| IVOD_ID |
158526 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158526 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T12:54:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T13:09:23+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:59 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e0b676efc738c6e8814f10c035d50fc64820a17d70bb46c0dc6075f793af8843da5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
王世堅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:54:24 - 13:09:23 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,我請財政部長莊部長喔委員好 |
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總部長一整個上午我看到你跟主計長兩個那就一次被在野黨當然也有幾位我們執政黨的立委就多所批評了這一次財政法案法這樣子通過之後那我只能用喔輕痛愁快四個字 |
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來形容現在這個情況那早知如此你記不記得在3月份因為你是極少數有延續從上一任那延續到這一任的部長所以那時候你也知道當時我們執政黨包括我我們就提出說針對財政收支劃分法 |
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我們財政部應該提出院版的我們行政院版到底我們認為財政收支應該怎麼樣結果三拖兩不拖的拖到520內閣改組之後你也接任財政部長之後你還是沒有提出從頭到尾 一次到這一次財政收支劃分法被強行通過之後 |
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也還是沒有對應政策我認為當初我們要說哪一個黨的版本不好哪一個黨的版本是過分啦是限縮了中央總體的國防外交重大交通建設的支出這一些我們應該我們提出那怎麼樣才是對的結果通通都不 |
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那現在被在野黨也來扯說那你超徵說現在超徵一年都超徵三四千億那拿了一個三千七百多億光超徵的就夠但是你看了一下從這七年來確實我們有超徵 |
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除了2020年我們沒有超徵而且還少徵了222億確實其他年度都超徵超徵的金額也都不少三四千億有的甚至達到超徵五千兩百億之多啦這個部分我今天再提出我就是希望說財政部你們回去好好針對為什麼你每年抓的預算數 |
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實行的那個年份都又超增那當然這是景氣豪政府的政策對我們民間的功勞最大民間有活力民間的進步這些都是事實但是你們竟然都預估不到這一點我倒是很訝異所以我是希望這樣當今之計就是說四個字 |
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市權下放也就是說拿了多少錢去地方拿了3700多億去那這3700多億相對應的那他就應該擔多少的責任多少的市權就是下放給他比方說長照 |
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長照本來在執行的時候就都是需要的老弱婦孺身障者他們的長照也好他們的自立生活也好他們的就學就業需要的交通的輔具也好這些本來就是各該縣市地方政府社會局他們去接駕交通局他們去接駕 |
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那我們中央再來撥款給他們那既然是撥了這些去那麼就該這一部分的市權乾脆就移給地方那我們中央不再補助就這些錢大家四四六六講清楚也就是說市權下放但是市權下放要有一個前提就是要修法 |
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所以部長我覺得這一個部分事權下放的修法必須由你來主導跟各部會協商看怎麼用這個部分趕快去做一些完成修法可不可以 |
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對於委員質詢謝謝委員的質詢第一個就是說財政部對於財政收支劃分法的一個修正其實一直在努力從去年 今年初我們收集各地方政府的意見他們指標多大八十幾個那在八十幾個裡面每一個指標的含義內涵我們必須要把它弄清楚才能夠規整那也經過財政部開會以後已經把它 |
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目前都有共識這個指標部分除了三個指標沒有共識其他的部分已經有共識那接下來就是指標裡面必須要權重的一個賦予一個配置好這個權重這個權重裡面每個指標配置的權重就跟我們要達到一個均衡區域發展跟調劑財政營蓄的目的要相符第二個部分我們要鼓勵財政的一個努力另外呢對於就是說每個權重裡面 |
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每一個指標裡面它還要有更細緻的一個調整系數我講過比如說人口不能只用一個人口的一個數字那人口裡面有結構的不同土地有土地的面積但是土地面積裡面有建築用地跟農業用地它也不相同你應該必須要有更細緻的劃分可以不同的一個系數或加成我想這個部分跟委員說了 |
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這個都跟我們在立法院研議的方向大概都一致但是你手邊就像你剛剛講的你手邊都有各該地區各該地方政府他土地服務員大小比例多少農地多少建地多少工業用地這些你們都很清楚 |
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所以我認為在修法上你們才能很快速的做出最公正的一些評估當然就是說我們在做這個過程當中這些意見也是地方政府他在我們來開會的時候他們所表達的所以這個部分除了我們收集他的意見之外另外就是我們的權重怎麼樣去配置另外權數的部分他的調整係數要怎麼樣的加成或減成這個都還要大家要有個共識 |
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我認為加速,加速也就是說再來的開會必須要很有效率也就是說財政部內部你趕快把爭點找出來啦把到底地方政府他們講的有哪一些不管有沒有道理 |
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到底他跟我們爭執點還在哪一些重要的點好不好爭點拿出來那大家就針對爭點來回答那麼一些不必要的爭執像剛剛我一路我聽在台黨立委一路罵你們我說實在話 |
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委員好主計長 |
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年到了你又先報了一個喜訊你說這個24年還新低我們11月份的失業率降到3.36%但是如果去除掉我們農曆年農曆年本來就是因為季節因素那臨時性的工作比較多隨便舉例像聯絡大街這樣子 |
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如果你把季節性因素去掉以後我們失業率是不降反升那你看一下這個表格這是從美國、台灣、南韓、德國、香港這樣做比較下來你看看在疫情期間大家都一樣高美國甚至高達5.7香港高達5.1但是你看疫情之後 |
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疫情之後不但美國降降到比我們略高其他亞洲國家當然啦歐洲、德國這個3.0不算其他亞洲國家從韓國、香港、新加坡到日本都遠比我們低所以啊那個主計長這一點我一直想不懂那麼你有 |
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最近你要跟我們我有問你們吼 |
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我說今年的5月我就問過我說你們要怎麼樣來研究改善結構性的失業今年5月我同樣的問題我就問因為業務緊縮會導致的結構性失業現在11月份因為業務緊縮導致的結構性失業人口高達10萬2000人內 |
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高達10萬2千人這個就不是你剛剛報的喜訊喔這個算是一個警訊欸一個警訊那當然這裡面齁我覺得最嚴重的是青年的失業率我們青年失業率那個主計長你知道嗎高達11.75% |
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那你是說因為青年暫時找不到職場方向那但是主計長我請問你啊剛剛我講的失業率遠比我們低的韓國、香港、新加坡、日本他們國家也會有這個因素啊也會有這個青年暫時找不到職場方向也有這個因素不是嗎 |
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那你有去規劃啦找不到職場方說我工作地點不理想待遇不符期望我工時長短不適合當然列了這些這些因素其他那幾個國家也都有不是嗎所以我認為主席長你們在失業率的統計查查都過分樂觀還有針對啊我們怎麼樣來 |
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所以主計長我想聽聽你的看法 |
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報告委員剛剛講的季節性的一個調整那為什麼我們會比去年還要高是因為去年他是影響比較大季節性的調整比較大今年比較少所以相對的這樣一減下來我們又比去年來增加 |
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731.833 |
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那這個部分就是說季節性調整今年相對比較小那再來就季節性調整如果我們驅除的話現在談到的就是說原則上就是說它是短期的影響我們必須要給它刪除然後來看一個整個結構性的一個事業 |
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我希望你更激進 |
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我告訴你這個青年失業率我們已經高達11%了11%是大概包括跟以色列墨西哥這麼偏遠的國家相比他們都才5.2、5.3那跟我們鄰近的韓國他們也只有我們一半他們才5.4而已不是這樣嗎還有有一點你回去再 |
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委員長王世堅 |
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調高這是對但是這麼多年來的統計比方說這10年來的統計我們的低薪者高薪者高薪者他一樣是高低薪者有調高可是中位數是中位數薪資者這10年來幾乎文文不動沒有任何的調幅 |
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所以這一個部分當然我們在立院我們很多立委包括我我們都有提出說如何加薪減稅這樣子的案子這些都還沒通過所以我希望說對於薪資中位數者 |
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主計處你們想想看有什麼樣的方式對中位數者來做提升因為這10年來中位數的薪資所得者他們是聞不動這一點是我提醒你們要去注意的地方我跟委員報告以往我們就是中位數只有年薪 |
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沒有月薪那我們現在已經改善了所以我們現在已經有中位數的一個薪資有月薪那月薪是我們還往前推到109年度的一個資料所以現在會有中位數的一個月薪出來那中位數的月薪和平均薪資裡面的一個距離我們越來越縮短表示說大家也是中位數的薪資越來越趨近於平均薪資是這樣沒有月薪的同時啦 |
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884.203 |
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好,那你把這資料給我我以為你遺忘了中衛新知者,你忘了這一... |