| IVOD_ID |
158514 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158514 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T11:31:05+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T11:43:16+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:11 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e0e5e2896a943ba6ba4f10c035d50fc648d9c2d0a04e685e49a189f99eb07134245ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:31:05 - 11:43:16 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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謝謝主席,有請行政院副秘以及財政部長、主計長副秘您好 |
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今天來討論114年度的總預算到底要重編不重編事實上我們感覺行政院的態度很模糊在這裡我們也看到很多的報導也告訴我們今天的專報也寫著 |
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其實中央43個主管部會大致有已經有33個已經完成初步的審議那地方政府呢也已經大部分都完成審議這個時候我覺得我們不應該讓人民讓地方政府無所適從我們比較擔心的是 |
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我們這個地方的行政院的態度是不是也無所適從其實這個部分政府的態度非常的重要所以呢我就來肯定的問您您也肯定的來回答一下到底會不會重編預算 |
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跟委員報告那當天行政院發言的原意是對未明定施行日期所產生的嚴重衝擊他表達憂心了那根據我們今天我的報告財政部長報告跟主計長報告我們沒有要重編預算好肯定的回覆沒有要重編預算那既然不重編預算我看到 |
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要去刪減28%的預算這是各部會所以我也要請教一下主計長跟財政部長財政部長你應該清楚我前兩次的質詢我都有一再的提到如果要刪到底各部會怎麼刪我一直希望趕快算出來那我現在呢看到我們的主計專報說 |
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法律義務的項目這些呢我們就保留不刪那這樣子總來講是需要刪減大概28% |
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那之後呢也很高興我在上個禮拜我也陸陸續續看到各部會有發新聞稿以內政部來講他說他要刪減大約283億那國科會呢他評估他要刪200億 |
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我最關心的袁明慧他呢也做了新聞稿那在這邊我要特別來講一下部長你應該還記得我前兩次的質詢我都有特別提這一次的財劃法對袁湘的衝擊我認為比其他部會影響更大 |
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大家都很清楚過去我們的原鄉可能是因為人數少不具什麼政治影響力我們很難仰賴地方政府多分一些錢給我們我們大部分都是仰賴中央政府這個就好比過去我們在地方政府爹不疼娘不愛我們好歹可以靠我們的爺爺奶奶 |
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算,他是依法律義務。 |
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好,那請問一下那會不會影響到發放?既然是法律義務支出。不會。好,不會。所以呢,原民會的新聞稿可能還要再重新加回去喔。我要講的是只剩一點點,他們的新聞稿寫14.5億欸。 |
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我們這麼多的計畫原鄉最重視的聯外道路特色道路聚會所的興建那一些脆弱家庭還有那些房屋的修繕部落環境改善等等等幾百項怎麼辦這個怎麼辦 |
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所以在這裡我要特別特別的我有邀請你們說特別是對我們的原鄉對我們原住民族人不論是地方的建設或者是這些福利措施所造成的影響至少我現在還沒看到很清楚的報告 |
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所以這個部分麻煩主計總處還有財政部協助一下我還是希望看到因為我必須要給我的族人清楚的資訊要不然每天外面錯假資訊的圖卡滿天飛我也看不到政府出來去做正確的回應那我們也不知道要怎麼協助政府做正確的回應所以這個部分的資料我還是要趕快希望這幾天以內趕快寫出來給我 |
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委員報告一下就是說原住民114年度的預算他有123.8億那扣除依法律義務的部分就是80.8億所以剩下的部分就是必須要3減28%所以我就緊張啊他們的新聞稿試算啊剩沒有多少錢啊 |
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我之前問財政部的時候我有特別強調我不知道要怎麼刪是各部會平均公平的來刪一定的%數還是怎麼樣我不知道但是我有講 |
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原鄉我們長期大家都知道我們是完全依賴過去中央政府的補助這個對我們的衝擊非常的大所以如果你們要統三用一定的比例統三我不能接受因為我對我們原鄉來講影響太大了我不能接受所以呢我站在原住民的立場我是強烈的反對現在這個版本的財劃法對我們影響非常大 |
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所以我在這邊我想要了解一下我很關心行政院的反制措施那我先請教主計長如果預算是3減28%那你們又說不重編我覺得這個是互為矛盾那還有什麼樣的因應方式原則上是我們必須要比如說透過追加減的方式來做一個調整所以你要用追減預算吧 |
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對,追檢預算那追檢預算要拖到什麼時候?下會期嗎?因為籌備預算時間是比較長那我們必須每一個部會每一個計畫都去討論它刪減的項目包括它補助地方的一個比率這個部分我們都必須要做檢討那這個部分影響不是一年而是每一年因為這是結構性的刪減所以每一年都要刪減3753億所以這個部分就會對我們影響很大 |
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我請教一下行政院副秘書長請問行政院會提復議嗎? |
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目前我們是還沒有收到財劃法修正的公文那收到後的話我們會在憲政賦予的權利之下然後尋求各種的救濟程序那請問一下你們所謂的救濟措施有哪些目前都在研議當中那包括那個委員剛剛講的復育也是我們的研議方向之一 |
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那什麼時候會清楚?其實我一再講的就是我們的人民不能夠讓他無所適從。我覺得政府的責任就是不要讓我們的人民無所適從。我覺得態度要很明確。所以什麼時候?因為我們還沒有收到財劃法的更新。那有沒有打算要提暫時處分?我們就且戰且走。 |
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這部分應該也是演繹中的之一而已啦那憲法法庭呢?也是所以憲法法庭你可以等到憲法法庭釋憲的結果啟動的了嗎?但是這個我們都是在憲政的程序之下所救的救力程序他原來規定就是這樣子啊那我請教一下財政部部長 |
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行政院有沒有可能再修財劃法?下個會期跟委員報告財劃法其實我們之前從今年初我們就開始一直努力包含指標的部分我們都一直在努力那現在因為立法院已經三讀通過財劃法的修正案那後續的一個相關的因應措施 |
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剛剛我們副秘書長講得很清楚在核限的架構之下相關的因應措施都目前在評估當中是的部長我們一直在講事權要一併的來去做調整我其實是很希望說你們財政部如果可以再修財劃法內政部我希望可以一併的來修地質法 |
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委員對於原鄉我們的民眾的一個權益非常的一個重視也多次的提起這樣的一個建議這個我們理解是謝謝有沒有可能那這個因為地質法屬於內政部的權責 |
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好我我內政部我會問是那您可以嗎呃如果內政部那邊做調整當然財劃法這邊是一個下階段的部長這次我們原鄉被丟包呢呃我了解因為委員也有提然後趙偉陳玉珍趙偉說下個會期他說可以再提委員有提修正條我知道是謝謝 |
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我想這個部分可以來考慮但是我聽起來我還是要再講一次站在我原住民的立場我強烈反對現在這個版本的財劃法我覺得對我們影響很大所以這個部分那個行政院複密會不附屬嗎因為這個部分的話我們是要在合憲的範圍之內去處理的那是我們的其中一個方案嗎 |
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因為不附屬應該不是我憲政程序裡面的程序之一 |
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您的態度一直都很模糊啊每一個都是沒有接、沒有收到要不然就是還沒有研議那這樣怎麼辦呢?因為實況是我們真的還沒有收到但是我還是要跟傅敏玲說站在我原住民的立場我是非常的反對現在這個版本的財劃法對我們原鄉我可以直接講就直接宣告會成為財政孤兒 |
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謝謝主席 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：（11時31分）謝謝主席，有請行政院副秘以及財政部長、主計長。 |
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主席 |
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李副秘書長、莊部長、陳主計長。 |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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委員好。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：副秘您好。 |
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今天來討論114年度的總預算到底要重編、不重編，事實上我們感覺行政院的態度很模糊，在這裡我們也看到很多的報導也告訴我們，今天的專報也寫著，其實中央43個主管部會有33個已經完成初步的審議，地方政府也已經大部分都完成審議，這個時候我覺得我們不應該讓人民、讓地方政府無所適從，我們比較擔心的是這個地方行政院的態度是不是也無所適從。 |
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其實這個部分政府的態度非常重要，所以我就來肯定地問您，您也肯定地來回答一下，到底會不會重編預算？ |
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李副秘書長國興 |
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跟委員報告，當天行政院發言的原意是對未明定施行日期所產生的嚴重衝擊表達憂心，根據今天我的報告、財政部長的報告跟主計長的報告，我們沒有要重編預算。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，肯定地回復沒有要重編預算。 |
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既然不重編預算，我看到要去刪減28%的預算，這是各部會，所以我也要請教一下主計長跟財政部長，財政部長你應該清楚我前兩次的質詢都有一再地提到，如果要刪，到底各部會怎麼刪，我一直希望趕快算出來。 |
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我現在看到主計總處專報說法律義務的項目這些就保留不刪，這樣子總的來講是需要刪減大概28%。 |
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很高興我在上個禮拜也陸陸續續看到各部會有發新聞稿，以內政部來講，它說它要刪減大約283億，國科會評估它要刪200億，我最關心的原民會，它也做了新聞稿。 |
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在這邊我要特別來講一下，部長你應該還記得我前兩次的質詢都有特別提，這一次的財劃法對原鄉的衝擊，我認為比其他部會影響更大。 |
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大家都很清楚，過去我們的原鄉可能是因為人數少，不具什麼政治影響力，很難仰賴地方政府多分一些錢給我們，我們大部分都是仰賴中央政府，這個就好比過去我們在地方政府爹不疼、娘不愛，我們好歹可以靠我們的爺爺奶奶，過去確實我們也是把財劃法的這些當作是調節我們其他不平均的地方，我們是倚賴這個挹注。 |
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現在慘了，爺爺告訴我說：我的錢都已經給你的爸爸了，請跟爸爸要；但爸爸依然不愛我、不照顧我，我不是就變財政孤兒了嗎？ |
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所以原民會的部分，我看到它的新聞稿，我嚇死了，它剩一點點錢耶！ |
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我先問：禁伐補償金算不算法律義務支出？ |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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算，它是依法律義務。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，請問一下會不會影響到發放？ |
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既然是法律義務支出。不會。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：不會，所以原民會的新聞稿可能還要再重新加回去。 |
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我要講的是，只剩一點點，他們的新聞稿寫14.5億。 |
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我們這麼多的計畫，原鄉最重視的聯外道路、特色道路、聚會所的興建、那一些脆弱家庭，還有那些房屋的修繕、部落環境改善等等等幾百項，怎麼辦？ |
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這個怎麼辦？ |
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所以在這裡，我要特別特別地請你們說明，特別是對我們的原鄉、對我們原住民族人，不論是地方的建設或者是這些福利措施所造成的影響，至少我現在還沒看到很清楚的報告。 |
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所以這個部分麻煩主計總處還有財政部協助一下，我還是希望看到，因為我必須要給我的族人清楚的資訊，要不然每天外面錯假資訊的圖卡滿天飛，我也看不到政府出來去做正確的回應，我們也不知道要怎麼協助政府做正確的回應，所以這個部分的資料還是希望這幾天以內趕快寫出來給我，我在這邊…… |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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跟委員報告一下，原住民114年度的預算有123.8億，扣除依法律義務的部分就是80.8億，所以剩下的部分就是必須要刪減28%。 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以我就緊張啊，他們的新聞稿試算，剩沒有多少錢啊。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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它要刪減12.1億，如果以原民會來講。 |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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如果我們是通案刪減的話，本身要不要通案刪減我們必須要討論，因為有時候國防預算會有一些相關的…… |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我之前問財政部的時候有特別強調，我不知道要怎麼刪，是各部會平均公平地來刪一定的趴數還是怎麼樣，我不知道，但是我有講，長期大家都知道，我們原鄉是完全倚賴過去中央政府的補助，這個對我們的衝擊非常大，所以如果你們要統刪、用一定的比例統刪，我不能接受，因為對我們原鄉來講影響太大了，我不能接受！ |
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所以站在原住民的立場，我是強烈地反對現在這個版本的財劃法，對我們影響非常大。 |
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所以我在這邊，我想要了解一下，我很關心行政院的反制措施，我先請教主計長，如果預算是刪減28%，那你們又說不重編，我覺得這個是互為矛盾，還有什麼樣的因應方式？ |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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原則上是我們必須要，譬如說透過追加減的方式來做一個調整。 |
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0.962 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:25.636000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:27.237000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，所以你要用追減預算吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.303 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-12-30T11:38:28.713000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-12-30T11:38:29.093000+08:00 |
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對，追減預算。 |
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0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-12-30T11:38:29.173000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:30.854000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那追減預算要拖到什麼時候？ |
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0.324 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-12-30T11:38:31.815000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-12-30T11:38:32.776000+08:00 |
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下會期嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-12-30T11:38:32.776000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:45.166000+08:00 |
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因為籌備預算時間是比較長，我們必須每一個部會、每一個計畫都去討論要刪減的項目，包括它補助地方的比率，這個部分我們都必須要做檢討。 |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.983 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:45.606000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:51.551000+08:00 |
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這個部分影響不是一年，而是每一年，因為這是結構性的刪減，每一年都要刪減3,753億，所以這個部分就會對我們影響很大，都要做整個討論，所以它耗費的時間就比較長。 |
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0.706 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:51.551000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:55.734000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以刪減預算也不是個好辦法，我聽起來。 |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:55.734000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:38:59.618000+08:00 |
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那我請教一下行政院副秘書長，請問行政院會提覆議嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.913 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-12-30T11:39:12.311000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-12-30T11:39:22.200000+08:00 |
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目前我們是還沒有收到財劃法修正的公文，收到後的話，我們會在憲政賦予的權力之下尋求各種的救濟程序。 |
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0.978 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-12-30T11:39:23.121000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:39:25.322000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：請問一下，你們所謂的救濟措施有哪些？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.421 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-12-30T11:39:26.323000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-12-30T11:39:32.609000+08:00 |
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目前都在研議當中，包括委員剛剛講的覆議，也是我們的研議方向之一。 |
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0.931 |
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2024-12-30T11:39:32.609000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T11:39:34.590000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那什麼時候會清楚？ |
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0.267 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-12-30T11:39:34.590000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:39:49.277000+08:00 |
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其實我一再講的就是我們的人民不能夠讓他無所適從，我覺得政府的責任就是不要讓我們的人民無所適從，我覺得態度要很明確，所以什麼時候？ |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-12-30T11:39:50.297000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-12-30T11:39:52.278000+08:00 |
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因為我們還沒有收到財劃法的公文。 |
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0.867 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-12-30T11:39:53.819000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:39:58.241000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，有沒有打算要提暫時處分我們就且戰且走？ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0.439 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:00.826000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-12-30T11:40:04.087000+08:00 |
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這個部分應該也是研議中的之一而已。 |
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0.812 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:04.087000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T11:40:08.088000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那憲法法庭呢？也是。 |
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0.267 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:08.088000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:40:12.489000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以您可以等到憲法法庭釋憲的結果？ |
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0.395 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:13.809000+08:00 |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-12-30T11:40:16.350000+08:00 |
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啟動得了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:16.950000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-12-30T11:40:22.091000+08:00 |
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我們都是在憲政的程序之下所做的救濟程序，它原來規定就是這樣。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.893 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:23.111000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:40:29.045000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，我請教一下財政部部長，行政院下個會期有沒有可能再修財劃法？ |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0.46 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:31.307000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-12-30T11:40:39.094000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，財劃法其實之前、從今年初，我們就開始一直努力，包含指標的部分，我們都一直在努力。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-12-30T11:40:40.095000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:40:56.759000+08:00 |
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現在因為立法院已經三讀通過財劃法的修正案，後續相關的因應措施，剛剛我們副秘書長講得很清楚，在合憲的架構之下，相關的因應措施目前都在評估當中。 |
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0.954 |
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2024-12-30T11:40:57.959000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:41:13.988000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：部長，我們一直在講事權要一併來做調整，我其實很希望，你們財政部如果可以再修財劃法，我希望內政部可以一併來修地制法，我真的希望你們這樣子做。 |
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0.565 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:17.126000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:41:25.553000+08:00 |
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委員對於我們原鄉民眾的權益非常重視，也多次提起這樣一個建議，這個我們理解，謝謝，因為地制法裡面有規定…… |
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0.739 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:25.553000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T11:41:26.553000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：有沒有可能？ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0.185 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:26.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-12-30T11:41:27.094000+08:00 |
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因為地制法屬於內政部的權責。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:32.418000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:41:36.623000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，內政部我會去問，那您可以嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.343 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:36.623000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-12-30T11:41:40.507000+08:00 |
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如果內政部那邊做調整，當然財劃法這邊是下一個階段的處理。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:40.587000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:41:42.209000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：部長，這次我們原鄉被丟包！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:43.390000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-12-30T11:41:44.672000+08:00 |
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我了解，因為委員也有提供修正條文。 |
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0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:46.033000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:41:48.576000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：陳玉珍召委說，下個會期可以再提。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.333 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:49.157000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-12-30T11:41:50.719000+08:00 |
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委員有提修正條文，我知道，謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-12-30T11:41:52.180000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:42:07.085000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我想這個部分可以來考慮，但是聽起來，我還是要再講一次，站在我原住民的立場，我強烈反對現在這個版本的財劃法，我覺得對我們影響很大，所以就這個部分，行政院副秘，你們會不副署嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.707 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:07.125000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-12-30T11:42:08.465000+08:00 |
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這個部分我們是要在合憲的範圍之內去處理。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:08.505000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:42:08.945000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那是我們其中的一個方案嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.324 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:23.322000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-12-30T11:42:26.476000+08:00 |
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不副署應該不是我們憲政程序裡面的程序之一。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.85 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:27.501000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-12-30T11:42:29.122000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：那您的態度一直都很模糊啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.324 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:29.782000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:42:36.965000+08:00 |
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每一個要不然就是沒有收到，要不然就是還沒有研議，這樣要怎麼辦呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.828 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:38.045000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-12-30T11:42:39.126000+08:00 |
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實況是我們真的還沒有收到。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:40.166000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
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2024-12-30T11:42:53.932000+08:00 |
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伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：但是我還是要跟副秘說，站在我原住民的立場，我是非常地反對現在這個版本的財劃法，對我們原鄉來說，我可以直接講，直接宣告，會成為財政孤兒。 |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.671 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-12-30T11:42:54.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-12-30T11:43:02.146286+08:00 |
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以前就已經很辛苦了，未來會更辛苦，站在原住民的立場我不接受。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-12-30T11:43:02.446286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T11:43:15.874857+08:00 |
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所以你的救濟程序走不副署提覆議我都沒有意見，但是這個版本對我們來講，影響甚鉅，希望可以傳達。謝謝。好。謝謝。 |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.043 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-12-30T11:43:16.174857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-12-30T11:43:18.174857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
謝謝伍麗華委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-12-30T11:43:18.474857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T11:43:23.903429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
我們等一下鄭天財委員質詢完畢後休息5分鐘。 |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-12-30T11:43:24.203429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-12-30T11:43:25.917714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
請張啓楷委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |