| IVOD_ID |
15822 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15822 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T13:30:02+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T14:49:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
01:18:58 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3ead40e7c6eb22b5d9c41854146fdf8e2ad3be8d109af184be46d1480dc243fce845ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T14:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：討論立法院內政委員會「數位身分證換發政策及預算執行調閱小組運作要點」草案。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:30:02 - 14:49:00 |
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好請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員12人已足法定人數好我們現在開會進行報告事項請宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第一會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年4月15日星期一上午九十二分至下午二十四十九分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員麥玉珍委員等14人練習委員沈伯陽委員等25人 |
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練習官員﹚內政部部長林佑昌及相關人員﹚行政院主計總處副主計長陳慧娟﹚原住民組委員會公共建設處處長劉維哲及相關人員﹚行政院公共工程委員會技術處處長曾鈞敏﹚交通部綜合規劃司司長張垂龍及相關人員﹚勞動部勞動力發展署副署長鍾景濟及相關人員﹚農業部農糧署副署長姚志旺及相關人員﹚教育部高等教育室代理司長朱鈞璋及相關人員﹚衛生福利部社會救助及社公司司 |
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財團法人徵災基金會督導陳宗良財政部負稅署副署長倪立新及相關人員主席高金召集委員素梅報告事項一宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二邀請內政部部長行政院主計總處副主計長原住民組委員會行政院公共工程委員會交通部交通部觀光署 |
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環境部﹚勞動部﹚農業部﹚教育部﹚衛生福利部﹚經濟部﹚財政部﹚國軍退出一關兵輔導委員會﹚金融監督管理委員會﹚救零四零災症災致災後救助﹚重建規劃及補助方式﹚及從東華實驗室失火事件檢討災害防救之完備化﹚進行專題報告並被質詢。內政部部長林佑昌﹚交通部綜合規劃司司長張垂龍﹚衛生福利部社會救助及社工司司長蘇昭儒報告委員脈一� |
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分別由內政部部長及相關人員、行政院總處副主計長、原住民組委員會公共建設處處長、行政院公共工程委員會技術處處長、交通部綜合規劃司司長及相關人員、環境部化學署署長、勞動部勞動力發展署副署長、農業部農糧署副署長、專業部高等教育室代理司長、衛生福利部社會救助及社工司司長、財團法人政災基金會督導 |
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經濟部商業發展署主任秘書財政部負稅署副署長答覆說明決定一登記發言委員除不在場者外區域均已發言完必詢答結束二委員林益君吾沛逸羅志強邱若驊莊瑞雄徐宇貞等六人所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報三書面質詢及未及答覆部分及相關機關於一周內另以書面答覆必附資本會通過臨時提案十四案宣讀完畢好請問各位同仁上次的會議議事錄有沒有錯誤 |
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討論立法院內政委員會數位身分證換發政策及預算執行調閱小組運作要點草案。 |
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本日會議由委員徐宇珍等人提出數位身分證換發政策及預算執行調閱小組運作要點草案以及召委吳清明等人提出數位身分證換發政策及預算執行調閱小組運作要點草案等兩案 |
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並任處理,現在請宣讀兩案的運作要點。宣讀完畢之後,我們就進行逐條討論,然後我們請徐玉珍委員先代理一下站帶主席,然後我去處理一些事情,謝謝。請宣讀。明稱委員徐玉珍等人提案及委員吳啟明等人提案,均為立法院內政委員會數位身分證換發政策及預算執行 |
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調閱專案小組運作要點第一點委員徐玉珍等人提案立法院內政委員會立法院職權行使法第45條規定及立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議決議成立數位身分證換發政策及預算執行調閱專案小組以下簡稱本小組委員吳祺寧等人提案 |
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立法院內政委員會數位身分證換發政策及預算執行調閱專案小組,以下簡稱本小組,依立法院職權行使法第45條規定及本院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第7次全體委員會議決成立。第二點,委員徐玉珍等人提案,本小組運作除有關法令令有規定外,依本要點行之。委員吳清明等人提案,本小組運作除憲法法律及本院有關法令令有規定外,依本要點行之。第三點, |
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委員徐宇珍等人提案及委員吳啟明等人提案本小組由內政委員會以下簡稱本會全體委員組成之第4點委員徐宇珍等人提案本小組至召集召集人一人由參加本小組成員互選負責處理小組事務並代表本小組對外發言委員吳啟明等人提案本小組召集人由高經召集委員宿美吳召集委員啟明按召集委員輪值表輪由擔任處理本小組會務並擔任會議主席 |
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委員徐宇珍等人提案本小組會議需由委員三分之一出席方的開會其決議以出席委員過半數同意行之但在場出席委員不足三人者不得一決必要時得以秘密會議方式行之委員吳啟明等人提案本小組會議需由委員三分之一以上出席方的開會其決議以出席委員過半數之同意行之但在場出席委員不足三人者不得一決第六點委員徐宇珍等人提案及委員吳啟明等人提案 |
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本小組會議有關聯署或附議人數準用本院各委員會會議之規定。第7點為徐毅臻等人提案本小組運作期間自民國113年4月17日起至113年8月31日至。但經本小組決議的延長之資料查閱時間為每周一至周五上午9時至下午5時 |
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委員吳啟明等人提案本小組運作期間自民國113年4月17日至113年5月31日但經本小組決議得延長至資料查閱時間為每週一至週五上午9時至12時下午1時30分至5時 |
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第8點委員律政等人提案本小組成員行使查閱職權時應親自為之並屬名於查閱登記部查閱人員負保密義務﹖對經歷難見不得抄錄、攝影、引用、送讀、錄音或為其他複製行為亦不得將文件犀利查閱場所或洩漏之前項經歷難見如被調閱機關拒絕提供時該機關應以書面示明經歷之種類及原因並於三個工作天內 |
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第9點 |
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委員徐玉珍的人提案及委員吳啟明的人提案本小組對外行人得以本會名義為之本小組成人未經決議不得以本小組名義對外發言第10點委員徐玉珍的人提案本小組調閱文件之對象為與數位身分證換發政策及預算執行之所有相關機關本小組擬調閱之文件應經本小組三任以上提案並經本小組決議通過調取之調閱文件以附本為原則 |
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委員吳啟明的人提案本小組調閱文件之對象為數位身分證換發政策及預算執行之所有相關器官但經本小組決議得增加調閱對象本小組調閱文件之範圍及相關事宜需經本小組之決議調閱文件 |
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調閱之文件以副本為原則第11點委員徐玉珍等人提案本小組會議召開時得邀請被調閱文件之機關首長率同有關人員列席說明受邀請者非有正當理由不得拒絕出席及說明委員吳啟明等人提案本小組會議召開時得邀請被調閱文件之機關首長率同有關人員列席委員徐玉珍等人提案第12點本小組為 |
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為預調閱文件需要﹐得附相關單位查訪﹐並得訪談與本案相關之人士或諮詢專家學者﹐本小組會議召開及調閱文件時﹐得聘請專家學者陪同調閱﹐及針對調閱內容表示意見。請向專家學者之人選以二人為姓由召集員提名﹐全體本小組成員表決之。 |
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文緒貞等人提案第13點及委員吳啟明等人提案第12點對調閱對象在調閱期間應指派專員將調閱文件送達指定場所以供查閱並派員管理及付保管責任文緒貞等人提案第14點 |
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本小組提出調閱報告及處理意見應經本會決議調查報告書及處理意見會提出前工作人員、專業人員、保管人員或參與人員附有保密之義務不得對文件內容或處理情形予以揭露涉及依法令應秘密事項者應予保密並以秘密會議處理之 |
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違憂欺民等人提案第13點本小組提出調閱報告及處理意見應經本會決議調閱報告書及處理意見未提出前工作人員專業人員保管人員或查閱人員附有保密之義務不得對文件名容或處理情形予以揭露涉及依法令依秘密事項則應以保密並以秘密會議處理之 |
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委員徐宇貞等人提案第15點及委員吳啟明等人提案第14點本小組所需工作人員由本會職員擔任必要時得依立法院職權行使法第49條規定請求院長指派專業人員協助委員徐宇貞等人提案第16點及委員吳啟明等人提案第15點本運作要點由本會通過後施行修正時異同宣讀完畢 |
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我們現在先處理要點名稱因為兩個版本其實要點名稱都是相同的那是不是這個要點名稱就照徐宇貞委員跟文啟明委員的這個提案通過好嗎?好 |
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好,我們繼續進行下一條,第一點第一點因為徐貞委員跟吳啟明委員其實他引用的法條是相同只是寫法的順序不同那請問一下是不是通過徐貞委員的版本第一點 |
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引用的法條我跟這個吳啓明委員引用的法條是一樣的那只是寫法不同那是不是能夠通過徐執政委員的版本 |
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就兩案一起都通過啊?兩個啊?可是要用哪一個?因為其實這個部分我跟吳祈寧召委其實用的引用的法條都是一樣第45條規定即新建第11屆第1會期的第7次全體委員會議決議 |
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寫法不同意,那吳啟民召委是不是同意可以選我的版本好嗎?好,謝謝,謝謝吳啟民召委。好,我們現在在討論第二點。第二點的話,那個就不一致了,那是他要採用虛擬上還是吳啟民? |
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主席,因為你會覺得吳清明站在這裏很清楚嗎? |
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是不是大家討論看也要,好不好,因為我覺得大家既然,我們也不要這樣含含糊糊,既然成立這個專案小組,我們就消耗錢 |
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好,其實我們所有的運作應該都是要依據憲法跟法律的規定啊,所以還有需要另外再想一下對啦,欸主席因為齁除了憲法法律本頁有關齁另有法律規定之外齁因為齁這是一個要點嘛,好不好好,那就是依照吳啟明委員的版本通過好好,我們第二點就依照吳啟明委員的版本通過 |
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法定人數不足 |
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因為本席的提案跟吳啓明委員的提案不同那基本上呢因為我這邊可以說明一下就是說根據這個部分是希望說因為過去調閱小組其實都有一名或兩名的這個相關的經驗但是因為為了避免兩名召委輪值影響調閱文件的時程所以我們就建議比照110年3月27號交通委員會的進電式 |
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調閱專業小組運作要點致一名召集人那個主席我覺得啦兩位召委都來當我覺得比較好啦這個輪值跟這個我覺得都一樣啊我們每週開會也都是這樣啊 |
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2776.505 |
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李博義委員 |
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先保留OK好對啊表白一下這個其實好那我們在過去過去也有相關的案例不要說只有靜電視過去也曾經在疫苗或者是在行政院鎮壓反服貿學院真相調查小組也是兩個招委啊兩個招委會更周全啊當然我們先保留比如說這個不要用表決對這個可以討論一下那就我們先保留我們先處理 |
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第5點必要時得以秘密會議方式行之徐真委員 |
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好,來,第6,第6點對,就是徐貞委員跟吳啟寧委員的版本是相同的所以第6點我們就通過然後第7點本小組的運作時間我的版本是到8月31號就是我們的這個這一個會期的會期結束 |
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法定人數不足 |
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主席你說的是說 |
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草案。﹗ |
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第8點的部分是前面是一樣的但後面的就是前項機密文件如被調閱機關拒絕提供時該機關應以書面示明機密之種類及原因不予三個工作天內縱交本小組存查 |
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有意見嗎?有意見嗎? |
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主席,因為我們在第8案,第8案在立法院之前刑事法第50條規定是院長或會院長指派專業人員親自參與調閱這是我的提案,謝謝 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會第12次全體委員會 |
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法定人數不足 |
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好那請問 |
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主席這個我想兩個版本其實差不多啦一直是一樣不過因為你看在您提出的版本這個地方違與這個數位身分證相關機關嘛那後面它是委員的版本是說淡金本小組決議得增加調閱資產差不多啦可是好像委員的版本會不會比較容易讀一點點那違與違與數位 |
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委員會主席 |
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對那因為我相信就是貴黨應該是希望能夠調閱的越多越好嘛所以既然一直前面相同那吳衛原你看他還加了一個但書你看本小組可以決議增加欸這不是很棒嗎那要不要採用吳衛原版本我呃我的版本也是一樣啊就是只要相關的通通可以啊對啊是所以這個部分就都要照你的的版本不是不是我覺得大家討論啊大家討論 |
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我的建議是這樣子啦如果說大家因為其實初委員會以後也不會是哪一個人的版本啦都是大家辛苦努力的啊所以能夠不是那麼堅持意見不是那麼相同的話我們是不是就這樣子大家和平這樣子好不好謝謝那是不是這第10點就依照這個區域政委員的版本好嗎第10點對第10點好不好好 |
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第10點就依照徐宇貞委員的版本通過,草案通過,謝謝。好,第11點我跟吳勤民召委的後半段就受邀請者非有正當理由不得拒絕出席及說明,我是增加了這個就是希望能夠更讓這個法條更完善。非有正當理由不得拒絕出席及說明。 |
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我覺得我覺得還好啦這個我們立法院的那個尊嚴我覺得這還好啦好反正我們就是依照徐宇貞委員的版本通過好謝謝第11點就照樣通過然後第12點只有我的版本有嘛吳釗蕙的版本沒有這點那請各位看一下針對這點大家有沒有什麼意見 |
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如果說啦我們這個去受訪機關查訪訪談的話會不會逾越這個文件調查權巡視的範圍我們大家要思考一下 |
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學信委員因為我想這個是應該是我這提案是希望說我們到身分單位查訪是希望把這個這個我們調閱小組的這個整個能夠更完整的了解所有的全貌而且也可以徵詢跟本案相關的人士或諮詢專家學者是讓整個這個整個運作要點能夠更加完善 |
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11條的我覺得 |
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明徐庭委員 |
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3384.21 |
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3384.631 |
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李博弈委員 |
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3405.997 |
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我講一下齁 這個我們立法院自己的執權刑事法第50條就是說這其實是院長他其實經過黨團協商之後那可能各委員會有很多的這些調閱的小組這樣才不會每一個委員會之後出去的這些專家學者你立法院已經無法掌控到多到可能這個意見也沒有辦法很 |
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好,那這條先保留好,現在第13點 |
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草案。﹚ |
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3454.16 |
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徐宇貞委員版本的13點跟吳啟明召委的12點是一樣的?剛剛13點跟吳召委的12點大家沒有意見嗎?因為是一樣的嗎?現在是徐宇貞委員版本第14點 |
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跟吳昭偉的第13點 調查跟調閱這個我建議用吳啟明委員的 因為立法院職權刑事法是調閱立法院職權刑事法是調閱好那大家還有沒有意見如果沒有的話這個就依照吳啟明昭偉的版本好嗎就第13點吳啟明委員版本的第13點好好那 |
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徐貞委員第15點跟吳啟明召委的14點是一樣的嗎?只有阿拉伯數字跟國字的差別那是不是就統一就依照國字好不好?可以嗎?那就依徐貞委員的版本通過其實就是一起的版本啦徐貞委員第16點跟吳啟明召委的第15點是一樣的那是不是也召案通過? |
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第4、第7、第8、第12點 |
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還有對我的第12徐宇珍委員的第12點好針對第4條本小組至召集一人徐珍委員版本是由參加小組成員互選負責處理小組事務並代表本小組對外發言那吳啓明召委的是本小組召集人由高金召委吳啓明召委按召集委員輪值表輪流擔當處理本小組會務並擔任會議主席那我們現在進行表決 |
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委員會委員 |
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主席,在這裡剛才說暴流、反倒返海、再次要說,你雖說標準,說實在的,大家伯伯、董事,我們是希望說有問題的,站出來討論,怎麼說都沒關係,只是說最好是兩個職位都可以納入在裡面,這樣是最好的啦,以上。 |
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3622.735 |
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蘇晨優委員 |
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3638.51 |
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草案。． |
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3669.03 |
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草案。． |
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3688.695 |
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3701.51 |
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不採用這樣的方式嗎?讓大家都有互相表示的意見嗎?事實上你一個我一個讓大家都有發言的空間時間召集會議的權限等等的其實以現在的狀況來講你們也不會輸啊 |
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主席主席委員 |
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3760.712 |
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我覺得這樣子啦齁因為即便是一個召集人的情況下大家也都是可以參與會議啦那我是覺得大家就是比喻監督政府我們讓速度稍微快一點那既然說我們現在大概對第四條跟第七條可能都有些意見我們是希望一個人一個召集人這樣比較快那這樣相對來講你們對第七條的時間上我們可以商量一下怎麼調整嘛就時間稍微短一點然後我們在比較短的時間內把這個調閱的工作把它做完善盡大家監督的責任我是覺得是不是就各退一步啦大家也比較大家也不要 |
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3764.002 |
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不要再這邊兵戎相見會不會比較好我們再商量一下嘛好不好 |
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還有委員有意見嗎?哪有規定的東西跟沒有規定的來大家互相商量我是覺得還是清楚一點我們這第4條裡面輪流召集當然是一直沿用的慣例包含過去8年民進黨多數的時候還是尊重在野黨其實我們在講到第7條 |
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3820.238 |
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現在沒有人知道說這個會期要開到8月31然後我們這個調閱小組開到8月31跟我們的職權行使法裡面46條我們的調閱小組委員會專案小組的設立應該在立法院的會期中為之這個是定下來是怪怪的啦所以以上做這些討論大家再商量一下商量一下 |
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3850.863 |
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那我們先處理那個蘇晴惠委員對如果是要連第7條剛剛牛委員的意思的話一起講的話那我們就一起講齁這個如果我們是要說會期中的話那確實啊憲法規定剛剛不是大家才剛說了嗎是本小組運作是要依循憲法的啊那憲法就是規定我們的會期是到5月31但我們也沒有說我們這個調閱小組我們就只開到5月31因為以第7條吳祈明委員的版本是531之後呢 |
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今本小組決議得延長之。 |
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的版本這不是在討論說可以不可以而是我們是依照立法院職權行使法加憲法這樣下去我認為第7條是採用無委員的版本那如果是這樣的狀況下那我們就不要把它兩條包在一起我們就回來講第4條我覺得立法院真的還是大家互相尊重啦有時候誰做在野黨做在執政黨這個風水輪流轉啦 |
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像幸好我們過去有這個蔣委員的時候沒有讓他當召集人現在我們也可以說啊對不對而且你看如果剛剛一直提到這個兩岸服貿協議調閱小組的話當時也是由張慶中委員和陳其邁委員兩個輪流擔任啊對不對所以我是覺得大家比較互相的啦因為召集人最重要的是他可以決定用什麼題目什麼時間點還是兩席大家互相一下比較好一點啊 |
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3935.599 |
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3945.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[83].text |
其實兩個召集人反而讓外界有認為更公平更公開的一個觀感一個感覺 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].start |
3952.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].end |
3954.788 |
| transcript.whisperx[84].text |
立法院第11屆第12會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].start |
3964.062 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].end |
3964.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[85].text |
草案。．﹚ |
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3989.855 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].end |
3997.045 |
| transcript.whisperx[86].text |
主席你現在是休息協商嗎還是怎麼樣因為你剛剛沒有宣布休息 |
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因為過去陳其邁跟張慶忠也是兩個,他們兩個都當操練嘛對啊過去是陳其邁跟張慶忠啊欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸欸 |
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4027.015 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].end |
4028.819 |
| transcript.whisperx[88].text |
立法院第11屆第2會議 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].start |
4038.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].end |
4064.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[89].text |
來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來來 |
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4066.412 |
| transcript.whisperx[90].end |
4081.125 |
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如果說今天可以協商出一個公事大家就按公司辦也就是協商嘛那如果不按公司辦那就是主條表決嘛那就是這樣子阿我是覺得其實好不容易我們已經兩個月了其實高委員跟吳委員這樣都蠻好的那今天其實高委員也 |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[91].text |
我現在是說大家互相參詳我也是我們不要說大家都是互相為了你們的調閱 |
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一個時候你們要調閱的也有你們要調的也有同樣調的如果就是一個人 剩下三條可以招你們是沒有問題 |
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因為我就在那裡面議案,這樣就達成共同議案,好不好?不是啦!醫療是關...不是啦!醫療是關...那...那如果是這樣那就...那就表決嘛!不是啦!大家...對啦!表決...現在是大家...我講完啦!啊!表決等於都...都趕過去啦!不然都滾不去啦!上山堵那邊大啊! |
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| transcript.whisperx[94].end |
4156.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[94].text |
草案。．﹚ |
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改調啦 現在可以參選的為什麼不參選所以我講嘛 現在有四條大家有不同意見的嘛比如說第一條原則上讓我們一個召集人的話 另外三條我們就召民進黨一間通過嘛這樣我們是不是各退一步 時間上面那個委員小組啊好啦 我跟你請問的齁 你堅持要愛一個社會啦齁 跟我們要愛兩個啦齁 |
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| transcript.whisperx[96].end |
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我先問問你,你是如何要堅持一個社會,是如何要平衡?你一邊一邊堅持的態度,我聽你說,我覺得你可以,我也支持你,這樣好不好?我來講,我來講,你看,我講國語來,可以啦,齁?你看我們內政, |
| transcript.whisperx[97].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[97].end |
4224.894 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
立法院內政委員會主席 |
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4244.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[98].end |
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這會議沒討論 哎唷威啊 每個人都有討論啦如果那一個是吳釗偉的話 你這樣解說下去這樣變你誤解你誤解 如果那一個人是吳釗偉那也是有效率 那我們就是希望一個就是有一個 對啊 就一個希望有效率 所以你剛剛提說委員會也有兩個釗偉 |
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4266.977 |
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4292.99 |
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即便有兩個州委,你看,同一個部會他還是就是那個州委。因為不要緊啦,因為大家都最尊重,你如果要堅持這樣,我也是尊重你啦。這是可以未來喔,我們可以更好,不要大家說,不然我就要占什麼占什麼,跟我們人就這麼多而已,我就特別來討,這樣就,平安心說,我們就真的,幹嘛開竅。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
4298.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[100].text |
立法院第11屆第1會議 |
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4318.682 |
| transcript.whisperx[101].text |
委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[102].end |
4353.073 |
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我們沒有要表決啊沒有啦 當有說表決我上次為了你們說表決 我不想 實際上都沒可能 實際上都不需要這樣真的不要表決 表決會實際上很糟糕你們去看啦 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].start |
4360.538 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].end |
4360.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[103].text |
草案。﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[104].start |
4380.325 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].end |
4401.26 |
| transcript.whisperx[104].text |
所以我們在條文上面還是堅持一個,那你們其他條文就按照一個時間,包括時間。但是如果你們信任我的話,我在排這個調查小組的時候,我們要調查什麼東西,我會充分跟這個召委,我們大家商量。這樣好不好?大家是不是比較和諧一點啊? |
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4425.499 |
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我是覺得這個沒什麼意義啦買一個不買兩個的帥啦搞走的時候要調那個什麼都可以啦說實在話啦我是很相信你的公正啦我唯一的意思是話說你當召集人以後每天都像這樣子喔上下午各一場好我現在講 |
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我們要效率之前我跟趙偉還有兩位民進黨可以決定的我們就討論一下我們要做什麼事情好不好這樣好不好這樣可以嗎這樣可以嗎好不好這樣我們就不要表決我們就大家和諧 |
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4448.015 |
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4451.558 |
| transcript.whisperx[107].text |
法定人數不足 |
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對啦對啦等一下第7條第7條那個531那個得延長要拿掉沒有完全照規的啦照規的啦照規的啦照規的啦照規的啦照規的啦照規的啦 |
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4497.255 |
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4497.876 |
| transcript.whisperx[109].text |
委員會主席 |
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4518.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[110].end |
4518.675 |
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草案。﹚ |
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4534.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].end |
4536.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[111].text |
徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員徐宇貞委員 |
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4572.373 |
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那第12點的部分好,第12條的部分就是徐宇貞委員的部分就這12點就不予採納剛協調是這樣嗎?好,那是不是請先宣讀一下條文 |
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4594.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].end |
4601.319 |
| transcript.whisperx[113].text |
宣讀立法院內政委員會《數位身分證換發政策及預算執行調閱專案小組運作要點》草案協商結果要點名稱依照 |
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委員徐以貞及委員吳清明等提案通過。第一點,照委員徐以貞等提案通過第二點,照委員吳清明等提案通過第三點,照委員徐以貞及委員吳清明等提案通過第四點,照委員徐以貞等提案通過第五點,照委員徐以貞等提案通過 |
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提案通過提案通過提案通過提案通過提案通過提案通過 |
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4655.014 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].end |
4680.789 |
| transcript.whisperx[116].text |
第11點照委員徐以貞等提案通過委員徐以貞等提案第12點不予採納委員徐以貞等提案第13點委員吳祁鳴等提案第12點照案通過委員徐以貞第13點照委員吳祁鳴等提案通過 |
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4683.993 |
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4697 |
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委員徐一貞等提案第15點及委員吳清明等提案第14點,照案通過委員徐一貞等提案第16點及委員吳清明等提案第15點,照提案通過宣布完畢 |
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4699.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].end |
4699.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[118].text |
草案。﹗ |
| transcript.whisperx[119].start |
4751.006 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].end |
4751.747 |
| transcript.whisperx[119].text |
委員會主席 |