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| 委員名稱 |
陳雪生 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:18:22 - 12:29:43 |
| 影片長度 |
681 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「如何提升過境及轉機旅客入境台灣觀光品質並增加觀光人數」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。
【僅進行詢答；第二案至第四案委員預算提案於12月25日中午12時前截止收件】【12月18日及19日二天一次會】） |
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各位謝謝,時間暫停。我首先要跟我們交通部老部長王國才部長質疑,我不會質詢你。還有我們那個龍哥一起煮龍的,今年龍年犯太歲,我們大家生活都要起居小心。好,是不是請部長。好,陳部長。王國才部長不要。沒有沒有,陳部長陳部長,對不起。 |
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部長我最近在觀察你,我發現你的優點,不管誰質詢你,不管哪位立委質詢你,你先面帶笑容,面帶笑容是爭取善意對不對?是。就不會吵架也不會兇你嘛對不對?是,謝謝委員。但是你心裡面回答的不是不,就是研究,你太厲害了。有沒有這一招?你自己感覺咧?我回答不的不多啦。這樣子喔?回答不的不多。 |
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另外是不是請觀光署署長。部長最近臺北跟上海論壇,我最近這兩天有一個感觸跟想法,他們可以用副市長或是市長來這邊跟臺北市交流,我們也可以去對方交流,你看最近馬祖連江縣的縣委書記, |
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還有馬尾的縣委書記陸續到馬祖來參訪。他們也是用次團體的名義過來。我們也可以用次團體名義過去。我想我們觀光署跟對方、跟中國大陸應該沒有正常的管道。 |
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如果能夠用署長、副署長、用觀光旅遊次團體的名義,帶個副理事長、理事長到對面去,正面跟他溝通。我上海剛回來沒多久,上海那邊的人很希望來台灣觀光,他說我們團不放。 |
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我們團沒有不放啊。所以我們王老部長在場嘛,有放啊。他冒了風險,放啦。放的問題是大陸又不放。那你這樣子沒有一個交流的管道,這樣下去我覺得不是好事啦齁。我們拿錢去買觀光,你看拿很多的補助啊,讓韓國啦、東南亞國家的人進來對不對。這不是正道。部長我覺得你可以向上面反映一下。 |
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好不好?有沒有這樣的想法?包括有一些次團體,你說公協會其實他們跟對岸的交流其實都有在做,不是沒有。但是觀光署是比較官方的身份,那或許對岸不一定接受。但是他們官方的過來我們接受啦。我們其實都一直蠻開放的。我們也用官方的過去嘛,你先把先試一下看看嘛,你不是怎麼行呢?是不是?我們探尋看有沒有這樣的機會。你看八月到九月到現在? |
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我們進門馬祖開放,來的人大概不過不到6000人。對,在馬祖的狀況是比較少,一天差不多100人。好不好,這一次當然我們也建議蔣萬安市長能夠跟華源副市長能夠藉著這樣的交流平台,能夠讓一些人過來。這樣對這個軍事的對視不會那麼緊張那麼嚴重。 |
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那其實我談到燈會,我在這邊質詢了10年了齁,這個燈會你看,從高雄、台中、桃園,桃園現在明年要組,今年是明年嘛齁?對,明年的,明年2月。那桃園辦燈會,又等於是第二輪了。 |
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我請問周署長,這個各縣是輪流辦了還是就是這幾個6州在辦?他也是提出申請,然後我們兩年宣布一次,那2026,2025在桃園,2026在嘉義,2027是在苗栗。那有沒有機會輪到金門、馬祖、澎湖? |
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因為它是大型的計畫你講實話沒關係啦我們目前來講因為要再搭飛機再搭這個船的話因為我們在你去講沒有就好了嘛是不是沒有機會嘛是不是部長你不要笑啊你心裡面也是講不啦主要是考慮到超大型那算超大型活動那我講了嘛你既然沒有大型超大型的話金門、馬祖、澎湖這是亞細亞的孤兒啊離島中的離島是不是 |
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有其他的活動有其他活動那你們要準備補助我們馬祖今天要辦燈會你準備補助我們多少?如果地方舉辦的話我們通案是縣市政府的話是餘率可以兩百萬兩百萬辦什麼?買那個小孩子提的燈籠是不是? |
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不會啦,我們在這次的桃園的主燈裡面有一個設計也有馬祖的燈。沒有,我嚴肅的跟你報告,你最少要給500萬,因為你這裡都是3800萬,這幾個六都啊,都3800、3800從2020開始,每年都是3800、3800,你最少給500萬,你要不要給我承諾? |
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我過兩天要審理預算了,我準備把3800給他砍掉我跟你講,我內心的事情是這樣。朝委會不太開心,不要啦。朝委不會不開心,朝委一定支持我的,是不是?我們來立法院也是有個先來喝到,我想我們朝委對我是非常尊重,不是很尊重。 |
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這樣子好不好,那個跟學生們報告一下,就是燈會的部分,我們跟連江縣政府提出來的時候,我們盡全力來協調。已經協調過了,是你們告訴他數字。 |
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你應該叫他計畫提出來嘛,是350、400或是450、500,你告訴他我大概給你多少。我們來看一下是不是有等於是馬祖燈會以外的相關的周邊一起來。針對燈會齁,因為各縣市的比例其實都一樣。我知道,我現在講離島,我們離島永遠沒機會輪到對不對。你今天給馬祖五百萬,明年給金門五百萬,甚至更多一點,房屋更多一點,我都同意。 |
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登會的部分就這樣,但其他的部分我們再來想辦法。從其他的部分來想辦法。這有預算的勒,每年都有預算,連續薪金費,每年都在編的勒,是不是?你要我對這個動手嗎?不要吧。我內心也不想,我也很掙扎。從周邊來協調。對,我們來協助,你能夠達成效果,這樣比較重要。會啦,會啦。從周邊來達成效果。你答應我至少給個500萬。 |
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你點頭囉,這點頭你不是跟我...這不好說,我們從周邊來協助。我上來執行你就面帶微笑,對不對?內心的世界又是講不,或是研究。我不會協助馬祖先生,這個沒問題。好不好,你就給我個面子,不管怎麼樣給個五百萬。我希望風風光光的,我也快下台了,對不對? |
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做熱鬧一點好不好,你不要每年都這樣人人氣。我們也有管理處在那邊,林江縣政府的成就也是我們馬管處的成就。我們掛那個燈都不值啦,掛那個燈啦。馬管處另外的協助啦,馬管處會處理其他的。馬管處有他的經費?對啦,會處理另外的經費。你什麼東西都馬管處,馬管處有多少錢?去掉用人費沒剩多少錢啊?然後都是鐵的啊,鋼鐵啊鐵啊那不能吃的,都是資本門啊你知道嗎? |
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不能吃的,消耗不了好不好?署長有時候會協助。署長齁,你給五百萬齁,這個你答應我,你要做到齁。好,另外我又回頭到前天跟部長質詢的我們的包機,高雄到馬祖的包機齁。這個第三階段,署長我跟部長報告過囉,部長說要跟你商量啦齁。 |
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我早上打電話去觀光署,他們說什麼兩百萬啊?他不知道有這麼一回事,也不知道前面給了我們多少,他也不知道。 |
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怎麼可以這樣?部長回去,或是部長在那邊接受質詢,你們底下都沒聽。您直接打給署長,不用打給觀光署啦。不要打給觀光署?你直接打給署長就好。打給署長喔?是是是。署長你今年講說沒錢嘛對不對?我們一直擠啊一直擠啊,抽了兩百萬出來嘛對不對?那你明年新的預算錢太多太多啦,多少錢我跟你講齁? |
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各特色活動補助編列了3.35億,國外包機郵輪補助4623萬。這是非常多的活動,包括我們台灣觀光聯力還有我們各…3.35億,200萬在裡面是拔他一根毛而已啊,你瞭解沒有? |
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所以部長,我前天問部長,部長說還要跟你商量咧?我如果是部長的話,陳委員,不只兩百萬,給你三百萬。部長你要有這個gas、魄力嘛,對不對?你這樣我才瞧得起你啊,我已經很看得起你了,但是我希望你再加油好不好?好、好、好。這個、這個周署長。 |
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第三階段的包機拜託您成全。我在20幾號在民航局我要主持,我跟許智傑委員共同主持馬高航線後續的事宜,要把它轉為固定航班。我們也希望促成。你不要光希望,你光希望有什麼用?大家都在希望,你也是一顆螺絲釘,你這個螺絲釘把它釘上去的話就固定了,好不好?把它變成固定航班。署長有沒有問題? |
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你們現在二十幾號要開會嘛,那就看會議的結論怎麼樣?會議結論,我是主席啊,我把結論先告訴你。 |
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我已經把結論告訴你啦!看你要還是不要嘛!好不好?好啦,謝謝部長、謝謝署長、謝謝主席。 |
| IVOD_ID |
158213 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158213 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-18 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-16 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
16 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-18T12:18:22+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-18T12:29:43+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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