| IVOD_ID |
15835 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15835 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-22 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-22T08:30:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-22T12:30:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:00:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ea2af675131898e7336425655b8120616f3be8d109af184be49ced1ec6a38787ba5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-22T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計8案。
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結書面報告案計1案。
三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。
四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結書面報告案計2案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:00 - 12:30:00 |
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好,現在我們這個同仁,現在請主任秘書報告出席人數。報告委員會出席委員13人以主法定人數。好,現在我們繼續開會,我們現在開會進行報告事項,請先讀上次會議意思錄。 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議一事錄時間113年4月17日星期三下午14時12分至14時48分地點紅龍202會議室出席委員麥玉珍委員等14人 |
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主席高金召集委員素梅報告事項依循讀上次會議議事錄決定確定討論事項討論立法院內政委員會數位身份證換發政策及預算執行調閱小組運作要點草案本日會議由委員徐宇貞等8人及委員吳啟明等6人提出立法院內政委員會數位身份證換發政策及預算執行調閱專案小組運作要點草案等2案並案審查 |
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決議一、立法院內政委員會數位身份證換發政策及預算執行調閱專案小組運作要點明稱趙委員、徐宇貞等8人提案及委員吳啟明等6人提案通過通過如下一、趙委員、徐宇貞等8人提案通過二、趙委員、吳啟明等6人提案通過三、趙委員、徐宇貞等8人提案及委員吳啟明等6人提案通過 |
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四、趙委員徐毅臻等8人提案通過五、趙委員徐毅臻等8人提案通過六、趙委員徐毅臻等8人提案及委員吳啟明等6人提案通過七、趙委員吳啟明等6人提案通過八、趙委員吳啟明等6人提案通過九、趙委員徐毅臻等8人提案及委員吳啟明等6人提案通過十、趙委員徐毅臻等8人提案通過十一、趙委員徐毅臻等8人提案通過 |
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十二、趙委員徐毅臻等8人提案第13點及委員吳啟明等6人提案第12點通過。 |
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十三、照委員吳啟明等6人提案通過。十四、照委員徐玉珍等8人提案第15點及委員吳啟明等6人提案第14點通過。十五、照委員徐玉珍等8人提案第16點及委員吳啟明等6人提案第15點通過。二、委員徐玉珍等8人提案第12點不予採納。三、推舉高金委員遂沒擔任本小組召集人。宣讀完畢。 |
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請各位委員上次的會議議事錄有錯誤或遺漏沒有好沒有我們都議事錄確定那繼續進行報告事項和討論事項請先讀嗯 |
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報告事項一、宣讀上次會議議事錄二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結案計8案。三、處理113年度中央政府總預算有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結書面報告案計1案。討論事項一、審查113年度中央政府總預算有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 |
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二、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 |
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報告事項第二案,處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結案計8案。報告事項第三案,113年度中央政府總預算案有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結案一案。經理送書面報告或使得通知。那這案以委員報告以書面 |
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報告已經提送請各位委員有沒有預算得以動之提報院會。有沒有意見。沒有。好。那沒有我們就稍微意思錄。那預算得以動之提報院會。 |
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本路議程所討論事項合併審打。現在我來介紹在場的委員及列席的官員。在場的委員有我們王美惠委員還有我們黃婕委員 |
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介紹官員行政院秘書長李夢彥李秘書長謝謝外交國防法務處副處長陳永志好謝謝交通環境資源處處長陳以龍陳寧龍教育科學文化處處長吳敬儒 |
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姓北平等處處長吳秀珍新聞傳播處處長邱肇平消費者保護處處長鍾瑞蘭人權及轉型正義處副處長石埔 |
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公共關係處處長莊麗蘭主計處處長李秋香食品安全辦公室主任許甫能源及檢探辦公室科長黃景明打擊詐騙辦公室主任李憲明 |
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中部聯合服務中心執行長 喜定珍銀礁欄聯合服務中心執行長 喜根衛藍部聯合服務中心副執行長 陳慧琳 |
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東部聯合服務中心執行長 洪宗懿 洪宗凱 洪宗凱不好意思金門聯合服務中心執行長楊尚德個人資料保護委員會籌備處主任李士德 |
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不當黨產委員會主任委員林鋒正主委行政組組長陳仁光主計員黃燕珍行政院主計總處公務預算處檢任視察李培源 |
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好謝謝這是以上我們類型的官員。好那我們現在進行進行報告請行政院長李孟彥秘書長來報告。好謝謝 |
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主席、各位委員、女士、先生、大家早安首先感謝各位委員先進給予本院的支持和協助僅代表陳院長向各位委員致上最高的謝意有關本院113年度凍結預算緊究施政及法治業務等兩案書面報告、辦理情形、檢要說明敬請各位委員指教一 |
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各決議提案內容及本院說明施政及法制業務凍結一百萬是行政院向貴委員會提出警察不在籍投票之推動情形等書面報告後使得動之一、警察不在籍投票之推動情形本院已經在113年2月22日將《全國性公民投票不在籍投票法》草案重行送請貴院審議 |
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該草案規劃以移轉投票方式實施公投不在籍投票,投票權人可申請在戶籍地以外之四縣投票,適用對象包括警消人員,為為確保政策成功實施及避免社會疑慮,已於全國性公民投票推動後是實施狀況,作為未來其他選舉制度之參考。 |
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令移轉投票以外之投票方式,如電子或網路投票等,因涉及電池記錄傳輸及儲存方式等安全性的問題,將請相關機關研議投票技術之吃通安全法規制度等,並視社會凝聚共識後,在務實推動修法作業。 |
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二、接避者保護法制定情形法務部前移於109年2月20日函報《接避者保護法》法案。事經本院進行5次的審查會議,該部業於113年3月4日再次呈報,是本院院會討論通過後送請貴院審議。 |
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該草案制定重點包括規範接避範圍、受理接避機關、接避者、接避程序、禁止不利措施原則、不利措施定義、舉證責任分配、救濟內容與程序、報復性行為人之責任、接避者人身安全之保護等 |
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考量公部門制度較為完善新年度要求也高為尊重公司治理並降低企業衝擊政策定調為公部門先行私部門則採行政指導未來再逐步擴及私部門的法制化 |
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2504.2 |
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令法務部聯政署已於中英文網站設置戒避者保護專區公開本草案的條文、立法進度委託研究報告及會議資料等供各界閱覽以鼓勵公眾參與提升本草案的資訊透明度 |
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三、國家氣候變遷調適行動計劃辦理情形本院願於112年10月4日核定國家氣候變遷調適行動計劃預計投入經費4116億 |
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工作項目包括126項,由環境部依照氣候法規定需篆擬國家調試年度成果報告,送本院核定。該報告亦將通盤檢討調試策略之推動重點與方向,將可有效落實本計劃。 |
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建全租屋市場以保障租客權益現行不動產經濟業就居兼凍結或成交的租賃案件需辦理實價登錄另外租賃市場發展及管理條例業餘112年9月1日修正實施 |
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增訂包租業轉租案例案件應納入這個申報實價登錄,以擴大租訊資認的揭露,同時縮短包租代管業提供租認企業資訊之期程,及時地掌握租認的資訊,並逐步地演繹擴充租認實價登錄適用範圍。 |
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透過實價登錄、包租代管、租金補貼等資訊政府目前已經掌握了大概五成的租屋資料約40萬.8筆的有效租約未來會透過這個部分來研議怎麼樣的加強申報還有加強租屋市場的管理以保障租客、租屋者的相關權益 |
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第五,我國少子女化對策計畫推動情形本院已建立跨部會的運作機制由上而下整合教育部、衛福部、勞動部等11個部會資源推動我國少子女化對策計畫1、2及1、1、3主要精進的策略包括放寬育兒津貼、托育補助的補助條件與額度、調降托嬰中心照顧比 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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二、第九目新聞傳播業務凍結50萬是行政院向貴委員會提出打詐、策略等書面報告後使得凍資。這個部分包括一、持續要求各部會加強與金融、電信及網路等業者協力合作,發揮煮炸、煮卻及查緝的功能,包括試詐。 |
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由內政部檢證署持續關注揭露新興的詐騙手法讓民眾了解納入宣傳2、堵詐國家通訊傳播委員會實施攔阻外來外貿電話國際來話的影音警示攔阻惡意簡訊等措施並且跟電信業者合作從源頭阻斷詐騙的訊息 |
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訴發部也建議111政府專屬短碼簡訊平台,使民眾容易辨識政府的簡訊,降低詐騙的機會。厲3、主詐金管會強化電子支付帳戶,降低冒名申辦 |
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強化銀行提供虛擬賬號服務的管控精進零貴的關懷提問阻止匯款降低民眾財產損失針對違法投資廣告訂定實名制及下架機制包括遊戲點數的防詐機制降低詐騙的件數懲詐法務部統籌檢調機關強力掃蕩詐騙犯罪 |
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透過偵審、移交、法院審查、審判等,減少民眾財產損失2、耿旭落實打詐綱領1.5版並召開跨部會打詐策略平台會議本院將持續折騰相關機關針對詐騙趨勢之守法 |
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等延伸因應的法律跟技術從這個通訊流、人流及金流壓制詐騙減少這個接觸、誤信跟損害等刪減的目標有關上開各項被凍結的預算那懇請各位委員同意解除凍結逼利本院能夠順利推展各項的業務謝謝好謝謝我們李孟燕秘書長的報告 |
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那下一位我們請我們的不當黨產主委來進行報告。好,謝謝主席。各位女士各位先生大家早。 |
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今天應邀列席大院內政委員會,是就本會的113年度的預算凍結提出報告,懇請予以支持解凍,以利業務推動。依照大院審議本會113年度的預算案所做成凍結預算的決議,一共凍結兩目三案。凍結金額大概是300萬元。以下請就各凍結案說明。 |
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第一有關本會整體預算編列5093萬被凍結100萬元部分本會在調查及處理政黨負責組織及其收入管理人不當取得的財產時都是來遵守黨產條例的規定來執行其中就聽證程序之鑑於本會都是依本條例的14條還有本會的舉行聽證因情注意事項 |
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來辦理在聽證程序均提供當事人及利害關係人陳述意見提出證據的機會並邀集專家學者提供專業意見本會使綜合調查及聽證所發現之事實為不當取得財產的認定及處分 |
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如對於本會經聽證所為之處分有所不符依照本條例16條的規定可以依照行政徵訟來尋求司法的救濟相關規定都與行政程序法相關的規定符合本會依前該規定鑒於程序以充分保障當事人及利害關係人的法律上的權益符合正當法律程序第二有關本會 |
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預算的第一幕一般行政向下凍結100萬元的部分說明如下本會是依據黨產條例成立的行政機關為落實政府資訊公開加深人民對黨產處理工作之理解致力於推動相關議題的教育推廣辦理講座出版相關業務又依照教育部在112年2月20號核定頒布的國家轉型正義教育行動綱領著重鼓勵學校發展轉型正義人權教育相關教材教案 |
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所與新竹高中合辦活動透過轉型正義的教學活動意見交流分享並無行政不中立之情勢 |
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第三點有關本會第二幕黨產處理業務向下凍結100萬元的部分說明如下因為各國民主轉型過程政治情勢跟歷史經驗都不盡相同為了廣泛深入並精確的理解各國相關法治還有實務經驗的異同還有成因實在有必要就各國民主化的過程黨產處理轉型正義等相關的議題持續進行國際研討交流作為我國黨產處理相關法令解釋職權行使之參考 |
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本會將持續精進相關議題的研究以上為本會113年度預算凍結的報告懇請各委員支持解除凍結使各項業務能夠依照規劃內容進行並順利推展敬請各位委員先進指教謝謝 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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現在我們進行審查我們委員執行前原例做以下幾點先告本會委員發言時間6分鐘必要延長2分鐘會本會委員發言6分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記因為今天預算處理本會會議就不處理臨時提案請各位委員有沒有意見 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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秘書長,我不知道秘書長在前一陣子有沒有看到新聞報導有人說這個是我們國家兒童未來館的新建就是選舉才浮上來的選舉服管我不知道秘書長有沒有看到這個新聞對,我看到有一些外界的誤解 |
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3117.016 |
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議長,其實這一個早就核定了總經費達到165億那我如果沒有記錯的話我們蘇貞昌院長也親自主持了 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon 秘書長,您大概說一下,我知道細部你一定不了解,但這個是不是我們積極在推動的一個政策?是,我想這個是已經院正式核定的計畫,也列為重要的列管推動的計畫,所以這個是既定的政策,而且不會改變。 |
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3166.237 |
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現在的執行進度有沒有落後?他是這樣本來是要考慮整個用統包的方式來招標那文化部使得部長評估起來覺得因為整個未來館的這個科技展示的科技日新月異 |
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﹐一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2﹐一﹐一 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。breviation of Procedure of Procedure of Procedure of Procedure of Procedure |
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這個像啊這個我們現在都知道國家兒童未來館他現在只是籌備處啦齁那其實啊國家漫畫博物館跟鐵道博物館他們都有專屬的網頁所以進度大家都會知道我的意思不是說我們還要再成立一個新的網頁其實不需要 |
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但文化部應該在他們的文化部的網頁上這個是這麼一個重大的一個建設165億有列管的文化部是不是應該適時的在他們文化部的網頁上這個進度到哪裡要更新要讓大家知道我覺得如果這樣做的話問題就沒有了啦是不是 |
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這我們來對文化部來做這個要求對啊我一直認為這個其實一個很簡單的事情他也不用再成立一個新的網頁文化部他本身自己部裡面的網頁就可以來做這件事了好不好好可以啦可以這我們來處理好謝謝那秘書長您請回我請那個林主委 |
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主委,其實我們這個不當黨產其實是蠻辛苦做了很多不過我這邊有一個要請教一下雖然有很多是法令、程序上的問題但我們有的收回來的我們有沒有盡快想辦法把它活用 |
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按照促轉條約的規定,黨產收回之後在行政院成立了促轉基金。那促轉基金現在是國發會來主管。所以相關的資金的運用由國發會來召集他們來處理。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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對我們也知道會有這個問題所以我們也是希望我們也會因為那個出產基金有個管理的委員會我們也有一席的委員我們會去表達我們的意見那當然還是要那個委員會來決定 |
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我覺得你們的意見非常重要欸你們在這邊有沒有據理力爭說我們既然收回來了你收回來如果在那邊不使用其實讓全國的民眾人民啊會有另外一種不好的觀感啊你收回來結果放在那邊養蚊子啊或者讓他壞 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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我當然知道啦齁啊這個很複雜啦齁有的財產收回來是國有的是齁全部都是國有的那有的是中央主管機關有的是地方政府是那如果是中央主管機關的話要配合應該是比較好配合啊如果是地方政府可能是不好配合會不會有這種情況譬如說金山青龍黃中心就有類似的狀況齁 |
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對我現在就我舉一個齁一樣齁是在新北一個在板橋的這個我們的這個放送所你應該知道嘛齁啊放送所這個是啊中央政府齁其實這個放送所是在板橋那個那個原來是中廣的一個電台沒錯啊那這個是之前交通部 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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同樣的在新北主委你剛說的是金山活動中心當然土地是新北市政府的所以現在丟在那邊也不能用也不什麼然後地方所有的地方的里長或什麼大家會覺得你好好的東西放在那邊至少也可以給我們金山的人去用或什麼的聲音就出來 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon 因為在收回來在收的時候新北市政府就表達說希望要整體的規劃利用因為土地是新北市政府然後建物是國產署在管 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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一個很重要的問題我剛講的放送所是一個很好的例子大家都看到了那人家不會管你什麼單位什麼單位民眾也不知道對不對那其實我覺得如果積極協調應該可以解決不然我跟你講我如果是新北市政府我故意我就是給你放在那邊我要整體規劃我可能規劃30年還沒規劃出來那結果你們每天會被罵啊中央政府也每天會被罵謝謝我的提醒這個我們也有注意到那我們會盡力好不好好謝謝 |
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黨產會主委 |
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好林主委好首先請教一個非常基本的問題因為上個月其實國民黨的黨主席他在會議的時候提到說我們執政黨可能會透過黨場會來沒收未來四年他們的政黨補助款然後包括所有的國民黨收入當然這個我相信你們已經澄清過很多次了是不是藉這個機會再跟大家澄清一下你們會追討這些政黨補助款來成為你們的這個合法的 |
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則收入嗎?其實這個事情在黨產會成立之初第一個韓式就在講這個事因為我們也注意到說外界可能會有所誤解所以特別在7年前就提出澄清那個講法很簡單就是說 |
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不當黨產的處理只是針對不當黨產如果你是合法的收入完全不受影響也就是不會成為認為處分跟追徵的對象那裡面當然會包括政黨補助款包括合法的政治獻金包括選舉補助款這一類的全部都是依照現行的法律可以有的收入那從實證的經驗看起來國民黨在過去七八年來有哪一年的政黨補助款被黨產會執行了嗎? |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 INTERVIEWER三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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兩家公司名下有156億的資產。我們現在追討的進度是如何? |
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委員說明一下就是說沒有錯委員剛剛的資訊都是正確的但是有一個部分我們必須要說因為當時提起這個黨產訴訟其實有三個單位一個是國民黨那國民黨的部分就如委員剛剛說在1月20幾號的時候他就敗訴就確定了 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle, |
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所以在我看來應該是樂觀的因為主要的國民黨的部分都已經敗訴都確定另外兩個本來不應該有權利提起訴訟的這個公司應該是不會有太大的問題但希望我們的預判是正確的 |
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OK好謝謝林主委的說明再來我也要請教一下就是接下來啦當然如果接下來半年可能還會來來回回那中等其他兩個單位現在上訴的結果出來之後那我們接下來會如何使用這一些促轉基金喔因為我比較想知道的是最後啦真的這兩家公司的這一些資產追討回來之後 |
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作為促轉基金,我們是不是會完全的使用在人權相關的推動上面? |
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我剛才也說明過了就是依照出產條例第7條所有周圍的黨產不管他是什麼樣的形式包括不動產包括現金包括公司的股權這個都會回到行政院所設的出產基金那麼他有監管委員會那目前這個出產基金主管的單位是國發會他們會我想會徵詢大家的意見來統一來看要怎麼樣使用做一個比較妥善的規劃好謝謝林主委的說明可以請回座那接下來我們先請人權處副處長 |
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請我們人情處副處長副處長在就位的同時我來先講一下因為其實我們現在2022年的時候內政部有一個條例是推動威權象徵處置的補助作業要點那我有看到你們這樣的要點內容 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 proporting to the public space of the public space of the public space of the public space of the public space of the public space of the public space of the public space of the public space of the public |
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我想請教一下現在問題是卡在哪裡?委員好主席好因為這個補助啊因為有關這個未尋象徵的處置他有很多不同的管有機關包括有中央政府有包括有地方政府 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
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當然另外一個部分是因為現在的這個管有機關裡面有一部分是屬於在像國防部的這個軍營裡面那這部分在國防部前幾個星期的這個輿論裡面也有提到就是說他們在這個整個部隊的傳統上面來講在處置上面需要多所考量 |
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此部分在行政院這邊也都在跟不同的部會之間在做更積極的溝通好這就是我希望來跟你們拜託的就是政院其實應該要更積極的不是被動的就是說我們願意提供補助但是就是要看各地方各單位願不願意申請那其實這樣子我們這件事情轉行政議的進度會非常的怠慢 |
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那最後我要請教一下就是中正紀念堂啦這個已經是老掉牙的題目但是我們還是要有所進度喔因為我還是再拿一下我們高雄的例子我們高雄在2007年17年前當時的陳菊市長現在的陳菊院長就已經把高雄市的中正文化中心改成為文化中心不只是以改名而且把蔣中正的銅像都已經移除了那我不知道說過了17年現在中正紀念堂卻沒有辦法 |
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好,我是希望像是聖兵交接啊這種崇拜的儀式還有同項的拆除這其實都是應該要優先來做的啦那我當然知道說呃行政院在18號的時候有核定通過5月19號是白色恐怖的記憶日那這個當然有助於我們的集體記憶來做轉型正義可是轉型正義就是在跟時間賽跑必須要再次的強調這個時間真的是一刻不得待慢所以我還是希望政院在這整件事情上面可以更積極更加速好嗎 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 INTERVIEWER三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 INTERVIEWER四 |
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律師長早律師長我想今天竟然是您來這裡備詢那我想什麼問題都應該可以問因為行政院國家的事都是行政院的事好那我第一個其實我剛剛要呼應這個張宏祿張委員我一直主張 |
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就是我們中央政府雖然是中央還要接一個地方才會到人民但也正因為這個距離所以中央所做的事務資訊其實是應該要更明白的揭露給人民知道給民眾知道這樣才知道中央的這個層級政府到底做了什麼事啊比如說剛剛張委員剛剛說的這個兒童未來館的興建 |
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是啊,而未來館的興建不但現在在加緊進度當中而且我記得預算也增加許多嘛然後這個建築師也是得到大獎這資訊秘書長知道嗎?是,我有掌握 |
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議員會議 |
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規劃中的都應該要能夠揭露我為什麼這樣講因為其實我自己推動了多年的一個案子在我們樹林區希望能夠有社會住宅並且是能夠是有醫養專區結合進來的這個案子我在網站上就看不到啊 |
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我覺得這是很可惜的一件事情 這個我們另外等一下來討論那在進入到本件這個之前我也想跟這個部長這邊再請教一下部長你就知道說其實既然講到新建中規劃中中央和地方政府的權責的這個部分推動涉宰你知道現在中央和地方推動的速度會是如何嗎這幾年中央和地方以新北台北這樣來講好了是 |
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中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds. |
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中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News. |
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中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。News. |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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﹐一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案﹐一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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哇!啊這個到底他是真的有需要這樣的資料還是是其實他這個速度其實就是因為我們的意見不一致所以有卡關的狀態秘書長你知道我們的社會住宅案件當中有多少就有這樣的狀況嗎?中央和地方不同調所以推動的速度不一樣你有知道這樣的現象嗎? |
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我的了解是確實每個地方政府態度不一致,那有的確實是在速度上、效率上、配合度上都有一些……對,而且這些東西你其實放在檯面上的話,他也可以說得有情有據,有評有據啊,我要求地方的提出交通影響評估, |
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對阿聽起來很合理阿但是你到底要求他要到多細次數要幾次這個就是其中的玄機就是在裡面了嘛所以我們會建議內政部這個定期把各縣市政府的進度來對外公開這就是回到我剛剛說的這個資訊應該要被揭露每一個中央層級地方政府到底都要求哪一些資料要補貼進度是如何要讓民眾可以了解這樣才知道 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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社會住宅的部分是能夠把中央跟地方的權責能夠第一分清楚第二能夠把資訊揭露讓社會公平這是我的要求啊那有跟委員報告目前有一個新的政策就是各縣市政府所開發的譬如說區段徵收區要提供3到5%直轄市要5%那縣的話要3%的土地來作為社宅用地 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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做這個規定來講是非常合情合理的所以呢我也是希望中央能夠就這個規定能夠有更多的彰顯跟資訊討論是那另外對於已經合定的已經正在進行中的新的這些重劃區譬如說像新北就是溫子郡溫子郡嗎我們就直接講明了就是溫子郡啊那麼大的一片內政部會用勸導 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。breviation of Public Information is a very important part. |
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議員議員議員 |
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當我們住在裏面,然後懷孕生小孩,這是國家內建的。 |
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但是等到他6歲要等到決定上小學的學籍到底要不要搬家可能剛好就卡在這個社會住宅的一個更迭的部分因為他6年嘛3再加3延長之後6其實就剛好必須要搬離那這個部分是不是有機會可以有任何的規定讓他可以減油或拖油我想基於對抗少子化的這個部分來講其實各界應該都能夠接受 |
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有育兒需求尤其學齡兒童的這個部分年輕人可能可以多展援或者是再優先我想這個規定社會應該是可以接受的啦因為學籍的部分真的是一個很難處理我到底要不要用這個學籍去就讀小學這個我想秘釀應該自己家裡有小孩很清楚吧是所以我們會再來跟花次請他們把這個部分納入考量好謝謝秘書長謝謝 |
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好,謝謝我們審查會委員執行。下一位我們請劉巡庭委員。好,劉巡庭委員,謝謝。好,謝謝主席。這個秘書長跟打造辦公室有請。好,好,秘書長還有打造辦公室主委。是,委員好。 |
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今天因為討論預算凍結書面報告案因為是總體業務所以其實蠻多都在討論範圍之內本席先就打詐的一個特別案例跟行政院跟打詐辦公室做一個研討這個當然我們都非常同意就是說打擊詐騙你應該各式各樣的手段都要用然後用盡所有的方法重演來處理這個詐騙的問題這我想大家 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle,您今天花時間去檢討說打詐執行的成效大概這幾分鐘的時間也講不清楚但是我要講一個特殊的案例這算是本席選區發生的一個特別的事情也就是說詐騙集團猖獗的間接受害人叫做警示賬戶的存款人這分得出來什麼叫警示賬戶嗎什麼叫這個衍生性管制賬戶嗎要不要簡單說明一下 |
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呃...我是不是請...包括主任說明可以,都可以沒關係比較細節好,跟委員報告所謂的警示賬戶說就是在這個賬戶曾經有過這個詐騙的行為包括這個借用的這個詐騙借用詐騙集團的使用那另外衍生性賬戶就是說那有其他的跟他相關的其他的不同的的這個銀行我們都一併列入管制 |
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也就是說結書帳戶的程度是比較高的嘛,衍生性相對來講它沒有那麼嚴格嘛,對不對?大局長沒錯,方向是這樣子喔。我覺得你講一個個案喔,這個倒霉鬼某A是一位汽車引擎技師,他只是幫客戶B保養汽車,然後當然就保養汽車收錢嘛,所以這客戶B就把這個保養費用轉入A的銀行帳戶。好,這個客戶B啊,他本身是 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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但是明明就是一筆正常的業務交易啊但是A的帳戶也被列成警示帳戶我只是個汽車維修員那麼倒楣做了一個生意因為我的客戶牽涉詐騙結果我自己的帳戶也被設成所謂的警示帳戶很長一段時間都沒有辦法動用啊這個相關的這個款項那遇到這樣的事情大家都求這個當然就循線來處理救濟方式請問啊主任啊這救濟的時候他應該走什麼樣的程序 |
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我們同意他如果說這個金流確實跟詐騙沒有直接的關係那金管會這邊會做一個通融的處置那我們也希望說這個經過查證之後確實沒有關係的所以能夠適度降低的這個賬戶的管制對就是說你剛剛講說當然嘛就是大家會經過適時的查明之後就予以通融處置不過實際上的程序是什麼你清楚嗎 |
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這個細節我比較不了解這個申請人要檢附文件親附這個設定警示戶籍地或限住地的警察分局、偵查隊、刑警大隊請求釐清原委到警察機關去尋求這個幫忙警察就相關的偵查隊或刑警大隊發現有誤設的狀況的時候他要發公文書 |
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凍結書面報告案 |
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這就是程序其實非常複雜那其實當然打仗的方向是好的但是實際上在這個過程中有沒有牽連到很多不相關的人士我覺得這部分政府機關的行政流程方面其實可以做一些討論跟檢討看看有沒有比較簡單辨明的一個方式來處理 |
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因為目前可以通報警視帳戶也就是把你的帳戶鎖起來的單位法院可以、檢察署可以、司法警察機關也可以那一旦列為警視帳戶的時候這個有的時候長達兩年然後剛剛我講的這個行政程序其實是非常繁瑣的那我現在就要問 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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謝謝委員的指教我們對於這個打詐當然要嚴以懲處但是只要跟打詐沒有直接關聯的我們會從輕來發落就是對於這一些如果說能夠提出確切證明然後也能夠詳細說明這個資金流跟詐騙集團沒有關係的話那我們會請金管會對這一部分要適度的放寬今天談的層級當然今天來都是行政院的長官 |
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所以說我想你們對跨部也瞭解內政部警政的作為瞭解金管會或怎麼樣是應該召開一個這個協商的一個平台讓這種讓這種案例他是可以被妥善處理的也就是說也許是用衍生管制的方式就是解凍的時候他相對來講他的這個程序也好標準也好是相對寬鬆的速度要加快其實一般的人民願意會願意配合基於打擊詐騙去配合這個警方調查大家都會配合 |
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但是如果他可以很明確的證明清白的時候我希望在行政流程的過程之中他可以不要那麼繁瑣嘛他又要跑警察又要跑警察局又要跑銀行中間還要等他的公文往返那這個速度來講我覺得常常是很慢的是不是能夠有一個機制你們要經過商量跟討論之後比如說有一個時間啊 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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一個禮拜兩個禮拜也許最多一個月的時間我的帳戶為了配合調查可能不能用但是我至少很明確的知道什麼時候我可以用嘛至少他在調度他自己的財務或在做他的生意的時候他不會受到太多的衝擊現在就是說你沒有明確的標準跟機制的時候那沒完沒了我不知道這個什麼時候才會解凍那很有可能他就會影響到很多事情那我是覺得這樣子牽連太深了 |
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所以這部分是什麼時候可以提供一個完整的說明我們會請金管會來研議我覺得這個只要跟詐騙集團沒有關係的不應該受這麼嚴格的管控那這個也影響到個人的權利還有整體經濟的發展 |
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這本其實完全贊成打擊詐騙的行為附帶效果就是衝擊民眾的部分救濟的制度要相對完備所以說是不是請這個行政院大概在我跟你們你們要多久的時間研商一套比較明確的SOP我們在一個月之內一個月之內好不好研商一個完整的SOP讓這個救濟的形式讓不相干的人不要因為這樣受到衝擊但當然打詐的力道是一點都不能放下來了可以嗎是好 |
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好,因為本席本來還有準備另外一個這個租屋市長題目但因為禮拜三嘛我們還有別的解凍案那我們就內政部在的時候我們來做討論那我們就針對打炸這個題目請辦公室這邊還有行政院這邊加強處理我們一個月之後繼續追蹤,可以嗎?好,好,可以好,謝謝,辛苦了好,謝謝我們牛行廷我們委員的執行好,現在請完美會委員好,謝謝 |
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主席我們請我們的秘書長跟我們大家的主任來請秘書長 |
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市長跟主任,在這個打架的環境裡面,我們已經政府說很多次了。在這個辦公室裡面,我們專門在打架。市長、主任,你有感覺說越打架,賠的越多嗎?來。 |
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跟委員報告,其實打詐不是在臺灣,是在全世界都有。那我一定要農打,我們一定要農打。沒有啦,我如果你說你會越打詐,會變得越多沒有啦。沒有不對喔,這最主要是說,這最主要是說,這是不勞而獲的一個觀點。因為為什麼本席會這樣說,因為我相信在座的民意代表, |
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候補處都接到訪問的。訪問的當中像你們都說我們可以讓受害者的錢偷渡回來像這個我們機關電信的網路你說可以讓受害者騙到回來在這裡面可以偷渡回來的錢 |
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這個單位,11頁,掩蓋在行政署的凍結裡面,這個單位方便45頁。主任。 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
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5369.739 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].text |
審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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主任,因為說實在有的人都會說,他還貪心啦,他還會去訪騙,有時候環境的關係,想說,啊我又快快來討諸一下,像看手機的時候,我之前在我們的委員會講過,我們的專家的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[160].end |
5410.427 |
| transcript.whisperx[160].text |
審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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5428.376 |
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5430.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[161].text |
三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].start |
5446.462 |
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5453.206 |
| transcript.whisperx[162].text |
我跟委員報告打造辦公室成立沒有開支都只用一個辦公室而已另外再來就是說打造工人裡面一定有辦的改變的組織裡面這個辦公室有開13頁的衣裳這13頁都是在經濟事務及法務部 |
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5477.057 |
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對阿,你如果我說都沒開錢,這裏面如果說有關係喔,要怎樣找回來,怎樣去用的裏面,你看在數位的修正裏面,還有在數位要怎樣鑑定的裏面,這都是錢耶,這不是沒開錢耶。對阿,你如果我說沒開錢,我都要討價。 |
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5498.982 |
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5507.447 |
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這個專案辦公室是按國保會調人,在那做整合協調的工作。對啦,因為我感覺你是一個很nice的人,我感覺你未來也要做,你如果沒那年金,你也不可能行為,溝通不對啦。 |
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5525.102 |
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因為你有了解北省的訴求、北省的問題就對了。所以主任我要跟你說,因為這個打造應用到台灣的經濟非常大。我們不能說跟他們在各國各國,跟你在台灣有什麼關係,你要怎麼去打造做出你的心結。 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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5551.27 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
主任,本次跟你講這裡是希望說因為大家的方便、心情和看來的方便,那種感受,你會體會到也知道。他委到、他方便、他要去報案的時候,叫他要去台北、叫他要去樹林、叫他要去哪裡的時候, |
| transcript.whisperx[167].start |
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5573.653 |
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政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 proporting to the Committee of the House of Representatives. |
| transcript.whisperx[168].start |
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主任來必須聽話有跟委員報告目前看起來最多的這種新的太陽就是網路投資理財的詐騙或是臉書上這個理財的專業那麼請大家加入他的這個類似這個群組那造成詐騙 |
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那這個部分目前我們行政院也導大辦公室一直在對新的詐騙形態在研擬對策那另外羅政委也召集相關的會議準備提針對網路的詐騙理財的詐騙提出一個專法再送到貴院來那麼我們希望因為人家說因為這個專法裡面第一次幾天我也跟我們幾個董事開過記者會說裡面的超函裡面 |
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5649.119 |
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也要放一個瓦礫房,因為有時間裡面的局長、裡面的情形,我們如果沒有有這個瓦礫房來交協助的時候,我相信你怎麼又對不上派人收詐騙的情形跟案件? |
| transcript.whisperx[171].start |
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5683.364 |
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謝謝委員的指教有啦,我們有把這個窩裡飯的條款放在我們的專法裡面有啦他們如果說有裡面的人有歡迎其實我們是重新發落這個詐騙確實是整個世界各國也都面臨的問題英國最近才召集五個國家他們一年需要10千億的資本主任因為詐騙這個問題是全世界都有啦要不然全世界都有我認為我們 |
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5700.593 |
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台灣國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議員及國會議 |
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臺灣隊可以說到臺灣隊比這樣我們要更加努力特別對詐騙犯的這些刑責還有像這些臉書等等他怎麼樣能夠我們由法院來要求現在都是用勸導用協調的方式如果有這個專法我相信這個打詐的那個效果會更好 |
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好,來。來,主任先生。來,秘書長。我們是要跟你說最近有一些食品的問題。我們在食品的問題六條的時候,最近跟這個環境局的時候,你看你們發生感覺有問題的時候,又在國會覺得有問題。在這裡的操作的時候,你看九十二位。 |
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5768.252 |
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你看這樣大家都做那間也有問題那間也有問題是不是我們的動作太過慢跟地方的聯繫不夠因為本市所知道這個問題像最近爆零這個食品的問題你看吃下去之後第20點鐘裡面 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。breviation of Procedure of Procedure of Procedure |
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5822.164 |
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來,主委,在本社要跟你說的,因為時間的關係,我最主要就是說,你們的運動、你們的選團,不夠,因為我有看到,你們也很好,再鼓勵我一定會讓你們鼓勵,在選團裡面、在座談裡面,你們有兩張,一張在台北,一張在嘉義,都用台語,就在選團,這非常好。 |
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因為尤其南部人可以聽出你們在做什麼所謂應用很大所以在這裏面本身要跟你說的就是說你們的選團裏面你們說嘉義市跟嘉義縣都共辦7張台北辦10張尤其嘉義市有20名是不當黨產我也問問你們會不會去說明清楚尤其你們做到 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報 |
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這個時間,太久了,宣傳不夠積極。主委,本身來賓時間也不夠,但是我的用書面再跟您提供意見,也希望您可以回答本事。因為我覺得您有認真的做,但是做不夠的。 |
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我們一定要讓北省了解,我們不是說外帶一個政黨,要對付帶一個政黨。是不應該契機的財產,我們要以國家來討得回來。以上。好,謝謝我們外媒會委員的執行。我們下一位我們請黃建斌委員。黃建斌委員執行完我們休息文中。好,謝謝。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[182].text |
主席我們有請我們不當黨產委員會主委林主委主委早安主委主委如果說我們做的事都是對的事情應該會聽到大家的民眾的掌聲跟鼓勵那我們如果沒有聽到大家的掌聲跟鼓勵代表它裡面充滿了這個爭議跟衝突 |
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5972.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[183].text |
三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 |
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6010.477 |
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按照這個黨產條例來看,它跟促轉會不一樣,因為這個條例裡面沒有六日條款。所以,它的執行到什麼時候,現在要說給主委。那我想要請教主委,主委促轉會是任務型的組織還是常設組織?委員是說促轉會嗎? |
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黨產不當黨產委員會我們當然是一個任務型的組織那你如果要不然現在黨是做做條款所以你認為是一個政治立法院立法所以所以主委認為他是一個任務型的組織嘛對不對是 |
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那依據我們當然條例第二條第一項來看,黨產會跟促轉會都是屬任務型的組織。那所以既然是任務型的組織,除了你跟其他的委員都是在8月31號就職,所以任期是應該到今年的9月1號結束嘛對不對?對,8月底。阿這邊任務結束了,黨產會各位繼續嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[187].end |
6067.654 |
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則要看怎麼看任務有沒有結束那標準是什麼現在我們的處分的案件絕大多數都還在法院訴訟當中最近今年1月跟3月各有一件判決 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[189].text |
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle, |
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那我想這個充滿爭議性的話題就連我們大法官司製在793號的議件書就指出我們黨產會的主任委員與跟我們促轉會的主任委員都是屬於特任這個外觀上吉隆一邊誤解為是黨產議會行政院所屬的二級獨立機關那促轉會 |
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處長委員會是由行政院長提名,立法院同意。黨產委員會是由行政院長派任。這是大法官所說的。所以這兩個立法的體制跟人民的模式是不太一致的。 |
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如果依照大法官的這樣同意書的解釋來講請教主委齁你是不是贊成未來我們黨產會如果要延續的話應該要先修法任命的權限跟促轉會一樣都是由立法院來進行同意我想這個尊重立法院的決定吧謝謝主委 |
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所以剛剛我們早上我們其他委員也提到齁就是黨產會不是只要追黨產我們張宏祿委員也提到青山的這個案子齁我們追來之後應該要好好的維護管理嘛因為這個會對社會現象有不好的印象啦如果說你人站在那裡你如果不管理放在那裡扒橫這是不是對黨產會也是不好的事情 |
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議員這一點我可以說明一下嗎? |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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6257.077 |
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那另外最後一個我要請教主委就是說去年9月10月的時候教育部有發函要求各縣市政府要嚴守教育及行政中立不得動用行政資源支持或反對特定的政黨但是本席受到全國教育產業總共會的一個陳情說各位看到這個案子齁立法院我想這個公文看到的東西啊 |
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各位,立法院給你們的權利跟義務不包含去學校進行任何的活動特別是針對有特定性的組織的政黨那本席要求任期不到5個月的時間在中間我要請你記得明文規定什麼可以做就去做什麼不能做就不要做新的國會不是你們想要做什麼就可以 |
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謝謝主委我們剛才的說明裡面其實都有提到這個部分我們按照教育部的轉型正義行動綱領我們在配合在好謝謝主委謝謝各位這段時間要不要請教一下我們秘書長 |
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委員好 秘書長好秘書長首先恭喜秘書長接下來未來要往新的領域來繼續為我們國人來服務那特別是接下來要去的單位跟我們花東息息相關就是我們交通的事情那在去之前我想要請秘書長有兩件事情要拜託秘書長一個就是我們的員警的問題我們剛才提到打詐國家隊打詐國家隊其實第一線人員是我們的員警 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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我想我們警察警力吃緊的情況之下近10年來我們又加了這麼多的憂慮在我們員警身上今天員警的工作量真的吃不消我們在這10年來的警察自殺率越來越增高總共有52名警察來自殺那近4年也有22名我想這個工作量會影響到員警整個執勤的心態 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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關關的部分是臺東很重要的一個經濟的命脈那我想在這幾年整個入客減少來臺灣的情況之下對關關業者衝擊很大加上我們4月3號的這個大地震無疑是雪上加霜我相信有很多很多的問題等著新的我們的部長來解決那也希望部長能夠多發一些心思那本期這邊如果有任何的 |
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問題也會即刻跟部長來反映也希望部長能夠來協助我們花東這邊的觀光業者還有我們交通的問題我是不是簡單跟委員報告一下就是第一個花東的交通我想目前馬上就包括蘇花安如果馬上現在要還品馬上如果通過就可以來動工那如果完成他就可以跟國道5 |
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中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度 |
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總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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議員議員議員 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲輸長也謝謝我們未來的部長那希望華東的問題能夠多多老下背信那以上資訊好謝謝我們黃正斌委員的執行那密書長我們這黃正斌委員台東的事情要拜託你那我們先來休息文中謝謝 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計3案。 Minne4、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne4、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne5、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne6、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne7、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne8、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne9、處理113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne3、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne4、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne5、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne6、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne7、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne8、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計3 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計3、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計4、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計5、 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀書面報告案計2案。閱讀書面報告案計2案。閱讀書面報告案計2案。閱讀書面報告案計2案。閱讀書面報告案計2案。閱讀書面報告案計2案。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 bicy |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算 |
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好,我們繼續開會。我們下一位請我們兵協中委員。好,謝謝。好。 |
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感謝主席,我請秘書長。好,請李秘書長。好,謝謝。恭喜秘書長,先恭喜你齁。但是我們現在也是面對一些問題,我們也是要來談一下齁。也感謝這次這個打炸撤進作為50萬經費的解凍案齁。是。 |
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剛剛看了這個報告也感謝貴院 |
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給我們這些立法委員什麼叫做一致簽金啦齁當然也給我們提供納付一關詐騙的一個行為齁我們今天用每一天的過個就要來解凍我們這個打詐撤進作為五十萬經費齁嗯 我覺得這是在欺騙我們的委員或是在欺騙這個貴婿啦齁啊給他寄書後過個一項就是我們現在 |
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經濟統計,臺灣每一天真的會發生4件詐騙案。民怨滔天,結果,咱們個人的個個看得出說真的打詐、撤進、坐牢的打詐辦公室所作的藥物和,總共是只有咱這個個個頭頂的屬物。我看,咱改做這個詐騙辦公室好了。也請議事長簡單說明咱這個打詐辦公室的這個業務。 |
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打詐的業務其實是分散在各個部會包括警政署的刑事警察局包括金管會包括速發部包括通傳會等等大家都通力合作還有法務部相關的檢調單位也都有通力合作在做打詐的這個主詐等等的這個業務 |
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議員長,我們行政院這個打造辦公室成立多少年了? |
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目前大概是成立一年,去年5月30日。你感覺打造辦公室房子的成果好嗎? |
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| transcript.whisperx[239].text |
我想確實是還有進步的空間因為主要是因為詐騙的形態日新夜異那詐騙的情況是?國內一份調查有53人對政府的詐騙防治文化意義但過去超過一半的人對政府是不一樣的而去年我們貴姓被詐騙的金額是89億被詐騙金額是89億 |
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| transcript.whisperx[240].end |
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非正義金額達16億,六、貴姓一、四人辛辛苦苦賺到錢,就跟他靠一通電話,跟一通LINE這樣就整個錢就都用去給你偶遇了。你有沒有瞭解到,去用責任就責任期我們這裡責任的一個薪金通貨嗎?再來,當經理責任案,有兩萬三千元,到九年新章到三萬五千元。 |
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憑憑一段時間就發生事件,我們現在一家在討論就已經有人被詐騙了。所以這是真的非常嚴重的事情。是,跟委員報告,現在其實是這個詐騙真的是國際性的 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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我們對這個打詐的這個訪問,我們想可以再經過更加精進的方針,來研究,來要怎麼方針?我知道委員會的就是像現在最常見的詐騙就是投資理財。 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle, Google, 我們現在請他下架這些廣告這些詐騙廣告這些要招募這個股友社會員這些投資的詐騙廣告都是我們都是用勸導的來下架如果有這個專法這些海外這些國際的平台就有義務要配合我們立即的下架 |
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議員主席 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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議員提到主席的部分將對違法投資廣告訂定實名制以及下架機制 |
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持續收報違規廣告以及案業統整所發現問題,要求網路平台精進內審制度。 |
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有多少人被詐騙,也沒有具體處分。平台根本也沒有在走。記住,連我們管道,我們管道中的線,他的LINE跟臉書的帳號,也都去用貿易用詐騙去。結果,我們也是要鼓勵這裡,自己再套過其他社群,甚至可以來讓大家不太去用騙人。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員 |
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規定凍結書面報告案計10案,那這樣的話萬一裡面有詐騙廣告,我們可以循線的去追查。那這種網路的公司齁,這種網路的公司外匯行的問題,我們今年會議頭頂有什麼方案可以有效來要求這些公司來做這個防詐的協助?因為現在這些國際性的這種網路平台,它的主機也都是設在海外。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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對,這個是關係到我們國民的一個財產安全的部分。對啊,他明顯是詐騙的行為,明顯是詐騙的行為啊。啊,我們還要勸導他,這我們就要用強制執行啊。啊,所以就是要有法源啊。 |
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對於詐騙網路平台業者的約束目前會推一個專法詐騙防治條例草案 |
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有提到說今年上半年能送到立法院審查,現在已經四月了。現在四月底了。我們差不多四月底會送來。就是說這禮拜就會上院會,然後院會通過之後就會送到立法院。這禮拜上院會,下禮拜會送到立法院來。 |
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二、處理12年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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議員議員議員 |
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7710.648 |
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秘書長好請問一下您在這個秘書長任內幾年了5年5年很長一段時間了對不對是秘書長工作是做什麼簡單的說明是包括呃呈各部會上來那麼呈給院長的公文那我們會先合約 |
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那所以各部會包括今天的解凍案各部會都一些說明應該也在行政院會裡面要經過行政院長這樣子的同意然後您再跟各部會來做協調協商對嗎對相關的有授權或者是我們會先審閱過好今天呢您知道嗎您是撞一天做一個做一天的和尚要撞一天鐘您今天行政院的113年度的單位預算解凍報告 |
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這是在立法院朝野共同要解凍的案子。解凍的金額不多,但是您看你裡面的說明,非常的敷衍。我覺得做一天和尚就要撞一天鐘。你們到底有沒有用心在解決今天招委牌的這個解凍案。從你們的報告跟態度就可以清楚知道。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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三月五號我對陳建仁院長就原住民的原家中心議題我進行了我的總諮詢當時陳院長承諾在520之前會核定計劃而且交辦相關部會必須在三月底把計劃報行政院核查 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案 |
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7880.88 |
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他有在去年的11月8號有邀集衛務部隊員員上沒有我講的是3月5號我的總諮詢啊當時院長就已經告訴我的說要在3月底的時候把這個計畫報行政院查核所以我還嘲笑說會不會520之前他說最後一天都會那3月底了原民會已經把修正的計畫書報到社家署了 |
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對目前原民會是在2月6號跟3月27送到衛福部衛福部目前我的了解是還在研擬中最近應該就會送到還在研擬中啊從我3月5號已經在關心這件事情了而且我提的裡面的內容其實衛福部長也好行政院院長都非常的認同啊這個為什麼流程那麼冗長 |
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五、二、零之前會合訂計劃。今天幾號了?秘書長。 |
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對,我想這個問題我們...明天能不能告訴我?可以嗎?還是現在請他們趕快打電話,待會就到我的辦公室裡面來做說明?連這麼一點點小事,而且是凝聚社會共識的問題,你還要拖那麼長,我都很擔心你當交通部部長的時候,您的質詢率會怎樣?好,我們來看一下今天...不用再回應了啦,不要照顧。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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7999.799 |
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原住民族或者是所有的警察不能夠去投票你們是剝奪了憲法保障他們的投票請問一下今天已經要解凍你們的這個預算了還看不到一個具體的方式請問一下你的具體方式是什麼因為我們現在就是已經送到貴院就是針對全國性的公民投票 |
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我知道啊。我要問的是你們怎麼樣凝聚社會共識?你們的公聽會是開公聽會還是說明會還是研討會還是問卷調查?如果要舉辦會議請問一年要辦幾場預計在幾年之內可以收集這些語情?如果是問卷調查可以充分收集更年齡層各族群的意見嗎? |
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8038.579 |
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我再更具體的問你就是這樣,不要用這種敷衍的方式,請回答。是,我想我們是期待公民投票如果順利的來推動不在籍投票之後。我知道公民投票嘛,那個時候,之後才要談到這個所謂的不在籍投票,那要幾年?請你告訴我要幾年大概? |
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如果順利的推動我覺得後面其他選舉的不在一起投票因為如果是向立委向議員那個票的種類會非常的繁多這個話我們已經聽多了啦在這個委員會也聽多了啦請你告訴我要幾年幾年離開這個秘書長的位置了請問一下到底要幾年 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政委員會預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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8077.085 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].end |
8093.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[278].text |
因午我謝謝你秘書長我很擔心我再講一次我很擔心你任交通部部長的時候你會怎麼樣去執行尤其是我們現在花東地區的交通的問題如果是按照你這樣子因午式回答的話全民會反撲尤其是花蓮地區的族人 |
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再來我來跟你討論少子化的推動情形。行政院你們這報告裡面這樣說本院已經建立跨部會的運作機制了由上而下整合11個部會的資源而在112到113年主要經濟策略包括 |
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放寬育兒津貼還有托育補助然後調降托嬰中心的照顧比以及幼兒園私生比放寬政府駐在協助措施的經濟或者是社會弱勢資格擴大幼兒學前特別扣除而適用範疇以及提高額度這是你的這個書面報告以上策略我都給予支持但是有一點我必須要再譴責一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].end |
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我認為政府對於偏鄉原鄉的默示就是我們在制定政策的時候都是以都會區為基準點也都是以都會區的狀況為精進考量從來都沒有把偏鄉跟原住民地區的困境反映在你們的政策上例如我談幾個問題第一個原鄉連一間0到2歲的托育機構都沒有您知道嗎 |
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然而您知道嗎?原鄉和偏鄉的合格的保姆人數有幾位?是零。我相信主政機關你們都有這些數據的,但是行政院有納入你們的政策考量嗎?還是在行政院眼睛裡面偏鄉和原鄉的隔代教育問題一點都不需要托育的需求,是這樣子嗎?秘書長。 |
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五二零之前能不能告訴我一個說法今天就要解凍你們的案子了那你任務幾號這個禮拜還是下個禮拜到我辦公室 |
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8235.246 |
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這個我們再來安排我在這邊要求您這個禮拜就到我辦公室來好不好展現您的決心那也跟委員報告其實這段時間平均每個已婚的推動這些政策以來平均每個已婚的夫婦生的胎數已經從1個已胎到1.5胎沒有我在跟你講原住民跟偏鄉的問題 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[286].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[286].end |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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8292.176 |
| transcript.whisperx[287].text |
議員議員議員議員議員 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds. |
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| transcript.whisperx[289].end |
8318.411 |
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我想這個是非常重要的一環。那現在像現在我們已經把像育嬰價本來是只有六成薪。那目前已經提升到可以到八成薪。我知道。那夫婦都可以來。我知道。在你的報告裡面有說我剛剛我在在講的就是我們的產婦的其他的其他的問題。所以也希望你們一邊來討論一下好不好。還有一個問題是新生代不婚不育的原因。特別是不婚。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[290].end |
8335.238 |
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我覺得行政院你們應該要跨部會來談點問題離清所有的問題之後然後再針對相關的政策來擬定改善的空間和計畫你認為應該這樣子吧對症下藥是很重要的而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳而我剛剛提到的這些問題它幾乎都是跨部會的問題所以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[291].end |
8353.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[291].text |
行政院秘書長的工作就很重要你在這5年當中想病您比我更清楚可是如果要我給你打分數的話我覺得這5年來 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[292].end |
8379.689 |
| transcript.whisperx[292].text |
我覺得剛剛就幾個案子的解凍案,我覺得還是有待精進。您給您自己的評分是多少?我們不對自己來評分,不過我們有在進步跟努力的空間。你認為是不是應該要再進步?雖然你520之後就要離開這個位置了。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds. |
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我希望您不要把這個態度帶到交通部,因為交通部是非常重要的一個部會,而不是跟議事長一樣只是協調的工作。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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| transcript.whisperx[296].end |
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對於原住民的問題麻煩這個禮拜到我辦公室跟我說明一下我們剛剛談到的這個0到2歲還有我們這個原住民的這個這個托育的部分托育的環境謝謝好謝謝我們高津詹委的資訊秘書長我們詹委所主席下個禮拜到辦公室做說明好那現在請我們張志倫委員好謝謝 |
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主席好各位官員各位委員大家早安大家好是不是先有請秘書長好請我們行政院秘書長謝謝 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle,早安。剛剛第一次碰到密書長也得知說密書長即將接任交通部長。在這邊給密書長恭喜。在這邊本席也代表過去在您過去早期擔任台北縣的水利局的局長在蘇貞昌縣長任內因為過去有中和南市角的部分那時候還叫中和市南市角那邊容易淹水那也是當時的蘇貞昌縣長跟 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle,您還有很多在地的議員一起努力來做這個藍四角的一個分紅的動作,讓藍四角不再淹水,所以本席在這邊代表我們中和的鄉親對您這個非常的肯定也感謝,那請密書長請回。那我切心了我們,我們請不當黨產處理委員會的我們主委。您主委,謝謝。 |
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主委好本席要請問您針對我要幫我們救國團來發聲請問一下救國團被不當黨產委員會認為政黨的附屬組織的原因大概是什麼可以簡單敘述一下 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne四 |
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當時被弄成一個像準行政機關這樣子。好,謝謝主委。人事財務業務被國民黨控制的資料我們都在我們的處分書跟調查報告裡面,我想我們都公布在網站上。是,我跟主委報告,因為救國團就我自己本身本席的了解而言,它是具有公益性、教育性以及服務性的一個公益的一個法人的一個身份。那很多,也是過去很多人的一個這個從小到大的一個回憶的一個地方。 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds. |
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做這一些的這個公益的活動那我想要針就很多大法官針對這個黨產會做出的一些建議來請教這個主委因為許多大法官比如說張瓊文大法官有提出這個認為你們黨產會有過度限制這個一些一些組織的財產權而且這個讓有一些違物的一些情形那我請教一下 |
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就針對張全仁大法官所提出這個我們已經過度限制成為負稅組織而是對財產的使用處分權有做限制這點你要怎麼回應請問委員這個有什麼具體的哪個個案 |
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大法官這邊寫得非常清楚那我再跟您報告齁這樣詹森文大法官也有提出齁一般來講已經有脫離政黨控制後時有擁有執政當取得財產應該非屬黨產條例所預處理的課題而且不能被推定為不當取得所以顧名思義就像本席剛剛跟你講的過去早期當然會有一些這個黨 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度 |
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政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne四 |
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當時從政府拿到的財物通通交回來了沒有所以我們現在追究其實這一塊 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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好,謝謝主委的分享所以本席就是希望說你這邊當常常委員會要應該讓救國團順利繼續推動它相關的業務尤其剛剛本席有跟你報告就它是公益性、教育性以及服務性的那本席當然有詢問過救國團裡面的相關的長官那就希望說未來還是繼續推動救國團的部分而且就像主委剛剛講的其實它已經有一些明確可以區分 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結書面報告案 |
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按照這個黨產條例的規定我們確實是沒有落入條款我剛才在說但是我們委員有任期啦至於要不要再繼續我想這個是政策考量我們就尊重包括立法院包括行政院這邊的規劃那相關的 請你們可以自行提出來啊 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds. |
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處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds. |
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處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。nolds. |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle,您現在的職權就是負責跟這些組織來打官司?我們是鼓勵機關,所以我們的業務,包括調查內容可能不方便在這邊跟委員報告。但是可以看到很明顯的就是我們有大批的訴訟,包括一個婦聯會案,光是附隨組織案,就拖了6年。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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好最後因為時間的關係老師要請教主委就您針對凍結案今天的這個解釋就去年而言你貴委員會動用預算的稅數的部分只用了八成可是今年113年112年只用了八成那113年居然你們的所編的這個稅數的預算還比去年還多那請問一下到底你們是要做什麼事情 |
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我想相關的預算書裡面都有清楚的說明,我們就是按照那些...因為只用了八成,為什麼今年的預算還要再增加?我們沒有特別去增加,它那個就是因為桶山桶邊的金額而已。譬如說...去年只用了八成都用不完了,為什麼今年要再增加預算?有沒有一個簡單的說明?我們沒有去要求增加預算,我再說明,我們沒有。覺得金額是有提高嗎? |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。�� |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關不當黨產處理委員會預算凍結書面報告案 |
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謝謝我們請不當黨產處理委員會來林主委好請我們林主委謝謝所以這個很多委員都在問我們這個是任務型的編組那也面對非常多的訴訟那現在我們這個任務型的編組面對這麼多的訴訟如果沒有訴訟這個任務型的編組還有沒有其他的功能 |
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我們現在就在監管所有的負稅組織的目前的財務因為他如果一天不收回國有那我們就怕他的財產會流失所以這個委員會的成立就是從過去威權黨國不分的時代到現在民主我們必須要把國家的資源 |
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是真正國家的包含國家的不凍產等等的都要看管住這個委員會的功能但是我一點要提醒所有的這一些我們不當黨產處理委員會的這一些訴訟的費用這個是來自哪裡訴訟的費用當然來自預算 |
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對那這些訴訟的費用訴訟的對象就是這些可能是過去黨國不分的這些黨的組織目前還在運作的那所以編列的預算越多訴訟的程度越多就是代表這個黨跟這個國之間的訴訟永遠都沒有結束的一天所以必須要不當這個黨產管理委員會繼續的來這樣做這樣的執行那 |
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其實在國家不管是縣市政府或中央政府面對很多跟私人公司之間的這些訴訟都有一個問題 |
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就是我們公部門的這個律師的費用遠遠不及私人公司民間單位的這個費用有沒有這個問題當然那所以其實我個人我會支持不當黨產處理委員會對於律師編列的費用我們必須要更加的支持而不是只依照原定的標準那有什麼方式可以更加的來支持來 |
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請行政院秘書長。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].end |
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秘書長今天行政院預算解凍審查有兩個非常重要的議題就是有關於租金跟少子化的這兩個議題租金其實也牽涉到社宅也牽涉到相關的這些少子化等等剛剛秘書長講到一點很重要的其實也是目前必須要去做的就是有關縣市政府的區段徵收或者是重劃區 |
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要籌設3%到5%來作為設宅的空間目前已經入法了嗎?他現在這個部分是內政部在目前是用內政部在審議各縣市報上來的區段徵收的新案那在審議的時候附帶要求那就是直轄市5%那一般的縣市是所以我們對於過去已經審議通過的沒有辦法入法嗎? |
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過去已經審議通過有請內政部評估他現階段是先用協商的方式那目前的了解是協商不出來其實我們在縣市政府待過我們知道其實這個區管徵收跟重劃其實是地方政府很重要的財源之一 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲,一讓他提出來,就是說各縣市提3到5%我們會算成本嘛,我們當時核定他的成本,然後我們用那個成本來跟他買買看 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲,另外一點其實就是這個其實現在住都中心他蓋的速度有經過行政院的整合其實像我們的左營跟南梓就有非常有好幾個這個社會住宅他其實是經過行政院協調不管是國防部或者是其他國產署的這些土地 |
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來經過縣市政府這邊很積極的跟住入中心這邊合作來蓋是高雄的這個社宅的比在六都裡面或者是在全國裡面蓋社宅的這個比例是最快的數量是最多的那高雄的戶數最多社宅比例最多 |
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那是不是在未來高雄如果有確認徵收或者是重劃送到內政部的時候那內政部應該也要給予呃比如說你我們我們現在要明定要3到5%那這個就應該是3%啊啊像那種其他的縣市社宅比例明顯少戶數明顯比六都少啊這就要給5%甚至更多啊所以我這邊這邊是想要就是在呃民主黨在轉任齁那個部長之前 |
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給行政院相關的單位的這個建議當然我要趁這個機會在內政委員會可以跟未來的部長來做一個幾個男子跟左營很重要的交通建設的一些說明其實我知道陳其邁市長常常打電話給你 |
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打完總統打院長打完院長之後再打給秘書長有關男子交流道引道還有捷運直線還有台鐵立體化還有台鐵未來班次的加密都是未來秘書長在交通部要面對的很重要的高雄交通的課題那我從男子交流道引道來講好了過去目前 |
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從台南到高雄的這個國道1號它的負荷量已經非常大從過去城台南高雄的交通時程可能是40分鐘現在都是超過一個小時那所以未來這個台南的台積電園區到高雄這個現在的這個男子產業園區還會增加大量的這些運輸的這些車輛所以我們必須要爭取男子交流道引道 |
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這一條引道也經過秘書長的協調已經在國發會審議完畢接下來會進行相關的規劃保險預算的編列等等的那這一些都是未來部長要做的事情那高雄市政府這邊我也會全力的來協助協調配合 |
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二、處理1案。 |
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三、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關 |
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未來的這個整個高雄北段的這些半導體園區還有整個高雄的交通的樞紐其實很需要行政院以及交通部的支持所以在未來這個現在的秘書長李部長以後也對於南直交流道引道那捷運紫線還有未來南直的 |
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也就是現在的到左營台鐵到左營左營以北到楠梓到橋頭這一段要解決大量的交通問題這個交流道這個鐵路的立體化還有立體化之後鐵路的加密跟台北不一樣的是台北幾乎是10分鐘一般區間車高雄是30分鐘才一般區間車這個我們未來都要朝這個加密的方向來努力謝謝 |
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李博裕委員主席行政院理秘書長 |
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9637.291 |
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五二零之後要就任交通部長 |
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那對於您我們也很一段時間沒見面但是我一向對您是非常敬重您這個學有專精而且有為有守非常的認真負責謝謝謝謝委員對那今天因為我們這個有解凍案行政院的這個解凍案他8個案8個案合在一起 |
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凍結書面報告案計 |
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9697.827 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書 |
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關系文書的報1663頁是講到警察的不在籍投票這是他們的公民權當初凍結的時候第10屆的委員是希望行政院能夠檢討加速的推動警察行使選舉罷免創制複決的基本權利但是我們在解凍報告裡面看到我們就 |
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獅眼的說可以你就在你所在戶籍所在地的縣市同一個區域同一個選區你就讓他不在籍投票但是我們的警察大家都知道流動性是全台灣在流動的 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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則是關於接避者保護法的部分。這個也是攸關於我們政府的連門本席也要特別肯定您這邊行政院秘書長過去也有含釋就是我們自己行政單位內部還是要鼓勵他們勇於接避 |
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但是呢我們最終還是要有接避者保護法那有關民間企業有各種的弊端各種的弊案像我們的食安如果不是有些內部接避我們可能很多這個黑心的食品全國民眾都持續的吃當然還有各方面包括我們金融單位各方面的所以這個接避者保護法 |
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本席看到從109年行政院就在研擬到今年113年都還送不到立法院我想4年是總統一任的任期總統一任任期竟然我們一個接壁者保護法沒有辦法送來立法院這點就非常非常誇張那這裡面到底是什麼原因那這一次送來當然裡面也有一些等一下本席利用一些時間再跟您請教 |
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再來我們看到關西文書報166頁針對國家氣候變遷調試行動計劃當初提案凍結的理由是擔心現行的機制是否足夠而且要避免跌床駕屋而且這個案雖然整個8案裡面才凍結100萬但是光是這個行動計劃 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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政府也有有新租金補貼的部分但是當初凍結的原因也是因為第10屆的委員覺得現在有很多租屋的黑市如何改善黑市 |
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來凍結希望我們行政院能夠針對這些內容來回覆但是答非所問就講說有掌握有效租賃40萬筆那超過租屋市場的4成也包含納入包租業者實價登錄其實這些跟黑市沒有關也不在黑市的範圍那重點要改善黑市的部分很大的問題現在租屋市場 |
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報告案有關行政院預算 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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這個珠湖黑市的部分我們希望可以還是一定要正視這個問題然後來解決秘書長您只需要回覆是不是可以是我想委員所提的確實都是目前我們所面臨的期待解決的問題那我們我想我們可能答得不夠完整 |
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那有一些都答非所問不是不管答非所問那其實還有很多因為我時間不夠我就前面前面從第一頁看到這個前面五頁八頁我就覺得這個每一項都蠻有問題的好所以這個豬市場這一塊再來本席就是有關氣候變遷確實現在常常降大雨 |
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我們又有這麼多的這個行動計畫這個費用這麼多怎麼樣不會跌床駕屋所以我們希望行政院絕對不要這個我們錢啊就隨便花或是中央政府你做你的民眾受苦民眾繼續受苦這一塊是我們要避免的好那再來就是有關好我現在拉回來第一題這個保障警察的這個公民權的部分是 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle |
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公務員報告我先報告租屋市場那個部分就是我想徹底解決租屋市場應該就是政府的設宅的供給還有包租代管包到也是類似設宅的供給如果能夠超過一定的比例我想就可以把整個租屋市場的價格行情對啊但是設宅說要到一定比例那不知道還有多久 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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有關接避者保護法為什麼4年都送不來立法院甚至連行政院目前好像都還沒審查審查完畢這是什麼原因呢這裡面有什麼貓膩對不對接避者保護法我們就希望政府連人我們希望民間企業也要打擊這些弊端可是為什麼4年都沒有辦法 |
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最近法務部在今年的3月又送進來,把調整的法,那我知道羅政委已經開過好幾次的會議,那他現在正在徵詢,正在跟一些學者專家還有法界的人士做徵詢,我想應該已經快告一段落。我們行政院預計什麼時候送來?一定要等新政府上任再送是不是? |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle |
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總預算案有關行政委員會預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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市委員好市委員好我想請教秘書長4月3號7.2級的大地震之後重創了台灣很多的地方所以18日行政院表示跟各單位確認之後再後重建的這個復興及紓困的振興總經費預計要投入200億元 |
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陳院長19日在接受媒體訪問的時候也說要編列200億元的特別預算還特別強調不需要等到特別條例過,中央各部會就可以結合地方全力的協助救災請問秘書長,行政院何時要將特別條例財案送到立法院審查? |
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目前我們是打算就是說他現在不用等不用用特別條例啦他可能用追加減預算的方式就把這個200億甚至可能220億左右的這個經費送到貴院來 |
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如果來得及應該是這一兩個禮拜就會提報但是有一些緊急救助的還有一些相關的一些措施不用等到預算現在是各單位以緩計及或者是用相關的基金先行處理所以說民主黨的意思是說不需要特別條例這樣的意思嗎可是院長講的不是這樣我們目前有請主計總處在研擬就是說如果不用特別條例是不是用追加減 |
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凍結書面報告案計2案。Reporter 陳議員說陳議員說陳議員說陳議員說陳議員說陳議員說陳議員說陳議員說 |
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獎金必須協助災區重建。 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。Reporter 審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Interviewer |
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公認為支配、受支配地方政府緊急及其他重大事項所需的淨費。經主管機關報請行政院核定之後,就可以通知受分配地方政府納入預算。所以請問秘書長有沒有讓地方政府申請緊急及其他重大事項所需的淨費? |
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像平常的各縣市政府如果遇到災害那麼他會搶災跟災害復建就是都用這個特別統籌款那另外還包括像各地方政府如果遇到傳染病的房子比如說南部之前有一些登革熱的問題那這些也都是用特統再來致應所以平常就有受理地方政府的這個申請 |
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我們還是希望說針對這個部分就算是特別預算也應該要專節開支不可以腐爛的編列當然然後另外再請教您就是在這一次解凍的預算中第9幕涉及的是行政院打詐經濟的措施問題但是目前就是詐騙的問題也越來越嚴重甚至還爆發出行政院長提名的NCC委員蕭其鴻他違反選轉門條例在卸任後就當詐騙集團的門神所以 |
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行政院長在提名之前難道都不針對提名人選做考核的嗎那蕭綺蓮整個的提名程序是由行政院提名當時也應該是名單任秘書長帶領大家來立法院拜會各黨團的嗎所以這個是人民一黨一手推薦的人現在出了問題負責任要負責提名的行政院是不是也該負責任 |
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那投票同意的民進黨團是不是也要負責任所以本席建議這次的解凍案不予解凍因為行政院這樣亂提NCC的委員人選我們覺得這樣是不適當的 |
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我想消委員這樣的個人的行為目前我們也請相關的司法單位檢調單位在了解那麼如果有不法等等的情況就會依法來移送或是辦理那這個部分確實是 |
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在提名的在當時任委員的時候也都有經過一些相關的資料跟相關的查核那當時可能沒有發現他在卸任之後會有這樣的一個行為那這個部分我們表達也要檢討改進行政院一定要檢討那另外就是有關那我接下來謝謝民主黨我算是不是請那個不當黨產委員會的林峰正主委 |
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主委您剛剛在會前接受媒體的訪問的時候表示說國政基金會並沒有被認為是國民黨的覆水組織但是如果他沒有被認定為是國民黨的覆水組織為什麼國政基金會會被查封為什麼我們一些這個公部門的這個這個案子呢國政基金會都被封鎖甚至捐款呢也因為大家害怕被打查水表而不敢捐款 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員 |
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議員會議中央政府總預算案有關 |
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打垮最大在野黨就能長久執政所以執政黨產會就是執政黨追殺國民黨的筷子手所以您主委您剛在媒體之前說這些大言不慚的風涼話覺得非常非常的可恥 |
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國政基金會確實沒有經過我們認定為國民黨的附隨組織,所以依法我們不可以去監管它。至於說國政基金會為什麼收不到外界的捐款? |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。breviation of National Government of the National Government of the National Government of the National Government |
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黨產會的追殺還是受及既往喔尤其是我們一些國民黨的黨營事業都被你們認定為是不當的黨產所以打壓國民黨都判決決定因為這個司法的這個都是用你們說實在的司法現在都是聽這個民進黨這個黨產會的所以我們每一次都是只能透過行政救濟跟政府打官司可是到現在為止說實在 |
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答案有關行政委委員會預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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我想這個是現在我們看到就是這樣的狀況所以我希望這個黨產會不要再用這種政治追殺的方式來去追殺議題然後目的就是為了要讓這個這個執政黨能夠長久的執政下去好謝謝徐宇峻委員再來我們請吳啟明交委謝謝 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議員會 |
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二、處理114年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。breviation of the Personal Data Protection Act. |
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各自的保護這一定要趕快的上路不然你這個打詐這個問題就沒辦法那麼快速的去處理去解決是不是請秘書長來說明在114年的8月才掛牌成立那這樣時間是不是會拖了很長 |
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跟委員報告雖然他目前是籌備處的形態但是目前籌備處他就可以執行相關的一些業務所以對於部會的協調督導或者甚至相關的一些行政的處理他都目前就可以執行不用等到正式掛牌 |
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議員議員議員議員議員 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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委員報告就是剛剛在講到打詐的這部分的話目前進階段因為涉及到有關於各自外洩的這個議題那行政院本來就在現行就已經有一個有關於個人資料保護執行的聯繫的會議那我們現在是這個會議的幕僚機關 |
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候有這樣一個平台我們會整合現有中央目的事業主管機關在進行歸管非公務機關個人資料保護業務的這部分我們會透過這個平台來繼續加強督導那另外剛剛 |
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委員會再質詢到現有的人數89人是預算員額目前就是有關人事總處是跟我們先說36人先給我們今年先去做發展的一個現有的人數但是未來會繼續依照我們業務的開展 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2、處理113年度 |
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議員會議結束 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 proporto6、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。ympto6、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。ympto7、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。ympto8、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。ympto9、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。ympto10、審查113年度中央政府 |
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兩岸是不是有快速道路的規劃也就是板龍快速道路那我想這個部分已經開始著手在做可行性的規劃那我們希望能夠盡速的來推動讓往來龍潭這個樹林山峽還有土城到板橋這邊的民眾 |
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候議員議員議員 |
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因為當初在總執行包括行政院包括交通部部長他們的引落是吐存到三小為優先階段那是不是因為你要有優先階段你後面才能推動到大西龍潭是不是能照當初行政院長他們的考量來配合推動 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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來,謝謝主席,麻煩有請秘書長。請,委員好。秘書長好,今天行政院預算的結論報告裡面提到有關於追悼者保護法的事情。我看了報告,我必須要說,我非常震驚。追悼者保護法,民進黨政府從2017年,從2017年,私改國事會議做成結論說要定, |
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定到今天我在院會質詢院長的時候他告訴我還在研議結果你們今天交出來的報告你們今天交出來的報告是秘書長你覺得在行政院院長卸任以前崔少哲保護法的報告提的出來嗎? |
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我的了解是他在今年的3月4號有再送到院我知道,我們不斷的在審查啦有的問題5月19號之前提的出來嗎?我想我們朝這個方向來努力但是但是有困難是不是?你有困難就說有困難嘛 |
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有沒有困難?呃我的了解是羅政委還在持續的呃溝通跟我再問你說考量公部門制度較完善清廉度要求較高為了尊重公司治理政策定調為公部門先行私部門採取行政指導請問這個政策何時定調由誰定調 |
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目前我的了解是他的法案的內容是以公部門的接避者保護作為主頭你不用跟我講今天你們提了書面報告到內政委員會來嘛行政院提這個報告就要負責嘛說政策定調是公部門先行私部門再看看用行政指導這個政策何時定調由誰定調這是我的問題請回答 |
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我的了解是目前法務部提出來就是這個內容那至於這個協商的過程我可能還要再進一步的了解今天行政院提給立法院的報告做了這麼重大的政策宣示到底是由誰定調何時定調這件事非常非常重要為什麼重要施改國事會議的結論崔少哲保護法的部分是公司部門都要定還是只要定公部門就好了 |
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是公司部門都要訂還是只要訂公部門就好了我們的瞭解當時大家的期待是希望公司部門都能夠有配照品那不是大家的期待啦那是思改國室會議的結論啦第二個行政院提出來的聯合國反貪腐公約第二次國家報告裡面報告的內容說要訂的是公司部門要一起訂還是可以只訂公部門這報告是你們行政院寫的啊 |
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你們在國家報告裡面敢這樣寫結果今天送到內政委員會來的報告政策方向180度大轉彎欸誰有這麼大的權限無視施改國是會議決議的內容誰有這麼大的權限 |
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把國家反貪腐公約的國家報告最新的國家報告直接丟到垃圾桶所以我們現在只要訂公部門不要訂私部門所以我才問你嘛所以我才問你嘛到底是誰做的決定什麼時候做這個決定憑什麼做這個決定並不是私部門就不受監管或是不入法但是這是一個循序漸進的過程因為當初拖了半天所有的行政官員 |
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給唐賽的理由是私部門要定範圍要弄多大是不是限於上市櫃的公司問題很複雜大家還在討論 |
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結果沒有跟社會報告沒有跟社會溝通推翻撕改國事會議決議的內容把自己聯合國反貪腐公約的國家報告丟到垃圾桶做這樣的政策宣示出來所以我才要問嘛誰做的政策決定誰要負責憑什麼做這個決定 |
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您回去了解清楚了以後請行政院正式發一個新聞稿跟全體國人解釋可以嗎? |
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我想這個部分就是他並不是把私部門排除在外而是這是一個循序漸進的立法的過程公部門先行那如果順...你們上面不是寫嗎對政策定調你們現在就是要做公部門嘛我講白話我就是私部門的沒有在吹哨子保護法的範圍內嘛我有說錯嗎對但是未來不排除會把私部門加進來我跟你講啦未來的事情就不要再講了啦 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。我接下來要請教你就是說有一個很皮的人叫張剛偉 |
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因為你接下來要接交通部部長了嘛我直接先跟你檢舉我為什麼說他很皮2019年遠東航空無意警停飛被交通部廢證了當初張剛維啊政商關係很好找了一團人想要幫他來去解套看可不可以不要廢證然後呢 |
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還去找了廖燦昌來幫他喬貸款現在廖燦昌炸彈的事情因為遠東航空的事情被起訴囉張剛維自己偷空遠航的事情也被起訴囉然後我們從檢察官2020年7月的起訴書才發現有人檢舉張剛維後台很硬啊原來是真的啊 |
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除了找廖燦昌以外後面還找了當初行政院的副院長林錫耀檢察官有跟監喔起訴書裡面的內容指證歷例指證歷例張剛維是仗誰的事啊行政院副院長幫他出面找廖燦昌搞炸彈 |
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然後什麼然後是遠航被廢證了以後現在很皮阿我今天就是要跟準交通部部長檢舉阿他很皮阿雙山機場遠航的總部阿賴著不拆賴著不拆還讓我們的交通部阿去申請強制執行秘書長這件事情你有沒有掌握 |
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這個部分我大概也是從包括相關的文件跟媒體的報導有所瞭解你全部都是從媒體瞭解的目前的那如果就任之後我會再進一步的深入瞭解不過我知道這個案子整個是在張崗偉沒有跟你提過這件事整個是在司法的審查的階段張崗偉沒有跟你提過這件事沒有你認識張崗偉嗎我認識這個人你認識這個人是 |
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他找你見面的時候都沒有講這件事?沒有是沒有見面還是有見面沒有講這件事說清楚有一次我在一個朋友的聚餐裡面知道有這個人的存在只有在這個時候知道這個人的存在?是真的嗎?是真的嗎?嗯 |
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我現在給你機會講清楚喔因為現在我們的國會制度不夠齊全啦在國會說謊是沒有關係啦隨便亂講都沒有關係不用負責任啦所以我們現在才在推國會改革嘛未來在國會的時候說謊就有責任喔這一題我請秘書長回去回想想清楚喔你上任交通部部長的時候我一定會問 |
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我一定會問今天我先把光入了鋪好了是請你回去回想清楚張剛維這個人在行政院到底是借誰的事可以嗎可以好謝謝好謝謝黃國昌委員再來請麥玉珍委員質詢謝謝 |
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謝謝主席。我們有請行政院秘書長。好,秘書長好。想要請教一下對於吹消者保護法的推進。我們聽到社會各界都支持立法的聲音很久了。請問行政院的態度是什麼? |
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吹哨的保護法我們是來保護這個相關的檢舉檢舉人他的權益他不至於受到相關的一些處分我想這個部分我們是支持覺得這是一個進步的社會所應該有的一個法令 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。namon |
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總統曾經說過立法院因為太多黨的聲音所以呢變成修法的阻礙但是吹嘯者保護法的我們的三黨派都在上一個會期各自有提出版本且我們都有共識要通過請問我們行政院版新的法案版本到底何時可以提交 |
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是否認同這種將責任推卸給立法院的做法? |
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我想行政院絕對沒有把責任推卸給立法院但是到現在還沒有看到你們新的法案的版本目前就是因為各界大家對這個法案還有很多的意見所以法務部目前在今年的3月把相關的法的草案送到院裡面來那院裡面正有法務的政委在做相關的審查 |
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來也在徵詢各界的意見那如果一旦法案成熟也比較周延就會送到貴院經過行政院議員會之後就會送到貴院你可以保證會送過來嗎?因為你要卸任因為現在你說的有效的嗎?目前還在徵詢的階段那如果法案比較周延我想完整也成熟就會來送到貴院來 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案 |
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相關的要求好本席前日在內政部委員會有質詢就有問過我國不只是平均地權條例民眾對各界的政府大多數的檢舉機制還有就是都必須實名制現在連黃牛要檢舉都要實名制 |
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所以很多案件內容都涉及利益非常的龐大現在我們這樣的機制真的能保護我們的檢舉的人嗎?並且有達到鼓勵檢舉的目的嗎? |
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目前這樣的機制就是讓檢舉人他的工作權益他不會受到他的被檢舉的上級或者是被檢舉的主管有所這個在行政上的一個對他的施壓或者迫害我想目前這些法條確實都有這些相關的規定但是也還在怎麼樣可以讓他更周延也不至於被腐爛的這個使用我想這個部分還在做相關的徵詢 |
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﹑一、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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議員議員議員議員 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netes, 行政院中部聯合服務中心副執行長被報出在任職經濟部所屬的雜糧發展基金會當任執行長的時候,涉嫌虛報公帑 |
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後面就把這個款就繳回了竟然還可以繼續當任這個職務真的太離譜了關於就是官員從事違法活動後的處置問題目前看到的很多案都是高高就提起就輕輕放下來就當作就是我們官員貪汙還是一樣可以繼續來去任職 |
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要還了不當的得利還這否就是不用再追嚴其他的責任我們行政院如何追嚴更深層的責任以嚴防未來類似這樣子的腐敗發生 |
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像這個部分陳景倫先生已經我們有要求他把相關的議領的差旅費都已經繳回繳回就是還可以繼續擔任還是省官那另外也已經把他的證件相關的這個這個市政都移送地檢署那麼正在做相關的查證有沒有犯罪或貪賭的這個這個問題也沒有停職也沒有留職查 |
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那這個如果查證屬實我想後續就會對於職務上來做處置如果只是說我們的官員和公務人員都那個涉嫌貪污的話我們必須要遠景還有用那個程序我們的證據要確定後因為大家都花很多時間來去查所以然而我們的公眾對於這個程序就是那個具體的步驟 |
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都沒有透明所以我們希望呢我們這些都是要我們民眾非常的關切的所以我們希望我們的政府要公正要透明讓更多人可以看得到但是我們政府卻一拖再拖這樣子的議題希望我們能夠正視這個問題可以嗎?如何確保我們的程序還有透明化 |
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是,我想這個部分確實是相關政府部門的相關的核銷或是經費的請領他除了主會計另外還有政風那事後還會有審計單位是的,因為大家都在忙這個但是呢,我們是繳回後還是可以繼續認指 |
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如果是沒有發現的話他不會繳回嘛。繳回還可以任職。現在還在查還在任職還要繼續當官。所以說我們就覺得是不夠透明也不夠再去嚴查了。希望我們行政院這邊要有一個機制還有把我們一個月內把這個透明化還有這個表格要可以給我們。可以齁?是。好,謝謝。 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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本席也曾經去發聲去期望我們行政院能夠開啟事宜考量整個體育署升格的一個可能性那這個其實有很多委員還有很多運動員們大家共同的一個期待而後成立整個體育運動發展部 |
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總統總統總統 |
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道也不是說只是改個名字也不像國民黨上個禮拜那樣子說要求教育部表態支不支持能夠馬上生出一個組織裡面來過去整個體育署曾經是體委會然後後來馬政府時代了變三級的體育署 |
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那部是一個政策制定執行的一個縱向的一個機關那你整個委員會來講的話又是整個政策協調的一個統合的一個橫向的一個機關再把時間走你再去把它往前推的話你說在民國21年的時候啊教育部以前設體育會62年的時候呢多了一個體育部裡面的一個體育師到86年的時候啊 |
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那你行政院體委會去掛牌那在102年教育部體育署成立到今天都一直在教育部的一個架構底下那去推行各種組織的改造以及各種體育運動事務的一個推行放到現在來看的話我倒覺得說就比較不適合現在的一個體育運動發展的一個狀況所以將體育運動當成一個產業來做一個推動的話我相信變成大家的一個共識那準總統520 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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第三個就是回復過去的體委會,這個比較不可能啦,因為你都有準總統的一個政見,這個機率應該是最低。但成立一個新的部會又涉及到整體的組織的部會數目跟總原額法。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne三、� |
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這都不是不會是一個月裡面就有辦法去弄出來的東西但是也要去聆聽社會各界共同的一個心聲那以不得未接來作為運動事務的一個統籌模式看起來是世界的一個趨勢但是這個整個體育事務最重要還是主事者他的決策跟組織文化 |
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議員會提供答案 |
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主管單位的評估的這個提出方案所以我 |
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議員會議主席議員會議主席 |
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因為這個准交通部長當然要去接受別的挑戰我們都認為以你的資歷、以你的能力那處處有餘啦但問題是這幾十幾天內新人大家都一直要求體育部你要是還必輸定嘛你還是有這個統合我倒覺得說這二十幾天也不能就方廢掉啦我們期待啦因為你到520你知道存一鍋的時間而已 |
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議員議員議員議員議員議員 |
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總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲 |
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對。對。 |
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這個是各界大家都很期盼一個更強的體育的組織來推動這個運動運動的這個選手的照顧跟運動的這個體育賽事的這個推動是啊因為你你你不是總部主你是召集百家你是召集百部而已啊所以你們還是議題啊你這個還是要做一個起頭吧好不好而且這個是大家共同的榮譽好好這樣加油謝謝好謝謝我們專家兵委員的資訊謝謝 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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來主席謝謝麻煩請我們李孟彥秘書長。好請李孟彥秘書長。 |
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秘書長剛剛順著委員的質詢因為本席在2021年就特別倡議有講說一定要體育署要有運動發展部為什麼因為運動發展部四大目標跟方向第一人才的培育第二國際的交流第三產業的發展以及第四樂活壯年的永續 |
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這一點是全民從8歲到88歲我相信都可以用運動發展部這邊來含括但是賴清德準總統也好或是侯友宜總統候選人其實在選舉期間都有提出相關的政見都是要體育署升格為運動發展部 |
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那我想確認一下1月13號到現在4月22號了,中間也快三個月過去,那到底我們行政院或者是相關的一個部會有沒有去討論運動發展部的人事預算組織架構怎麼樣來調整?有沒有啟動這樣的討論? |
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呃我的了解是有人事總處他有在呃評估這些方案那不過還沒有呃有找相關部會來討論嗎呃目前我的了解還沒有正式的會議還沒有正式的會議但是他們都還是輪流都還是輪在人事總處內部的溝通而已甚至也沒有政委或是說像秘書長這邊召集各部會來討論嗯是不是正式會議還沒有正式會議還沒有相關的研擬方案有在啟動 |
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所以這就是為什麼我們會期待秘書長這樣的高度因為這個是準總統的一個政見這也是過去不分藍綠草野大家共同倡議的一個方向我們也認為說運動發展部如果真的能夠成立的話這對於台灣的一個國力來講或者說對於我們國際接軌人才交流人才培育都有很重要的方向所以秘書長 |
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一個月內可以嗎?但是至少也讓國人能夠了解如果說你們要做的話到底是要怎麼做或是說預算原額預計要多少?預算總是要出來公務部門要人要錢嘛就兩件事嘛有人才能做事有錢才能做事公務部門就是那麼簡單 |
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一個月內有沒有辦法?我想一個月內我們會有建議方案包括請任總這邊提出來包括土地總部會給新的內閣做最後的拍板本時不逼你啦因為這也確實啦520上任之後我們一定會持續追但是至少你一個月內內部一定要有討論的方案出來能夠來做後續的一個處理 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesi,這也是陳建仁院長在去年12月26號到本席的選區林口。 |
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12962.261 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].end |
12984.787 |
| transcript.whisperx[498].text |
道有做105世道的第一期工程計劃的動工典禮的時候他特別提到第二期的工程計劃他很重視他也覺得說一定要做事在必行那本席也說了新北市政府有跟內政部這邊要求這個生活圈計劃內政部也說回報也已經同意並且送到行政院了我請教 |
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最後這29天有沒有辦法能夠趕快核准下來,讓地方能夠期待早日工程動工?目前他這個計畫是由內政部這邊來……內政部說已經,他們已經,他們也覺得可以,他們也覺得說這個是勢在必行,應該要推動,所以說他們說已經公文往上送了。 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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13024.747 |
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三、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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因為他這一筆下去可能內政部的生活圈的額度就大概少掉非常大的比例那我們之前也提到是說能不能用專案的一個方式那不一定是說要吃內政部的這個生活圈因為他6年計畫內政部一直推說6年計畫他要分年編列我們也講說我們不要一次編列分年編列也可以那即便是內政部6年的生活圈計畫到期相信還會再有後續的延伸計畫嘛 |
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不管是新生活圈計畫不管是生活圈計畫2.0這也是過去民進黨政府最喜歡做的啊我們會期待他比照淡北快速道路以專案的方式那另外有一些比較小的機會就回歸原來的計畫但是其他就是用專案不占原額度您剛有講到說會找主席總處跟內政部這邊來開會本席也特別拜託所以什麼時間你會來召集 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案 |
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秘書長這邊兩個禮拜內召集相關部會並且告訴地方民眾告訴新北市政府到底我們內政部的第二期1054到第二期的計畫補助什麼時候可以達成這樣可以嗎我想這條路確實是可以紓解包括五股交流道林口交流道的這個壓力那讓他可以跟62銜接我想這個他有他的非常重要的價值我們會來支持 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。厲,謝謝。您會支持,所以我希望您真的在任期裡面29天可以趕快達成。未來啦,未來啊,就會到2011跟您見面了啦。 |
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交通委員會在對面所以未來本市也一定會督促也一定會要求我知道您是水利專家交通或者是觀光相對來講可能沒有那麼熟悉但是您願意用開放的態度來聽大家對你有期待那我們希望就事論事專業理性的來討論謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].start |
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主席,各位委員,有請秘書長,還有負責掃紙擬畫的哪個處。行政院今天的報告,恭喜到隔壁,下文部。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13257.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[510].text |
少子擬化對策報告提到本院已建立跨部會運作機制是怎樣的運作機制業務單位要不要說明一下現在是由林鄭委員召開11個部會的平台會議 |
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事實上我執行過衛福部很多次應該在行政院要成立掃紙擬化辦公室而不是在衛福部成立應該是在行政院要成立掃紙擬化辦公室因為掃紙擬化非常非常的嚴重是不是國安問題?秘書長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。stanbul |
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我們看這個人口數的話95年是20萬4千4百多到去年112年是13萬5千多真的是溜滑梯嚴重嚴重所以這樣的一個既然是一個非常嚴重的國安問題但是行政院卻沒有一個少子女化辦公室你可以 |
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教育部教文處教育部教文處教育部教文處教育部教育部教育部教育部 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
教育部的報告也是連我們兩歲的社專班都受的很少我也質詢過教育部兩歲的專班很具體的時間的關係因為那個還有我們的我也要去搭高鐵了廣設完善的拖音中心 |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關審查113年度中央 |
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13432.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。netesle |
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| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
你要具體的提出建議我也是公務員我是30年公務員我常常會提出具體的建議我舉一個例子我當中央人民會副主委的時候我提出什麼呢租屋補助我在人民會的時候提出租屋補助受到當時叫行政院經建會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
競建會副主委競建會副主委競建會副主委競建會副主委競建會副主委競建會副主委競建會副主委競建會 |
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實施3年之後內政部認為這個政策不錯不能只有原住民應該全部不分族群都要有租屋補助是這樣來的所以公務人員很重要你要做詳細的分析說明建議好我就擠一個過去的例子剛才是擠了一個例子我過去我們就擠不是我 |
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13564.56 |
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不是我的例子是大家的例子民國57年中華民國政府開始實施9年國教對不對本來是6年的國教義務教育推行9年國教民國57年喔第一個財政沒有現在再那麼好非常的拮据那時候還是要反攻大陸的年代啊 |
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國防為主為優先啊但是為了教育當時的政府推行9年國教不只是經費的問題啊連教室都沒有啊對不對要新建教室要花多少錢啊免費要讓這些國小畢業全部都可以念國中 |
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13620.1 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。 Minne四、 |
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以上,謝謝好,謝謝我們鄭天才委員的執行,謝謝好,謝謝好,登記花園的委員除不在場之外,其已經與花園完畢執行結束委員王美惠所提書面執行列入紀錄刊登公報 |
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| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
市面執行及未達付部分請相關單位一周內以市面達付並付資本會。 |
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現在進行討論事項審查113年度中央政府總預算有關行政院預算解凍案有2案。司政法治業務預算凍結100萬書面報告及新聞傳播業務預算凍結50萬請各位委員是否同意動之? |
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審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度中央政府總預算凍結書面報告案。閱讀審查113年度 |
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那我們行政院的法案現在我們還討論還有一個事項就是不當黨產不當黨產的預算在113年度中央總預算有關不當黨產委員會預算凍結案有兩案不當黨產處理委員會單位的預算預算凍結100萬的書面報告及一般的行政預算凍結100萬書面報告 |
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| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
請行政院及不當黨產委員會與委員有意見的大家協商一下。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告案計2 |
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二、處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關行政院預算凍結書面報告 |
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第1、第2經理定期在處理大家有沒有意見?沒有意見那我們就散會本日會議到此結束現在散會 |