| IVOD_ID |
158365 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158365 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-23T10:35:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-23T10:46:46+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:24 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/22e1e1eefcdc7a98ceb3bbf79ef2f871c24503a7538def0615d69c0b6ad2f3db0bb70b5dcafacf595ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃珊珊 |
| 委員發言時間 |
10:35:22 - 10:46:46 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表演規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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陳沐主委還有趙旺金獨董事長蘇希委員好 |
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兩位好我想最近我們最關心的就是不肖的融資租賃公司現在已經升級到勾結詐騙集團這件事情已經不是秘密最近發生的兩位不知道知不知道已經有台版的地面師地面師用詐騙集團先騙了錢再叫被害人去向融資借貸公司貸款設定抵押權 |
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最高的被騙了1600萬兩年之內合作詐騙了20多個民眾總金額高達3億所以董事長你們銀行公會答應說12月要出爐的專法研議案出來了沒 |
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報告委員這個進度上應該還沒有因為我們是委外委託外界上次11月的時候你說12月中現在12月底了應該要提出一個期中報告了期中報告出來了應該要快提出來所以我要再追一下我要問的是時間表我已經等你們一年了所以上次11月說12月中現在12月底那請問什麼時候會出來 |
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月底可不可以出來?一月可不可以出來?二月可不可以出來?時間表就好我希望能夠在12月底之前至少要交一個版本出來如果銀行公會你們一直 |
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說在銀行工會研究嘛那銀行工會出來以後你打算什麼時候針對融資公司的管理做相關的處理因為之前在立專法之前我知道你們有一些做法但是這個專法案我也一樣我需要時間表 |
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她的報告出來你多久可以做一個政策性的處理是因為專法的一個研究我們還沒有看到一個成果出來就像委員剛剛說的我們先用金融銀紙公司法立法院曾經都有過版本我們也提了版本其他的委員也提了版本大家都提了版本我相信有版本可以參考不用那麼不用重新來過好嗎是我只需要知道你的時間表沒有時間表 |
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金管會沒有時間表就是年底這個時候我們還是要等先等這個報告出來我只需要你多少時間啊好他12月底出來你1月份給我一個報告你大概要多少時間表好嗎是謝謝第二個融資公司融資注定要納入金融消費者保護法是之前金管會所說的現在進度怎麼樣還是你們又被摸頭了 |
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什麼時候把融資租賃公司至少上市櫃的部分納入金融消費者保護法有這麼難回答嗎? |
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是,我們預計,我們預計希望是在明年中明年中?又要半年?呃,這個其實因為我們司法出來,還要預告公聽,所以這個在將公聽會,立院這邊公聽會其實...520的時候從520開始,我們已經等了半年了,你現在還要在公聽會,還要再半年,我再問一次 |
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把資本額達到一定規模以上的上市櫃融資注定公司納入金融消費者保護法有這麼難嗎?報告委員那個30年的問題我們520上來的時候其實根本沒有解決方案是,我們後來提出這個解決方案我們預計明年如果一切的順利的話所以你的專法可能半年以後了是嗎? |
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我們現在目前為止的租賃公會也有一個自律公約其實根據統計數字有自律公約就不會有這種事了 |
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地面師跑到臺灣來兩年內配了20多人3億元設定抵押權欸這更嚴重欸不是把他錢騙走欸還讓他去負債欸副主委啊我知道主委很想做我也知道你很想做我希望盡快做時間表我只需要時間表你可以不用現在回答我一個月內給我時間表三個月五個月一年都可以否則你十年也可以講出來 |
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時間暫停 |
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公股銀行有沒有銀行轉投資融資租賃業沒有沒有嗎那我怎麼猜在相關的租賃單公會裡面看到臺慶、中小慶、益銀、華南銀、華南金都有他們是有授信給他們授信給他們授信所以也是有但是沒有不是投資好那就是授信給他們他們也算是融資租賃的會員之一 |
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這些公股銀行當然很受我們控制我們也希望成為所謂剛剛講前面應該納管的這些人的示範這些示範總會先做嘛因為金管會最近有一個新的最近有一個函嘛那函他有就是逐步納管嘛那是相關融資租賃公司所以財政部也麻煩公股銀行要當 |
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我上次在3月份質詢的就是所謂的簡訊桿碼 |
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短碼的部分公股銀行希望能夠納入111短碼平台希望他有自己的短碼才不會讓民眾收到假的簡訊所以兆豐銀行加入了銀行工會裡面有多少人加入目前好像據我所了解大概只有兆豐加入而已所以來金管會 |
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兆豐銀行加入了對兆豐已經推出來了那我們是不是所有的銀行業者應該鼓勵他們加入啊是我們都有在這個公會啊其他地方都有鼓勵大家加入反正一樣公股銀行先做可以嗎財政部 |
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短碼平臺兆豐銀行已經加入了是,所有公股銀行都要加入,可以嗎?已經在做了好,什麼時候會做完?不知道一直都在做短碼平臺短碼平臺,對來是不是請這個董事長來做說明全部的銀行只有兆豐銀行做啦財政部的公股銀行沒有權做啦來,董事長請說 |
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報告委員因為這牽涉到整個費用的問題我知道所以大家一起去談嘛對所以我是希望用銀行公會方式跟三大電信公司我們談一個更好的一個deal很好所以董事長我也需要的是你的時間表是一個月之內給我報告你要怎麼做什麼時候會做到好嗎好要有計畫嘛要有時程好時間暫停我想請101的賈董事長好請賈董事長還有證交所 |
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好,證交所和吳董事長謝謝是董事長我想喔我也好剛剛講都在講很多的詐騙101是臺灣重要的金融中心而且也是非常重要的金融指標但是曾經發生過從2009年開始就有發生過 |
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相關的詐騙集團因為設置在101大樓然後讓投資人覺得哇這公司好大喔好氣派喔所以投資了一大堆錢被騙我想問一下目前為止證交所跟兆豐金都是投資人主要的董事股東所以我們對於所謂的租客在101大樓我們有沒有什麼審查機制或者是我們對租客的有什麼條件 |
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這個部分委員我跟您報告其實我基本上也差一點變成受害者在2009年的時候確實有這樣子的公司來approach我們那我們現在的機制呢其實我們真的會很認真的審查這家公司的財務的狀況有個審查會還是什麼有什麼機制 |
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我們在整個背後的法務在整個的金融的機制而且現在目前進駐我們的單位全部都是國際大公司 |
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新一路5段7號地址有447筆公司登記同樣的將近有500筆還有包括分公司國際的企業我們都非常歡迎但是一樣我們還是希望有一個機制不要再發生2009年開始當時的復通證券凱盛財務公司發生問題之後那時候就說有機制 |
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2018年又發生了富南市傳銷的問題2020年又發生了斬頭投資的詐騙案所以有機制還是不斷的發生現在是2024年我今天要說的是董事長來接任了我們就希望101不要在以後還會再發生類似的問題因為放在101就會騙到人 |
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是,我這個我了解投資人看到他公司登記在101就認為他是國際大企業這才是問題報告,報告委員在這個部分呢我上任的時候我已經請集合清查出所有登記在我們101下面的公司是否為確實的公司也給一下我們財委會你剛剛所說的你們查核的機制跟相關的查核的狀況如果有問題的 |
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黃珊珊 |
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好 謝謝珊珊委員 謝謝接下來請李昆城委員發言 |