| IVOD_ID |
15846 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15846 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-24 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
黨團協商-2024042203 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
黨團協商 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
19 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
經濟委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院朝野黨團協商 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-24T11:29:59+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-24T12:20:30+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:50:31 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-04-24T12:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院朝野黨團協商（事由：國民黨黨團建請院會作成決議：本院國民黨黨團，為避免物價因電價調漲，民生痛苦指數飆升，因此反對台電公司調漲電價，建請院會作成決議：「立即停止調漲電價，並要求行政院責成相關部會即刻檢討現行能源政策並提出因應對策與配套措施，以兼顧人民生計、維持供電穩定及台電公司之正常營運。」是否有當？請公決案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:29:59 - 12:20:30 |
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好 那麼我們還是準時開始其他的黨團助理你們再聯繫報告 我們協商會我們現在協商國民黨黨團提案為避免物價因電價調漲．民生痛苦指數飆升．因此反對台電公司調漲電價 |
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本案經過113年3月29日立法院第十一屆 |
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第一會期第七次的院會決議交付黨團協商並由國民黨黨團負責召集協商協商會亦請各黨團指派代表參加我們今天出席的協商代表首先是經濟部的曾文森政務司長謝謝能源署的吳務署長謝謝 |
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經濟部國運會管理師林簡任記政臺電公司副總副總理王總經理 |
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有關於電價停止調漲的提案我想說代表行政機關向立法院做說明首先有關第一點就是我們現在的電價調整機制的來源是怎麼來的 |
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實際上他是立法院在2015年的1月20號有參與那個決議通過就是電價費率的計算公司的修訂那他要設置電價費率審議會那他主要是一年審兩次這些基本的一些原則都在2015年立法院的決議通過 |
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那到2017年的時候就是整個電價在電業法修訂的時候電價的這個審議的規範入法那入法以後呢在2017年1月26號已經正式公告那後來在同年 |
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經濟部的能源局就頒布了這一個電價審議的公式讓這一個電價審議能夠正式的法制化那在這一個電價審議裡面當然他考慮到的是一年檢討兩次電價同時要考慮節能減碳照顧民生等等原則 |
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這個辦理電價審議這些審議委員的組成也包含民間單位包含公商團體消費者代表等等我們是依照這樣子的一個機制在運作這一次在有關於整個電價審議的狀況主要的考慮的情形是這樣事實上從2022年開始整個國際的能源價格就開始大漲 |
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我們其實在照顧民生穩定物價就是依照電價公司所列舉的這些精神下面其實是採取一個緩漲的狀況那台電公司在2022年開始整個公司的購電的燃料成本就已經超過6000億元跟之前超過3000億元的燃料支出相比是成長了一倍 |
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為了要因應這一波的漲勢事實上全世界許多的國家因為大部分國家的電力公司是人民營的他們的電價都漲得非常的快而且漲得很早尤其是像法國、韓國這一些在2020、2023年它的工業電價累積調幅已經分別高達160%跟87%這是法國跟韓國 |
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那以跟台灣相比台灣其實我們的電價調整的速度相對來講比較和緩那這三年來我們在住宅類的累積漲幅大概是7.1%那電價小電價的漲幅大概是12.2% |
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工業用電漲44.7%整體來講就是大院比較關心的就是有關於一般的民生跟物價相關的這些電費的漲幅事實上並不是平均電價加總起來的30%那只有7.1%跟12.2%所以這個是我們採取考慮國內整體的狀況所採取的電價調整的方式 |
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那要跟委員報告就好好 謝謝我們次長的說明我想你剛剛訴說的都是我們現在的樣態那整個機制當然我們依法但是我們也了解到整個這個 |
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民生的議題 因為國家是一整體性的所以在政府部門一定要支持台電公司所以我們從行政院這邊要求也撥補1500億、1000億過來這個目的就是要大家共體實踐所以在這邊我要謝謝次長的說明 |
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那接下來呢這個我們現在進行協商那在現場我們剛剛到的委員有黃孟楷委員謝謝我們的書記長還有我們的黃珊珊委員謝謝來我們有沒有哪一位委員是 |
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謝謝主席今天召開這樣的一個協商我想今天看起來民進黨團是沒有要出席那台電以及我們經濟部次長台電總經理我想利用這個機會再次強調台電基層的公務同仁我們每一個我相信在這一個會議室裡面每一個人都很支持我們台電基層的公務人員為什麼因為他們最辛苦我們比誰都了解 |
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但是如果說錯誤的能源政策不改變的話再累死所有基層的公務人員也無濟於事為什麼過去十年沒有看到那麼多的小動物那麼的活躍為什麼這十年小動物頻繁 |
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再者經濟部長剛剛在經濟委員會的時候特別提到我剛剛也質詢他我就說你一直講說現在要減碳是趨勢但排碳大戶有哪一些前十名裡面台電就是排碳大戶所以我們現在要看到的是國家能源政策應該要往正確的方向那以及現在的電價調漲帶動的是整體的物價上漲 |
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所以物價上漲、通貨膨脹其實受害的還是全民所以我們能源政策應該要去做改變也因此這是為什麼我們提出今天相關的一個動漲的部分那也兼顧人民的生計跟維持供電的穩定 |
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本席這邊討論完我想今天可能沒有辦法做實際的一個協商所以我們把我們的立場說明清楚我們還是再一次呼籲台電的所有員工的辛苦我們都知道但我們更希望的是執政黨應該要好好的把正確的能源政策給改變讓國家能夠永續發展以上 謝謝好 謝謝洪孟愷的委員那現在我們還有鄭天才委員到了我們的會場 謝謝來 那其他委員還沒有要發言 |
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來 我們黃珊珊委員 謝謝 |
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好的 朝野還有各位同仁以及行政部門我想今天這個協商臺灣民眾黨的立場其實非常的清楚因為我們明天也要召集相關提案的協商那同樣臺灣民眾黨希望的是針對經濟部宣布在四月起工商、民生用電全面漲價的部分要阻止台電擴大虧損但是在蔡政府執政七年以來電價已經調漲過三次 |
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那漲幅也高達了23%那4月電價再調漲11%那這當然一定會造成物價百物齊漲衝擊百工百業那目前蔡政府提出不得不漲的理由其實某個程度是錯誤的能源政策要求人民來買單一手向人民的口袋要求漲電價然後轉手再向民間電廠高額的購買 |
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購入綠電：導致台電目前的財務黑洞持續擴大：營運的效率備受質疑：發電、儲電、配電跟電網韌性不足的問題：到現在也沒有進行改善：也就是我們一直在填補它的虧損：但是它應該要做的檢討：或進一步的改善：目前為止並沒有看到新的做法 |
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錯誤的政策是比貪污更可怕我們希望至少在院會要作成決議要求經濟部要針對臺灣整體能源政策以及電價的費率結構還有台電相關各項支出以及它的尊潔措施要向經濟委員會提出全面性的檢討報告 |
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這個是台灣民眾黨的部分我們希望說經過經濟委員會的委員會的審議通過以前應該電價還漲而不是單純的就漲跟不漲而是台電必須要提出他們對於整體能源政策、電價費率結構還有各項支出以及遵截措施必須要提出檢討報告否則這個之前我們希望能夠全面還漲以上 |
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非常感謝黃珊珊委員接下來我們現場還有謝一鋒委員有沒有其他委員要發言謝一鋒委員有沒有要發言 |
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那我要謝謝大家因為今天民進黨委員沒有到那我要再次重申因為在去年的時候的九月份也是沒有漲價我們當然知道電價審議委員會一年兩次 |
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但是我們也不要淪為政治的話術說因為去年要選舉所以它不漲價我們不希望如此我們真的非常希望能夠照顧民生那麼台電公司從韌性電網等以及最重要的能源政策到底要怎麼做 |
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就正如剛剛委員所說的錯誤的決策比貪污更嚴重那要怎麼樣去將這個能源的政策去思考我相信這也是未來要接任的這個賴準總統必須要 |
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實際上去面對的問題 |