| IVOD_ID |
15836 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15836 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
15 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-22T08:30:53+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-22T10:19:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:48:07 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8d241381c4f8c7fc2af675131898e733ce50009cd90371ce3be8d109af184be494534152a6a854925ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第15次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查
（一）民進黨黨團擬具「立法院組織法部分條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員高金素梅等23人擬具「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「立法院組織法第三條、第五條及第三十二條條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員高金素梅等17人擬具「立法院組織法第三十三條條文修正草案」案。
二、審查
（一）民進黨黨團擬具「立法委員行為法第七條之一及第三十條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「立法委員行為法部分條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員范雲等18人擬具「立法委員行為法第七條條文修正草案」案。
三、審查
（一）民進黨黨團擬具「立法院議事規則第四十七條、第四十八條及第五十二條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「立法院議事規則第九條、第二十二條及第五十條條文修正草案」案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:53 - 10:19:00 |
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報告委員會出席委員10人以足法定人數請主席宣布開會現在開會進行報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議議事錄審議中華民國113年4月18日星期四上午9時至12時56分下午20時30分至5時31分地點本院紅樓302會議室出席委員黃委員郭昌等13人列席委員賴委員世保等12人 |
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列席官員、立法院秘書長周萬來等人、主席、中召集委員嘉賓、報告事項、宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定、討論事項、審查民進黨黨團擬具、立法院職權行使法部分條文修正草案等5案本次會由委員黃國昌等11人提出質詢委員翁曉琳提出書面質詢決議一報告及詢答完畢進行大體討論二委員質詢時要求提供相關資料或以書面答覆者請相關機關競訴送交個別委員基本會 |
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應表決通過散會動議。宣讀完畢。 |
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好接下來介紹道場委員及應邀列席官員首先介紹在場委員有我們副總召昆齊委員翁委員小玲還有高金委員素梅還有我們的吳思瑤委員以及范雲委員好謝謝那接下來我們介紹應邀列席官員好首先介紹立法院秘書長周萬來秘書長 |
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1916.212 |
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1924.302 |
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以及張玉榮副秘書長。好,那其他部會的代表我們就不再主意做介紹了。好,那麼 |
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其餘未及介紹的請參與的名單我們不再逐一介紹並列入公會記錄。本市議程討論四項分別審查國會改革法案中有關於立法院組織法、立法委員行為法與立法院議事規則。民進黨黨團及各提案委員擬具之修正條文草案先進行提案說明及報告。 |
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1950.831 |
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那麼首先呢我們委員的提案說明發言時間三分鐘先請提案人民進黨黨團代表吳委員、施堯進行提案說明請就討論事項第一案、第二案及第三案之一一併說明請謝謝主席謝謝所有的朋友一起來關心國會改革 |
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1975.818 |
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1991.663 |
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國會改革法案審查的場域就在司法法制委員會所以司法法制委員會是不是能夠秉持理性、專業、監督、問政的風範就是國會改革最佳的示範場域今天審查的幾個議案相對 |
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案（一）立法院組織法部分條文修正草案．一）立法院組織法部分條文修正草案．一）立法院組織法部分條文修正草案。 |
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2020.387 |
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案．立法院組織法當中民主進步黨提出了六個條文首先要提升本身的問政職能 |
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案﹚一）立法院組織法部分條文修正草案．一）民進黨團擬具 |
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二（民主進步黨也提出要因應資訊安全管理法11條的規定公務機關都應當設有資訊資通安全長而立法院到目前是付之缺儒的所以民進黨增設了立法院組織法的條文要求立法院 |
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2092.102 |
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案,因比照其他部會來新增資通安全處而且指派適當人選來出任資通安全長來建構國會的資訊安全防火牆以及倡議 |
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2097.785 |
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2099.886 |
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也討論了數十年的國會簽建或擴建案。這是臺灣能夠深化民主問政的效能也作為國會外交的重要場域。我們應當讓國會擴建或簽建案與修法的部分一併完備來推上一把。 |
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2118.695 |
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2143.704 |
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另外在立法委員行為法的部分民主進步黨也提出了兩個條文的修正內容非常的簡要明晰也就是杜絕MeToo我們立法院總是修法要求別人落實性騷、反歧視的相關作為但是立法院的內部卻從來沒有檢討自身所以民進黨的立法委員行為法第七條至一及三十條都針對性騷以及歧視行為的防治 |
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2148.406 |
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2153.331 |
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與以明定最後一項議案是立法院的議事規則民進黨修正了三個條文主要是為了確保秘密會議的內容不對外宣洩也不對外來轉述來流出所以我們明定 |
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2169.026 |
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對於立法委員對於列席人員甚至對於會場的員工他可以攜帶入場的產品是什麼那原則上我們都是明定明列禁止攜帶任何通訊產品並應簽據保密切結書才得入場而至於抄錄轉述的相關責任的課則我們也在立法院議事規則裡頭更為升級強化 |
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2216.561 |
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所以簡要的跟大家報告今天的立法院組織法立法委員行為法立法院的議事規則民主進步黨提出來的諸多的條文都是正向的來提升立法院的自我克責也是回應社會期待國會更自律國會更進步的重要修法希望朝野大家能夠理性專業的對話完成今天的審議謝謝 |
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2222.882 |
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2225.747 |
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謝謝吳委員請提案人委員高金是請 |
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2228.341 |
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2257.229 |
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主席好,這邊我想提一個程序發言主要是針對在上週因為主席宣布會議休息時間然後就不知道去何處了然後以至於就是有耽誤整個本會的會議室的運作然後也影響了我們出席委員的還有政府官員的辦公的時間所以我在這邊我可以 |
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2258.287 |
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2259.149 |
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提出一個臨時提案。 |
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我希望能夠待會就可以討論就是我們在今天的會議上面是不是應該要如果主席要這個宣布會議休息的話要明定休息的起期時間而且如果這個這個休息時間結束然後主席20分鐘不到的話我們就自動散會 |
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2295.76 |
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好 這個提案我們待會處理那我先做這個回應其實立法院的議事規則如果要修改就可以提案來修改像我們這次就有修改會議規則的提案那如果委員對會議規則運行有什麼疑問可以參考過去本院的慣例那至於本席在上週輪值召委主持的時候本席是要維持各黨團的版本都能進入到實質討論那如果在場的委員不願意參與討論那我只好休息 |
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案。 |
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案﹚立法院組織法部分條文修正草案﹚立法院組織法部分條文修正草案﹚ |
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議員主席 |
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2407.876 |
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五點半之前就不想開會不想討論的委員我們就請他自行離開讓想討論的委員能夠繼續討論那這個呢就剛剛你的會議詢問做個回應那剛剛的這個提案呢我們會適當時間來處理現在請提案人委員高金素梅進行提案說明再講一下這個事情啊當天的情況並不是如此是主席你宣布會議休息之後 |
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議員主席賴瑞隆 |
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那麼我們的議事規則裡面是有說主席是有這個權利可以參酌可以這個宣布會議時間但是你必須要具體化這個休息的時間到底是從什麼時候開始什麼時候結束不是讓你主席在這裡自以濫權你要想什麼時候休息就什麼時候休息你想什麼時候回來就什麼時候回來這個是不符合法律的規定好謝謝翁委員那我們吳委員要詢問 |
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謝謝主席我想我剛剛在提案說明的時候也已經非常清楚的開宗明義喔司法法制委員會用什麼樣子的審議態度用什麼樣子的審議方式來進行國會改革議案的處理是不是能夠進入實質的討論而且逐條正向的提出建設性意見來討論社會都在看 |
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我們現在在這裡講的每一句話我們發表的每一個立場都是在行使我們對於國會改革理念的實踐那依據議事規則我剛剛做提案說明的時候有清楚的說民主進步黨的議事規則的版本有提出來 |
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我們針對在議事規則進行秩序的維護相關的事項我們行使我們的職權用提案修法的方式來為之所以如果在野黨的委員對於議事規則有任何想要修正的部分也可以提出修法的意見那回到今天能不能夠順利的討論我個人也非常期待不要再發生上週有委員試圖阻撓討論 |
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案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案案 |
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案﹚立法院組織法部分條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案． |
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這樣的條文如果還是有委員試圖要不斷的拋出散會影響討論的動議或提案我覺得這國人又會大大的失望一次所以我是支持那主席可以基於議事規則來進行相關權限的行使謝謝好那我們接下來請提案人委員高金素梅進行提案說明請請說 |
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我剛剛非常認同吳思瑤講不要動輒拿散會出來我覺得吳思瑤這樣子做也對民進黨不好意思啦就民進黨上個禮拜一提了40次散會動議散會動議的前提是要讓小委能夠審查能夠審查此散會非筆散會他又開始陷入模一模四嗎我現在在講話我現在在講話沒關係啦沒關係我現在在講話你要詢問什麼事 |
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我要詢問今天為什麼民進黨40次山會動議、杯葛議事我們還可以去譴責我們的吳宗憲的擔任主席我想請問當天神隱的神盾局局長鍾佳彬你現在終於出現了 |
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那奇怪,為什麼你們的主持議事要合乎議事規則?我跟各位講,我先講一件事情沒有關係,民進黨議事規則有很多的漏洞版啊沒有,我跟你講沒關係,那我的主張要程序發言啊可不可以來,可以嗎?主席好,謝謝我們程序發言開始受理登記 |
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好來我們請登記發言第一位羅委員志強發言時間三分鐘 |
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我們尊敬的主席也是神盾局局長鍾嘉斌主席今天我看到民進黨委員就議事規則有很多的一些意見深受感動也深受感召阿直接就罵不要隨便拿散會動議出來嘛對不對散會動議出來不對的阿對阿不對阿民進黨40次散會動議就很正確 |
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國民黨提一次三會動議就不正確這就是民進黨對議事規則最大的解讀就像說國民黨我們吳宗憲這個召委擔任主席民進黨不管會議質詢、程序發言、大體討論搞了四個小時我們就讓你在上面講繼續講暢言四個小時 |
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最後呢民進黨那一整天6個小時提40次三會動議也通通我們就開始進行表決啊就民進黨還可以譴責吳宗憲欸還提譴責兩次欸 |
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那我講了一件事情民進黨以前在當執政當多數的時候從來也沒給過國民黨這種待遇啊少數黨這種待遇啊什麼討論六小時開會五分鐘直接宣布表決就碾壓過去 |
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所以今天在這邊我非常贊同我們剛剛翁小林委員講的啦你講這麼矮去鑽議事規則的漏洞我們就把漏洞補起來嘛全國民眾在乎的是什麼在乎的是今天我們主席不要當薪水小偷三個小時神隱不見蛋 |
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我那天真的印象深刻啊,三位都一低到桌上的時候我們的神盾局局長是直接跳起來啦!直接跳起來啦!快變鋼鐵人飛出去啦!立刻逃之夭夭,欸我這個對啊,我立法院新來的,我真的沒有看過這麼好笑的事情啦!這跳起來就飛了對不對!鋼鐵人啦!用飛的嗎?還是閃電俠?所以我要跟各位講,像這種濫用意識規則的狀況,這種洞就要補起來! |
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我非常贊成窩小英委員剛提的,休息應該律定時間。超過休息律定的時間,就自動散會了啦。因為主席你都不尊重自己,你憑什麼要官員底下坐三個小時陪你耗啊? |
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所以你既然要強調議事規則鑽漏洞沒關係我們把漏洞補起來我這個省任局局長你好好去看看網路上對你三個小時消失神隱的薪水小偷的行為大家的評價是什麼那另外三會動議民進黨這麼在乎三會動議我跟各位講那你不要禮拜一提四十次你提四十次沒關係國民黨就四十次的quota我們就四十次來告訴你三會動議怎麼做 |
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而且我跟各位講至少羅智強我提三位都有一次開會最多提一次不會下面一次提四十次所以要講意識規則我們就用意識規則意識規則有漏洞就把它補起來以上謝謝羅委員的這個還是一個會議詢問的性質那主委在這邊說明一下 |
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在議事規則當中散會動議是讓會議他無法再進行討論那通常我們會提停止討論動議那麼停止討論動議之後就要進行處理但是有時候為了不讓停止討論動議處理要有最優先的方式來處理不讓會議進行下去就會提散會動議這位主席為什麼要說散會動議優先處理那當一旦提出散會動議的人 |
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他的目的就是讓會場的狀況讓他結束掉那麼上週一的會場狀態是民進黨主張要進行逐條討論要進行逐條討論但是事上主席的主持是不給討論那如果一個會議不能討論當然就沒有繼續進行的必要這是當時民進黨提三會動議的目的 |
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那麼至於在上週四的情況提散會動議是因為國民黨認為大體討論不想進行所以要提散會動議讓會議不能進行討論其實在議事規則散會動議有時候是防止不討論有時候是拒絕討論那這當然有大家自有社會公平那我想接下來的程序發言我們請那個翁曉琳委員進行程序發言時間三分鐘 |
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我想針對上個禮拜我們召開委員會議然後中間從兩點半開始主席宣布會議休息之後一直空轉三個小時直到五點半然後再通過會議動議 |
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那麼這是我第一次看到立法院竟然在委員會上面開會可以透過這樣的意識手段然後來杯葛其他委員所提出來的動議我不知道這是不是一個正常的狀態但至少我認為這不是一個正常的狀態即便是立法院意識規則裡面由給主席有這樣的權利可以鑿定休息時間但是主席不能夠自議濫權 |
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案（三）委員高金素梅等23人擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．一）民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．一、審查�� |
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議員高金素梅等23人擬具 |
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他提了立法院各委員會組織法第四條、第九條、二十二條的條文修正草案的這個對照表在第四條裡面他有說召集委員因故無法主持會議時應指定該委員會一人代理會議主席未指定時由該委員會互退一人為臨時主席這是賴委員他所提出的立法院各委員會組織法第四條修正案 |
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在這個條文說明裏面他有說依照現行的委員會議事慣例如果召集委員應固無法主持會議會議前則由指定同委員會委員代理會議主席如果於會議中可臨時指定暫待主持會議以避免會議中斷 |
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那麼為立法院各委員會會議曾發生過召集委員因故或無故未主持會議,亦不指定代理主席,導致議事中斷,浪費寶貴的委員會議時間,降低議事效率,引發民眾不滿。所以爭定在召委未指定代理主席時,得由委員會委員互推臨時主席,必使會議如期順利進行。 |
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我沒有想到賴委員還真的是料事如神竟然可以預測到我們的中嘉賓召委在上星期就直接宣布會議休息然後就審影 |
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這麼重要的案子不知道為什麼中嘉賓委員昭偉沒有把他排入到我們這次的這個立法院的相關的這個組織法的病案審查那麼這個部分就可以顯現其實民進黨根本沒有想要進行國會內部改革我非常支持 |
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案。我希望在沒有修正委員會組織法的條文之前,其實透過現在的解釋就可以約束主席的會議的主持權利。這是很重要,不要讓民眾認為說我們立法 |
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案,有立法委員是薪水小偷,他不僅是薪水小偷,還讓我們其他人都受到牽連、拖累。那麼這是一個非常不好的示範。以上。好,接下來請問一下,因為有委員做第二次的程序發言登記,請問還有沒有其他委員要登記程序發言?請登記。請登記。請登記。那還有沒有其他委員?那如果沒有的話,我們的程序發言登記到此為止。接下來有請審法委員。 |
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主席本會委員我想這個在會議在今天本來會議一開始剛剛已經這個提案說明都進行到一半了那這個又針對上個禮拜會議的程序大家都來進行程序發言了 |
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我想這整個爭執大概幾點最主要就是我看兩位新科委員他們對於主席宣布休息之後的時間好像非常的驚訝而且非常的不滿事實上我想在場所有的媒體記者先生女士以及幾位資深委員大家都知道 |
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在立法院原本就是這樣子對多數黨來講多數黨掌握的武器就是人數因此他們透過表決的方式來貫徹多數黨的意志那對少數黨來講呢就是因為表決結果少數黨是輸的所以少數黨唯一的武器就是運用意識規則 |
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案﹚立法院組織法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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所以像即使第二個剛剛提到這個三會動議,三會動議它就是意識規則裡面所定的那因為這個國民黨他們多數黨因此我們提四十四的三會動議一樣會否決這個我們就是乖乖我們就按照意識規則一直提來拖延這個時間這個是沒有錯這就是我們少數黨的意識武器啊 |
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那這個有什麼好氣,氣成這樣子來這裡,來這邊已經亂了第三天了還在這邊開會,每次開會就來講了,好像一副天理不容的樣子這沒有什麼,這就是議事技巧啊,這就是按照議事規則的方式來進行啊 |
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3397.397 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
那至於這個主席宣布休息這個也很正常我們平常如果在審查到時候審查預算會休息更多次審查預算大家這個有意見這個要刪除那個認為不要刪除這個認為刪除太少那個認為刪除太多當僵持不下的時候如果每次都用表決那就會回到以前到最後就是少數黨只有一個唯一的武器剩下打架而已啊 |
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所以就是用議事規則來進行大家就主席就說現在爭執不下在還沒有表決之前大家宣布休息協商那天狀況大概也是這樣子啊主席宣布休息就是希望大家協商只是協商沒有完成協商沒有進行協商沒有結論因此就主席他當然可以希望拖到 |
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這個協商達成結論。這個我覺得這就是很合理。至於剛才提到的另外一個好像兩位委員也非常在意的就是我們那天民進黨團所提的譴責吳宗憲主席的這件事情。這個我再說一遍。過去立法院所有的不管是多數黨大家即使圍在主席台前面推擠即使怎麼樣但是該進行的程序通通要進行。 |
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有提案提案停止討論就一定要正式的提案停止討論才可以停止討論就停止討論的提案先表決表決完之後再表決這個案子這個程序都應該要走那天之所以譴責吳宗憲就是因為吳宗憲主席我想這個到時候吳宗憲不在場 |
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你們也可以問他,他可能自己在你們黨團指揮下他自己也覺得很心虛這是因為那天大家不同的意見他完全自己裁決把條文保留了一個條文在委員會到底要做什麼樣的處理通通要經過委員會的決議到底這個條文要通過、要否決、要保留都要委員會大家來公決、合一公決而不是主席來裁決 |
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所以這是那一天最大的問題所以譴責吳宗憲的關鍵就是這個事情其他的都沒有他要怎麼樣主持要怎麼這都是主席的權利這個我們也都作為少數黨摸著鼻子認了所以少數我再說一次少數黨唯一的武器 |
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案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案案。 |
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主席各位同仁有一句話叫做糾結狠糾結狠糾結你不吃雞肉粽這個是在這裏在這裏撒辣在這裏撒辣在這裏喉嚨上癮上禮拜一到底發生什麼事情禮拜四發生什麼事情全國大百姓都看大家都在現場只有你們這倒果為因嘛你們不讓開會嘛 |
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應該講說我們版本差一天進來還有劉志強還有翁小英還有很多人版本必然審查啊這在立法院非常其中平常啊大家都彼此尊重啊各位你不是說委員會中間主義嗎?為什麼你都不敢講話?連聽說你都不敢講?有廣場委員坐在那裡負責為事舉手而已這個很清楚啦好等一下你叫我後面不要客氣我們今天有機會對到我們就來好好講嘛 |
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如果要講得清晰來就講得清晰嘛。議席中間是多少人開的嘛。所有班門都拼在一起。一直在討論。還有一個羅智祥委員我們給你什麼我們給你什麼。另外一隻騎士卸法保障權益。回羅智祥委員收給了。這不是恩賜啊。所以那搞什麼,就是拜你們要長期的連壓嘛。然後其他班門不併嘛。 |
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那就不能討論不能發言嘛。主條通常不可以啊。然後這樣表決一直過去。當然唯一的武器就商業動力。突顯的荒謬。我告訴各位。然後禮拜四我們組織的時候是怎麼樣? |
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議員主席 |
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見天日嘛!你不能讓那些人被討厭嘛!一路掩蓋、蓋牌、蓋牌到底嘛!所以大家又不講話、裝在那裡!讓極少部隊!就是如此而已啊!剛剛梁國雄委員講說,他還第一次,你才剛到那裡,你還會看到很多第一次的! |
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各位要瞭解。二、二十號是不是韓國組織第一次委員會?會經過協商? |
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議員高金素梅等23人擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案案件、立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案件、立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案件、立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案件、立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案件、立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案件、立法院組織法第三十二條條條文修正草案案件、 |
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憤怯委員在後台啊。本來是10點45,然後講到11點提定要處理,讓院長要退,讓院長要上台。這我們歷經時間,這立法院很多協商的。過去劉昌恩院長的時候,有一位協商,一個禮拜停止開會,你們常常再來。我們院長一直如此,誰都是如此。 |
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所以學長本來就是一個意識手段哪有要用一定時間,你們十分鐘講得出來嗎?連韓國瑜都不敢,第一次就如此各位我們不要對這裡瞎扯,你要抓人家心嘴小偷,這樣我們會立法院我們就是委員中心主義,民進黨過去不管在野執政,我們都用意識手段 |
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我曾經一條法案講一天的那過去依然就是論證啦 |
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主要衝突 衝突 都說違規 違規 才沒有辦法出去我們那邊宰的是我們的民主程序 展示我們要好好審查的誠意給大家看可是呢 這要記國務司長 國務就不可以講 你們的版本 根本是檢驗的嘛那你覺得你們的版本很好 你應該上來辯護啊 一條條的辯護啊為什麼如此 大家心裡很清楚 這個 我也都說暴力可以如此 |
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他們還講臨時匪憲亂政這名義反覆不起來的這是全程撕破的這個倒也很清楚 你們不要這樣哭的嘛像今天我看這個副總召好像趕著要去大陸了他又開始在底下連署待會我會看到他們提出三個東西出來現在連委員會都跟你們說什麼時候立法院以前到現在什麼時候委員會能不能開能不能討論事由 |
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舉手來表決只有國民黨來提醒那今天我們就建議大家去看喔額後四年只要國民黨民眾黨合起來只要這個委員會來自己專案報告都不可以這個法案不可以討論你就要來上會這是何其嚴重啊連委員會都可以沒說、法院都可以沒說、什麼都可以沒說這樣就你們不要以為齁加起來過半可以翻轉天下了 |
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你得到必然罰,很苦啦。我再告訴各位,今天這個法案再平常也不夠。你們沒有提版本,哪一個委員會都是一樣的。沒有版本,沒有行政版本,那就審嘛。 |
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有的是等行政版本來,這個不可能有行政版本,所以是立法院帶來共同的討論。這是立法院核心價值嘛,大家都要維持在憲政體制以下來做這個事情。立法院沒有潛力,你一直擴張,坦白講這還是違憲的。 |
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所以今天我要再度強調,不是你們國會刀暴力就決定哪一個法案可以審、哪一個委會可以開,立法院從來沒有如此。大家注意看喔,這一刻正在發生,分析委員你三個東西可以拿出來了,秀一下吧。我看你現在很認真,我真的很認真看你們在幹什麼。 |
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韓中委員請你去背負你的版本,不要什麼義務的國民黨,然後又不講話,走來搖來搖去,沒有用的啊。好,謝謝我們柯委員。接下來請吳委員、施堯、陳學凡,時間3分鐘。 |
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謝謝主席今天是一週的開始希望大家都能夠微笑以對我們正能量的好好來開會真的不希望也不樂見我們國會改革在這一週的新開始又要破功又要被沒收了 |
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司司有兩種要效大不同,開會也有兩種,想討論跟不想討論的兩種開會。立委也有兩種,一種是要沒收自己的審查權,或是要照期間好好開會。 |
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所以要效大不同、效用大不同。立法院要扮演什麼樣子的角色在國人社會面前。我們要再一次說今天的法案沒有爭議性。 |
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我真的非常的訝異其實今天我一早來上班來到國會我的心情是非常的雀躍的因為我想說今天司法法制委員會應當可以好好針對高度有社會共識的議案沒有政治爭議的議案好好來審查可是很遺憾一早恐怕我不曉得還要再在這裡要進行這樣子無謂的拖延審查到什麼時候 |
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舊版本論版本我是民主進步黨國會改革小組的召集人我剛剛也非常負責任的針對今天民進黨提出來的立法院組織法、立法委員行為法以及議事規則做了提案說明我們來看看內容 |
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我們希望立法院要有資通安全處要設資安長這是立法院自己修的法2018年立法院修了資通安全管理法第11條立法院要求臺灣所有的公務機關都要有資通安全長來負責推動監督機關內的資通安全相關事務 |
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我們立法要求別人,我們怎麼可以不檢討自己有沒有落實呢?設定資通安全長來防範所有的資訊作戰,國民黨反對嗎?民眾黨反對嗎? |
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我們立了《性平三法》的修法就在去年我們要讓所有的MeToo都要止步我們是立法委員我們要求各級機關要做到MeToo防止性騷的行為我們要求各級學校都要落實性平工作平等跟教育的內涵為什麼在立法院我們刮別人鬍子不刮自己呢? |
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所以我們終於有機會可以利用國會改革法案討論的時候來研修立法委員行為法。我想問國民黨民眾黨的委員你們要反對MeToo的法案嗎?你們要反對國會反性騷、反歧視、讓性別平等的法案嗎?我希望不是。 |
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又如同我們提出了議事規則的修正就是要強化回應社會的抨擊立法院不能夠再發生由委員利用國家機密審查的秘密會議去吸出秘密的訊息或是對外不當的洩露國家安全 |
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事由．一）民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．一）民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．一）民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．一）民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．一）民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條條文修正草案．一）民進黨黨團擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條條文修正草案．一）民進黨 |
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所以今天的法案都是正面的,都是強化國會改革,沒有政治爭議的。立法院是大家的,立法院不是藍的、不是綠的、不是白的。這樣非常正面回復社會期待的法案為什麼不能審呢? |
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國民黨民眾黨為什麼不審查呢?我希望副總召您週末要帶團可能週四就出發去中國了黃國昌總召也說害怕民進黨發動偷襲所以很好啊我們就趁副總召也在場黃總召也在場柯總召也在場我們一起不要偷襲我們就好好的審查國會改革法案啊 |
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這個禮拜只有134,三天一程。禮拜四副總召可能就帶團出去了。林思明書記長可能也要去。我們不想要讓重要的委員不在場討論啊,把握機會。 |
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案,論法案,國會要改革,立委要開會。再一次重申,請副總召可以收回你們的散會動議啦,這樣真的不好啦,不然社會看到說,米兔的法案,資訊安全法案,或是國家機密安全的這個法案,你們要反對,你們要提散會動議,不讓人信,這社會對國民黨及民眾黨的觀感,會真的不好啦。 |
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好不好我們微笑與對開開心心來開會謝謝大家好接下來我們有請羅志祥委員進行第二次發言時間三分鐘 |
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我在這邊齁要這個對我們的中嘉賓我們的局長齁特別跟你報告一件事情你民進黨英雄內戰啦你們民進黨復仇者聯盟內訌了你知道嗎你會發現齁剛剛我們這個溫委員講到其實今天本來你應該還可以排一個案子也沒進來啊就是賴瑞隆齁民進黨現在已經有人撥亂反正啊直接預言 |
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案。 |
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告知眾家兵委主席應故無法主持會議,應指定該委員會一人代理主席,未指定時由該委員會互推一人為臨時主席。 |
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我們賴瑞隆委員就這樣子用法案來提前還不是及時洗臉還不是事後洗臉是提前就打臉了我們的宗嘉賓主席所以我跟各位說民進黨很愛講議事規則但是民進黨在多數的時候就不跟你講議事規則 |
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民進黨很愛跟你講要充分討論大家多數的時候不管是什麼疫苗的調閱委員會還是今天審查國務及要費的那個會計法的修正案要嘛就是強行表決五分鐘把你會議給你結束掉要嘛甚至也不跟你調閱所以民進黨的所謂的議事規則只有一句話啦民進黨說了算的議事規則啦那今天我們針對所謂散會不散會我這邊直接講 |
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今天我的主張就是今天民進黨要弄議事規則那大家就來弄議事規則 |
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你要搞40次三會動議,國民黨也沒在怕的啦。你可以搞40次三會動議,我們也可以依照一次規則來搞三會動議啊。沒有關係,主席你可以繼續省引。你一樣,如果看到三會動議嚇到跳起來當鋼鐵人跑掉,對不對?我請賴瑞隆過來,當主席。賴瑞隆說他要當主席,雖然他不是司法法制委員會,我們通融一下好不好。 |
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就算賴瑞隆不能,沒關係沒關係,我們會場有一個很適合的人選,審法會委員,為什麼你是連署人?賴瑞隆說,主席落跑的時候,不可以揮一言蕩啊!我們怎麼容許副總統聯盟裡面出一個神盾局局長呢?對不對?我們就請我們的審法會委員,如果你真的再跳起來跑掉的話, |
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按照賴瑞隆精神上去當代理主席所以不要跟我講你們民進黨可以四十次散會然後就把國民黨的一次散會搞得好像非常嚴重 |
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你民進黨先在那邊亂搞意識二搞意識規則在前那我們國民黨基本上我們要主張我們的程序權利啊所以不要把今天過去民進黨齁很多東西你今天五分鐘結束會議叫做民主那國民黨討論六個小時你還去譴責吳宗憲主席 |
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這一點我不能接受啦所以如果說今天按照議事規則你要來去做很多議事規則裡面的一些漏洞來去找文章的話第一個按照賴瑞隆把議事規則不是最後主席為什麼賴瑞隆的東西你沒把它放進來今天的討論啊 |
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那我要特別講阿賴瑞隆的提案很好阿對不對我們也不用等議事規則通過修正阿今天如果說主席在審影的話我們今天就來執行這件事情我提名審發會委員幫代理主席已經遭受檢驗剛剛羅委員的發言當中到底能不能有議事規則阿 |
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賴瑞隆委員他擬具的是立法院各委員會組織法我們今天討論的是立法委員行為法 |
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那我們上週有討論立法院職權行使法那麼委員可以就不同的條文不同的法案不同的名稱可以進行討論那本週呢我們本次會是立法院組織法立法委員行為法以及議事規則以上說明 |
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那如果說受訪委員會的委員有對任何待審的法案有希望排審的我們兩位召委都隨時願意、樂意來設法來安排那接下來我們請黃委員郭昌進行發言時間三分鐘 |
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對於我們在進行程序發言的內容,我大概觀察了,從開議以來觀察了好幾次,發現我們的程序發言已經成為,我也不曉得該怎麼講,恣意的自由搏擊的空間了。到底算不算是程序發言,我是充滿了困惑。 |
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沒有關係,我們尊重每一個委員發言的空間,當然不包括不是他發言的時間,自己坐在下面隨便按麥克風的人。這種嚴重違反,不要說議事規則,基本上面發言的秩序跟理解的,在我們的立法委員行為法裡面,早就有明確規範。 |
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現在的問題是,這些明確的規範根本沒有人要遵守,也沒有人要執行 |
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要不然大家把立法委員行為法現在拿出來看就知道人家在講話的時候沒有輪到他講話字義在下面按麥克風愛講什麼就講什麼進行人生的攻擊跟謾罵這樣子的規則現在定在那裡沒有人要遵守這才是現在最大的問題現在就有的規範根本沒有在遵守 |
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不倫你發言也是站在下面按著麥克風愛說什麼就說什麼在這樣的場景下還在這邊恣意地講立法委員行為法要如何如何我坐在下面一聽我一直覺得非常荒謬第二件事情我們依照目前排審的剛我非常高興聽到主席說跟國會改革相關的法案 |
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要排審的話國民黨也好、民進黨也好兩位召委都很樂意排那我現在就公開講我公開的拜託中國國民黨的召委吳宗憲我也公開的拜託民主進步黨的召委鍾嘉斌台灣民眾黨黨團我們針對立法院卸任院長、副院長禮遇辦法到目前為止從來沒有被排過 |
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事由．立法院組織法部分條文宣告。 |
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那最後我本來看到今天的議程是要邀請司法院秘書長來針對有關於司法體系工作量過高的部分來進行專題報告我看了非常高興因為這段時間身為法律人我的心很痛看到我們的法官看到我們的書記官 |
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因為過勞因為工作負擔過重一個又一個走了一個又一個走了我本來對於今天要排這樣的議程我是高度期待但尊重召委啊 |
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章偉要把禮拜一跟禮拜三排成兩天一次會要審這一些什麼立法院組織法等等的我也都尊重但我看到這個禮拜四還沒有排議成所以我懇請啊懇請慎重的考慮說法制委員會禮拜四還沒有排議成針對我們的法官過勞竟然選擇用這樣的方式來結束自己的生命 |
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我們的書記官也過勞竟然已經過勞死了已經造成了整個司法體系的震動所有的法院發起了白花的運動這件事情絕對值得我們立法院司法法制委員會正視謝謝 |
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謝謝我們黃總召這邊說明一下這個應該也是會議詢問的性質啦那說明一下有關於我們基層司法人員的負荷問題啊我們已經今天上午呢召委這邊已經發出星期三排個專案報告 |
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那至於說新期次的部分,那剛剛呢聽到各位委員希望國會改革的相關法案盡量排進來,那我們也會盡可能的在待會的時間馬上來處理。謝謝我們黃昭偉的說明。好,那麼來,會議群委請。我們今天一直講一個道理就是 |
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為什麼你們要沒收這個委員會?你們為什麼不敢在那個原版本來討論?我多麼期待洪光昌出來打球。結果剛才打了歪球嘛。那講說程序壞,大家都程序壞了嘛。然後你說有時候台下的案在插嘴。其實我是經常克制你講話不要插嘴,所以上台的時候,我一直在聽的。 |
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第二個民進黨的這四國會改革版本總共國會合法修了四個法。唯獨各委員會組織法沒有修。我們現在是審民進黨黨本、黨版。各位要把大量委員的版本拿出來審我沒有意見。至於法官的過勞問題這個是一個非常嚴肅的問題本來就應該排。我今天就我看了半天黃國昌根本沒有真正的問題要回答嘛。 |
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你應該變證說國民黨這個行為到底對不對嘛。國民黨人要審嗎?要審不用審啥。那後面審的時候有時候三位兩次都是核心價值就是不讓人審嘛。不想出來面對問題討論嘛。各位你們好好的面對你們的問題來討論嘛。大家來變證嘛。 |
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總統委員也非常無奈啊。他被副總統委員逼著啊,說你去跟總統說啦,沒辦法。我不相信你們大家都一臉無奈嘛。副總統在那裡,要嚇你。所以各位委員,要扮演自己啊。這歷史來看待這一刻的。不要以為這樣沒用就可以過關的。 |
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到底不是只有一面而已為什麼主席在衝突的時候沒有意見的時候意見不一的時候在三分之一的時候主席會離開這個這種在議會三十年來彼此皆死阿就要講民進黨講阿有好文學 |
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那沒有辦法解決就沒辦法解決每一個天天都要上癮了每一個會議都會上癮了這不是民進黨族創的這黨都要使用這五七個這為什麼?我們希望立法院能夠在委員會好好討論是委員會中心主義就是委員會中心主義這過去法國黨黨上口的東西你今天就用不開胃你們大家要進口這國會是不是變成這樣了? |
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那以後我跟他看你這一刻,你敢傷害我沒有關係以後這個文明和民進黨養和起來,結合這個委員會題目他們不要,又傷害掉有這樣的,你國會嗎?你們不值得羞恥嗎?你暗示要睡嗎?你偷偷想一想這個邏輯對不對? |
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會如此嗎?你用所有的手段嘛,搶他搶他過去嘛。到稍微稍微稍微的時候你們又講說,又不曾保留再表決。到最後的時候你停止壞。我告訴你啦,你越要干預這個事情,別人越會注意。整個國家社會氛圍在你們這兩個月內,把國家走向完全改變。天地頂倒。 |
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難免會喊不來。我禮拜六就講了一句話是無恥之餘辦法的國會難保第二次三一八運動不會再崛起。本席今天真的是又在大開眼界 |
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我想柯總召有點時空的錯亂因為新的綠色恐怖民進黨威權可以肆意妄為持續的來碾壓在野黨沒有想到天網恢恢終於有一天雖然民進黨執政國會終於沒有辦法再霸權統治 |
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我們看在柯總召的帶領之下過去八年完全擬壓在野黨什麼申訴的管道完全都沒有連把人民啊生命的安全啊都能夠肆意的去炒作啊該買的疫苗不買然後去炒作高端讓全民打安慰劑再謀取不法暴力然後呢 |
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當在野黨提出要成立調閱委員會在110年3月18號要成立調閱委員會還是在野黨趁著執政黨人數不在的時候突襲成功在委員會成立啊通過成立調閱委員會馬上 |
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三月十八日成立,三月二十二日,民進黨立刻在未完委員會人數優勢刪除這個當時的調閱小組的提案。再過來,再過來,在野黨要求朝野協商,在朝野協商依然沒有什麼回應。一直到了一個多月以後,到110年四月二十七日, |
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終於全民沸騰全民沸騰以後民進黨才開始重視到民意的反撲才同意一週內成立調閱委員會終於在117年4月29號衛韓委員會的community調閱委員會疫苗採購調閱委員會才終於成立然後5月5號 |
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由民進黨策動由陳委員擔任召集委員然後從此就沒有開過一次會這個就是民進黨他們所有的民主、次元民主全民的生命都被他踐踏在腳下還有臉在這裡講民主還要318我覺得柯總召啊你真的瘋了 |
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你真的瘋了!I'm watching you!你真的瘋了!真的!這個人吼!帶領了民進黨!因為可以威權繼續的下去!好!在野黨講的話不愛聽! |
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叫搞群眾運動叫來霸佔立法院這種王權思想啊腐敗的封建思想到今天還在立法院今天所有在野黨都是按照議事規則民進黨做的就是議事規則在野黨做的就不是議事規則就在那威脅恐嚇 |
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案（二）委員高金素梅等23人擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案．立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案． |
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真的讓我們覺得非常的難看到今天為止你要想佔領立法院門都沒有啦在這裡啊新民意就會對你們反撲謝謝齁 那個在接下來委員曾群發言之前齁請榮主席啊這邊齁我先宣讀一下我們行為法的一些規範好不好這個嫌疑問題 |
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皇宗悔戚,瓦夫列民啊。胡文綺這樣講了半天喔。我跟你講,你說你曾經在電台上,在公眾場所說我有躁鬱症。那時候我回答,回答記者怎麼講。北宋的時候有一個非常有名大師侯韻。他說你心中想什麼,就是,就講他的話就是如此。你心中充滿著煩。 |
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好民主嘛 惡權霸道嘛你以為 台北市發言啊 大家講清楚喔你說剛才所講的 潔黑事實根本是你心中 完全不有一邏輯的東西一直在想的東西 你講得出來你這個北區就任何人身攻擊我是跟你講說齁 應該適可而止啦齁 我真的請告訴你齁 |
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我現在講清楚所謂疫苗採購不能掉月當初不能掉月的時候是一期多少錢嘛後來我找黃泰總召說黃泰啊這個有跟國會議長做簽約保命條款我們現在一把公報公布出來會影響以後我們所有疫苗採購啊然後黃泰總召這樣我叫他給你看那你辛苦就好了你敢看嗎 |
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你們才講的話所以這個裡面有什麼弊案全部給你看那是這個國際採購我們那時候在搶疫苗欸那年5月3號郭台銘跟郭台銘真的搞了一個月買VNT疫苗那經過多少坎坷的事情整個疫苗那時候要疫苗的時候你們在賣在講說像乞丐疫苗等等那國民們健康做政治鬥爭這一段難道不清楚嗎 |
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到最後,上個會期,前幾天,因為真的廠商同意,後來才又重新再又重新再開專案報告。所以過去,我們要講清楚,不是你們說的這樣。你們只要想無所不用其極來破壞執政。你們現在再也想執政,把國家全部顛倒。 |
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你還可以上來講如此的話我一直想說你們上來就要論對問題來直球對決黃國昌又跑了我都不期待剛才黃國昌講話的時候是針對法案來講要給我扁下去法案過了之後我們一排還有什麼好說的當然我很清楚這個事情嘛 |
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從來沒有針對這本案,沒有用私資核心教育來談。不然是你敢談你的法案嗎?我會給他法案,叫他出來打球嘛。要跟我們拚下去,跟我們國際殺,要跟我們民進黨那一套。怎麼說,有時候貪腐,貪腐你就去檢舉啊。你現在活在這種民粹底下,你們要從神起卵。 |
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我不是鼓勵說這個318,我是從這個引誼出來。因為禮拜六參加318十周年的座談會,很多人都很感慨。我說此時此刻的台灣,它在十年前的318反基民根本不合法,那時候是反紅帽。 |
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韓國瑜議員 |
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最後我希望大家發言的時候,因為條件沒有刺激委員會。我們這一次審查是民進黨黨版。民進黨黨版沒有所謂各有問題組織法。 |
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本席在這裡希望我們委員注意到立法院 |
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立法委員行為法第七條（立法委員因秉持禮興奮症共同維護議場及會議秩序不得有下列行為。首先非常感謝不管是吳釗偉還是本席主持會議來本委員會目前並沒有第八款攜帶危險物品也並沒有第六款占據主席台或阻撓議事之進行也並沒有破壞公務或暴力之肢體動作 |
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那都非常謝謝我們委員在本次本屆我們建立這樣的良好規範那目前也沒有對依法行使職權議事人員做出不當的要求或干擾所以我們議事人員在這裡呢都能夠順利的依照他們的職權來依法來行使但是呢有些情況那麼還是希望大家盡量配合第四款 |
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為得主席同意擦顏干擾他人發言而不聽制止那主席這邊在處理是盡量的只要大家在一個寬容的範圍內大家互相尊重那麼還有發言超過時間不聽主席制止那我也跟大家報告不管時間是兩分鐘、三分鐘、四分鐘、八分鐘或八加二那主席盡量的會用明示或暗示的方式讓委員知道時間到 |
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另外我們也提醒大家第二款入罵或涉及人身攻擊之延遲在這裡不管是對於主席本席本人或是對於其他的發言委員或其他的在場委員我們希望大家盡量避免有入罵或涉及人身攻擊之延遲以上這十款大概就是我們立法委員行為法第七條所規範 |
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那謝謝各位委員這段時間對於相關的款項都能夠落實遵守那相關的款項也希望大家盡量的能夠互相的體諒那在這裡因為剛剛有會議詢問那所以我在這裡針對我們會議主持的散會的動議的情況跟大家做一些我們議事規則的說明那立法院我們議事規則這裡面 |
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說到第26條議事日程所列之議案亦必或散會時間已屆主席及宣告散會那最常見的我們上午的時間是到12點下午的時間是到5點半所以如果上午時間到12點還在進行討論還沒進行完畢那主席會先做個宣告正的同意我們延長超過12點 |
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那至於下午的五點半那如果沒有經過處理五點半時間一到就自動散會又或者說在五點半之前討論的議案討論完畢那就會自然散會因此在這種情況之下不管是五點半到了還是討論的事情一閉了就自然散會沒有必要提散會動議 |
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議員高金素梅等23人擬具:「立法院組織法第三十二條條文修正草案案 案件及法制委員會第11屆第15次全體委員會第15條條文修正草案 案件及法制委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第15次全體委員會 |
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案,只要提出來通過之後該日所排定的議程就通通不能討論了。所以三會動議的威力在我們我們議學當中、議事規則當中它是一顆原子彈。它的目的就是在三會時間屆滿之前將現場的議案轟炸完畢。通通不能再進行討論一片廢墟。該日的議程就不能討論了。所以呢我們會三會動議的提出各黨都特別的謹慎。 |
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那至於什麼是空包蛋如果散會動議提出表決失敗的話那他只是延長議案交付表決的時間因為散會動議不需要討論所以不管誰散會動議通過還拼命的提不斷的提那只是延宕主席處理議案完畢的時間那至於上週有 |
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黨團對於當日的輪值主席在進行處理議案的時候不斷的提出不會成功的散會動議那只是讓主席處理當日的議程一直延宕到四點才能夠完成全案我要強調的未經表決 |
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案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案． |
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案件一、民進黨團提出要延長開會時間超過五點半至當日晚上十二時為止,那就是要繼續討論。一個是國民黨團所提出要求散會。事實上當日的時間五點半時間屆滿,如果未經延長就自動散會。所以呢上週四 |
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在本席回來處理散會動議的那個當下其實已經散會時間已屆只要民進黨團的研會動議沒有通過就自然散會其實也不知道在多做什麼那由於散會動議具有空爆彈的性質只是延宕主席處理現在討論議案的程序不具有 |
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．立法院組織法部分條文修正草案． |
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我們剛剛提的案子也不去審理。 |
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來 新主席我休息協商齁 休息就休息 總長不要西海羅盤啦 接下來協商啦 不用西海羅盤啦主席你坐好好不好 你坐好 我提案子啦 很顯然跟老公讓這個會開 對不對 |
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那以後又要收委會,國民黨和民眾黨加起來人數夠的話,會冒出收委會。各位想一想喔。那過國會期為什麼提三個中議的時候主席會離開?最好像1997年修憲的時候,對於行政黨局不信任案,當然要解散國會,總統解散國會之前。這是千萬不要死。那竟然今天國民黨執意要散會的話, |
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我是覺得要讓這個歷史的紀錄留下來,我們就面對好了好不好,不用再休息了,要面對了好協商結束,現在繼續開會那個是不是有黨團 |
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因為待會要處理會議的程序問題所以我們給一點時間讓各黨團希望能夠參與表決處理程序的人都到場那在這個時間之前我大概說明一下目前在場有兩個一個是臨時提案叫做討論方式的動議是由提案人翁曉琳委員等包括胡錦旗委員、黃國昌委員包括黃國昌委員三位提出 |
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有建於委員會主席能透過宣布會議休息,但卻不宣布休息截止時間,來刻意規避議事進行,為避免委員會召委肆意濫權,延宕本委員會議事運作。 |
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案,影響列出席政府官員辦公時間。提案要求主席宣布會議休息時應明定休息起泣時間。如主席超過休息結束時間20分鐘,未到場退戶開會,本會議自動散會。這個要去問2月20號開會那天韓國瑜怎麼指定會?休息以後?自動散會齁?這個目的就是?這個更不可行嘛! |
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這個請去修改議事規則啦,不要用委員會決議啦。可能大家不清楚,這個臨時提案。以後就在野黨什麼武器、少數黨什麼武器都會用。我現在還沒有梳理齁,我要說明一下。這個動議的目的,就是要讓會議散會。 |
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還不經表決就散會那麼這樣的一個動議呢如果有人數優勢當然也可能處理但因為他是以臨時提案的方式依照我們的慣例要等到今天的提案說明、詢答、討論到一段落的時候我們會進行 |
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主席,主席齁,我要特別講,帶風向我不能接受啦,我要特別講一下,我還是要講,我還是要講啊,我還是要講,剛剛在那邊講那麼多,你總級你今天掛在上面就沒有什麼問題啦! |
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來,我們要有個三位動議。這個三位動議是由護軍級委員提出,包括羅志強、翁曉琳、謝榮介跟林思明。三位動議,針對本日會議四月二十二議程,建請依立法院議事規則第26條、57條的規定,提議三位示威勇當進行公決。這是由國民黨六人所提出來的三位動議。那麼依照規定, |
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我剛剛也宣布過了人數過半具有人數優勢或過半的黨團提出尚未動議就是原子彈把現場的所有議案一次轟平今天這個多了今天的議案就通通不用討論了包括黃國昌委員所關心的不過沒關係那個星期三我會排我們司法人員的負擔問題我會排那我們也希望說是不是事後今天這個政政以後只要在場的提案 |
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今天的三個議案包括立法委員行為法包括立法院組織法包括立法院的議事規則到底是哪個法案哪個內容哪個條文讓國民黨這六位委員認為這些提案今天不需要討論決定要用上會動議讓主席一 |
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會議一致規則將他一致轟平。那我們現在開始進行處理。現在進行表決,三位動議現在進行表決,採用舉手表決。表決前先清點在場出席委員人數。那在場出席委員,不算我嘛,不算主席12人,現在開始表決,暫時請舉手。 |
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反對者五人,請放下。棄權一人。我再說明一次 |
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