| IVOD_ID |
15826 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15826 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-23-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
交通委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-18T08:30:44+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-18T12:55:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:24:16 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/f826c2e4afc302dd0a0e131ea932df62ea5b031af9c32cfd3be8d109af184be4a3e1c53ee1ef720e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期交通委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查113年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計31案。
二、審查行政院函請審議「道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及第六十三條之二條文修正草案」案。
【僅進行詢答】
【4月15日、17日及18日三天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:44 - 12:55:00 |
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好,繼續開會。現在我們先介紹列席的官員。王國才部長。會計處張新一處長。陸正及道安司黃韻貴司長。公共運輸及監理司林福山司長。 |
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交通科技及資訊師黃興勛司長統計處劉瑞文處長法制處許鴻達處長綜合規劃師傅桂蘭副司長民航局何淑平局長 |
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氣象署陳佳萍署長觀光署周永輝署長運營所林紀果所長鐵道局楊振軍局長鐵道局啊?塞車在路上那部長為什麼沒有塞車? |
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1849.02 |
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韓港局葉協榮局長台鐵杜威董事長公務局張順清副局長內政部警政署交通組劉正安組長行政院主計總處公務預算處王淺凱專門委員 |
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華華部檢察師謝佑君檢察官介紹在場委員廖先祥委員徐富奎委員本日審查113年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計31案 |
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及大陸交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及六十三條之二條的條文修正草案。我們現在先請交通部王部長報告。 |
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1937.822 |
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主席、各位委員、各位女士先生。今天就本部1億3年度單位預算凍結案及道路交通管理處罰條例的部分條文修正進行報告。敬請各位委員指教。有關本部1億3年度單位預算解凍的書面包括總共有31案。各項預算均配合本部業務推動包括過境安全、交通環境、 |
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1964.727 |
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提升鐵路行車安全、優化飛航服務效能、推展最愛應用、增及公安課來台、提升公共運輸使用率及效益等各種相關建設的經費。本部已經將相關書面報告函報大院。敬請各位委員給予支持。令本部會改善行人第一的狀況在 |
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去年6月30日,立法院也通過修正道路交通管理處罰部分的條文,特別針對危急行人的部分加重處罰及增加民眾可檢舉的項目。我們同時在去年的航班人行空間改善原則改善 |
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機車交通環境之原則作法,行人專用或早開實相的設置原則,還要效應周邊人行空間改善參考指引,有四項指引也配合推動。去年合併永續提升人行安全計劃400億, |
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來積極來協助地方來改善入口人行安全的環境。那在去年修法以後,雖然在大灣的成績上有顯著的改善,但民眾檢舉停車或臨時停車 |
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委會記者案件暴增。各界反映已經嚴重影響包括駕駛人的工作權以及民眾的生活,也造成警察機關執法的龐大的負擔。 |
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我們認為在相關大家所談到實際環境配套還沒有完備前可能衍生很多實務上的問題所以我們有這樣的一個修法本部會廣納各界的意見來擬據道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及第六十三條之二的修正草案 |
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這次修法是以人先以工程代替這個執法那相關的修法是在人行環境跟停車問題改善優化權的前移措施但是雖然我們建議有十項的不開放民眾檢舉但是如果民眾有碰到相關的這些違規的一些狀況也可以打110或是用110APP來報案由警察直接來處理 |
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那這一部分我們會跟檢證署這邊再協調有相關報案也請他們這個持續來處理那以上兩案的報告接下來請會計處張處長跟應書監理師的林司長就他的內容跟各位委員做一個報告敬請各位委員會議執交謝謝好現在先請會計處張處長來報告解凍案 |
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主席、各位委員、女士先生關於本部主管113年度共31案的各單位預算的解凍案 |
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緊究其辦理情形災臣重點二要報告如下:「交通部單位預算有七案為提升民眾用路安全、運輸產業發展需求及大型車輛行駛安全本部以結合車聯網技術等前瞻科技進行智慧交通場域測試對市售國產車進行公開撞擊等安全測試講注業者先期研發及試運行大型車所需八合一整合型安全警示系統 |
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具以設定驗證標準作為產業發展依據,又會落實風險管理並強化數位防禦任性,每年均就所屬機關辦理資通安全、實地查核作業,並持續辦理各項運具調查,強化收集有關勞動及肇事等運輸安全指標之內涵。 |
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2204.693 |
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2229.03 |
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民航局單位預算機有兩案本部與民航局將持續參照國際民航組織發布之規範事實修正法規並檢查航空業者完成安全管理系統的建置及有效運作強化遙控無人機管理制度及宣導教育積極整備及完善各機場之營運以滿足旅運需求另外落實性別平權等相關措施民航局以邀請 |
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2229.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
2245.09 |
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專家指導各國籍航空建議建立這個制服設計應納入員工及工會意見之機制並於下次制服改版前在現有設計下增加複裝制服作為過渡方式。氣象署單位預算有五案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].start |
2246.571 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2267.902 |
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為發揮防災預警效能以及因應人工智慧重點科技發展趨勢擴大再生能源氣象資訊等跨領域層面的應用。氣象署編列預算推動臺灣南部海域地震與海底監測系統的建置計畫,辦理地震海覽鋪設相關工作,建置海峽離岸海象氣象觀測裝,並執行高速電腦 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
2270.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
2275.831 |
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高速運算電腦、混合運算、人工智慧及機器學習、應用發展等委辦計劃。 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
2277.489 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
2287.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
觀光署單位預算有3案。觀光署將以永續與數位雙軸轉型推動低碳生態旅遊及臺灣環島旅遊年為發展重點透過品牌臺灣深耕國際市場魅力臺灣促進產業動能及智慧臺灣落實景區經營等三大政策主頭帶動臺灣觀光整體發展令針對旅宿業值管理也將強化旅宿網查詢功能與使用成效 |
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2305.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
2318.797 |
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主要是將旅客宣導該網站所揭露的旅宿業均為合法同時鼓勵業者提供優質服務並取得相關標章認證揭露於網站以發揮網站行銷優質合法品牌的功效 |
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2320.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2347.342 |
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運輸研究所有三案為強化交通安全與永續發展運輸研究所將持續透過引進各項先進設備、車聯網、人工智慧、影像辨識、無人機等技術辦理道路安全、海氣向資料收集、港灣建設、運輸部門檢探等領域的創新應用另外達成本部完善人本交通環境的目標推動人本交通運輸研究計畫主要辦理強化人車路、橋樑等安全資能與管理方面的研究 |
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2348.163 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
2359.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
公路局總共有5案為落實道路交通安全基本法及行政院公車電動化地方創生及空屋防治等政策公路局持續精進各類駕駛訓練、駕駛人訓練、考照與管理制度 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
2363.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
2381.036 |
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高齡駕駛管理制度、駕照回訓制度等以提高風險、駕駛人法尊觀念及風險意識並辦理公路監理資料庫及資訊基礎設施的升級汰換、組織內部的管理及人才培育、強化運輸業安全管理與監督功能。 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
2382.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
2397.204 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
積極推動公車電動化與偏鄉幸福巴士行駛以人為本、行人優先的交通安全文化令除持續與辦理省道與快速公路之建設與養戶外並將協助地方政府公路系統的建設及改善 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].start |
2398.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2420.36 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
鐵道局有三案為防止治安事件發生鐵道局以導入端點偵測及回應系統能及時監控維護資訊安全另為強化鐵路行車安全以加強各林軌工程的監控作業從制度面執行與執行面導入安全管理系統並成立安全管理委員會每月就所詳林軌工程高風險項目進行風險辨識提出防範對策滾動檢討以降低施工風險 |
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2428.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2449.306 |
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韓港局總統有3案為提升船舶航行安全以啟動強化飲水安全專案、修訂飲水法規加強飲水人在職訓練並持續提升船員專業訓練,另外確保離島基本民行將根據協助地方政府辦理交通船碼頭、旅運設施優化、升級及汰換老舊交通船 |
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2449.966 |
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2465.462 |
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同時也以全面盤點於港內交通船碼頭的設施現況將以提升安全性、優化品質升級及整合動線等指引等目標補助地方政府辦理相關規劃及工程建設。那中上 |
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2466.303 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].end |
2482.938 |
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本部各項施政計畫均系配合國家發展循序推動。那位應實際業務的需求以上大院的決議事項本部均已提出書面報告如附列這個附錄所列的這個大院議案文書近親懇請委員支持並同意相關經費動資異例各項業務推動謝謝現在請公共運輸及監理師林福山市長報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].start |
2496.918 |
| transcript.whisperx[32].end |
2523.349 |
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主席、各位委員還有各位女士先生今天應邀貴委員會緊就行政院寒送立法院審議的道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、六十三條、六十三條之二修正草案及相關修法配套措施進行說明並提出本部的處理建議那有關於本次修正草案整體說明部分在去年6月30號新修正處罰條例部分條文施行後 |
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2524.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[33].end |
2552.528 |
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一百一十二年全年三十日死亡人數較一百一十一年下降四十一人下降百分之一點三三其中包含行人減少十四人下降百分之三點五五但是若以一百一十二年下半年觀察是相較一百一十一年下半年減少一百三十五人下降百分之八點五其中行人減少二十五人下降百分之十點七八 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].start |
2553.768 |
| transcript.whisperx[34].end |
2569.16 |
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對道路交通安全改善稀有顯著的成效但是同時因為放寬民眾檢舉的項目及增加違規祭典的項目導致民眾檢舉停車或臨時停車等違規祭典案件數暴增一年內累計 |
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2572.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[35].end |
2587.808 |
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計點達12點及吊扣兩個月駕駛執照,各界反映以嚴重影響職業駕駛人工作權及一般民眾的生活,並造成警察機關執法量很龐大負擔,鑒於民眾檢舉以背離當時彌補警力不足的立法目的。 |
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2589.089 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].end |
2611.741 |
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違規祭典也因為道路實際環境配套措施尚未完備衍生實務問題,擁有檢討的一個必要。維護道路交通安全及降低違規案件需由中央及地方政府從工程、教育、監理、執法等各面向共同進行改善。道路交通安全基本法也已經在去年12月15日制定公佈,也從今年1月1日 |
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2613.467 |
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2641.782 |
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施行,並以推動制定行人交通安全設施條例,定名各級政府權者以落實提供完善安全的道路通行環境。各地方政府刻意正積極從工程面改善,提供民眾及營業車輛妥適的上下客戶停車或臨時停車及行人空間,希望從源頭來改善以降低各類用路人因道路環境未曾完善而產生的交通違規行為。 |
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2643.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
2663.973 |
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在行人環境及停車或臨時停車問題尚未改善前,經綜合檢討分析交通事故所涉違規行為太陽,區分不同危險程度從有效風險控管的角度,全面檢視民眾檢舉及違規祭典相關規定的合理性,同時為兼顧職業駕駛人工作前及減少因民眾檢舉及違規祭典衍生的爭議。 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
2666.596 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
2680.311 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
交通部廣納社會各界意見檢討修法拟據處罰條例七條之一、六十三條及六十三條之二修正草案。那在第七條之一有關民眾檢舉項目的檢討及修正重點部分 |
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2681.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
2707.5 |
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去年部分條文修正草案中有關於七條之一的修正是增加民眾可檢舉項目13項由原來46項增加為59項增加的可檢舉項目主要是相關注意行人及違規臨時停車或停車的行為那近年來因為智慧型手機行車影像記錄、設備普及民眾檢舉交通違規案件俱增 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
2708.32 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
2733.273 |
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也產生特定人針對性跟拍檢舉,產生社會實務上很大的爭議,也背離當時立法民眾檢舉的目的,所以必須要配套來做檢討修正。行政院函請審議的七條之一,就民眾可檢舉之項目,是檢討修正刪除部分可施予勸導不予舉發的違規事項。 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
2735.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
2758.636 |
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主要是依據95年7月1日施行處罰條例第92條增定輕微違規勸導規定及授權訂定於違反道路交通管理事件統一裁罰基準及處理細則第12條輕微違規得施以勸導名與舉發項目。相關項目系以最高罰款一千兩百元以下為主要基礎。 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
2760.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
2770.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
言語修正現行七條之一所列項目其最高划還新台幣一千兩百元以下的輕微違規限縮不予民眾檢舉。檢討的項目總共有十項包括 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
2776.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
2785.993 |
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騎乘機車未依規定戴安全帽划緩500元騎機車打行動電話划緩1000元騎機車駕駛人邊開車邊點煙或抽煙划緩600元倒車未顯示燈光或不注意行人大型車倒車無人在後指引划緩600至1200元那接下來有關於第五項 |
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2803.908 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
2825.308 |
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第六項跟第七項是有關於這個違規臨時停車的部分。罰款是300到600元。第八、第九、第十是有關於這個違規停車的部分。罰款是600到1200元。那在有關於第六十三條及六十三條之二違規記點檢討及修正重點部分。 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
2826.648 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
2843.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
去年施行處罰條例部分修正條文其中修正將原來在處罰條例63條名列的25項記點的項目那依處罰條例修正授權改於裁罰細則第二條中來做規定那並增加為55項 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
2846.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
2856.278 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
原來僅當場攔查舉發才予以計點亦修正為進行舉發包括科技執法及民眾檢舉等進行舉發案件均與計點同時又放寬民眾檢舉的一個項目導致整個計點案件量暴增 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
2863.086 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
2882.282 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
那一年內這個累計計點達12點及倒扣駕駛執照兩個月這個已經影響到社會實際的一個這個生活跟這個環境那另外一個部分的話因為進行舉發財政照片或錄影無法得知實際的駕駛人之所以上出現不實陳報駕駛人冒名頂替及計點黃牛等這個亂象 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
2885.444 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
2892.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
考量違規紀典累計調控駕駛執照涉及一般民眾駕駛車輛群域外也攸關到駕駛職業駕駛人駕駛的資格及工作權違規行為必須從嚴認定避免及防度規則不易實體審查而衍生的這個亂象 |
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2902.934 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
2927.007 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
計點制度因道路環境配套措施尚未完備衍生實務的問題,所以未取得道安及民眾權益的平衡等,交通部參佐社會各界意見以工程改善手段先替代監禮執法手段,在行人環境及停車或臨時停車問題尚未改善之前,引以修正計點項目及執行方式,包括修正第六十三條 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
2929.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
2955.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
當場舉發案件使予以計違規點數。進行舉發,就是包括科技執法及民眾檢取的案件不予計點。原來現行規定自費參加獎期扣抵違規點數由一年一次兩點為限,提高為一年兩次四點。另外配套63條的修正,第63條之二也配合刪除有關於進行舉發案件違規計點數的規定。 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
2958.649 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
2986.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
在這次本次提出條例的一個修法那相關的配套措施部分這次雖然這個提案修法限縮部分輕微違規項目不予民眾檢舉但是不會因此而降低執法強度也不會產生處罰的漏洞各類駕駛人如有違反道路交通管理規定之違規行為均需處罰凡並依情節依條例規定並受道路交通安全講習、祭典、吊扣或吊銷駕駛執照之處分 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
2988.854 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3007.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
為協助地方政府落實改善道路交通環境,將部在去年從四月到臨底也這個陸續函班四項指引,包括行人空間改善原則,改善機車交通環境原則及做法,行人專用早開十項設置原則, |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
3008.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
3034.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
校園桌邊行人空間改善參考指引提供各縣市政府依據來審視改善轄內的道路交通這個環境另外為貫徹改善行人交通政策的決心行政院在去年5月25日也通過行人優先交通安全行動綱領從工程教育監理及執法四大面向推動19項行動這個方案。更在去年8月 |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
3063.441 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
17日通過更上位的行人交通安全政策綱領來推動道路交通安全基本法建置完整公共運輸系統落實行人交通安全改善等三大精進作為也提出短中長期的執行項目那112年分別在工程面向、教育面向及監理面向、執法面向的各項具體成果就請各位委員做一個參閱 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].start |
3066.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[56].end |
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行政院在去年8月合定永續提升人行安全計劃。計劃集成從113年到116年,4年投入中央補助監會400億元,積極改善入口行人道安 |
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及其改善路口人行道安全通行環境由點自限層面進行從路口道路四方區域之行人安全設施與人行道建置之人行空間工程改善作為目前已合定799處依照市路口改善案件其中內政部有601處公務局198處目前由各單位積極推動辦理當中 |
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另外道路交通安全基本法也在今年一月一號制定施行確立我國道路交通安全 |
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政策方針原則完善我國道路交通安全改善推動制度在道安運作體系方面中央及地方分別設置道路交通安全匯報在中央是由行政院院長召開在地方則由直轄市各縣市政府所長召開以落實中央各機關及地方政府依權者推動道路交通安全工作並就人、車、路、汽車運輸業、交易宣導、執法 |
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緊急醫療救護保險與研究發展等九大面向訂定基本政策作為跨部會各級政府分層擬定計劃並落實分工執行事務的依據。行政院今年3月7號通過行人交通安全設施條例草案函送大院來審議。那大院也在4月16日三讀通過。 |
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條例也經明定內政部應會同各目的事業主管機關擬定行人交通安全設施推動計劃地方政府再拒以訂定行人交通安全設施改善計劃每年公布執行情形並搭配蔣誠機制來徹底執行行人用路環境的改善工作 |
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最後本次修法是在工程系以工程改善手段先替代監理執法手段。相關修法系在人行環境及停車環境改善優化之前的權宜措施。交通部跟內政部會持續會同及促請地方政府務必依轄內道安防治的需求從源頭來改善道路交通安全環境。敬請委員會予以支持以上報告謝謝 |
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現在補充介紹在場委員林國成委員現在要進行詢答先宣告以下的事項詢答時間出席委員6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘委員方案登記於10點30分截止各委員如果提案 |
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請於10點前提出以便議事人員會診。暫定10點30分休息10分鐘。中午原則上不休息。 |
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現在請登記第一號李坤喆召委發言。謝謝主席徐富奎委員。請下王國才部長、林福山司長。有請部長跟司長。 |
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部長對於交通安全一直是國人密切關心而且不滿意的一個重點那當然交通的安全必須從交通的工程、交通的教育、交通的經理以及交通的執法來著手希望能夠改善整體交通安全國人不滿意的這樣的一個狀況 |
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我們對於道交條例啊他是攸關國人的一個安全的一個重要的執法的項目而且是一個重要的依據 |
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我們對於這一次的修法都是以最嚴謹的態度所以在4月3號我依據立院職權行事法第54條召開公聽會邀請各方的團體包括路權團體以及運輸團體社會的專家、學者大家來共同討論然後也依據立院職權行事法第58條在10天內 |
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應字報告給所有的立法委員以及參與會議的專家學者以及團體這個都已經發出去了我想各位委員以及學者專家團體都已經有閱讀過那 |
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接下來我們也依照律院職權行使法第59條就是說公聽會是針對特定議案的重要的參考依據我們都是以最嚴謹的態度來處理倒交的條例那我在這邊 |
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請教一下部長對於道交條例七之一所謂的要取消檢舉的這樣的一個十種樣態你清楚這十種樣態嗎是我了解在我們報告裡面有是好在這十種樣態裡面交通部初步的一個構想是以一千兩百元來作為一個取消檢舉與否的一個依據 |
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我認為這樣的方式是不負責任的我認為這樣的方式是過於消極而且對於整體的這樣的一個交通安全的這樣的一個推動我認為是有衝擊的我們以一千兩百元來做一刀切 |
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是不負責任我認為是應該要以危險的程度來做分級的這樣的一個狀況來部長你說明一下跟照有報告就是在我們道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條裡面事實上它已經有一個規定就輕微規輕微違規嵌倒的這個規定然後它授權的執法就是維護道路交通統一財務的基準跟處理細則 |
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在這裡面他也是把一些項目在一千兩百元以下在這個部分是警察施以嵌倒免以舉花所以我們當時就是按照道交條例跟這個違反道路交通的這個處理細則裡面去訂這一千兩百元 |
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那的確在這個總共現在出來這10項裡面我想說包括上次委員所這個召開的公聽會大家有一些想法但是我們當時的依據就是按照這樣的依據來展示部長我就說我們依照一千兩百元來做處理是平易行事是不負責任的 |
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因為我們必須針對這十種樣態它的危險性以及嚴重的狀況來做分析來做處理我想社會對於這樣的一個處置方式是比較能夠接受的那因為我們這十種樣態在 |
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公聽會我想不只是陸群團體運輸團體也有不一樣的意見他們認為這十種樣態如果以一刀切的方式他們認為也是過於消極而且是便宜形式的這樣的一個態度認為有幾樣是可以討論的 |
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報告。這是公聽會大家一個基本的共識。我在這邊除了要求是以做危險性以嚴重程度來做分級的考量的基準之外。我們今天最主要還是詢答。我們都以最嚴謹的態度4月3號 |
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是召開公聽會那今天是進行詢答那我們會再找時間來做主條的審查那主條審查的時候我希望交通部能夠提出明確針對這十種樣態是否以做分級來做處置或者是這十種樣態會取消 |
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哪幾個樣態來做一個處理來部長簡單說明一下是這一次的公聽會跟大家表達的意見事實上對於這裡的第一項就是未帶安全帽的這部分因為牽涉到機車的安全還有第十項就是身心障礙專用停車位的違規停車部分 |
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大家比較有共識認為這個可以排除那我跟委員報告就是說當時我們是依照這個道交條例還有處理細則過去的規定來做當然每一項裡面是可以討論的部長剛才提出這兩項是可以取消的這樣的一個樣態可以討論跟考慮我認為必須更進一步的針對這十種樣態 |
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必須更積極地討論出相關的處理的方式。希望在下次我們主條審查的時候提出更明確的一個版本。部長我們對於交通安全我想在 |
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之前我具體的要求交通部屢次的宣誓要推動道路的交通安全那我認為口號是不夠的必須要有積極的作為以及硬性的目標所以當初我要求逐年減少5%的這樣的一個車禍的死傷的比例那很可惜部長 |
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報告報告報告 |
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報告告告告 |
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這些死亡的案件都是一個不幸的個案也都是交通部的責任我們如果以這不幸車禍交通意外事故死亡的來做一個分類的話行人大概是400人機車騎士2000人 |
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自行車也很嚴重欸自行車大概是250人客車大概是160人左右所以我們對於整體的交通安全啊不只是道交條例的一個處理啊必須交通工程相關的交通教育交通的監理交通的一個執法都必須要全面的去做處理啊部長我們的成績啊是國人不滿意啊而且啊是不及格來讓你簡單說明一下 |
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報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告 |
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這個黃師長也是在下降中我想說過去在執法、工程、教育方面已經慢慢有成效那我們就往這個方向持續來進行部長我們現在已經依據道路交通安全基本法那行政院在1月25號也通過了道路交通安全的綱要計劃 |
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然後我們對於行人的道路交通安全設施條例在今日之前也在立法院三讀通過但是我們對於整體相關交通安全的改善一步一步的在做推動但是這個每年減少5%的這個成績 |
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沒有做到我想這是部長在離開交通部之前一個最大的遺憾當然在過去這一段期間你擔任次長以及部長的這一段期間也解決了相關的不管是相關的工會的議題以及整體的一些交通的重大議題的一個處置你也有一定的成績但是對於交通安全這個成績是不及格的部長能讓你最後做一個說明 |
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我想說去年的下半年剛才談到8.5%新人是10.78%是一個好的開始等於說去年的下半年包括行政院各部位都動起來今年也開始有點成績我想說這部分就是持續來進行的確我當部長裡面道安是我覺得最遺憾的一件事情我就覺得真的要很大幅的下降 |
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那那這邊我想說這個一棒接一棒然後這個現在已經有下半年已經好的一個開始那我期待尤其現在是由院長主持的大安會報我想說至少在過去這段在去年這段時間我把整個制度把它建好了包括經費4百億的經費包括內政部談到現在安全設施條例包括重量大安會報已經做好了 |
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那以而打底但是過去幾年我提前沒有做好啊我我這樣的一個做好在去年下半年已經有一個成效那我希望繼續往前走好謝謝部長好謝謝謝謝現在請徐富奎委員發言 |
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謝主席。有請王部長跟我們警政署的郵主長。請警政署署長。委員長、區委員長。 |
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呃不讓裝早安哈因為剛剛在我們的醫護報告有提到所謂一個當時針對一個交通違規檢舉的制度是應該要減輕我們警察從來一個負擔啊哈有提到這個部分但是也造成了我們所謂一個大量的檢舉達人的出現那造成所謂一個違規案件跟檢舉案件大量的出現哈 |
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那反而造成我們警察同仁對這些違規案件要進行所謂一個大量的審核。那我想請教部長還有組長這樣的做法到底是幫忙警察同仁還是造成警察同仁的負擔。組長請回答。報告委員有關民眾檢舉的這個制度如果談他的緣起是在民國七年的那一次 |
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行政院送過來的修法但是那次修法一直到85年12月31日才通過86年的4月1日施行但是在長久以來因為當時的數位的這個採證器材沒有那麼充足如果以前要檢舉違規停車的話他一定是要裝軟片拍了之後 |
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衝洗影片衝洗出來的還要一的去洗照片所以一直到大概一百一百零二年左右開始有數位的這一些受證器材之後才逐漸的慢慢的慢慢的增加然後到一百零六年的時候大概每年有一百萬件那一到一百一十年的時候那就已經增加的到五百六十萬件所以在整個過程裡面 |
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並沒有在檢討說民眾檢舉這一些案件一直到一百一百一十一年四月三十號那一次施行的條文才把所有都可以檢舉的這些案件把它濃縮為總共46項就41項的動態違規跟五項的這個靜態違規但是它的量還是蠻大的比如說在民國在一百一十一年的時候民眾檢舉大概是五百 |
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五百三十萬件左右但是在去年修法之後在一百一十二年整年就有八百多萬件的檢舉案件那檢舉如果說 |
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對於交通安全有以及交通這些有改善有幫助的話我知道大家都很辛苦不過就是說我們還是希望這個未來執法上面能更加的謹慎那部長我想就是之前我們召委召開所謂一個立法院的一個公聽會裡面現在比較大的問題是所謂職業駕駛的一個反彈尤其我們台北市的汽車駕駛職業公會說職業駕照被調扣兩個月已經高達 |
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兩千五百位及滿六點的也高達一萬五千位那其實現在所謂的職業駕駛這個是所謂一家人的生計問題那針對這個部分我們當然我們對於用路人的安全我們站在一定安全的考量我們是本席這邊跟我們很多的委員我們都支持這個嚴格執法但有沒有可能針對職業駕駛跟一般的駕駛這個違規記點的制度做一個分流的一個機制 |
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現在是沒有。現在就是用1200的這個所謂的清違規不接受檢舉的這個方式而且我們現在的祭典那個民眾檢舉也不祭典我們這次修法也是這樣我想說除了職業駕駛事實上一般民眾也反映很多不只職業駕駛所以想說一個法令好像也沒辦法去分職業駕駛跟一般駕駛我們這次是通用一次來檢討這樣 |
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那這部分還是請我們例入一下因為畢竟這個很多的生機問題要考量這一次這個就是有很多是在職業駕駛還有一般民眾意見都這一次把它放到裡面那我想昨天我們在業務大群部分也有很多的委員針對所謂的一個落實高風險路段有提出質詢 |
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那針對這部分我們調查相關的資料發現台鐵公司跟高工局對於4月10號這個普悠瑪這個事件的那個看法不一致。那部長是不是認為我們針對我們交通單位是不是應該做一個統整的一個橫向聯繫這個部分? |
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這沒問題 這個我事實上跟公路局還有台鐵公司也討論過因為他這一次的落實是在公路的邊坡掉到鐵路所以我想說在整個未來這一個防落實的防患機制應該考慮更廣一點所以我想這部分我也跟這個局長跟董事長談過他們必要的話在台鐵雖然他自己的邊坡沒問題但是也需要加設這個這個落實的一些相關系統 |
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因為我們台鐵公司有在今年說會增加38處的一個警示的一個裝置但是本期還是要提醒我們交通部跟我們台鐵公司其實我們包含屏東還有好幾個縣市都有一個叫做土石流的一個危險那除了這個落石警告之外那針對土石流跟相關的一些危險的部分有沒有做怎麼樣一個安全的一個警示 |
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報告,有關於屏東縣禁其實我們也有提出落實告警有關於其他邊坡的偵測我們現在也是有制度這個部分我們會再去加強 |
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根據本席掉月的相關資料我們全台灣總共有1700多個土石流潛勢的流域其中只有86處有一個告警系統一定是不足夠的那我想我們交通部不能頭痛一頭腳痛一腳那未來是不是應該針對全台的一個邊坡進行全面的盤點強化我們所謂安全的一個專案的一個計畫 |
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好他們我想這部分請他事實上這些地震不只做花蓮我們事實上在橋樑行捲是全國全國的我想如果有必要的部分我想就加做這應該要盡快尤其我們現在那個汛期要來臨齁這個紅胎啊好大雨一來我想造成土石的危害齁這個有時候造成這個很多的事故啦麻煩交通部這邊盡快能夠來辦理 |
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是,這次的確有一點點低估了所以的確有這個7個縣市沒有發布相關訊息那這個部分我們已經做了相關的檢討並且也提出了一些改善方案下個禮拜會有這個召集了學者專家針對所有相關的改善方案去做比較深入的討論然後未來期待我們在未來在做這個預估的時候能夠更加精準 |
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我還是要提醒一下因為上次我們也有質詢有提到我們因為預算的關係那個海底電纜建置的部分長度有縮短所以預報的時間可能慢了10秒這個是非常大的一個問題部長這部分能不能再支持我們的預算 |
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有關海嵐南部海嵐這件事情的確中間的波折非常非常的多那當然現在我們報了二次的修訂計畫目前南部海嵐這邊的預定的這個長度從800公里縮短為200公里那從6個這個偵測點縮減為3個偵測點 |
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那相關的這個在地震的預警上面大概還可以做到10到15秒海嘯的預警大概可以做到20分鐘那如果我們考慮石川縣的相關的這個地震他們實際發生地震海嘯疏散預警的的狀態來看這個時間大概還能夠能夠達到這個我們在特別在南部地區所需要的預警的效果這部分我們還是要盡快辦理了部長這部分是不是支持一下我們的預算是好好謝謝 |
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好謝謝徐委員發言完畢現在請林俊憲委員發言謝謝主席本席邀請我們交通部王部長王部長 |
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部長好部長我們重視交通行車安全尤其本時我們非常注重大車的造勢你知道在連續假期親民連續假期又發生了大車的死亡車禍你知道嗎我知道4月7號在台64線一部大卡車連續追撞6部車輛造成一位重機的女乘客當場死亡 |
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那為什麼會發生原因呢?根據這位駕駛啊,造勢的大卡車駕駛他說啦,因為剎車失靈。那大車造成的車禍啊,非死即傷啦。那每一次只要有大車造勢啊,都是非常恐怖的車禍。 |
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所以本席也在一直希望交通部你要針對大型車輛的行車安全從這個地方政府要努力看怎麼樣來減少這樣的不幸事件我們來看看 |
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大型車輛死傷人數從來沒有減少過。花了那麼多錢所謂的交通部把他列為重大的施政目標。大型車輛的死傷人數如果以97年到現在增加的快要近一倍了。 |
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死傷人數從8239人到去年的13599人增加了百分之六十幾啦。六十五啦。包括這幾年大型車輛的肇事件數增加了百分之38啦。受傷人數增加超過4成啦。死傷人數也是啦。那為什麼會肇事啊?我們檢討過很多啦。 |
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道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及第六十三條之二條文修正草案：一、審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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我想那個在過去就是他的這個事節被阻擋後世沒有看清楚那是4月嘛那你們在這外面進度嚴重落後啦到今年4月啊你在裝了800台啦對不對好我現在講的不只是這樣子啦那到底還有沒有什麼其他原因我就舉這一次的連續駕駛這個死亡車禍啦這駕駛說他是煞車失靈 |
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負責你有沒有看過大車如果發生車禍啊,一疊疊、一疊疊拗甘蔗,你有看過嗎?結果他車頭煞住了,但是他後面拖的車或者是貨櫃,他會打折,好像甘蔗折斷一樣。所以他們都說就像你一樣拗甘蔗,像甘蔗一樣折斷,為什麼?為什麼會有這種狀況? |
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會不會是煞車系統真的是有問題啊我們什麼原因都檢討過了啊檢討駕駛啦檢討交通安全工程啦檢討視野視野輔助系統那你知道為什麼車禍啊死傷人數啊所有的數字都不斷的增加那其中啊 |
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我來跟你探討這個煞車系統會不會真的有問題因為每一次車禍都會看在看見那種大型車輛阿他會形成一種很奇怪的狀態尤其最近阿常發生大車距去撞護欄阿自己失控阿為什麼會被騙你知道嗎因為他前車頭的煞車跟後面他拖的東西的煞車阿沒有配合啦 |
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前面煞住了,但後面的煞車系統有可能是刺激啦。煞車沒有像車頭那麼好。所以車頭凍會掉,你會怕它凍會掉,它就會倒下。那就很危險啦。它會打折,那個像折乾這個一樣,它就橫擋住其他車道啊。你知道嗎?老闆,你覺得我們現在還有你檢查煞車系統?大車還有你檢查? |
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我跟委員報告一下那個煞車系統的部分大概這個分兩塊第一塊的部分就是說不管車頭或者是後面的這個紙車出來的時候他的煞車系統就必須要符合車輛安全檢測基準的規定那這一塊的話就是剛剛委員有提到一個這個部分我們在這個應該是97年的時候就是這個前後車頭跟這個尾車都是這個都要符合ABS跟動態煞車的部分 |
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經理站驗車有沒有在驗煞車系統?沒有啦沒有在驗煞車系統啦車輛肇事啊 |
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你們檢討原因啦我看你們提供的那個資料啊都像變換車道啦沒有保持安全距離啦或者駕駛精神不集中有沒有從來沒有檢討車輛本身會不會有可能出問題我今天提出這點就是說你已經找遍了那麼多原因啦你都沒辦法改善啦大車的行車安全啦他煞車系統會不會有問題你問他現在煞車系統是怎樣用第一個啦 |
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請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院 |
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那會不會啦他這些組成部分啦我舉個例給你看幾個重要的零件啦煞車的主要成分清單有家啦1234567啦那江湖傳言啦有些ABS的大車的煞車系統喔會稍微減一兩件零件啦尤其像那個駐車法還有快放法有的ABS系統啦全部都倒啦 |
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還是說他磨損以後他就沒有沒有更新啊我跟你看啊部長你看這張照片哦我們的大車在驗車哦他就這樣四張照片哦這樣就算過關啊到底他車上裝了什麼系統哦出場的時候啊以一台檢驗車過關然後以後啊就從來不會再驗到煞車系統 |
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稍後稍後稍後稍 |
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這一個如果發生事故一般檢查檢查會不會了解這個煞車到底有沒有問題如果發生事故的話有沒有因為從來沒有在檢驗你造出車輛的煞車啦一般都是好像酒駕啦看酒駕後有沒有問題你們有沒有查過煞車系統就是說ABS它的整個所有的煞車系統裡面有減少零組件的 |
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跟委員報告一下你提到的這個部分的話就是我們現在就是說大概之前有這個就是說聽到業界有謠傳這樣子的部分所以整個檢測報告裡面要登記的項目然後來申請審驗審驗機構應該要查核的部分都已經有做一個調整修正那剛剛委員提到事務上就是說來我一個實際的問題齁來我再給你們兩萬參考後來交通部有開一個會啦針對這個煞車系統你們有開一個會 |
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車安中心認為要有檢驗啦。副委員都同意啦。你跟我們報在這個會議頂頭的人都同意啦。三到四都要檢查啊。我們就沒消息。 |
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這個會議是去年喔。2023年3月連續開了兩場。4月也開會。我是要幫你們找肇事原因啦。我要看結果啦。大車的肇事件數逐年增加。死傷人數也增加。 |
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議員議員 |
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好,那個跟委員報告第一個當然是我覺得駕駛也有關係第二個是您談的車輛但是如果在這個會議裡面談到在檢驗要把它納入我想這部分我要了解一下為什麼後續後續沒有動作因為我再了解一下如果要的話我是覺得這部分很重要但是他們的相關檢驗車的單位有沒有準備好我實際上有問題啦我們主席已經站起來了謝謝部長謝謝局長請問這部分你要落實啦好不好好謝謝 |
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好謝謝現在請廖先祥委員發言好謝謝昭偉那一樣請部長請王部長 |
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謝謝部長其實在這個今天當然我也是想請教道交條例啦昨天我剛剛聽到軍縣委員的這個詢問啦我自己本身心有戚戚焉啦所以我也想補充一下其實我在我自己本人在高速公路曾經發生過被追撞的事件那就是在隧道前那可能因為燈光你還怎麼樣那反正就是大概就是大概在100左右的時速走嘛然後走走突然前面那台車是靜著的狀態 |
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稍後稍後稍後稍後稍後稍後稍後稍後稍後稍 |
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報告 |
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那今天回到這個道交條例喔那其實部長應該也非常清楚我的立場啦那其實我們在院會的總質詢也討論過嘛那時候部長有說那個我們警察單位每次我們都會說這個警察單位可以來附和我們的檢舉嘛不會降低執法的強度嘛我也去內政委員會問過我們那個 |
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您會期待您會期待民眾檢舉之後你自己本身是檢舉人您期待你幾分鐘檢舉之後幾分鐘警察可以到場 |
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報章講不出來啊。他不敢講一個數字嘛。因為警察他有很多房東的業務嘛。其實檢舉交通違規是應該是排序到比較後面的。我們訓練一個警察我也不期待說訓練的一位警察在警教訓練之後結果他很多的業務都是在檢舉交通都是在出勤這個取締交通違規 |
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我們應該是賦予警察更重要的社會安全的一個責任嘛那我們現在把這個檢舉制度取消我不認為是對於警察的業務的降低啦那個勤務的降低有幫助啦畢竟你出勤花的時間你可以在內部處理很多件的這個網路的一個檢舉啦那 |
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這個當然道路交通的改革啦一定是循序漸進啦那或許在一開始的時候我們走得太快了這個民間社會他沒有辦法接這個有一些反彈的聲浪所以說我們在去年的時候也有調整過一次了嘛就是在一般的紅黃線已經沒有辦法接受民眾檢舉了其實在那一次的調整路權團體的反彈聲浪並沒有那麼的大嘛對不對並沒有像這一次反彈那麼大那也了解我們社會的交通的一個 |
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委員會議。 |
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這個我自己開車也會違規但是在違規的時候我們駕駛人會有怎樣的一個心態有黃線的地方我們一定是先停黃線嘛有黃線的地方我們先停黃線沒有黃線的地方那黃線啊大家休停一下大家平常你你我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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有更高的交通安全的因素或已經侵犯到其他族群的一個通行的安全了所以說這次的反彈才會那麼大嘛那我也包括過剛剛我們趙薇講的我們用1200來做一個區分那確實是比較粗糙老師講實相我也不是說都不能接受啊你說這個 |
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安全帽沒戴安全帽說真的沒戴安全帽你影響到的安全是你自己你自己要把自己暴露於這麼危險的交通環境中說實在那是你的事情說實在那是你的事情那但是你在交叉處這個入口處停車或者是在連行道你就已經侵犯到有在更危險的情況下嗎 |
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所以說當然我這可能有些話已經跟部長討論過了那在後續的審查我也會有我的立場那包括過第1年度上次在公聘會因為發生大地震部長不在嘛第2年度是我認為可以討論嘛因為這個很容易就被針對駕駛的工作權益他被盯上了我個人思維我跟你一天你可能就GG了對不對跟你一天你就掰掰了你就被吊罩了嘛對不對那 |
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因為這個責任也不一定在駕駛而是店家沒有提供足夠的這個停車空間給駕駛所以我認為祭典支柱是可以調整的但是我們在循序漸進做交通改革的時候我們應該是在引導式的你在不能不而歸的情況下你應該要先去挑比較不會影響到大家的停車的空間包括你也不要去併排嘛我們應該引導他所以說在如果說這一次我們直接取消的話 |
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這個檢舉的項目的時候我們可以說是回到了原點那我認為保持山的狀態應該是一個比較有引導式的方式讓駕駛在逼不得已回歸的時候也要讓駕駛注意哪些地方真的是你沒辦法停車的時候你也不要去那邊停車 |
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我個人的理想那包括記點制度你說民眾檢舉那當然我持開放太多那有一些動態的或是比較危險的違規那可能還是要有保留因為這些警方沒有辦法去做檢舉那包括你說檢舉打了一天檢舉了幾百件這個當然也可以限縮啊這個都實名制的 |
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我們當然如果說這部分造成警察或是社會很大的一個反感的話我們其實很簡單實名制我們去去獻出的一個量就好了而不是說現在的方案直接把原本的推行往要往前走的地方回到回到原點啦那最後的一點時間啊就是我們這個在發生行人事故的時候我們應該有統計哪個年齡層的發生事故的比例最高嗎應該有嗎 |
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報告 |
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價食啊,那行人有時候真的也是要負擔一部分的責任,他有沒有守交通安全,他們有一個防衛行走的一個比如說防衛價食嗎,那行人也要有保護自己的一個概念,那其實在地方上都會有很多 |
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嗯...以清北市政府來講會有很多的地方的老人共餐、重陽街的活動或是其實很多地方性的活動都是長輩會去參加的那其實地方政府都會請一些消防單位、環保單位去做現場的宣導政府也希望說有時候辦個活動錢都花了我們應該有政策宣導的一個目的性在而不是說大家去那裡可能拿起來便當領個餐盒就回家嘛對不對錢花下去要有效益那我們監理單位有沒有 |
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這有沒有辦法就是後續針對這些高齡者的族群我們透過地方舉辦的活動我們可以去主動去詢問那我們在相關的活動去做一個宣導讓我們的長輩也應該要有一個安全行走的一個觀念而不是說大家絕對不會同意行人絕對是最大的一定是一旦互相尊重大家都在走交通安全那這部分部長怎麼看是好 |
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第一個就是去年雖然我先前面的問題去年雖然我們有處理那個是一個很臨時性的處理那因為今天要送到這個立法院來修稿我們必須系統性的那我剛才談到一千兩百元是在我們處罰條例九十二條跟我們的事情細則裡面有規範這個叫做不宜舉花他已經有了說明就用這樣的一個基礎來做系統性的那當然 |
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實相裡面要不要改我想我尊重這個委員大家討論的結果那現在高齡者事實上去年那個新人死亡380是第一年來贏最低了事實上去年有一定的效果死亡但是我們大概有1600個那個陸老師那個委員聽到這個是我們在每一年都是找找很多人訓練去老人家的活動地點去做一個宣導這幾年來我感覺有一些成果但是的確 |
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謝謝廖謙祥委員 |
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在此先做一個宣告。等一下蔡吉昌委員、何清純委員、魯明哲委員發言完畢之後,我們會休息10分鐘。請各黨團助理告知在後面要發言的委員。本日有委員提出臨時提案。 |
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以本會的往例在登記諮詢的本會委員發言告於段落後要來做處理那稍後我們也會在魯明哲委員詢答完畢之後休息10分鐘然後在休息10分鐘之後開會的時候隨後要立即處理臨時提案也請黨團助理來告知貴黨的一個委員 |
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好,現在請蔡其昌委員發言。謝謝主席。請部長。請王部長。 |
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部長早部長那個首先第一個題目我想來討論一下那個我們海線的鐵路的這個雙軌劃那今年年初已經核定了嘛那本席想說利用質詢這個機會再一次來就交交通部接下來的程序是我們會進入這個中規跟西部設計那這個時程大概 |
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預計的狀況大概我現在簡單講一下就是說海線雙軌核定但是我們要跟現在的這個海線高價化做一個整合對對對所以他們大概把這一個東西做一個討論對那後續這個海線過以後就是做綜合規施程是不是來我請局長來 |
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跟委員報告一般我們鐵路的這個中規作業大概需要15到18個月左右那目前因為剛合定我們正在做招標的準備作業所以確確的期程一旦確定會跟委員報告 |
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因為我想部長、局長都很清楚本席長期對於海線的雙軌化其實非常的關注而且過去八年我們不斷不知道開過多少次會議那這個事情的重要不只是只有本席選區的問題海線的雙軌化是讓整個台鐵的運量過去三線都是爆滿的 |
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報告 |
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所以這麼多年來的爭取努力我們也完成了可行性評估本席也是按照程序不會提特別條例要求你們多少之內要做好沒有那本席不斷的只是督促要求做一個立法委員的這個權利底下要求你們要盡速要趕快那你們不快本席就罵 |
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你們快我就給你們鼓勵所以現在總算已經可行評估做完完成而且馬上要進入中規但我們又卡到了一個高價化的問題也就是本席過去啊本來在林部長擔任林市長的時代我們所提的是海線是鐵路雙軌高架是一個案子 |
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後來在幾年前本席覺得這個雙軌化跟高價化如果在同一個案子的情況底下因為高價化依照規定涉及地方政府要部分負擔所以也因為地方政府如果不願意出這個錢那高價化就會一直卡住所以我們把它切開來雙軌歸雙軌、雙軌高價歸雙軌高價所以也因為如此我們才可以得以在這個時間點完成雙軌化的評估 |
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但現在又面臨到捷運南線 |
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會穿過台鐵所以我們勢必有一段他可能會涉及到高價但是這個只要涉及到高價又要地方政府出錢所以本席的結論是如果台中市政府這麼多年來他還是不願意出錢那本席會要求站在海線鄉親的立場我會要求說雙軌化你一定不能被耽擱啦就雙軌化不能因為一直等待 |
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沒有效率的地方政府或者持不出錢的這個地方政府不重視這個海線雙軌高架的地方政府結果讓我們的雙軌化受到耽擱這件事也是本席不能夠接受的所以你們一定要有一個時間跟地方政府做最有效率的溝通要做就要做一個月啦要不然我們雙軌不能停不能雙軌 |
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立法院行政院通過了就為了等地方政府一拖再拖這個是鄉親不能夠接受的所以如果地方政府堅持不願意出這個錢 |
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我們的雙軌化不能被耽擱影響。是這樣有沒有問題?是,我剛剛跟蔡委員長報告的確這個我們過去的雙軌的確被台中的海線的高架還有大清烏日這個所耽擱一段時間那現在我們覺得沒辦法等所以直接這個核定這個雙軌 |
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那現在原來他是用三手線現在會分大清屋次還有包括海線還有這個另外就是彩虹線切三個段一岸變三岸我們現在看起來就是說現在問題應該大清屋次跟海線這個應該都沒有問題但是的確台中市政府提到要中央前路負擔因為這個包括高雄包括北部幾乎都按照現在遊戲規則在走 |
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所以我們是期待就是說趕快確定啦確定以後就是可以剛才談到了不管跟藍線的界面跟這個雙軌的界面就可以趕快建立起來這樣部長現在目前啊如果中央全額負擔大概全台灣有多少縣市等著中央全額負擔的高價化這個這個很多 |
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很多你有沒有算過這個預算大概幾兆或者幾千億現在那個各個地方非常多比如說有的是高價有的是這個地下比如說桃園他要負擔很多錢嘉義現在做也要後遣那個叫立體化對對那個都是立體化這個部分是大家都包括嘉義現在在施工那每個都回到說不要出錢對所以這個沒有政黨考量嗎對沒有就一致嘉義市嘉義縣還嘉義市 |
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欸兩個都有啊都有嘛所以所以不會因為嘉義縣是民進黨執政所以你就同意嘛不會嘛吼對所以這個一定要對外說明清楚啊就是因為我們必須要這個預算必須要合理化啦地方政府對於每一個縣市政府他要立體化就是高價或地下他要進行專業可行甚至未來營運的效率的評估嘛對不對所以我們希望中央地方分別來負擔嘛 |
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那這個也是馬總統時代通過的辦法嘛是是好所以呢我想這個要對外說明清楚所以本席還再一次強調海線的鐵路這個雙軌化不能因為地方政府不出錢在高價化問題上不出錢而導致雙軌化受到延誤這個我想我再一次強調好這個沒有問題啦好我們現在都分開個別就要再走對對就是我也贊成雙軌高價啦我不是反對我很贊成 |
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但是不可以因為一個地方政府他持不出錢這個憤死抵抗所以我們的雙軌化就因為這樣被耽擱了這個不行好那第二個問題我想昨天我有提到這個光光的問題部長去年疫情前我們的高峰是1000萬對不對 |
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這個英鎊接近一千兩百萬不好意思超過一千萬一千兩百萬嘛187對那去年是多少648那今年預估多少現在就一千萬以一千萬目標目標那一到四月覺得狀況好不好 |
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對我們是第一季195195點將近200將近200比去年成長多少相對去年的話但是已經恢復到七成了去年多比去年成長嘛對比去年的第一季成長沒錯比例因為你目標要一千萬嘛所以你要按計答 |
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答標這個跟會長報告就是說第一季如果兩百萬乘以四都八百萬嘛對對對那我們是覺得這是往上升的所以我們目標是一千萬所以我覺得你要按季去追蹤啦不然的話等到你最後12月到了發現哎呦還差這麼多 |
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那時候你已經沒有方法了但你按計檢討你就可以發現這個趨勢對不對啊我們還有可以用什麼方法因為今年到現在才4月嘛換言之還有好幾個月你可以想辦法我們是跟2019比好那奧邦的話我們今年成長多少大家都在講說欸 |
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現在旅遊型態改變了。觀光型態改變。大家都愛出國。政治這個說大家是批評到說這個比較窮的人出國。台灣比較貴所以有錢留在台灣沒錢的人出國。2019年是1700萬。2019是1700萬出國。那去年呢? |
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數字對不對?就是說蘇國奧邦的數字是不是很明顯的上升? |
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還是這個只是大家感覺機場人很多所以大家就說相對去年是成長是成長的立即也很明顯的成長對不對對好所以旅遊型態真的在改變那旅遊型態改變我今天就先姑且不論長期這幾年長期問題像缺工啦等等問題那 |
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部長或署長有沒有想過今年阿怎麼樣用什麼方式讓旅客可以增加時間到了是嗎好來來這個問題回答完就好提供說明資料因為我們現在是要五路齊發啦就是說我們確實也需要增加點然後增加推廣會增加露出戶外室內的還有社群我提供一個啦就是說我覺得還是要有你還是要有亮點啦我隨便舉一個例子齁 |
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大巨蛋完工大巨蛋是一個為棒球或者表演的成立的建築物就是說他一開始出發絕對不是為了台灣的觀光但是因為這個建築物的完成你看我們的直棒的統計數據就可以發現很多人來大巨蛋看球除了球迷之外還有第二種人是他來觀光的 |
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他把大巨蛋視為觀光景點他來體驗一下哎呦坐在一個室內棒球場看棒球是他這一輩子沒有過的體驗所以他把它當他的觀光概念大過於看球賽的輸贏那這個叫什麼這個就是我講的觀光要從這裡做起那個杜董事長也有來嘛那你看喔杜董事長你坐就好了因為時間已經到了你看喔台鐵 |
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這個公司化之後台鐵開始跟民間合作比如說跟這個什麼雄獅旅遊去坐那個什麼這個列車啊明日號什麼的對明日號到今天為止都還一票難求嘛對不對啊對 |
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那一票難求為什麼不複製啊就是說我的意思說交通部底下光不要講到行政院不要講政府光交通部底下我們就可以我們有很多的商機啊其實都在我們自己的部裡面的管轄範圍觀光不可以靠觀光署一個人啊他必須要統合啊啊統合怎麼去觀光的資源應該是我抓到了重點然後我把它放大 |
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你光光你每年編的預算你要去蓋什麼那怎麼可能蓋得了呢你一個都蓋不了啦但是你必須要抓到亮點然後透過行銷放大透過行銷把它放大 |
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變成他的效益會更高這個本席認為這個才是重點嘛 對不對所以你看像鐵路應該請杜董事長他趕快看台鐵公司還有什麼資產可以跟觀光做連結他台鐵的目的本身他是交通嘛他是運輸嘛可是現在不能這樣來思考這個問題好不好不好意思主席耽誤了很多時間謝謝謝謝蔡委員法言完畢 |
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蔡委員也是職棒聯盟的會長。也來這邊做置入的行銷。現在請何欣淳委員發言。謝謝召委李坤澤委員。我們請部長。請部長。 |
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道路交通安全基本法 |
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那在這個上位法之下呢事實上我們要面對很多挑戰因為呢我在把這一張我做的整理出來的這個圖來告訴大家我們有好多好多的拼圖法規必須要去修必須要去整理必須要去爬書那我也很高興呢我們在4月16號那三讀通過了這個行政交通安全設施條例那我記得我也有到內政委會去參與討論跟發言 |
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除了這個之外呢我想就是今天的道路交通管理處罰條例的草案我們要進行修法但是我要請部長你看我整理了這些事實上我們中央還有地方各地方政府他所有的交通管理的法規 |
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自治條例或者是設計標準規範還有處理細則管理辦法等等還很多所以我記得上次去年在也是在交通委員會部長有跟我承諾我們呢這個道路交通安全基本法三讀通過之後我們要利用半年的時間來盤點那定一個明確的時程來告訴國人說我們如何對台灣的交通安全能夠的把它 |
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而且呢,調整、修改、清楚、明確而且合理化讓安全能夠獲得保障。部長這半年內你整理得完嗎?處理得完嗎?現在時間點是7月1號各單位所管的法令要做一個討論。我舉例來講就是說道路交通標註標註設置規則在過去很多人說好像死板板的要怎麼定那我們現在一年手已經有一個這一個叫什麼 |
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應援所已經有指引他他會告訴比較整體性的這個指引有一個指引出來有一個指引嗎那包括包括這個各地方政府各地方有不同型態的這個樣態的一個道路嗎對不對因為道路系統有太多的不同的樣態跟規定 |
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這個是目前我們覺得最重要就是標記表現如果設置如果不好的話但是過去在這個設置規則裡面是各案式的大家不會錯起來這個也在做現在大概整個在討論是我們現在是以7月1號大家要把它修好7月1號為基準點對不對7月1號之前應該還在盤點而已啦部長 |
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那7月1號他那個我們的部門應該很快我們部門現在已經我要拜託部長啦我覺得這個是持續性的我們7月1號之前我認為交通部應該更積極除了盤點哪些法規應該要調整之外那我認為該調整要調整啦 |
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不是只有盤點而已啊不然我們的行人交通安全設施條例都已經三讀通過了那呢內政部呢針對下面的執法官也要跟個人來修訂了那所以我們交通部也要同步跟上啊 |
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跟委員報告現在有關那個道路交通標誌標記號誌設置規則目前我們已經有修正部分的條文正在做行政程序要跟地方政府溝通因為我們各縣市的這個道路系統他的差異跟樣態很多元所以我們在過程中有徵詢地方政府的相關意見 |
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是所以我們要盡力做那7月1號我希望不只是盤點而是該調整的要跟著調整好這第一點第二個我呢來自台中我一點開我們交通部的官網我們就跳出一個視窗這個也是我們要求交通部做是提醒但是也很傷痛為什麼因為呢我們113年1月的道路交通事故的統計裡面 |
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我們台中市是各縣市裡面的第一名而這種第一名是非常不好的第一名十三人數我們325我們可以看到說我們從去年一直在重視行人安全到現在結果所有的宣導、工程、法規都在進行但是我們的交通事故還是持續在攀升部長你認為為什麼我覺得很擔心 |
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市長,各縣市表現不太一樣,像高雄市表現非常好,去年下降五十幾個,那台中去年是表現比較差,但是整體在去年是死亡下降,但是件數還是增加,但是我剛才報告就下半年,去年下半年是有一個比較顯著的一個成果。 |
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但是各縣市不一樣部分我們現在都是用我們的福島福島專業小組下這個就是我現在跟你講的來以台中為例 |
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我上次有問過紅綠燈的路口六都之中台中最多那保護行人專用的十項號誌的比例卻最低這個是你們交通部的一個表格那上次我問的時候交通部的官員回答我啊不是所有的這個路口都一定要這個行人專用十項這個我承認不是所有的路口都要但是 |
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但是我們保護行人的專用的10項號誌現在與法有據欸我們道路交通標誌標線號誌的設置規則裡面他的第三目他有講啊行人特多的時候必須使用行人專用的10項的交他入口是可以設置的喔是要設置的喔我們現在剛三讀通過了行人交通安全設施條例裡面在第七條裡面也有講到 |
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醫療院所、學校機關、大眾運輸場帳等行人密集場所周邊是我們的必須要做的友善行人區、行人友善區那就應該做保護行人的專用實相號誌啊那下一頁我就要盤點了我叫助理自己去盤點我們目前看到的數據上臺中市只有130個入口有用這樣子的行人專用實相的設置 |
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我盤點我們光是台中市啊有醫院的啦有學校的啦在火車站周邊的啦在捷運車站周邊的或是商圈的總共就有534處我給你猜做5百好了啦有500個可能的重大路口行人特別多的路口需要設置行人專用實相的這樣的號誌可是我們台中市目前只有130個 |
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那所以呢我要爭取中央來支持。為什麼?市長,你支持嗎?我跟委員報告,我們現在4年400億可以補助喔。所以我就覺得他們,我個人非常支持這個新聞專務實相。就是剛才所提到的這些,所以我覺得如果不夠的話,我們現在包括我們的部分包括這個國土署的部分都可以,我們都可以補助。 |
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是。接下來我就要跟你講這件事你已經先講了喔。經費的運用要解決實際的問題要彈性我上次去內政委員會問過內政部林佑昌部長他告訴我我們這一次400億的這個編列的預算裡面呢內政部跟交通部都是主管機關那交通部的部分呢我認為要 |
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滾動式檢討。如果地方政府真的有需要,我們中央要全力支持。因為內政部長林佑昌是跟我答應說,沒錯,我們內政部是滾動式檢討、彈性運用,只要地方政府願意提計劃,我們都願意支持。所以部長也是同樣的態度嗎?支持,非常支持。 |
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所以我就要拜託行人的安全很重要那接下來就要討論了我們這一次的修法出來要保障行人的安全那還有什麼我們這個違規祭典的新制這個我相信你也知道這個是我從交通部爬書出來的我們違規祭典的這個倍數成長職業類別的五倍數的成長非職業類別的六倍數的成長 |
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在安全的前提之下這些數字我想就是我們道路管理上的新挑戰嗎?部長那你怎麼認為?我想這樣齁在去年的確我們也是在立法院大家覺得新人第一要改啊當然 |
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交通部當時的評估、大家的建議我們覺得也可以做。它的確也發生很多,因為我們的環境還沒有整頓完,包括路邊停車還沒整頓完的很多亂象,還包括檢舉達人比較腐爛的檢舉。所以我們這一次是比較系統性的,去年是臨時性的,現在已經系統性的。 |
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就用我們從處罰條例92條下售的這些相關規定就用一千兩百元系統性的從我們剛剛我剛剛第一頁開始講的啊道安的這個基本法向下很多的相關的法令我們都要去盤點要去調整啊所以我們的安全的設施設備所以為什麼我們這個行人的道路安全設施設備法已經先通過了吧這個就是要先有法而且要授權民定中央跟地方政府該做什麼事 |
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那這些事情一理設備安全設備要先做好先規範好目前是這樣子吧所以我最後捐贈我時間到了我還是希望交通部我們行人用路人安全很重要那人車道我覺得這個相關的法規都要務實跟完善我不希望造成社會更大的對立好不好希望我們繼續再溝通讓這個法能夠修得更完善讓大家更安全謝謝 |
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何欣淳委員發言完畢。現在請盧明哲委員發言。好,謝謝主席。有請王部長。請王部長。 |
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部長其實從去年6月30號我們在道交條例修法不管是祭典有很多一個相關的法規修正之後當然到去年的年底你也覺得在營業駕駛的部分產生了一些很多的交通硬體的環境本來應該有停車的空間事實上盤點地方政府他們可能跟不上 |
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那現在我們在針對這10個一千兩百塊罰款以下的來去做一個定義就是不要記點然後對不對不開放檢舉不開放檢舉不記點主要是這個部分那事實上我相信每位民意代表包括你們應該在過去這個將近大半年的期間 |
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報告。 |
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那第二階段我們在行人入權的單位他們有一些想法但我覺得在公聽會我們也發覺大家在立場上面是激烈的一個辯論爭論都沒關係但是其實有一個最大的共識不管是哪一個團體都希望台灣的交通環境更好我覺得這是一個最大的共識所以這一次那個修法的過程中啊 |
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我們希望能夠凝聚最大的共識來去做一個修正但我先請問一下按一下好不好 |
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這個因為520其實也快到了那現在已經公佈了接下來我們現在行政院秘書長李孟元秘書長要接任未來交通部長那我們現在是審這個其實雙方爭議還蠻大的這樣的一個條文那這個部分我們也看到這個未來的部長特別說他也希望打造人本跟安全交通環境而且最重要是說他也要找你來請議 |
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我們現在大概他說了6天之後目前你們有沒有稍微談過有有一直在討論包括這次的修法因為他的秘書長都全程參與所以在這一個今天這十個十大類別事實上也經過我們行政院秘書長 |
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所以這個是無縫接軌。觀念無縫接軌喔。包括整個行政院都知道這樣的修法。包括秘書長。他也全部支持嘛。所以才會經過行政院的一個確定法。但是經過了我們立法院包括公聽會很多委員那個建議很多一個聲音啊。我覺得圍條這個部分你們在交接的部分一定要講清楚。我個人 |
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個人也是覺得我們營業的價值真的要讓他們可以生存啦但是一刀切的這個方式啊我真的看到了一些問題啊我贊成剛剛這個崑德昭偉啊他講的這個有一件事情的嚴重度他雖然放在同樣一個法條裡面可明明嚴重度就不一樣我就覺得說在隧道裡停車 |
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我覺得一般隧道相對昏暗第二個一般的隧道因為公法的部分所以他車道其實又真的比較狹窄所以你在隧道裡停車跟在外面的圓環其他地方停車你要把它放在一起這個也也不用記點也不用這個甚至也不能檢舉我覺得像這個我認為比較嚴重我自己我認為比較嚴重第二個呢有一個是 |
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停在人行道上面停在人行道上面也變成這個不開放檢舉然後基本上我覺得也不忌廉但這個東西就道理有一點點講不通你知道嗎我們一堆駕駛在移動的過程中在看到人群來的時候要過人行道抱歉行人穿越道的時候搬馬線的時候 |
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就等在那裡很小心很小心要距離幾公尺他才可以過我們對行政院傳證導師這麼敬畏的一個角度你只要稍微離他近一點嚴重開罰而且還近好就聽說還近兩點 |
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結果乾脆我們現在修個法規說沒事你就把你的車停在人行道上面這個哪個事情比較嚴重哪個我離別人近一點哇那嚴重可是我乾脆把車停在行人車行道上面 |
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不能檢舉也不用記點這個我發覺你們回去思考一下好不好我覺得這個邏輯上面有問題啦所以一刀切的部分我希望在中間有一些嚴重程度跟合理程度有問題的我覺得要把它拿掉大家雙方也可以接受嘛我覺得現在很多營業駕駛說你們不能害他你知道嗎所以說這個安全帽不戴 |
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| transcript.whisperx[246].text |
韓國瑜記者 |
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我們交通部甚至未來的交通部在交接的過程中我覺得這真的要講清楚了部長你覺得呢因為真的有一些嚴重程度明顯不一樣你的說法怎麼樣我是覺得我想要尊重這個委員的討論但是我們這次120米是主要有法源 |
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一個是道交條例九十二條一個是道路交通管理統一除了才華基準的所謂違罪不法就是施以勸導免疫計劃。這個意思是說當你比如說違規停車警察來的時候他可以把你趕走他不開單 |
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提到的包括待安全帽要不要開民眾檢舉或是其他項目現在有一個就是說我們跟警方大概討論了如果民眾民眾打110 |
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7516.57 |
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7517.49 |
| transcript.whisperx[250].text |
報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[251].start |
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7561.076 |
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目前的一個狀況就是你目前大概要處理就十大類別不開放檢舉那事實上這個數據問題後續有沒有一些配套的一個措施那就我們的112年的統計數據譬如說其中前面幾個你們現在所有的陳案的量體大概有80%到90%都是檢舉的案件那我在想 |
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沒有檢舉之後我們警力喔這個剛剛有人問到底是負擔輕還是負擔重每個人打110嘛不過我是覺得對於有一些重點的區塊你們是準備配套用科技執法來去替代有一重點的一個位置還是怎麼樣警政署你們有什麼想法 |
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提起對警察來講民眾檢舉負擔最重的是在違規臨停跟違規停車這部分案件是非常多但是對實際上這一個停車秩序的改善並沒有幫助因為我們現在停車空間的供需目前還沒有到完整的時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
提醒一下 |
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如果確定修法以現在這個情況我認為在第一線遠景街道110不管相關的電話我覺得一定會有一陣子會增加很多你們要自己心理準備最後公務總局我建議一下謝謝警政處這個我們現在很多地方事實上是沒有人行道 |
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這個也是駕駛人跟行人的共識啊。駕駛人也希望有人行道欸。他們這個沒有衝突。現在我發覺啊,行人的一個危機,最大的危機是全台灣的很多馬路,就我在桃園看到了。有超多的,連人行道都沒有啦。 |
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稍後試行的也全都沒有所以上次我跟部長有講過啦我說經費真的要盤點讓各縣市有一些部分但是要審到的部分快速道路當然不用講純粹車型的但是主要的一些我們比較老牌的審到台縣、台三縣這是台灣串接老城市的一個最重要的一個審到 |
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你經過不斷經過了一個市區市區市區我是希望很多是地方政府的事情但是有時候我們在公路總區你要盤點台一線台三線這經過城鎮人家繁榮市區的這個部分我自己 |
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7726.845 |
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我覺得交通部也要做一個盤點到底哪裡有沒有人行道到底哪裡我們自己省道台一、台三線經過城市的時候可以做標線型這個部分可以做到嗎?這個有在做現在400億裡面那個交通部是140億然後國土署260億他說都是居安內的那140億的部分很多都做我們省道的部分第2個委員所提的在過去省道很多地方都沒有人行道但是省道 |
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行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請審查行政院函請 |
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8484.702 |
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8490.777 |
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好繼續開會我們現在要先處理臨時提案本日既有一案請議事人員宣讀 |
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8495.13 |
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8519.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[262].text |
臨時提案一海線雙軌化行政院已於今年一月合定然而海線雙軌全限高加化對於逢河區域交通平衡鐵道兩側經濟發展有重大注意交通部應有為有守對於地方建設之需要應加速協助於五月二十號遣送行政院合定右台鐵遂已於今年民營化 |
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8520.309 |
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8540.874 |
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為交通部人有權部此股未來營運及產權都歸屬中央委員提案要求交通部競速將海線雙軌化提升為海線雙軌全線高架化且比照台中鐵路高架捷運化計劃由中央權額補助興建提案人委員黃建豪等宣了完畢好請問交通部有沒有意見請說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[264].end |
8578.14 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
交通部有沒有意見請說明來用麥克風麥克風有沒有開本案建議建議提案文字倒數第三行要求兩個字改為建請競訴改為評估那這樣子的修正剛剛有跟委員辦公室做過溝通跟說明 |
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8580.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].end |
8581.921 |
| transcript.whisperx[265].text |
提案委員對上述提案補簽列入記錄並刊登公報。 |
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8608.001 |
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8610.542 |
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現在繼續請黃建豪委員發言。好,謝謝趙偉。我們先請部長。請部長。 |
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8634.087 |
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8634.167 |
| transcript.whisperx[267].text |
歡迎光臨 |
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8674.141 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
這兩天我們三度通過了這個行人交通安全設施條例那時候我在內政委員會的時候也有去質詢那時候聯席的時候我有質詢我請問一下說這個行人安全交通安全設施條例因為是關係到行人安全的問題這個東西的主管機關到底是誰就目前的結果來講主管機關分為交通部跟內政部那我想先詢問一下到底交通部跟內政部在行人安全上面這件事你們怎麼分工 |
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8675.161 |
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8689.466 |
| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
目前這個是內政部但是因為這主要原因是說現在的行人設施大部分在都市計劃區內所以這是國土署所管的所以當時在院裡面是把這個條例由內政部來提出來 |
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8691.086 |
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8703.451 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我們就是包括像相關的道安還有一些相關的這些改善的一部分就負責我們這個公務系統的部分比如說如來公務系統要做人行的話我們就由我們當這個主管單位 |
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8735.144 |
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比如台一縣要做人行道或是台三縣要做這些人行道這個就由我們來處理所以都市計劃區內歸內政部都市計劃區外歸你們就是這個條例主管機關是在內政部好那如果是條例主管機關在內政部的話那這個條例在後續在執行這個道交條例的時候因為道交條例我那時候在那個質詢的時候也有提到道交條例提到道路關於道路的定義裡面人行道也是道路的一種是是 |
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所以道交條例也有規範到人行道?有有。人行道包含了我們政府做的人行道,包含退縮地,包含7樓,包含標線型。這個有它的定義,對。對啊,那我說這個像今天因為我們今天重點要談到的是說行人安全的問題,包含這間道交條例的修正是為了可能一部分是為了解決行人地域的問題。那這件事情如果主管機關沒有明確的出來的話我想 |
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8761.073 |
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8772.242 |
| transcript.whisperx[273].text |
後續的討論我們就很難進行下去所以我今天才想一開始先問說我們這個行人交通安全設施條例它已經三讀了嘛那這個三讀的法案到底跟交通部之間的關聯性是什麼 |
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應該這樣在設施條例裡面規定比如說障礙物的移除我要罰款這個就是在這個內政部該提年度計劃做人行道這個部分都是在這個設施條例裡面但是有關於處罰或是有一些部分的工程是在我們這邊比如說這個佔用人行道的處罰600塊這些部分就是在我們的處罰條例裡面 |
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好所以部長那其實這個還是蠻我就覺得聽起來是蠻蠻有爭議性的蠻有蠻有沒辦法很定義很明確啊因爲這個我覺得這個對於地方上在執行的時候都會有個疑義就到底是要找往上找要找誰好沒關係那我們下次再繼續討論哦接下來我要請請問一下跟跟部長分享這個遞送服務業我想這一次我們會有這個道交條例的修正最主要的倒也不是說被罰錢的問題現在最主要問題我想會從去年提出這個 |
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記點然後現在又提出來想要改變這問題最嚴重的問題就在於說是記點那民眾被罰錢又被記點那這件事情衝擊到了某些行業他的生存的問題比如說我先提到地送服務業的總收入109年的時候就597億這是你們提出的報告111年他的總收入達到995億所以我們從光從數字上來看就可以知道說所謂地送服務業 |
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報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告報告 |
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會幫司機來負擔但是計點是算在這個司機的身上那我想才會有這個問題那之前我想這個業者他們也提過一個希望能夠解決這個問題因為你就是要營業嘛所以他需要地方停車所以在去年的時候去年也有去提說要來增設這個貨車的停車格貨車裝卸區的停車格那部長你知道這個會議開完之後全台灣增加了幾個貨車停車格嗎 |
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這個部分跟委員報告一下去年有要求就是說各地方政府跟當地的這個公共會大家要去做討論然後盤點這個需求那主要目前盤點出來大概是在這個六都啦那六都就是說公共會所建議的部分大概有這個400多處目前這個就是說各地方政府大概完成這個200多個 |
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另外有一個部分的話大概地方政府他們自己去盤出來就是要劃紅黃線的部分大概有900這個多數那目前大概完成700這個多數這個是比較多的部分那前面那個部分就是說公共會建議的部分的話我們現在是就是說會每兩個月找一個地方政府來做跟這些陸續團體還有這些駕駛人團體大家共同來做盤點然後每三個月會公佈相關的一個情況 |
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所以全國增加你的數字200個停車增加200個或者停車格這個部分是就大概主要是集中在這個六都啊那他們找當地的這些計程車或者是貨運工會去盤點出來那其他16個縣市的部分的話大概就地方政府的一個這個反應是說當地的公共會是沒有提出什麼樣的一個需求那就由他們地方政府自己來做一個盤點 |
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因為今天這個問題是這樣,如果今天都會區裡面尤其像這種都市區有很多裝卸貨的需求的地方,如果他的這個貨運停車問題沒有解決,那我們再怎麼修法,他還是會存在這個樣態嘛。今天除了貨車之外我想包含計程車也是有類似的問題。如果他沒有地方停車,他就只能紅線停車或只能黃線停車。 |
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他當然就很容易被檢舉那被檢舉那當然就會記點記點了他當然就會覺得他的生計受到影響所以才有這個問題那如果今天我想問一下部長你覺得全台灣增加以你們現在的數字增加200個貨車停車格能夠解決我們現在在都會區 |
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卸貨的問題嗎?是,因為這個跟公共會討論啊。我們去年的給他的這個時程就是在6月底啊。6月底都要完成。所以他們提出了400多個還有包括黃線的鋪我們現在就是列管到6月、6月全部都要完成。那當然就是說這是跟他們討論的結果在每個路段要哪裡要設。那如果後面當然如果有需求比如說設完以後400多個設完以後有需求那當然還可以再討論。 |
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韓國瑜 |
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我們看下一頁在貨車停車格部分其實我們想要提出一個比較開創性的建議其實歐洲或各國都有在做類似的狀況我們這個貨運業者現在當然都是大型的貨車在做運送但是歐洲很多國家他當然是小型的這個城市他城市的路幅比較小小因為他把很多道路空間拿來做人行道 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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答案答案答案 |
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那像歐洲這種用三輪腳踏車的這個方式這個還是一樣就是要看那個城市的需求但是現在很多現在的這個物流很多是大車在左主幹線來以後也會換小車在地區的這個hub裡面對然後三輪的機車也有一些我想這部分就看未來有沒有這樣的需求 |
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你們要輔導啊,你們要提供這樣的需求,你們一定要有這個需求啊。大車走主幹線當然,大車走主幹線它一樣會遇到我們剛剛上一頁提到的這個問題嘛,一樣它沒地方淋停卸貨。你的道路幅度,你的道路的這個給車走的,你會一直限售限於車輛的大小,所以你給車走的你繼續的維持這種很大的道路。 |
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那如果今天我們行政院提到的要解決行人、交通而且要解決這個行人地域的問題當然希望說巷道裡面、巷弄裡面也能夠有人行道的時候你的路幅縮小那他當然他同步的就要配套措施出來那我今天提到的這個是希望有所謂配套措施是輔導或讓業者知道有這樣子的運具的存在有這樣子的可能性在歐洲各國或美國他們他們的運輸量不會比我們低 對不對部長這個就是從運具讓他在適合的街道走 |
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我是不是我們是市長看有沒有這個這個有沒有違反什麼規這個部分我大概補充一點就是說現行國內的部分的話大概是大車到小貨車然後進到像現在有這個三輪電動機車的這個載貨那如果說要這個思考這個三輪腳踏車的部分原則上我們都可以來思考那但是這個東西必須就是有需求那地方相關的這個配套做好 |
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那因為三輪慢車的部分是屬於地方自治可以他就可以訂自治條例就可以去做處理啊這個部分我們來配合業界的需求跟地方政府來這一個呃這個合作看看在什麼地方示範會比較適當好最後一個時間到了我再拜託交通部往這個方向多多規劃提供多項的運具選擇齁來解決這個停車的問題好我們就一下謝部長謝主席謝謝黃金豪委員發言完畢現在請陳素月委員發言 |
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謝謝主席請主席邀請王部長請王部長陳偉豪部長早那今天委員會就是針對這個道交條例七之一還有六十三還有六十三之二這個修正案來進行詢答那我想針對這個部分的一個調整對交通部來說真的也是吃力不討好 |
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告知報告 |
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報告報告報告報告 |
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法令規則 |
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就是都是基於這個安全道路安全的一個考量我想這個應該就是我們最基礎的應該是要回歸到這個來思考那當然就是說目前這樣子一個調整是比較我想應該是比較不得不的一個調整那是不是也可以請部長再稍微說明一下就是說當然做了這個調整之後我們未來要怎樣再來做 |
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條例條例 |
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去年大概這時候在立法院我們當時這個婚委就是新任地域所以當時對處罰條例相關的這個課題作為比較這個大家都覺得要加入更嚴格的執法但是的確在去年的下半年實施以後 |
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就是委員所提的包括職業駕駛也包括一般民眾就是因為環境還沒有整頓完以後當開放民眾檢舉造成很大生活上的困擾所以的確我們在這一次我常常講說這個我個人要取消這十項也是天人交戰但是我在這邊就跟委員報告這是一個 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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行政院支持包括法令、立法院也支持法令錢也都給了那我們再利用這四年時間把環境整頓好包括停車的地方包括剛才談到裝卸車位等等的把它整頓好那當然 |
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到時候在這個整個這個處罰條例事實上每年都會在立法院都會可以做一些討論當然有有一定的成效環境的整頓好以後我是覺得還是可以再再討論那第二個是這是不開放民眾檢舉但是民眾還是可以打110報案 |
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就是所以也不會說就是不處理讓他變成一個大違規的這個狀況所以我想說這部分我們也跟警政署再討論一下就在未來在108案裡面要怎麼來處理這個部分也會再持續的強化 |
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對,部長剛剛講到開放110的一個報案當然這又是回到實務面的一個問題可能也會造成因為警力不足沒有辦法立即處理的一個狀況所以我想這個可能都還是會有很多實際面我們要去面對跟檢討的我想這個因為時間關係也沒有辦法在這裡做很詳細的一個討論當然就是說我們的政策跟制度我們應該還是就是要 |
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回到就是這個道路安全交通安全這樣子一個思維來思考那當然剛剛部長有講說這樣的調整當然也是一個不得不的目前的一個調整的措施那未來就是會針對這個整個道路的設施來做一個改善那在這裡我再先請教一下就是說因為這樣子一個祭典那目前當然我們就是會就是會先取消就是在 |
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一千兩百塊的這個罰款這樣子的一個行為下不開放檢舉當然就是說對於比較重大違規的部分還是有檢舉可是有檢舉祭典的部分還是會延伸出一些問題就是有關這個祭典黃牛的這個行為那這個部分因為我們當然就是說這樣的一個處罰我們當然還是就是要約束這個實際的駕駛人行為人希望他們 |
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能夠就是讓他們知道這個違規然後能夠來改正可是如果說衍生出這個祭典黃柳這部分我想這個又已經走偏了上市了我們的這個法令的一個原意所以這部分我們有去做檢討嗎 |
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對,這一次修改也是這樣,就民眾卷舉的部分不祭典了。因為他可能沒有辦法像警話到現場看到當事者是誰,然後開這個當事人的這個祭典。然後另外就是 |
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這個科技質問法的部分也一樣就是說科技法拍到一個人的比如說他是闖紅燈好了結果要找到的那一個人就是委員所提的很多這個找一個冒牌的人或是所謂的祭典黃牛出來所以在這一次裡面就是進行舉發包括民眾檢舉跟科技質問法部分也不祭典那大家要由警方現場確定是誰的時候再祭典所以這個課題大概這一次也是做一個處理 |
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有做了處理是是好謝謝那當然就是說要讓這個法令能夠更就是消明這個我們社會的一些紛爭跟對立當然就是剛剛部長提到了這整個交通環境的一個改善行人道路設施的一個改善那在這邊當然也要先再次的感謝我們就是這幾年交通部就是說在前瞻特別預算裡面有補助地方就是來 |
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信件停車場的一個設施。那之後在這個前瞻計畫之後我們交通部是不是還會有這樣子的一個規劃。那因為我們知道就是說你停車位不足然後要就是要求民眾就是在這個停車不停包括ful說不停騎樓啦或者是說一些地方就是停車的問題真的還是要回到這個停車空間的一個 |
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問題來解決。所以這個停車場的部分我們之後還有沒有新的一個政策?目前就是200加60、260億。然後想說在下一任的這個 |
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這個包括院長或是這個部長他們可能會做一個考量比如下一期有沒有再一個這個改善停車問題的下一期目前是我們還沒有研擬因為這個到114所以我們現在就是把已經在動工的什麼就趕快完成啊比如說從115以後有沒有那個那個可能在會再做一個決定那我個人是覺得的確你要整頓路邊停車真的是路外的停車場是最重要的一個部分 |
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提出這個停車空間當然除了停車場的興建之外當然就是會涉及到可能還是要跟地方政府一起去盤點就是說什麼樣的區域區塊的停車問題要怎麼解決 |
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因為我們知道就是說有一些住宅密集區他巷道可能就6米寬那附近也沒有什麼停車空間那如果說我們禁止他騎樓停車的時候他可能真的沒地方停車那我如果要開放的話這個可能又不是交通部可以進行做決定的所以我們也希望就是說透過中央地方一起來檢討努力讓我們就是有關這個停車問題也好或者是交通安全問題能夠更完善 |
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了解我是覺得就是說把路邊的停車把它路外化變成路外的停車場把路邊的這個空間在就是不要被路邊停車占用然後變成路邊臨時停車的困擾這個應該是整個是我們整頓大環境一個方向謝謝部長好謝謝現在請許智傑委員發言 |
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謝謝主席我們先請那個台鐵局請督委董事長部長你順便聽一下請問局長現在那個有很多落軌現在是董事長有很多那個 |
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落軌的案件。那我們可以看到這幾年來落軌的意外有前四年有100多件死亡有29人然後呢前一陣子又有板橋跟客工館站都有落軌的事件那我們希望說這個閘門的裝設現在台鐵有什麼計畫 |
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我們現在計劃在高雄站要示範第一處我們月台門所以這個大概什麼時候會完成我們預計這個月台門的那個示範點呢要在今年的年底來完成那除了高雄之外高雄市先示範那其他的全國的台鐵勒 |
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這個要看那個事辦點齁他閘門設置好以後他使用的情形再來研議你們閘門齁我大概有去研究一下可能你這個閘門跟捷運或跟高鐵不一樣嘛因為他們都是固定型態嘛那台鐵的不同的車種 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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好那我們的那個鐵路齁鐵路就是說我們基本上西部高鐵東部快鐵嘛好那我們的花東去年我們也去剪裁齁那現在進度怎麼樣呃委員市區 花東雙軌喔 花東雙軌鐵道局齁嗯 |
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報告委員因為去年我們在招標上面比較不順利那後來在去年年底花東雙軌相關的主體工程標都絕標了那我們最近可以展開實質的動工所以我們本來是預計116年完工嘛對不對現在會不會來得及 |
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現在會分階段那會分4段那因為中間我們也將過去地方訴求的花蓮道吉安的七處危險平交道提報修正計劃改為高架路段現在這已經抱怨在做審核當中 |
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就是整體完工的時間整體完工的時間會分四段那第四段會叫原來的部分會有所延誤會延誤所以116年10月原則上沒有辦法如期通車那只有在台東那一段會如期通車那其他三段會稍有延誤延誤大概會多久 |
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呃、高價的那一段我現在數字可能沒有完全記載我會後再跟委員報告 |
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我們西高鐵、東快鐵還有另外一個目的,就是東部的觀光,也就是說你今天我們本來的預計是6個小時可以環島一周嘛。那6個小時環島一周,如果說這個花東雙軌競速完成之後,我們再配套的觀光的設施,其實我一直在推動就是類似比如說 |
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東天日本那邊冷可以到我們台灣的東部甚至南台灣這邊地方來做一個長照觀光的概念這個部分觀光署有沒有做什麼樣的規劃?華東本來就是我們這個非常重要的觀光旅遊目的地 |
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我們是希望能夠善用台九線跟台十一線那麼我們在這個部分也是希望能夠推動那個自行車的旅遊或者雙鐵的旅遊或鐵道旅遊那我們現在有兩個重要計畫就是希望能夠把南部跟這個就是從嘉義北回歸線到花蓮的北回歸線變成一個南環的這個設計我們叫做微笑南台灣的這種設計 |
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來結合相關的這個鐵道旅遊的這個沒關係這個整體的整體的旅遊我想觀光局會觀光署會設計全台灣嘛對我們是分幾個區塊用區域旅遊的方式針對東部的長照觀光觀光署是不是有概念長照的部分它涉及到那個我們衛福部一些能量 |
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那原則上我們是希望跟民宿有些比較長時間的,有幾個那個我們叫做...其實我的概念就是希望署長,署長可以跟衛福部他們也聯繫一下吧。也就是說這個東西其實就是要如何去吸引,我想台灣到日本的很多,日本到台灣的也不少啦,但是現在比較少還可以有增加的空間啦。 |
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是那我們如果增加這樣子的概念的話也許可以吸收像有些我們台灣人有時候到日韓那兩天兩月就去了就回啦那當然就是東部這邊我是一直想說東部這邊你可以過來一個月 |
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可以過來長久一點,那用這個概念來吸引更多的日韓的觀光客,尤其是可能有一些長輩,年輕人玩年輕的,長輩玩長輩的,那這個部分是不是我們跟衛生、衛福部討論一下有沒有這個機會。好,我們有在跟那邊接洽,那確實是需要更多的誘因。對,所以現在因為署長聽署長的講法跟衛福部都還沒討論嘛。 |
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那是不是可以先去討論一下看有沒有這個機會。好,是。好,謝謝。我們請那個民航局。 |
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議長好,那個我們現在就是特色IP我講過很多次了嘛,那我希望說我們民防局可以跟我們的機場再多一點那個11住行預熱的一個規劃,各個機場。我昨天正好 |
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那個前天晚上要從金門回來回不來回不來正好昨天中午就在金門機場那邊吃中餐吃飯的時候正好可以看飛機的起降可以看跑道可以看遠方 |
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其實這個感覺是蠻不錯的那也就是說機場其實11住行預熱能夠多一點點這些規劃是不是尤其是我們高雄機場我們高雄機場其實如果吃的地方可以看到飛機降落跟跑道那種感覺也很好 |
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報告。 |
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那個塞機的事啊,就是在桃園機場前這個大塞機,那delay了很多的班次。那聽說他們現在北跑道要再修復嘛,那會不會再塞機啊?我想這個部分桃機公司這邊已經針對這個跑道的維修例行的維護的部分已經有建立一套機制。 |
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那基本上在這個相關在這個計畫啟動前、維修啟動前他們會有相關的對航班﹖您想非常簡單的跟局長先要求一下那個部長這部分也希望能夠幫忙我知道了全國的航空站在修跑道幾乎都用晚上的時間 |
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我們桃園機場最特別的就是三個白天所以三個白天航班又沒有調整只看到時候的整個流量的控制其實那個都不足所以我是這樣子強烈建議請部長跟局長一起要求就是說我不願意再看到再重複一次發生那怎麼調整桃園機跟民航局你們有把握不再發生你們用什麼方式我不介意 |
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好,謝謝。 |
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謝謝許智傑委員發言完畢。現在請牛許廷委員發言。謝謝主席。部長有請。請部長。 |
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部長早安,今天討論道交條例七條一、六十三跟六十三條之二的修正草案的答詢,這個我先問,部長你會希望520之前就把這個法案處理完畢嗎?開放討論,但你會希望他趕快處理嗎? |
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我當然我們送上來就是希望這個會期處理完那當然就是討論的就是尊重所有委員的討論的結果好啦這當然啦這前面也幾次針對這個題目不管是公聽會也好我們也講過嘛就是說這個政策的平衡不要變成反復啦 |
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本來一下子可以檢舉,一下子變不能檢舉,跨度太大的時候就會變成政策的反反覆覆。你在中間基於社會上的部分的需要做微調做平衡,這個大家都願意理解。可是反覆的時候政策不確定性其實會造成更大的社會紛擾,這核心序名。今天大家去討論這個道交條例的修正當然就是因為這個祭典的制度。 |
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那我本席理解基於我們的法規很落後基礎建設不夠人本某些層面你也可以算是歷史工業吧所以說在過去就用祭典制度上路的時候其實給職業價值很大的壓力那我們總要繼續產業發展給人家一條活路這樣的概念本席是願意了解的不過你去年11月的時候其實你就已經用這個行政規範的方式去開放說這個路邊臨停上下課就特殊的狀態的時候其實是不予祭典 |
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那你的六十三條跟六十三條二的修正案大概我覺得可以平衡掉這一次最大的爭點可是問題是你如果連七條一的部分也全部納入的話那我覺得他就會進入一個政策反覆的一個狀況我理解說檢舉可能是一個很大爭議的題目但是我覺得你即便要檢討所謂的檢舉機制也是要針對特定人士大量檢舉的這一件事情 |
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然後來針對機制上來做檢討跟設定而不是說把一般公民啊因為基於執法量能不足然後自力救濟的管道全部封殺掉部長你現在經過這一連串的公聽會然後大家各方表達意見之後你的看法是什麼 |
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我跟你們報告就是說在去年的局部修法那時候因為沒辦法去來改這個處罰條例所以有做一些這個臨時處理的對但這一次是系統性的啦那系統性的確我們在內部討論的時候在想說用怎麼樣 |
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來確定所謂的不開放民眾卷集跟祭典的部分也經過很多討論最後在處罰條例九十二條跟我們的裁判基準的第十二條裡面就有規定就是說當警察碰到某些狀況比如說這個違規停車在在入口但是他去的時候可以用驅趕的不是就開動對嘛所以你有一些行政方式其實也可以相對來講 |
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對,所以這一次我們處理就是92條跟這個12條的這精神1200塊的精神來做的調整當然啦齁這個過去是越嚴重滑越重過去是這樣但是如果在1200元以下這是我們列出的這十項 |
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如果大家委員這個大家討論齁那個比如說現在談到呃占用身上車位的部分我個人也覺得這個部分是可以可以繼續開靠民眾檢舉是對啊我跟你講某一些層面你也可以講我就接接下來我順著這題目往下講喔你當然可以講說這個民眾檢舉是很奇怪的由民眾檢舉來行使公權力好像有一些爭議可是這個的存在的這個實務上存在的理由當然就是因為公權力執法的沒有辦法做正常執法 |
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然後才會讓人民大眾覺得好像我要透過檢舉機制來捍衛行人的權利這樣子其實是階段性你可以接受可是終究以來我們要面對有辦法有效執法的這件事情所以本期要求啊這我們的執法人力啊你如果都丟給警察本期內政委員會了對基層警察弟兄其實不公平也就是說你如果七條一全部拿掉變成說為罪不舉的情況之下實務上來講這些所謂想要自力救濟的人就會通通用報案的方式來處理啊我不能不為我警察弟兄講講話 |
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即便上面的長官認為沒有人力問題我告訴你基層的警力那也是悶在心裡我是覺得這不是一個很健康的方式我們希望的是也透過有效的也許是用科技執法對不對也許是透過交通助理員的這樣一些設置去補足執法的人力把正常執法的環境建立起來的時候我們再來講說我們把這檢舉制度拿掉去避免社會紛擾這個才是一個有效而且合理的這個步驟 |
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我了解。我跟你們報告在去年是46項增加到59項現在我們又減到10項又被回到49項了那這個部分也是有衡量比如說警力我並不是把59項全部拿掉我跟你講我現在問的是比如說讓這個社會有正常執法功能的你的進度是什麼你的安排是什麼 |
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當然交通助理員是各縣市是可以批准的。對,你就不能丟給各縣市。我今天要講的就是你不能丟給地方政府處理嘛。地方政府財政壓力跟中央相比量級其實差非常多。緣額也有一定的限制嘛。中央是不是應該設計一套機制可以給地方政府更多的資源?讓這個機制更健康。我們的機制就是說這個除了警察以外交通助理員就是比較法定公權力的就是這兩個。 |
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現在六都也有很多已經有涉事務上在地方是欠缺相關的資源所以我希望這個如果你要做這樣的調整的時候相對上你中央要有一定的配套交通助理員的機制化中央的支持我認為是很重要的這我希望交通部也許部長可能基於生涯規劃離開但整個部裡面的這個事務官的同仁要先做研理最後30秒相關的配套措施最後30秒因為今天聽說部長差點遲到 |
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通過我們現在這樣就是說目前比較擠也是國道客運比如說桃園過來對要趕快處理嘛這個部分我們支持而且我們在這個短期是T-pass可以補掉嘛對中產體我們用補貼部分補貼的方式對所以讓它票價不會太高這個會積極處理時間時間什麼時候這個已經送上來了 |
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這客運業者都都因為我們要規劃路線的檢討調整我們會需要結構問題要先解決審議會的審查程序已經完成了那最後現在就等部裡面部長這邊還沒有到我這邊啊我趕快還沒有到你桌上我希望啊這件事情在520前可以完成啦 |
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好,部長繼續上下規劃可能沒有辦法續任交通部長的時候我希望留下最後的身影是對大眾運輸的支持啦而不是針對這個違規然後大家爭議很大的法案啦法案可以充分的討論大家可以花一點時間討論但是大眾運輸可以立即喔對行人對於交通環境友善的我希望留下的是這樣的身影好不好所以部長這個東西拜託你加速啦好不好五月二時間我們要處理完好嗎好謝謝部長好謝謝現在請邱若驊委員發言 |
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謝謝主席有請部長請部長請問好部長好這週二立法院三讀通過了行人交通安全設施條例那無非就是希望能夠建置安全還有友善行人的用路環境那其中有妨礙行人通行的固定設施必須限期改善像是騎樓啊人行道與地面屏必須要拉平嘛 |
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那今年開始中央有推動四年四百億的永續提升行人安全計劃包括改善行人道、行人還有高齡友善的示範區還有路口、行人、安全設施等改善項目那在道路上最弱勢的就是生長者幼童然後還有高齡長者推娃娃車還有使用輪椅的家庭 |
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那其實這邊要提到電動輪椅的使用者在人行道品質上下不便還有街道高低不平沒有很好的上下車條件環境路口也不夠安全那權益跟安全權益跟安全都被忽視了請問部長要如何盡快改善對他們不友善的用路交通環境是根據我們 |
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市長我們在去年就是整個這個行人的安全是當作行政院跟交通部最重要的政策所以您可以看到永續提升行人安全計畫這個就是給對方補助款像今年提出來都是百分之百補助 |
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案件事項。 |
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包括四七道路包括我們省道所有人行設施透過這個條例的要求還有我們經費的補助把它做起來這是我們現在最重要的一個目標那其中當然包括這個包括輪椅組還包括這個高齡者這事實上都在我們新任的交通設施裡面當作一個很重要的項目在執行是那請教部長那這一年的交通安全和行人路線的改善具體情況如何 |
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對,這個今天我們有做一個報告。在去年我們從下半年做一個很積極的作為。這個整個行人大概死亡下降了10.78%。那有關那個道路安全的經費補助各縣市政府的目前的情況。現在有779處全額補助的。 |
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幾乎這他提上我們幾乎都幾乎都簽了補助了那現在有779處已經提上來了779處因為交通部上個月公布全台一千處對新人不友善的799799那上個月公布全台一千處對新人不友善的危險路段馬桃園佔了135處那一道路的管理權則劃分有43處是交通部公路局管的那請問部長預計完成改善的時程 |
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這個是今年799是今年要完成的799是今年要完成的OK好那這邊另外再請教部長總統賴清德昨天也有表示4年400億的預算接下來結合礦黨派還有民間團體的力量可以在2030年的時候降低50%的目標那部長您怎麼看 |
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現在的確包括現在的蔡總統還有賴未來的賴總統對於行人安全都非常的重視所以他們也一直把事實上去年在談這個永續提升人權安全計畫還有包括美國的設施條例等等相關行人的部分總統和副總統他們都有參加他們都會了解這個狀況所以這是一個延續性的所以我們現在應該從去年到現在我們是把制度 |
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還有包括條例還有包括經費都把它做好了這是一個好的一個開始啦我真的覺得這個未來賴總統提的目標我真的很期待他能夠完成也希望說下一棒大家一起加油這樣子 |
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OK,那剛剛牛委員有提到就是關於客運的部分,那這邊本席要問的是就解決客運缺額的問題,要如何協助業者攬財、育財、留財的方案,那目前時機還是鬧時機荒,所以這些方案實際上的成效是如何? |
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我們第一個就是我們有這個包括訓練司機這個部分我們一個人大概有16萬這樣訓練完然後到各個課業服務第二個這一次他們提出這一個票價調整我們支持 |
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報告告告告告告 |
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應該有這個相關的資料有相關的資料好那這邊本期要謝謝王部長過去對桃園重大交通建設的支持那本期在就任立委還不到3個月積極地一直向部長還有行政院長就是爭取捷運綠線延伸至大溪還有國三巴德交流道還有桃園的捷運那這個山陰線延伸至巴德還有國道二號 |
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的中路交通道等交通建設那也期盼就是部長這邊在交接可以繼續未來也可以繼續支持我們桃園的交通建設謝謝也真的很謝謝邱委員在雖然很短的時間也表現你對於這個 |
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臺灣的重視,所以這些我們都討論過了。下一棒,事實上我覺得下一棒會更強。而且他也很願意做事,所以我想說我也要放心,他應該會繼續做下去。謝謝王部長。謝謝。現在請謝一鳳委員發言。 |
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謝謝主席。我想要請王部長王部長早 |
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我突然想到你有些事情忘了跟那個未來的理部長交接喔你上次答應我在預算協商的時候你答應我要對高鐵、彰化高鐵跟台中高鐵就是列車門是不是有護欄有沒有就是這個部分好像還沒有裝欸是不是 |
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你上次在預算協商有答應我,你這有沒有交接下去?有告知台灣高鐵公司,現在狀況 |
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他上次是說列車在在就是說你們列車要月台門嘛那你列車要更換嗎那前陣子也有在就是列月台的時候發生乘客要搶上車那跟高鐵就是的那個警衛有發生衝撞 |
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為來這些事情代表了不管在台中或者是在彰化高鐵都需要再加強那我們是不是可以請觀光署的周署長我剛剛看到他有來 |
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尤其是最近有在討論好像彰化高鐵的營運不彰可是我認為目前大家對於彰化高鐵的使用率是很高的那是不是能夠請觀光署報告一下對於我們彰化的周邊的觀光規劃 |
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新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
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委員報告大概高鐵的彰化站的聯外的交通的方便性這個應該要提高啦那因為高鐵本身他有一些聯外的這個巴士那麼我們希望是把田中變成一個hub所以他有一個叫田中支線那個在規劃中 |
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那未來的話就是他的景點的聯繫因為現在大部分都透過台中高鐵的台中站往南走所以要帶動這個部分一方面要台鐵的系統二方面要高鐵的系統的連結線那麼把把這個填中當hub的時候他就可以把這個帶動 |
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張化地區以及甚至極極縣到南投這個部分才能夠串接起來那相關的這個時速郵購型的部分我們是把它當作中區的旅遊把它做一些景點的串接那確實張化高鐵的張化站這個部分目前現階段只有幾個比較重要的好行或者客運的連結那這個部分我們也是在暑假有特別希望他們能夠增加一些班次 |
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好那我要麻煩我們王部長你過去答應我的事情要要對我現在想起來就是說當時因為他要先採購12列的新列車所以他們是認為那個列車的這個門的位置要怎麼樣我我我這個交易下去 |
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對,是不是?我們還是應該要做,因為你跟李部長應該也是可以溝通的嘛,是不是?那填正支線現在都在進行中啦,這是應該是整個彰化站裡面最重要的一個建設,因為它聯話交通不方便。怎麼樣跟這個鐵路還有包括了吉利支線做一些串聯,這個是它的重點。好,那我剛才看到你有講,就是10項那個違罪,就是輕微的違規,不開放檢舉,那祭典部分呢? |
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對就不開檢舉也不祭典我們現在目前那祭典的部分現在都都全部都沒有了嗎沒有沒有就是違罪不祭典還是全部都不祭典就是違罪不接受檢舉也不祭典大概這樣哦就是違罪 |
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對對對對兩個都不要了是不是對比如說這十項處理完了以後就不接受民眾選舉那未來縱然是警察開單也不記點大概這樣所以也不記點對對對那再來我還是非常我上次在這裡的時候我們提到了也希望你能夠交代下去就是交接下去 |
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對於我們道路安全基本法裡面我們在深港的那個路口你說要請運燃所然後來把每一個路口不同的太陽就是說就是標線還有相關的標誌的部分你要做一個統合的處理要把那個太陽給各縣市政府去做相關的規劃這個部分 |
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是不是你有你有交代這個有在進行有有有在進行嗎有有有在進行嗎 |
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報告一下上次有跟委員報告我們大概會優先在也是部長特別指示我們在計畫這個3個月內我們會先出版第一個階段的一個指引出來光各個地方政府來做這個參考應用 |
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所以你們三個現在離上次我們質詢幾個月因為我們那個計劃有一個報告然後招標的一個程序那我們現在大概基本上就是在計劃執行上面的時程設計就是應該在520之前你就要出來了吧是不是我們朝這個目標是不是不能等到2020之後吧是不是我們盡量朝這個目標來努力已經成果有第一段成果出來了趕快發布給地方政府來參考這樣 |
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好好謝謝謝謝現在請鄭天才委員發言鄭天才委員鄭天才委員不在現在請林月晴委員發言有請我們的部長請部長 |
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您好部長好還是期望將不再修法的時候不要再走回頭路因為高風險違規的行為祭典我認為還是要持續進行來下一頁因為當初違規祭典本來就是期待導正我們駕駛人的行為 |
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那我想部長也非常的清楚不是只是為了罰而是希望導正透過他除了被罰款以外還有有祭典的話可以去修正他的行為下一頁那所以針對進行舉發祭典我認為交通部反反覆覆因為從6月30號針對於這個所謂的處罰條例裡邊修正公佈報案13項 |
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民眾檢舉跟通盤檢討的違規祭典制度然後可是這這樣的時間點我認為一個是缺乏溝通然後反而造成是人民在生存跟生命之間反而是產生一個對立那當時講的說持像3月7號提的是說要把進行舉發跟民眾檢舉舉發不予祭典 |
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理由是因為擔心冒名頂替跟違規祭典黃牛跟案件量太大可是公路總局在11月也開發了這樣的機合的一個程式來防堵我們的交通部擔心的理由你花了錢要去解決這問題然後現在又說欸這個不要做如果當初擔心修法理由是說擔心這件事情那你也開發了一些 |
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來防堵的那樣子的一個程式那為什麼又還是覺得這些不要做那我認為這樣子的話不僅浪費工堂也限我們的公民團體在生命生存當中產生這樣的一個爭論下一那國內舉發大概整個違規進行舉發大概佔七成加上民眾檢舉的大概超過八成那下一頁那可是高風險違規行為每一年約百萬件 |
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而且呈現穩定上升趨勢嚴重超速闖紅燈這個本來就是對我本席來看就是他 |
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對於我們的生命傷害事實上是大的來下一頁所以重大違規重複率本來就高就他本來傷害就大結果重複率又高二到三年這些違規再犯的人數事實上是比預期的超過的還要高下一頁所以重大違規累犯者像兩年內闖紅的四次以上者 |
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他發生交通事故的風險是一次的兩到三倍這個都是道安會的數據資料那就說你們充分有掌握數據資料的時候反而沒有依據反而還要把它拿掉下一頁所以國內違規風險的這個分級表當中這也是你們的資料也就是說告造成致死的模式的發生事故的樣態最為超速無照酒駕嗎 |
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超速還有違規停車跟闖紅燈那前面我剛剛提過所謂闖紅燈說嚴重超速這都是我們很擔憂的一些議題如果修法通過這類高風險行為應該是就不會再透過那個禁止的祭典可是難以嚇阻這樣子的危險駕駛人下一頁所以我這邊主張重大違規項目像闖紅燈跟嚴重超速應該維持 |
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我們的禁止的祭典的規定。然後當然更重要的是還有就是你的臨時停車的區域提出一些具體的其中他充施交通人助理員那是不是針對於某一些剛剛那講實相可不可以針對特定地點跟時段還是不要完全排除祭典還有對低風險的行為項目在交通改善前也應該有明確的配套措施 |
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我是覺得這次的確我們在討論中這個包括剛才談到這個祭典祭典這是我是支持的只是說他的確因為科技植物是民眾捲舉沒辦法真正找到那個駕駛者所以有產生一些亂象我想委員這部分我想在在條例審查我們來討論尤其事實上是闖紅燈跟嚴重超速我認為真的要否則的話還是讓生命 |
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消失我覺得這不可取啦。這個可以討論。我覺得可以討論。好,謝謝。好,謝謝。您也請委員發言完畢。現在請林國成委員發言。好,謝謝主席。請部長跟林市長。請部長還有市長。 |
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林福山市長林委員好好那前幾天啊那個市長前幾天又看到行人第一桃園的婦女啊在斑馬縣那個撞被撞市長有沒有了解這個事在斑馬縣我嗎?部長還是市長?市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市長市 |
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其實我們說實在的基本上本席對於現在我們交通部不管是道交條例的修改我們說實在是左右為難的那你修改為了駕駛人他的生計 |
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但是在整個用路人的當中他會有所恐懼也就是不管你違罪不及的不祭典或者祭典那祭典架死人會覺得他生活面臨的困境那你祭典對他們有所不公可是用路人他相反的 |
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你把他取消他認為他的用路人面臨的危險所以這是左右為難基本上對於我們主管機關交通部切切實實你們現在的處境本席還是多數的立委也認為你們面臨是左右為難但是話再說回來 |
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我們為什麼不回來一下我們想一想為什麼我們在消化為什麼這麼充足為什麼 |
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所以這個是值得我們探討一個華下去你有沒有完全的規劃那一個華要做處分你有沒有去想到他的後果所以因而今天我們在修這個華會左右為難 |
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各說各有理公說公有理婆說婆有理那事實上來講我們主管機關是應該要面臨一個問題就是長治久安的交通罰則所以我們會面臨這些我還是建議部長因為我一向對你是比較理性的部長 |
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所以不管不管未來任何人接部長我認為在修法真的要長期規劃評估再來做修法的執行不要東今天 |
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今天修法明天改法那回來又來修法這其實對老百姓無從事事這一點我要代替不管是司機朋友不管是用路人我們說實在他們會產生變成修法雖然修法但是只有 |
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這些爭議稍微停止而已但是雙方都得不到一個非常公平公正的這些一個法規的遵循所以我還是建議部長啊針對本期提出這些你們有沒有檢討一下為什麼會這樣來柏定 |
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跟委員報告剛才第一張照片談到這個人行道不停讓行人這個我們是絕對不會放鬆民眾可以檢舉也是這個包括記點三點、罰六千塊、到完講席這個完全沒有討論的疑惑 |
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那的確說在去年這時候在立法院的修法裡面我都支持很嚴格的執法我當時覺得行人第一就是要趕快消除所以我也非常支持所以當時的提案我們有很多都接受但是有很多沒有接受但是的確在去年實施以後不管駕駛團體事實上民間也反映了很多委員辦公室都反映到 |
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稍後的這個造成他們生活上的很多不便然後另外就是檢舉達人是變成非常的腐爛所以所以的確剛才委員談到我的心聲就是這個平安點非常難抓我發覺我在抓哪一個地方都另外都不滿意我在那邊騙了都不滿意啊 |
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所以我才想說這一次我們把它很清楚把它寫出來我們雖然在處罰條例裡面還有差額細則裡面一千兩百元當作一個違罪我們用這個東西來談那當然每一個項目這個我也期待說這一次在立法院各委員有一個我們大家 |
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即時廣義彈出一個比較好的平衡點那的確抓一千兩百元這件事我是在我要找到一個法源所以我現在就用這樣的方式我是覺得項目的確是可以討論好那其實部長跟師長啊我一直在跟林師長啊特別提醒問題是修法沒有那麼頻繁你要修了以後是要讓人家一段時間去適應、遵守 |
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宣導可是我們宣導確實是做得不夠喔我們交通部想到什麼就改什麼想到接受什麼陳情你們就馬上改法條這改來改去啊說實在除了新的法規 |
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要去推行那推行你要我們做任何事情你們交通部本來就是這樣啊要初級的評估規劃等等這些但是你們在修法是沒有這個步驟所以我要建議林司長在這個部分真的要修一個法可以修不是不能修而是他的後果是什麼要做好一個修法評估以後再來做 |
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所以現在就這樣啊這些法條當中就是行人跟駕駛人產生對立啊所以他們講的也有理由行人也有理由所以變成今天會很矛盾所以這個部分我還是要建議我們部裡面特別特別修什麼法要做評估以後再來做最後一個我們說實在的 |
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道路設計到現在我幾例台北市你說好林亭也好紅線一大堆百分之九十九但是你也沒有去做規劃那如果假設你這個要為罪不及一千二以後的林亭現在為什麼會被吊銷是林亭而起 |
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那大家產生臭結就是喔闖紅燈這些闖紅燈酒駕這當然一定要祭典當然一定要處分啊但是違罪不舉的林庭部分我跟你講本來像台北市像六都現在就是設計不良嘛那這些有沒有可能就是林市長這裡你要從長規劃地方政府你是不是有一個頭上的讓人家有一個林庭的地方 |
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這等等東西就包括要修法要做任何政策的推行的時候你如果去做到這一點我認為修法就不會爭議這麼大欸搞到現在立法委員這樣也不對那樣也不對所以我們會很為難那為難為什麼就是你們的規劃跟你們的說明跟你們的輔導是講不清楚嘛所以我還是認為我建議啦這個 |
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這個駕駛人跟用路人這裡的教育要多加一教育讓大家多了解這樣的話以後修法就不會有疑慮好不好好謝謝林國成委員謝謝謝謝林國成委員發言完畢現在請侯孟楷委員發言 |
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主席謝謝麻煩請交通部王部長請王部長部長部長好直接跟你請教因為近期內本身也接獲到蠻多這個團體陳情其實有關於營業車跟貨運車這些貨運車輛他們有講到是說好像在疫情這個恢復之後可能是相關的這個保險的部分就他們就取消很多的這個保險業者就是給他們聚寶 |
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尤其是說針對是說他們想要多投保一些相關的一個險甚至除了應該保的險以外的這一些這個什麼賠償的這些險啊部分就保險公司的巨保即便是他們想要提高相關的保費也沒有辦法 |
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我講部長有沒有掌握到這樣的一個訊息對因為那個這主要是在保險公司跟這些職業駕駛他們認為他風險很高所以不接受他的一些但是如果說風險很高他開在路上然後因為風險高可能造成相關的交通事故那才發覺說他沒有足夠的保險能夠來去做理賠或去支應的話那會不會對於用路人的風險更高 |
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會 這個我們有在處理但是他的確保險是在保險公司跟個人他們這個當然我們是期待是有充足的保險對受害人比較有保障就是應該我們期待的是大家用路上路都能夠有保一定程度的保險那如果真的發生交通事故的話也可以有最基本的理賠或是保障 |
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這不管是對開車者不管是對用路者其實都是一個幫助跟保障嘛那您剛也提到了就是說因為他們風險高那就是因為他們風險高所以更應該要保險而不是說讓他們四處趴趴走但是沒有保險那他們也很無奈啊他們講說他們想保險但是找不到公司給他們保 |
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我跟委員來說一下我們去年大概有幫這個婚業者跟這個所謂參選公會這邊開個平台那這個基本上他還是要回歸到這個保險的一個機制就是說高保費的部分他們因為有些這個價錢是沒有辦法負擔 |
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那目前我們大概已經有把這樣的一個需求轉給金管會金管會那邊也同意說如果有碰到個案的部分那可以透過我們這個溝通平台他們會來協助但本期看起來他不是個案他是通案因為是公會這邊直接很多的公會直接來找投注無門可能你這個平台他也真的沒有辦法解決問題才會又再來找委員這邊來懲解 |
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這樣好不好部長我今天點出這個問題本身也知道是說這跟金管會也有相關業務我們可能會再由正式的這個陳秦涵然後也再交集我們不管是公路局、路政司以及金管會這邊來開協調會我們來找出一個可行的方案回歸到正題今天的這個違罪不罰的部分真的 |
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對於用路人來講很重要你自己也提到了交通部長任內你最這個遺憾的是沒有辦法降低這樣子一個道安的一個狀況但是很多的營業者也會覺得是說他好像如果說罰太多其實不是罰太多重點是祭典的制度有可能會剝奪他的工作權那一直有推我想先講是說一直有講是說因為這樣的一個上路檢舉而造成檢舉達人氾濫部長有沒有數據檢舉達人到底有多氾濫 |
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這不要笑啊我覺得這很重要譬如說我們所謂的檢舉當然開放檢舉就代表說一般人都可以檢舉那有違規事實就檢舉那有沒有說前幾的比例譬如說八十二十法則嘛百分之八十的檢舉量都是來自百分之二十的檢舉人那有可能這樣就檢舉達人啊還是說前十名的檢舉人他一天檢舉了一百件兩百件我就覺得說他可能就變成是職業檢舉人 |
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因為沒有那麼巧說我開在路上一直盯到違規嘛有沒有這樣的一個數字這個部分我們並沒有就是說單獨去做統計的但是就是說我們那一邊接就警政署這邊接到的就是很多他檢舉他 |
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覺得我沒有舉發的這邊不滿的大部分大概有大概二三十個這樣的民眾時常在寫部長信箱也到交通部也到內政部那這個部分如果說要詳細的數量的話我們要再跟各縣市警察局做一個統計 |
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拉回來您是這個警政署交通組組長嗎是不是好組長如果說你這樣講話本席就沒有辦法接受因為你們一直推說我這個檢舉的制度上路之後檢舉達人泛濫那我們想要知道說到底多泛濫你應該要讓我們知道說多泛濫啊 |
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你應該講是說我前10名的檢舉量每天檢舉300件檢舉500件那我們合理懷疑判斷他就是檢舉達人或是檢舉魔人職業檢舉人所以要秉除這樣的狀況但你跟我講沒有沒有這個數據啊但是很泛濫啊那 |
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我們就用這樣的理由去講說好我們半年前修的法然後我們現在再把它給修然後違罪不罰那又讓用路人覺得說好不容易有一點數光了好不容易真的我們希望還給用路人乾淨的一個道路空間又突然間又一千二那這樣子不就是變成是說你根本沒有一個明確的理由讓我們今天來做一個討論嗎 |
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報告委員不是嗎?還是你覺得說真的是檢舉達人氾濫還是真的是台灣違規太嚴重? |
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我覺得這兩者不同喔!檢舉達人泛濫是一個人檢舉一天兩百件三百件這個叫泛濫但如果說你說每天收到很多的檢舉量那叫台灣違規太嚴重喔!很多人看到違規我就因為可以檢舉我就來檢舉那你不能講說因為你檢舉量很多所以你就說啊這樣子泛濫我覺得這完全是不同的 |
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我們把那個違規檢舉的以一百一十二年八百六十九萬件裡面有百分之六十是針對停車跟違規停車那這一些的部分有很多都是某一些民眾就車子一開過去之後阿就一個盡頭來啦組長你沒有這個整理或說你根本沒有這個你不能用形容詞我覺得咱就事論事很多民眾是多少叫很多 |
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好,那個組長整理好資料,向侯孟楷委員來做報告。真的啦,你們等一下,是不是主席你們等一下要逐條審查?呃,我不會這樣做。你今天沒有逐條審查?我沒有說今天就要逐條審查。你今天沒有要逐條?我們都是以最嚴謹的態度在4月3號舉辦公聽會,然後今天進行詢答,然後經過討論之後還會再找時間來做逐條。好,我肯定主席這樣的一個態度啦。 |
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那最後不好意思也三十秒五月一號說重機族群他們要上街還要包圍交通部說五月一號交通起義要爭取兩輪的權益部長有沒有看到這樣的訊息有我知道他們要來那過去就是機車我還是一樣啦就是說包括他們要取消兩段式的走轉重機上國道我想這個課題在我們過去也談到就是說如果 |
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這能說服上是安全的對道路安全的我們當然會接受但是在過去談到直接兩段式左轉取消並不是代表更安全那上國道更是有非常多人反對比如說這個重機的行為跟一般小汽車行為部長本期時間已經到了我只是提醒就5月1號既然又有這個遊行跟這個抗議那訴求一定要了解並且 |
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我也希望說至少你要有比較高層級的主管官員能夠來接受那並且好好的研議好不好我覺得這一個部分既然有看到各族群的權益都應該要兼顧以上謝謝謝謝侯孟楷委員現在請洪森漢委員發言 |
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在紅委員發言之前我們先說明一下我們道教條例修法我們都是以最嚴謹的態度當然特別條例也應該要這麼嚴謹雖然是小道像道教條例但是它關係到民眾的 |
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生命的安全、交通的安全所以我們都是先召開公聽會然後在今天正式的一個詢答然後經過討論之後讓交通部去做相關法令的這樣的一個調整的思考然後再找時間來做主條的一個討論我們不會說一天之內就要很快就要把它討論完畢然後也沒有讓大家吃飯然後就要主條的這樣的一個通過 |
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我們都是以最嚴謹的態度不好意思請黃生漢委員發言請王部長請部長 |
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部長最近關於道交條例又再次的修法當然引起很多各界的討論其實這些討論也都還餘波蕩漾那我今天還是想針對這部分來跟部長來討論幾個事情就是說其實我們如果回顧去年到現在從一開始就是從台灣的這個所謂行人的安全的狀況得到受到國際媒體的關注之後 |
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其實我覺得我們很多討論都一直圍繞著怎麼祭典怎麼檢舉怎麼提高罰則其實大概都很多尤其在立法院的討論裡面很多都聚焦在這些末端管制的角度來去處理問題坦白說我認為這也是我們現在遇到這個左右為難的問題之所在 |
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我講部長一定很清楚知道如果我們從交通安全管理的角度來說的話大家一直在講到所謂交通的三一工程教育執法裡面我們剛才在講末端管制就是最後的這個一直都是這個執法端該怎麼執法的這個問題 |
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但一直以來對於工程端跟教育端的討論比較少但工程端其實我認為行政部門是有處理的包括去年這個在我們這個行政綱領裡面這個4年400億的經費包括前幾天剛三讀通過的這個行政安全設施條例裡面就是要去處理工程的問題但一直比較少處理的其實是所謂這個教育的問題 |
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那部長我知道我們其實從駕駛者管理的角度來說現在大概靠幾個環節在處理第一個大概是駕照的核發然後後面大概有所謂吊扣吊銷來做管理但我這邊想問部長針對很多這些高風險的駕駛者 |
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我想大家其實確實應該把我們的焦點放在所謂高風險的駕駛者其實一開始的時候我想那時候覺得說我們去年在修法覺得要擴大祭典其實有一個核心的想法是覺得說我們要怎麼淘汰或怎麼面對這些這個不良的駕駛其實有這個念頭所以我想問的問題是如果針對這些高風險的駕駛者也就是被吊扣或吊銷駕照的駕駛者 |
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交通部現在有什麼管理或教育訓練的機制目前主要當然一般的這個有另外一個就是道安獎席啊是道安獎席就是說有些項目你回國以後就去參加比如說不聽他們講的部長你有參加過道安獎席嗎年輕的時候部長我也參加過年輕的時候你覺得道安獎席參加完道安獎席參加完跟參加後你有沒有從這個道安獎席裡面獲得更多的收穫 |
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年輕的時候是感覺去非常沒有面子讓我更遵守法規倒不是從教育面是不想去大安講習不想去大安所以這變成是一種羞辱機制喔對對是你覺得是大安講習重點是重點是讓駕駛者覺得抱歉我在講我年輕我講我年輕的時候你講你年輕的時候現在不是那你現在是一個制度設計者現在要有教育的科目對對是這個 |
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這個不然我就先跟你問喔其實我知道去年交通部有公告有預告這個交通安全規則的修法針對高風險價值喔包括吊銷、吊扣一年以上、吊扣一年以下有做了一些區分喔那去年你完成預告那目前進度會怎樣 |
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所以我們用吊扣駕照一年以上跟以下來區分嘛對不對然後呢 |
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那這次再加入檢討就是說他要以一個六年的週期比如說吊銷駕駛執照重新考領只能領一年有效那這是每年每年那這個部分去年預告現在接下來進度會怎麼樣那我們現在正在重新調整這個道安規則的一個那有沒有期程那現在頭等完之後我們會重新再做預告會重新再做預告那什麼時候會預告在這個4月底之前我們會來辦理預告那個 |
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市長齁我要跟你們說其實這全部是一個完整的大家針對為什麼針對祭典的事情有這麼多的爭論當時就是覺得這些高風險的價值或者違規的價值或者是不良的價值你要怎麼樣去面對它其實用祭典的做法所以我覺得今天假設我們覺得祭典的做法不是最好的做法祭典做法有其瑕疵那我們要跟人家講清楚那我覺得替代性的做法是什麼 |
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那今天包括針對高風險駕駛的這個教育的問題包括是剛剛講說駕照換照的這個問題該講清楚的我覺得我們應該講清楚包括後面的期程告訴大家我不是今天我不用祭典以後我對高風險的駕駛我就雙手一攤重點是我針對這些高風險駕駛我要用什麼做法包括這做法還有沒有精進的空間我覺得這都應該一併的拿出來討論這是我要說的所以對於剛剛說的這些駕照或者是核發這些相關的修法 |
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假如要重新預告就讓大家知道我什麼時候預告我的內容是什麼東西還有沒有哪些調整跟經濟的空間都應該在這次修法的時候講清楚這是第一點我要講的第二點我要回到剛剛部長講道安講習我說實話我也參加過道安講習啦我參加過 |
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但基本上道安講習的內容就是叫你什麼不要酒駕不要違規大家都講這些事情我覺得部長你可以下去你可以發個問卷問大家一下經過道安講習以後參與過道安講習的人有沒有得到什麼新的收穫我跟大家講道安講習裡面連最近我們哪些法規有新修都無法從上面得知啊 |
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所以為什麽現在弄到很多人抱怨是很多人都是在法規修了以後你都是被處罰了以後你才知道有什麽法規修正不然你覺得這OK嗎?是,我想道遠講行應該是針對比如說你各種違規的太陽 |
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作為一個再教育,我想這部分事實上我也跟公務局談過在這個相關的教材要不斷的更新,新的法規要不斷... 不然我覺得我們就應該明確的要求今天尤其針對高風險的價值,它就應該擔負起更多的更大的回訊的責任包括它可能要被教育的這個內容都應該更多尤其是 |
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我們為什麼我都一直搞不清楚為什麼我們沒有一個機制甚至在這些講習裡面都不見你要把道路的法規的變更告訴我們的價值甚至是被被處罰的人為什麼到現在為止都沒有好 |
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我到現在為止去年包括我去年修了什麼法 |
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所以大家要多注意什麼事情都沒有在道安講習裡面能夠呈現像這種教育內容的調整好不好一個月一個月提出新的道安講習的內容調整的報告可以嗎一個月部長可以嗎謝謝現在請楊瓊英委員發言 |
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謝謝主席。本席想邀請部長。請部長。委託不計點要上路。那麼當然也有人憂心行人安全會倒退路嗎?但是我們知道就正如剛剛部長所說的取消二段式的左轉。 |
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結果我們在盤查結果是反而更危險所以道交的條例裡頭呢要怎麼樣去好好調整就是當我們制定了之後還是要非常嚴謹那所以就誠如剛剛主席才所說的那不管是公聽會啦大家好好地去研討因為是名稱每一天都會用到的所以本期要跟你討論的就是說 |
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認為記憶點的方式呢不應該是以金額的大小去做決定而是應該是以它的安全性跟它的危險點來做決定你覺得這樣子的論點你可以同意嗎對我想我們這次是主要從處罰條例九十二條跟裁判細則的第十二條裡面的一千兩百元就是警察如果在這種狀況可以欠倒趨利不處罰 |
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用這樣來用所以就是有學者來挑戰了喔有學者來挑戰就是說不是因為金額的問題比如說像我們在學校大賣場的周邊這樣子那應該是要以他的安全性跟危險點 |
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是不是有討論的空間?我覺得這樣,我們現在找到的法源就是過去警察看他違規但是不開罰單叫他趕快走這一種來用一千兩百元但是對於項目我想我尊重大家可以做一些討論 |
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就是所以呢應該是違規的頻率跟它的嚴重度跟可控制的原因來作為分析那這個應該要納入一起去討論所以我們看到以調扣的駕照數量來看2023年5萬470件2022年是6萬9620件 |
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去年下降到1.9萬件那表示是有在增進但是這個增進也讓民眾有很多像這個有很多固定的檢舉達人也讓民眾苦不堪言 |
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所以在這種情況之下我們在討論的時候本期就希望不是只依照金額來制定而是應該以他的安全度跟危險度來作為定律來加入討論的空間那也謝謝部長剛剛你也同意將他加入大家好好來討論因為我們希望 |
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行人安全為本來改善交通的這個事故的目標這個是我們的目標好那接下來本席要也特別再次強調在學區以及這個商業的林庭的這個部分要怎麼樣去調整 |
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因為一方面要便利二方面又要安全這個要好好地來做檢討那第二個本席要跟你討論的是這個你們要推動的停讓文化2.0對不對停讓文化2.0我們看到交通部的數字行人死亡去年380人那麼當然較前年前一年的少了14人這個我們是暫許要越來越少 |
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但是我們看到下半年度呢,我們看到包括了3486處的入口,我們樓下的行人安全設施以及將近168公里的人行道的這個改善 |
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那這個跟我們要要求推的停讓文化2.0呢這個非常重要所以因此大型車落實在路口停讓的制度必須務必一定要好好的來加強對不對 |
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這個我們不只大型車啦。所有的車子包括機車、汽車到這個人行道都要停讓行人。這是我們現在的政策。而且現在也有綜合、六千元、這個三點還有這個包括這個大文獎席啦。 |
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所以我們這個部分就是那另外就是你談到工程工程面我們必須討論比如說過去還談到行川縣要退收這個課題這個比較容易造成這個他沒有看到新人這個部分也持續在進行 |
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這個非常重要所以本席也特別把你的這個公里數把你3000多個這個入口處這個我們都要積極去落實因為你必須要把它規劃好它才有辦法讓你加成上去的這個停讓文化2.0才能夠保障人民的安全請說我們現在四年四百億歡迎地方政府提案我們會補助 |
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議長,你講到這一點我就本期覺得很奇怪。有錢人家不提。你這個問題出在哪裡?你不要好好去檢討好不好?我本來沒要跟你講這麼多,你自己拿出來。對不對?你把那個申請的SOP流程是不是可以怎麼樣哪裡去精簡好不好?你把它順便資料給本席,因為主席站出來。那我在一分鐘主席。好。那這個兩岸觀光開放 |
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不排除提早是不是啊預計要接你的這個李孟燕先生說兩岸觀光將依對等開放原則循序推動兩岸團體旅遊如果路方有善意的回應不排除提早進行適當調整你是不是樂觀其成 |
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我們現在就是在等一個善意的回應你是不是樂觀其成對啊我就等了善意的回應是不是樂觀其成那當時誰決定要終止呢對不對現在換一個部長喔他的說法是如此喔所以等於你喔是你的時間來做宣布喔原本3月份呢要恢復嘛那你現在又只允許到5月31號可以出團是不是啊 |
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我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我我 |
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好謝謝謝謝楊瓊瑩委員現在請羅明財委員發言羅明財委員羅明財委員不在現在請鄭正前委員發言鄭正前委員鄭正前委員不在現在請邱志偉委員發言邱志偉委員邱志偉委員不在現在請徐欣盈委員發言 |
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徐新穎委員徐新穎委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員發言陳冠廷委員陳冠廷委員不在現在請張家俊委員發言張家俊委員張家俊委員不在現在請吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員吳思瑤委員不在現在請黃國昌委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席。請麻煩有請部長。請王部長。那個主席對不起我稍微暫停一下。 |
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喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂喂 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
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那在您今天所提出的書面報告當中就是說您點到說這次的修法是希望以工程改善手段先替代監理執法手段工程的改善其實你也知道路權團體大家都支持讓我們整個道路的設計上可以容納更多不同的需求這個大方向上大家都同意 |
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但現在產生最大的爭執是什麼?產生最大的爭執是說你的工程改善手段先做代替先立執法吧?你覺得你的工程改善手段要多久? |
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我希望是那時候是全國都該做人行到該什麼都要做 |
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4年嘛對但是不是說到4年才有完整的結果階段性一直一直改善這樣子那所以你認為什麼時候這個先替代監理執行手段的替代可以完成 |
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要看事實上也不見得等到4年啦對就比如說你如果會比4年還短嗎因為如果地方政府很積極我們現在是補助欸就給像今年今年是完好啦全部補助欸沒有關係啊如果做得好當然部長你要卸任以前提出了一個很重要的目標我相信下一屆的交通部部長聽到您今天講的4年之內喔4年之內 |
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這件事情要做完當然這次行政院的修法理由提說相關的職業工會反映嚴重影響職業駕駛人的工作權也造成警察機關執法量能龐大的負擔 |
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我們就就事論事來看當道路交通設計上面您現在歸咎於這個產生了一些相通途的狀態的時候那我一向的立場是我們要就事論事可能不是一個全有全無的 |
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也不是說你們這是提出來的那行為入權團體大家都要照單全收我們還是要就事論事一點一點的來看嘛這樣的立場部長你贊不贊成我贊成你贊成嗎就是說這一次的確我們要找這個平衡點我們從這個用一千兩百元那這有十項我現在關心的倒不是錢的事情 |
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因為錢的事情你反映出來的是說他在行政罰環上面的可罰性、可捨難性有多高嗎?但我現在思考的觀點是說當你用錢當標準的時候會不會有盲點?所謂有盲點是說我們現在是希望在我們道路交通設計各方面就是講不完善可能講得比較客氣啦在這個之前 |
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兩邊的利害關係我們怎麼去balance?那行政入選團體因為你去年夏天你也上過凱道嘛你也做過承諾嘛所以對於他們來講交通部現在的態度讓他們有一點難以接受所以我才說是不是有可能不要全有全無具體的來看嘛第一個事情是說他們說是卸貨停車格不足這個是他們反映出來的心聲嘛 |
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但你卸貨停車有不足用身心專用停車位這樣好嗎?這樣對我們的身心障礙的朋友這樣真的好嗎?這個利害關係的balance部長您覺得呢?事實上這十項裡面這一項我是覺得是可以繼續開放民眾檢舉我覺得身上專用停車位這個部分是比較嚴肅因為他們停車位已經很少了我是覺得 |
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這十項裡面這一項我是支持支持部長我喜歡你這樣的態度就是論事嘛也不要因為行政院有題版本出來就要硬幹到底第一項你已經點頭了那我們再看第二項 |
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那人行道的部分您覺得呢?你看齁這個相片啦齁是一個滿關心路人團體齁也是我自己滿好的朋友但我提出來質詢不是因為他是我的好朋友啦是為了所有的行人齁chip他貼的啊你車車你車車到這樣你是要叫人安這個太離譜了吧 |
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這個就是你剛才談到的這個環境沒有整頓好的 對對對對齁他停在紅線上是一回事喔他是整台車插在人行道上欸 啊這樣還不能檢查是安裝可以檢查所以我猜我們有時候用抽象的文字不容易描述具體的狀況嘛 |
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14344.577 |
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我們不要就看一張照片勝過千言萬語這個就是打110啦打110警察馬上來處理而且這個齁在地方的這個停管單位他有偷掉車也可以直接偷掉那個今天警政署有來嗎有來那個警政署有沒有統計過依照我們現在警察同仁的負擔齁那這種的狀況我卡電話過大概幾分鐘可以趕到 |
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這個部分我沒辦法把握因為要看看就是說10當時接受接受到多少案件部長你有沒有聽到警政署講的所以只要就是說我了解部長你有沒有聽到警政署講的我想這一部分繼續溝通啦我想說這個在現在這個是因為這個停產沒有關係主席站起來我現在只關心第三個太陽 |
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| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
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謂這種大型的剎車、拖拉庫、倒車的時候常常釀成悲劇嘛。這我們常看到嘛。那你說大型車倒車釀成悲劇,這樣誇張的狀況你叫警察來拖拉庫照就照啊啦。 |
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部長你同不同意?我想這個部分這個的確我們這次1200就是這個從市長好跟委員你如果每一項去討論的確好像看起來每一項都開放但是的確在整個這個沒有沒有沒有部長你不要把我具體問題都抽無象化的你答詢的技巧非常厲害試圖把具體問題都抽象化可以討論 |
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這個為什麼會很關心因為齁真的有很多人是因為這樣上命輪下人命最重要第二個這種太陽會靠電話叫警察來喔車早就不曉得去哪裡了啦部長這一點你覺得要不要有沒有值得需要再考慮的地方可以討論可以討論嘛主席站起來了謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
14459.019 |
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好謝謝王國昌委員發言完畢現在請陳雪生委員陳雪生委員陳雪生委員不在現在請游浩委員發言 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
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報告。 |
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14509.55 |
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有緣好謝謝部長好那延續了剛才許多委員提到包括這一次的交通安全其實不管是修法的部分那還有許多不管是行人用路權那其實包括上次的研討會那相信都已經經過了許多的探討那本期想要在這裡先就教一下部長 |
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但那時候在地震的時候我知道交通部也是在全面的在協助救災啦那時候您也特別來出席了公聽會那公聽會到現在也差不多有兩個禮拜那時候的公聽會許多的團體包括委員其實都有表達很多的一些建議跟看法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
不管是駕駛人的團體或是用路人的團體那本人想要請教一下針對那次的公聽會所做的那麼多的一個重點或是結論交通部對於公聽會的這些建言建議有沒有提出什麼樣的具體回應 |
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就是那一天討論完以後大概有幾項我個人是覺得是可以討論的其中第一個就是身心障礙停車位的占用我個人是支持這個還是納到可以檢舉的項目因為身心障礙者他找這個停車位有時候不是那麼容易然後另外也有談到這個未帶安全帽可不可以開放檢舉這件事 |
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那因為未帶安全帽事實上是一個很危險的發生車禍很危險的這部分我覺得可以討論我想說在這一次在這十項裡面我們用一二零零是主要是找到道交條例跟才華細則有的這個基礎下的產物但是的確各個委員所談到單項裡面我看今天委員都有談到單項裡面我覺得可以討論如果它本身是 |
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是大家覺得是這個危險的我是覺得可以討論所以在上次的公聽會完了之後主要這兩點是認為應該要加入納入的因為最主要是公聽會當天沒有辦法去做詢答嘛所以說許多的建議來講希望能夠具體的能夠被交通部聽到而且能夠被納入那所以部長也針對這兩點的話有做一個具體的回應因為 |
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這些工程會大家積極地準備,尤其這些團體還遠道而來,所以這些重點的一些建議啊,所以我是希望能夠去具體時間也不能夠闖過所無痕啊,那所以部長是有做具體回應。是,我想我想那個今天詢答完可能未來就是委員的提案啊,我想也歡迎委員覺得哪一些單項,一些建議就可以提案。這個剛剛是有在做整理。對,就在提案,是。 |
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14654.471 |
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14668.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
對那再來的話我想接著請教一下警政署在過去一年加強執法在降低行人入口死傷及死亡方面成效如何那因為今天警政署有來那在去年5月到今年3月共開出了12.3萬多張的紅單 |
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14670.874 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14696.719 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
那路口不禮讓行人那這樣子的開的這個單數是非常的多但是想問一下那這樣子在去年跟今年對這個績效如何你覺得對改善這個死傷的這個數據這樣請警政署回答一下有執法之後還有其他的宣導在有關於行人死亡的這個部分在 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14699.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
新聞新聞新聞新聞新聞 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14717.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14732.997 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
那個新人少了14人啦。死亡少14人。14人。好沒關係因為我們是拿那個區間比較但是不管是區間怎麼樣去做比較14人也好、一人也好但是這個績效跟成效我相信還要持續加強所以說還不夠還不夠嘛 |
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14762.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
所以還不是很滿意嗎?那就繼續改善那同樣的這也牽扯出不管是剛才其他委員有提到的宣導的部分不管剛才楊瓊英委員還有包括黃國昌委員有提到那其實在許多的宣導上面是還是不夠的那不管是到案講習這不是說部長去到案講習而是說大家在許多的民眾不管是被罰的去到案之外在許多的學校或是民眾 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14764.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14768.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
交通部主管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及第六十三條之二條文修正草案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14790.246 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14816.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
第一個現在我們跟教育部有一個教材他是叫五階段教材一萬年級一套三、四然後五、六然後國中、高中總共五套那現在這個教育已經納到有很多的版本看康軒他們也在納入教材裡面這是在裡面的然後第二個是在老人的部分老人部分我們現在有大概一千六百人的路老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
14817.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14818.184 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
報告報告報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
14837.413 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14853.335 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
我本期還是建議一下就是說在這個宣導的部分其實確實還是不夠那因為如果說像是我跟團隊全面在跑地方的各種活動其實在交通安全的這個場次那在這個宣導的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
14853.976 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14872.903 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
第一就是場次不夠次數不夠面相不夠管還對於受眾的部分包括這些民眾他們其實能夠的普遍的在接受這個講習跟跟這個宣導的其實需要再做持續加強甚至在不管是電視或是網路上其實需要持續加強因為 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14874.304 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14893.784 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
韓國昌委員提到那個畫面嘛就是大貨車這個輪廈的部分所以我們其實在地方上有時候在這個沙石車專用道還是常常會發現沙石車在開民眾也還是騎著機車就旁邊要超越這個沙石車啊那所以說這個部分都還是在於宣導的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14894.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14920.828 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
那最後的話本席還是想要針對這個駕駛人的這個工作權有關於他們有在提到有包括在卸貨或是計程車那他們在停靠的部分本席直接建議因為時間有限因為如果在做於交通不管是行人或是包括許多駕駛人的部分去做法規的檢討的時候其實像現在的不斷的修正的法規應該交通部如何規劃 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
14921.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14949.746 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
各縣市政府能夠配合在許多重要人常常出入的商街街道能夠重新再去規劃劃設他們的這個停車格不管是說因為一般來講都是民眾反映民意代表到最後來去做會刊、縣刊可是如何做整體的一個針對不管是計程車或者是包括我們許多的卸貨區來能夠做一個通盤檢討而且由教育部的那個交通部這邊主動 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
14950.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14971.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
交通部主動來去主導讓縣市政府來配合這樣子也才能有效的減低不管是被檢舉違規檢舉或是平常在這樣被開罰的情況想請教一下部長有沒有方案已經說不會被完成現在已經有方案就是包括這個剛才停車這個專用停車格的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
14972.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14986.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
報告話黃縣的部分。我們的借貸性的成果是在今年6月底,就各縣市執行的成果會回報。那的確就是說這個就是這個您之前所談到的,就是說環境如果沒有弄好,變成他 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
14987.415 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
15008.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
不得不違規那這個就是我們在執法上的這個理由比較不充分這也是這次我們修法裡面就是說這些相關的環境的配套是政府應該負的責任所以我們現在有4年4百億的預算在補助地方政府包括南投都可以來申請了我們都會補助他去做這些人行停車格的設施 |
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15032.868 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
我想這部分就是同時說非常同意就是說教育你剛剛談到教育那工程現在在做然後執法可能在目前要做一些前移的調整最後一句就是6月底前的時候到時候還是請部內的同仁把各縣市的一個執行跟通販檢討改善的情況也跟交通委員會委員做報告謝謝登記質詢委員軍旅發言完畢做一下決定 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
15040.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
15063.023 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
報告及詢答完畢。委員曾俊宇所提書面質詢列入記錄並刊登公報。委員於質詢中要求提供相關書面資料或未及答覆部分,請交通部盡速與書面答覆。我們現在要進行討論事項第一案,交通部主管預算凍結案計31案的審查,請議事人員宣讀。 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
15069.083 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
15077.012 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
討論事項一審查113年度中央政府總預算關於交通部主管預算凍結案計31案以下31案交通部函一至七檢証該部決議以業務費向下委辦費預算凍結十分之一書面報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
15087.073 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
15110.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
決議二、第一目交通科技研究發展預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。決議三、第二目一般行政預算凍結五百萬元書面報告案。決議四、第三目交通運輸規劃及產業發展預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。決議五、第四目第一節國營台灣鐵路股份有限公司預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
15111.203 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
15125.963 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
決議六、第六目都市大眾捷運系統建設計畫預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。決議四十四、第三目第一節路政管理預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。八及九 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
15126.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
15150.465 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
檢証民用航空局決議一第一目一般行政預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。決議二第二目空運管理業務預算凍結一百萬元書面報告案。時至時是檢証中央氣象署決議一設備及投資預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。決議二委辦費預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。決議三氣象科技研究發展預算凍結五百萬元。 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
15152.447 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
15168.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
書面報告案決議四一般行政預算凍結一百萬元書面報告案決議五氣象預報預算凍結八十萬元書面報告案十五至十七檢証觀光署及所屬決議一觀光業務預算凍結五百萬元書面報告案決議二 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
15171.211 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
15193.59 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
國家風景區開發與管理預算凍結五百萬元書面報告案決議二十九提升臺灣旅宿網知使用成效預算凍結書面報告案十八至二十檢送運輸研究所決議一優惠向下委辦費預算凍結十分之一書面報告案決議二第一目 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
15195.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
15204.725 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
運輸科技應用研究業務預算凍結十分之一書面報告案決議三第三目運輸研究業務預算凍結十分之一書面報告案21至25檢証公路局及所屬決議一公路級監理業務管理預算凍結十分之一書面報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
15213.927 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15231.215 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
決議二、第三目公路建設及改善計劃預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。決議二十五、第一目第二節基本行政工作維持預算凍結二十分之一書面報告案。決議二十六、監理業務預算凍結五百萬元書面報告案。決議二十七、監理業務預算凍結兩百萬元書面報告案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
15235.897 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
15262.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
二十六至二十八檢証鐵道局及所屬決議一第一目一般行政預算凍結十分之一書面報告案決議二第二目鐵道業務預算凍結五十萬元書面報告案決議三第三目國家鐵道建設與管理預算凍結十分之一書面報告案二十九至三十一檢証航港局決議一第二目航港業務管理及發展預算凍結一千萬元書面報告案 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
15265.131 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
15287.053 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
決議二、第三目偏遠地區交通建設預算凍結五千萬元書面報告案。決議十六、第二目航港業務管理及發展預算凍結十分之一書面報告案。宣讀完畢。好,以上31案請問各位委員有沒有意見?好,林國成委員。 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15290.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15319.11 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
我想特別建議主席還有我們各部會你要解凍當然因為這些會被凍結當然有其原因但是我看到這裡面你們答覆的東西是太官樣文章因為會被凍結就是因為委員不太了解但是你們在說明當中我建請 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
15320.788 |
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15339.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
未來在交通體系裡面要凍結的要寫清楚一點也就是你像五月份啊你給我凍結我還要繼續凍結所以我用的錢不夠啦那這個原因是什麼這個是第一點第二點跟主席建議有沒有可能 |
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15341.029 |
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15366.511 |
| transcript.whisperx[561].text |
當初凍結的委員的名字也修出來這樣會比較了解所以至於這些我做以上這兩點建議好謝謝林國成委員的發言第一個林國成委員的建議很有道理交通部必須針對相關要解凍的這些預算必須說明清楚避免官樣的文章 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[562].end |
15381.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[562].text |
那第二有關是否將當初提案的委員我們一切按照議事規則來做處理那請問各位委員有沒有意見好沒有意見來來邱若驊委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[563].end |
15411.916 |
| transcript.whisperx[563].text |
我這邊也有提問關於第九案這邊這邊有提到協同地方政府及相關產業加強行銷擴大空運市場是只有針對台中中部的機場嗎還是桃園來民安局交通部請說明民安局或者是交通部麥克風 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].start |
15413.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].end |
15422.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[564].text |
請議事人員處理。沒關係的,就在座位上說明就好。 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].start |
15433.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].end |
15455.996 |
| transcript.whisperx[565].text |
各位有關剛剛提到的空運的部分鼓勵多元的航空站基本上我們在做各個機場的相關的業務的推廣的話是包含各個機場那當然桃機的部分是由桃機在做處理那其他的幾個機場是民航局這邊來做處理好謝謝局長說明那這邊另外第15 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[566].end |
15464.383 |
| transcript.whisperx[566].text |
交通部觀光署及所屬的觀光業務預算凍結500萬比這邊要提續凍200萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].start |
15476.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].end |
15490.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[567].text |
來請來請那個邱若驊委員要續動兩百萬請問因為我們都是在做現在我們尤其是地震之後我們真的很需要能夠振興國旅所以委員特別報告一下我們希望能夠 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].start |
15492.338 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].end |
15519.949 |
| transcript.whisperx[568].text |
有幾個部分能夠強力來行銷那麼希望能夠活動大型化也希望能夠推台灣PASS的一些優惠所以這個凍結部分是不是可以允許不要再凍結?署長您提到國旅我想業者然後包括國人都不買單像之前有提到有提到就是平日旅遊但平日那民眾都是要工作的啊所以這個沒有效益然後再加上呃 |
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15523.691 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].end |
15543.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[569].text |
國慮也沒有實際上面的改善那房價也還是很高那補助一千五百元那我想之前有提出補助一千五嗎用補助的方式去提升國慮沒有沒有那個是因為有一些要振興的部分才用用補助的方式比如說我們這樣花蓮這個部分我們現在才 |
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15544.862 |
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| transcript.whisperx[570].text |
等到整體的部分再用徵信的方式是對那這個部分當時在這個觀光業務的部分它所凍結這500萬的部分我們現在也確實有在執行不能再那花蓮的觀光目前也還在修復當中嗎對我們有山坡嘛 |
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15584.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[571].text |
第一波已經做一些我們這些融資貸款第二波的話就是因為有些這個居民的房子不能再住了所以我們做一些媒合讓他們提供旅館跟民宿第三波的話我們就是要開始提振興的方案對有自由行跟團體旅遊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[572].end |
15599.623 |
| transcript.whisperx[572].text |
什麼時候會公佈正式的方案?我們今天下午會在行政院做討論是那這個部分還是麻煩委員是那個主席OK |
| transcript.whisperx[573].start |
15601.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].end |
15624.509 |
| transcript.whisperx[573].text |
請林國成委員發言其實因為邱委員談這些啊就剛才我第一個開宗明義所談的你們這寫這些東西啊就是講快一點光明堂皇你們做什麼我們根本看不清楚但是不管任何黨派、交通委員來解凍這些那當然我剛才已經講過了 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15625.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].end |
15646.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].text |
其他的委員解凍一定有他的理由但是你們要解凍也不談理由所以難怪邱委員對這個是有質疑在整個觀光當然五百萬不算多啦啊他要凍你兩百萬說實在啦齁說實在話現在只有四月份他凍兩百萬 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].start |
15652.849 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].end |
15665.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[575].text |
稍微糟急的會議我們隨時也可以去提這個但是我坦白講卓局長你剛才這個是因為邱委員提出來如果是我提出來你也沒有辦法說服我欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].start |
15666.105 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].end |
15693.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[576].text |
你剛才講那些只有你知道委員都不知道你叫我們委員怎麼去支出像這些東西像公路像現在民航像現在氣象局這些預算我們基本上我們會讓他解凍啊為什麼地震需要這些然後民航這些需要做公路需要修所以我們立法委員不是不講理的像這類的東西 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].start |
15694.798 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].end |
15718.136 |
| transcript.whisperx[577].text |
我們真的是蠻支持讓他解凍所以這個部分主席我是這樣建議是不是州局長再跟邱委員把它談清楚沒關係我們請其他委員有沒有意見好有沒有意見沒有意見是這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].start |
15726.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].end |
15753.603 |
| transcript.whisperx[578].text |
好,沒關係我們先處理,其實這案先保留齁,其他的有沒有意見?其他的沒有意見,那請問邱若驊委員,針對你提出的畜動兩百萬這個提案你有堅持嗎?還是要周署長跟你做說明?再請署長會後說明,好,謝謝。那就同意啦。說明完了以後必須要清楚的說明啦齁。 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15754.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].end |
15771.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
好那個局長周署長親自帶著相關的承辦人員向邱若驊委員做明確的說明那個這個案我們就解凍。好均同意動之提報宴會那 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].start |
15776.464 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].end |
15802.291 |
| transcript.whisperx[580].text |
討論事項針對本日會議做以下決議。討論事項第一案交通部主管預算凍結案計31案均同意動之提報院會討論事項第二案道路交通管理處罰條例第七條之一、第六十三條及六十三條之二條文修正草案我們另擇期繼續審查本日議程處理完畢散會 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].start |
15824.108 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].end |
15832.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[581].text |
報告報告報告報告報告報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].start |
15835.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].end |
15837.223 |
| transcript.whisperx[582].text |
報告報告報告報告報告 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].start |
15870.347 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].end |
15870.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[583].text |
報告。 |