| IVOD_ID |
158507 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158507 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-30 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-14 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-30T10:55:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-30T11:08:29+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:40 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/358c3f0dd56dd1e006114f18b26ade704f10c035d50fc648d9c2d0a04e685e490f546765d3498e985ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
李坤城 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:55:49 - 11:08:29 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-30T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：邀請行政院龔秘書長明鑫、行政院主計總處陳主計長淑姿、財政部莊部長翠雲就「行政院表示：因財劃法修正，114年度總預算須重編」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【113年12月30日及114年1月2日二天一次會】） |
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今天就12月30日 |
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明天12月31日禮拜三就元旦了本來在20日如果順利的話政交稅當成降稅減半就可以完成了那就沒什麼問題了27日還是沒有通過現在只剩下明天院會會開但是我也不確定他會不會列入優先法案因為我看一下優先法案國民黨好像是想先脫老人福利法、就業服務法 |
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也沒有把這一個這個政交稅當初降稅減半納進去那我請教你那如果都沒有納進去明天沒有討論沒辦法通過的話那該怎麼辦 |
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沒有,如果沒有通過的話就會造成這個有關那個券商就要用千分之三的來課當中了因為現行的法條就是到113年12月31日對,好,那就是用千分之三因為沒有這個再延三年嘛就用千分之三,好,那就會衍生後續的問題 |
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李坤城議員 |
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按照這個政交稅法的第8條按照這個機關要按其貸增稅額給予千分之一的獎金然後呢 112年呢政交稅額實增額是1793億然後呢貸增獎金的總額是1.91那所以呢平均102家券商平均每家是187萬那請教一下 |
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那如果發生了這個空窗期這些電腦系統的費用調整跟加班的這些人力費用誰要來處理 誰要來負責 券商還是財政部還是金管會還是國民黨跟民眾黨 |
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其實財政部所支付的就是他代徵的一個我們委任他去做代徵嘛那所以按照那個時徵的數然後因地的比例給予而且一個最高限那自己這些費用的部分並不在於財政部要支付給他的那誰要支付這個費用那就是恐怕要券商自行負擔了券商自行負擔那券商人覺得很倒霉他巴不得說希望說趕快通過然後現在就有人力又有系統要調整 |
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所以接下來這些成本都是由眷方自己去吸收就對了?要面臨這樣的一個問題而且這個整個會是比較複雜的是好那再請教一下齁那如果說啦齁這個在明天有完成這個三讀的話那這樣來得及嗎? |
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如果我們真的希望是明天真的能夠順利的完成三讀後續的行政的一個跑的流程我們財政部會盡力的一個來做有辦法在一天之內完成嗎這個可能就沒有什麼因為接下來就是元旦了嘛對就是元旦了那我們盡力來做完這個部分而且能夠希望能夠盡快是我知道啦那我就說因為接下來就是元旦了一天之內能夠完成 |
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對然後就是說這個1月2號開始就繼續1月2號就開盤了嘛對啊那就會運用但是交割的時間是在兩天後嘛1月6號交割所以我們一定會再用盡快的時間把這個流程跑完其實很重要就是讓券商也好股民也好社會大眾可以知道說後續因為現在是處於一個不安定的狀況是啊我們真的很希望大院能夠盡快審议三讀通過是 |
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我們也希望我們一直列為優先的討論事項但是在野黨沒有把這個放在前面所以說如果明天萬一順利有三讀通過的話時間上是來得及我們財政部盡力的去做努力的去因為我們希望讓這個股市的資本市場能夠是一個安定的一個狀態是那如果 |
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明天沒有辦法順利刪讀勒?要等到這一個再隔幾天5號這個禮拜五再刪讀勒?那我想金管會已經說他做了最壞的打算最好的準備卷商都必須要做相關的一些調整那所以在這幾天交易的勒?就是一樣按照簽名之三?如果沒辦法敢在這個一定時間完成那就只有按現行的法律來可證然後等到刪讀之後?113年就 |
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所以有可能有幾天是簽分之三然後三讀通過之後比如說禮拜五通過之後才用這個簽分之1.5會這樣子嗎我們的修正條文是它的起日在106年的4月幾號對不對然後到截止日所以目前是113年12月31號那接下來如果修法通過是到116年的12月31號 |
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所以說如果這樣子還涉及到退稅的問題就對了 |
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因為它是延續性的所以說如果有可能就是說幾天的教育日是千分之三但是因為如果通過之後就要退稅給這些人就對了對對對那可是就變得很複雜是不是產生一些因為整個是程式要做調整修正那涉及到的事情就很多了對 |
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我是希望順利通過但是看這個樣子不一定能順利通過所以你們真的要做最壞的這個打算跟準備了對是的是的是我想金管會也在這方面在做跟那個證交所他們都在做這方面的準備工作是好那我請一下這個副秘書長跟主計長部長可能也要留步啦這等一下都是連貫性的謝謝那我先問一下副秘書長好了 |
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我先問一下在這一個12月20號通過的這一個三個法案包含限速法、選罷法、財劃法行政院都收到了嗎目前只有收到一個財劃法還沒有收到目前收到什麼只有收到那個限速法只有收到限速法只有收到限速法財劃法跟這個選罷法都還沒有收到 |
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這還蠻神奇的我不知道國民黨在做什麼打算就是說理論上這個通過12月12日通過理論上應該是他們會一起送給行政院那我不知道為什麼會先送限數法然後因為我剛剛聽你講我才知道說你們還沒有收到財劃法還沒有所以我就問一下那選爆法你們也沒收到也沒有 |
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我不知道政協黨在想什麼不知道要他做什麼東西了不知道在想什麼東西我不知道所以現在財劃法還沒收到還沒有那如果財劃法都沒有收到的話那我們就按照舊的財劃法來做處理囉 |
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目前是這樣子,就是說我們會在收到財劃法修正的公文以後,我們會按照憲政賦予的權利,在合法的秩序下,尋求各種救濟的程序。這我知道,這我知道。那我請教一下這個主計長好了,我在你的報告裡面有看到就是說, |
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基於這個錢隨事權移轉的原則要搭配事權的監套修正相關的行政作用法一波合理業務給予地方政府辦理這部分你們已經有沒有想到就是說因為我們本來一直在講說這個錢跟權要處理好那甚至地方制度法或是相關的一些法要做這個修法 |
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有一些沒有修法的那有沒有在行政程序上面就是說因為我們少了3753億嘛那是不是就是給地方來做處理你們有沒有做好這個相關因應的準備 |
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532.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
目前是還沒有但是等於是說各部會都必須要去檢討比如說他對縣市的一個補助的計畫是不是仍然維持他補助的比例是不是要縮減他這都必須要看整個一個檢討而且整個一個行政院的施政方針到底是要檢哪些是不是全部都通案顯28%還是說哪些不檢哪些要檢 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
533.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
534.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我認為你們要趕快去做這個處理因為他這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
553.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
581.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
國民黨還就是反正就這樣推出去的還就是少了這3700的3億然後支出的話這個稅數的話大概平均會降18%那18%你說有國防、有財政、有交通都會少那你們就是要去做這個調整有些一定是超過18%那有些我們認為很重要比如說國防不能再刪了就可能會沒辦法刪但是沒有辦法刪國防那其他一定相對會減少很多嘛這是第一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
582.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
606.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
第二位就是說你們跟這個原來這個地方政府你們還有這個計劃型的補助款那有可能這個給的比率也會做調整啊因為我看到這個有台南市的立委就講有可能這個財劃法通過之後會得不償失雖然多了這個統籌分配款但是有可能計劃型的補助有可能會變零啊會是減少會不會發生這種情況就是計劃型的補助款會再做調整 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
608.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
631.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
調整是一定會但怎麼調整還是看部會的一個策略那第二個就是說其實像在計劃型補助是六都在偏多啊芝霞市的六都比較多啊這個部分呢所以六都的影響會比較大如果說要做調整那另外也說明一下就是說前瞻計劃裡面其實有4000多億都已經核定但是還沒有編列預算的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
632.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
658.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
這個部分裡面軌道建設就佔2700多那這勢必也一定受到影響以上一個說明就是說齁除了這個已經從中央挖走3750之外現在齁國民黨他們還要通過這個老人福利法就這一個所得稅急峻齁未達百分之百分之二十啊齁他們現在大概有輿論壓力再修正是變成百分之五那如果這樣下去的話又是在挖中央的錢啊是 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].start |
658.769 |
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662.37 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
對,這個部分如果說中央增加負擔這個就是屬於法律15那這個部分那其他三減部會三減的金額又要往上提升是啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].start |
677.936 |
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694.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
如果齁我再提醒啊這個只是其中一個案子福利法有可能還有其他的錢跟法案就是他從中央花了錢但是呢他又多了其他的錢跟法案又讓你中央出錢那你中央的錢是從哪裡來部長要舉債嗎舉債的話我們公共債務法有在線的上線的規定不是說 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].start |
702.401 |
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706.403 |
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其實我有跟你討論過了,如果把這個統籌分配款算進去,再加上這個我們這個前瞻預算、特別預算其實你已經沒有錢可以再去做那個舉債了啊,你已經會超過這15%的上限了啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
724.991 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
726.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].text |
舉債不可行只剩下稅數的部分來做調整來做刪除了 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].start |
745.946 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
759.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].text |
這個是全台灣人民要去共同承擔的啦但是相關的一些作用法那些法案一些法條該做修正的你們要趕快先去做處理啦你們可能要加班做處理了這個年大概應該不是很好過了謝謝 |
| transcript.gazette[0].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[0].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:49+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[0].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:50+08:00 |
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謝謝主席，我先請財政部部長。 |
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主席 |
| transcript.gazette[1].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:50+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[1].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:51+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[1].text |
請莊部長。 |
| transcript.gazette[1].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[2].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[2].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:51+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[2].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[2].text |
等一下有提到與主計總處或行政院相關的，再請主計長和副秘書長上來。 |
| transcript.gazette[2].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[3].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[3].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:52+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[3].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[3].text |
委員好。 |
| transcript.gazette[3].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[4].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[4].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:53+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[4].end |
2024-12-30T10:55:54+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[4].text |
部長好。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[5].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[5].start |
2024-12-30T10:55:51.998000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[5].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[5].end |
2024-12-30T10:56:30.992000+08:00 |
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今天是12月30號，明天是12月31號，禮拜三就是元旦了，本來20號如果順利的話，證交稅當沖降稅，稅率減半就可以完成了，也就沒有什麼問題了，但到27號還是沒有通過，現在只剩下明天院會會開，但是我也不確定它會不會列入優先法案。 |
| transcript.gazette[5].quality |
0.822 |
| transcript.gazette[6].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[6].start |
2024-12-30T10:56:31.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[6].end |
2024-12-30T10:56:44.590000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[6].text |
因為我看了一下，優先法案的部分，國民黨好像想先推老人福利法、就業服務法，也沒有把證交稅當沖降稅稅率減半納進去，我請教你，如果都沒有納進去，明天沒有討論、沒辦法通過的話該怎麼辦？ |
| transcript.gazette[6].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[7].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[7].start |
2024-12-30T10:56:48.092000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[7].end |
2024-12-30T10:56:59.745000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[7].text |
如果沒有通過的話，就會造成券商就要用千分之三來課當沖，因為現行的法條就是到113年12月31日止。 |
| transcript.gazette[7].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[8].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[8].start |
2024-12-30T10:57:01.106000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[8].end |
2024-12-30T10:57:07.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[8].text |
那就是用千分之三來算，因為沒有再延3年的依據了，所以就用千分之三，也會衍生後續的問題。 |
| transcript.gazette[8].quality |
0.763 |
| transcript.gazette[9].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[9].start |
2024-12-30T10:57:07.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[9].end |
2024-12-30T10:57:30.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[9].text |
我問過金管會，它說券商現在都面臨到要調整系統跟加班的問題，包括人力成本、系統的調整成本都很棘手。 |
| transcript.gazette[9].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[10].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[10].start |
2024-12-30T10:57:30.934000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[10].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[10].end |
2024-12-30T10:57:39.101000+08:00 |
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券商代徵也不是免費，按照證交稅法第八條，「稽徵機關應按其代徵稅額給與千分之一之獎金」。 |
| transcript.gazette[10].quality |
0.526 |
| transcript.gazette[11].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[11].start |
2024-12-30T10:57:41.683000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[11].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[11].end |
2024-12-30T10:57:52.391000+08:00 |
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112年證交稅的實徵額是1,793億，然後代徵獎金的總額是1.91億，所以102家券商平均每家是187萬。 |
| transcript.gazette[11].quality |
0.794 |
| transcript.gazette[12].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[12].start |
2024-12-30T10:57:52.451000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[12].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:03.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[12].text |
請教一下，如果發生了空窗期，調整這些電腦系統的費用跟加班的人力費用誰要來處理、誰要來負責？ |
| transcript.gazette[12].quality |
0.951 |
| transcript.gazette[13].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[13].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:03.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[13].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:07.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[13].text |
券商、財政部還是金管會？ |
| transcript.gazette[13].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[14].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[14].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:07.025000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[14].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:07.285000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[14].text |
還是國民黨跟民眾黨？ |
| transcript.gazette[14].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[15].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[15].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:10.217000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[15].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:14.561000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[15].text |
這部分財政部所支付的就是它代徵的一個……我們委任它去做代徵。對。 |
| transcript.gazette[15].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[16].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[16].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:15.341000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[16].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:23.468000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[16].text |
所以就是按照實徵數以一定的比例給予，而且會有一個最高限，至於這些費用的部分，並不在財政部要支付給它的…… |
| transcript.gazette[16].quality |
0.766 |
| transcript.gazette[17].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[17].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:23.709000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[17].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:24.509000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[17].text |
誰要支付這個費用？ |
| transcript.gazette[17].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[18].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[18].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:25.710000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[18].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:27.252000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[18].text |
恐怕要券商自行負擔了。 |
| transcript.gazette[18].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[19].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[19].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:27.292000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[19].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:28.133000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[19].text |
券商自行負擔？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[19].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[20].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[20].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:28.733000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[20].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:39.242000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[20].text |
券商一定會覺得很倒楣，它巴不得希望趕快通過，但現在就有人力，又有系統要調整，所以接下來的這些成本都要由券商自行吸收就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[20].quality |
0.804 |
| transcript.gazette[21].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[21].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:40.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[21].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[21].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:43.505000+08:00 |
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要面臨這樣的一個問題，而且這整個會是比較複雜的。 |
| transcript.gazette[21].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[22].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[22].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:45.167000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[22].end |
2024-12-30T10:58:53.473000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[22].text |
再請教一下，如果明天有完成三讀的話，這樣來得及嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[22].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[23].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[23].start |
2024-12-30T10:58:55.388000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[23].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:03.432000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[23].text |
我們真的希望明天能夠順利地完成三讀，後續行政要跑的流程，我們財政部會盡力地來做。 |
| transcript.gazette[23].quality |
0.919 |
| transcript.gazette[24].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[24].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:03.632000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[24].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:06.693000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[24].text |
有辦法在一天之內完成嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[24].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[25].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[25].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:08.494000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[25].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:09.875000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[25].text |
因為接下來就是元旦了嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[25].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[26].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[26].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:11.295000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[26].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:14.417000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[26].text |
我們盡力做完這個部分，而且希望能夠儘快。 |
| transcript.gazette[26].quality |
0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[27].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[27].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:14.837000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[27].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:15.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[27].text |
是，我知道，但我的意思是說…… |
| transcript.gazette[27].quality |
0.455 |
| transcript.gazette[28].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[28].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:15.797000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[28].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:16.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[28].text |
1月2號就可以…… |
| transcript.gazette[28].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[29].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[29].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:16.878000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[29].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:25.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[29].text |
因為接下來就是元旦了，一天之內就能夠完成，然後1月2號開始繼續？ |
| transcript.gazette[29].quality |
0.963 |
| transcript.gazette[30].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[30].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:25.689000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[30].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:27.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[30].text |
1月2號會開盤，就可以運用了。對啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[30].quality |
0.538 |
| transcript.gazette[31].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[31].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:28.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[31].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:35.094000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[31].text |
但是交割的時間是在2天後，也就是1月6號交割，所以我們時間上一定會儘快把這個流程跑完。 |
| transcript.gazette[31].quality |
0.811 |
| transcript.gazette[32].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[32].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:35.114000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[32].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:42.918000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[32].text |
其實很重要的就是，要讓券商、股民、社會大眾可以知道後續，因為現在是處於一個不安定的狀態……是啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[32].quality |
0.927 |
| transcript.gazette[33].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[33].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:43.098000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[33].end |
2024-12-30T10:59:45.720000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[33].text |
我們真的很希望大院能夠儘快審議、三讀通過。 |
| transcript.gazette[33].quality |
0.895 |
| transcript.gazette[34].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[34].start |
2024-12-30T10:59:49+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[34].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:01.764000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[34].text |
我們也希望，我們一直把它列為優先的討論事項，但是在野黨沒有把這個放在前面，所以如果明天萬一順利有三讀通過的話，時間上是來得及的？ |
| transcript.gazette[34].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[35].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:02.185000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[35].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:10.367000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[35].text |
對，我們財政部會盡力地去做、努力地去做，因為我們希望讓股市的資本市場能是一個安定的狀態。 |
| transcript.gazette[35].quality |
0.875 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[36].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:11.248000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[36].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:15.150000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[36].text |
如果明天沒有辦法順利三讀呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[36].quality |
0.846 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[37].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:15.450000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[37].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:19.593000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[37].text |
要等到再隔幾天，5日（星期五）再三讀呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[37].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:20.653000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[38].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:26.057000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].text |
我想金管會已經說了，它作了最壞的打算、最好的準備，券商都必須做相關的調整。 |
| transcript.gazette[38].quality |
0.879 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:26.657000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[39].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:28.038000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].text |
所以這幾天交易的呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:28.838000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:30.019000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].text |
是一樣按照千分之三嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0.7 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:30.079000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[41].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:34.542000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].text |
如果沒有辦法趕在一定的時間完成，就只能按現行的法律來課徵…… |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0.778 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:35.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[42].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:35.422000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].text |
等到三讀之後…… |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[43].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:35.522000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[43].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:35.562000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].text |
113年就要…… |
| transcript.gazette[43].quality |
0.667 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[44].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:38.624000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[44].end |
2024-12-30T11:00:48.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].text |
所以有可能有幾天是千分之三，然後三讀通過之後，比如禮拜五通過之後，才用這個千分之一點五，會這樣嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0.886 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-12-30T11:00:48.129000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:01.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].text |
我們的修正條文倒是沒有……它的起日是在106年的4月幾號，然後到截止日，截止日目前是113年12月31日，接下來如果修法通過，就是到116年12月31日。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.788 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:01.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[46].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:02.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
我們希望這是連續沒有中斷的，本來就會碰到修法…… |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0.048 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:02.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:03.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
就會有空窗期呀！ |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:03.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:04.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
對，就會有空窗期，空窗期就變成可能是先徵千分之三，然後因為它沒有......整個條文通過以後，就變得沒有空窗期了，就會變成還有再退的問題。所以…… |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:04.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:05.836000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].text |
這個問題就是很複雜。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:04.037000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:04.738000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
所以說，這還涉及到退稅的問題就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:27.476000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:28.677000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
因為它不是…… |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
0.8 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[52].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:29.177000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:29.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
它是連續性的。 |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.5 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:29.377000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:31.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
它是連續性的，只是它…… |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:31.017000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:39.841000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
所以如果有可能的話，就是某幾天的交易日是千分之三，但是如果通過之後，就要退稅給這些人就對了？ |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0.881 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:40.401000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:48.405000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
對，可是就會變得很複雜，是不是會產生一些……因為是整個程式要做調整、修正，涉及到的事情就很多了，我們希望不要到這樣的程度。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0.717 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:49.506000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-12-30T11:01:57.891000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
我是希望能順利通過，但是看這個樣子，不一定能順利通過，所以你們真的要做最壞的打算跟準備了。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.976 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-12-30T11:01:58.492000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:04.115000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
是的，我想金管會跟證交所都在做這方面的準備工作，股民的安心很重要。 |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0.733 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:04.455000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:11.279000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
好，我請一下副秘書長跟主計長，部長可能也要留步，等一下都是連貫性的。 |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:14.702000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:15.762000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我先問一下副秘書長好了。 |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:20.267000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:29.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
12月20號通過的這3個法案，包含憲訴法、選罷法、財劃法，行政院都收到了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:29.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:31.395000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
目前只有收到1個，財劃法還沒有收到。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:32.135000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:33.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
目前收到的是什麼？ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.75 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:33.436000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:34.537000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
只有收到憲訴法。 |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.714 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:34.937000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:35.698000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
只有收到憲訴法？對。 |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:37.779000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:40.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
財劃法跟選罷法…… |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:40.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:41.221000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
還沒有收到。 |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:40.641000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:41.061000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
都還沒有收到？是。 |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:43.726000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-12-30T11:02:46.788000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
這還滿神奇的，我不知道國民黨在做什麼打算啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.9 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-12-30T11:02:48.069000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:02.159000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
理論上12月20號通過，理論上他們應該是一起送給行政院，我不知道為什麼會先送憲訴法，然後......因為我剛剛聽你講，我才知道你們還沒有收到財劃法。 |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
0.831 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-12-30T11:03:02.420000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:02.560000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
還沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-12-30T11:03:04.081000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:05.922000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
所以我就問了一下，選罷法你們也沒有收到？ |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.833 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-12-30T11:03:06.142000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:06.402000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
也沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-12-30T11:03:07.303000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:14.673000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我不知道在野黨在想什麼，不知道又要做什麼東西了，不知道在想什麼東西，我不知道，所以現在財劃法也還沒收到？ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.915 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-12-30T11:03:16.215000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:16.355000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
還沒有。 |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-12-30T11:03:17.437000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:20.180000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
如果財劃法都沒有收到的話，那我們就按照舊的財劃法處理嘍？ |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.962 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
李副秘書長國興 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-12-30T11:03:22.859000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-12-30T11:03:34.011000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
目前是這樣，我們在收到財劃法修正的公文以後，會按照憲法賦予的權利，在合法的秩序下尋求各種救濟的程序。 |
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| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:03:34.412000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:03:34.592000+08:00 |
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這我知道。 |
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| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:03:34.752000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:03:53.508000+08:00 |
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我要請教一下主計長，我在你的報告裡面有看到，基於錢隨事權移轉的原則，要搭配事權的檢討，修正相關的行政作用法，移撥合理業務給地方政府辦理。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:03:54.148000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:15.546000+08:00 |
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這部分你們有沒有想到就是說……因為我們本來一直在講，錢跟權要處理好，甚至地方制度法或是有相關的一些法律要修，有一些沒有修法的，有沒有在行政程序上面……因為我們少了3,753億，這是不是就給地方去處理，你們有沒有做好相關因應的準備？ |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:16.583000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:36.313000+08:00 |
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目前是還沒有，但是各部會都必須去檢討，譬如它對縣市補助的計畫是不是仍然維持、補助的比例是不是要縮減，這都必須看整個的檢討，而且整個行政院的施政方針到底是要減哪些？ |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:36.933000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:41.896000+08:00 |
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是不是全部都通案減28％，還是哪些不減、哪些要減？ |
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陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:41.896000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:42.896000+08:00 |
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因為哪些不減的話，其他相對就要多減，所以這個部分一定是這樣的，但是必須逐案去討論，要針對整個行政院的施政方針，配合討論將來是要怎麼樣去減，所以這個部分涉及到這種問題。 |
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李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:04:42.456000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:19.684000+08:00 |
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我認為你們要趕快去做這個處理，因為國民黨就是……反正就這樣推出去了，就是少了這3,753億，然後支出、歲出的部分，大概平均會降28％，28％中你說有國防、有財政、有交通，都會少，你們就是要去做調整。 |
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0.885 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:20.124000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:26.425000+08:00 |
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有些一定是超過28％，有些我們認為很重要的，比如說國防不能再刪了，就可能會沒辦法刪。 |
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0.944 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:26.425000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:30.286000+08:00 |
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但是沒有辦法刪國防，其他的一定會相對減少很多嘛！ |
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0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:30.606000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:30.846000+08:00 |
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這是第一個。 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:31.626000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:39.448000+08:00 |
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第二個就是，你們跟原來的地方政府還有計畫型的補助款，有可能給的比例也會做調整。 |
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0.889 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:40.108000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:54.271000+08:00 |
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因為我看到有臺南市的立委講，有可能財劃法通過之後會得不償失，雖然多了統籌分配款，但是有可能計畫型的補助就會變零或減少，會不會發生這種情況？ |
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0.953 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:54.271000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:55.892000+08:00 |
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就是計畫型的補助款會再做調整？ |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.929 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:05:57.196000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:00.699000+08:00 |
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調整是一定會，但是怎麼調整還是看部會的策略。 |
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0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:01.399000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:13.287000+08:00 |
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第二個就是，其實像計畫型補助是六都偏多，直轄市的六都比較多，六都受這個部分的影響會比較大，如果說要做調整的話。 |
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0.84 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:13.667000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:26.673000+08:00 |
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另外也說明一下，前瞻計畫裡面其實有四千多億都已經核定但是還沒有編列預算的部分，這個部分軌道建設就占二千七百多億，這勢必也一定會受到影響。 |
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0.844 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-12-30T11:06:26.673000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:27.153000+08:00 |
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以上說明。 |
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| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-12-30T11:06:27.754000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:47.078000+08:00 |
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就是說，除了已經從中央挖走的3,753億之外，現在國民黨還要通過老人福利法，就所得稅級距未達20％的，他們現在大概有輿論壓力，再修正是變成5％，如果這樣下去的話，又是在挖中央的錢啊！是。 |
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0.896 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-12-30T11:06:47.078000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:48.078000+08:00 |
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那你要怎麼去預防？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-12-30T11:06:48.078000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:49.078000+08:00 |
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你們有沒有算過，20％或5％中央大概又要多出多少錢？ |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
陳主計長淑姿 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:47.769000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:06:51.350000+08:00 |
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如果這個部分要中央增加負擔，這個就是依法律而來的義務，有了這個部分，其他部會要刪減的金額又要往上提升。是啊！ |
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0.735 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-12-30T11:07:07.557000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:21.606000+08:00 |
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我再提醒，老人福利法只是其中一個案子，有可能還有其他的錢坑法案，就是從中央挖了錢，但是又多了其他的錢坑法案，又要你中央出錢，那你中央的錢要從哪裡來？ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.851 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-12-30T11:07:21.606000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:21.726000+08:00 |
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部長，要舉債嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-12-30T11:07:21.726000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:23.787000+08:00 |
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舉債的話，我們公共債務法有債務上限的規定，不是要舉債就舉債，而且中央必須要維持一定的財政韌性以因應國內外經濟情勢的變化。 |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.321 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-12-30T11:07:31.401000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:35.263000+08:00 |
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其實我有跟你討論過，如果把統籌分配款算進去，再加上前瞻基礎建設的特別預算，其實你已經沒有錢可以再去舉債了，就已經會超過15％的上限了啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
0.869 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-12-30T11:07:35.263000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:41.505667+08:00 |
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公共債務法都有債限的規定，在流量的部分…… |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:41.505667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:47.748333+08:00 |
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所以舉債不可行嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-12-30T11:07:47.748333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:53.991000+08:00 |
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舉債其實對國家整體的……我們覺得舉債必須控管，一定要控管我們的債務，財政韌性是大家所重視的。對啊！ |
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0.023 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
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2024-12-30T11:07:53.991000+08:00 |
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2024-12-30T11:08:28.211000+08:00 |
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舉債不可行，只剩下歲出的部分可做調整、可以刪除了，這個是全臺灣人民要共同承擔的，但是相關的作用法等法案和法條，該修正的你們要趕快先去處理，你們可能要加班去處理了，這個年應該不是很好過了，謝謝。 |
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0.908 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
李委員坤城 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-12-30T11:08:28.711000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-12-30T11:08:29.853857+08:00 |
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謝謝主席。 |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
莊部長翠雲 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2024-12-30T11:08:30.153857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2024-12-30T11:08:31.296714+08:00 |
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謝謝委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2024-12-30T11:08:31.596714+08:00 |
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1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2024-12-30T11:08:33.596714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
謝謝李坤城委員。 |
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| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2024-12-30T11:08:33.896714+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-30T11:08:36.753857+08:00 |
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接著我們請李彥秀委員。 |
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