| IVOD_ID |
158361 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158361 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-23T09:43:28+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-23T09:57:57+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:14:29 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/22e1e1eefcdc7a98fc34572d3f2e2eccc24503a7538def0615d69c0b6ad2f3db2eceb36a5f366b8d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:43:28 - 09:57:57 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表演規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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謝謝主席以及各位先進有請兆豐的董董事長以及101的賈董事長等會長官請先請教兆豐的董董事長你那今年應該獲利創新高嗎是吧 |
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還好報告委員還好不是還好是創新高嗎沒有沒有沒有比去年更好啦沒有比去年更因為我們在美國的CRE那一部分我們受的受傷蠻嚴重的虧了一些啦對但是如果美國不算應該創新高啦對吧我們打消待殺蠻多美國那一部分如果不算因為上一次的問題法孫的問題如果沒有的話就創新高我現在重點在於年終獎金你要給多少 |
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報告委員我們現在還在核算不過應該不會比去年平均多少去年多少去年去年大概可以到加加大概七八個月啦一般七八個月喔對啊今年今年不會比去年差大我們希望能夠維持同樣的幅度所以可以上看八個月這就可以成立吧希望希望上看八個月希望可以達到目標啊明年加薪的幅度勒 |
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報告委員3%3%因為我們上次你說上次在這裡你說4%咧沒有沒有沒有3%而已我聽錯了喔沒有我們另外還有每一年加薪升級啦 |
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每一年我們還有加薪晉級那部分大概在1點多%所以那是自然每一年不管有沒有分裂每一年的薪工價價多少?薪工價價多少?3%啊3%?對兆豐加薪叫你賺錢跟政府一樣浪費啊浪費啊報告委員我們獎金可以多發但是薪水我們就比照公司那邊好我們請教我們的前董事長啊 |
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主席好、委員好你今年比去年賺錢吧!什麼?什麼?今年比去年賺錢吧!賺錢是!我們的營業額增加了大概7點多%7點多%?臨終獎金怎麼樣? |
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我們的年終獎金其實是一個很不錯的,對於員工的福利是一個很不錯的數字。可是這個數字我們好像沒有辦法公開。因為我要報告董事會啊,董事會沒有要我公開,我不能公開。 |
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金融比去年好,所以當然獎金也比去年多啊 |
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加薪幅度啊,我覺得我的答案跟董董事長一樣,就是呢,不是不是,我們呢,就是會按照比例,然後我們還有各方面的考級,我們還有評級 |
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你現在不是只有過去的身份,你現在是某種程度是官員的啦,類官員喔,類似官員我幫你算了你去年的EPS1.15啦,你今年有說比去年好,就是好歹1.25、1.3,你才是這樣好一點喔,對不對? |
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阿所以今年當然當然要要漲金要多一點阿好謝謝委員一直幫助大家我們臺北101的同事應該會很愛你真的不是你說你你就跟我在這裡具體承諾說好我就這樣做 |
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我沒有辦法承諾我要跟董事會做報告那如果董事會都同意我們當然是OK啊你董事長你可以講說我希望這樣最後經過董事會的同意這樣就可以啊是是是但是我們今年你到底心目中有沒有準備辦法多少啦 |
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我心目中已經有確切的數字了真的而且我們12月18號開董事會的時候我們在今年的所有的這個該發的獎金都已經確認了確認的月數確實都確認好了那個不是什麼機密我們說來這裡來立法院這裡基本上是如實作答這憲法規定的要講實話沒什麼機密這沒什麼機密的而且陪你宣傳啊 |
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總經理,我確認,我們可以講出實際的數字嗎?當然可以啊,為什麼不能講,奇怪。不行,不行,不能講。因為這真的董事會沒有要我講,我不能講,抱歉。還是我之後補資料給你。好吧,你補資料給我。你今年的營火跟水銅不一樣。我們是秘密薪資。 |
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要保密協議。 |
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委員我收到我會很努力的把數字在經營方面的數字獲得所以我剛剛講的1.3是沒有問題的那去年跟蔣萬安今年除了蔣萬安有沒有其他人同工 |
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352.539 |
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財政部長是你的長官耶 |
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有一個啊當然每個人看法不一樣啦你跟你老公在怎麼恩愛啊用那個看板弄一個有決同心啦加總市長不宜啦 |
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397.29 |
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421.651 |
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這個不宜啦因為你們怎麼秀恩愛在旁邊的地方這是一個公共的平台你用那個的話人家就會講公器私用啦雖然你不認為這樣子可是你說你捐錢就可以不錯啦話不是這樣講董事長你現在等於是某種程度你是官員你的作風舉止要跟你過去的身份是不一樣的要比較嚴謹OK |
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422.972 |
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428.338 |
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好,了解了解了解好了,你們兩位請回吧請來財政部的市長來好,謝謝 |
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448.856 |
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賈董事長 要正向的回答委員對你的一個提問來 委員好來 次長你這個人剛才回答的時候就青菜公布了完全政治語言啊什麼就沒有討論財劃法從今年的5月20號第一次審查審查會議6次 |
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454.682 |
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479.211 |
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崩堤位兩次、茶會卸商一次、委員發言168次還有巡打總共經歷了38小時48分鐘什麼為什麼沒有討論呢你不能這個變成通靈政治化啊這個卵池長你講這個話我鄙視你啊我瞧不起你啊政治措施在這裡啊請問你有沒有巡打?有沒有巡打? |
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480.242 |
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487.989 |
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有沒有巡打?有巡打,怎麼沒有討論呢?當然有討論,怎麼沒有呢?處理的過程,審查會六次,怎麼沒有?怎麼會這樣子呢?另外,有時間不多,我就挑重點來講啦,你們來看啊,來,你們發大新聞來啊 |
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503.904 |
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513.553 |
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完全政治化的新聞稿說 哦 竟然會再播出去我們114年是你們寫的哦 財政部寫的哦114年給地方1.15兆 如果再發出去3753會影響經濟發展 影響社會福利 影響官方安全 真鬼哦 |
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523.342 |
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535.568 |
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你們審計部的報告,審計部的報告,你聽我講,2021年稅金剩餘喔,你開了就完了,2979億,2022年4993億,2023年2791億,你們根本就是有3千億到5千億根本花都花不完,怎麼會影響你的政府,笑死人啦,這個就政治語言,隨便講講啦 |
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我跟委員報告我是覺得財化法是這樣啦是說不管誰執政這是一個根本大法我現在跟地方都理性討論從我們的溝通但是現在通過的我們現在意識說 |
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581.301 |
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在討論過程當中,執政黨的相關委員的發言都沒有採納。第二個問題就是說,目前對地方的財政資源已經達到一兆多了。 |
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605.84 |
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所以你現在什麼事情都沒有影響你就發3000多億給地方政府有什麼問題呢照樣做什麼意思講影響國防最主要影響什麼國防你還剩3000億到5000億你每年剩3000億到5000億那個錢給地方政府有什麼不對 |
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635.07 |
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我跟委員報告我是覺得財化不是不能夠修正但是我是說大家一定要充分討論你講這個話都聽不懂啊卵巿長啊你講話都聽不懂啊我一直跟你講你都沒有回答我你每年剩三千里到五千里那個錢給地方政府有什麼不對有什麼問題有什麼問題 |
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638.451 |
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645.953 |
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如果再增加三千七百五十三億,再加上金融大樓條文一般賭注款又不能減少：賴士葆 |
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662.557 |
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689.558 |
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我們看六都啊我們只要看兩個一個統籌社款一個補助收入補助包括一般補助跟中央補助第一名高雄市第二名新北市第三名台北市台北市沒有拿最多啦第三名113年台北市第四名114年預算案台北市第五名啦 |
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693.58 |
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臺北市給他416億臺北市就是這樣 |
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731.833 |
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他們跟華老爸講完了,那個郭文營稍微修理了一下,這個很重要。臺北市增加416億,總共就是只有1277億。要輸高雄是不是輸天天天的?高雄還是第一,整個用都是第一,第一,它不是第一就是第二,你再加上去還是第一。 |
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737.515 |
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沒有啦,我覺得這個數字是可以說話。我數字在這裡,我數字在這裡什麼叫沒有?我數字在這裡,數字在這裡,所以那個,那個次長啊,你今天的回答啊, |
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750.078 |
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767.162 |
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不知所云﹚完全不進入狀況﹚心虛啊社長﹚不會啦﹚你今天來這裡啊﹚不怕你說什麼這樣啦﹚不會啦﹚我跟你講數字我跟你講數字統籌分配稅款要加補助款這個才是全部的臺北市112年第3名、112年第4名、112年第5名再加統籌分配稅款臺北市遠入後 |
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779.705 |
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782.931 |
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我最後一句話我最後一句話我最後一句話 |
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794.264 |
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810.936 |
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你們每一年剩了快三千億到五千億那些錢給地方大家都很高啊所以不要苦窮什麼還恐嚇左融派開始恐嚇老百姓期需那時候老百姓說天災你自己五千 |
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812.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
836.59 |
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卓榮泰、石岩、所有的平民講話,毫不進入狀況,這些東西我再講一遍,我就下去了。主席你三名,你稍安勿躁了,113年台北市第三名,113年台北市第四名,114年台北市第五名,現在台北市以後第五名。 |
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837.73 |
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接著請郭國文委員那個花言 |
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賴委員士葆：（9時43分）謝謝主席以及各位先進。有請兆豐董董事長以及101的賈董事長，兩位長官請。 |
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主席：好，兆豐董董事長、賈永媫董事長。 |
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賴委員士葆：先請教兆豐的董董事長，你知道今年應該獲利創新高吧？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：報告委員，還好。 |
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賴委員士葆：還好是創新高嗎？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：沒有，沒有比去年更好，因為我們在美國CRE那部分，我們受傷滿嚴重的。 |
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賴委員士葆：虧了一些啦！ |
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董董事長瑞斌：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：但是如果美國不算，就創新高啦？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：對吧？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：我們打銷呆帳沒錯。 |
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賴委員士葆：美國那部分如果不算，因為上一次的問題、法遵的問題，如果沒有的話就創新高。好，我現在的重點在於年終獎金要給多少？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：報告委員，我們現在還在核算，不過應該不會比去年…… |
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賴委員士葆：平均多少？去年多少？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：去年大概可以到七、八個月。 |
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賴委員士葆：七、八個月。 |
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董董事長瑞斌：對，所有的獎金全部加起來。 |
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賴委員士葆：不會比去年差吧？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：我們希望能夠維持同樣的幅度。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以可以上看8個月，這句話可以成立吧？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：希望可以。 |
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賴委員士葆：上看8個月！ |
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董董事長瑞斌：希望可以達到這個目標。 |
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賴委員士葆：好，明年加薪的幅度呢？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：報告委員，3%，因為我們…… |
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賴委員士葆：上次在這裡你說4%，怎麼縮水了？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：沒有、沒有，3%而已。 |
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賴委員士葆：我聽錯了嗎？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：沒有，我們另外還有每一年加薪晉級。 |
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賴委員士葆：奇怪。 |
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董董事長瑞斌：每一年我們還有加薪晉級，那一部分大概快一點多percent，所以那是自然的，每一年不管有沒有…… |
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賴委員士葆：明年軍公教加多少？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：3%啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：3%？ |
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董董事長瑞斌：對。 |
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賴委員士葆：兆豐這麼賺錢，跟政府一樣？漏氣啦！ |
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董董事長瑞斌：報告委員，我們…… |
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賴委員士葆：漏氣啦！ |
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董董事長瑞斌：我們獎金可以多發，但是薪水就比照公教人員調整。謝謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：好。請教賈董事長。 |
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賈董事長永媫：主席好、委員好。 |
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賴委員士葆：你今年比去年賺錢吧？ |
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賈董事長永媫：是，我們的營業額增加了大概七點多%。 |
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賴委員士葆：七點多%，那年終獎金怎麼樣？ |
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賈董事長永媫：我們的年終獎金其實是很不錯的，對於員工的福利是一個很不錯的數字…… |
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賴委員士葆：具體一點，「很不錯」我聽不懂，具體一點。 |
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賈董事長永媫：可是這個數字我好像沒有辦法公開耶…… |
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賴委員士葆：去年有什麼……兆豐都可以公開？為什麼你不能公開？ |
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賈董事長永媫：因為我要報告董事會，董事會沒有要我公開，我不能公開。 |
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賴委員士葆：去年的你知道嗎？ |
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賈董事長永媫：去年我不知道。 |
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賴委員士葆：你要來這裡要做功課，你不能說去年不知道。 |
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賈董事長永媫：喔！好。 |
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賴委員士葆：至少今年比去年多吧？可以吧？承諾這一點可以嗎？ |
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賈董事長永媫：這個部分，我真的沒有辦法確切的……我知道今年的數字，今年的數字也是…… |
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賴委員士葆：今年比去年好，所以當然獎金也比去年多啊！ |
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賈董事長永媫：好，謝謝委員幫我們的員工爭取這麼多的福利。 |
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賴委員士葆：當然啊！ |
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賈董事長永媫：謝謝、謝謝，很感謝。 |
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賴委員士葆：明年也一樣，明年的加薪幅度呢？ |
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賈董事長永媫：加薪幅度啊！我覺得我的答案…… |
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賴委員士葆：要不要加薪？你要不要加薪？ |
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賈董事長永媫：沒有、沒有，我的答案要跟董董事長一樣…… |
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賴委員士葆：一樣，就3%？ |
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賈董事長永媫：不是、不是，我們就是會按照比例，然後我們還有各方面的考績，還有評效…… |
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賴委員士葆：董事長，你現在不是只有過去的身分，你現在某種程度是官員、類官員，類似官員。 |
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賈董事長永媫：好。 |
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賴委員士葆：我幫你算了，你去年EPS 1.15。 |
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賈董事長永媫：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：你說今年比去年好，好歹最少1.25、1.3…… |
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賈董事長永媫：好像可以更好一點，是。 |
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賴委員士葆：對不對？ |
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賈董事長永媫：是。 |
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賴委員士葆：所以今年當然獎金要多一點啦！ |
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賈董事長永媫：好，謝謝委員一直幫大家，我們台北101的同事應該會很愛你，真的。 |
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賴委員士葆：不是，你就跟我在這裡具體承諾說：好，我就這樣做。 |
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賈董事長永媫：我沒有辦法承諾，我要跟董事會做報告，如果董事會都同意，我們當然是OK啊！ |
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賴委員士葆：董事長，你可以講說：我希望這樣，最後經過董事會同意。這樣就可以啦！ |
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賈董事長永媫：是、是、是，但是我們今年…… |
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賴委員士葆：不是「是、是、是」，我聽不懂，你到底心目中有沒有準備給多少啦？ |
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賈董事長永媫：我心目中已經有確切的數字了，真的，而且我們在12月18號開董事會的時候，今年所有該發的獎金都已經確認了，確認了月數，確實都確認好了。 |
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賴委員士葆：那個不是什麼機密，我們來立法院這裡基本上是如實作答，是憲法規定的，要講實話，沒什麼機密，這沒什麼機密的。 |
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賈董事長永媫：是，我知道。 |
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賴委員士葆：而且替你宣傳，替你宣傳，有什麼機密？ |
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賈董事長永媫：總經理，我確認我們可以講出實際的數字嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[86][0] |
賴委員士葆：當然可以啊，為什麼不能講？奇怪。 |
| gazette.blocks[87][0] |
賈董事長永媫：不行、不行，不能講，因為真的董事會沒有要我講，我不能講，不好意思，還是我之後補資料給你？ |
| gazette.blocks[88][0] |
賴委員士葆：好吧，你補資料給我。你今年的煙火跟誰同框？ |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
賈董事長永媫：我們是秘密薪資，要保密協議。 |
| gazette.blocks[90][0] |
賴委員士葆：我說EPS，我沒有講個人，講overall的，這不是什麼機密了，你這個觀念太…… |
| gazette.blocks[91][0] |
賈董事長永媫：overall我講出來之後，你算一算，你也知道啊。 |
| gazette.blocks[92][0] |
賴委員士葆：我不知道咧！ |
| gazette.blocks[93][0] |
賈董事長永媫：你剛剛自己明明說你會算。 |
| gazette.blocks[94][0] |
賴委員士葆：我資質駑鈍啦！我不知道咧！ |
| gazette.blocks[95][0] |
賈董事長永媫：好啦，委員，我收到，我會很努力地把在經營方面的數字、獲利…… |
| gazette.blocks[96][0] |
賴委員士葆：所以我剛剛講的EPS 1.3是沒有問題的啦，對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[97][0] |
賈董事長永媫：是。 |
| gazette.blocks[98][0] |
賴委員士葆：1.3沒問題。 |
| gazette.blocks[98][1] |
去年煙火跟蔣萬安，今年除了蔣萬安，有沒有其他人同框，這可以講吧？ |
| gazette.blocks[99][0] |
賈董事長永媫：蔣萬安，然後…… |
| gazette.blocks[100][0] |
賴委員士葆：去年跨年煙火秀是跟蔣萬安同框。 |
| gazette.blocks[101][0] |
賈董事長永媫：是、是。 |
| gazette.blocks[102][0] |
賴委員士葆：今年除了蔣萬安以外，有沒有其他人？ |
| gazette.blocks[103][0] |
賈董事長永媫：我當然很期望跟蔣萬安市長，我們今年應該就是一樣，我在上個禮拜跟TVBS那邊開了製播會議，因為TVBS是轉播市政府的…… |
| gazette.blocks[104][0] |
賴委員士葆：你要不要請財政部長啊？財政部長是你的長官。 |
| gazette.blocks[105][0] |
賈董事長永媫：可以啊，我如果請得到財政部長，當然好啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[106][0] |
賴委員士葆：每一個委員看法不一樣啦，你跟你老公再怎麼恩愛，用那個看板弄一個「永婕同心」，賈董事長，不宜啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[107][0] |
賈董事長永媫：喔，好。 |
| gazette.blocks[108][0] |
賴委員士葆：這個不宜啦，因為你們怎麼秀恩愛就在旁邊的地方，但這是一個公共的平臺，你用那個的話，人家就會講公器私用，雖然你不認為這樣子，可是你說你捐錢就可以，話不是這樣講，董事長，你現在某種程度等於是官員，你的作風舉止要跟你過去的身分不一樣，要比較嚴謹，OK？ |
| gazette.blocks[109][0] |
賈董事長永媫：好啦，了解、了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[110][0] |
賴委員士葆：了解喔？ |
| gazette.blocks[111][0] |
賈董事長永媫：了解。 |
| gazette.blocks[112][0] |
賴委員士葆：好，你們兩位請回吧。請財政部次長。 |
| gazette.blocks[113][0] |
賈董事長永媫：好，謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[114][0] |
主席：賈董事長，要正向回答委員對你的提問。 |
| gazette.blocks[115][0] |
阮次長清華：委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[116][0] |
賴委員士葆：次長，你剛才回答的時候都隨便講講，完全政治語言啊，什麼叫沒有討論？財劃法從今年5月20號第1次審查，審查會6次，公聽會2次，朝野協商1次，委員發言168次，還有詢答，總共經歷了38小時48分鐘，怎麼會說沒有討論呢？你不能變成通通政治化。阮次長，你今天講這個話，我鄙視你啊！我瞧不起你啊！數字在這裡啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[117][0] |
阮次長清華：我跟委員報告…… |
| gazette.blocks[118][0] |
賴委員士葆：請問有沒有詢答？有沒有詢答？ |
| gazette.blocks[119][0] |
阮次長清華：有詢答。 |
| gazette.blocks[120][0] |
賴委員士葆：有詢答，那怎麼沒有討論呢？當然有討論，怎麼會沒有呢？ |
| gazette.blocks[121][0] |
阮次長清華：但是…… |
| gazette.blocks[122][0] |
賴委員士葆：怎麼沒有呢？處理的過程，審查會6次，怎麼沒有？怎麼會這樣子呢？隨便講講。另外，我的時間不多，我就挑重點來講。 |
| gazette.blocks[123][0] |
阮次長清華：其實，報告委員…… |
| gazette.blocks[124][0] |
賴委員士葆：來，我們來看，你們發了新聞稿，完全政治化的新聞稿，說再撥出去的話，這是你們寫的、財政部寫的，114年給地方1.15兆，如果再發出去3,753億，會影響經濟發展、影響社會福利、影響國防安全，見鬼喔！審計部的報告…… |
| gazette.blocks[125][0] |
阮次長清華：這個…… |
| gazette.blocks[126][0] |
賴委員士葆：你聽我講完，2021年歲計賸餘沒花完的有2,979億，2022年4,993億，2023年2,790億，你們就是有3,000億到5,000億根本花都花不完，怎麼會影響你的政務？笑死人啦，這個就是政治語言，隨便講講啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[127][0] |
阮次長清華：我跟委員報告，我是覺得財劃法是這樣，不管誰執政，這是一個根本大法…… |
| gazette.blocks[128][0] |
賴委員士葆：不要隨便回答我，我時間有限…… |
| gazette.blocks[129][0] |
阮次長清華：我們要跟地方能夠理性討論、充分溝通…… |
| gazette.blocks[130][0] |
賴委員士葆：理性討論，我們開過6次審查會啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[131][0] |
阮次長清華：但是現在通過的…… |
| gazette.blocks[132][0] |
賴委員士葆：已經開過6次審查會了，怎麼沒有理性討論？ |
| gazette.blocks[133][0] |
阮次長清華：我的意思是說，在討論過程當中，執政黨相關委員的發言都沒有採納，這是第一個問題。 |
| gazette.blocks[134][0] |
賴委員士葆：怎麼沒有討論？開過6次審查會啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[135][0] |
阮次長清華：第二個問題就是說，目前對地方的財政支援已經達到一兆多了…… |
| gazette.blocks[136][0] |
賴委員士葆：你就有剩錢，每一年都賸餘3,000億到5,000億，所以現在什麼事情都沒有影響，你就發三千多億給地方政府，有什麼問題呢？照樣做，一直講影響國防，影響什麼國防？你還賸餘3,000億到5,000億，你每年賸餘3,000億到5,000億，那個錢給地方政府有什麼不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[137][0] |
阮次長清華：我跟委員報告，我是覺得財劃法不是不能夠修正的…… |
| gazette.blocks[138][0] |
賴委員士葆：你講的沒有針對問題啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[139][0] |
阮次長清華：但是我是覺得大家一定要充分討論，因為這是根本大法。 |
| gazette.blocks[140][0] |
賴委員士葆：你講這個話，我聽不懂。阮次長，你講話我聽不懂，我一直跟你講，你都沒有回答我，你每年賸餘3,000億到5,000億，那個錢給地方政府有什麼不對？有什麼問題？ |
| gazette.blocks[141][0] |
阮次長清華：但是問題是那些東西如果再增加3,753億，再加上另外一個條文，一般補助款又不能減少…… |
| gazette.blocks[142][0] |
賴委員士葆：還有剩啊！還有剩啊！你怎麼估……來，好好講，有關補助款，我們來看…… |
| gazette.blocks[143][0] |
阮次長清華：在這種情況之下，的確中央的…… |
| gazette.blocks[144][0] |
賴委員士葆：請你看一下資料，我做功課的，大家看，來，我們看六都，主要看兩個，一個統籌稅款，一個補助收入，補助包括一般補助跟中央的補助，第一名高雄市，第二名新北市，第三名臺北市，臺北市沒有拿最多啦！113年臺北市第四名，114年的預算，臺北市第五名啦，你聽我講，你不要一直插嘴，好不好？ |
| gazette.blocks[145][0] |
阮次長清華：好。 |
| gazette.blocks[146][0] |
賴委員士葆：新的財劃法，高雄給它245億，加起來1,474億，臺北市給它416億，臺北市很多。 |
| gazette.blocks[146][1] |
你不用喊我啦！我把它講完，郭委員稍微忍耐一下，這個很重要。臺北市增加416億，總共就是只有1,277億，還輸高雄市輸得很慘，高雄還是第一，怎麼樣都是第一，它不是第一就是第二，你再加上去還是第一…… |
| gazette.blocks[147][0] |
阮次長清華：沒有啦，我覺得這個數字會說話…… |
| gazette.blocks[148][0] |
賴委員士葆：事實在這裡，我數字給你看，數字在這裡，什麼叫沒有？數字在這裡、數字在這裡，所以次長，你今天的回答不知所云，嗯嗯啊啊，完全不進入狀況，心虛啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[149][0] |
阮次長清華：不會啦！ |
| gazette.blocks[150][0] |
賴委員士葆：次長，你今天來這裡不知道在說什麼，都在「黑龍繞桌」，我跟你講數字，統籌分配稅款要加補助款，這個才是全部的，臺北市112年第三名、113年第四名、114年第五名，再加上統籌分配稅款臺北市遠落後高雄市，輸了200億，這是事實！這是事實！ |
| gazette.blocks[151][0] |
阮次長清華：但是財政收支劃分法就是…… |
| gazette.blocks[152][0] |
賴委員士葆：最後一句話，我最後只有一句話，你們每一年賸了快3,000億到5,000億，那些錢給地方，大家就很足夠了，所以不要哭窮什麼！卓榮泰開始恐嚇老百姓、情緒勒索老百姓，說以後天災要自己負責，卓榮泰失言、隨隨便便講話，毫不進入狀況！ |
| gazette.blocks[153][0] |
主席：賴士葆委員，時間到了。 |
| gazette.blocks[154][0] |
賴委員士葆：我要再講一遍，我就下去了，主席，你稍安勿躁。 |
| gazette.blocks[155][0] |
主席：謝謝賴士葆委員，你超過很久了。 |
| gazette.blocks[156][0] |
賴委員士葆：112年臺北市第三名、113年臺北市第四名、114年臺北市第五名，現在臺北市一樣第五名，可憐啊！大家看一下臺北市不是這樣子，大家都一直罵臺北市。 |
| gazette.blocks[157][0] |
主席：謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[158][0] |
賴委員士葆：主席，你別緊張，你們臺南市…… |
| gazette.blocks[159][0] |
主席：我已經多給你好幾分鐘了，郭國文委員一直在下面跟我抗議。 |
| gazette.blocks[160][0] |
賴委員士葆：臺南市的要忌妒高雄市的。 |
| gazette.blocks[161][0] |
主席：我的臺南市很慘，我的農業縣很慘。 |
| gazette.blocks[162][0] |
賴委員士葆：謝謝。 |
| gazette.blocks[163][0] |
主席：謝謝賴士葆委員。 |
| gazette.blocks[163][1] |
接著請郭國文委員發言。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
82 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-20-12 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
賴惠員 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
林德福 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
吳秉叡 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
郭國文 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
顏寬恒 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
黃珊珊 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
李坤城 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
鄭正鈐 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
張啓楷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
羅明才 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
王世堅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
王鴻薇 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
陳玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-12-23 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
1141101 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
1141101_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投
資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表
演規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
1141101_00001 |