約等等這些我們都宣示說我們會跟聯合國站在一起但是我們的社會福利綱領仍然停留在十年前沒有與時俱進 |
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跟委員報告,這社會福利政策綱領涵蓋的範圍是非常大的。雖然這裡可能是時間,未更新的時間是比較長,但是個別的身心障礙、兒童權利、長期照顧等等這些都有定期在...去年我們三讀通過,說每五年要修正,您想要把它留給下一任?就還沒到五年。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[150].end |
5267.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[150].text |
bicycliffe 跟聯合國兒童權利公約也有一個網站做得很漂亮也給全民來看好我們這個兒少國家行動計畫啦聯合國的委員來我們要給他審查嗎我們也要給他評鑑好我們裡面喔有澳洲的有印度的有烏干達的都有喔你都放進去了可是台灣是 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].start |
5268.65 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5270.933 |
| transcript.whisperx[151].text |
已經兩年了還沒做出來你2022年跟聯合國的委員說我們會全力配合跟國際接軌結果我們把別的國家放進去我不知道這個網站是 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].start |
5283.202 |
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5309.349 |
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但是我們每年在做這個CRC的review的時候都有做出來一些報告所以雖然也許沒有這所謂的這個全面行動計畫這樣子的名稱但是對CRC的落實OK所以我們要跟這些聯合國的評鑑委員說雖然我們交不出這個我們本來承諾你的行動計畫報告但是我們有很多替代的施政計畫是這個意思嗎? |
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可以這麼說,就是說其實是我們有整體性的對於CRC的落實。 |
| transcript.whisperx[154].start |
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接下來我們要討論一下其實這個是非常非常多台灣目前年輕人關心的事情我們對於貧窮線的定義這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5345.071 |
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日本、韓國貧窮率15至16%,台灣目前的貧窮率只有1.3%,遠低於學者及民團所估計的11%,中間有220萬人口的差距。所以衛福部申請 |
| transcript.whisperx[156].start |
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厲收跟中低收入戶裡面他們的通過率只有45%所以表示有大於一半其實真正很貧窮的人是被排除在外的團體指出說因為社會救助法本身對於低收入、中低收入過於嚴苛那請問這個4月22號提出的社會救助法草案願版您覺得您可以去改善我們貧窮率的問題嗎? |
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有一個部分會做改善,但是現在我們這個社會救助法已經修正的草案已經到一個程度了。 |
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已經準備要做預告了啦那預告之後我們還會再收集各界的一些意見那最後定案的話這邊是許許多多民團還有學者反映的其實呢有一個大家很重視的 |
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您沒有把它考慮進去就是不列記為同居共財親屬的收入與資產我們有很多已經離開家鄉的年輕人他們可能在外地租屋可是呢現在房東如果要寄放戶籍 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].start |
5457.811 |
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5485.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
所以針對這方面我想要幫他們說話為什麼不將為同居共產用實際狀況來認列呢?這部分當然都可以來做討論那本來就是社救法是依這個戶為單位那這個戶是戶及戶還是說居住地這個都可以做討論那它各有利弊但是你的草案已經快要預告了是沒有放入這個欸 |
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對阿所以現在已經預告了啦我剛剛修正一下現在已經在預告當中那這未來會是用什麼樣的方式來做因為他各有做修改這也許到了立法院大家還可以再討論希望部長之後可以聽聽實際狀況這些貧窮人的聲音 |
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這個當然都是一個因素,但是要去做整體的法制上面的一個規定的話,有時候執行上面也會有一些困難。接下來我們請林月琴委員發言 |
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好,有請我們的部長,還有我們的內政部警政署的副組長,還有我們司法院家事廳我們的謝敬輝廳長。好,以上官員請上台。好,委員啦。部長辛苦了齁。那,嗯,針對於齁,因為我認為今天如果入監罰得再重,如果沒有人去抓的話,罰五萬也沒有用啦齁。所以我剛剛講創意私房十年了齁,促進空間也是九年之後, |
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5573.691 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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而不是明定清除。那執行一年,你覺得這些其他部會配合的狀況如何? |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
5606.966 |
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5631.677 |
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說實在,這中間的訊息傳遞等等,或者是說對個案整體去做處理的速度還是有一點弱。對,所以我就看到警察局接貨報案的時候到底有沒有通知影像中心,就我知道有些時候是沒有的。那有時候衛福部發文的時候有沒有通知數位速發部處理,而且 |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
5632.417 |
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5651.337 |
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網路犯罪的時候到底是誰的責任?就大家都有責任,好像最後就是大家沒有責任。所以我知道部長如果把它定清楚的話,對我覺得主管機關是不是會更有幫助?應該是會有一部分的幫助啦。 |
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因為我覺得前面如果不阻斷的話,你後邊罰的再重。就像我剛剛講,路肩罰五萬塊,如果沒有人去抓的話,那五萬塊事實上形同虛設啦。那一樣的,當初方向上也看得到是說,訂了這麼多主管機關,大家都可以網路內容防護機構或主管機關或警察單位或其他機關都可以去做。最後呢,就是人人都有責任,可是卻沒有人負責。 |
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所以我希望這邊還是主管機關自己扛起責任來。我不知道部長這樣有沒有什麼太大的問題。 |
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這是等於是一個通知啦。主管機關知道有的話,那要去先做這一些,就是說委員建議的是這樣。但是事實上有時候這個發現,發現者,那也就是說民眾也許有檢舉,檢舉的對象不一定直接是到衛福部來啦。 |
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是,所以有的時候在警政單位,可是我覺得還是由主管機關來去做這件事情。而問題二,大概就是整個案件偵查的資源不足,處處碰壁,因為沒錢沒人沒專責單位,沒溝通沒共享沒決心,因為為什麼警政單位碰到的,所以我們的修法方向是這樣。 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].start |
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5733.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[173].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具 |
| transcript.whisperx[174].start |
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閱讀者提供的資料庫,因為衛福部事實上是做不到,因為警政單位才有權限,衛福部沒有。譬如說這影像當中有車號或者是有些姓名,那你們要去查核的話事實上是相對比較容易,可是在這邊你們回覆的是我在提出這個的時候你們說沒有辦法。不過國外已經有這樣的技術,想當初黃子椒這個案子事實上是一萬多筆查扣之後,是你們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[175].end |
5805.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[175].text |
警員很熱心的警員一筆一筆人工再對才對出有欺騙的未成年那他過去是有查創意私房他才有辦法知道去做這樣的查了他有印象所以為什麼要有專責單位可是今天警員正署竟然會講說沒有辦法河安已經有這樣的一個技術在 |
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議員,請問一下警政署這邊 |
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好的。 |
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全憲事實上你們比衛福部有權限去做一些比對跟查核啦所以才會期待是不是最後就是司法院就是我不知道就我們在提出三日內影像已經移除之後為了完備的法律程序裡邊那司法院這邊回覆的是說沒辦法那我不知道我們的謝廷長這邊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[179].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[180].end |
5917.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[180].text |
對那個部分跟委員說明一下因為如果說要讓法院去就這個部分去下一個緊急的資訊的限制令那我們是考量到說像這樣這個部分按照之前的兒少性剝削防制條例大概都是行政先行對行政先行可是不會你們講什麼緩步不及急已經先所謂的停止解析之後才三日再補程序這有困難嗎 |
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主要就是說如果說要用法院去做這樣的一個資訊的一個限制令通常在目前的體系上面大家都會跟人身自由有相關的因為上次質詢的時候我們的部長也我們衛福部薛部長說他們當時事實上請速發部去做停止解析的時候實在坦白講事實上法律程序不完備所以我們再補一條不知道為什麼司法院這邊會有覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].start |
5945.998 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
5948.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
接下來我們請廖偉祥委員質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,有請薛部長。好,請薛部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[185].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[185].text |
委員好部長好今天是兒少性剝削法的法案的答詢那在進行這個修法討論之前我想請教部長因為我國在2014年的時候有將這個兒童權利公約CRC的國內法化那在2017年跟2022年的時候在國際審查時國際審查委員也曾就 |
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這個針對兒少性剝削相關的議題要求我國政府將關於買賣兒童、兒童賣淫和兒童色情問題之兒童權利公約認責議定書國內法劃,並在結論性的時候意見也明確指出,建議我們的政府要制定一個綜合性的政策包括CRC一般性原則的執行以防止對兒少的買賣及性剝削。 |
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那在2022年的時候的第二次國際審查時這個監察院的人權會也已建議政府針對關於買賣兒童跟兒童賣淫的這幾個事情的這個權利公約日的議定書進行國家整體性的政策盤點然後並鼓勵我們的政府接受這個議定書那想要請教部長2022年 |
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第二次的國際審查到現在也過了一年多了。現在我們這個OPSC的立法進度為何?這個其實我們雖然沒有一個叫做這一個這個什麼什麼議定書的什麼國內就是說沒有一個這樣的名字但是事實上他的國內法法就是在這個兒童性剝削的防制條例啦 |
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是我想沒有錯就是我們現在有這個條例在做但是我想要講的事情是在這個 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第五條、第三十九條及第六十一條條文修正草案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第六十一條條文修正草案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第六十一條條文修正草案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第六十一條條條文修正草案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性� |
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防範未來的引渡問題,就是防範這些罪犯在逃去國外, |
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這個部分第一個把它國內法化我們現在已經做就是兒童、兒少性剝削條例但是引渡那是另外一個司法互助的問題司法互助的問題如果有關於引渡的話必須有國跟國之間的一個簽訂的一個合作的一個意願那引渡跟司法互助又有一些程度上面的不太一樣 |
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當然,但是這條這個議定書裡面其實有寫到,反正如果我們提早把這個法制作業做好,我們是不是比較有機會跟...委員知道說我們國家在這一個全世界在這個正式的國際的一些關係上面的話的一些困難。那關於引渡可能事務委員問一下法務部會更清楚一點。 |
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好,那我們下一題。請問部長,到目前為止有沒有收到WHA今年的正式邀請函?目前還沒有。那部長今年有哪一些國家已經表態願意希望幫助我們台灣恢復在世界衛生的大會裡面的觀察人地位? |
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有一些國家它已經正式的由他們的官方來提出他們的這個態度。這些國家仍然在增加當中。目前我沒有全部都掌握住,因為這個是外交部也在努力在做的一個事情。 |
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好我想部長這裡美國國會一向也支持我們加入包括2019年2022年的眾議院2021年的參議院他們都有透過法案表態支持我國加入但是今年呢今年美方有沒有任何的具體行動或是對於外公開的宣稱希望我國可以加入 |
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我所掌握到的到目前好像還沒有一個非常正式用法案來做支持的這樣子的狀態不過這可能外交部會比較清楚所以我是想部長因為當一天和尚橋田中我想這WHA跟我們衛福部也是有相當大的關係所以我是希望這部分您是不是可以持續的積極的再去推動再來部長 |
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準總統賴清德具有醫師背景,所以他也是第一位醫師總統,能不能參加這個WHA對我們的象徵意義也很大。我們立法院韓院長也請我們的江副院長帶隊參加,就是希望能夠把我國的民意帶進萬國宮。請教部長,今年和往年你們宣達活動會有沒有什麼不一樣的地方嗎? |
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宣打的活動的方式可能差異並沒有說很大,但是內容會有一些不一樣。請問會有什麼不一樣?這個內容主要就是說因為今年WHA主要要討論一個叫做Pandemic Agreement,也就是說防疫的一個大的一個協議。 |
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這個協議今年可能是WHA希望就能夠通過的。在這個協議的裡面有一個部分叫做可以除了會員國之外的話,可以設觀察員。 |
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那我們希望在這部分WHA的觀察員我們努力也是在能仍然在爭取但是對這個pandemic agreement的觀察員我們另外要希望能夠爭取因為這個跟全球的防疫有相關的台灣可以貢獻這方面的力量好 謝謝部長最後一個很快速的問題原理任期大約剩下20天請問你有沒有具體的事項在這20天你可以完成的舉個例 |
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今天的這一個我需要就是在20歲份內能夠完成。好,謝謝。所以謝謝部長。希望今天可以完成,讓變成你的畢業代表作。謝謝。謝謝。好,謝謝廖偉祥委員。接下來我們請劉建國委員質詢。謝謝主席。有請部長。好,請部長。 |
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委員黃部長的能力畢業代表說應該不只這一項,我有再多加幾項給你。 |
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我先來講一下背景資料好不好就今天委員會招來排這個兒童性剝削的條例那我想本法在這個行之達10年以上的僅33條的第二項那意圖盈利以強暴、脅迫、恐嚇、監控等等等違反其他違反本人意願之方法使兒童及少年有對價之性交或猥褻行為者 |
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我要講國內跟國外相關的一些背景資料,給部長也給在座的法院、司法院、法務部、警政署相關單位。本法在7年以上的刑者共有33條、34條、35條、36條。然後事實上在去年我們在立院,也一樣在這個委員會,有針對兒少性剝削條例進行大修。 |
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行政院版本針對三十五條將招募引誘農人、媒介、農友、協助、利用或其他或以他劃時而受性交違憲之行為以工人、關攬者從一年以上、七年以下調高為三年以上、十年以下尤其徒刑的併顧額減三百萬。這個大概在去年修法中也是刑律條例最高的一條。 |
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但是法官修完一年後,我們又拿出來要大修了。所以那一年我們到底做了什麼事情?這個是讓我們要很慎重的思考,不只是行政機關,不然我們相關的委員同事。也就是說這個是很難見的事情。 |
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對我們的修法與人民期待是不是有蠻大的落差嗎?那也甚至於說目前去年度的修法完成之後,其實沒有辦法達到任何的嚇阻的這個效果,所以今天我們才必須再來審查這個法案。那我要講這個是我們國內的一個背景資料,講國外。 |
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英國一位28歲工程師他架設相關網站,在英國被判刑入獄16年,同時被終身列為性犯罪者的名冊。在監獄胡滿後,還得進行4年的社區服刑,兩個家種是20個年度的刑期。另外美國是針對兒少性剝削,他的天花板最高可達到20年。 |
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這個應該大家都知道啦,對台灣的這個行者是真的還有蠻大的一個差距,這是國外。那我想台灣的法律的一個現狀又有一句話叫做什麼?叫做有錢破身啦,沒有錢破死啦。 |
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現在進行是,部長跟市長可以看這個例子嗎?我們針對黃紫嬌這個案子,如果依照現行法律規定,單純持有未成年性影像,法定行為一年以下有期徒刑,那檢察官以被告為初犯且坦承犯罪,說要少女隱私與權利保障本罪的刑度,被告願意支付120萬的緩起訴金,而違緩起訴並無輕重。 |
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這個是警察機關。那不僅如此,不然再看 |
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這個是從庫果裡面隨便撈出來就這樣啦齁。這近年來。紅十七歲的女網友拍裸照還騙上傳,男護理師和解陪長青或緩刑。然後引誘三高中少女拍不咬照片,男大生和解輕判緩刑四年。台中男大生利誘少年拍裸照,表弟也不忘過,和解或判緩刑。男與衛生連性行為還看私密影像,判兩年緩刑三年。 |
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那幼少女自拍裸露照片論罪和解賠錢招判一年七個月,緩刑三年。瓦斯宮幼少年去廁所拍照給我,向家長求老,賠兩萬,或判緩刑。這是現狀。現在進行是有一半生,沒一半死。所以我們在 |
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在委員會所有的委員跟所有的相關的機關把相關的行者在上一次修法大大提高之後,得到的這樣的一個效益是這樣,結果是這樣。我要提問這個是等一下在修法過程裡面是可以讓大家做一個參考的。所以我想這個我們覺得真的不能因為有錢,這個兒少性剝削就這麼樣的去處理嘛。 |
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我們在臺灣不應該這個事情再發生我覺得我們必須要提高整個這個兒童性剝削條例的行者然後在實際上的執行面到底應該怎麼處理讓他可以去這個國際零容忍這個標準這是讓大家的智慧共同來做這樣的一個思考所以我把這些事情講出來因為一個五分鐘時間很近最後一件事情 |
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在這次眾多版本中有人要提到公開犯罪人的姓名、資料我想不然不只薛部長還是黃部長涉嫌的意見是什麼等一下討論會提到但是有個重點 |
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我們在性侵害犯罪防治法 其中二十九條規定中央檢證主管機關應兼任加害人相片、指紋、去氧、核糖、核酸、記錄及個人基本資料。但是目前就僅性侵害加害人建立資料,所以我要在這邊很具體的建議,要有一個性犯罪的資料庫。 |
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現犯罪資料庫包含性剝削等等等這些,在國外早已經有這麼做。就剛剛我講的第二個英國的這個案例,這一個工程師也被他們國家列為性犯罪的名冊之內就對了。所以我希望,那公務部當然有公布一個叫做家庭暴力及性侵害電子資料庫的管理使用辦法,那僅辦法而已啦。 |
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所以以部長的經驗、以部長的法律的素養,是不是在委員之前,我可以這邊具以建議嗎?你可以來啟動這個修法研議的機制的一個作為嗎?我們現在就是在修法,但是只針對的是兒少性剝削條例。剛剛委員提到的是整個性暴力、性侵害犯罪的,那這個部分的話可能也要 |
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跟法務部這邊一起來討論一下。當然要請部長邀請他們來做看怎樣討論,但是我是說在5年之前,這個事情如果部長覺得我提供這樣的訊息,提供這樣的一個國內的病人資料是有道理的,是不是可以由你來主動的。 |
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因為如果是只有針對兒少的話,我們這一次修法的過程當中,如果大家同意就可以把他放進來了嘛。這一個禮拜要做。我的建議是這樣,是具體將性犯罪者要做一個統整啦。對。做一個統整齁,同時在緩和中也是可以明文禁止性犯罪者改名等行為嘛。 |
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所以它不是一個辦法就可以去解決啦。我的意思就是說,如果針對兒少性剝削,對兒少的這個部分的話,我們這一次修法,把它放進去是有機會的,在520之前把它完成。但是如果是要把所有的這種性犯罪、性侵害犯罪的話,可能520之前大概做不到。最起碼讓部長來啟動嘛,開始來討論了嘛,可以嗎? |
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這我們可以來討論看看。好,謝謝主席。接下來我們請黃國昌委員進行質詢。好,謝謝主席。麻煩有請衛福部的部長、法務部的代表以及司法院的代表。好,我們請以上官員上台。委員好。 |
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時間的關係我不一一問候,上一次質詢的時候處理有關於兒童及少年性剝削防制條例的問題我點出來了,實務上面的問題可能需要衛福部、法務部跟司法院大家一起坐下來好好談清楚那這件事情發生了沒有?目前還沒有什麼時候會發生? |
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請你針對問題回答我上次質詢要求的是三個部門坐下來談這件事情部長說還沒有發生我現在的問題是什麼時候會發生還是永遠不會發生 |
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我個人是贊成但更重要的事情是什麼?實務上面到底是怎麼在操作的? |
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要讓大家看得清楚現實否則的話這樣子的條文再修過一次剛剛已經有委員講了上一次修提高限度顯然沒有效果否則我們今天不會在這邊齊聚一堂針對同樣的問題再次要提修法 |
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我簡單請教一下部長我們目前就有關於不管是製造還是散播兒少性影像的罰則從衛福部的立場來講會不會覺得法定性過低?呃...持有著這一個部分啦其他的部分呢?你覺得OK?應該是...我當然這還是要由法務部這邊來去...來請法務部 |
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7067.055 |
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報告委員,我們目前看現行的法條是跟這個我們刑法的防害秘密、防害性隱私跟不實影像罪的這些刑度來相比較。目前看起來當初可能應該都有設想到它的橫平性跟比例性。剛剛齁,你講到一個重點嘛,就是討論所謂的橫平性。討論橫平性這件事情我贊成啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].start |
7068.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].end |
7090.748 |
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當問題是什麼?當問題是當我們整個刑事處罰上面整個全部都是偏低的所謂全部偏低的是我們如果有個法定刑不如一年以上七年以下三年以上十年以下五年以上十二年以下我們審判實務上面全部都是最低的刑度開始往上加我的理解正不正確 |
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| transcript.whisperx[232].end |
7117.922 |
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這個要看個案判斷好!我等一下馬上給你看個案喔!法律人啊!在國會殿堂就講實話啦!法律人在國會殿堂就講實話啦!來我進一步請教一徒盈利犯前二項之罪依各該條項的規定加重其刑之二分之一加重是怎麼加重的?例如說六月以上五年以下有期徒刑加重最低刑度是多少? |
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7119.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
7124.55 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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7136.13 |
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來先說,跟委員說明,那我們因為現在的法律規定加重至二分之一,因為這個至,所以事務上穩定的見解是認為說最高刑度最高可以提到二分之一。我剛剛在問的是最低。最低刑度有加重即可。有加重即可嘛。這件事情你要告訴所有的立法委員啊。 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].start |
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7185.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[235].text |
加重期刑之二分之一是最低刑度六個月只要有加七個月開始就可以了嘛所有法官在量刑的時候都是從最低開始做的嘛這個審判的實務要讓所有的立法委員知道嗎要不然大家拼了命的在搞那個最高刑度有什麼用在審判實務上到底造成什麼衝擊啊來我帶大家看一下這個是美國法兒少性剝削的 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].start |
7186.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].end |
7213.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[236].text |
僱用、勸說、引誘、兒少、製造性影像出犯15年以上、30年以下如果有一次性犯罪的前科第二次再犯25年以上、50年以下如果有兩次性犯罪的前科第三次犯35年以上無期徒刑如果在這個過程當中導致人家死亡的話死刑無期徒刑30年以上有期徒刑這是美國立法者的立法技術 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].start |
7215.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].end |
7237.543 |
| transcript.whisperx[237].text |
如果是散播販賣意圖販賣而持有兒少的現影像出犯五年以上、二十年以下有一次前科十五年以上、四十年以下這個是人家的立法技術他在處罰的是什麼要徹底的保護兒少避免受到數位性暴力、性剝削人家是這樣在幹的 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].start |
7239.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].end |
7268.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[238].text |
來看一下我國的審判實務長成什麼樣子來我以具體的例子我不跟你們談抽象的問題我以具體的例子有一個性侵犯出獄了以後出獄了以後他繼續什麼仲介人家去旅館賣淫仲介人家去旅館賣淫以後這個是累犯喔仲介兩個女子到兩個不同的旅館去賣淫一個判六個月一個判四個月應執行有期徒刑八個月定執行刑嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].end |
7296.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
一顆髮金一千元折算一天等於是繳多少錢這件事情就結束了繳八萬塊這件事情就結束了不要以為這樣就停止喔這樣的處罰對他有沒有嚇阻的效力我老實跟大家報告完全沒有嚇阻的效力所以他出來了以後繼續幹什麼把我們兒少的性影像上傳到網站台灣女學生智慧小女生脫衣服累犯 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].start |
7297.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
7304.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[240].text |
判多久?各處有期徒刑三個月一顆罰金均以一千元折算一致。所以總共罰多少錢? |
| transcript.whisperx[241].start |
7306.687 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].end |
7332.553 |
| transcript.whisperx[241].text |
總共罰多少錢?一個罪三萬塊解決搞到他什麼?墊本加厲越來越離譜再度誘使欺民而上製造性影像傳到網站上面去結果是用我們的刑法累犯來看怎麼加重的到第二審的時候三年以上有期徒刑法定刑的罪第一個未滿12歲的女童第二審判三年 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].start |
7333.513 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].end |
7361.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[242].text |
第二個未滿16歲的少女三年四個月七個被害人加起來最後定職刑刑多少?四年。多一個被害人邊際效用不斷的降低。七個被害人喔!七個被害人定職刑什麼?四年。累犯加重加到哪裡去啊?就像剛行...剛司法院的法官講的啊有加重就好嘛! |
| transcript.whisperx[243].start |
7362.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].end |
7387.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[243].text |
這個是我們現在的刑事司法政策啊但我們要徹底反省的是什麼這樣的刑事司法政策是在保護被害人嗎還是在鼓勵加害人繼續幹繼續搞沒有關係啊我們的刑事司法體系對於這種一而再再而三放案的人是如此的寬容啊這是為什麼社會憤怒的原因啊部長同不同意 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].start |
7390.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].end |
7411.986 |
| transcript.whisperx[244].text |
這的確是在實務上面如果是有這樣子的情形的話可能是社會上面比較不能...主席站起來吼相關的討論我們等一下進主條的時候我們一件一件來一對這是為什麼我要求衛福部、法務部跟司法院不要三個藝人一把號各吹各的調你們三個部門統合起來實踐的結果 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].start |
7414.13 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].end |
7441.149 |
| transcript.whisperx[245].text |
就是我今天這個個案讓這個加害人哪裡有什麼警哪哪裡有任何的警惕哪裡有任何的意旨哪裡有任何的處罰這個體系是在鼓勵他你繼續搞沒有關係啊我們的司法體系對你很寬容啊但這個是社會可以忍受的嗎我可能拜託吼等一下進主條的時候三個部門三個部門的人要認真的面對這件事情謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].start |
7442.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7449.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
好 謝謝那等一下王育民委員質詢結束之後我們休息五分鐘接下來我們請林淑芬委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].start |
7460.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].end |
7476.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[247].text |
我已經連續三個禮拜在這裡談到說土法不足以自刑那這個禮拜日的《林和報》也做了幾篇報導其中有一個案子是徵選上臺大研究所的林和俊他誘騙了81名的少女自拍裸照等等 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].start |
7476.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].end |
7499.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
但是因為和解等理由法院針對81件的犯刑各判刑一年兩個月一年四個月累計81件受害者累計超過百年的刑期最後宣告執行的刑期是6年6年所以這個事情就是我們一直在講這個多麼的不成比例 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].start |
7499.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].end |
7520.99 |
| transcript.whisperx[249].text |
不成比例是在這裡,包括當天聯合報報導說一名不亞片遭上網販售的少女說:「我的人生怎麼辦?能不能追回影片?」她是在九歲的時候被偷拍上網的新影像,流傳了多年仍然難以完全下架,她的長期的心理影響壓力幾乎崩潰。 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[250].end |
7547.965 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
那我們今天在講說其實這個司法輕重加害者讓受害者再被傷害這件事情非常嚴重而我們今天去年才大修今天又要來大修又要來加重到底是加多重我們今天要討論幾個面向是不是請我們這個法務部還有警政署好來請法務部警政署的代表上台 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
7550.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].end |
7563.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].text |
主席法務部一個參事警政署一個副組長這種層級也到立法院來這個真的是一個重視兒少性剝削防治法的這個防治條例的修法的層級嗎參事 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].start |
7567.438 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].end |
7579.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
我不知道怎麼問了。所以我告訴你,目前專責,我們依照法律,依照性剝削防制條例第五條,應該要設有專責人員,還要有來辦案。請問一下, |
| transcript.whisperx[253].start |
7584.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7611.592 |
| transcript.whisperx[253].text |
像去年整個違反這個兒童性剝削第36、39條等等的啦他的案件增加到2903件,現在專責人員足夠嗎?而且網路APP、社群社團、線上遊戲、手遊這麼多網路又拐又使拍攝性剝削影像的重要的這個問題這麼多,我們如果查緝有沒有補充人力的需要?人力夠不夠? |
| transcript.whisperx[254].start |
7614.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
7616.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
你知道嗎?這個警政署。謝謝委員。報告委員,我們現在專責偵辦的機關是在刑事局是由針酒大隊。我現在問你說人力夠不夠啦!我不是問你哪一個單位啦!我們依照法律各地方檢察署、警察機關都要指定專業訓練的專責人員辦理本條例事件欸! |
| transcript.whisperx[255].start |
7643.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7664.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
到底這五年來,不管法務部或警政署,這五年來經過專業訓練的專責人員的人數大概有多少?你告訴我,你們有多少專責人員訓練過的?是,跟委員報告,我們只要是專責單位,甚至我們的這個分局的偵查對同人,我們都必須要受到...我現在問的是專責人員啊!是。我們分局都有專責的...全國有多少人啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[256].start |
7671.73 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7676.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
我們總共有1500位這些都是我們定期會受專業訓練的專業 我在講專責人力專責 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].start |
7682.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7707.271 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
所以我們今天講說進傳媒有一篇報導他們就指出了台灣的警政機關卻沒有成立數位性犯罪的專責單位然後受害者去報出派出所或警局報案的經驗往往不佳警員也欠缺專業的知識輕忽案件的嚴重性而且現在大多數什麼你們專責人力一千多個不要再講了胡扯 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].start |
7707.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].end |
7734.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
各縣市的婦幼隊在辦理的居多啦,婦幼隊,也不是專責單位啦。謝謝委員。跟委員報告就是說,其實我們有考慮到被害人的臨近性,會在派出所來受理報案,但是我們的專責人員,包括我們的家防官以及分局的專責刑事人員,都會及時的介入相關的案件。專責還兼職,兼辦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].start |
7739.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].end |
7754.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[259].text |
專責還是兼辦?你們有編制專責的嗎?不要在這裡硬拗了。警政署必須要整合附幼及科技人才,要成立專責單位。我們現在已經講到要成立專責單位了。所以在這裡我們是不是在請這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[260].end |
7760.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[260].text |
警政署也必須整合附幼及科技專才,成立專責單位,而且要設置數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫。 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].start |
7782.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].end |
7803.233 |
| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
因為他認為就是說性暴力他把影像犯罪者不會只有拍一兩部啦。報犯罪的手法多名受害者卻沒有被調查。很多的犯罪手法包括這個有沒有對價給錢的模式。其實一談一下都會發現說其實背後都是一個集團在製作。所以他們犯罪的手法然後人都有慣性。 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].start |
7804.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].end |
7831.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
所以用手的同樣的手法會一直用所以集中描繪就能知道是同一批人在做所以要成立全國資料庫你覺得呢如果說這個資料庫指的是對於這些有前科的犯罪的手法等等這樣子的內容的蒐集我覺得這有必要但是如果指的是現影像的資料庫這恐怕要不是啦這些這些 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].start |
7833.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].end |
7853.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
數位性暴力案件的全國資料庫找出背後的集團還有他們的模式化還有是不是同一批人不斷地在累犯然後再犯這樣子所以我再問一個就是說我們這幾年大家講創意私訪以外有沒有其他性犯罪產業的網站被破獲?好來檢警 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].start |
7860.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
7887.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
因為都是慣性嘛,這個模式也會是類似的。依照警政署的統計,我們確實有其他相關的網站被查獲。我在講性犯罪產業網站拍攝兒少影像的組織還有沒有?報告有。啊,多少?大概有多少?比如說像觸感空間,其實也是我們在同一時間。對啦,我說多少件? |
| transcript.whisperx[265].start |
7889.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
7908.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
因為非常嚴重,你們到底是抓到過幾個?好,沒關係,到時候再問。來,我們再呈上一題,這個衛福部,請問部長,衛福部有沒有統計違反兒童性剝削條例,這個再犯率有多高?再犯率? |
| transcript.whisperx[266].start |
7911.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].end |
7930.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
災害人的再犯率?這個部分是沒有去做統計的,我們只知道說當期有多少的案件這樣子。那我是不是要問這個,因為我們第51條裡面講說這個還起訴的啦,或者是被判有罪的,其實都要受這個輔導教育,知道嗎?但輔導教育到底有沒有用啊? |
| transcript.whisperx[267].start |
7931.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].end |
7932.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
報告委員目前我們是沒有這樣的一個統計資料沒有 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].start |
7955.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
7973.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
好,你們通通都沒有。我們為什麼講這個呢?法務部經常用還起訴、不起訴的處分率去縱放。然後司法院動輒就以刑法第五十九條裡面這個減輕期刑。那常常裁判的理由就是說他出犯了,期刑可免啊。但是你們沒有統計這個再犯率。 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].start |
7977.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
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換言之,這個檢查部門他是緩起訴,但是他的輔導教育有沒有效,不知道。再犯率多高,不知道。然後就這樣繼續的輕放。然後這個有罪的也要上課,那上課有用嗎?也是沒有用啊。所以我們在這裡說,主管機關應該要進一步去檢視。 |
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緩起訴、減輕期刑到底有沒有道理啊?老師說我們是覺得沒有道理啦所以主席允許我這個兩分鐘我做一個事情我現在講說我們從社工的視角就是去年的青少年犯罪防治研究期有一篇以社工人員當視角去討論就是說兒少性剝削私密影像案件的需求評估和處理困境的研究然後他們發現說流程上 |
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在處理這個整個案件的通報還有這個受理還有這整個司法程序的過程裡面流程上應該減少受創的風險以關注兒少身心和隱私因為網路特性他的私密影片其實沒有辦法徹底根除很容易讓兒少陷入循環式的創傷當中所以他們訪問了七個社工員然後有兩個社工指出在第一線介入處遇服務的經驗裡面筆錄過程當中的指認 |
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而讓兒少在社工人員、警方人員甚至在父母自己父母的面前卻去承認說是命一項就是我本人恐怕會讓兒少在製作筆錄當下感到甩甩不安而且對兒少來講可能會 |
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此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷的風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷的風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷的風險。此事為加深其對事件更為嚴重的創傷的風險。 |
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而避免這個兒少心理在受創傷當成包庇加害者的理由這個也都是很荒謬的事情但是雖然是當成包庇加害者的理由不過不要讓這個受害者心理在創傷這件事情真的是值得注意所以我們在今天列寫的各個單位不論是主責社工的衛福部 |
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他們一輩子的傷,恐怕也是難以回復的一生,都要留下這個陰影的。好,我們進主條可以再繼續討論,謝謝林委員。那我們希望說,下一次我們主條的時候,你要給我看債範率,我們要看債範率,就知道政府導教育不好,過去重判,重判,而且土法不足以自省,檢審的專業,還有檢審的態度很重要。好,我們謝謝林委員。 |
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好,接下來我們請陳俊宇委員質詢。好,謝謝主席。我們先請司法院跟法務部的代表。 |
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請司法院及法務部代表上台。 |
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好 謝謝今天我們要審查有關這個兒童及少年性剝削的防制條例的相關條文那我想不論是兒少遭受到性剝削或是私密影像在網路上的散佈都是不能夠忍受的也應該被積極的被嚇死那從今天各委員會所提供的這 |
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則三十六案當中也可以看到,不管是對於拍攝還是散佈,無正當的理由持有或購買。兒少性影像者大多希望能夠提高刑法和罰金,來嚇止相關犯罪行為。 |
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本席在這個兩週前司法法制委員會審查這個額內相關修法時質詢過我們法務部提到過相關的這個刑度加重法官不一定會判重的問題當時我們蔡次長回應不是再加重不加重的問題是法官敢不敢下手那不曉得我們今天司法院的代表對於這樣的看法您的認知是怎麼樣 |
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報告委員我想對於這每個個案比如說今天我們在審兒少性剝削防制條例那這個方向上是朝就是加重刑罰那我想最主要目的其實要防制兒少性剝削尤其是數位暴力的這樣一個性隱私影像的維護這個方向司法院一直一直以來都是 |
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因為司法院也是要去踐行兒童權利公約防制兒少被剝削,尤其在數位的時期。可是一直沒有看到作為?跟委員報告就是因為司法院其實尤其是我們在立法院備詢,那從司法行政的立場,那去讓每一個法官認識到兒少性剝削它的內涵跟它的重要性。那我們每年在法官學院大概都有強化這方面的課程。 |
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那我們之前也有曾經希望能夠去完成這個就是良形的一個妥適良形法草案。那這部分等一下如果有需要的話,可以請主法官可以進一步說明。那我們從司法院這個112年的這個統計資料來看,我們違反兒少性剝削的案件,地方法院一審的裁判結果當中, |
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我們以最大宗的拍攝製造性交猥褻的這個物品罪來看,也就是兒少性剝削條例第36條所規範的範圍,在去年的這個324件裡頭,大概半數都是判一年到兩年以下的有期徒刑。 |
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那以社會大眾在看,會覺得怎麼常常會有輕判的這種情況發生,能判到五年甚至十年的是少之又少。還是說我們這個兒童性剝削相關的案件實務上不容易重判?我想請教我們司法院的代表跟法務部的代表,你們的觀察是不是這樣子? |
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跟委員報告就是剛剛前面有委員也垂詢到這個部分因為每個個案經過檢察官起訴之後檢察官其實也會這個就求刑的部分也會提出一些檢察官的意見那法官會去進行這些刑法57條的這些量刑的各項的審酌的因子那所以我們才會希望能夠大院能夠盡快的針對我們的一個妥適量刑 |
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議員林岱樺 |
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法務部代表根委員報告據我們的觀察這個法官的良心通常就是參考他的情節的輕重就是刑法57條所列的事項他的動機、目的、手段還有他的犯後態度等等 |
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而加上可能是這個刑責的他本身的法定刑的輕重還有過去法官對同樣的法定刑的罪責過去是怎麼判的這個一個參考所以可能會有一個這樣的一個參組還有包括公共利益的考量所以這樣的一個刑度的判斷 |
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應該是還是看每個情節跟個案的狀況以上。那你們兩位會不會覺得說我們目前台灣的這個判例來講,跟國外來相比我們的判例這個刑責太輕了,會不會? |
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跟委員這個就是提供這樣的因為每個個案其實都不太一樣那譬如說行為人跟被害人之間是不是認識那或者是譬如說像我們的兒童性剝削裡面其實也有家人之間的那所以我覺得說每個個案情況是不同的 |
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但是有一點是確定的就是我們對於兒少的這些權益的保護我們其實是做的真的是不夠那未來如果希望能夠透過這樣的一個修法那希望我們可以去對於這類型的不管是他的犯罪情況能夠有一個更科學的一個良心調查的一個專法那也就是妥協良心法希望也能夠早日的完成立法以上 |
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好,本席還是認為我們臺灣目前的這個對於兒少性剝削的相關法則太輕了,還是有提高的這個必要。但是在修法之後法官在量刑上是不是能夠跟著提高我們尊重法官審判的獨立,但也期待修法能夠真正有效來嚇阻犯罪,我相信這才是我們大家所期待的一個目標。好,以上。 |
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好 謝謝接下來我們請王振旭委員質詢謝謝主席有請薛部長好請薛部長 |
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委員長好 隊長好今天的題目真的很沉重在開始今天相關的議題之前有一個部分還是請部長再確認一下就是有關於衛福部修正居家托育防治指引的部分因為這部分也提到說針對兒童個案的問題 |
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憑依一年年發展遲緩,安置出兩童,三類全日托兒童,針對於兩類保母包括收視負擔重,稱有不當對待者之兩類保母,要從訪視頻率從四次提高至六次。 |
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那如果依照現在的數據來看的話,到底有這個全入托統計的人數會差不多有多少?那目前我們這個居福中心防制人員的人力是否可以足夠來因應?做過這個部分的調理以後,能夠有足夠的人力,包括他們的教育訓練是否能夠迅速的提升?因為看起來5月1號就要上路,5月1號就是後天,是。 |
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這部分是因為也有跟地方都討論過,一起開會做的決定。在人力方面的話,目前應該是經過這個地方的社會局確認的,所以應該是沒有問題。教育訓練的部分的話,事實上, |
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最重要的是我們還有一個工作要做就是要發展出來去訪視的時候的這個要對一些指引就一些check in list要看什麼樣的東西那這個部分的話會是更有效的一個教育訓練是我們希望能夠確實的落實不然的話到時候就很可惜增加這個人力可是沒辦法把事情做好 |
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委員長 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人� |
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這部分我還分兩個,第一個我講的不是兩週內那個招標,是兩週內去完成招標的文件。完成招標文件出來之後的話,那接下來才有可能就是說去公告、去做招標這樣的一個動作。所以整個決標可能是要一段時間,大概一個月大概跑不掉,這是第一點。 |
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第二點,在這個過渡期,現行的機制裡面也是有。現在網路巡查的目的是主動去發現有這種網站類型的,並不是那種單一的影片上傳。那個大概巡查沒有辦法那麼細緻的去巡查到,主要是網站類型的。 |
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那網站類型的話那是我們主要的那以目前來講的話當然會比較困難那不過我們還是要盡力啦因為透過一些檢舉我們還是可以收集到一些資料是如果多一點申訴管道相對就有更多的原眾可以一起來參與謝謝那再過來就是有關於相關的研究真的很希望非常希望主管機關好好的來把這個事情做好 |
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看到問題如果沒有研究去支撐如何去因應的話其實我們這些改變可能會很辛苦那再過來就是有關於這個源頭杜絕的部分那其實婦女保障基金會曾經統計有六成左右這些影像的生成可能是自願合一當然會包括右邊在裡面 |
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那這一部分如果我們希望能夠把這個不拍、不傳、不留這樣能夠落實的話事實上從源頭去管理相對這個風險就會低很多那這一部分我們有更好的可行性嗎? |
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這當然老實講現在這種世衛性暴力的案件也就是性影像的這一個的話已經是佔我們整個兒少剝削的性剝削的八成以上了那表示說這個發展非常的快 |
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那重點就是說因為他用的是數位方式數位方式的話那第一個傳播快那第二個的話就是要去查要去查很難那閃的非常快所以主要要去處理這個沒有辦法從源頭去杜絕的話要看科技的方式啦 |
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好,所以我們是真的希望需要有好的研究來看這個事情,好,謝謝。再過來就是韓國他們好像做得很徹底,那不知道在台灣這樣的做法會不會有哪一些的一些遙遙在注意的地方,那我們也期待不管是在法務部或者是在相關單位, |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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議員林岱樺 |
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PAPS現在主要是對於環境的傷害,比較多的是在這部分。那對於人體的部分的話,目前研究還相當有限,還沒有辦法說很正面的去證實說它對人體會造成什麼樣的影響。 |
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王明明委員 |
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謝謝主席。我們是有請薛部長。 |
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部長好。部長,我還是要先請教你死案的問題。我上個禮拜有追保齡案,現在已經增加到四人死亡。但是到目前為止,我看剛剛你回答媒體的是說法務部並沒有主動跟你報告現在案件的最新進度。也就是從本席上個禮拜詢問到現在,你們兩個部會 |
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這並不是部會,就是說因為檢察官他是獨立在做這個偵查的。那他的進度都沒有人可以掌握嗎?到目前偵辦到什麼進度,連部長都不能掌握?那個法務部的代表,來。 |
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這個已經是四個人死亡這個是在食安事件上面非常重大的事件那現在偵辦的進度都沒有給外界一個合理的報告跟說明我覺得這個也不符合比例原則吧目前到底偵辦到哪裡?要結案了嗎?一個多月過去了 |
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跟委員報告目前我們的資料是臺北地檢、新北地檢、士林地檢署都有案件在偵辦中那檢察官有保全了相關的證據相關的被告也有詢問了部分也有一些強制處分的作為但是這個部分因為我們得尊重假官的偵辦瞭解大家外界想要知道就是說到底是什麼原因造成的 |
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這這麼重大的實案事件,到底是什麼原因造成的?結果查了半天一個多月過去了,沒有人知道耶。真的會變無頭公案,我覺得這個其實會很荒謬,就是我們用這麼大的力氣,大家這麼關注,結果到目前為止沒有辦法給外界一個交代。已經四個人死亡,這麼重大的事件。 |
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檢察官有掌握目前有掌握,如果衛生單位有相關採檢項目,要看他們的檢驗狀況,可能檢察官有掌握,但是我們這裡就沒有辦法去探尋。我希望這件事情你們應該,我上個禮拜就問齁。 |
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像類似這麼重大的事件,然後政府機關沒有人可以知道最新的進度,也沒有辦法事實的一個階段對外去說明,我覺得這個是完全不對的。這是食安事件,這不是涉及到個人的犯罪問題,什麼偵查不公開,而是大家想要知道說你到底對於源頭,你問了廚師,問了什麼檢驗所有的東西,到底現在最新掌握到的是什麼,可能的方向是什麼,結果都沒有答案。 |
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到目前為止,都沒有答案。我覺得這個是不對的。另外,我希望這個法務部回去要好好檢討。另外一個是,這個食安一爆再爆,一百七十公斤的黑胡椒細粉,業者主動送驗,又驗出有蘇丹色素三號、四號。這個到底漏網之旅從哪裡來的?我們邊境不是百分之百都已經擋下來了嗎? |
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因為它的效期去往前推算,它的效期應該有三年。現在自主送驗的這一個,我們已經去追它的上游,上游廠商。上游廠商他們的資料顯示就是說這一批進來的時間應該是在我們全面的百分之百檢驗之前就已經進來。更之前,那他怎麼這個時候才想到送驗? |
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但是我記得你們食藥署有說你們有往前推估啊?對,我們有往前推三年嘛,但是那三年的時候主要是對於辣椒粉。 |
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所以黑胡椒細粉是不在你們...沒有往前推三年的這個...後來我們是連這個...黑胡椒細粉都有?那你們推到什麼時候?有沒有在你們原本要去檢驗的時間範圍之內?有。 |
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這一家有沒有?這一家我們還在查,因為他東西都已經賣完了。上游的廠商啦,進口的廠商。對,如果這一家驗出來的真的是有蘇丹色素的話,那我高度懷疑。 |
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蘇甘紅他污染的就不是只有胡椒粉嗎?黑胡椒粉就是他其實也都有添加,那如果是黑胡椒粉也有添加的話,他的範圍擴大可能還有更多,那你應該要通知其他的有進口黑胡椒細粉的啊,表示還有更多。 |
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對!不是只有這一家喔!看起來那個就是一個都會添加的一個樣板。這個跟委員報告,這個目前我們也在復驗當中,因為他送驗的那個機構出來的檢驗紙是在那個……偏低嗎? |
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對,就是在檢驗極限的那附近,所以我們必須要再復檢。第二個比較奇怪的是,它有蘇丹三號也有蘇丹四號。同時兩個色號?對,這也非常…那你們什麼時候可以盡快查出來?我們應該看看這個禮拜能不能就把它驗出來,驗出來之後的話就事情會比較清楚,但是那些預防性的下架我們都已經在做了。 |
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好,這個因為你們之前已經對外宣告說已經正式結案,然後蘇丹紅市面上不會再找到,結果現在又來一次,而且還170公斤,我覺得這個食安漏洞,這個部長希望在你卸任之前,這個所有的漏洞在查驗的過程、檢驗的方法,你應該要全力的把這個洞補好,好不好? |
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9380.005 |
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此事非常重要。 |
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9437.496 |
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主動去尋查的權利另外一個就是即時下架過去是這樣子很緩慢的一層又一層那我希望透過這一次的修法我們就是只要有一旦主動發現或者是接受檢舉都可以在最快的時間即時下架這個才是對於受害者最大的一個保護我希望這兩點在這次修法裡面都可以做到那希望衛福部全力來配合這一次的修法好不好好謝謝 |
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好,謝謝王委員。 |
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主席,我們有請法務部檢察司、我們駐主任檢察官以及司法院少年及家事廳的陸法官。好,來,請。 |
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9505.346 |
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台中地檢署偵辦台版N號法案,檢方除了依據兒少性剝削防制條例來偵辦之外,也把SCP論壇幹部供應者視為組織犯罪來偵辦。法務部,用這種模式,未來會不會成為檢方打擊性影像犯罪的常態手段? |
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不好意思,相請跟委員確認一下,是說組織犯罪嗎?是用組織犯罪嗎?對,你們現在是用這條法令來辦嘛,對不對?對,那就是,其實就是檢察官會試個案的情節跟事證。那,因為其實組織犯罪條例它有像的,就是它有自己的定義。那如果是符合這個定義,檢察官就會使用。那這個部分有必要要修法嗎?呃,其實,我們是認為說其實組織犯罪條例就已經有規定了。所以檢察官其實是可以直接使用。但是這個部分,我覺得沒有寫得很清楚,不是嗎? |
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我現在不是不讓你們用反對說你們用這種方式來偵辦我也贊成但只是說我覺得這個部分是不是要再討論如果說有修法的必要我想我們應該要朝著這個修法的態度來做這樣子對於我們執法的人也會比較明確那另外 |
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民團認為兒童性影像犯罪逐年修法加重刑度,但是卻經常面臨司法輕重,甚至有三成案件以勤勘憐憫、為偷拍者減刑,成為防制的破口。請問今天出席的司法院少年及家事廳代表,您的看法如何? |
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謝謝委員。關於委員垂詢就是刑度這個部分的話,原則上司法院這邊我們尊重個案法官在個案裡面的認識用法。那我們一定會在法定刑的範圍內進行妥適的量刑。你像這一次台中檢方生壓SCP論壇案的主嫌,一度被法院以無管轄權駁回,然後經抗告成功才收押。 |
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另外過去這種事情也不只是一次,面對這種問題大家都是罰錢了事。那麼去年修法後仍然是一年以下的徒刑。那本席也希望司法人員對於這類犯罪能夠有更深一層的認識,不能再用這也沒什麼的思維來侵犯這樣的、來用這種角度、這種態度來辦案。好不好? |
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另外我們針對今天討論的主題也是在111年4月29日第四屆推動小組第五次的會議就有民團委員提案要求政府與國外知名網路業者Google還有Meta合作快速移除含有未成年個資照片、影像等資料當然衛福部在後來也在第六次的會議報告兩個重點第一點衛福部認為透過 |
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哀慰還有與平台業者合作可有效處理及時下架的事宜第二衛福部表示網路平台業者對於兒少性影像移除及下架事宜認為執行無虞結果現在看起來是非常諷刺因為真正遇到問題時就是沒有辦法下架我想問題出在哪裡你知道嗎 |
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9721.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
法定人數不足 |
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安運處理的是兒少不宜觀看的貴滿18禁的這些內容後來在性影像的議題上面後來我們成立了性影像處理中心去做通知讓網路業者移除下降如果他有留資訊可以通知得到基本上他的移除率是高的 |
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9782.358 |
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但是現在大家都是用跳的嘛,不是嗎?你到後來都追不到人啊。封了之後他會用VPN,那這個部分的確目前的技術上面還沒有一個可行的方式。我認為,既然要管,我們就管的徹底一點,不能讓這些犯罪者有漏洞可以鑽。那是不是希望在這個部分上,我們來想過一個辦法,能夠嚴格來執行,好嗎?朝這個方向努力,是。 |
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那再來齁,我請衛福部,你們請回。喔等一下啊,一分鐘。那我想齁,在上週六,民團上凱道集會遊行,您知道吧?那當然政府提出 |
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| transcript.whisperx[348].end |
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應成立兒少權益辦公室。據本席瞭解,行政院已經在103年就設置行政院兒童及少年福利與權益推動小組,在蔡政府任內由林萬義政務委員擔任召集人,到現在已經將近8年召開24次會議。您覺得專案辦公室與專案推動小組的功能有沒有不一樣? |
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| transcript.whisperx[349].end |
9848.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[349].text |
應該以現在的機制在做推動的話,也沒有什麼自愛難行的。所以部長覺得說這樣子是好的?但為什麼大家都感覺不到它的存在,才會提這個案子? |
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| transcript.whisperx[350].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[350].text |
這部分的話大概如果要在行政院再成立一個辦公室的話那第一個就是他會有跌創家屋的問題還有齁那我覺得啦齁我覺得就是這個部分呢應該再加強齁然後加強來表就是運作齁然後我們推動小組至今都沒有和數位發展部這邊來請他們來參與齁這部分您覺得有沒有必要提出來 |
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這一次會增加啦我希望部長趕快把這個雖然520要到了那很多事情我覺得還是我們當一天和尚念一天經那還有最後我也看到說我們衛福部的討論提案的次數在這麼多年來只有一次而且是110年4月20號的事情 |
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內容是針對兒童死因分析的協調。這是不是表示我們衛福部推動兒童權益保障做得很好,還是幾乎沒有做?事實上大部分我們都是用一個報告案的方式去提的。在這個小組裡面的委員,有一些是民間來的專家代表,提案大部分是由他們來提。 |
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好啦,時間也到了啦,我也不耽誤大家時間,那請部長真的把這個事情當作認真一點,把它好好的來執行貫徹好不好?好,謝謝。好,謝謝邱委員,我們現在休息五分鐘。 |
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9954.429 |
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| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
蘇清泉委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[356].end |
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好,謝謝主席。我請最辛苦的部長。好,辛苦的薛部長。委員好。部長,辛苦啦。嘛、嘛、嘛。共敵萬萬。 |
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10332.766 |
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我覺得你的柔軟度也夠,不過現在回歸醫療也是好事啦,看你今天很開心的樣子,我也替你高興。 |
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10337.98 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].end |
10339.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[358].text |
委員現在問的是性侵嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[359].end |
10390.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[359].text |
性侵其實的確發生在熟人中間是比較多問題是一邊是小孩子一邊可能是小孩可能是大人如果兩個都是小孩子那就是我們經常在講的那個兩小無猜的案件那一類的處理的模式跟大人對小孩子是不太一樣 |
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我覺得可責性比較高的是大人對小孩子。那大人對小孩仍然是以熟人為主。那這個就要去考慮到說,那對小孩子的保護是誰?如果是保護者來侵犯他,那這個就是那個惡性更高,但是更難防。 |
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那如果只是熟識、熟人,他還有保護者在,那就是要看保護者到底他有沒有盡到這個保護的責任,是不是在這方面有缺陷。所以這部分的話就是我們需要去努力的方向。這個監護人? |
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檢護人如果本身是加害者,那不得了嗎?那個真的是非常危險。如果是熟人的話,事實上小孩子抵抗的能力幾乎是沒有。對,就是他的保護人要來盡責。那這樣的話,我們行政單位或者是檢警單位有什麼補強的地方? |
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講這個比較清楚啦,那個跟藍綠也沒關係啦,跟意識形態也沒關係,就是天天在發生的,常常在發生,有沒有什麼好方法?這個一方面當然就是說所謂的他的保護者的這種情形,那如果說保護者沒有辦法達到、做到這個保護的話,那這個部分的話就是要有機會讓他至少能夠通報出來啦。 |
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我們經常看到就是母親帶著小孩子,但是他又另外有一個同居人,同居人要對這個做侵害,所以母親就會沒有辦法去做這個保護的事情。但是至少要讓他能夠通報出來,把小孩子移開,不要再放在這個家庭裡面。 |
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所以這個後續,這真的是一個網,這個網是非常非常重要。我們這個兒少現在這個是保護又歸到衛務部來,那衛務部本身你又沒有公權力, |
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檢警單位又...應該是公權力是有啦,但是有許多強制力是比較有不足啦。那個檢調都推來推去,因為主責是你們齁,不像加拿大,加拿大是由警政來主責。那我們就檢方親來親去都在搜集你們,所以你們有辦法... |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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這個部分當然我們目前也這個法也正要修嘛那這方面當然是可以但是在實務運作上面的話恐怕法律在怎麼樣定都沒有辦法定的非常的仔細還是變成是要有一些這種執法規或者是說一個協調的一個機制來處理啦不然你覺得稍微大法律比較頂都頂不住啦 |
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我們今天禮拜三要修法的四個方向第一個就是加重刑責第二個是簡化封網的流程該封就馬上封然後第三個就是復會的觀賞兒少影像加重刑責 |
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第四個重要授權政府主動搜索相關網站跟金流提高罰則、賀止源頭去做這些傷害兒童、青少年的事但沒有更主動的偵查、主動尋網、積極掌握源頭的方法嗎?要被害人檢舉、民眾檢舉這種被動的做法 |
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黃不勝防,所以要怎麼主動的偵查,這個是我們更重要的議題。 |
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所以科技方面相關的技術要怎麼樣引進來,我們希望在這一次的修法裡面,第一個可以來授權我們做這件事情,第二個要用什麼樣的方法,在各部會之間看看有目前科技的進展到什麼程度可以怎麼樣做。 |
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黨團提的修早上我念過,我本人的三十九條我們好自取也是很贊同,所以大家要一起來啦。好,謝謝。好,謝謝蘇星泉委員。那我們上午的質詢就到陳英委員質詢結束後我們就休息。下午一點半我們繼續質詢。接下來我們請黃秀芳委員進行質詢。 |
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謝謝主席,我們請警政署、然後還有法務部司法院的我們這個相關人員。好來,以上三個單位的代表請上台。 |
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委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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厲似這樣的一個案件也有超過兩成以上是還起訴或者是不起訴那法院在審理這類的案件當中有三成以上是就是用減刑所以許多被害人因為這個家人害怕就是說會 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案 案。 |
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我們看到是如果是上升的話那其實還有很多應該是有黑數有的人是不敢報案我是不是請警政署針對這一部分先回應一下謝謝委員那委員關心的事情依照我們的統計跟了解比如說112年我們總共有通報跟查獲1620件的兒少性剝削案件那當中 |
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簽涉到這個拍攝製造兒少性影像的是有859件,佔了53%。那散佈、播送還有販售的部分是367件,佔所有案件的22.65。那其實也跟委員報告,就是說依照我們的瞭解,其實對於這些被害人性影像如果遭受到散播的可能。 |
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議員林岱樺 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具 |
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好,那我想請教,就是說其實你剛剛有講了說有的被害人他第一時間可能就會通報這個衛福部的這個性影像處理中心嘛。是。那其實我看到這個性影像處理中心的這個通報案件跟你們警政署的這個通報案件是有一些落差的。 |
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是。是。是。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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是,跟委員報告我想就是說像剛剛跟您報告就是說如果被害人他是成年的話他可能會牽涉到告訴乃論的案件只要到警察機關來報案我們一定會去協助他到性影像中心去處理下架事宜那性影像中心他如果接受到民眾的一些檢舉或是他主動查獲他也會轉知警政單位我們去做後續的偵查 |
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請教警政署這一邊,其實很多基層辦案的同仁他們都說,就是要查緝網路性犯罪的警察很少,有這方面專精的警員確實是很少,那有的IP他是設在境外。 |
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所以有時候就是說他跨境要追查是有他的難度。所以我是想請教就是說像這類的案件偵辦有相當的困難那警政署目前查緝的這個網路性犯罪的人力編制到底有多少人? |
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謝謝委員。我想相關案件絕對需要經驗的累積。那這個部分其實我們也一直在辦教育訓練當中。到底有多少人?你這邊可以回覆嗎?目前我們在中央是由刑事局的針灸大隊。那如果縣市的話,我們的專責單位是婦幼隊以及科技偵查大隊。 |
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那副處長你會不會認為就是說因為人力的問題造成查緝困難,這個是原因之一?這個要跟委員報告就是說其實每一個案件要能夠有相當的事證,絕對需要時間讓我們同仁去做一些偵辦。 |
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所以你認為這個人力是不是還需要再增加,或者是說你們現有的人力那也要再去培育,或者是可能在這方面的這個經驗,或者是這些可能要再累積。我是希望就是說,其實很多基層的警員這樣反應,就是說其實查緝也不是那麼容易,那人力編組確實是非常的少。 |
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主席,我想請部長 |
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副長,我想今天非常多的委員都已經在提醒說我們要加重刑罰等等。近期因為藝人付費加入及購買含有兒少性剝削影像網站創意私房, |
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那衛福部在4月10日請這個臺灣網路資訊中心停止解析所以我們現在看到的畫面很清楚的宰明這個網域因為違反兒童及少年性剝削防制法而遭到停止解析這個有看到嗎? |
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但本席認為這個畫面必須更有嚇阻力,讓有意去遊覽的這個民眾充分得知自己可能面臨什麼後果。這個部長你可以看,就是像我們這個衛福部其實相當有經驗,我們為了防制淹害所推廣的警語跟警圖,你有看這個警語跟警圖, |
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其實是非常嚴重的嚇阻很多想要抽菸的人知道說這可能是他會面對的一個後果那所以呢希望說這個是不是這個網域已停止解析喔這個部分是不是能夠明列拍攝購買持有可能之最高刑刑責讓這個想要去這個網站的人知道說欸 |
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我可能去這樣的網站會面臨什麼樣子的刑責因為呢他在這個網站找不到他可能在另外網站還會繼續去尋找他不知道他要面臨的是什麼樣子的後果部長您同意嗎這部分我非常同意委員的這個看法但是實際上要怎麼樣操作的話那可能要跟幾個相關的部會來是這個部分可能要警政署也來支持然後來協助第二個就是 |
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到底他的最高刑責是多少,可能要等到我們這次修法之後再做決定。當然當然,這個部分我想大家所有的委員喔,大家都是可以說是不分藍綠一起共同支持說一定要能夠重罰才能夠嚇阻,形成一個嚇阻效用。 |
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那接下來呢我也想要請問部長這個創意私房似乎又回來了這個是在封網之後4月10日封網之後沒有幾天 |
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我們禮拜五又再封了 |
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我們星期五的時候又把它封了對這個部分其實對於這個問題我覺得就舉例來說這個美國電影協會Motion Picture Association MPA他們就是非常積極的在各國遊說行政機關對於盜版網站進行封網那也從不放棄這個做法 |
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雖然明知封網只是治標但該做的還是要去做那因為行政機關的封網其實是一個很簡單的設定是立即就可以生效但是這些不法業者要更改網域相較之下是比較麻煩的他改十次我們就封十次那行政機關我想聽到的部長是說你改一百次我就封一百次有這樣子的決心嗎部長當然就是但是重點是我們要能夠主動去尋 |
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是,這一點就是我想要提醒部長的,就是說衛福部要怎麼樣第一時間知道呢?就是要怎麼樣第一時間知道說,欸這個網站又改名換姓了呢?部長現在有沒有主動尋網的機制?目前沒有。目前沒有,對不對?所以呢, |
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我針對部長說想要委外主動尋網在卸任前完成招標書這一點我是肯定部長是一個有承擔的人但我想請問部長網路的這個複雜跟多樣性其實最需要的是藉助眾多網友的力量有沒有考慮開放向檢舉 |
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像環保違規啊、交通違規一樣啊是不是可以由民眾檢舉、衛福部來查檢或者是警政署來查檢這樣子是比較快速你又不用那麼多人力然後又等於是人人都可以幫忙監督如果這樣子的話部長會考慮嗎?這目前就是也有這個機制啦我們影像處理中心就可以接受這種檢舉 |
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是 那就是說我們可能要更多的廣宣才讓大家知道說他們是有權利可以檢舉的否則其實很多民眾他可能不曉得他有這個檢舉的管道或者是檢舉的權益他有這個我想很多人都會願意去做這件事情那如果這個可以立刻做出採取的話這樣可能會比花錢委外的成效都高很多那這一點也建議部長來參考 |
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好,這我們會廣為宣傳,我們再加強宣導。那最後呢,如果有建制主動尋往機制之相關進程,請書面回覆本席辦公室。好,謝謝部長。謝謝。好,謝謝張家俊委員。接下來我們請楊瓊英委員進行質詢。謝謝主席,本席想邀請部長。 |
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主席 |
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如果必要時,法務部有問到你們,就主動上來。謝謝。楊警衛發言,今天我們審查兒童及少年性剝削防制條例,那部分條文本席也提出修正動議,也就在第三條的這個部分,在第二項的部分,增加了數位發展。部長,你同意嗎? |
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接下來本席要來增加一個第八條之一,也就是主管機關單位知道了網頁資料有第四章的犯罪嫌疑情勢,如果有阻止犯罪。 |
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違害發生或避免急迫的危險,必須要緊急處置的必要性時,得通知目的主管機關單位以及網路內容防護機構,對此就直接可以移除或下架被害人的性影像或停止解析與犯罪有關的網域名稱。 |
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第三十六條,也就是大家一致認為必須要刑法加重,因此本席將原先的一年以上改為處十年以上,無期徒刑。 |
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並割罰金的部分由一百萬提升為兩百萬,兩百萬以下。第二個也就是在這個物品影印圖畫的這個部分由這個原先的三年以上到十年本期提的是處十二年以上的有期徒刑由原先的三百萬元的罰金提升為六百萬元那同時也就是在 |
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我們認為說強迫影像的這個部分處7年以上有期徒刑,併購罰金500萬以下,本期的提案是提升,而7年改為15年以上,那併購罰金的部分有500萬元,提升為1000萬元,請教部長您的看法。 |
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因為這個涉及到的刑法的橫平性的問題跟其他罪責,我想是不是請法務部來回答。好,我們一個原則,等一下我先聽到你的意見,因為你是主席管單位,也就是刑法提升,法規你要提升。 |
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我們在整體討論的時候,我們討論一個共同方向就是說 |
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提升金額、罰金以及提升這個刑法的部分,大家都一致認同的,法務部也點頭,所以我們希望朝這個方向,讓大家社會大眾可以安心。法務部要不要回答一下,你是要回答嗎?好,來。是,跟委員報告。 |
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那個要提升這個刑責的刑度我們原則上是認同但是這個必須要考量跟其他的法條包括刑法的妨害秘密還有妨害性私密影像還有對影像的整個要考量要有橫平性相當性跟相稱性 |
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OK,好,那很高興的聽到法務部跟我們主辦、主席單位我們的衛務部、塑化部都同意這個方向,也就是塑化部加入。那第二個刑期增加,第三個就是罰金也增加,這個方向大家是共識的。所以到時候我們細項的部分再來討論。好,接下來本席要請教部長。 |
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這個兩個議題網路上面我們說這個影像是讓我們最難過的兒少性剝削的部分通報案件2019年是1213件2020年是2282件那去年更達到3000多件我講的數字都很難過那你也公然的也說了在我們法還沒修訂之前你會委託民間的網路趕快去巡查那現在進度呢 |
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現在還是要先找一些這方面的專家來把這一個所有的招標文件的內容要怎麼樣定。那你們多久會定出來?很需要欸。這次我想說講說兩個禮拜把它定出來嘛,那應該還要一個禮拜多吧。 |
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所以照那個原先的時間嗎?換句話說往現在大概在一個禮拜的時間可以點出來。趕快圍堵。速度加快,同仁辛苦一點,趕快圍堵。在一個禮拜後就可以給社會大眾說。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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最後一個議題我給您,也就是訪視制度。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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那個全日拖的一些特別的案件的話,我們加強防制的頻率,一年會到六次。第二部分就是去防制的時候,我們會定指引出來,等於是一個check list,去的時候要看什麼東西,要問什麼東西,讓每一個去做防制的人不會漏掉。 |
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那人員不足的部分呢?人員目前來看的話,我們在特定的一些對象去增加這個防制的次數的話,我們都有跟地方的社會局有談過,那討論過。那以現在的人力大概還可以。你們去盤點啦,滾動式檢討好不好?你要人家謹慎,你還是要給人家那個那個資源嘛,對不對?你去盤點,我們一起好好來照顧,好嗎?謝謝。好,謝謝。 |
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好,謝謝楊瓊英委員的質詢。接下來我們請陳英委員質詢。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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網路有一個亂象。 |
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相信大家有在使用網路的人都有發現到最近這樣的一個問題就是我們經常在網路社群發現網路新聞都是用很聳動的這個標題但點選新聞連結的時候才發現說這個根本就不是在台灣的新聞我們看一下這些狀況 |
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來71歲竟然還遇到這樣的職場霸凌然後在辦公室自殺結果我們點進去看原來呢這個是在中國遼寧遼寧省發生的事情那另外接下來這一則呢還寫亂倫還在開直播的新聞那點進去看那這件這個新聞也是發生在中國 |
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還有網紅美女慘死街頭的新聞我們再把它點進去看之後呢結果這個新聞是發生在美國再來19歲在公園的這個分屍案再點進去看也是發生在美國那這個接下來這個 |
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這一則再點進去看,它這個分析案它是在 |
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在英國這些平台上的新聞就是說我們如果點進去看最多啦我們就是看下去感覺就是被騙了就是被騙了這個點閱那有點進去還好那如果沒有點進去看我們整天都是看這些標題的時候你會不會覺得說這整個台灣的社會怎麼變得這麼亂 |
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我們姑且不去討論它這個新聞的內容是真的還是假的,是國外記者的新聞還是網路上抄回來未經查證的消息。這樣的亂象不管是怎麼樣,我們政府都應該要向媒體來進行道德勸說,要跟他們好好溝通。 |
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因為我先強調這些呢在網路社群平台的這個新聞它並不是自媒體喔而是這是很多各家新聞台或者是廣播或者是這個報紙雜誌以及這個著名的網路新聞那我要請教一下NCC這個新聞台呢或者這個廣播頻道他們在社群平台發這樣的新聞你們管還是不管? |
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報告委員因為現在的廣電法或者是衛廣法他管的就是那些頻道那至於網路新聞呢就算是這些頻道業者另外一個那個成立一個新聞網對我特別特別問 |
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這部分目前並沒有作用法可以管不過為了保障使用者權益跟維護我國網際網路媒體生態健全這些公共利益本會也會透過公司協力來建構安全可信賴的網路環境目前的做法就是在促使業者是不是訂定或完備他們網路新聞的自律公約我們目前也是在努力 |
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好,我很謝謝你念這一段齁,在我們關心了這個議題之後。那,這個電視新聞台齁,就是說,因為這樣的,你們之前就好像看起來沒辦法,那,平面媒體它是歸文化部管啦。 |
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議員林岱樺 |
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報導委員有關網路世界、網路 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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我今天提出這個灰色的這個三不管地帶或者踢皮球的地帶我現在講這個情形他其實嚴格說起來他並沒有一個嚴重違法的狀況 |
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我們只是說希望這個主管機關對於他們這些狀況和這些媒體可以進行溝通、進行道德勸說。因為台灣的治安其實沒有那麼可怕,社會整個的道德也沒有那麼差。不要因為這些聳動的標題或簡短的敘述搞得我們人心惶惶。對於現在就是說, |
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而大多數人使用率相當高的這個網路媒體那上面網路新聞呈現的一個情況 |
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目前竟然沒有任何一個主管機關有主動可以跟他們進行溝通跟道德勸說這是一個還蠻奇怪的狀況所以我是在這邊今天質詢在要求就是說網路的數位產業發展是數位部的業務 |
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結果網路新聞呈現的情況卻涉及刑法或民法就依照各主管機關去處理。這些電視、廣播或平面媒體的主管機關,之前我們去關心也是說網路上的行為不歸他們管。 |
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而不是像你們今天好像講的都要去關心了那未來這個行政院的這個資通安全匯報應該要對這個問題要馬上進行討論但是我希望我今天提到的問題你們要立刻有一些作為 |
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那我希望就是說這個數位發展部你們可不可以來主責主導然後邀集NCC文化部以及相關的單位好由你們來主責來統籌研議處理怎麼跟這些媒體進行道德勸說跟溝通這樣有沒有問題 |
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報告委員,這個實體上的傳播媒體的監理的業務基本上是NCC在主政,所以網路上也應該是由NCC來主政會比較好,那NCC那你們同意由你們主責來邀集數位部、文化部跟相關單位來進行研議處理嗎?我們會努力來促進這個網際網路的內容。好,那我今天提出的質詢要求你們同意嗎? |
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是,我們會努力來進行,那包括委員剛才提到的會同相關機關。是是是,就是網際網路相關的新聞業者,那包括那些新聞網,現在目前沒有作用法可以規範的,那我們會來努力進行道德勸說,請他們自律。好,請你們主責邀集我剛剛點到的這些相關部會。好,謝謝。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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呃,各位下午好。好,現在我們繼續開會。本委員會發言限制五分鐘,外委員會發言限制四分鐘。第一位盧憲一委員,盧憲一委員,盧憲一委員不在。好,接下來我們請鍾嘉斌委員發言。 |
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主席、在場的委員先進、列席的政府監事長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。有請我們薛部長、還有通傳會的詹主任、速發部的張處長、 |
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那警政署的司副組長和法務部的主任檢察官,不好意思,請你們上來,省得大家走路,五分鐘時間很寶貴。我們請以上官員都上台,謝謝。好,部長,請教一下,保育的野生動物是買賣的罪比較大,還是去獵殺的罪比較大? |
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都一樣,不一樣,我告訴你。如果是買賣的話呢,30萬以下、100萬以下、150萬以下喔。但是呢,如果你是獵捕的話呢,20萬跟100萬。欸,買賣比獵捕還嚴重欸,為什麼?因為買賣造成殺害,有沒有聽過這個話?對。好,那我們來看看,所以這是我們修法的重點,我們看一下。 |
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拍攝兒童影像多案獲得減刑,多數人認為你去流傳這些影像過去曾經獲得環球不起訴,甚至付錢和解也是缺乏足夠認知,甚至不曉得花錢買這些影片有違法之餘。您覺得這是目前我們兒童影像案件增加的原因,就是大家的認知還有法律上的設計不夠健全,是不是這樣?認知不夠健全,這個是第一。法律也不夠完整,我是我們修法的目的嘛。好,我們往下看。 |
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其實呢,我還要講創意私房,它的高級會員呢,他可以懸賞影片的類型,一般會員直接購買,然後拿拿拿去看。但是呢,VIP,像黃子椒這個藝人呢,他可以指定,他們是屬於VIP,他們可以指定那種指定條件。然後呢,就有媒合拍攝者,所以這就像是因為你有預定,然後呢,就有人去犯罪,是不是這樣子? |
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需求去刺激到公司。沒有錯,好,我們現在看。所以呢,懸賞影片的內容,我請教一下我們主任檢察官齁。如果說有人去,我要懸賞看什麼影片,有人去拍。那,類似創意私房的高級會員懸賞影片的類型,等不同於教、教唆犯罪、花錢買兇,是不是跟你,類、類似。 |
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那現在我們一個問題是這樣請教部長 |
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這個在這個案子他在4月4號爆發之後但是呢看這個交易平台呢在4月10號還有在交易為什麼為什麼他們這個既然都已經對這個平台上流通的影片開始進行查緝了還可以再進行交易要問誰來誰可以答 |
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沒有人可以答?這個所謂的後續還是要交易應該就不是我們這個社會...好,就是我們的司法的行動有沒有夠迅速啦,是不是這樣子?如果他有個犯罪行為在這邊發生了,我們還容許他可以繼續進行犯罪行為,是不是說我們的執司犯罪打擊機關有點失職啊? |
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應該這麼講,就是說他這個創意司法他一直有在做這個提供影片,然後做這樣的交易。但是我們現在是這個黃姓的藝人,他這一個部分的話,如果是已經停止了,但是並沒有去...對,這個平台還繼續讓他們會員在那邊強行交易。對,他現在缺乏這個預防的...來,我請教法務部,對不起,沒有找到我們江參事,不然去問朱主任,江參事在嗎? |
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來來來那你認為如果我們在打擊犯罪的過程當中發生了一個查獲了一個犯罪行為卻沒有去阻止他們這個犯罪集團繼續犯罪這個要怎麼辦法律上有沒有有沒有辦法檢察官好檢察官主任檢察官 |
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其實創意私房這個案件我們在110年的時候臺北地檢署有偵辦那時候查量大量都是很多的共犯所以那時候事證比較明確所以就有申請向法院申請扣押網域名稱扣押網域名稱那個時候所以這一次創意私房黃案爆發後為什麼沒有及時封網部長你覺得為什麼沒有及時封網 |
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因為這個我們過去的也就是說現在的制度之下的話這兩條路嘛 |
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一條路的話就是要有人檢舉,然後我們針對這一個可能進入檢調的調查。檢調調查當然就可以去做扣押,這剛剛主任檢察官有提到。另外一個就是,它不是這個由法務部這邊來行動的,是由我們接受到檢舉。我們接受到檢舉的話,我們還要有一些行政的程序。就是下一頁所檢視的嗎?對。是不是這樣? |
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所以就沒有辦法迅速的去做封網。好,但是我們把它封網之後要轉子重生啊,怎麼辦?未來會不會有能力繼續主動發現變成封網嗎?對,所以這個部分的話就是要有這一個科技的方法來做。科技的方法?速發部有辦法提供這個科技的方法? |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
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18319.142 |
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那科技的方法現在國科會已經有一些AI的技術在…你們願不願意協助?是,有,我們有…速發部願意協助?是,當然是…好,我NCC,來,NCC這跟你們有沒有關係?蜂王跟你們有沒有關係?目前沒有關係了?報告委員,那蜂王目前是性影像處理中心在… |
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. |
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秦副長,法律上還有什麼部分我們要來加強的?比如說運用網路科技主動查辦,像我們說要求要修主動尋網,會不會有辦法主動尋網嗎?目前是沒有。那誰要協助你?請了這麼多人讓你點名,你覺得哪個單位要協助你?因為我們並不那麼清楚說這個技術。在場有誰清楚?誰可以協助運用網路去主動尋網? |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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科技上可行,部會單位要出來擔綱,那我們修法才有辦法有用,不是靠衛福部。最後我們看看今天呢,我們再問一下組織犯罪,請問一下以這個案例來講,算不算組織犯罪?要問誰?法務部?還是我們警政署?你們覺得,可以不要判斷,這是不是一個組織犯罪?類似這樣的一個行為,以拍攝兒童性剝削的影片為主的,可不可以視為組織犯罪? |
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跟委員報告一下因為如果就我們現在組織犯罪條例來看的話他有特別的構成要件那這個有沒有到構成?他們這個創意私房的目的就是在販售在撥放這些性剝削的兒童性剝削條例是三人以上而且是五年以最輕本金五年以上有期徒刑的罪而且是強暴脅迫的詐欺恐嚇的這種手段再加上他要有牟利性還要有 |
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你剛講的我聽起來只有一個五年以上還不曉得有沒有啦對對好謝謝來最後呢因為今天主席站起來了齁所以我希望未來研議未來及時主動發現新犯罪的網站並立即封案的方案是不是請衛務部提出來然後這些單位哪一些可以幫助就直接把寫明下去未來呢我們在後續的修法當中一個一個把它放進來好不好 |
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下一位羅志強委員羅志強委員羅志強委員不在請吳四耀委員發言 |
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法定人數不足 |
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部長大家午安辛苦喔那進入我今天的主題呢我要念一個我臉書的文章是寫在2020年5月12號那時候我說臺灣發生了李宗瑞事件韓國有N號房事件性私密影像未經同意拍攝以及不當傳播的犯罪只有越演越烈各國皆然沒錯 |
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四年後的現在,它確實越演越烈,在臺灣又發生了黃子佼創意私房的事件。那我2020年又寫著:「臺版N號房早就發生在你我身邊,所以新興的網路犯罪形態不只變本加厲,更已經全球化、產業化。」 |
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沒想到我又一語成稱了確實看到這個在暗網之間創意私房就是這樣他已經產業化他已經全球化了所以這一次我們又有一次修法的機會在2022年我們完成了性暴力防制司法的修正之後我們又有一次機會來好好討論法案這一次我們真的不能就這樣算了這一次我們真的不能夠繼續頭痛一頭腳痛一腳 |
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那看看我的條文我基本上同意衛福部終整其他委員的提案的六大修法面向但是我個人會用修正動議來提出我個人的版本也就是購買適同資助犯罪的這件事情我們要比較盈利來加重刑責這是吳思瑤的版本下一頁 |
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從黃子椒的事件,還好現在北檢在意的過程,有機會來重新認定,否則這個緩起訴是社會沒辦法接受。當然我們看到創意思坊有80位高級會員,有醫師、有老師、有軍警。 |
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高教育程度的人依舊是會去進行購買、下載這樣子的性犯罪的影片就都告訴我們現在的機制嚇阻力是不足的下一頁現在我們有機會來修兒童性剝削防制條例我要講再一次的機會可是我也希望不要再一次的掛一漏彎我們對於兒童的受害案件這一次來修 |
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但是其實對於成人他還是有很多受害者的影片被外流被偷拍 |
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就以黃子佼啊,他的這個4TB的這個硬碟啊,裡面只有7部,不能講只有7部啦,7部的兒少性剝削已經很嚴重了。可是事實上他還有上百部成人的。換言之還有無數的成人他可能是被偷拍,他性私密影像被外流,有更多的成人也是求助無門。所以我認為今天如果討論了兒少性剝削防制條例的再次修法, |
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其實我們也必須同步來檢視刑法的性隱、性私密的這個專章對於成人的部分也是要跟上。我想大家都同意。好,下一頁。那我個人的意見在哪裡?我們現行的條文對拍攝、製造在三十六條有規範。那營利者加重二分之一的刑責。 |
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三十八條規範的散布傳送交付公然陳列等等營利的一樣加重其刑責。但是我們對於無正當持有的以及我們欠缺對付費下載觀看的加重刑責這當中現在的法規如果不改你等同於免費下載的人跟高級付費的會員他的法是一樣的。 |
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我認為這是不公平的這個是偏差的下一頁我用這個表格來看來論述我們的左邊現在已經很清楚了盈利而進行拍攝散佈的他的罪是重於私下拍攝無常散佈OK這沒有問題 |
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但右邊呢,現在的法如果還是依你們現在送出來的版本,會讓免費下載的人的負有的刑責被克責的罪跟付費的會員是一致的。這樣覺得嗎?不覺得,這樣覺得嗎? |
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這個是可以討論,現在問題點是在一到七年,這樣子對於附會者跟免費下載的,他的衡平性如何?這兩個來比的是當然附會教育公園的學生程度比較大,但是陷其他的就去比。 |
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所以我自己的條文是修在第三十九條增列第四項。那如果我們也跟衛福部的同仁討論,如果要在你們的三十六條來調整,我也可以接受。我要求的就是,針對付費的會員本身,他也應當有更重的刑責。這是我的主張,我認為合理正當。 |
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否則一法就兩制了。好下一頁所以說沒有需求就沒有人沒有供給啦我再一次把我的條文分享在這裡最後最後下一頁我要遺憾的說我當初的倡議是我們需要一部性私密影像的防制專法 |
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只有專法下手才能夠整合跨部會的資源由教育、文化、傳媒還有執法跟這個偵辦從前端到後端很完整的結構性的系統性的體系在連同我們社政衛福的體系 |
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今天我們終於又有一次修法的機會我是再一次把我2020年的倡議到2022年我們完成性暴力防制的司法我認為專法還是我們要很嚴肅去思考的方向 |
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我也希望未來當然我們這個政黨、這個政權會有新的部長、舊的部長但是我們衛福部的、法務部的、我們警政署的執法單位我們都是永續存在的政府我還是呼籲性私密引向侵害防制條例吳思瑤跟范雲我們都有一個專法的倡議 |
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我希望未來還有進一步來檢視的機會,否則永遠在掛一漏萬,否則永遠在頭痛一頭、腳痛一腳。我們永遠在面對社會的民粹的要求,在每一個犯罪事件之下,片面的認為這個要趕快修,但卻遺漏了另外的面向。我再一次倡議好不好,我們未來一起努力。時間很短,謝謝部長,謝謝大家。 |
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林思銘委員、林思銘委員、林思銘委員、侯孟楷委員、侯孟楷委員、侯孟楷委員、陳庭飛委員。請陳委員發言。謝昭偉厚,我們是請部長。 |
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委員好。部長好。部長我有提出修法的部分,包括兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第二條、第三十九條及第四十四條的條文修正。那其實我比較強調就是說,在持有的這個部分,就持有的部分,我們要怎麼去杜絕? |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具．事由．事由 |
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19050.048 |
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我們現在這個希望是主動巡查以前是用報案的有報案然後我們再去責成相關單位由各縣市政府加去查查了之後我們再跟這一個所謂業者要求他下架都是被動的好我們現在主動巡查機制可是還要一個月才能公開招標啊這當中大約是這樣子 |
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19052.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
19056.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].text |
公開招標我們的立場跟主要他要幫我們進行的是什麼樣的巡查動作? |
| transcript.whisperx[504].start |
19079.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
19104.037 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
這個可能就是在網路科技的方面的話那利用各種方式去找出很可能可疑的一些網站所以我們未來招標出去的時候他就負責在我們網站當中幫我們主動巡查是不是他就負責這個樣子那你覺得你怎麼去訂他的標準 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
19106.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
19133.48 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].text |
因為這個是屬於社會科技的部分那也許用關鍵字還是用什麼用AI來幫忙那去做這樣子的一些分析那找出這最可疑的點然後再進入去去做調查所以部長你針對這個部分你們已經有跟各部會討論過了嗎就是說未來我們招標出去要這個對象要幫我們做什麼事情然後他要怎麼去進行要怎麼達到我們的 |
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19134.72 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
19142.235 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
所謂我們要求它的指標這很重要啊不是我們今天公開招標出去之後結果呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
19144.229 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
19170.907 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
你們已經討論過了嗎?這部分的話在現在怎麼樣去做這個招標文件的部分我們就會找各相關的部會來討論這個事。所以還沒?因為那個招標文件的內容必須要先確定。所以部長我為什麼會問你說一個月夠嗎?你一個月就可以嗎?你們現在都還沒進行各部會討論你跟我講說現在修法之後然後一個月就可以去公開招標。 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].start |
19172.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
19186.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
怎麼可能呢?你知道這個細節有多少嗎?如果我們今天招標完之後還沒有辦法到位,還沒有辦法達到我們人民的需求,這樣我們就沒話說了。我們到時候被打,我們要... |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
19187.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
19190.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].text |
議長,既然我們有這樣的決定,你為什麼不要提早來部署呢?提早來約詢相關的單位,做成正式的會議。這個我們都有開過會,都有問過啦。 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].start |
19213.709 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
19236.123 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
我覺得這個應該是要同步因為我認為如果今天法過了然後主動巡查機制我們居然拖了一個月、兩個月、三個月之後還沒有辦法看到實際的成效然後網站當中還是有一堆這種所謂的讓人家無法接受的一些平台在上面 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].start |
19237.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].end |
19263.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[511].text |
那個我們就沒話說了,是不是?然後來這個部長我再請教現在創意司法會員人數估計總共有5418人高級會員是80人請問我們現在媒體追成這個樣子到底檢警的部分你們有瞭解嗎?那個我們相關的單位有瞭解嗎?到底我們現在成效是如何? |
| transcript.whisperx[512].start |
19264.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
19265.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
警政署 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
19294.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
19295.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
19314.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
19341.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
我們不能說今天媒體在追我們就很正面的回應然後呢媒體沒在追的時候我們又鬆了我們刑事局我們針對檢警有逮捕到相關的人數或是有相關的案子的部分有沒有針對創意私訪的案件其實後續我們一直有在積極偵查當中目前還有案件有檢察官目前在指揮偵辦 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
19343.576 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
19367.933 |
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所以還是檢察官只會偵辦,所以你們沒有主動去了解就是配合辦案。那我要說20萬片以上的非法影片,不法獲利是3000萬以上,受害的人數這才是可怕,3000至4000人。我們希望我們檢警,我們要積極一點,要讓我們看到成效。謝謝。謝謝二、委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
19373.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].end |
19386.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
禮儀錦、委員謝主席。有請部長、衛福部部長跟法務部。 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
19392.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
19410.607 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
委員長辛苦我想在資訊如此發達的年代透過網路等管道花錢購入這個兒少性影像讓金流流往這個兒少性影像持有者的口袋這種行為就是在助長整個犯罪的產業鏈所以等同鼓勵違反 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
19411.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
19437.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].start |
19437.925 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
19457.673 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條條文修正草案案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條條文修正草案案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒� |
| transcript.whisperx[520].start |
19463.095 |
| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
19471.339 |
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而不是涉及觀看預先涉入兒少影像的狀況。同法三十九條則是沒有購買行為的特殊性,因為我們單純把購買及其他罪者統一以持有來罰。 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].start |
19491.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[521].end |
19505.303 |
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可是購買兒童性影像的這個犯罪的樣態攸關對兒童充滿這個惡意的物化、商品化,也是對人性尊嚴或傷害他的政策,所以我想應該是要比持有者,他應該要 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].start |
19507.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
19515.768 |
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與持有者的罪責有別。因此,在本席的修法上,我是援引刑法第349條顧買髒物相關罪責來懲罰顧買兒少性影像影像者。 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
19524.651 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
19549.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
因為這形同你明明知道他是犯罪的行為可是你又願意用金錢來買賣那購買的同樣都是不法之物那都不是在社會上可以被容許可以被交易的物品所以我們考慮兒少又是活生生的人他不是物品所以因此要加重其刑二分之一那衛福部我知道也嚴厲的購買兒少性影像的相關的罪責 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].start |
19550.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
19566.106 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
所以接下來要請部長針對這樣的提案本席這樣的提案你們的修法方向跟本席的這個提案的回應我們是同意這樣子的一個方向其實過去的確啦那個現影像的部分的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
19568.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
19593.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
關賞指的是實體的,對於現象去關賞這個部分是沒有罰則。另外就是如果付費的,那有時候有對價的,跟沒有對價的那個是一樣。所以這樣子的確是適合,只是說要怎麼樣處罰可以得到最大的平衡,這個是需要討論。 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
19594.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
19607.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
好OK那我觀察到不少委員都有提出這個購買這個兒少性向徵修罰則的修法的方向可是我還是有個疑問就是說在現代科技發達下什麼叫做購買什麼叫做持有 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
19610.862 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
19624.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
電磁記錄的持有跟購買會有哪些可能的樣態?難道我在LINE群組,別人誤傳影片給我,我沒有打開過,我也構成持有嗎?這部分的法律定義我想請法務部說明一下。持有的定義,就是說我剛舉例了,就是說我如果LINE群組人家傳給我, |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
19635.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
19657.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
我沒有打開喔!那我有構成持有嗎?因為持有基本上我們的法律定義是在自己的實力支配之下那如果沒有打開但是他是隨時可以處於他實力支配下的話這個我們有可能會認定也是持有所以別人誤傳給我就可能構成持有的犯罪了在他實力支配之下的話我們現在目前法律上定義是有可能的 |
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19657.267 |
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19676.722 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
好,那最後重申就是說為了杜絕兒少性影像被商品化的散布,我們除了要懲罰販賣端外,使兒少這個性剝削產業鏈有辦法運轉的這個買方也要有相對應的罰則喔,齁,一起來努力,謝謝,謝謝主席。好,謝謝。接下來我們請吳佩儀委員質詢。謝謝主席,我請衛福部。 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
19687.944 |
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19709.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
好,請部長。委員好。部長好。部長在這一次黃子椒案事件之後,其實衍生了一個討論,就是我們看到公眾人物,不管是藝人也好,不管是網紅也好,他的公眾行為跟公眾言論都有其社會責任,所以必須要來謹慎發言。 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
19711.118 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
19738.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
那我注意到昨天我們在聯合報報紙有一篇社論是由我們楊志良前這個署長來投書寫的社論他裡面有提到他說臺灣正在大崩壞那十年過後臺灣只有更加崩壞但我非常注意今天一定要請這個部長來釐清的是因為當中這個楊志良前署長有提到他說凱凱被虐待致死的事件那官方的資料顯示臺灣每週 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
19740.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
19766.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
而將近三名嬰兒被虐待致死那這個以我過去我長時間在看我們政府相關的資料看起來落差是非常的大因為如果以每週有將近三名嬰兒被虐待致死的話這樣換算起來一年是將近要150個案件了我想請問部長我們就我們衛福部的統計我們每一年的這個虐童的案件是多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
19767.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
19790.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
每年大概20個左右。每年大概20件。以2023年來說是?2023年的話是家內的22人,然後家外的話是3人。是。其實20個案件也絕對不少。因為我們對孽童案是零容忍。一個案件都是很多。但是這個數字相差7倍以上。 |
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19790.743 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
19790.964 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
楊前署長的話聽聽就好。 |
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19806.82 |
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19827.022 |
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因為它距離事實太遙遠,但是部長,我認為我們態度不能聽聽就好,因為它指的是,這是你們官方資料顯示,官方是不是你們?所以要有官方澄清啦,好不好?因為我們對於現象的了解,會影響到我們投入相關的,不管是執法的資源、相關輔導行政的作業,你有七倍的案件,你要有七倍的量。 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
19827.563 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
19853.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
所以要來做澄清那接下來我要關注的是這一次的修法我有提出我修法版本那我們修法除了要加重懲處之外其實很重要的部分就是犯罪的預防大家很多討論到還有其中的關鍵是在於我們要如何整合我們部會相關的資源以及執法的措施那網路犯罪涉及到了跨境犯罪去年修法的時候其實就有討論到很多現在如果是境內犯罪可以處理 |
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19854.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
19875.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
19875.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
19878.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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19898.053 |
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19920.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
其中就有整合相關部會的作為我們目前的兒童性剝削防制條例第三條其實有類似的規定就是各部會有相關的整合但是我們的文字是宣導所以對於各個部會究竟要如何來協助對於兒童性剝削特別是網路犯罪的預防相關的措施我認為我們這甚至不用到修法了 |
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19921.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
19943.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
其實由我們衛福部我們就可以來主責,來提出一個相關部會大家來彙整的討論,那如果有需要就報告行政院,這個部長你認為呢?委員剛剛的主張我覺得都是正面而且我支持,但是只有一句話我有意見,就要由衛福部來做。事實上如果要做這件事情衛福部絕對沒有能力做。 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
19944.429 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
19960.919 |
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那你覺得要有哪一個部?所以這個應該是跨部會所以應該是在行政院的層級去做整合因為像這種科技的技術方面的話衛福部絕對沒有能力去做但是針對網路犯罪就是需要科技 |
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19961.599 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
19963.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
接下來我們請陳培宇委員進行諮詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
19990.498 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
19992.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
謝謝主席,那一樣有請部長,謝謝。好,請薛部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
19999.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
20000.382 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
我們有開過會,在25號開過會。 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
20026.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
20048.468 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
但是各個單位都說這個問題是很難處理。金流的部分很難處理齁?真的?對,沒錯,還有就是您剛剛說的,還有各式各樣的支付,但是如果沒有處理金流這件事情,我相信部長你一定也認同,不然你們在,我相信你們在召開會議上,一定還有人提出,那如果沒辦法處理,那我們到底還有什麼方法? |
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20051.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
20078.818 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
如果說這樣子的各方面的意見都覺得沒有辦法處理,衛福部真的是拿不出什麼辦法。好,不過我確實聽到這個回覆有一點震驚,但是我想我們之後也許我們可以再一起想想辦法。但是談金流這件事情,確實我們也看到在這一次的案件當中,其實有這個所謂民間企業金融犯罪調查師,他們有幫忙分析這一次金流。 |
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20079.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
20106.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
例如說有多少人花錢、金流的上下游的關係,還有如何推敲真實的身份。那他們的報告應該也會提供給執法單位去追查,去找這個犯罪集團背後的脈絡。可是我們要說這個不法金流的機制要斷絕他這件事情,如果真的有困難,那到底我們未來還可以做哪些比較積極的措施?因為剛剛委員提到的那個是這個洗錢防治法。是,是,是。 |
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20106.624 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
20129.235 |
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那洗錢防制以目前國內有法,然後也有執行的單位,所以技術上、理論上來講的話是不會沒有啦,一定會有這個技術,所以才能夠防制洗錢。那台灣還沒有碰到恐怖攻擊,哪一天如果碰到了,那一定也會有這種技術,啊這個在國外都有。 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
20130.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
20154.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
現在就是說我們怎麼樣把這一些技術把它引進到臺灣然後把它建立起來以臺灣作為一個這個數位科技那麼發達的一個地方的話我是不相信說沒有能力去處理這樣的問題我聽到部長這句話我非常的欣慰就是以臺灣數位科技這麼發達的地方臺灣也都說全世界工程師很厲害前幾名絕對在臺灣但是我們卻沒有辦法解決這個問題不過我相信 |
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20155.964 |
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20182.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
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20182.643 |
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20182.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
閱讀者們的意見 |
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20204.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
20204.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
我非常贊同委員的這句話。 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
20231.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
20240.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
那事實上這心態的不太不正確的話,的確是導致說這一個產業等於說一直蓬勃發展的一個。沒錯沒錯。 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
20242.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
20268.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
平常我們在買東西,可能就是說這個買一件衣服可能這個衣服那是有一種剝削勞工的這種可能性那當然他有他的一個可責性但是那個很大部分的話是這個勞工願意的投入的把它製造出來但是這一種兒少性剝削的這種影片的製造的話是違反兒少本身的意願的 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
20269.264 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
20294.013 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
那甚至我想部長一定也知道還有很多是兒少他在拍的時候他去賣這個東西他並不知道後續會產生這個效應這又是另外一個教育端的問題那當然我們辦公室絕對有提出我們自己的版本後續我們都會再討論不過也非常謝謝部長剛您有理解我們所說的教育的部分我們還可以在跨部會合作再加強那這個部分我們後續也會希望衛福部跟教育部可以持續開展相關的討論好以上謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
20296.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
20301.336 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
黃珊珊、黃珊珊、黃珊珊委員李燕秀委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
20315.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
20328.752 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
部長辛苦了,這個法案非常重要,所以已經在委員會好幾次的答詢討論。要請部長看一下我們的數據,這個法案其實我特別整理從109年到112年,相關的數據被處以 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
20334.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
20353.21 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
而六個月以下有期徒刑其實有佔了百分之二十,可以一顆罰金。而被判兩年以下,加起來以一百一十二年為例,總共佔了百分之五十九,將近佔六成,有很高的機會可以被判緩刑。部長,我一直在跟你討論, |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
20354.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
20373.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
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| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
20373.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
20390.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
有沒有有很好的效果?我們在這邊討論很多次。就上次您在這邊跟我們答詢,我們覺得恐怕效果包括從國外的資料我們都覺得好像效果不是那麼好,包括在輔導的教育上我們如何加強。 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].start |
20391.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].end |
20407.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
所以這幾個部分在201以下很多都被判緩刑,無論是保護管束也好、輔導教育,我們如何把它調整得更好,對於未來再犯的機會可以減少,其實一直是在這個法案當中我關注的焦點。 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
20407.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
20424.247 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
當然在這一次修法的過程當中,很多委員也都提出來未來將處一年以上、七年以下的有期徒刑,這個部分就不得一顆罰金,緩刑的機會也減少,這個部分我是支持的,但是未來如何減少再犯, |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
20424.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
20445.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
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20445.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
20451.83 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
adequate治療矯正方式,才是真正釜底抽薪的方法。 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
20465.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
20474.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
事實上以現在的司法系統,不管你是緩起訴或緩刑,都可以命為治療。 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
20477.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
20479.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
對於剛剛委員所提到的戀童癖這一種,那個已經治療無效了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
20499.713 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
20525.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
好,那所以今天我也要往下再繼續跟您討論,所以因為我們要防的就是再犯嘛,那我也調出一些相關的資料,就是說治療戀童癖者再犯的,如果有接受過治療,國外的資料,他再犯的機率有5.9,遠低於完全沒有治療,大概佔27.8%,在國外相關的研究資料,所以你認為, |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
20527.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
20536.058 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
對於這些戀童僻者有效的治療方式接受進一步的身心治療方式好的治療方式你是不是支持這樣的修法方向? |
| transcript.whisperx[569].start |
20537.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
20561.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
而這個練童癖,它其實是已經進入到所謂的精神科的一個診斷了。我知道這個是專業的部分,您知不支持就是做有效的、有效好的心理諮商治療方式。我要指出來就是說,委員提到的這一個報告的話,其實是2009年的。那以現在2023年新的報告來講的話,它的效果並不好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].start |
20562.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].end |
20585.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
沒關係沒關係我們應該在國際上應該有更好的治療方式嗎?不一定因為從國外的資料部長那所以你的意思是說我們就放著不管了不是不是這中間有一些不一樣的有一些因為這個所謂煉銅壁我們是他的心理狀況但是他的行為行為的部分的話有一些就是 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].start |
20586.698 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].end |
20610.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
我們今天在看兒童及少年性剝削條例裡面的這種各種行為,它有製造、它有散佈、它有營利。我是指說犯罪者,因為練紅皮者他不一定是犯罪者,他沒有做這些行為,他就沒有犯罪。但我的意思是說當他犯罪了,我們怎麼樣去協助他做好的矯正治療是我今天的重點。 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].start |
20611.08 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
20618.245 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
20631.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
20657.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
如果我們社會沒有給足夠的資源因為我們現在還沒有累積有足夠的數據治療的方式來去治療這些人有些人他怕被社會被貼標籤所以他不敢講他可能是所以我覺得像比如說德國他們有一套網路的系統可以匿名的方式可以上網保密的方式接受治療在這些治療的過程當中政府也累積足夠的數據知道未來怎麼樣治療這些人 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
20658.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
20675.601 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
所以我覺得可以仿照德國的方式我的意思是說這些犯罪者我們如何避免再犯我們應該要有更積極有效的方法跟方式來去處理那我們藉著這些處理的方式我們也累積足夠的資訊醫學上的資訊未來 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
20678.183 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
20696.561 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
議員, |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
20696.661 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
20721.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
那我也提出來說我也希望我們也可以有一個網路平台因為假設比如說我有那我需要這樣的協助幫助那未來我們有一個網路的平台可以秘密的可以保密的讓這些人也可以接受一些治療避免他犯罪這是我今天質詢的重點也是我修法方向的重點這個部分跟我們報告您在提到的時候就好像是讀影讀影者 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
20722.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
20751.287 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
他本身如果他自己有想法他自己想要去做戒癮的話那就是我們希望有一個平台戒癮政府也要足夠的資源跟這樣的資訊可以治療他們但是我們這邊現在但是就是有一個他可以去尋找資源來自願來做戒癮一個是尋找資源一個是現任修法當中我們如何對於這些人犯罪者對阿這現在委員在講的這個犯罪者的話是皆有已經進入到司法系統裡面了 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
20751.807 |
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20769.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
但司法系統裡面的矯正治療效果並不好所以我再提出來我希望有有效的更好的治療方式所以我才提出來這樣的修法方向好不好好謝謝部長好謝謝接下來我們請黃仁、黃仁、黃仁委員不在我們請黃捷委員質詢 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
20778.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
20778.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
法務部 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
20789.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
20807.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
委員好好蔡市長好因為其實早上我有先說過我的提案說明裡面有三個修法的重點那其實現在我知道衛福部也很積極的要召開會議來討論這個方向那我想要強調的是其中有一條針對重置 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
20808.835 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
20832.487 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
那我早上也有提到說為什麼這個重置這麼重要是因為他是現在我們這一期犯罪以來他最主要的犯罪手法就是他從這個網站去下載然後存到他的硬碟嘛所以下載的這個行為其實在刑法裡面就有針對成人的性私密影像的重置行為做處罰了所以我是發現說而少年性剝削條例裡面並沒有這樣的 |
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20834.668 |
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20834.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
議員林岱樺 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
20849.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
20866.004 |
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是,我們尊重主管機關還有委員們的意見、見解。好,謝謝。那其實我就是希望讓大家知道說重置的這個行為是非常重要的,也要把它納入這一次的管制。那接下來我們請衛福部部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
20872.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
20894.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].text |
好部長我希望最後這段時間我們把這個法律好好的修過去作為你的成就達成那這一次的這個修法非常重要今天也要力拼修法送出是因為這一次的這個大家都很關心部分黨派都來關心我想要問的是因為就關於兒童性剝削條例的修法我已經問第三次了 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].start |
20895.499 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].end |
20919.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[585].text |
第三次來到衛環來希望趕快來把這個送出但是呢因為之前跟衛福部也一直問到說那我們現在針對這樣的犯罪的手法到底有什麼樣的主動稽查的方式主動巡查的方式那我知道其實就你們的答覆在科技偵查法還沒有出來之前我們是不是無法進行主動的巡查是這樣對嗎 |
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20921.39 |
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20936.93 |
| transcript.whisperx[586].text |
我相信技術不會因為有沒有法而有差別啦,技術如果有就是存在那裡。那因為其實我上一次來,部長也是跟我說因為沒有法源,那你們沒有法源是什麼法源,那我們現在可以怎麼修正? |
| transcript.whisperx[587].start |
20937.35 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].end |
20964.467 |
| transcript.whisperx[587].text |
現在的我之所以主張希望有法源來讓我們可以來主動偵查不是因為科技的問題而是因為你主動去在網路上面搜尋一些犯罪為了犯罪的防止去做搜尋的話有可能會侵犯到個人的隱私所以我們才希望說有一個法律來授權那行政機關可以這樣做 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].start |
20965.207 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].end |
20983.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[588].text |
對,所以我現在就是要問,所以這個法律的授權必須要由哪一個主管機關、哪一條法律來進行相關的授權在我們今天的兒少性剝削條例的修法裡面有包括在裡面嗎?如果沒有,要找哪一個單位處理?應該是要放在兒少性剝削條例裡面。 |
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20983.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].end |
21000.823 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
因為這對於兒少性剝削的這種性影像的相關的這些犯罪行為的話,它比較有的足夠的正當理由來排除說是侵犯個人隱私的這樣子的權利的保障。 |
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21001.323 |
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21024.802 |
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好,謝謝部長。所以我們今天這個兒童及少年性剝削條例,如果把這個法源授權給你們之後就可以做這件事嗎?是。好,那這是要最後跟你確認。最後再一個小補充,就是說在我們還沒有修法通過之前,你們現在是不是由民間單位可以進行相關的協助,就是這個主動巡查的部分。那如果有這樣的進度的話,你們目前這個委託的進度到哪裡了? |
| transcript.whisperx[591].start |
21025.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].end |
21040.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
目前的話我們還在做這個招標文件的設計因為這牽涉到一些技術的問題那我們也是必須要謹慎一點所以我們會找相關的這些專家給一個時程好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].start |
21041.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
21057.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
我想這個招標文件如果要完成的話,大概10天可能可以完成。招標文件的完成是10天,那之後的話還要走招標的程序。 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].start |
21058.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
21076.408 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
好,所以十天後會完成,開始走這個招標的程序?對,對,要公告啦,然後要投標啦,然後...好,希望部長我們與時間競賽,好不好?趕快把最後這個程序來補足,謝謝。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來我們請范雲委員進行諮詢。謝謝召委,有請部長。好,請部長。 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].start |
21090.035 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].end |
21090.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].start |
21091.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
21119.594 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].text |
部長午安那主要是針對兒少代表我們收到陳情就是衛福部這個主導改制可是問題是說目前改制的方案看起來是開民主倒車那我覺得蠻憂心的所以今天緊急來跟您質詢因為我的案子我早上說明已經說過了關於那個數位性暴力那兒少其實已經有公開表達就是他們的就是不能理解那請問那個部長知道這個事情嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].start |
21120.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].end |
21139.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[596].text |
我不知道這邊在談的是哪一件事情就是目前你們明天就要開會那會不會提案要修正中央兒少代表的機制那把原本是由下而上兒少代表互選從地方到中央現在要改成就是中央來圈選 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].start |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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總個團數有66人都是地方各縣市選出的那是因為沒有原住民身心障礙跟國中以下學生的保障名額所以我們的國家公約人權公約的國際代表就說這個很好增加一下原住民身心障礙弱勢者比較年紀小的 |
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那這個都可以用一個保障名額的方式至少有對不對可是你們的方式居然是變成地方政府深藏原民團體再加個推薦名單然後中央政府變成直接推選然後人數還變少 |
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九到十五人所以我想這個好像是開民主倒車那不知道部長可不可以緊急煞車再研究一下我們就是新政府要上任不要讓大家批評說我們馬上就讓兒少代表的民主被沒收好不好 |
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所以明天在行政院的兒少全體推動小組會做討論。那方案是衛福部提出來的啊?委員的意見的話我們會把它在那邊做一個表達。那這個部分就是我想是蠻重要的啦,因為就是另外還有相關的一個兒少代表的賠利機制,我們的救濟是單一民間團體賠利。 |
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新制不知道為什麼就是可能想納入更多的團體有地方政府、民間團體跟社家屬可是大家會擔心是不是多頭馬車那原本就制有擔任過地方兒少代表也是蠻好的有一點經驗新制變得沒有那任期原本兩年變成一年所以有一點點不大能夠了解這個部分然後加個退場機制如果有重大影響生育之言行應解聘 |
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我覺得這並沒有不好如果真的有爭議的兒少代表可是好像沒有一個讓他們討論的機制就直接中央就說你退場就退場所以我覺得在設計上有點傷害我們原來的這個民主跟兒少的一個 |
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接下來我們請李崑辰、李崑辰、李崑辰委員不在,我們請蔡易瑜委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].start |
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創意私訪事件 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
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我們知道說法務部這邊好像有約尋了這個裡面的會員這個會員有工程師、醫師、軍警被約談那檢查是不證實那這個讓我想到一件事啦事實上像台灣在2011年的時候曾經有討論要把美國的梅根法案把它立法後來沒有那梅根法案就是說對於這一種性侵害的加害人 |
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必須要予以公開而且讓大家可以去搜尋尤其讓社區是可以搜尋的那後來台灣沒有通過這樣的類似美國這樣所以我們還是回到個人資料保護法那以及性侵害防治法第九條個人資料保護法第六條認為在偵查不公開的前提之下這資訊是不公開的所以對於加害人的資訊 |
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通常我們不會刻意去公開除非是說因為他就在媒體曝光了那就不是在法務部的控制範圍但是這件事唯有一個例外例外就在兒少 |
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所以我們知道說在於兒童及少年福利權益保障法第九十六條就有講到了如果你涉及違反第四十八條就是說父母或監護人對於你讓你的兒童少年去從事危險不正當或其他諸以危害身心發展的工作的時候這部分必須公佈其姓名在在九十六條的規定好在第九十七條的時候規定更多的喔第九十七條是規定說你一旦有違反四十九條 |
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其中第十一個狀況就包括利用兒童及少年拍攝及錄製暴力血腥色情、猥褻性交及其他有害兒童、少年身心健康的出版品圖畫。如果你利用兒童、少年去拍攝這個影片,就必須要公布其姓名或名稱。 |
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好,這個在兒少的權利那如果這一次的創意這個司法他們目前所涉及到的違法那有沒有涉及到應該予以公開的部分這部分是我想要先詢問的 |
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如果按照法條的解釋來看的話,那這種拍攝錄製的這一個部分的話,那的確是可以來公開他的姓名。對,如果他是屬於拍攝或錄製嘛,那現在法務部可能還有一個爭議點,就應該還要等判決確定嘛。 |
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議題說他是持有或者是他是拍攝人這件事也都還不知道所以到目前為止是還不會當然說在偵查不公開還沒有判決確定權不會把它公布好那我現在想要問的就是說那誰要去負責公布姓名或名稱這個有誰來負責? |
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這個是衛福部來負責,因為這個兒權法也是主辦機關也是衛福部。好,那誰可以去使用這樣的,去得到這樣的一個資料?就是說哪些人他可能涉及到拍攝兒童或少年的以下的影片?我要怎麼去得知呢? |
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如果我要去搜尋說有誰有這樣的一個記錄,比方說這樣的人進來我的社區裡面,那我要怎麼去知道,我要去保護我的兒童?因為公布的話要看公布的方式,有一些是並沒有主動去把這個list露出來,這個細節沒有,但是他有犯哪一些法是可以...那到目前為止有公布哪些嗎? |
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目前還沒有,這用11款的,這一個沒有。目前這11款比較少?對。喔好,那問題就來了啊。你們既然法庭有這樣規定,就是說你去拍攝的人,至少創意私訪的,這一個那個叫做老馬的,現在還沒有抓到,可是他未來一定要公開他的名字。是啊。我要公開他的名字吧。是。未來是不是一定有這樣的狀況? |
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所以我應該如果說這個偵查結束起訴到後來判刑的話應該判刑確定後嗎?我現在想要了解就是說我們現在有這樣的武器去針對這樣去利用他們去拍攝的我們有這樣的一個武器那我們到底使用了嗎?這是我要這個這一次我要問的一個重點那未來我們的提案當然是要增加罰則持有的部分要增加他的 |
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這個刑度這個我都支持那只是說明明有法條這樣的規定我們應該要充分去利用讓這些去拍攝影片的人必須要繩之以法之外他必須要揭露給大家知道他有這樣的犯行好不好 |
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好,第二個部長,我們之前在討論的,就是說因為大家都在討論這個圖畫,所以大家對虛擬的現在是憂心的,那這個韓式的部分我想要問一下進度的狀況,簡單就好。已經在簽了。已經在簽了,好,那我希望可以加速。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來我們請郭育晴、郭育晴、郭育晴委員不在。陳冠廷、陳冠廷、陳冠廷委員不在。徐玉珍、徐玉珍、徐玉珍委員不在。沈伯陽、沈伯陽、沈伯陽委員不在。 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
21695.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
21699.804 |
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政政前政政前政政前委員不在。我們請張雅玲委員進行咨詢。好,謝謝主席。我們有請部長,謝謝。好,請部長。委員好。部長好。就是說四月 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
21726.503 |
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21750.42 |
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4月4日,衛福部有給立法院一份《兒童及少年性剝削防制條例》的修正建議報告。這裡面其實有講到就是這下面我在貼的這個增訂兒童性影像、在電子行政組份及下榨時限等等有三點。那我想要確認一下就是說我的理解就是說我們會簡化行政流程必要時會立即限制接取網站並且加強尋網能量並制定規範。簡單來說是不是就是這個意思?對。 |
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對齁,好,那我想要再確認一件事喔,就是相關機關指的就是性影像中心,對嗎? |
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憲宇相中心是在衛福部底下委託的一個單位,它並不是屬於機關。當時在講機關,主要是指警政、科技增防中心還有法務部這邊。 |
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21789.151 |
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21817.649 |
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等於是說跨部會的其他單位的意思就對了,相關單位。那我想要再確認一下就是說因為在衛福部下面這個單位性影像中心裡面我們目前就是說我看那個報告裡面是有講到我們從去年八月到現在總共這個將近八個月的時間移除了總共是說受理需要移除的案件有767件然後有業者完成下架的有665件所以移除成功率將近九成 |
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但是這個成績其實我覺得我不會說它不好因為畢竟只有八個月成效如何很難說但是我想我們還是需要的加進去擴大我們的所謂的量能這件事情因為我們的兒少性剝削的案例尤其在其中拍攝製造的猥褻性交織作品其實一年是有將近三千件 |
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等於是說我們現在執法的能量大概也了不起喔就大概只有最多是現實案件的23%所以我想要了解喔這個23%大概就是如果接下來我們希望可以盡量的加速的話我們是不是要來去提升我們信箱中心的一個量能還是說 |
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是不是說我們的民眾還不知道說當我遇到這個狀況的時候,我要去性影像中心求助,是這個宣傳部分我們要再加強呢?還是量能的部分要再加強呢?還是什麼樣子的部分?這個部分可不可以請部長說明一下?各位委員報告,這兩千多件,一百一十二年兩千九百多件,那事實上這個是通報,也就是說人家來申訴的。對,沒錯。 |
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21902.307 |
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但是這中間有許多是沒有王子,或者是一些資料就不完全,所以沒有辦法再進入去調查。所以說能夠去處理的就是剛剛那一張。 |
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21921.412 |
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所以等於是說2900多件裡面大概只有700多件是符合所有的資訊他可以去處理的。那這樣子的話就是說是不是等於是說民眾在通報的時候沒有把相關的資訊提供完整。那是不是就是說剛剛不好意思因為他搖頭所以我想要了解一下可不可以說明一下呢? |
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| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
21944.828 |
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跟委員說明那個2900多件是有些同學聽說誰誰誰怎麼樣是疑似的那如果是真的要影像移除當事人或者他的家人要提出他的網站還有那個影像才能夠處理所以不是通報的人提供資訊不夠清楚而是性質不同 |
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那這樣聽起來就是說我們到底真實有多少案件好像是不清楚的對不對?因為這樣看起來有些是疑似嘛對,那這樣子的話我們等於是說因為可能有很大的黑數是我們不確定那等於是我們如何的讓民眾更有意識的去來做通報這件事情就變成衛福部需要再積極的做宣導那因為我相信因為這個案件其實對傷害對受害者其實傷害非常非常的大人家都在開跑操跑在拍片 |
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21974.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具 |
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21987.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
21990.973 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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22011.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
22034.538 |
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接下來我們在過這個兒童及少年性剝削的時候,部長,因為其實有相對多的一些委員都有提出這一個,我們不能夠只有處理製造影片的人,觀看影片的人也要有相對應的條文來處理,所以這一點再請部長支持這樣,謝謝。謝謝。好,謝謝。接下來我們請圖全集、圖全集、圖全集委員不在、王世堅、王世堅、王世堅委員不在、馬文君、馬文君、馬文君委員不在。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
22042.255 |
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網美會委員不在。莊瑞雄委員不在。鄭天才委員不在。黃宏威委員不在。何欣淳委員不在。賴士寶委員不在。林柱英委員不在。羅廷偉委員不在。沈發慧委員不在。 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
22061.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
22080.654 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
本日會議詢答全部結束。委員莊瑞雄、楊耀、盧憲一、陳冠廷、圖全及林思敏、羅志強、黃仁、沈發慧所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報。作以下決議。一、說明及詢答完畢。二、委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料準。 |
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請相關機關於兩週內以書面答覆。委員令要求期限者從其鎖定。那我先做預告,今天的議程我們會進行到四點半左右,會先休息。本次會議兩天一次會,週三仍繼續開會。現在請宣讀提案條文內容,若有修正動議請一併宣讀。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
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兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案。委員黃捷等20人提案。委員林岱樺等20人提案。委員陳亭飛等16人提案。委員蘇清泉等24人提案。委員郭玉琴等16人提案。委員葛如軍等16人提案。委員徐巧興等24人提案。委員陳冠廷等18人提案。委員黃建豪等17人提案。委員林依晴等26人提案。委員李坤澄等22人提案。 |
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委員沈伯央等19人提案。委員廖偉祥等17人提案。委員廖偉祥等18人提案。委員廖偉祥等17人提案。委員王玉明等19人提案。委員黃建斌等18人提案。委員徐宇珍等26人提案。 |
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委員王世堅等16人擬具提案。委員陳金輝等16人擬具提案。委員王美惠等18人擬具提案。國民黨黨團擬具提案。委員王宏威等25人擬具提案。委員望美玲等20人擬具提案。委員賴士寶等22人擬具提案。委員鍾嘉斌等19人擬具提案。委員何新淳等16人擬具提案。委員劉建國等16人擬具提案。 |
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委員柯之恩等19人提案。委員陳素月等18人提案。委員范雲等17人提案。委員林俊憲等21人提案。委員林思明等24人提案。委員張雅玲等25人提案。委員陳培宇等19人提案。委員林月清等21人提案。現行法條文對照表。 |
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委員陳廷飛等16人提案第二條,第一項第三款文字或販賣修正為頓號販賣或持有其餘與現行法同。委員李昆城等22人提案第二條,修正第一項第三款為三拍攝製造散佈播送 |
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交付公然陳列販賣非基於正當目的持有兒童或少年之性影像與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之土化與因或其他物品以兌價取得存取傷害物品電磁記錄之權利者一同。其予以現行法同。委員徐宇貞等26人提案第二條第一項第三款文字公然陳列前面增列購買頓號。其予以現行法同。 |
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委員劉建國等16人提案第二條,第一項第三款文字販賣修正為買賣,其餘現行法同。委員林俊憲等21人提案第二條,第一項第三款文字或販賣修正為盾號販賣或無正當理由持有,其餘現行法同。委員徐草新等24人提案第三條,修正第三項如下,主管機關應會同前項相關機關,並邀集相關學者或專家、民間相關機構 |
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團體代表及目的事業主管機關代表每年至少召開一次會議,定期公布檢討、教育宣導、救援及保護、加害者處罰、安置及服務等工作成效,並建立犯罪資料庫、跨部會整合各單位通報記錄並同步訊息,其餘現行法同。委員黃玉敏等19人提案第三條,於第二項文字交通後面增列、頓耗數位發展, |
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修正第四項後段文字為,協調、研究、審議、諮詢、推動及檢討兒童及少年性剝削防制政策,其餘現行法同。委員陳金輝等16人提案第三條,修正第三項,主管機關應會同前向相關機關定期檢討、教育、宣導、救援及保護、加害者處罰、安置及服務等工作成效,並每半年公布工作會議紀錄與工作成效。增訂第四項,主管機關應統籌建立、管理兒童及少年性剝削電子資料庫 |
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公法官、檢察官、警察、醫師、護理人員、心理師、社會工作人員及其他政府機關使用,並對被害人之身份予以保密。現行第四項手具修正為主管機關應定期邀集相關學者或專家,並將現行第四項及第五項一列為第五項及第六項。 |
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憎定第七項、第四項規定電子資料庫之建立、管理及使用辦法由中央主管機關定之,其餘與現行法同。國民黨黨團提案、委員劉建國等16人提案、委員柯志恩等19人提案、委員林思明等24人提案第三條與第二項文字交通後面增列頓耗數位發展,其餘與現行法同。 |
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委員林岱琴等21人提案第三條本條例所稱主管機關在中央為衛生福利部在直轄市為直轄市政府在縣市為縣市政府主管機關執行應獨立編列預算並致專職人員辦理兒童及少年性剝削防制業務主管機關及目的事業主管機關均應辦理兒童及少年性剝削防制業務其權則劃分如下 |
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一、主管機關、主管兒童及少年性剝削防制政策之規劃、推動及督導等相關事宜、監督等相關事宜。二、設政主管機關、被害人保護、安置、庇護、輔助與定期公佈性剝削相關統計資料及其他相關事宜。三、衛生主管機關、被害人驗傷、心理輔導、身心治療與加害人身心治療 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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厲、生活及其他相關事宜。六、警政主管機關、被害人身份識別、人身安全之維護、兒童及少年性剝削犯罪調查、資料統計、加害人登記、報導、查訪、查閱及其他相關事宜。七、法務主管機關、兒童及少年性剝削犯罪偵查、矯正、徒刑執行期間治療及其他相關事宜。八、移民主管機關、臺灣地區無戶及國民、外國人、無國及人民、 |
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大陸地區人民、香港或澳門居民及兒童或少年因遭受性剝削或疑似遭受性剝削至於其停留、居留者、協助其在台居留或定居權益維護、配合協助辦理後續送返事宜、加害人為台灣地區無戶及國民、 |
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外國人、大陸地區人民、香港或澳門居民配合協助辦理後續遣返及其他相關事宜。九、通訊傳播主管機關、廣播電視、電信事業及其他由該機關依法管理之媒體違反本法規之處理及其他相關事宜。 |
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十、數位事務、主管機關、協助主管機關執行限制、接取、流量管理及其他相關事宜。十一、其他性剝削防制措施由相關目的事業主管機關依其權責辦理。前項目的事業主管機關涉及兒童及少年性剝削防制業務時應全力配合並辦理防制、教育及先導。 |
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主管機關應會同前項相關機關定期公佈並檢討教育及宣導、救援及保護、加害者處罰、安置及服務等工作成效。主管機關應邀集相關學者或專家、民間相關機構、團體代表及目的事業主管機關代表協調、研究、審議、諮詢及推動兒童及少年性剝削防制政策。 |
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前項學者、專家及民間相關機構、團體代表不得少於二分之一、任意性別不得少於三分之一。委員黃玉敏等19人提案第四條,第一項,高級中等以下學校每學期應辦理兒童及少年性剝削防制教育課程至少二小時。修正第二項序文為,前項兒童及少年性剝削教育課程內容如下,增訂第三項,幼兒園應實施兒童及少年性剝削防制教育宣導。 |
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其餘現行法同、委員陳冠廷等18人提案第五條、增列第二項為有效預防及打擊兒童及少年性剝削犯罪中央法務主管機關應建立兒童及少年性剝削犯罪資料庫提供司法及警察機關使用。其餘現行法同、 |
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委員陳金輝等16人提案。第五條,簽訂第二項及第三項如下,發生重大兒童及少年性剝削或性犯罪事件或有發生之餘,中央主管機關應緊速會同相關目的事業主管機關組成跨部會專案小組進行調查,前項專案小組之組織與運作、調查程序、報告及其他應遵行事項之辦法,由中央主管機關定之,其餘現行法同。國民黨黨團提案第五條,於據中分號前增訂。 |
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Judge以及被害人安全維護犯罪調查資料統計加害人登記報導查訪、查閱及其他相關事宜。其餘現行法同委員柯志恩等19人提案第五條與據中分號前增訂。Judge以及被害人安全維護性侵害犯罪調查 |
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資料統計、加害人登記、報導、查訪、查閱及其他相關事宜,其餘現行法同。委員林思明等24人提案第五條,於具中分號前增訂、購號以及被害人安全維護資料統計、加害人登記、報導、查訪、查閱及其他相關事宜,其餘現行法同。委員林月琴等21人提案第五條,增訂第二項及第三項如下,為辦理本法第二條第一項第三款性剝削行為之被害人身份識別、犯罪偵查、警政主管機關、 |
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因指定或設立專責單位辦理下列事項。一、建立被害人性影像資料庫系統,針對身份未知之被害人性影像進行辨識,並利用性影像資料庫協助犯罪偵查。二、依法院檢察官或司法檢察機關請求提供資料庫相關資料,進行被害人識別。 |
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犯罪偵查及審判程序。三、其他與被害人性影像有關之事項有關第二項性影像資料庫之資料儲存、管理、使用、提供辦法由主管機關會同內政部定之。委員林岱樺等20人提案。第八條第一項默具修正為應先移除與第四章犯罪有關之網頁資料其餘現行法同。委員徐巧興等24人提案第八條修正第二項倒數第二具為應保留三百六十日其餘現行法同。 |
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委員陳金輝等16人提案第八條,修正第二項倒數第二具為應保留一年其餘現行法同。委員范雲等17人提案第八條,第一項文字透過修正為接貨並修正末具為應於二十四小時內先行限制瀏覽會議處於第四章犯罪有關之網頁資料。增訂第二項,前項網頁犯罪情節重大或曾遭限制接取者為 |
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主旨犯罪、危害之發生或避免急迫危險而有及時處置之必要時,主管機關得及時強制、限制接取。第二項具首文字前修正為第一,並一列為第三項,現行第三項一列為第四項,增併第五項及第六項如下。網際網路平台提供者、網際網路應用服務提供者及電信事業應設置相關被害人申訴管道,並公開揭示之。 |
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如網際網路平台提供者、網際網路應用服務提供者及電信事業,位於境外,警察機關仍應積極協助被害者,聯繫相關平台及業者,訴請移除第四章之犯罪嫌疑情勢相關資訊,必要時得請求法務主管機關協助,透過國際刑事司法互助,向外國政府、機構或國際組織尋求 |
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協助請求區域縣刑法同委員林思敏等24人提案第八條與第一項具末增列逗號並應通報主管機關或第五條所定機關或人員支持不得超過48小時區域縣刑法同委員林岱琴等21人提案第八條修正第一項如下網際網路平台提供者、網際網路應用服務提供者及網際網路接取服務提供者透過主管機關 |
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則有第四章之犯罪嫌疑情勢應先行限制瀏覽或移除與第四章犯罪有關之網頁資料。其餘現行法同委員黃毓民等十九人提案增訂第八條之一。主管機關得知網頁資料有第四章之犯罪嫌疑情勢,任由阻止犯罪危害之發生或避免急或危險需及時處置之必要時,得通知目的事業主管機關及網路內容防護機構。 |
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而對移除或下架被害人之性影像或停止解析與犯罪有關之往遇名稱。 |
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委員徐巧欣等24人提案第15條、修正第二項第二款如下。二、送交適當場所緊急安置、保護及提供服務,並提供心理諮詢與輔導課程至少18小時,其與現行法同。委員黃健豪等17人提案第28條與第一項中間文字39條第一項第三項後面增列頓號第四項文字,其與現行法同。委員張雅玲等25人提案第28條、修正第一項具中39條第一項及檢察官之間的文字為 |
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第二項頓耗、第四項之罪者、被害人、其與現行法同。委員廖偉祥等17人提案第三十條,修正第一項蓄違默劇違,其期間至少三年或其年滿二十歲址,並增訂第三項爐下,地方主管機關依第一項辦理提供就學就業、自立生活或其他必要之協助, |
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中央主管機關應於補助所需之經費,其餘現行法同。委員徐巧欣等24人提案第31條,修正第二項默惡巨違,除五年以下有期徒刑,拘役或新台幣五十萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。委員徐巧欣等24人提案第32條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下,第一項,除三年以上十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,以加速販資者益同。第二項,除五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑, |
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22904.555 |
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並科新臺幣五百萬元以下罰金,第三項處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑,得並科新臺幣三百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。委員王世堅等十六人提案第三十二條,修正行度如下,第一項處三年以上七年以下有期徒刑,第三項處三年以上七年以下有期徒刑,其餘現行法同。委員鍾家斌等十九人提案第三十二條,修正行度如下,第一項處五年以上有期徒刑,第二項處七年以上有期徒刑,第三項處五年以上有期徒刑,其餘現行法同。 |
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22904.935 |
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22920.166 |
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委員劉建國等十六人提案第三十二條修正行動如下,第一項處三年以上七年以下有期徒刑,第二項處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,第三項處三年以上七年以下有期徒刑,其餘現行法同。委員徐巧興等二十四人提案第三十二條。 |
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22921.047 |
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22935.889 |
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修正行度如下,第一項,處十年以上有期徒刑,第二項,處十年以上有期徒刑或無期徒刑,第三項,處五年以上、十二年以下有期徒刑,其與現行法同。委員中嘉賓等十九人提案第三十三條,修正行度如下,第一項,處十年以上有期徒刑, |
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22936.249 |
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22959.464 |
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第二項處十二年以上有期徒刑,第三項處七年以上有期徒刑,其餘現行罰同。委員劉靖國等十六人提案第三十三條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下,第一項處十年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金,第二項處十二年以上有期徒刑,併科新台幣一千二百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行罰同。委員徐巧興等二十四人提案第三十四條,修正刑度如下第一項, |
| transcript.whisperx[679].start |
22960.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[679].end |
22975.561 |
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שוב十年以上有期徒刑第三項除五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑其餘現行法通委員鍾佳濱等十九人提案第三十四條修正行動如下第一項處十年以上有期徒刑第三項處七年以上有期徒刑其餘現行法通 |
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22976.101 |
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23000.545 |
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委員徐巧興等24人提案。第三十五條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,除五年以上、十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第二項,除十年以上有期徒刑或無期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,持有現行法同。委員鍾佳冰等19人提案。第三十五條,修正刑度如下。第一項,除七年以上有期徒刑,第二項,除十年以上有期徒刑,持有現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[681].start |
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23017.253 |
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委員劉建國等十六人提案第三十五條修正刑度與罰款額度如下第一項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處十年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行罰同。委員黃捷等二十人提案第三十六條,修正第一項具首為拍攝、製造、重製兒童或少年之性影像,並修正莫具為得併科新台幣二百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行罰同。委員徐巧興等二十四人提案第三十六條, |
| transcript.whisperx[682].start |
23030.899 |
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23051.089 |
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修正刑度與罰款額度無下第一項,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第三項,處十年以上有期徒刑或無期徒刑,得併科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金。第六項,莫具修正為莫收之並於 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].start |
23052.15 |
| transcript.whisperx[683].end |
23070.158 |
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判決確定後銷毀其餘現行法同。委員陳冠廷等18人提案第36條修正刑度與罰款而度如下。第一項,除一年六個月以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第二項,除五年以上、十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[684].start |
23070.738 |
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23096.381 |
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第三項,處十年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。委員李昆城等22人提案第36條,修正刑度如下。第一項,處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。第二項,處五年以上、十二年以下有期徒刑。第三項,處十年以上有期徒刑,其餘現行法同。委員王世堅等16人提案第36條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].start |
23097.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[685].end |
23126.401 |
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則併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。則併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第三項,處七年以上有期徒刑。則併科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金。其餘現行法同。國民黨黨團提案第三十六條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。則併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金,並公佈姓名及照片。第二項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑。則併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,並公佈姓名及照片。 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].start |
23126.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[686].end |
23137.947 |
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第三項,處10年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣700萬元以下罰金,並公佈姓名及照片。第六項,莫具修正為,莫收並於判決確定後銷毀之,其予現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].start |
23139.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].end |
23145.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[687].text |
委員王宏偉等21人提案第36條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處10年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣200萬元以下罰金。第二項,處12年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣600萬元以下罰金。第三項,處15年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣1000萬元以下罰金。其餘現行罰同。委員鍾嘉斌等19人提案第36條,修正刑度如下。第一項,處5年以上有期徒刑。第二項,處7年以上有期徒刑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].start |
23165.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
23180.749 |
| transcript.whisperx[688].text |
第三項處十年以上有期徒刑,其餘現行法同。委員劉建國等十六人提案第36條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項處三年以上七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第二項處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑, |
| transcript.whisperx[689].start |
23181.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].end |
23184.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
則並科新臺幣五百萬元以下罰金,第三項處十年上有期徒刑,則並科新臺幣一千萬元以下罰金,其餘現行罰同。委員柯智恩等十九人提案第36條,第一項至第三項具墨軍增列、逗號,同時公佈姓名及照片, |
| transcript.whisperx[690].start |
23196.85 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].end |
23211.267 |
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並依性侵害犯罪防治法第31條之規定接受身心治療、輔導或教育其餘現行法同。委員陳素月等18人提案第36條,修正第一項刑度與罰款額度如下,處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].start |
23211.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
23218.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
得併科新臺幣200萬元以下罰金,其餘與現行法同。委員范雲等17人提案第36條,修正第一項刑度與罰款額度如下,處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑。得併科新臺幣200萬元以下罰金,其餘與現行法同。委員林思敏等24人提案第36條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下,第一項處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。得併科新臺幣100萬元以上、300萬元以下罰金,並公布姓名與相片與主管機關網站,並供民眾查詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].start |
23241.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
23262.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
厲二、處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以上、三百萬元以下罰金,並公佈姓名與相片於主管機關網站,並供民眾查詢。第三項,處十年以上、有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以上、五百萬元以下罰金,並公佈姓名與相片於主管機關網站,並供民眾查詢。增併第七項如下,以 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].start |
23263.061 |
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23290.86 |
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以第一項自第三項之圖畫、語音、影像或其他物品,恐嚇他人生命、身體、自由、名譽或財產自身危害與安全者,依各該條項之規定,加重其刑至三分之二。原第七項已列為第八項,其餘與現行法同。委員陳培宇等十九人提案第36條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣二百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處五年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
23291.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
23310.923 |
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則併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金,第三項處十年以上有期徒薪,則併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行罰同。委員林岱樺等21人提案第36條,修正第一項具首具為拍攝製造重製兒童或少年之性影像,並修正末具為得併科新台幣二百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行罰同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].start |
23312.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
23329.545 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
委員郭玉琴等16人提案第38條,修正行度如下。第一項,處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。第二項,處三年以上、五年以下有期徒刑。其與現行法同。委員徐曉清等24人提案第38條,修正行度如下。第一項, |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
23330.806 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
23359.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。第五項,最後一具修正為沒收並於案件判決確定後銷毀之,其餘以現行法同。委員陳冠廷等十八人提案第三十八條,修正刑度與罰款,額度如下。第一項,處一年六個月以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處一年以上、五年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,其餘以現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].start |
23361.104 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].end |
23377.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
委員李坤澄等22人、王玉敏等19人提案第38條,修正行動如下,第一項處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑,第二項處一年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,須以現行法同。委員徐玉珍等26人提案第38條第一項,將購買納入 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
23380.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].end |
23396.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
犯罪行為類型予以處罰。其餘與現行法同。委員王世堅等16人提案第三十八條,修正行動如下。第一項,處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑。第二項,處三年以上、七年五年以下有期徒刑。其餘與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].start |
23397.981 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
23413.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
國民黨團提案第三十八條第一項修正刑度與罰款而度為處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑、得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金並公布姓名及照片。第二項最後一具增訂文字並公布姓名及照片。 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].start |
23414.286 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].end |
23428.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
第五項最後一句修正為默說並於案件判決確定後銷毀之,其餘現行法同。委員王宏威等25人提案第38條第一項修正行度為處七年以上有期徒刑,其餘現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
23430.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
23457.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
委員鍾家斌等19人提案第38條修正行度如下,第一項處五年以上有期徒刑,第二項處五年以上、十二年以下有期徒刑,局以現行法同。委員劉建國等16人提案第38條修正行度與罰款額度如下,第一項處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金,第二項處一年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,局以現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
23459.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
23481.4 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
委員柯之恩等19人提案第38條,第一項,最後一句徵定文字,同時公佈姓名及照片,並依《性侵害犯罪防治法》第31條規定接受身心治療、輔導或教育。第二項,最後一句徵定文字,同時公佈姓名及照片,並依《性侵害犯罪防治法》第31條規定接受身心治療、輔導或教育。 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].start |
23484.021 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
23511.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
委員陳樹岳等十八人、陳培宇等十九人、第三十八條修正行動如下,第一項處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,第二項處一年以上、五年以下有期徒刑,其與現行法同。委員范雲等十七人提案第三十八條,將重置納入第二項犯罪類型予以處罰,並修正第一項行動處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,第三項將支付對價而持有或關人入法, |
| transcript.whisperx[704].start |
23512.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
23530.443 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
憎定第六項犯本條之罪而違反《個人資料保護法》,如洩漏被害人個人資料、姓名、出生年月日、住居所、學校、資產及其他族之識別及身份之資料者,加重其刑至二分之一及與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
23532.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
23560.612 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
委員林思敏等二十四人提案第38條修正行動與罰款而渡如下。第一項,處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以上、五百萬元以下罰金,並公布姓名與相片與主管機關網站,並供民眾查詢。第二項,得併科新台幣三十萬元以上、三百萬元以下罰金,並公布姓名與相片與主管機關網站,並供民眾查詢。其餘現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].start |
23562.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
23564.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
委員黃捷等20人提案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
23565.663 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
23594.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
第三十九條第一項修正刑度與罰款額度處二年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣三萬元以上一百萬元以下罰金許以現行法同。委員林岱樺等二十人提案第三十九條無正當理由持有、購買兒童或少年之性影像與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之圖畫、語音或其他物品處三年以上有期徒刑得併科新台幣一百萬元以上 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].start |
23595.559 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].end |
23611.757 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
罰金。犯前向之罪者應令其接受十二小時以下之輔導教育其附著物、圖畫及物品不問屬於此有人與否,莫入之。查獲第一項之圖畫與應其他物品及其附著物 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].start |
23612.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
23636.497 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫收之。委員陳廷飛等十六人提案第39條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處三年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處新台幣十萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰金。第三項,處新台幣三十萬元以上、一百五十萬元以下罰金,須以現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
23637.577 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
23657.936 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
委員蘇清泉等二十四人提案第39條修正行動與罰款額度如下,第一項處五年以下有期徒刑、拘役或科或併科新台幣三十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金,第二項處新台幣五萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰款,第三項處新台幣十萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰金,其餘現行罰同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
23659.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
23679.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
委員過疫情等十六人提案第39條修正行動與罰款額度不下。第一項,無證章理由持有及購買兒童或少年資訊影像處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑、拘役或科或併科新台幣三十萬元以上、三百萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
23680.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
23693.471 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
第二項,第一具修正為無正章理由持有及購買兒童或少年與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之圖畫、語音或其他物品,須以現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
23694.69 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
23714.622 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
委員葛如君等16人提案第39條修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項處一年以上、三年以下有期徒刑得併科新台幣三萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰金,其餘以現行法同。委員曲曉清等24人提案第39條修正刑度與罰款額度如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
23715.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
23740.668 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
而度如下,第一項處三年以下由其徒刑,拘役並科新台幣三十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金第二項處新台幣五萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰款,並得令其接受十小時之輔導教育第三項處新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金第四項最後具修正為沒收並於判決確定後銷毀之及以現行法同 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
23741.926 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
23768.824 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
委員黃建豪等17人提案第三十九條,增訂第四項,購買兒童或少年之性影像或與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之圖畫、語音或其他物品處一年以上、七年以下有其圖形,得併科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金。原第四項、第一為第五項必修正為查獲之第一項、第三項及第四項之附著物、圖畫及物品 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
23769.665 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
23773.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫收之,取以現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
23775.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
23801.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
委員李坤誠等22人提案第39條、增訂第四項以對價取得存取上開物品電池記錄之權利者以此有論。而第四項、第一為第五項並修正為查獲之第一項及第三項之附著物、圖畫及物品,不論屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫受之區域現行法同。委員沈伯陽等19人提案第39條, |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
23803.434 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
23822.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
修正罰款額度如下,第一項,居易或科或病科新台幣六萬元以上、六十萬元以下罰金。第二項,儲新台幣二萬元以上、二十萬元以下罰款。第三項,儲新台幣三萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰金及現行法同。委員廖偉祥等十八人, |
| transcript.whisperx[719].start |
23823.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
23851.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
王世堅等十六人、王美惠等十八人、第三十九條、第一項修正刑度處三年以下有期徒刑、其予以現行法同。委員王玉敏等十九人提案第三十九條、增訂第五項支付對價犯第一項及第二項之犯罪者。依各該條項之規定加重其刑制二分之一、其予以現行法同。委員黃建斌等十八人提案第三十九條、 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
23852.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
23859.474 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
第二項,修正輔導教育時數為10小時以上、20小時以下之輔導教育區域現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
23861.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
23888.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
委員陳金輝等16人提案第39條修正行度與罰款額度如下。第一項處一年以上、五年以下有期徒刑、拘役或科或病科新台幣30萬元以上、100萬元以下罰金。第二項處新台幣5萬元以上、30萬元以下罰款。第三項處新台幣10萬元以上、50萬元以下罰金。其餘現行法同。國民黨團提案第39條 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
23890.422 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
23917.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
第一項修正刑度與罰款額度處三年以下有期徒刑、拘役並科新台幣30萬元以上、300萬元以下罰金並公布姓名及照片。第二項修正罰款額度與輔導教育時數為處新台幣5萬元以上、50萬元以下罰還並得令其接受5小時以上、15小時以下之輔導教育並增訂最後一句文字並公布姓名及照片。 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
23917.748 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
23937.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
第三項,修正罰款額度處新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金。第四項,最後一具修正為沒收並於判決確定後銷毀之。其餘先行法同。委員黃捷等25人提案第39條,第一項,修正刑度與罰款額度處三年以上, |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
23939.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
23954.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
三年以下有期徒刑具役得併科新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金,取以現行法同。委員賴世保等二十二人提案第三十九條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處二年以下有期 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
23955.05 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
23980.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
有期徒刑、居易或科或病科新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金,第二項處新台幣三萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰款,第三項處一年以下有期徒刑、居易或科或病科新台幣六萬元以上、六十萬元以下罰金,取以現行法同。委員鍾嘉斌等十九人提案第三十九條,第一項修正刑度處三年以上、 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
23982.395 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
23996.736 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
十年以下有期徒刑,其餘以現行法同。委員何新淳等16人提案第39條,增訂第二項以金錢或對價關係取得兒童或少年之性影響者處五年以下徒刑, |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
23998.979 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
24015.437 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
並科新台幣200萬元以下罰金其餘現行法同。委員柯智恩等19人提案第39條徵訂第一項最後一句文字,同時公佈姓名及照片,並依新侵害犯罪反制法第31條規定接受身心治療、輔導或教育。 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].start |
24017.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
24038.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
曾定第二項最後一句文字,同時公布姓名及照片,依《性侵害犯罪防治法》第31條之規定接受身心治療、輔導或教育。曾定第三項最後一句文字,並依《性侵害犯罪防治法》第31條之規定接受身心治療、輔導或教育,須以現行法同,委員陳樹岳等。 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
24039.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
24065.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
厲十八人提案第三十九條、增訂第二項以金錢或對價關係取得兒童或少年之性影像者處五年以下有期徒刑並科新台幣二百萬元以下罰金其餘以現行法同。委員范雲等十七人擬具林俊憲等二十一人提案第三十九條第一項修正刑度處三年以下有期徒刑其餘以現行法同。委員林思明等二十四人 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
24066.494 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
24091.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
第三十九條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處三年以下有期徒刑、拘役或科或併科新台幣三十萬元以上、三百萬元以下罰金,並公布姓名與相片於主管機關網站,並供民眾查詢。第二項,處新台幣三萬元以上、十萬元以下罰款,並增訂最後一句文字,並公布姓名與相片於主管機關網站,並供民眾查詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].start |
24093.803 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
24105.039 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].text |
第三項,處新台幣六萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰金,並得令其接受四小時以下之輔導教育,須以現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].start |
24106.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].end |
24129.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[732].text |
委員張雅琳等25人提案第39條修正刑度與罰款額度如下,第一項處一年以上、三年以下有歧途刑、拘役或科或併科新台幣十萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰金。增訂第二項無證章理由,故意下載兒童或少年之性一項處一年以上、三年以下有歧途刑、拘役或科或併科新台幣十萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].start |
24130.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].end |
24156.03 |
| transcript.whisperx[733].text |
原第二項、第一為第三項修正罰款額度儲清臺幣三萬元以上、十萬元以下罰還。原第三項、第一為第四項修正罰款額度儲清臺幣五萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰金。原第四項、第一為第五項查獲之第一項、第二項及第四項之附著物、土化及物品不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫說之其與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].start |
24158.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].end |
24178.391 |
| transcript.whisperx[734].text |
委員陳培宇等19人提案第39條修正行度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處三年以下有期徒刑、居易或科或病科新台幣九萬元以上、九十萬元以下罰金。第二項,處新台幣三萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰款。第三項,處新台幣六萬元以上、六十萬元以下罰金及現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].start |
24179.232 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].end |
24202.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[735].text |
委員林岱琴等21人提案第39條第一項修正罰款額度,得併科新台幣三萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金,其餘與現行罰同。委員林怡瑾等26人提案第39條之一,吳聖章理由購買兒童或少年之性以下處七年六月以下有期徒刑, |
| transcript.whisperx[736].start |
24203.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].end |
24231.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[736].text |
具役或科或病科新台幣七十五萬元以下罰金,無證單理由購買兒童或少年與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之塗化、語音或其他物品,第一次被查獲者處新台幣一萬元以上十萬元以下罰款,並得令即接受二小時以上、十小時以下之輔導教育,其附著物、塗化及物品不問屬於持有人與否沒入之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].start |
24232.685 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].end |
24254.363 |
| transcript.whisperx[737].text |
無正當理由購買兒童或少年與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之塗化與因或其他物品第二次以上被查獲者,屬新台幣二萬元以上、二十萬元以下罰金。查獲之第一項及第三項之附著物、塗化及物品,不論屬於犯罪行為的人與否,莫收之。 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].start |
24255.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].end |
24277.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[738].text |
委員徐曉欣等二十四人國民黨黨團提案。第四十條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第一項,處五年以下由期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處七年以下由期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,予以與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
24278.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].end |
24296.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].text |
委員陳冠廷等18人提案第四十條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下,第一項,處一年以上、三年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處一年以上、五年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金,其餘與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].start |
24297.479 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].end |
24325.375 |
| transcript.whisperx[740].text |
委員鍾嘉斌等十九人提案第四十條修正行度如下第一項處六月以上五年以下有期徒刑第二項處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑取以以現行法同委員劉建國等十六人提案第四十條第二項修正罰款額度為併科三百萬元以下罰金取以以現行法同委員范雲等十七人提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].start |
24326.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].end |
24335.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[741].text |
第四十條第一項第一句後段以宣傳品、出版品或 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].start |
24337.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].end |
24356.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[742].text |
出版品、廣播、電視、電信、網際網路或其他方法、散布、傳送、刊登或粘貼主語、誘拐、引誘、媒介、暗示或其他使兒童或少年有遭受第二條、第一項、第一款至第三款非對價性交或猥褻行為之餘。 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].start |
24357.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].end |
24378.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[743].text |
Judge 訊息者處三年以下有歧途型,得併科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。委員范雲等十七人提案第四十條之一,十八歲以上之人透過通訊服務傳送上部具性意涵或或旨在鼓勵作出具性意涵之訊息 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].start |
24380.503 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].end |
24393.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[744].text |
與十六歲以下之人處二、兩年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金,前項所稱具性意涵之訊息,包括文字、圖畫、照片、影片、影帶、觀點、電子訊號等材料。 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].start |
24402.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].end |
24425.305 |
| transcript.whisperx[745].text |
委員黃健豪等17人提案第43條,分別修正第一項及第二項倒數第二具為頓耗第四項,其餘現行法同。委員鍾嘉斌等19人提案第43條,分別修正第一項及第二項末具為得減輕其刑,其餘現行法同。委員張雅琳等25人提案第43條,修正第一項倒數第二具為第二項頓耗第四項之犯罪者,其餘現行法同。委員陳廷飛等16人提案第44條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].start |
24428.627 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].end |
24454.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[746].text |
除五年以下有期徒刑,得併科興台幣一百萬元以下罰金,其與現行罰同。委員葛禄君等十六人提案第四十四條,支付對價關染兒童或少年為性交或猥褻之行為或兒童或少年之性影像者,除一年以上三年以下有期徒刑,得併科興台幣三萬元以上三十萬元以下罰金,支付對價購買前項關染服務或性影像或取得其會員資格者一同。委員徐巧欣等二十四人提案第四十四條, |
| transcript.whisperx[747].start |
24454.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].end |
24480.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[747].text |
修正刑度及罰款金額如下。處六個月以上、五年以下有期徒刑。具役或科或病科新台幣十萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰金。其餘現行法同。委員廖偉祥等十八人提案第四十四條。支付對價關懶兒童或少年為性交或猥褻之行為或持有兒童及少年之性影響者。處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。具役或科或病科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金。委員王世堅等十六人提案第四十四條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].start |
24481.317 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].end |
24502.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[748].text |
之父對價關乃兒童或少年為性教或猥褻之行為者,處三年以上五年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。之父對價而持有兒童或少年之性影像者,依前項之規定處斷。查獲前項之附著物、圖畫及物品,不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫收之。國民黨黨團提案第四十四條,修正刑度。 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].start |
24502.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].end |
24503.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[749].text |
則並科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].start |
24528.692 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].end |
24548.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[750].text |
因而持有者加重其刑至二分之一委員鍾嘉斌等十九人提案第四十四條修正刑度如下處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑而併科新台幣三萬元以上三十萬元以下罰金其予現行法同委員范雲等十七人提案第四十四條修正刑度如下處三年以下有期徒刑拘役其予現行法同 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].start |
24548.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].end |
24570.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[751].text |
委員林俊憲等21人提案第44條,修正刑度及罰款金額如下,處一年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金,持有現行法同。委員張雅玲等25人提案第44條,修正刑度及罰款金額如下,處一年以上、三年以下有期徒刑,居易或科或併科新台幣十萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰金,持有現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].start |
24571.135 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].end |
24588.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[752].text |
委員陳培鈺等19人提案第44條,修正刑度及罰款金額如下,處三年以下有期徒刑,拘役或科或併科新台幣九萬元以上九十萬元以下罰金,增訂第二項如下,支付兌價而持有兒童及少年之性影像者,依前項之規定處斷,其與現行法同。委員林岳晴等21人提案第44條,支付兌價關懶兒童或少年為性交或猥褻之行為者,處三年以下有期徒刑, |
| transcript.whisperx[753].start |
24597.872 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].end |
24616.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[753].text |
則併科新台幣三萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金,無正當理由購買取得違反第四章規定之網際網路內容提供者之會員資格,並有適時逐任支付對價取得兒童或少年性影響者,除一年以下有期徒刑。具役或科或併科新台幣三萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].start |
24617 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].end |
24631.554 |
| transcript.whisperx[754].text |
委員張雅琳等二十五人提案,增訂第四十四條之一如下,無正當理由故意觀覽兒童或少年為性教或猥褻之行為或性影響者,處一年以下有期徒刑拘役或科或併科新台幣三萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].start |
24633.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].end |
24648.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[755].text |
委員徐喬興等24人提案第45條,修正刑度與罰則如下。第一項,處新台幣一百萬元以上、五百萬元以下罰還,並令其一個月內限期改善。藉其為改善者,由直轄市縣市主管機關,以請目的事業主管機關依法勒令停業。 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].start |
24649.187 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].end |
24671.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[756].text |
第二項,處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金。第三項,處五年以上、十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金,其與現行法同。國民黨黨團提案第45條,修正刑度與罰則如下第一項,處新台幣五十萬元以上、五百萬元以下罰還,並令其限期改善,藉其為改善者由直轄市縣市主管機關以行目的事業主管機關依法令 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].start |
24672.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].end |
24700.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[757].text |
依法令其勒令停頁。第二項,處三年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第三項,處五年以上十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金,其與現行法同。委員鍾佳冰等十九人提案第四十五條,修正刑度如下。第二項,處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑。第三項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,其與現行法同。委員劉建國等十六人提案第四十五條,修正刑度與罰款額度如下。第二項,處五年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].start |
24701.767 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].end |
24730.587 |
| transcript.whisperx[758].text |
第三項,處三年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,則並科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。委員林岱樺等20人提案第四十七條,修正序文第三句為,由目的事業主管機關處新台幣一百萬元以下罰還,命修正第一款為,一違反第八條第一項規定,未先行移除,其餘現行法同。委員陳冠廷等十八人提案第四十七條,修正序文第三句為,由目的事業主管機關處新台幣二十萬元以下五百萬元以下罰還,其餘現行法同。委員陳金輝等十六人提案第四十七條, |
| transcript.whisperx[759].start |
24731.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].end |
24754.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[759].text |
修正第二款第二具為為保留資料一年其餘現行法同。委員陳佩玉等19人提案第47條修正序文第三具為由目的事業主管機關處新台幣二十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰款,並修正第一款為一違反第八條第一項規定為先行移除其餘現行法同。委員林岱琴等21人提案第47條刪除第一項第三具目的事業等文字,增訂第二項如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].start |
24755.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].end |
24782.417 |
| transcript.whisperx[760].text |
除前項情形外,任網頁資料有第四章之犯罪嫌疑情勢,非立即移除該資訊或限制其接取或採取適當之流量管理措施者,他人利益將遭受難以回復之重大損害或有急迫必要性,為阻止犯罪危害之發生或避免急迫危險,主管機關得先令限制接取或採取適當之流量管理措施,並於三日內向法院申請緊急資訊限制令。法院認為不 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].start |
24783.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].end |
24807.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
應准許者應於二十四小時內撤銷之。其餘現行法同。委員李昆城等22人提案第五十條。修正第一項默惡據如下。由各目的事業主管機關儲新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰還,並得按次處罰。其餘現行法同。委員林思明等24人提案第五十條。修正第一項默惡據如下。儲新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰還。其餘現行法同。委員黃捷等20人提案第五十一條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].start |
24808.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].end |
24814.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[762].text |
犯第31條第2項、第36條第1項、第38條第1項、第39條第1項至第3項或第44條之罪、經判決有罪或還起訴處分確定者,指下是先知主管機關應對其實施4小時以上、50小時以下之輔導教育或72小時之身心治療。前項輔導教育或身心治療屆滿前,經評估任有繼續執行之必要者, |
| transcript.whisperx[763].start |
24829.801 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].end |
24854.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
直轄市縣市主管機關得延長之福島教育延長不得於二十小時,身心治療不得於二十四小時。第一項福島教育及身心治療之執行,主管機關得協調矯正機關與犯罪行為人服刑期間辦理,矯正機關應提供場地及必要之協助。無證當理而不接受第一項之福島教育或身心治療或拒不完成其實述者,處刑台幣六千元以上三萬元以下罰還,並得按次處罰。 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].start |
24855.703 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].end |
24869.452 |
| transcript.whisperx[764].text |
第1項輔導、教育及生氣治療之內容、程序、期間及其他相關事項由中央主管機關定之。委員黃建豪等17人提案第51條。修正第1項前段文字如下。犯第31條第2項、第36條第2項、第38條第1項、第39條第1項、第3項、第4項或第44條之罪。其餘與現行法同。委員李昆城等22人提案第51條。 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].start |
24878.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].end |
24893.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[765].text |
修正第三項倒數第二具為儲新台幣六千元以上六萬元以下罰還。增訂第四項及第五項如下。犯第三十一條第二項、第三十六條第一項、第三十八條第一項、第三十九條第一項至第三項或第四十四條之罪,經判決有罪。 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].start |
24893.706 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].end |
24922.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[766].text |
或還起訴處分確定者,經評估任有施以身心治療之必要者,直轄市縣市主管機關應令其接受身心治療。無正當理由不接受前項之身心治療者,處心台幣一萬元以上、八萬元以下罰還,並得按次處罰。其餘現行法同。委員黃建斌等18人提案第五十一條,修正第一項默據為,直轄市縣市主管機關應對其實施十小時以上五十小時以下之輔導教育。其餘現行法同。委員萬梅林等20人提案第五十一條, |
| transcript.whisperx[767].start |
24922.702 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].end |
24928.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[767].text |
修正第一項如下。犯第31條、第二項、第36條、第一項、第38條、第一項、第二項、第39條、第一項、第三項、第40條或第44條之罪、經判決有罪或還起訴處分確定者,直轄市縣市主管機關應對其實施八小時以上、一百小時以下之輔導、教育、其餘現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].start |
24942.418 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].end |
24957.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[768].text |
委員何新淳等16人提案第五十一條,修正第一項後段如下:「精英評估任有施以身心治療、輔導或教育之必要者,只想事先是主管機關應令其接受身心治療、輔導或教育。」刪除現行第二項及第三項,並新增第二、三、四項如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].start |
24958.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].end |
24983.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[769].text |
前項規定對於犯罪後經驅逐或限制或限令出境者不適用之。第一項之執行期間為三年以下。執行期間見覽前,經評估任有繼續執行之必要者,指下施限制主管機關得延長之最長不得於一年。其無繼續執行之必要者,得停止其處分之執行。前項經評估任無繼續執行之必要者,與其登記報到期間經評估任有施以身心治療、輔導或教育之必要。 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].start |
24983.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].end |
25007.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[770].text |
直轄市縣市主管機關應令其在接受身心治療、輔導或教育其執行期間應與並記且不得於前項執行期間之規定其與現行法同。委員陳素悅等18人提案第五十一條修正第一項具中文字為經判決有罪或還起訴處分確定並經評估其與與委員何新淳等16人提案同。委員范雲等17人提案第五十一條修正第一項莫具為 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].start |
25008.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
25011.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
直轄市縣市儲管機關應對其實施八小時以上、五十小時以下之輔導教育,並修正第三項莫具為並得按次處罰至其參加為止,其餘與現行法同。委員林均憲等21人提案第51條第一項具莫增列文字如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].start |
25025.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
25048.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
bicy 任有施以身心治療、輔導或教育之必要者,直轄市縣市主管機關應令其接受身心治療、輔導或教育修正第二項具首為前項輔導、教育、身心治療之執行,並修正第三項如下。無證當理由不接受第一項或第三十九條第二項之輔導、教育、身心治療或具不完整輔導、教育之實屬者,處新台幣六千元以上、三萬元以下罰還,並得按次處罰。 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].start |
25055.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].end |
25076.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[773].text |
修正第一項末具為縣市主管機關應對其實施八小時以上、五十小時以下之輔導、教育。修正第二項末二具如下,處心台幣三萬元以上、十萬元以下罰款,並得按次處罰,其餘現行法同。委員張雅玲等25人提案第五十一條,修正第一項及第三項如下,犯第三十一條第二項、第三十六條第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].start |
25078.041 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].end |
25103.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[774].text |
第一項、第三十八條、第一項、第三十九條、第一項、第二項、第四項、第四十四條或第四十四條之一之罪經判決有罪或還起訴處分確定者直轄市縣市主管機關應對其實施四小時以上、五十小時以下之輔導教育必要時並得公布其姓名或名稱。無正當理由不接受第一項或第三十九條第三項之輔導教育或拒不完成其實訴者處刑台幣六千元以上、三萬元以下罰還。 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].start |
25104.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].end |
25110.74 |
| transcript.whisperx[775].text |
並得按次處罰。區域現行法同委員林岱琴等21人提案第51條修正第一項默劇為直轄市縣市主管機關應對其實施四小時以上、五十小時以下之輔導教育或七十二小時之身心治療增訂第二項如下前項輔導教育或身心治療建馬前 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].start |
25122.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].end |
25138.071 |
| transcript.whisperx[776].text |
經評估,任由繼續執行之必要者、直轄市縣市主管機關得延長之,輔導教育延長不得於二十小時,身心治療不得於二十四小時。修正現行第二項守具為第一項輔導教育及身心治療之執行,並以列為第三項。修正現行第三項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].start |
25139.051 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].end |
25157.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[777].text |
守據為,無證當理由不接受第一項之輔導、教育或身心治療,並以列為第四項,增訂第五項如下。第一項輔導、教育及身心治療之內容、程序、期間及其他相關事項由中央主管機關定之,其餘現行法同。委員黃建豪等17人提案增訂第五十一條之一如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].start |
25158.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].end |
25179.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[778].text |
護導教育實施完畢後,經評估任有施以身心治療之必要者、直轄市縣市主管機關應令其接受身心治療,前向之執行期間為三年以下,執行期間屆滿前。經評估任有繼續執行之必要者、直轄市縣市主管機關得延長之最長不得於一年,其無繼續執行之必要者得停止其處分之執行,將還人於徒刑執行期滿前。 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].start |
25182.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].end |
25209.092 |
| transcript.whisperx[779].text |
接受身心治療或輔導教育後,經評估任有災犯之風險者,準用性侵害犯罪防治法有關強制治療規定。前三項之評估準用性侵害犯罪防治法第三十三條成立評估小組辦理。委員黃捷等21人提案,暫定第五十一條之一如下,犯第三十六條、第三十八條、第三十九條條文之罪供出性剝削影片來源,因而查獲其他正犯或共犯者,得減輕或免除其刑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].start |
25210.993 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].end |
25234.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[780].text |
犯第三十六條、第三十八條、第三十九條之罪與偵查及立次審判中均自白者,得減輕其刑。委員林俊憲等21人提案,增訂第五十一條之一如下,前條之評估由指甲師縣市主管機關成立評估小組辦理,讓扶圖行之成年受刑人由監獄、少年受刑人及受感化教育少年由少年矯正學校成立評估小組辦理, |
| transcript.whisperx[781].start |
25235.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].end |
25248.492 |
| transcript.whisperx[781].text |
前項評估小組織組成與其評估之內容基準程序與身心治療之內容程序期間及其他相關事項之辦法由中央主管機關會同法務主管機關定之。委員張雅玲等25人提案第53條修正手具 |
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25250.533 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].end |
25278.186 |
| transcript.whisperx[782].text |
第三十九條、第二項為第三十九條、第三項其與現行法同。委員外媒林等二十人提案第五十三條之一修正末二具為於修正施行後仍繼續持有或關懷者適用修正後之規定其與現行法同。繼續宣讀修正動議第一案。第三條,增訂第八至第十項如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[783].end |
25306.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[783].text |
為協助被害人限制瀏覽或移除兒童或少年這性影像,中央主管機關得自行或委由民間團體成立性影像處理中心,並涉專職人員辦理下列事項。一、受理性影像申訴、諮詢查查。二、通知網際網路平台提供者、網際網路應用服務提供者及網際網路接取服務提供者以下並稱網路業者,限制瀏覽或移除兒童或少年這性影像。三、其他性影像防制相關業務。 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].start |
25307.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].end |
25328.727 |
| transcript.whisperx[784].text |
司法、警察、檢察官得運用科技技術方式於網路巡查涉兒童或少年性影像犯罪嫌疑情勢。網路業者對於前項巡查不得拒絕、妨礙或規避。第八條,於第一項文字透過網際內容防護機構後面增列性影像處理中心並增訂第四項如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].start |
25330.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].end |
25349.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[785].text |
性影像處理中心得知網頁資料涉有兒童及少年之性影像犯罪嫌疑情勢應通知網路業者、警察機關及中央主管機關。第三十九條,無正當理由支付對價而持有兒童或少年之性影像處一年以上、七年以下有期徒刑。居易或客或併客新台幣一百五十萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].start |
25350.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].end |
25367.829 |
| transcript.whisperx[786].text |
無證當理由持有兒童或少年之性以上、處一年以上、五年以下有期徒刑、拘役或科或併科新台幣三十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金。修正現行第二項具中如下。第一次被查獲者處新台幣五萬元以上、三十萬元以下罰還,並一列為第三項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[787].end |
25391.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[787].text |
修正現行第三項後段如下,第二次以上被查獲者處新台幣十萬元以上、五十萬元以下罰款,並一列為第四項。修正第五項如下,查獲之第一項、第二項及第四項之附著物、圖畫及物品,不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫收之。第四十七條,修正第一款如下, |
| transcript.whisperx[788].start |
25392.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].end |
25418.771 |
| transcript.whisperx[788].text |
一、違反第三條第十項之規定拒絕妨礙或規避其予現行法同提案人委員陳金輝、蘇清泉、王育敏第二案第二條修正第三款前段如下三、拍攝製造、重製、持有、散布、播送、交付、公然陳列、販賣或支付對價關攬兒童或少年性影像其予現行法同 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].start |
25420.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].end |
25435.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[789].text |
第三條,將第五項移至第四項後段如下。其中學者、專家及民間相關機構、團體代表不得少於二分之一、任意性別不得少於三分之一,增訂第五項至第七項如下。 |
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25438 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].end |
25458.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[790].text |
為協助被害人限制瀏覽或移除兒童或少年之性影像,中央主管機關得自行或委用民間團體成立性影像處理中心,並涉專職人員辦理下列事項一、受理性影像申訴、諮詢查查。二、通知網際網路平台提供者、網際網路應用服務提供者及網際網路接取提供服務者。 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[791].end |
25480.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[791].text |
而服務提供者以下並稱網路業者限制瀏覽或移除兒童或少年性影像。三、其他性影像防制相關業務。司法、警察、檢察官得運用科技技術方式與網路巡查涉兒童或少年性影像犯罪嫌疑情勢。網路業者對於前項巡查不得拒絕、妨礙或規避。 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].start |
25484.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].end |
25507.094 |
| transcript.whisperx[792].text |
第八條,修正第一項前段如下。網路業者透過網路內容防護機構、性影像處理中心、主管機關、警察機關或其他機關。修正第三項後段如下。第一項之網路業者於計數可行下因依直轄市縣市主管機關通知比對、移除或下架被害人之性影像。增訂第四項及第五項如下。 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].start |
25507.694 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].end |
25522.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[793].text |
性影像處理中心得知網頁資料涉有兒童或少年之性影像犯罪嫌疑情勢者應通知網路業者、警察機關及中央主管機關。前項通知應記載下列事項。一、足以 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].start |
25523.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].end |
25536.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[794].text |
視別犯罪嫌疑情勢之網站名稱與網址及性影像之網址。二、行為人網路平台帳號或網際網路協定位置。三、通知之國家機關聯絡人姓名、電話及電子 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].start |
25538.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].end |
25561.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[795].text |
電子郵件中央主管機關收受第一項通知後應及令網路業者於二十四小時內依第一項規定限制瀏覽或移除與犯罪有關之網頁資料。前項處分內容應記載下列事項一、足以識別犯罪嫌疑情勢之網站名稱與網址及姓影像之網址。二、行為人網路平台帳號或網際網路協定位置。三、通知之國家機關聯絡人姓名、電話及電子郵件。 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].start |
25564.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].end |
25579.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[796].text |
四、網路業者網站名稱、網址、網際網路協定位置或其他足資辨別指涉之該網路業者特徵。五、主旨、事實、理由及其法令依據。六、由付款者付款之內容。 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].start |
25579.814 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].end |
25604.58 |
| transcript.whisperx[797].text |
議員七、處分機關及其首長署名蓋章該機關有代理人或受任何人須同時與其下簽名但以自動機器作為之大量行政處分,得不經署名得以蓋章為之。議員八、發文字號及年月日。議員九、表明其為行政處分之意旨及不符行政處分之救濟方法其間及其受理機關。 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].start |
25607.028 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].end |
25628.838 |
| transcript.whisperx[798].text |
第八條之一,增訂第八條之一,主管機關對網路業者依前條及第四十七條作成之行政處分,得以電子文件利用網際網路之方式傳送至網路業者公開揭示、指示或網域註冊之電子郵件、電子表單,以為送達。前項電子文件由主管機關傳送至網路業者, |
| transcript.whisperx[799].start |
25629.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].end |
25658.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[799].text |
公開揭示指定或網域註冊之電子郵件、電子表單後一工作日發生依法送達通知或使其窒息之效力但有下列情形之一者不在此限。一、電子文件已傳送而未進入網路業者公開揭示指定或網域註冊之電子郵件、電子表單。二、電子文件已進入網路業者公開揭示指定或網域註冊之電子郵件、電子表單後一工作日。網路業者 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].start |
25658.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].end |
25673.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[800].text |
bicy明其無法閱讀。三、網路業者證明電子文件於較早或較晚之時點進入其公開揭示、時事或網域註冊之電子郵件、電子表單。前項單書第一款,情形有爭議時, |
| transcript.whisperx[801].start |
25674.531 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].end |
25700.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[801].text |
由主管機關證明,主管機關不能證明者應另以適當之方式重新送達、通知或使其知悉。第二項但書第二款情形,主管機關應另以適當之方式重新送達、通知或使其知悉。第二項但書第三款情形,依網路業者證明較早或較晚之時點,發生依法送達、通知或使其知悉之效力,有效的情形之一者主管機關得為限制接取。 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].start |
25700.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].end |
25726.534 |
| transcript.whisperx[802].text |
一、無從窒息網路業者聯絡資訊,自無法為第一項之送達者。二、任網頁資料所涉犯罪嫌疑情節重大,為避免犯罪危害擴大或避免急迫危險而有及時處置之必要時,主管機關為執行前項及第四十七條之限制接取,數位發展部、教育部、國家通訊傳播委員會、法務部、內政部、警政署、網際網路接取服務提供者應協助執行。 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].start |
25730.199 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].end |
25753.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[803].text |
第二十八條修正第一項文字第三十九條第一項第三項之罪者為第三十九條第二項第四項之罪者其與現行法同。第三十六條於第一二三及第七項文字製造後面增列頓號重置其與現行法同。第三十九條 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].start |
25757.731 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].end |
25782.892 |
| transcript.whisperx[804].text |
無正當理由支付對價額持有兒童或少年之性影像,處一年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金。無正當理由持有兒童或少年之性影像,處三年以下有期徒刑,具役得併科新台幣六萬元以上、六十萬元以下罰金。修正現行第二項據中如下。第一次被查獲者,處新台幣一萬元以上、十萬元以下罰還,並已列為第三項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].start |
25784.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].end |
25804.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[805].text |
令修正現行第三項後段如下,第二次以上被查獲者處新台幣二萬元以上、二十萬元以下罰還,並一列為第四項。第五項,查獲之第一項、第二項及第四項之附著物、圖畫及物品,不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫收之,其與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].start |
25806.889 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].end |
25834.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[806].text |
第四十三條,修正第一項及第二項文字,第39條第一項、第三項之犯罪者為,第39條第一項、第二項、第四項之犯罪者,其與現行法同。第四十四條,支付對價關攬兒童或少年為性交或猥褻之行為或其性影響者處一年以上、七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].start |
25835.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].end |
25862.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[807].text |
第四十七條修正序文第三具為由主管機關處心台幣六萬元以上、六十萬元以下罰還並修正第一款如下依違反第三條第七項規定拒絕妨礙或規避其與現行法同。第五十一條修正第一項文字第39條第一項第三項為第39條第一項、第二項、第四項其與現行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].start |
25864.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].end |
25875.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[808].text |
第五十三條修正具首文字為第39條第三項其餘現行法同提案人委員黃秀芳、王振旭、林月琴。第三案第三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].start |
25878.737 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].end |
25894.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[809].text |
及第八條、之一與委員黃玉敏等19人提案同。第三十六條、修正刑度與罰金額度如下。第一項處十年以上有期徒刑,則併科新台幣200萬元以下罰金。第二項處十二年以上有期徒刑,則併科新台幣600萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].start |
25897.034 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].end |
25909.811 |
| transcript.whisperx[810].text |
第三項處十五年以上有期徒刑得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金。其餘現行法同提案人、委員王育敏、陳金輝、林思敏、楊瓊英。第四案 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].start |
25910.834 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].end |
25930.351 |
| transcript.whisperx[811].text |
第三條,第二項與委員黃玉明等19人提案同。另將第五項一致為第四項,修正如下。主管機關應邀及相關學者或專家、民間相關機構、團體代表及目的事業主管機關代表協調研究審議、諮詢、推動及檢討兒童及少年性剝削防制政策 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].start |
25930.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].end |
25953.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[812].text |
其中學者、專家及民間相關機構、團體代表不得少於二分之一、任意性別不得少於三分之一,增訂第五、六、七項如下。為協助被害人限制瀏覽或移除兒童或少年之性影像,中央主管機關得自行或委由民間團體成立性影像處理中心,並涉專職人員辦理下的事項。一、受理性影像申訴、諮詢、查查。 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].start |
25955.402 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].end |
25984.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[813].text |
二、通知網際網路平台提供者、網際網路應用服務提供者及網際網路接取服務提供者以下並稱網路業者限制瀏覽或移除兒童或少年性影像。三、其他性影像防制相關業務司法、檢察官得運用科技技術方式與網路巡查社兒童或少年性影像犯罪嫌疑情勢。網路業者對於前項巡查不得拒絕、妨礙或規避。提案人委員王育敏 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].start |
25985.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].end |
26006.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[814].text |
陳昭之、陳金輝、廖偉祥同為第四案、第八條之一與委員黃秀芳、王振旭與林岱琴委員所提的修正動議第八條之一相同提案人委員王育敏、陳昭之、陳金輝、廖偉祥第五案、第三十二條 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].start |
26007.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].end |
26026.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[815].text |
修正刑度或罰款額度如下。第一項,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑。第二項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,並科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金。第三項,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑,其與先行法同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].start |
26026.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].end |
26053.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[816].text |
第36條,修正刑度與罰金額度如下。第一項,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第三項,處十年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。第45條,修正刑度與罰金額度如下。第二項,處五年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一百萬元以下罰金。 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].start |
26054.309 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].end |
26068.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[817].text |
第三項,處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑,得兵科薪台幣三百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。提案人委員劉建國、連署人委員林岱琴、陳俊宇 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].start |
26070.285 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].end |
26097.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[818].text |
第六案,修正第一項第三款,後段如下,與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥,以真人所繪製之色情圖畫及電磁記錄生成之擬真色情圖畫與因或其他物品,其與現行法同。第三十六條,第一二三及第七項具中文字之修正於本案第二條,第三款同。 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].start |
26098.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[819].end |
26120.597 |
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令修正行度與額度如下。第一項,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第二項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第三項,處十年以上有期徒刑或無期徒刑,並併科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金,其餘現行法同。 |
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厲三十八條、第一項及第二項具中文字之修正於本案第二條第三款同令修正第一項行度如下。處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。令修正第五項莫具如下。莫收並於案件判決確定後銷毀之其與現行法同。厲三十九條、第二項及第四項具中文字之修正於本案第二條第三款同並修正額度及罰則如下。 |
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一、併科新台幣30萬元以上、100萬元以下罰金。二、儲新台幣5萬元以上、30萬元以下罰還,並得令其接受10小時之輔導教育。三、儲新台幣10萬元以上、100萬元以下罰金。四、 |
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沒收並於判決確定後銷毀之其餘現行法同提案人委員陳金輝、羅廷偉、連署人委員王洪維、林思明、廖偉祥第七案第二條修正第一項第三款如下 |
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三、拍攝、製造、散布、播送、交付公然陳列販賣或持有兒童或少年性影像與性相關而客觀上足以引起刺激或滿足性慾且無藝術性、醫學性或教育性價值而令一般人感覺不堪、呈現於眾或不能忍受而排拒之圖畫、語音或其他物品以下稱性圖畫影音物品。其餘現行法同提案人委員黃國昌、陳昭芝、王育敏 |
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第36條第一項拍攝製造兒童或少年之性影像、性圖畫影音物品者處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。修正第二項製造性影像後面的文字如下。性影像影音物品者處五年以上、十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。修正第三項製造性影像後面文字如下。 |
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信、圖畫、影音、物品者處七年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣七百萬元以下罰金。修正第四項,文字如下。意圖營利犯前三項之罪者,依下列規定處罰。一、犯第一項之罪者,處五年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金。二、犯第二項之罪者,處七年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一千五百萬元以下罰金。三、犯第三項之罪者,處十年以上有期徒刑, |
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得併科興臺幣二千萬元以下罰金。令修正第七項如下,物品之工具或設備,不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫熟知,但屬於被害人者,不在此縣,其與現行法同。第三十八條,散布、播送、交付公然陳列或以他法公人官欄、聽聞兒童或少年之性影像、性圖畫影印物品者,處三年以上、十年以下有期徒刑。得併科興臺幣五百萬元以下罰金。 |
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議徒散布撥送交付或公欄陳列而持有前相互評者,處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。議徒迎立犯前二項之罪者,以下列規定處罰。一、犯第一項之罪者,處五年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金。二、犯第二項之罪者,處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。 |
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第一項及第三項之未遂犯罰之查獲之第一項之第三項之附著物、塗化及物品不問屬於犯罪行為人與否,莫收之。第三十九條,無證當理由持有兒童或少年性影像者,處三年以下有期徒刑拘役並科新台幣三十萬元以上三百萬元以下罰金。支付對價取得兒童或少年性影像者,處六月以上五年以下有期徒刑,得並科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。無證當理由持有兒童或少年性影像 |
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之性圖畫影音物品,第一次被查獲者處新台幣五萬元上五十萬元下罰還,並得令其接受五小時以上、十五小時以下之輔導教育,其附著物、圖畫及物品不謂屬於此有人與否,莫入之。 |
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五、政當理由持有兒童或少年之性塗化影印物品第二次以上被查獲者處新台幣十萬元以上、一百萬元以下罰金。查獲之第一項、第二項及第三項之附著物、塗化及物品不問屬於犯罪行為人與否莫收之。第四、四條支付對家關懷兒童或少年為性交惡猥褻之行為者處六個月以上、五年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。第四十五條修正刑度與罰則如下。第一項 |
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處新台幣五十萬元以上、五百萬元以下罰還,並令其限期改善,藉其未改善者由直轄市縣市主管機關移情目的事業主管機關依法令其勒令停業。第二項,處三年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣三百萬元以下罰金。 |
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第三項,處五年以上十二年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。第四項,意圖營利犯前二項之罪者,依下列規定處罰。一、犯第二項之罪者,處一年以上七年以下有期徒刑,得併科新台幣五百萬元以下罰金。二、犯第三項之罪者,處七年以上有期徒刑,得併科新台幣一千萬元以下罰金。前三項之未遂犯罰之,其餘現行罰同。提案人委員黃國昌、陳昭芝、王育敏。還有第八。 |
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第八案,總共十一案因為委員都來了因為現在宣讀的這個都是修正動議按照過去其實修正動議是也可以不用宣讀那現在因為有很多委員已經到場所以那個對,就是以下八到十一案這個修正動議 |
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請委員參考書面資料我們現在就來進行逐條的審查那現在進行兒童及少年性剝削防制條例部分條文修正草案暨三十六案之逐條審查 |
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每條條文先請行政單位說明接著請委員表示意見因為我們其實還有禮拜三一整天的審查所以待會我們審查的原則如果遇到這個條文還需要有很多討論的我就會先宣告先保留有共識的我們先通過如果還要再多加一討論的我們就先保留都保留到禮拜三比較多時間我們再來討論 |
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主席 |
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好 那所有委員提的這個修正動議均列入公報記錄會刊登所以這個委員不用擔心那我們現在就來進行主條的審查那也謝謝衛福部其實有整理了一份對照板那一份對照板還蠻清晰的所以是不是給各位委員各位委員都有拿到嗎 有發下去了嗎各位委員手上都有我們就依衛福部所整理出來的對照板來進行 |
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第二條一共有五個版本,做三點說明。第一個,在第一項第三款甄列了行為樣態的文字。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十六條、第三十九條及第四十四條條文修正草案案。 |
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重置持有支付對價關懶,直接納入第一項第三款的定義,來擴大被害人的保護範疇。 |
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把第一項第三款所稱的圖畫範定在以深層式人工智慧製造、擬真繪圖或以真實存在的兒童或少年作為創作背景的色情圖畫為限。其餘的兒少與性相關、客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥的圖畫,仍然有刑法235條的規定, |
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此外,也應該要按照《兒童及少年福利與權益保障法》的四十六條規定,網際網路業者要採取明確可行的防護措施,限制兒童及少年接取、瀏覽,以致明確。以上說明。好,針對第二條的條文的修正,衛福部有一個建議修正的條文。那請問各位委員,針對第二條, |
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衛福部所提出來的建議修正的文字大家有沒有意見?黃國昌總召來我確認一下那個衛福部的修正的文字在是這個嗎?確定一下我有沒有拿到是這個嗎?就是這個版本 |
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最左手邊就是本部建議修正條文那個就是衛福部的版本那個我先請教一下就是說今天我們有提一個修正動議那那個修正動議也謝謝那個召委王育敏簽名讓我們有機會可以一起納入討論那就針對那個修正動議的第二條 |
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我們提的那個修正動議那修正動議我們基本上是希望啦因為我上次在質詢的時候我有提到嘛就是說如果我們在條文上面沒有把它寫得很清楚的話 |
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那到時候檢察官在起訴的行為上或法官在判決的行為上那會不要去造成一些現在可能一些創作者他們的困擾那也不是兒少性剝削防制條例所真的要去處理規範的對象那再加上說後面法條 |
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我們希望法條可以簡潔一點所謂法條可以簡潔一點我分兩個部分來說明第一個現影像不帶說明討論現影像我相信非常清楚這個沒有爭議現在有爭議的就是說 |
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所謂與性相關而客觀上足以引起性慾或羞恥之圖畫、語音或其他物品。那你們發現在後面的關鍵條文當中36、38、39以下都會露露等啦那我基本上希望採行的立法技術是在第二條第三款的時候我們把它要界定的範圍按照大法官解釋的意旨 |
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把他標定清楚,把大法官那個時候視線文的時候,他們希望判定的標準也直接能夠把它入法。入法了以後,用一個以下稱性圖畫影音物品這樣子的一個縮寫,讓後面的法條的文字也可以比較簡潔一點。 |
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因為我們這次所提出來的這樣子的一個修正的動議跟我們後面針對幾個核心的關鍵條文從製造散播持有的條文彼此之間是相配合的針對這樣子的一個立法體力想要聽聽看主管機關的看法以上謝謝好謝謝還有沒有其他委員針對第二條來羅廷惠委員 |
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好那因為我的版本也還沒進來喔所以我先做這個修正東西也非常感謝昭緯喔那我想這個第二條啊原本定義的圖畫再寫得更詳細其實跟這個國常委員的類似喔那我們就聚焦在這個處理真實兒童及少年免於性虐待性交易等問題把文字寫得更詳細喔所以所以我們 |
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以真人所繪製之色情圖畫及電池記錄生成之擬真色情圖畫。寫進第二條的一個定義裡面,三十六、三十八、三十九,同樣也是把圖畫的定義與修正。我認為之前的定義在真人圖片跟虛擬的一個作品之間過於模糊。 |
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而且目前並無真實研究有在地的一個經驗支持說觀看色情兒少動漫會對真人兒少採取實際的行動如果有實證研究請衛福部提出如果沒有的話我認為應該要去修法去排除那個圖片我們仍然覺得這個應該要管制當然我們也覺得作為這個孩子的家長我們也會擔憂 |
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但是這個部分我們希望說不是包山包海的去讓這些動漫、繪圖等相關的產業權益他們的這些族群來受損所以我在做這個修正動議也希望這個部分能夠來這邊發言謝謝好那剛剛有舉手的是黃秀芳委員接下來林淑芬委員 |
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第二條提出修正動議,最主要部分是有關重置持有或支付對價關攬納入修正條文第36條、第39條及第44條,列為處罰的樣態。 |
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而相關文字納入第一項第三款定義以擴大第二項的保護對象,就是被害人的範疇,那希望大家能夠支持。另外本席也想就這一條的定義的部分,就是請法務部還有司法院表示意見,就是在這些定義當中將持有還有支付對價關懶納入條文中之後,那對於共犯的定義, |
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公範定義與現行條文及現實狀況,法院或檢察機關的認定上,會否有所不同?法務部及司法院可表示意見。 |
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好,我們這個第三款裡面的圖畫、語音或其他物品在立法說明欄裡面有講什麼叫做圖畫圖畫我們是採取這個正面表列講在這些範疇裡面才是這個性剝削的範疇 |
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可是我其實有一點擔心就是說我們也是想請那個檢審兩個單位來表示一下意見萬一掛萬漏一為什麼這麼講呢因為去年大修也是號稱大修就漏掉了支付對價關攬這樣的一個概念在裡面 |
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今天我們在這裡就覺得這樣子好像來框定這個圖畫的範疇是不是就夠了其實我也不敢這樣子肯定的說出來所以我們是希望請實務單位的不管是檢警省大概大家都表示一下意見還有沒有其他超越我們能夠正常人能夠想像的範疇因為畢竟我們正常人想像的範疇有限 |
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另外一個就是說這個所謂的剛剛黃委員講的這個共犯的定義秀芳委員講的共犯的定義我想要指出一種就是說這個創意司法裡面有一種共犯是說他讓這個支付對價關懶的這個人 |
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而他可以點餐然後那個社群網站性犯罪的網站的人可以去出任務那這個點餐的人那他在這個行為上到底是屬於教唆的什麼東西或是什麼東西我覺得這個行為是不是其實是相當可惡他不是支付錢去對價關懶而已他還可以點餐然後出任務這個這種行為要放到哪裡去規範我想我們也是要思考一下 |
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法定人數不足 |
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我具體建議一下因為第二條裡面的定義其實我們把行為跟要保護的客體兩件事情在立法基礎上寫在同一個條文裡去加以定義那剛剛有很多委員所提出來討論的意見其實我剛剛比較著重的是保護的客體對象的問題 |
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有許多委員可能在配合的這次修正可能是在行為的太陽上面他們所著重所以我具體的建議第二條的定義或許可以考慮我們等到把後面的條字走完 |
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到底有哪些行為太陽是我們覺得在目前的3638394445以下的條文有必要把它涵蓋在裡面的這個時候等到下面的條文把行為太陽確認了以後再回來看第二條定義性剝削的太陽這樣子的討論會比較 |
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而合乎邏輯一點。那以上是針對有關於第二條的那個整個在立法的體力上面我們討論的順序提出來的建議。好。剛剛國商委員這個建議其實蠻好的。有可能就是最後我們再回過來看第二條是不是有哪一些 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條條文修正草案案。議員林岱樺等20人� |
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第二條保留第三條 |
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第三條目前有八個委員版本以及修正動議有四個版本首先說明第一個將數位發展納入第二項這第一個第二個部分是將現行的第五項一列與第四項做合併第三點新增第五項考量是性影像在網路的存放 |
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設單一求助平臺、民定中央主管機關、得自行或委由民間成立性影像處理中心、受理申訴、諮詢、查查以及通知網際網路業者。 |
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限制瀏覽、移除兒少性影像。接下來是新增檢警得運用科技技術在網路巡查涉兒少性影像犯罪嫌疑。業者不得拒絕、妨礙或規避的規定。至於委員有建議要建立犯罪資料庫 |
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厲及分款立各目的事業主管機關的權責,因為涉及各部會,允宜尊重各部會的意見。 |
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第三條衛福部建議的內容跟我提出來的許多都吻合但是剛質詢也有聽到說部長因為他不知道其他部門是不是可以配合做這個比如說封網啊或者是說強制移除啊等等所以我建議也納入速發部不知道速發部是不是可以配合納進來這個 |
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主管機關主管機關 |
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民俗分第二,好,那林委員先,再來是林岱琴委員。抱歉,這個陳委員,就是說數位部其實是目的事業主管機關,它本來網路的這個管制儀儲是它本來就是它的業管,所以我們中央目的主管機關到時候是通知這個它的目的事業主管機關,其實應該是這樣的機制才是,我聽起來是比較 |
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bicyC. |
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可能比較優先的選擇啦沒關係在你堅持後我是這樣的一個分享但我不是要講這個我要講的是說這個我們的修正裡面就中央主管機關的自行或者是委託民間團體成立性影像處理中心那他要受理這個申訴或是這個查查還要去通知這個限制或移除這些性剝削的影像然後還有一些其他性防制的業務 |
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然後這個司法警察檢察官德豐王在這種狀況裡面我是想要請教一下就是說因為我們第一線就是說第一線在執行的我們假設其實應該是第一線的司法人員應該是警察地方的這個警察機關那他們是一定都要通報到這裡來去給性影像處理中心去做這個 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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法定人數不足 |
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如果可以的話還是不是這件事情不會只有衛福部而已主管機關其他的相關的部會是不是也把工作講清楚說明白所以比較期待是把各相關的要處理的各部會都把他的工作明定清楚以上 |
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黃捷委員、王振旭委員、黃國昌委員、范雲委員我的意見跟林岳勤委員差不多因為我覺得過去就是因為大家分署的責任太不明確了所以才要修這一條所以我覺得把各個部會的工作列的明確是非常重要的 |
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另外就是我也支持說應該要把速發部納入是因為其實目前速發部就會協助像是流量限制或是限制接取這樣的工作那如果速發部沒有放進來的話那這些去限制他的接取或是去控制他的流量讓他很難連上網或是連到這個網站的這些工作速發部是不是會有漏掉所以我覺得速發部確實應該要放進來謝謝好請王俊旭委員 |
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有關於陳慶輝委員修正增電管理兒少性剝削電子資料庫,成立這個資料庫的部分,要供法官、檢察官、警察、醫師、護理人員、心理師、社工及其他政府機關來使用。建議應該要針對於這些相關的人員設定不同的權限。 |
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以來讓這個被害人隱私權可以有比較完整的保障這是有關於這個前任委員的部分那針對剛剛林岱群委員去想要把這個更完整化這個是非常一個針對整體的修正來講讓所有的事業主管機關也都能夠非常的確定這部分看起來是很有他的這個需求 |
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不過我是建議說在這個主管機關的後面針對主管兒童及少年性剝削防制政策是規劃漏點推動及那個邊改漏點那監督 |
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然後加急協調因為我們知道這個監督是針對上對下的這個監督那其實我們很多的事業主管機關是一個協調的過程所以如果把這個協調也同時納進來的話那就可以把這個其他的事業主管機關也都能夠同步納到我們的這個範疇裡面那在條文的說明裡面可以將協調業務的這個納入行政院 |
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行政院目前一個行政院兒童及少年福利及權益推動小組裡面把這個業務納為這個小組的這個要點裡面去辦理以上好接下來請黃國昌委員針對於有關於衛福部所提出來的建議條文第三條的部分分兩個部分第一個比較簡單第六款寫司法檢察檢察官可以運用科技技術方式去巡查 |
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那這個部分寫司法檢察跟檢察官那司法檢察官呢?這個是在立法技術上面比較多是獨特的只要寫司法檢察就包括司法檢察官嗎?還是刻意要排除司法檢察官? |
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這個可能在第六款、第六項的部分主體為什麼做這樣的限制可能要請衛福部那邊去問一下法務部是怎麼樣會有這樣條文的設計因為這個在我國現行法制上面我可以說是讀書一次讀書一格非常罕見的一種立法上面的技術 |
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這個是相對比較簡單的問題比較嚴肅也比較困難的問題其實是在第五項的部分第五項整個基本上面的立法精神、立法目的我是同意的但我要提醒主管機關的是你仔細的看你們所做的三款的事項如果說是受理、申訴、諮詢 |
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就這個部分相對而言他公權力行使的色彩非常的低你要委外面將公權力委託給外面的一個民間團體請他們協助處理相對而言他所會引發的法律上面的爭議相對而言會低 |
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但到第二款的部分你要通知中網那個某個程度上在我們現在的社會當中那個是一個非常清楚的公權力的形式就這個公權力的形式本身的權力 |
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是不是讓委員還是要由中央主管機關自己拿、抓著這個事情很重要所以我在看你們的立法技術的時候就第五項的部分你們要達成什麼樣的規範目的百分之百可以理解但你在第五項要達成這個規範目的的時候你把涉及到高度公權力的形式 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具 |
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但到最後決定要封的這件事情這個是不是適合交由外面的民間團體來做恐怕就要想清楚了所以你有兩個東西可能在第五項的時候看要不要做更細緻的區別有一些是你們覺得目前的公務體系無法負荷 |
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把它交由民間團體來行事,它也不涉及高度公權力的行事,性質上會比較合適。有一些到最後要下決定的時候,要封網域,我們不希望任何人在可以看得到。這個比較強烈公權力行事的部分,雖然是市委委員還是應該由中央主管機關抓到。這個我可能會建請在第三條的條文, |
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在法條的設計上面更細緻化的時候,主黨接官或許可以再重新思考的地方。謝謝。 |
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針對這個第三條的部分我是支持那個黃秀芳委員她的這個建議還有就是衛福部建議的修正增加不管是性別比例或者把已有的性影像處理中心的功能完備還有增加就是一個主動出巡 |
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議員,民間婦女團體希望設置性影像, |
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所以衛福部這邊是不是可以表達一些因為如果就會是這個性影像處理中心來處理的話那也許可以放在這那這個受害人性影像資料庫蠻重要的因為他其實一旦有性影像影片被重複的在網路出現的話那他能夠比較快去判斷跟用科技的方式處理因為現在科技上面其實可以有這個性影像的這個DNA所以技術上是可以處理的那其他國家我所知道的美國也有這樣子的一個受害人性影像資料庫 |
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那這個部分是不是可以請衛福福表達意見?謝謝好,請林淑芬委員好,就是因為我們這樣討論行政部門都沒有解釋所以我們真的是有點納悶那我再講第三條我先釐清一下剛才陳經惠委員的版本要寫上去我也是不反對因為其實有寫跟沒寫或者是我們在這裡納的這種內政法務、教育國法等等掛上去其實它本來就都是目的事業主管機關了它裡面也有本來就有等了 |
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所以本來就是中央主管機關那個會同目的世界主管機關就應該去辦理什麼業務本來就要啦有寫如果覺得感覺比較安全感我覺得也可以我也不反對但我要講我的重點我的重點是說我一直不清楚這個中央主管機關設立的性影像處理中心 |
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那因為他接受他沒有寫受理嘛他寫申訴諮詢案查查可是這個調查的業務是誰這個主責要負責去調查確認這個事實的機關是誰是要性影像處理中心嗎如果沒有的話他怎麼發通知那接下來我看到我們下一個第八條裡面又有講第八條為什麼這樣講因為第八條裡面還有一個修正的動議是說 |
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現項處理中心得知到網頁資料涉有兒童或少年的性影像犯罪嫌疑情勢,應通知網路業者、警察機關及中央主管機關。那看起來好像是說得知到,他已經知道的時候,他要去應通知警察機關。所以我就是不懂說這是單軌還是雙軌。 |
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那如果是單軌我看起來又像是單軌因為他好像是說我通知警察機關警察機關去調查去辦理這個確認這個事實那性影像處理中心再去移除那為什麼要再透過性影像處理中心去移除呢警察機關不能夠直接就通知這個目的世界主管機關或是相關的部門直接去移除嗎所以到底是單軌還是這個雙軌這個等一下會請那個衛福部一併回答 |
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對,但是我的意思是說,因為對照到第八條的時候,我們還是要問清楚這樣的設計到底是要怎麼去進行了。好,謝謝。那我們就一併請衛福部回答,先回答,因為現在委員對於你這個主動巡查到底是哪一個單位巡查,然後封網是由哪一個單位封網,單軌或雙軌。 |
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透過修法完之後你的機制怎麼運作?是不是請衛福部比較清楚的說明?影像處理中心跟警察他們是彼此互通有無就是如果民眾要影像移除會是影像處理中心會比較他的立即性快移除之前要先確認這個事實 |
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那誰要去做?性影像處理中心可以做嗎?目前我們通知的第三條的第五項這個通知也回答黃國昌委員提到的這個通知並沒有做行任處分。行任處分會在第八條。第八條會有行任處分。所以它是一個觀念通知。觀念通知?當然要就這個事實的確認的調查呢?基本上 |
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但是這個通知牽扯到要把它移除。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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報告報告報告報告 |
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我們現在的FOTO DNA的技術直接跟國際做一個交換然後做這個比對移除所以目前的機制是用第八條的第三項來做處理那以上的說明那至於這個林委員談的各部會的分立要分款這樣一個參考性欠犯罪防治法這樣的分立那我們尊重各部會的意見 |
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黃國昌委員不好意思,我剛提的先從簡單的問題來第六款,第六項的部分是我們漏掉,司法警察官可以那個沒有關係,因為我知道你們看了這麼多修正動議這麼短的時間之內把建議條文整理出來,忙中有疏失就可以理解,不會苛責 |
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就我還是要回到那個比較複雜的第五項的部分當初你剛說說是跟第八條相結合嘛然後你說第五項那個是純粹是一個觀念上面的通知但你要看喔你在第五項的時候的設計是說中央主管機關你可以自行成立新影像處理中心 |
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你也可以委由民間團體成立性影像處理中心。那我如果沒有猜測錯誤,你們應該是打算要委由民間團體成立性影像處理中心,對不對?對嘛,好。但現在的問題是,來請你看一下第八條。 |
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來你看一下第八條的第一項第八條的第一項在主持上面是網路業者透過下面的這些機關知道有犯罪的情況就應該要先限制瀏覽或已除了那這個網路業者透過哪些地方呢包括了網路內的防務機構 |
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包括了新一項處理中心包括了主管機關包括了警察機關那等於是新一項處理中心做一個民間業者他只要先通知了網路業者就會產生第八條第一項他的法律效果如果是這個樣子的話恐怕不是你剛剛所講的他只是個觀念通知喔我的理解有沒有錯誤 |
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第八條第一項我們當初在這個寫這個法條的時候呢基本上我們是認為網際網路的這些業者齁這個三個平台服務者他們應該要有義務去對他的這個內容要有所把關這個義務啊我沒 |
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這個義務我沒意見強化網際網路業者的義務這我完全沒意見但是他們認為他們不應該由他們來負起這個義務因為他有點有點像是我提供服務結果我還去限制這個我也理解但這就不是我康的問題嘛剛剛你一直跟我講說性影像處理中心那是一個觀念通知嘛 |
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但我看那第八條第一項的法律設計就不是這樣。他只要通知他,他馬上就要做啦。那這樣性影像處理中心所謂的通知怎麼會是一個觀念通知呢? |
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因為我們在第四項跟第五項還有第六項那第五項前項通知講的就是性影像處理中心通知網際網路業者的內容第六項才是所謂的行任處分命他在二十四小時裡頭要去做立刻做限制瀏覽跟移除這個東西所以我們把它認定說 |
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前面第三條的第五項的這個第二款的這個通知叫觀念通知那會呼應到第八條的第一項是你冷靜一點你冷靜一點看一下你的法條設計你的第八條的第一項、第五項、第六項彼此之間他們的契合關係到底是什麼 |
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也就是網際網路業者他到底是接到現已向處理中心的通知就要馬上限制月覽或移除還是要等到第六項中央主管機關的通知他才要做這件事情到底是依照第一項、第五項還是依照第六項 |
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主席我也一併發問好了因為你第一項的字眼叫做先行限制瀏覽或移除叫應先行但應先行到你通報中央主管機關以後中央主管機關做一個行政處分命令業者24小時內要限制瀏覽或移除中間 |
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會是多久?那先行的法律上的概念是什麼?然後到中央主管機關正式發布行政執行的這個命令的時候,中間可以拖多久?那中央主管機關介紹這個事情以後要進行什麼程序?那有可能會經歷哪些這個程序的問題,所以才能夠命人家二十四小學呢? |
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您可不可以講清楚這個時間的序最早在這個去年的那個版本的確應先行這個地方是寫24小時是24小時但是後來就是因為有考慮到成人的這個部分這個24小時有一些速度他要真的被韓人的確定說他是未經他同意散佈的所以 |
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我們後來在這個這個司法聯防的時候把那個24小時拿掉了就直接寫應先行那基本上就說性影像處理中心他之所以會知道這個網際網路業者有這個兒童的性影像是民眾去做申訴民眾申訴告訴影像處理中心影像處理中心一確定這個內容有他就會通知第一個 |
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通知業者要趕快做先行移除瀏覽就是第八條的第一項你的意思是說其實還沒確認之前只要有影像是關於兒少的就馬上先行先限制和下架是請他先移除對沒錯但是你說這只是一個通知還不算是一個行政處分通知那他可以不遵守嗎那有些業者他的確他可以不遵守 |
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所以我們的行政處分47條才會對是主管機關、中央主管機關所命的24小時要去做移除,他不移除才有行政處分,才會有罰還這件事,會是在寫在47條。對於第八條第一項是並沒有,並沒有這個所謂的行政處分,並沒有。 |
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對啦,但是你之後先行處分就是暫時的狀態,暫時處分的狀態嘛,聽起來,但是因為不是行政執行的概念,所以它基本上業者可能不遵守啊,但你是想要一個先行的這個權宜措施緊急的狀態,叫他做,可是他不做,你才會有這個後來後面的這個,但是就是說中央主管機關接受到第一項的通知以後,要命 |
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網路業者於二十四小時內移除。那他們中間就從建議他們先行下架到中央主管機關強制下架那中間大概會拖多久? |
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第八條現在程序的架構大概是這樣子首先是性影像中心接受到這一個民眾的申訴還有怎麼樣 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十六條及第五十一條條文修正草案案 案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十六條及第五十一條條文修正草案 案。 |
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確認說沒有錯就是民眾申訴的就是這個現象之後的話他第一個就是要做通知通知的話他有兩個部分要去通知一個是通知主管機關或者警察機關這些處分機關的這個部分第二個通知的是這一個業者這一個通知業者的話是讓業者有一個機會他可以自律他自省就下架 |
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但是當然業者也有可能就不遵從所以變成就要到第八條的這一個部分那第八條的部分我們看到的第一項就是這一個網路業者那透過這一個 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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網路業者24小時就必須要下架。所以前面的通知指的是讓業者可以自立,他自行下架。那後面的24小時的這部分的話,就是這樣子,就是強制的。好,剛剛范委員要舉手,是不是讓范委員講一下,來。 |
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對,貴婦婦剛剛回應我說我詢問的那個受害人性影像資料庫在第八條之三可是你們整理的這一本裡面沒有第八條之三只有黃秀芳委員有第八條之三黃秀芳委員的第八條的第三項八條的第三項我也完全沒有看到受害人性影像資料庫啊所以第八條第三項的哪個文字 |
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我說的是被害人建立一個被害人現影像資料庫欸跟委員報告就是目前用第八條第三項的機制去處理這個Photo DNA的比對移除的問題那並沒有一個現影像的資料庫第八條第三項哪裡有寫個機制為什麼我找不到呢 |
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則是直轄市縣市主管機關得協助被害人,在偵查中向檢察官,在審理中向法院請求重置扣案的被害人性影像。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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這個其實就是現行條文中本來就有的嘛所以你的意思就是現在這樣已經很足夠了那我們看到的就是不足夠是不是可以評估一下因為那個林岱琴委員有她的條文在那我是有一個建議我本來是想用附帶決議但我剛剛想說如果放在形象中心的話也是一個方法 |
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請教一下在提案的委員就是性影像資料庫要幹什麼? |
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請做一個資料庫,裡面全部都是性剝削影像。我先講,像之前台北市有偵破那個N號房的時候,那個警員在查核。那查核事實上對了一萬多筆的資料。如果今天這個資料庫,假設今天這個,因為今天為什麼會有黃子嬌事件,是因為 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」 |
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但是他們是用私人時間用私人時間把那一萬多筆逐一去對對出有七個未成年可是是用人工去做這樣子是花他自己私人時間去做所以我的意思我們那時候那荷蘭已經有這樣子的一個技術STAR-NCII如果給賀許職的話去做比對速度上會比較快而且也可以解決結果A警員在辦案我 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具 |
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議員主席 |
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剛剛提到資料庫的問題,這可能要先釐清一下資料庫指的是什麼?如果是影像資料庫,可能要問一下事務部,這種資料庫它會要有多少的空間?事實上是不是可行? |
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好 來 林委員剛才林岱請委員這樣講我就聽懂了就是說因為我們知道這些性犯罪產業的這些網站的經營者他們其實都是這個組織在犯罪的那就是我上午所指許的就是說這種在網路上組織性的這個犯罪他們都有慣行的這個犯罪模式而且他們不會只有一部產出一部兩部他們大概都會很多部那受害的地點搞不好是全台灣跨域的跨區域的 |
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那所以說建立一個這個影像資料庫其實是然後再加上電腦這個比對其實可以看更容易找出來就是說這裏面的組織犯罪的這個脈絡然後也更容易產生連結那更容易找到這個後面的這個加害者的這個組織這個組織有蓄意的組織所以 |
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的確是需要,我覺得先不要講說你這個容量要多大,然後要放在哪裡,有這個技術的問題。技術我覺得不是問題,但是就是說有這個需要,然後才能夠去了解他們這些犯罪行為的關聯,或者是他們的組織性,聽起來像是有這個需要。 |
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那我們是不是在母法裡面可以授權就明定說要建立這一個性影像犯罪的這個影片資料庫那至於資料庫要怎麼儲存要再由誰交給誰然後他們使用的程序應該怎麼樣但我是覺得這個資料庫絕對不能放在這個委外的社團委外的剛才講的那個什麼處理中心 |
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委員黃捷等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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議員,第三條我想問一下,就是說今天想的在司法機警察跟我們的檢察官運用科技技術方式與網路巡查,我想問一下這個主動巡查還是說 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」 |
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這個獎的審查到底是什麼?以上。 |
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提一個意見請各位委員參考一下因為現在要釐清的就是這個主動網路巡查這件事情這個目的是什麼我們這個主要的目的其實應該是一個行政處分前的一個前置的一個行政作為就是要為了防止兒少性影像一再的遭到散佈然後對兒少身心產生危害然後有及時封網行政處分的必要所以這個網路巡查性質其實本質上它是一個行政作為那 |
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29517.699 |
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應該是一個全責的行政主管機關來處理。大家都知道檢察官做的事情是什麼?是個案的偵查犯罪。但是這個條文定下來的話,會把行政作為跟偵查行善業作為混在一起。就像剛剛那個林委員講的,你就會搞不清楚這個是一軌還是雙軌,因為他就是把它混在一起了。所以我一定要提出來這個意見,而且 |
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| transcript.whisperx[968].text |
而這個必須要有區隔跟分工要不然這個權責會不清楚更何況檢察官的人力大家都知道其實是完全不夠我們雖然有1065個檢察官但是我們必須做偵查公訴執行的工作然後我們能夠分給 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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這個這個把它加註給檢察機關來來主動巡查其實這個真的在行政行政的作為上其實是不相宜啦吼所以我我們非常期待委員們我我們希望提出這個意見大家可以清楚的分開吼分清楚說檢察官該做在個案偵查工作該怎麼做主管機關在行政處分行政作為這一方面該怎麼運用他的職權這個要分清楚那如果說衛福部沒有人力真的就是看似委託 |
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議員林岱樺 |
| transcript.whisperx[972].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[972].text |
閱讀委員 |
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要具體明確的規定說檢警可以使用什麼樣的科技偵查方法然後可以用什麼樣的法定程序跟法院申請可以兼顧人權保障跟偵查的需要但是這個條文很籠統我們不用這個條文我們刑事訴訟法我們就可以這樣做我們不需要這個條文在行政法上面來處理那科技偵查及保障法那個規定是很細緻的規定而且這有人權保障跟偵查需要 |
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這個東西其實是不是相提並論不是有這個東西我們就會有權我們不需要這個我們行事送法就可以做但是不是用在這個地方我們的權是用在個案偵查要收證上那以上請委員參考我們的好來警察單位謝謝 |
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警政署報告關於衛福部版我們想要接續在法務部後面從兩點就是一個是技術的可行另外一個是公司協力這兩點做報告這個議題其實我們在內部非常重視我們也找了相關科技犯罪偵查專業的同仁一起來討論因為創意私房它其實是一個會員制封閉的論壇 |
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如果我們希望要用不管是相關的程式或者是系統主動的去做巡查其實它有技術上面的難度相關的案件從警察實務來說大概我們都還是需要人工深入社群裡面去挖掘、去偵辦尤其是對於犯罪事證的確認跟蒐集 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[979].text |
bicyclist 林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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保留第五項然後第六項能夠刪除請各位委員參考黃國昌委員從剛剛各個行政部門針對條文不同的規範部分所表達的意見清楚的呈現出來了目前衛福部所提出來的這個建議修正條文可能在不同的行政機關之間彼此之間橫向的聯繫跟協調 |
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我覺得可能要或許明天禮拜二嘛星期二的時候就我建議你們明天花一整天的時間坐下來談清楚要不然看到行政機關彼此之間不要說網內互打啦 |
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行政機關彼此之間從自己的權責的角度有一些不一樣的看法跟想法我覺得是正常的花一點時間趕快去做協調那第二個事情我還是要提就是說分網這件事情再想一下就是在預防階段的時候誰可以下這個命令那後面的救濟程序是什麼 |
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這件事情一定要想得很清楚因為這次定下去了以後接下來我們就要按照這樣的機制下去處理這也會去回應到為什麼我上一次質詢的時候不是今天是在上一次質詢的時候我說要拜託部長找法務部跟司法院坐下來 |
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因為這件事情現在已經很嚴重了什麼叫做很嚴重我再複述一次用真空偷拍兒童洗澡我相信現在坐在這個會議室的人百分之九十九的人都覺得這是性影響但去年的時候那個修法理由 |
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帶著我們最高法院的法官做出了什麼樣的見解?我們最高法院的法官111年度抬上至1847號刑事判決用針孔拍未成年的少女洗澡不是兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第二條第一項第三款的性影像這件事很嚴重 |
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這事情沒有改變的話,代表了什麼?代表的是連接到我們現在要講封網的事情。你憑什麼封我的網?最高法院都說了,用針孔偷拍未成年的兒童洗澡,不適性影像。 |
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我再回來我還是建議就是說今天該要繼續處理下去把一些沒有爭議的或犯罪的構成要件不同的派要處理完也可以但有一件事顯然是要做的這樣會讓我們在審法條的時候更順利一點要不然的話衛福部法務部警政署一人一把號可能彼此之間先協調會比較讓我們在法條的審理上面會比較順利一點 |
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法定人數不足 |
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議員黃捷等 |
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adequate to the current state of the federal government. |
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繼官要專職的人力一直本來就需要那你不能讓這些既有的人力但是你說大海撈針的去辦案其實是很困難可是我想你看所以要加入這個會我不曉得因為我也沒看過也沒有加入過怎麼這些要進入他們網站的會員他們怎麼可以在大海撈針裡面馬上就撈得到所以顯然一定不是大海撈針馬上就可以我要去參加創意司法馬上搜尋一下然後就可以加入這樣子 |
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我們一般人可能還不知道怎麼加入可是他們一定有一些脈絡是可以的所以一定不是單純像大海撈針一樣所以專責然後專職這個事情很重要那這種狀況裡面有沒有一種可能是如果是要去大海撈針去網路主動巡查那要不要也直接交給這個性影像處理中心讓他們撈到了那人工這個可以加入這些社群呢 |
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然後再把這些案子再丟出來給專責的單位、專職的人力去辦,這樣子就也是一種可能啦。就是我們一直在呼籲就要專責和專職,這件事情剛好在這裡也可以放進去,要有這個組織和人力出現啦。好,謝謝。來李月琴,委員。 |
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好 這邊也同意剛剛前面兩位講的是不是我們現在就是第三條不在這邊討論因為牽扯到其他部會那事實上我提的第五條也是一樣的就是說這個警政單位是不是也要回去因為這個很重要的因為它非常是關鍵我就說如果我們後邊罰則罰得再重如果找不到人沒有影像比對的話那也是往來定到 |
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審查 |
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議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案。」案。 |
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所以我會建議說如果這幾條是不是可以今天先跳過往下走然後讓部會之間去討論清楚來然後也請衛福部如果可以的話把第三條跟第八條之間的邏輯跟關聯性也下一次的時候讓我們了解以上好那因為今天時間的關係本來是宣布四點半現在是四點五十四分 |
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那剛剛大家其實有這樣的一個建議那第一個就是第三條的部分我想主動巡查這個是在巡打的時候大家都希望政府要有主動性這個是一定要放入的只是怎麼放的問題所以大家不用推這一條一定要入法那入法是由哪個單位來執行的問題是現行這樣的寫法還是剛剛林淑芬委員有建議說新影像處理中心有沒有辦法 |
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就是擔負這麼高的一個職責就委託公權力委託可不可以到這樣子那這個你們回去再想但是禮拜三的審查這個是對性影像中心現在是有 |
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他們現在性影像處理中心是有預算有人的 對不對你們委外的是有的嘛所以這個你們再回去研議應該是怎麼做但是我同時也提醒法務部跟警政署你們都是有責任的這件事不會是只有衛福部的責任訴發部也有責任 |
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所以請大家來討論這次的兒童及少年性剝削防制條例每一個單位你要想是你該負起的責任是什麼而不是說這不是我的事啊不然是誰的事都是衛福部的事這也是沒有辦法不太可能好不好來部長要補充來謝謝各位委員的提醒跟指導 |
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現在大概有幾件事情必須要去處理第一個就是剛剛方國昌委員所提到的跟後面處罰實際上的實務上面的靈動性這我們再來開會找法務部、找司法院大家一起來做討論這是第一點第二點剛剛主要在討論的就是封網這件事情都主動巡查 |
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主動審查的確本來是我們同仁提出來的裡面提到司法警察、警察官跟檢察官的這一個也就是第六項的部分那剛剛法務部跟警務署都有表達他們的意見不過我想這個觀念上面必須要把它釐清因為現在要做的是兩件事情第一個叫做預防 |
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我們發現這個網站是有問題的我們就把它限制瀏覽就把它封掉這是預防避免說這些在這個網站裡面的這些兒少性影像再受到其他的人再進去就是說觀賞或者是把它Download下來 |
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這是一件事情至於裡面涉及到犯罪那就是檢警的事情所以這兩項不一樣的事情那我們現在在講的其實在這個第三條在處理的是封網的那個預防性的動作 |
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那這個就必須要快速而且要能夠能夠越等於是越快越好所以我們在制度設計上面就用了兩個階段第二階段就是主動讓這個業者自省下架第二階段就是我們強制用行政處分去強制他去執行就這樣子兩個階段那這個部分的話 |
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委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案 |
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不管是科技增防還是說事發不有這樣子能夠提供這樣的技術的支援的話我們就比較容易做甚至可以不用委外但是以現階段我們是想要先用委外的方式讓大家先放心 |
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這是衛福部的事情,我沒有要麻煩大家。這是衛福部的事情,但是我們希望其他部會在技術上面給我們一個資源。大概是這樣子。 |
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所以這兩件事情我們就來處理那這個我們越快越好那第二件事情其實也不用什麼特別處理我大概今天把話攤開來講就衛福部補正啦啊大家就幫忙這樣啦啊第一件事情的話這的確今天跟司法機關比較有關係這個還是必須要去做討論好謝謝部長補充說明剛剛羅廷文委員是最後補充 |
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你有聽到是不是?那如果是這樣子的話我想剛剛其實主動巡查跟封網是這一次修法大家重中之重那剛剛部長也很有誠意講了我希望其他相關的單位一定要來協助衛福部就是所有的兒童性剝削防制條例裡面我們要落實真的不是只有衛福部的事麻煩各部會你可以提供技術的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1012].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
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爾邵性剝削現在有八成以上, |
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這個真的都是在網路上發生的那這個部分的修法意見你們要提出來因為本來這邊寫的是維持現行條例就是不修法的意思但是不修法的情況你們要怎麼樣去做到落實你們現在根本就是做得太少所以這個部分因為我有提出相關的修法教育部也不能置身事外 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1015].text |
議員主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1016].text |
二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。案。 |
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二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1018].text |
議員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[1019].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[1019].text |
二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第八十九條條文修正草案 案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第三十九條及第八十九條條文修正草案 案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[1020].text |
二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。」案。二、委員林岱樺等20人擬具:「兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第八條、第三十九條及第五十一條條文修正草案案。案。 |
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眾議院主席 |