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委員名稱 |
蔡其昌 |
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11:07:24 - 11:19:21 |
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717 |
會議時間 |
2024-12-18T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請交通部部長陳世凱、交通部觀光署署長及桃園國際機場股份有限公司董事長就「如何提升過境及轉機旅客入境台灣觀光品質並增加觀光人數」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於交通部觀光署及所屬單位預算。
三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算非營業部分關於交通部主管交通作業基金─觀光發展基金分預算。
四、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算營業部分關於交通部主管中華郵政股份有限公司營業預算。
【僅進行詢答;第二案至第四案委員預算提案於12月25日中午12時前截止收件】【12月18日及19日二天一次會】) |
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謝謝主席請陳部長陳部長觀光署周署長周署長委員好委員好部長我想今天早上我在辦公室已經聽到你多次表達 |
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在兩岸觀光上面基本的一個對等跟利益互惠原則的立場我是聽得很清楚但我是覺得大家不斷地要repeat這件事情我覺得也有點奇怪但是本席有一點可能要提醒你一下中華民國沒有限制任何一個人到大陸地區旅行、觀光、經商 |
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但是你要講一下這個,軍人不行,對,那個是我們特殊的規定,我說我們講一般,一般,販子一般人,但反過來你也要講到這個反而要提醒大家,台灣有一些人去中國很危險,譬如說王逸川就很危險, |
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有一種台獨就是他認為你是台獨你就是台獨這個不限理蔡其昌啊這個在台灣你的各行各業都有可能只要中國高興他願意他對你不爽他就把你列為台獨份子你就可能會被逮捕啊我覺得這個風險的提示是政府應該要做的 |
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這不是威嚴聳聽阿對沒錯我想大家在媒體上看過太多的例子這些人也不一定是民進黨黨員這些人也不一定做過了什麼事情但是很奇怪的他被滯留很奇怪他被逮捕很多人甚至手機被盤查這個在台灣作為一個民主法治的國家我們都覺得這是侵犯人權這個是完全不能夠接受的不好意思對岸就是這個樣子 |
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本席過去對觀光署的指證裡面其實我個人不會去阻擋什麼兩岸的什麼觀光往來啦但是本席過去也不斷的在提醒一件事情天上掉下來的禮物啊就只能那個叫機會財啊就天上掉下禮物來你不用什麼成本那你就去撿嘛你就要撿啊如果我們的旅宿業者面對 |
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對岸天上掉下來的禮物你說我們堅持什麼不撿我覺得也太過啦天上掉下來的禮物就撿嘛但是啊千萬不要花成本去準備天上要掉下來的禮物啦不然你會很慘這個本席過去啊在2020年之前我在交通委員那麼久的時間我講過了N次了過去我講這個時候還有其他黨的委員說我們什麼危言聳聽 |
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為什麼不是危言聳聽呢?因為全世界民主自由的國家所有的商務所有的觀光旅行的往來都建立在一個法制的基礎上而這個法制通常是讓人民有自由選擇的權利但不好意思我們隔壁對岸的中國他沒有這個問題他只要命令一下就限制了人民去哪一個國家所以那個國家都會因為 |
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入客來而觀光一下子展現了前所未有的榮景但是你只要讓他不高興他就立刻說你的觀光就立刻崩潰不只台灣嘛你看過很多鄰近的國家都是這個問題所以呢我為什麼說如果我們沒有提示性的讓我們的觀光業者知道而花很多錢就像 |
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疫情前我們那麼多人為了準備迎接入客的到來投入了那麼多的錢結果最後血本無歸我講這個完全沒有政黨立場我也沒有什麼意識形態我講這個純粹叫做債商言商 |
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而觀光署對於觀光旅宿業者該有的提醒,該讓事情的本質展現商業的本質跟所謂統戰的本質,背後有政治力可以主導一切的本質,如果要賺這種錢,賠就要冥額。 |
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要賺這種錢的人陪在北岸,因為你不知道什麼時候他不爽,他就收了嘛。全世界的生意沒有人這樣做,所以我們叫債商言商,要讓大家清楚知道風險在哪裡。所以呢,兩個事情要記得提醒,兩岸的觀光往來,兩岸的要什麼這個往來我都不會去特別去反對,沒什麼特別意識形態,但是風險在哪裡,政府要做好提示。 |
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要過去我們從來沒有阻擋自由行你現在隨時刻你此刻就可以去買一張機票你就可以往就可以去中國沒有任何的阻礙但是呢政府要提醒的是去到那個地方現在的風險是什麼有一種風險叫做對方認為你是台獨的風險而你可能會被逮捕你可能會被拘禁你可能會被收身你可能你的手機會被檢查這個反而是政府應該要提醒的是 |
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但是我也要替觀光業者講一句話我們在面對入客這種不穩定不確定政治掛帥的商業模式底下署長我還是老話一句啦這一年來我已經跟你提醒過很多次了怎麼樣對於其他啦就是你看像最近韓國的遊客變多了你看我們辦了一個12強的比賽在台灣你看 |
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光大巨蛋周邊的旅宿房價都漲了兩成啊公不應求都漲了兩成我們可以台灣可以吸引到美日韓其他所謂我們認為他是民主國家他政治風險他商業風險很低的觀光客來到台灣他的消費能力可能也很好啊所以 |
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觀光署怎麼去引導這些這些這些旅客我覺得這個才是台灣觀光要發展最重要的基礎跟命脈其實在這裡 |
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部長你同意嗎?報告委員這個部分我們確實這一兩年都在努力這個方向所以我們到現在為止以今年來說我們北美的這個旅客北美來台灣的旅客已經超過這個疫情疫情之前的這個旅客也就是說我們在北美的開發旅客的部分其實是有成果的已經超越疫情之前那旅客的多元化也是最近一直在努力的一個方向沒錯 |
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但是我覺得這個我還是不滿意啦因為數字齁我覺得台灣沒有千萬觀光客說實在話實在是明年我們的目標就是千萬對那你有其他我當然知道嘛因為上次我也問過了嘛齁有這個這些這個雖然我不是能夠接受啦但觀光署講的什麼地震啊什麼這個我說實在話我不能日本地震比我們一樣多那為什麼它可以成長 |
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所以找到理由再找到原因找到解決方式然後貫徹的去執行這個是觀光署要做的啦阿其實我們還有很多觀光財可以運用你看到那麼多例子嘛你看一個棒球比賽可以帶動這麼多的人到台灣來觀光二、二月又要比了 |
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二月又要比了當然這一次國家比較遠一點可能來的難度高但是它也是一個競賽它不但競賽它也可以促進國旅因為它在大巨蛋比中南部的球迷要上來他可能也可以住宿在台北不一定要當天坐高鐵回去 |
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所以其實觀光局的思維要更多元廣泛不只我們棒球比賽還有很多其他電競、演唱會各式各樣的這種商演都是很好的跟觀光可以做很好的結合 |
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這個就是多元化不只國家的多元化我們對觀光思維不是只有說我就是規劃好要去旅行他只要離開家他其實就開始進行觀光啊消費啊甚至他住一個晚上就需要旅宿嘛所以觀光的角度我覺得應該是這個樣子最後一個小問題齁這個部長你這個我有看到這個我們郵政公司啊對於這個Team Taiwan冠軍遊者啊 |
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首波就秒殺。 |
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那個董事長首波就秒殺啦齁我看了一下這個你們遊者第一波只做五千份總共應該是一萬啦因為還會有第二次一萬喔就算不管啦就算你做到兩萬我還是覺得你太小看這個冠軍的威力我們現在下個禮拜一二在這個網購就不限量對啦啊那個數字兩天的這個預購這個數字晚以後我們就跟包括 |
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這個中華職棒我們在談這個授權就馬上這個看有多少份就給多少份對我的意思就是說郵政公司對市場的敏感度應該要更高一點你看到我們前面對不對職棒雜誌一賣就20萬本 |
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你們這個遊者設計那個五千五千一萬的這個實在是敏感度我現在講是賺錢啦我希望郵政公司收益能夠更好嘛所以我剛有再報告大概大概這樣我們有一個步驟啦像今天開始就是明信片大概有四十萬張然後遊者先一萬份然後第二波易過就是我們要看真的是要探探那個市場 |
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不是,我的意思告訴你說有一些指標你可以不用探了嘛,就你問一下我們到底賣了中華紙棒賣了雜誌賣了幾萬份你其實大概就可以預估嘛,所以我的意思說我不是責怪你們啦,是說你這種錢你再不賺,你想到要出郵票是好事啦,還有很多單位連想都沒想過這個事情,你想到要出郵票是好事,但是你對於量的預估齁,這個賺錢的速度太慢了, |
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好不好,這個要加油啦,不然中華郵政剛剛也有人在檢討你啊,你這個賺錢喔,這個已經獨家嘛喔,要怎麼發展,從過去的這個郵票要怎麼,郵務業務要怎麼去推展,我們還有很多優勢嘛。根委員報告齁,那個明年1月22號有四枚紀念郵票,大概有60萬份。60萬套,那個比較多。那個就是,因為紀念郵票是記在我們的這個郵政的發展史裡面的,所以那個包括 |
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謝謝大家,謝謝主席,謝謝。 |
IVOD_ID |
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IVOD_URL |
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日期 |
2024-12-18 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-23-16 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
16 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
23 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期交通委員會第16次全體委員會議 |
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開始時間 |
2024-12-18T11:07:24+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-12-18T11:19:21+08:00 |
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