| IVOD_ID |
158359 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158359 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-23 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-20-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
20 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
財政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-23T09:21:25+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-23T09:32:15+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:50 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/22e1e1eefcdc7a98fc88440cf4aa66acc24503a7538def0615d69c0b6ad2f3db1da20d41cb0576d55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
林德福 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:21:25 - 09:32:15 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-23T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請財政部莊部長翠雲、金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆就「兆豐金控及臺灣證券交易所投資之台北金融大樓股份有限公司2024年營運成效、2025年度經營計畫與展望、暨跨年晚會煙火表演規劃」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好,卵次長,跟林德福委員齁,那個...因為立法院通過上個禮拜財化法修正案那媒體報導,財政部啊,申表遺憾那我請問卵次長,面對立法院多數席次 |
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立委要求財政部提出修法的版本而且我們有做過主決議已經經過半年說這個新會期財政部一定要提出來但財政部對面對多數的民意可以說置之不理那我認為說通過以後你才來說聲表遺憾你們會不會認為感到羞愧會不會 |
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跟委員報告齁那麼財劃法這一部分啊因為涉及到財源的分配這個齁我都很清楚我認為阮市長你認為會不會感到很羞愧嘛不會啊不會齁因為這個東西我覺得應該涉及到資源的分配我統計過那個阮市長 |
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在113年度今年度到年底最少超徵4900億112年超徵多少3860億111年超徵5237億然後110年超徵4237億總共4年加起來一兆8000多億平均每年超徵多少呢4500億我跟委員報告 |
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我跟委員報告我們雖然剛才委員提到的是總預算裡面的稅收的時增數超過預算數但是如果我們把總預算跟特別預算合併來算的話我們這幾年幾乎都是赤字啊你特別預算不能併在裡面你不要再跟我來這一套我跟你講喔 阮次長我很尊重你但是喔 我很清楚特別預算就是排除整個預算那你 |
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來,我請教,來,我有一個片子讓你看,來,那個是不是把它播放?臺北看天下,不顧地方一個生死,那如果不是的話是說,任何一個副主席的總統都不應該把我們在這次發展的這個發展,放在一邊都不一樣,一天只能說一些有的沒的,我認為這是不應該的,為了讓我們的發展,大家來倒下手,要求他們花錢2028年,貴啊好,要求啊好,這個財化法和公債法都已經通過, |
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這個情況更加讓高雄市未來的財政更加的困難非常不公平的對高雄市是一種懲罰如果財劃法不改變那麼中央跟地方的關係就像是一個峻層的關係今天我們最大的訴求這一次的財劃法一定要優先排進去所以我們認為最優先應該是財政收入保護法今天我們民進黨怎麼可能再讓這個議題讓馬來西亞再回分 |
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所以我們認為這次林子維財政法是一個很重要優先法案不是你馬英九拿三十幾個簡單的法案來讓你投訴來一目了視的在這上面我就說服而已我們要讓馬英九很清楚財政法是民進黨黨派永遠第一優先法案這就是我們的立場 |
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當年我在編預算的時候常常是徹夜南北半夜醒過來是全身冷汗從我當主席以來第一件事就是把民進黨執政縣市長約請來黨中央一起大聲的呼籲要趕快通過財政收支化分化這不只是民進黨的問題現在更從藍營的縣市長也紛紛跳出來可知這是不分藍綠的而 |
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好我相信齁從這些影片大家清清楚楚 |
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律營這些過去當過首長的換了個位置就換了個腦袋那本席是認為說今天修訂財劃法是讓這個因為地方講實在話很多縣市首長 |
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今天我認為說 |
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因為財政部用中央積極支援地方財政的這個立場來透過中央統籌分配稅款搭配一般性的補助款以及計畫型的補助來益助地方財源難道現在的執政黨我們各位官員這個就是最好的政策嗎 |
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跟委員報告我們財政部不會反對財化法來修正但是我們是希望要充分的討論我跟委員報告過去我們但是充分討論 |
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要你們提版本你們根本連版本都不提嘛我先跟委員報告幾個數字我們對中央政府對地方政府的依註到114年是達到超過1兆151億那麼這一次沒有經過充分討論的情況之下又額外釋出3753億然後呢第一般的博出款又不能夠往下降 |
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所以在這種情況之下一定會衝擊到中央的施政而且會影響到對地方的協助的能力所以說行政院批評財務法修正後中央政府的國庫會變得空虛未來天災來臨時地方政府要自行的等於是具勇敢面對 |
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那我請問次長卓院長對國庫空虛這麼有感受那為什麼沒有辦法體會到地方政府也需要這個虛權的控及就是非常需要錢他們真的是嗷嗷待哺已經到了無以復加的地步才會因應其判財化法的修法 |
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你有什麼看法跟委員報告卓院長他有發布聲明他說他的發言有被這個斷章取義了但是我們可以想我們現在對中央政府的資源已經達到超過一兆以上如果再額外釋出3753億的話一定會弱化對地方財政的資源 |
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那這幾年一直超增,難道你這個都沒有考量進去嗎?連續四年喔!而且超增一兆八千多億喔! |
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所以說你認為說錢放在自己的身上才有安全感這種狀況是中央政府應該有的心態嗎? |
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我是覺得我們我剛才一直在講財化法不是不能修而是要大家充分溝通但是已經給你們一次又一次而且在立法院一樣在這個地方做過主決議但是你們直直不理阿現在又去行政院開記者會阿對不對我是覺得這樣阿在討論過程當中執政黨委員在這邊也充分表達意見 |
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但是好像一直都沒有被接受管事長難道中央要集權又集錢地方政府要透過這個搖尾起聯才能夠讓我們掌權掌權的關愛眼神現在這樣是我們執政黨應該奉行的聖經嗎 |
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我跟委員報告我們這個叫財政收支劃分分我知道啊也就是說你在分的時候跟支就要同時要考慮也就是說權跟錢要同時要考慮那只有釋放3000多億所以財政部全中央並沒有集權的問題 |
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沒有局前大家看在眼裡這些縣市首長為什麼剛剛那個影片難道你沒有看嗎對不對這個都是齁那些影片都是他們在包括前院長蘇貞昌包括歷任很多縣市首長他們的心聲啦尤其 |
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賴總統他在當總統以前在台南市長這是他講的話我們是把他的話帶到今天讓大家來瞭解你不要換了一個位置就換了個腦袋而且真的很多我們地方的縣市他們真的苦哈哈的而且講實在話這個是不分藍綠因為財化法修訂以後每個縣市 |
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就照財化法的規定該給要給那你行政院長又說以後的災害中央完全沒有責任然後又帶到什麼教育啦什麼國防啦講實在話我認為像這樣的官員真的實在是換了位子換了腦袋又來欺騙老百姓是很不應該那你今天早上又去開記者會我看要看他看記者會內容怎麼講 |
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我跟委員報告就是我們的對中央對地方的採取的依註從民國103年那時候才5000多億但是現在成長到114年到超過一兆以上所以這一部分中央從來沒有集錢跟集權所以基本上我們充分來支援那你釋放給地方讓地方能夠自主哪裡不好啊所以我就覺得要錢跟權要同時討錢要你們提換你們也不提 |
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然後這個甚至於啊反正我認為說啦我看他今天那個記者會和他內容怎麼講我認為齁這個已經修過了你們要提各種方法去抵觸沒有關係我們再看好了謝謝謝謝委員謝謝德福接著請吳秉瑞委員發言 |