IVOD_ID |
158362 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158362 |
日期 |
2024-12-23 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-12 |
會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
12 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2024-12-23T09:58:04+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-12-23T10:09:47+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:11:43 |
支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/22e1e1eefcdc7a9880ea7f93910ab462c24503a7538def0615d69c0b6ad2f3db8ee3f4945d85144e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
郭國文 |
委員發言時間 |
09:58:04 - 10:09:47 |
會議時間 |
2024-12-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議(事由:邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表演規劃」進行專題報告,並備質詢。) |
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主席,謝謝,有請嘉曉傑董事長跟兆豐金的董董好,請嘉曉傑董事長跟董董事長 |
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委員好 董事長好 董事長您稍微休息一下我先問賈董一下賈董主持人好 委員好你知道你現在的這個股東當中伊藤忠有打算要出脫他的持股嗎我知道那你知道未來的動向是如何嗎 |
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目前不太確切知道這個東西一直傳聞要撤資因為伊藤忠來所佔的這個股份高達32%他影響到的是未來到底是101呢是屬於關股主導還是屬於這個民股主導那過民轉工 |
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總是有一個過程我這裡應該知道這件事情如果今天是民股主導的話或許你將來就不用跑立法院了不是嗎?今天如果假設是關股主導的話您就要常常在這邊出現不是嗎?我沒關係欸不管我要不要跑立法院都可以大空大浪就見慣了 |
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但是我覺得比較重要的一點應該是我們臺灣是要讓外資覺得我們是一個自由經濟我們是可以一個自由交易的國家一個健康的金融環境我覺得這個會非常的重要 |
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有關於資本市場的事情你不用太過擔心就我知道伊藤忠已經有讓5%給稀鬆臺灣了然後現階段來說的話范工股的話大概掌握大概有幾%你知道嗎51%52%然後另外一部分有一個關鍵的地方是在哪裡呢 |
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是在於中間的部分有一個所謂的中聯信託的部分是對中央存保貸款中央存保貸款就看他的股份有沒有持續的出脫他如果一樣持續的出脫來處分他以前的不良資產的一個負擔的話那可能關股的變化就有所影響 |
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其實我了解得非常的深入 |
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不然我不會在上個禮拜的時候呢我就快閃日本兩天一夜十四個小時快閃所以在整個的細節的掌控上面呢我是為董事長其實快閃日本是去找一團周嗎當然是啊那狀況怎麼樣呢你要說你剛剛都不知道你也跑了一趟日本怎麼會都不知道呢 |
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兆豐金服務委員 |
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我希望在你任內不是做到臺北101而應該做到臺灣101為什麼 |
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因為剛剛來說的話你所對口的對象是在停留在蔣萬安市長的情況你根本忘記的是財政部長的邀請或行政院長的邀請所以說我為什麼一開始跟你講說那關股的比例是什麼這代表它是屬於國家層級不是一個市府層級也就是說它不是一個臺北101它應該是臺灣1101你有沒有認同 |
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我認同,我非常認同啊。好,如果說你都認同的話,就符合你在網頁上的slogan,要把整個臺灣帶向全世界,對不對?所以說這種情況底下,如何把臺北101證明變臺灣101,或定位成臺灣101,我認為是賈董你的任務吧? |
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我的任務真的是這樣子,所以我們的跨年煙火呢,我們就是Team Taiwan Champion,我們就是要把台灣是世界冠軍的這件事情呢,昭告全天下,昭告全世界,是的,謝謝。所以以後呢,就不是台北101,以後就是台灣101,有沒有認同?要改名嗎?不是改名啊,這是通稱啊! |
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兆豐金控及臺北金融大樓股 |
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不管是臺北或臺灣當然能夠臺灣是更好不過101是最重要的101當然是最重要沒有101前面都沒有但是臺灣跟臺北定位不一樣 董董如果是臺灣的話會更好所以我是最後是說那個董董你就上來了因為你是公股的部分到底接下來101是董事長制跟這個總經理制就你的理解是怎麼樣以你最大的股東來說 |
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我覺得我們都是官派的董事長所以基本上就是說我們不是真正掌握股權的董事長所以其實應該還是一個董事長制還是以董事長制為主我自己的定位是說我們是財政部所派過來專業經理人所以至少他是一個執行長所以說1011應該是董事長制對不對你的認知上我覺得所有官派的應該都是這樣子 |
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佳董責任 |
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我瞭解啊 |
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謝謝我們一定會朝這個目標前進那賈董請回我接下來問一下那個請那個阮次跟那個上台一下那請董董留下來一下董董我看這個題目改天再問你我時間才有限你請回好了董董好那個阮次剛剛我覺得必須要回應一下幾個問題必須說為什麼沒有討論的原因是怎麼樣6612版本我們或許知道可是3753的版本你知道嗎不知道 |
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不是嗎?是。 |
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再加上說所謂的中央啊你的寫法中央會變錢不夠地方錢太多那我就問你啊中央錢不夠的話地方錢太多那他說中央每一年都很有錢我問你我看一個圖表這幾年包括證交稅、中小稅、營業稅跟營所稅是景氣財吧 |
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是這幾年景氣比較好對不對對那如果萬一明年景氣比較不好的時候你還有所謂距離剩餘三千億、四千億、五千億嗎還有可能嗎所以這個它是有很大的變動性所以它很大的變動性你也要講嘛我外面就要誤導說每年我們有稅基益率多少我再請一下陳副主委上來一下 |
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我外面看到的所謂的景氣的循環從2000年以來陳副主任你知道整個景氣的循環平均大概多少個月大概11...13個月大概41.2個月41.2個月就超過3年你覺得我們股市已經那個多頭已經幾年了3年多了啦 |
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所以說依照這個緊述循環齁老實講一定百阿百阿你知道嗎已經北風尾了捏所以我要讓財政部知道在整個政策辯護的過程當中聯同金管會的整個緊述循環你清楚接下來你的預測如果說接下來如果還不是多頭市場的話我們證交稅不能扣到那麼多錢的話還有這麼多稅金因為我請阮次昌來回答一下 |
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跟委員報告的確這幾年因為我們的經濟狀況不錯那國內外的景氣也算是平穩那沒有的時候怎麼辦所以這幾年的確證交稅舉債嗎但是我是覺得經濟總是會有循環就像剛才委員提的將來就很難保證說會不會繼續再有這麼好的成績 |
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對,所以我是覺得我剛才講的是說稅收只是我們總預算的一部分但是我們在看整個稅收、整個裁員的時候是看總預算跟證明總的問題是說你中央不夠你要不要舉債我問你第一個問題第一個是這個而且另外他還有一個一般補助款他還把你框在那邊對不對又不能動嘛 |
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據我了解現在有一些就是單純就是我們中央給他的錢給地方的錢就有一些超過他的稅出對嘛 |
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所以我是說我們很擔心說這樣會影響到財政紀律的問題法律上是說不能變動但是執行成效不佳的時候你也不能讓它浪費不是嗎是所以說也沒有說一定要匡列不能比前年一年度少你預算可以編但是執行不一定要執行到嘛 |
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這也是我們現在在調度的產生很大的問題你要面對這個問題不能從一般的補助款統籌分配款已經變弄成這樣子了剩下就是計畫型補助所以說還有計畫型補助跟一般補助款的彈性的運用空間有這個可能性那面對這個可能性的話國家財政才有救你剛剛講很好 |
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財政收支方法是國家的根本大法不是哪一黨執政都不能這樣亂搞啊你搞到後來就是禍國殃民啊你知道嗎而且一修了以後就很難再動它 |
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一修很難帶動他那我就問你嘛如果說他的修法之後至愛難情的時候那財政部有沒有提出修法的可能性這一部分我跟委員報告我們現在是會同這個主席總書在盤點他的影響跟他未來可能的因應措施那這一部分我們會提供給相關的決策單位來做參考做決策所以說不排除再修法是吧 |
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主席 |