| IVOD_ID |
15819 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15819 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-17 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-36-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
司法及法制委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-17T08:31:32+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-17T12:56:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:24:28 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/8d241381c4f8c7fcd40e7c6eb22b5d9c83679203eefbeec03be8d109af184be49df818e2eacbcbd15ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-17T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：併案審查
（一）委員黃健豪等20人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（二）委員徐巧芯等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百七十二條之一條文修正草案」案。
（四）委員王育敏等20人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（五）委員楊瓊瓔等20人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（六）委員蘇清泉等28人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條及第二百八十六條之一條文修正草案」案。
（七）國民黨黨團擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（八）委員柯志恩等19人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（九）委員徐欣瑩等18人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
（十）委員陳超明等22人擬具「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案」案。
【第（九）、（十）案如經院會復議，則不予審查】） |
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1893.929 |
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報告委員會初席委員12人已足法定人數請主席宣布開會現在開會進行報告事項宣讀上次會議事錄立法院第11屆第一會期司法及法制委員會第12次全體委員會議事錄實現中華民國一百十三年四月十五日星期一上午九十八分至下午三十三十九分地點本院紅樓302會議室初席委員黃文國昌等十三人列席委員林委員楚英等二十九人 |
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1894.469 |
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1920.986 |
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列席官員立法院秘書長周萬來等人主席吳昭吉委員鐘憲報告事項宣讀上次會議事錄決定確定討論事項繼續審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具立法院職員行使法部分條文修正草案等共20案決議依立法院職員行使法部分條文修正草案等15案大體討論完畢進行逐條審查台灣民眾黨黨團提案第二條第15條之二第15條之四第25條第29條真定第29條之一 |
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1922.347 |
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1942.957 |
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正定第29條之二第30條正定第30條之一第31條第八章章明第45條至第50條正定第50條之一至第50條之六第51條至第53條委員翁曉琳等16人提案第15條第29條第44條委員傅坤祺等52人提案第15條之一第15條之二第15條之四委員翁曉琳等16人提案第15條之一第15條之二第15條之四委員吳宗憲等提案 |
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1949.454 |
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1962.303 |
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第十五條之一第十五條之二第十五條之四委員賴瑞隆等17人提案第十五條之二委員吳宗憲等17人提案第十七條委員楊秋英等20人提案第25條第45條之第47條第54條第56條增訂第56條之一增訂第56條之二第57條增訂第57條之一第58條第59條增訂第75條之一增訂第75條之二委員翁曉林等18人提案第25條委員吳宗憲等18人提案第25條第26條 |
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1977.833 |
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1985.937 |
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委員傅昆齊等52人提案第29條第30條增定第30條之一第31條委員吳宗憲等17人提案第29條增定第29條之一第30條增定第39條增定第30條之一第31條 |
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1992.13 |
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2014.1 |
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委員傅昆祺等52人提案第八章章明第45條第46條增定第46條之一第47條至第50條增定第50條之一第50條至第53條增定第九章之一章明增定第59條之一至第59條之九委員吳宗憲等16人提案第八章章明第45條第46條增定第46條之一第47條至第50條增定第50條之一第51條至第53條增定第九章之一章明 |
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2020.743 |
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2048.325 |
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增定五十九條之一之第五十九條之九委員賴仕寶等二十人提案增定第十二章之一章名增定第七十四條之一至第七十四條之五均保留送院會處理。全案審查完略並按理據審查報告提請院會公決。續交由黨團協商因為討論時有無召集委員中線出席說明二﹐中華民國刑法增定第五章之一章名第一百四十一條之一及第一百四十一條之二條文草案等二案。 |
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2067.273 |
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大體討論完畢進行主條審查委員翁曉琳等19人提案增訂第140條之一委員傅坤祺等52人提案增訂第五章之一章名增訂第140條之一及第140條之二均保留送院會處理全案審查完畢並按已具審查報告提起院會公決續交黨團協商院會討論時由吳釗紀文中線出席說明 |
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2070.994 |
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2092.441 |
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立法委員護璇院長副院長辦法第一條條文修正草案等三案大體討論完畢進行逐條審查委員盧志政等20人提案第一條台灣民眾黨黨團提案第一條第一條之一韓委員黃國昌等6人所提修正動議委員盧銘哲等24人提案第一條均保留送院會處理全案審查完畢並按擬具審查報告提請院會公決需叫黨團協商院會討論時有吳釗其文中線出席說明 |
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2115.507 |
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以上個案條字引述條文部分文字及法制用之用與授權主席及議事人的整理經表決未通過提案三案經表決未通過三位動議四十案宣讀完畢好請問各位就上次會議的議事錄有無錯誤或遺漏沒有那議事錄確定好那接下來我們介紹道場委員 |
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2143.354 |
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羅志強委員黃國昌委員徐欣盈委員陳俊宇委員傅坤祺委員謝龍介委員廖偉翔委員林思敏委員翁曉琳委員黃玉敏委員鍾嘉斌委員好那我們再來介紹則好我們介紹到場的 |
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2146.083 |
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2166.292 |
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列席官員法務部政務次長蔡碧仲司法院副秘書長黃林倫副秘書長衛福部保護服務司副司長郭采榮內政部合作及人民團體司專門委員陳俊廷 |
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2170.749 |
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2197.891 |
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教育部國民局校前教育署學校學務校安組組長葉信春內政部警政署防治組副組長施怡仙本市議程討論事項（併案審查委員黃健豪等20人擬具《中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案》等10案 |
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2200.834 |
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2210.744 |
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我們現在先進行提案說明及報告進行提案說明的時間為每位提案人3分鐘請國民黨黨團代表副委員坤祺進行提案說明 |
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刑法二百八十六條條文修正草案。我們再一次嚴肅地來看待台灣社會的環境。當我們的孩子在家庭裡面或是寄居在外不能讓他能夠好好的健康的平安的成長而受到各種各式各樣不同的虐待 |
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2251.547 |
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2275.205 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華 |
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孩子必須有更好的成長空間與環境的時候,立法院提出了修正案對286條刑法這個虐兒哨的這個案子來把它提升刑度但是提升刑度以後 |
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2313.183 |
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刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文 |
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本席建議要把這些不適合也不具有從後在這個世間價值扭曲人格的這些喪心病狂的人這些虐兒 |
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條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期 |
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2362.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
2371.789 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第13期司法及法制委員會第13期司法及法制委員會第13期司法及法制委員會第13期司法及法制委員會第13期司法及法制委員會第13期司法及法制委員會第13期司法及法制委員會第13期 |
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2386.732 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13 |
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大家好感謝今天我們的主席吳宗憲召委那讓司法委員會可以再有效率然後並且及時反映我們對於社會對於這個嚴懲虐童以及殺童民情之下讓今天的刑法相關的修正案可以被排排案審查 |
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那我今天要跟大家說明的就是我所提出的法律修正案是刑法第七十七條以及二七二條之一的修正草案那我們提案的原因也很單純因為我認為這個幼童在自我保護能力是很低落的 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
2460.043 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
2472.282 |
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三（委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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那也因此我的修法重點是放在所謂的虐待防治我認為國家應該給這些小朋友積極更積極的保護作為才能夠在近年不斷發生的這個多期幼童幼童跟凌虐致死的案件中可以急切的並且有效的去彌補現在現行刑法規範過輕的現象這樣才能夠嚇阻類似的犯罪行為的發生所以在修法內容裡面我的草案規定 |
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希望只要有人犯下刑法的第二百七十二八六條的防害幼童發育罪並且受到兩年以上的宣告的徒刑就修正列為這個第七十七條規定當中不能夠施用這個有期徒刑假釋。 |
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另外在新增的二七二條之一的內容所徵定的這個殺害幼童罪刑度是定定在因處無期徒刑或死刑。我想要藉由這樣的提高嚇阻的效用 |
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| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
2544.111 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第11會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[29].end |
2570.791 |
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接下來我們請王玉敏委員做提案說明謝謝主席各位委員還有各位官員大家好我想本席這一次再度提出來有關於刑法286條條文的修正草案這是第二次了在上一屆我擔任立委的時候也曾經提出來但是很可惜在立法院的審查主管機關 |
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2602.308 |
| transcript.whisperx[30].text |
條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
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2625.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[31].text |
條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條及第二百七條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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2635.234 |
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2660.224 |
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二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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草案,就是針對如果對於未滿六歲的幼童施以凌虐或以他法足以妨礙其身心健全發育之行為者提高他的法定刑期二分之一然後你如果針對凌虐未滿六歲幼童致死者最高可以處以死刑以保障兒少的司法正義 |
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那這一件事情我看了今天與會的各部會的報告都說我們贊成要保護兒少但是以下就有很多的但是包括法務部的報告裡面有很多對於各委員提出來的版本是反對的意見司法院還好一點就是說尊重各主管機關最後的共識那我認為法律是要服務人民的 |
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如果今天台灣的民意主張維持死刑台灣的民意針對這種去把未成年甚至六歲以下的兒童凌虐致死的這些個案大家憤怒生氣認為應該法律要處以重罰那我覺得我們的立法院 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案案。 |
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主席各位官員各位委員大家好我們大家都說兒童是未來我們國家未來的主人翁可是為什麼這個虐童案一直都有在發生那前陣子凱凱案的爆發更引發了全民對於虐童刑度是否恰當的關注 |
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三月十三日公共政策網路參與平台更是聯署提議增加虐童者的刑責也達到了聯署的門檻我們知道虐童是全民所不能容忍的 |
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尤其是凌虐完全沒有反抗表達能力的嬰兒更是可惡。為了回應民意本席提案中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案增訂了凌虐未滿三歲之人刑度更高的規定。 |
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原先現行規定凌虐未滿18歲之人行度為處六個月以上五年以下的有期徒刑並依營利致死或重傷等分別規定更高的行度本席之提案是偵涉凌虐未滿三歲之人行度提升為五年以上十二年以下而凌虐未滿三歲之人因此致死或致重傷者 |
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無論有意無意意圖引力行度均提升為死刑無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑用以回應民眾對提升行度的因應期盼。敬請各位委員的支持謝謝 |
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接續我們請機關代表報告發言時間是5分鐘那我們首先請法務部蔡次長報告首先謝謝各位委員各位現場的先進大家好 |
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首先我必須要澄清剛剛委員說本部反對提高內同的量刑這個不是事實在這裡做澄清今天的書面各位委員提供的增加加重內同的這樣的一個惡行本部絕對贊同 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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2972.182 |
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2977.305 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期 |
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3011.748 |
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這個司法院的法官一定要有意見不可以說沒有意見不可以這個委員提供出來的大家都認同結果本部反而認同這個委員的意見司法院說他們沒有意見我覺得蠻奇怪的 |
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我先跟各位委員報告這些委員的提案如果再能夠參酌等一下我提供給各位委員的數據就會更更符合現行的這個刑法的法制我們現行的法制就是這個法定型各位看到了要嘛就是死刑無期徒刑五年以上十二年以下一年以上七年以下他罰金現在就有增加比如說七年以上 |
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條文修正草案案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人 |
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所有各位委員提出來的寶貴意見只要參佐這個我們都贊同那麼第二點啊不適用假釋通通不要適用假釋呼應民意只要我們認為惡性重大的通通不要適用假釋要嘛就一次到位來改革不可以只說只有286條不適用假釋那跟他相類親愛法醫的更嚴重的殺人犯要不要適用假釋 |
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所以各位委員你們希望他不要適用假釋我也同意但是不是只有針對這一條否則違反憲法平等原則提供這個選件給各位參考罪責相當故意一定比過失致死要重我相信各位委員一定認同那你說車禍包括酒醉咒事致人疑詞你說這個罪 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會議．立法院第12屆第3會議．立法院第14會議．立法院第15會議．立法院第16會議．立法院第17會議．立法院第18會議．立法院第18會議．立法院第19會議．立法院第18會議．立法院第19會議．立法院第18會議．立法院第19會議．立法院第18會議．立法院第19會議．立法院第19會議．立法院第19會議．立法院 |
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最後第一項第二項的這個局劇也有一個一個一個一個原則也就是說第一項定六個月以上五年以下第二項就五年以上十二年差太多啦中間的局劇差太多這個稍微這個參酌一下那麼以上我簡單跟各位分享支持但是依照法制因為法律定出去老百姓在看以後檢察官法官在試用謝謝 |
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接下來我們請司法院黃秘書長報告黃秘書長報告完之後我們請陳超明委員做提案說明 |
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主席各位委員今天貴會針對刑法286條以及77條272條之一有幾位委員提出了大概10個的修正案請司法院來表示意見我們表達感謝首先要跟委員報告剛才法部的蔡政次說我們司法院要反對 |
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3300.46 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委 |
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幾點提供委員們做參考首先像法務部的書面裡面也提到說提高法定刑度當然是當然的職權但是一些法定刑的這些固定的格式刑法有一些固定的模式各位在提高的時候也建請可以稍微斟酌一下 |
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3332.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3334.616 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
條文修正草案案 案件 及刑法條文修正草案 案件 及刑法條文修正草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].start |
3357.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].end |
3359.813 |
| transcript.whisperx[62].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].start |
3379.121 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3382.283 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].text |
刑法第二百七十二條條文刑法第二百七十二條條文刑法第二百七 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].start |
3394.952 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].end |
3398.775 |
| transcript.whisperx[64].text |
條文修正草案．中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文 |
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3415.726 |
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3418.348 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案 刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案 |
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3437.882 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3441.905 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].text |
條文修正草案案 案件,其中其中一項侵犯法律法律法律法律法律法律法律法律 |
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好 謝謝那我們機關代表報告完畢那相關書面報告內容請各位參閱並列入公報記錄接著我們請提案人陳昌明委員進行提案說明 |
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3492.596 |
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3511.253 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
大家好現在本席請求提出刑務法第二百八十六條稀正案一共有兩項那大家也了解孩子是每位父母心中的寶貝但是往往內同事件發生了以後 |
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法院量刑的結果卻與社會的期待出現很大的落差所以傷害幼童罪而言因為《兒少法》第112條規定故意傷害幼童刑期加重二分之一因此最高得罪七年六個月的有期徒刑反觀內堂部分最高僅五年有期徒刑 |
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| transcript.whisperx[70].text |
那對於幼童長期的靈念造成孩子身心靈創傷不亞於傷害罪但是靈念幼童罪行其確低於傷害罪一來不符合社會的期待二來無法有效地遏止瑞士行為再次的發生再者以凸顯法律為盡周圍之策 |
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因此本席提出選法第二百八十六條修正案一共有兩項我會希望各位委員跟支持那衛福部近來指 |
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3604.952 |
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只是將近十一年來每年也有萬名的兒童售內我們都期待大家都期待本期提出這個修正案能獲得草野的支持一起做孩子們的靠山別讓秋心的畫面一再的出現在此拜託各位委員支持謝謝大家 |
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提案說明跟機關報告都已經進行完畢那我們現在開始詢討討論條文時能有機會充分的表達意見所以我們詢討的時間本會委員為8分鐘非本會委員為4分鐘那均不再延長上午10點30分截止 |
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| transcript.whisperx[74].text |
十點三十分截止發言登記現在請登記第一位委員鍾嘉斌委員發言主席在場的委員先進列席的政府機關所長官員會長公眾夥伴媒體記者女士先生而有請法務部蔡次長衛福部的郭副司長以及警政署的司副組長 |
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3675.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[75].end |
3696.735 |
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請蔡次長還有副司長跟副組長好請上台謝謝好我們今天都非常的關切對兒少的凌虐侵害其實呢和我們之前關心的兒少剝削這都是重要的課題啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[76].text |
三）委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[77].end |
3730.77 |
| transcript.whisperx[77].text |
刑法第三條條文修正草案案 刑法第三條條文修正草案案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[78].text |
條文修正草案．一）委員 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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三（委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 «中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案》案。 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．一）委員廖 |
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沒有人買賬戶就不會有人偷。」所以你認為這個是更嚴重的?你覺得哪個最嚴重?三槍白皮芯穿山甲台灣黑熊哪個最嚴重?多嚴重?當然啦!我們現在是針對說哪些是瀕臨這個秘訣的齁?市長很有sense齁?三槍跟白皮芯不是保育類的啦!穿山甲跟台灣黑熊是保育類的啦!你點到了保育類的齁?就非常的嚴重啦! |
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但是非保育類的還有另外的問題好我們來看一下野生動物保育法幫你揭曉了也包括第40條如果你是買賣的保育類的野生動物是要罰30萬到100萬30萬以上100萬150萬以下的罰金但是如果你是去獵捕是20萬以上100萬以下你覺得買賣比較嚴重還是獵捕比較嚴重 |
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在這個法條上就我來講我認為買賣最起碼不低於獵捕好但是在目前實務上呢你對於野保的消費買賣的罪責目前克責是比獵捕更嚴重就是說你們這些買賣消費的人才是罪魁禍首因為沒有你們去買賣消費其實獵捕的後面不會發生 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖� |
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三（委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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影像平台上他是看單選購他是直接要求他的費員資格足以讓他要求這個平台幫他去找這樣的影片甚至請人家去拍攝那我請問一下 懸賞影片在這種情況之下等不等同於教唆殺人我要殺一個人我去買兇我說我要懸賞誰的人頭我出的價錢 |
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當然這個比喻是可以這樣比喻啦所以這個類型雖然行則上是有差啦類型是可以這樣比喻沒錯好那不只購買跟選項我們看下一頁那還可以這個平台還可以提供分論喔 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條及第二百七 |
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所以這個部分只要有合字一樣他就是屬於共犯很好所以這一個案件他兩年多來這個創意處施訪他有3200多次四個錢包收款了2800萬最近的一次購買是在4月10號上禮拜而已黃案爆發後仍然在交易請問法務部你認為警政署這邊要不要查 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具 |
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二）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十九條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十九條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十九條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十九條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十九條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法 |
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法務部請問如果未來使用國外會實名制的虛擬資產交易平台能不能追查到犯罪交易?有可能可以喔那另外他如果用境外的電商平台委託外國人士代為虛擬資產的交易可不可以查到專案這個人士?有可能因為現在法務部我們現在自詡為科技的法務部我們希望透過未來在大院很可能通過的科技偵查法那你們送來了沒有? |
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三）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由）立法院第11屆第12屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由）立法院第17屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17 |
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這個絕對可以因為這種組織性犯罪本來就是我們要嚴以打擊的對象所以除了今天的本題之外我希望兩個要求請研議和警政署共同研究使用國外非實名制虛擬資產交易平台追查犯罪交易的方式 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會主席 |
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下一位我們請審法會委員發言好主席我們請蔡市長麻煩蔡市長 |
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蔡市長早這個我想我們今天我們本院司法委員會安排這個有關於刑法第兩百兩百八十六條第七十七條跟兩百七十二條之一的這些修正案的審查我想這是展現說我們本院委員事實上大家對於民意的快速的回應 |
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當然在這段時間裡面包括剛剛所有的各每一個案子的提案說明過程大家都其實聽起來就是意見滿一致這是大家對於這個目前社會因為這個發生了這個這個具體的這個虐童案件所以讓讓這個民意認為應該要在這個我們的刑法的這個包括刑度上面應該有所調整 |
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因此今天我們很快的有很多的委員在很短的時間內提出了修正案那也很快的我們的主席就在今天安排這樣子的會議來來進行審查了那剛才這個部有時間給部長給次長在這裡先說明法務部對於這個修法的這些態度我聽起來是這樣就是說法務部完全沒有反對這個修法 |
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我完全同意這個委員修法的目的那我們只是說就法務部提供這個專業給委員去著參我們也沒有 剛剛我再澄清一下我也沒有說這個是違憲因為可能司法院我從頭聽到尾啦你沒有說違憲我是說我們這一條如果結了286不給他假釋那殺人要不給他假釋 |
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三）委員 |
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三）委員 |
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這個是這樣子啦齁我們這個這個當然對我來講齁每一次新聞只要看到虐童案我連看有時候連看都不敢看齁我們我們為人為人父母的人看到這種案件大家大家都都心都非常心痛而且是真的是連新聞都不忍不忍去看看他所以 |
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社會上面會有這樣子的呼聲跟要求甚至有連署要求這個這個劣童唯一死刑的連署也通過了連署的門檻這個這個我們都都都可以理解啦齁但是畢竟立法院不是PTT啦齁我們不是在這裡這立法院不是說我們大家喊爽的每一個齁這個這個今天哪一個案子發生我們就唯一死刑再來持有持有持有這個這個兒少色情影像唯一死刑酒駕唯一死刑 |
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全然後然後就就今天修這個明天修這個他唯一死刑之後這個刑法就全部變成唯一死刑那所以所以這個這個我們也就就要來今天審查我就希望說能夠探討這個部分當然部長我我會給給市長時間的齁就是說其實我看這個我們的修法大概只有好像只有一位委員還要把把他把他修修在這個殺人 |
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殺人罪的罪責 其他其實它這個是一個傷害罪是在傷害罪的罪章裡面 對不對 這個兩百八十六條它是傷害罪的罪章裡面 所以我們整個修法剛才市長在法案說明的時候提到你要整體的去做這個法役侵害輕重的這個橫平 這個很重要啦 這個很重要 這部分就請給市長時間感謝 非常感謝委員給我這個機會 |
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我會站在這個位置我們跟主席一樣主席在這不久之前還是以我們的簡作各位委員很可能在之前也不是剩下來就是立法委員我個人很可能在這裡的時間也不會很久所以我要跟各位委員報告就是說法律定出去大家不會管說那是檢察官或是法務部或是司法院有什麼意見他都會說這是立法委員定的 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案． |
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條文修正草案案 案 條文修正草案 案 條文修正草案 |
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你不要說找到一些社會上大家都有共識說這個行為大家都不能接受然後突然把它弄成說這個比殺人還重市長現在我剛剛跟市長在探討的就是這樣子刑法裡面它不是單獨這一條法條嘛它是各個法條有不同的刑害不同的法律然後有要衡量它的這個對社會危害對法律侵害的輕重你不能說對這個法律侵害重的結果它的刑度比較輕 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員 |
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最嚴重最嚴重也是你剛剛講的說丟臉而已的但是其實這個我們更擔心的不是丟臉不丟臉或是說這個法律不平衡的問題我們更擔心的是說因為這個立法導致犯罪行為的惡化這個會更嚴重例如說你說你說虐童傷害致死唯一實行假設這樣子定那未來我未來如果有虐童人小孩子受傷了要 |
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刑法第二十七條條文修正草案．一）委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一）委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一．委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一．委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一．委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一．委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一．委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一．委員刑法第二十九條條文修正草案．一．委員刑法第二十九條條 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案� |
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那因為我們今天很可能今天我們在討論這實際立法我看很多委員都希望今天就要處理那我現在因為時間到了所以我就但我更還有一個在技術上面我們每一個委員的立法有的18歲有的6歲有7歲有3歲 |
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這個年齡的標準限制他必須要有一個理由18歲是有一個法律理由你不是不能改所以剛剛我們司法院的我們副座一直講尊重大院的不是不能改大院可以改六歲可以改五歲為什麼行之有年的七歲你不用 |
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七歲就是一個意識能力行為能力的一個界限你不用你要改六歲你是不是不能改你的根據在哪裡把他理由寫清楚我們不是不同意就是說我需要知道說突然行之有人的這樣的一個體制你要改它可以啊所以這個部分等一下我們真的進入逐條大家在討論的時候我們希望法務部能夠在這個部分能夠講清楚我們法務部的立場跟看法啦好謝謝謝謝委員好謝謝 |
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接下來我們請羅志強委員發言主席請法務部司法院衛福部請法務部司法院衛福部謝謝 |
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刑法第七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 |
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等於是給法官有一個裁量的空間我覺得這個建議就很好將來在修法的時候我覺得這個是可以考慮進去另外你也有講說現在刑法沒有所謂的對未滿六歲之人犯特定罪名加重或減輕的處罰規定一般就是指所謂的無行為能力限制行為能力做區分標準七歲這個我覺得也是可以參裁 |
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但是我還是跟市長提醒一下也就不用特別談說今天立法委員立法如何如何因為實際上立法委員反映民意在修法過程當中當然是跟行政部門通力合作嘛 對不對如果大方向上他實際上是民意之所趨而且事實上您剛剛也講這跟也沒有什麼違憲不違憲的問題 對不對所以換言之我覺得今天來這邊審查法案實際上我覺得法務部 |
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法律條文修正草案案 。 |
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其實你看到虐童案你看到創意私房對於所謂的額紹的這個影片所引發的性剝削的連鎖反應我自己看了非常心痛我也必須講說這些年一方面可能也跟我們現在的資訊科技各項的發達有關所以犯罪的太陽也不斷的在改變 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
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二）委員二十萬八千四百四十人。去年新生兒人數多少?十三萬五千五百七十一人。這個疊的比率從二十萬掉到十三萬,你會不會覺得觸目驚心?對啊,可是你會發現,今天我們的少子化這麼嚴重, |
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其實除了說父母親負擔以外跟現在我們的整個社會對於兒少的環境我不想用地獄兩個字來形容但是真的是很不友善啦那這個就是我們今天整個政府部門在過去這些年來我發現我們的兒少的環境真的是急劇的惡化我舉幾個例子家庭暴力的事件通報件數2016年是 |
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二〇一六年是十一萬七千件二〇二三年就變成十六萬八千件然後我們受虐的兒少人數二〇二三年也成長到了一萬兩千三百七十三人我問一下我們的次長請問 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
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第二,平均每萬位18歲以下而少的保護案件受虐人數2016年是每萬位有23.56人增加到2022年是從23人左右增加成34人,漲幅是1.46倍 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中 |
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六年性侵害的被害人從2016年的78人到2023年變成374人快要五倍耶然後到14歲兒童自殺率2015年到2022年每10萬人0.5人 |
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增加為1.6人暴增三倍15到19歲從2.8人增加到5.4人暴增兩倍而少年犯罪人口這些我都講我們今天兒少的那個處境之惡化跟惡劣我不知道部長你會聽起來覺得觸目驚心啊當然對啊我真的是覺得 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案（事由．立法院第11會期司法及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第12會期司法及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第12會期司法及法制委員會等19 |
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2016年的一千六百三十一人增加為2022年的兩千一百七十一人 漲幅一點三三倍乍欺嫌疑犯從2016年的九百五十三人增加為2023年的兩千一百九十三人 漲幅二點三倍我把這些嚴重的數字提出來 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國� |
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市長你覺得八年過去了我們的這個網到底是越補越強韌還是越補越大動啊跟委員報告我來了快七年半沒有一天沒有涉及到社會安全防護網這裡面包括經帳殺人 |
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那我們敬佩委員這些事情是我們所有從政者大概是最重要的一個焦點我們如果能夠把重心放在這裡除了該立的該修的法立修以外該執行的機關不立這些東西都要言語究舉所以土法不足以自行我認為原來的法立在經過多次的研修以後事實上 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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我希望未來新的政府上來之後我不知道次長會不會繼續再幫新的政府來服務那都希望能夠把兒少的處遇環境的惡化放在心上謝謝委員接下來我們請謝榮介委員發言 |
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同時我先做宣告今天委員提出臨時提案所以依據往例我們依據在上午11點的時候處理那如果到時候有委員正在詢答則請該委員詢答完畢之後就立刻處理臨時提案主席我請處長及副秘書長好請次長跟副秘書長 |
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創出長 委員好你好 辛苦啊人家說地亂石要用黨電照理說民主社會到現在這麼多年是不應該還有這種思維可是社會高也好 學校高也好 家庭高也好 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議 |
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造成污染的化臉,民心洪洪。我們的國家現在的消費法是有夠嚴重的,相信你們在這個國安單位你們參加會議那些,這已經是變成國安的問題了。年輕人得手就是怎樣?加戀愛,不加結婚,加結婚不加生子,加生子死不去。 |
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所以變成一年裁判一年招攬,這是一個事實啊。人就在想辦法,孩子越生越小,可是我們若沒有用法律來對他做到保護,再讓他做成這個搶害之後,這對我們國家的所謂國安的問題當然未來的越來越嚴重。 |
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所以我覺得加重起刑或是在刑罪加重,相信不但在林鄉社會也在林鄉但是本來19年才修而已呢19年才修而已,為什麼現在要再修法?是不是表示我們在法律的執行,剛才你有說到在法律的執行的過程中 |
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尤其法務部門您的究竟到司法單位您的判刑是不是有出問題了?首先這些人無窮期嘛我就看到孩子 以前你看領地 地勢 那是大型的結果現在在不發生事情的孩子 |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文 |
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其實我相信你不會有意見,不論是在你提供的專業,比如說7月6月、3月、12月、18月。這7月是有原因的,因為我們的國家是經濟義務教育,7月你來好好討債,有人在你領地的時候,董財機關或是老師、輔導的過程中會發覺,所以7月的意義是沒有的。 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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5739.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].end |
5743.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[155].text |
刑法第十八條條文修正草案案．施行．施行．施行．施行．施行 |
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你知不知法務部派什麼人去代表出席這個會議?司長 檢察書的司長 郭司長準備好了嗎?準備好了有信心嗎?有信心 |
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我信心,我跟委員報告齁,那不是台灣要做的工作啦,要施行不施行可以討論,但是要立法行政,這機關大家有共識,那立法機關是最貼近民意的,如果真正要實行,我們立法,立法院來弄,不用司法院來弄因為呢,因為不斷說我們國家已經簽署零款兩公約啦齁 |
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啊 既然你這樣說 台法官在針對我的解釋裡面說是無機奪行 假釋處理 齁 但再反的時候 不能一次過再關二十五檔 應該關五檔 四十檔 十檔 四十五檔 都在針對他心想八十分以立法的款式 你覺得他有這個嫌疑嗎?那個 我不得替你們講話啦齁 我跟你們講這個考慮啦 |
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全台灣百姓的民意現在又是反對嘛 百姓一雙的民意反對嘛 你要頂接全世界 我們說我們要看全世界對私刑的看法及他們的世界上的做法 整個國家要處理私刑的 都是大家經過有共識的處理啦所以說 我不保一般的去辯論有信心 這樣你對台法官最好的裁定會有信心嗎 |
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議員黃健豪等20人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第12屆議員黃健豪等20人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．立法院第11屆第12屆議員黃健豪等20人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．立法院第12屆議員黃健豪等20人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．立法院第12屆議員黃健豪等20人擬具:「中華民國刑法 |
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二）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 案 判斷判斷判斷判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断判断 |
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委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．委員 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案． |
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二）委員黃健豪等20人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖� |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆第12屆 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員 |
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一﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗二﹗ |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具 «中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 案。 |
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二）委員徐巧偉翔等19人擬具 «中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案》案。 |
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三位好 次長還有另外列席的官員我想來先請教就今天國民黨所提出的這個黨版來就教各位就是說這次的修法裡面就最主要是主張修正刑法第286條那劃定對未滿六歲的人去施以凌虐 |
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從本刑六個月以上五年以下現在要把它增加啦增加到七年以上的徒刑那對這個凌虐致死處死刑跟無期徒刑至重傷者處無期徒刑跟十年以上簡單講啦就是說對六歲以下虐童就妨礙身心的健康發育致人於死跟重傷都加重加重這是社會上就 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案（事由．併案審查�� |
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所以不是法定刑不夠只是因為執法的沒有符合民意那這樣的你去加重刑刑加重到死刑死刑不敢判這個也沒有意義嘛所以我的意思說第一個要增加如果確實有因為刑度不夠讓法官判不下去那麼我當然認為一定要所以次長你就講到重點啦我相信司法院這個地方啊 |
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二）委員 |
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虐童致死為什麼叫做虐童致死我的目的本來就是為了虐童我不是要你死啊那前面大家都知道法律委員說前面叫做故意後面這個行為叫做過失那你把他刑度拉到等同就是跟殺人一樣那虐童跟殺童就同樣的意思了那如果虐童致死你把他拉到死刑那殺童你要把他出幾次死刑 |
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這是法律的一個基本原則但是在這個社會氛圍底下各位你們可能跟我一樣都是少數我們擔心的就是這個我們擔心的就是這個那所以簡單來講的話就是說我很怕我們刑法體系裡面把故意我們有設計故意跟過失那我們變成說我們這個刑度因應這個版本你把它的人數國民黨比較多了呼這樣過去了 |
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以後這個罪章裡面就不用去分估一根過失了拉到跟殺人罪一模一樣的罪責這樣的一個設計是不是可以是不是可以認同這個都可以來做討論啊我知道立法院裡面很多人都提出這樣的一個版本但這種明確的一個立法大家都怕得罪人大家都要聲量要討好可是這個問題啊當然要解決 |
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國民黨今天的版本他畢竟也是要解決說這種情況你不把他加重你怎麼辦就是想辦法 國民黨不想說啊不然刑責都來把他拉高我相信國民黨為了今天提案的委員起心動念是為了這個 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．委員廖� |
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我就覺得很怪的一個地方2012年我們曾經去修法那當年是高達35歲幼童通報到各縣市政府的社會局的額內的一個案件那當然也高達三萬五千多件所以當年立法也啟動修法把過去的林內幼童的必須出現妨害身體自然發展的結果才可以成立犯罪的舉證太困難 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．一）委員廖 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委 |
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這就是最輕本刑本來是六個月沒有辦法一顆罰金那本席對該次的一個修法我是贊同只要道理講得通其實我們我相信社會也會支持這是溝通的一個問題你說對虐童這個這個泯滅人性的當然垃圾當然要受到很大的一個處罰可是是不是我們也去看看別的國家是怎麼弄 |
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別的國家這個部分的話你像比如說以德國來看的話他們的德國刑法第225條他們就不是像我們今天要修法的版本這樣看喔他們是把變成說你把它做一個區分所以你受行為人照顧或者保護者或者說為行為員所屬的家庭成員或者行為人是承擔照顧義務者或者是你因為職務或關係而服從行為人者是在講這一些啊 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12屆第13屆第14屆 |
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二）委員趙委員的意見提醒各位委員可以斟酌一下這個罪行相當跟比例原則啦那將來跟其他這個相當更可能罪質更重的罪之間的均衡性我每次堅信小委員會務部保護師副市長有請教你就是對本院這一次這樣的一個現在在修法的你們認為把真的把它這樣一拉高以後這部分都會降低嗎 |
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應該說這個額虐成因是很複雜那我們通常都會講說我們全民的這個對於額虐零容忍的這個教育是要普遍的有這個意識額虐的案件才有機會被通報出來那再來就是我們要及早的做介入跟做保護那至於有關這個刑度的部分因為這是涉及比較這個法務部這邊司法院這邊的權責那我們是尊重 |
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這個刑法的一個目的,你說它當然有預防犯罪的一個功能啊,可是你說刑法把它拉到很高,這是不是就可以遏止一個最適當的一個手段。社會上現在是聚焦在虐童,如果哪一天是虐那種90歲以上的,虐母,虐父,虐爺爺,虐奶奶,那我們又要提供一部法令。 |
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內代阿公、內代阿祖更不肖,那不是要更重?所以我也覺得好奇怪我們一直在講說限制行為能力人從七歲以上 |
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條文修正草案案 案件中﹖立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及 |
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等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案 案 等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案 案 等19人� |
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第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文� |
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6768.892 |
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條文修正草案（事由．併案審查�� |
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6796.974 |
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6821.029 |
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好謝謝那我們下一位請林思明委員發言先請次長次長麻煩蔡市長蔡市長 |
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徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 案徹徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案徹徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案徹徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案徹徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案徹徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案徐 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．刑法第二百八十六條條文 |
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6905.299 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二屆刑法第二 |
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6920.511 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案． |
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十年以上有期徒刑。那麼因為凌虐至重傷五年以上十二年以下凌虐至死的話就是無期徒刑或者是十二年以上的有期徒刑那我跟委員報告今天發生一個具體的案件他凌虐他了至重傷他就可以釀足到依照他的情節可以釀足到十二年 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案． |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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7025.879 |
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7026.119 |
| transcript.whisperx[206].text |
二）委員黃健豪 |
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7046.313 |
| transcript.whisperx[207].text |
三）委員黃健豪等19人擬具 |
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7071.94 |
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7097.939 |
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跟委員報告那當然286條現在是針對18歲以下那18歲以下有3歲也有17歲那麼跟他委員講說這中間應該要去一些區隔嘛那斟酌他的那個有沒有抵抗的能力他的支持度到哪裡去做一些區隔我相信這個刑事政策應該都是大人的職權我們司法委員大概不會有意見而且區別的比較精明一點的話法官將來在裁的時候也會更有一些遵循 |
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| transcript.whisperx[209].text |
三）委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[210].text |
條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第17屆第18條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第17屆第18條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第17屆第18條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第17屆第18條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第17屆第18條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第17屆第18條條文修正草 |
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有本部有做統計是起訴幾件我們這個以這個我們從108年開始那時候的話是起訴了一個6件109是15件110是28件111年是39件112年是38件113年1到2月是17件是 |
| transcript.whisperx[212].start |
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7191.011 |
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統計全部多少?總共5年合計統計5年114件 判決有罪的部分量刑的情形分為報告 |
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一﹐一百零八年以來有四十八人確定。四十八。一件無罪。所以起訴大部分還是被判有罪?幾乎。那民進黨的數據一樣嗎?就是你手上數據是假官起訴之後被判有罪的有多少? |
| transcript.whisperx[214].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[214].end |
7249.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[214].text |
三）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[215].end |
7266.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[215].text |
三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案案件 被起訴。」 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].start |
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7315.126 |
| transcript.whisperx[217].text |
條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會議等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會議等19人擬具 «中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會議等19人擬具 |
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7326.231 |
| transcript.whisperx[218].text |
條文修正草案案例 |
| transcript.whisperx[219].start |
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我們教育部有銷案通報的統計不是我說對法院司法判決還有檢察官起訴的案件有多少你們有沒有做過統計這類行政戀兒事件到底發生了幾件被判決幾件你們教育部難道不用統計嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].start |
7362.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].end |
7378.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[220].text |
委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].start |
7381.505 |
| transcript.whisperx[221].end |
7407.172 |
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委員那個您對校園安全防治這工作像這種統計數字你不用去查嗎你不用去了解嗎你如何去去了解說現在發生社會上發生這麼多孽兒事件孽童事件這些數據你不用去調查嗎發生的時候我們會接獲教安通報但最後的統計你要去做啊否則你如何去建置這些社會安全網呢 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].start |
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7408.974 |
| transcript.whisperx[222].text |
三）委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].start |
7413.148 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].end |
7417.431 |
| transcript.whisperx[223].text |
三）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案．委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].start |
7443.368 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].end |
7446.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[224].text |
條文修正草案案案件 。 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].start |
7472.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].end |
7475.04 |
| transcript.whisperx[225].text |
事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13屆議員委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].start |
7480.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].end |
7507.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[226].text |
辛苦了今天在額略的案件重刑化要加重刑責是不是萬靈丹是不是唯一的解方那今天一早很多委員都表達意見我稍後也會就教於次長那我先要針對我們上週國會非常遺憾發生了首例的投票舞弊事件就法律論法律我想要跟次長進行一下探討好下一頁 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[227].end |
7537.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[227].text |
上週四月十二號無論如何在中華民國國會的歷史上是記上一筆而且非常遺憾是負面的案例在針對反年金改革法案的復議案表決時史上第一次有立委人不在台灣不在立法院人甚至是隔海在中國但是卻被隔海投票了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[228].text |
所以這位委員他未出席未簽到卻有表決記錄在這裡我要清楚說明一下在立法院投票有三關第一關就是立委本人要出席簽到第二關議事人員和對立委的本人身份在現場座位上為您插上表決卡 |
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7593.297 |
| transcript.whisperx[229].text |
第三關就是立委本人按鈕就投票的意志來為之進行按鈕的表決當然我們也不否認過去國會確實都有陋習不分藍綠還包括時代力量大家都確實發聲過委員在場但是稍稍離席所以隔壁座的委員代為按鈕這是過去立法委員確實都發聲的包括本席 |
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7620.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[230].text |
所以我也深自檢討我們在第十屆以後更為嚴格的來進行國會各政黨的自我要求所以現在的代案事件已經相對非常少但是這一次的事件發生是人不在場沒有簽到竟然有表決卡所以這是不可同日而遇的所以它就涉及了法律上的認定下一頁 |
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7624.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[231].text |
那韓國瑜院長也已經經過初步的調查那誰背鍋呢?議事人員來背鍋當天委員不在場沒牽到但是表決卡卻發出去了而且插入了表決 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].start |
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7655.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[232].text |
條文修正草案．一）立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[233].end |
7663.56 |
| transcript.whisperx[233].text |
二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].start |
7676.379 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].end |
7698.457 |
| transcript.whisperx[234].text |
誰代案的這個立法委員這個重要的關係者是誰不知道我說如果把這樣一個違法的行為到法院到地檢署或到法院去的時候一定是相關當事人都要被叫去問包括議事人員涉及的議事人員包括涉及的立委嘛對不對次長 |
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所以說這個有調查但是這個結構沒辦法來改觀您個人來看這樣初步的調查結果對於當事人涉案者是不是很清楚了少了一塊就是那個按鈕的立委是誰就一個辦案的經驗上各位跟委員報告立法院對於如果有涉及到刑責的這樣的案件 |
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立法院自己內部當然可以做刑事調查但是如果有涉及到刑事責任這個偵查機關就要來偵查這個代案投票按鈕假設現在已經在偵查的程序了當事人在這個事件上除了議事人員還會有誰? |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 «中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案》案。 |
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我當然不會為難您就立委國會自治的範疇但是就法律來論法律我們刑法的第15章偽造文書應文罪裡頭第220條我想問您這樣一個表決卡代為刑事被插卡被投票 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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條文修正草案（事由（立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由（立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法 |
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這個案件如果將來調查結果他還可能涉及到刑法第二一零的偽造文書罪。好下一頁謝謝就是在這裏刑法二一零的偽造變造公文書罪。至於委員所講到說個案中是不是成立兩百一十四條使公務員登載不實罪嫌這要看記錄投票結果的公務員 |
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有無審查權,也就是說你按了以後他有沒有去審查投票人員的身份跟投票情形的義務依照具體的事證來判斷。 |
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謝謝次長的說明所以依刑法不管是214條或211條或是剛剛所適用的前提220條的準公文書的認定的範疇這種當然現在還在調查中不在場被投票的行為就是在刑法偽造文書是不是構成使公務員登載不實是不是構成討論的法律的援引適用是沒有問題的好那下一頁 |
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如果以一般的公民在投票一席,任何一個對公職人員、對公投的投票,適用的法、法、事、刑法一百四十六條跟一百四十七條,妨礙投票,發生不正確的結果或變造投票之結果,或者是妨礙或擾亂投票者, |
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我把這個法律拿出來對應其實我當然不是說國會因為國會不適用這一個部分國會是國會自治的投票行為但是現在以一般的投票在公民的投票上他會援引的他會妨礙的是刑法146 147條的這個結果所以這說明了什麼 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院廖 |
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那下一頁國會自治我們當然用內規來優先處理立法院的行為法裡頭立法委員行為法的第七條跟第九條脅迫他人為議事之作為或不作為以及第九款對依法行使職權議事人員做不當之要求或干擾 |
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就這個案子除了懲處被認定初步認定有疏失的意識人員之外立法院也應當啟動紀律委員會來查明立委是不是有涉案的責任這個是立法院的內規法非常的清楚這就不是您可以過問的層級那最後一頁下一頁 |
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現在國會改革民主進步黨針對立法委員行為法就加重了完備了更為嚴謹了對於立委的自律的規範民主進步黨提出立法委員行為法第30條 |
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第一項的修正。如果經立法院紀律委員會調查審議做成處分之建議提報院會決定,立法委員的院會合意認為要告發就有涉及刑事責任者可以經院會來移送該管檢察機關依法辦理。 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
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只有這樣才可以讓我們涉及刑事責任的可以有自己的法規直接來告罰這就會適用在上週五的冒名投票的行為如果立法院的紀律沒有辦法清楚的調查那就一道檢調檢查機關司法機關去傳喚相關的證人也好 |
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三）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二十七條條文修正草案．立法委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二十七條條文修正草案．立法委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二十七條條文修正草案．立法委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二十七條條文修正草案．立法委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二十七條條文修正草案．立法委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二十七條條文修正 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會 |
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好謝謝主席我們請法務部蔡市長跟我們衛福部的郭副市長蔡市長郭市長好欸 |
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首先我想針對衛福部的部分那因為今天我們要審查的這個刑法當中有關這個兒少凌虐的相關條文那在過去這一段時間我們也都從新聞媒體上都能看到重大的這些兒虐事件層出不窮那有些孩子因此身心受創那更有些孩子是來不及長大了那在近五年內 |
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就有一百零三個孩子遭到受虐致死 |
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那本席對於這些孩子的遭遇我們感到非常的痛心從衛福部所提供的這個資料來看近幾年這個兒少受虐的人數居高不下每年都在一萬人以上那在衛福部的這個書面報告中也有寫到人數會逐年增加是因為我們衛福部所推動的強化社會安全網的計畫而積極的這種發掘潛在案件 |
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並落實通報所導致的數據逐年上升。」那我想我們社會安全網當然是要積極的推動但不應該作為人數增加的一個主因是不是請教我們衛福部除了因為這個積極通報所增加的案件那還有什麼樣的原因會導致遭受虐的人數居高不下 |
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三（委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第12個委員我們去看了這些通報的案件其實最大多數都是因為父母親缺乏親子的教育職能那第二個原因是那個夫妻之間可能有一些親密關係的失調所以會對孩子來施虐那還有一些原因可能是經濟的因素或者是這個施虐者有一些酗酒或藥物濫用或者是有一些精神方面的一些疾病等等大概是有這些問題 |
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所以原因是非常非常多元跟複雜的那我們就這些問題有沒有辦法再去把這個人數向下壓有沒有可能 |
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就如同委員所說我們希望這個對兒女是零容忍的所以不只是身體上的傷害不只是凌虐包括對於一些兒少的這個精神的暴力我們都認為這都屬於兒少保護的一環所以我們希望能夠把這一個向前延伸就服務向前延伸 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會 |
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我們就這個刑法第286條在這個五年前就是2019年曾經修法過那當時的修正不只是擴大適用的對象也設立了最低的六個月有期徒刑對於致死人與死的也有這個另有刑責那相信在這個前次的修法當時也是希望能夠透過加重刑責來嚇阻犯罪但是經過了這五年 |
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是不是嚇阻的效果不如預期那我想請問就我們衛福部的角度來看在家重刑者能否有效來減少惡虐的事件 |
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條文修正草案．一．二．二十九條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條條文修正草案．一．二十九條條條文修正� |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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二）委員翔等19人擬具 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第14屆第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案� |
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接下來我想請教我們蔡次長我們看到在審查的這個草案幾乎都是針對刑責加重那我想這是直觀也是利益良善可能也是我們社會所期待的一個方向那對於這些凌虐兒童的這個案件我們希望透過更嚴謹的這個法律來嚇阻犯罪的這個發生也積極來保護我們這些兒童跟少年 |
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不過在這裡我想先就一件事情來做一個討論就是即便我們法條定的重法官也不一定判的重也就是說沒有多少的案件能夠判到最高的刑責我想請教我們次長刑法第286條在2019年修法過後我們凌虐的這個虐童的案件最重判多久 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆 |
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條文修正草案案．司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12屆刑法第12 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案． |
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所以量刑的基準一定要從中間也就是五年以上十二年以下你不可以再判五年你最起碼要看八年九年最起碼所以如果是這樣的話就不饒我們立法院他每次在為了這個事情要一再的不斷的加重所以徒法不足以自省那麼聶宇同剛剛衛和部也講到了看到大多數的案件都是因為錯案發生的 |
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父母親內同不是自己認為不愛他去領悅他一些情侶不是因為不愛他去領悅他是錯愛 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條及第二百七 |
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條文修正草案．一）委員 |
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好,我想這個問題所在法官在判決的部分應該是要嚴守這個法律但這個判決的結果不一定能符合社會期待那也會導致這個民眾對司法的不信任所以剛剛那個次長您大概回覆這些我也希望說我們法務部應該對這個問題應該是要這個嚴加把關希望能夠讓我們這些被虐待的孩童還有我們相關的案件能夠有一個比較 |
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兩位不符合委員比如說各位我們民意所需的我們檢察官幾乎都上訴但是量刑這個把持在法官的手上我認為法官的量刑如果能夠真正從法定刑的中間往上往下調我相信可以解決大半的問題謝謝 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期 |
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二）委員好,今天秘書長請假是嗎?是,跟委員報告,是,秘書長請假。那個,有期待在希望以後這種社會矚目而且非常重大的法院在討論的時候,希望秘書長能夠出席,好不好?是,是,是,我們盡量,謝謝。副秘書長,我想我們今天, |
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對兒少女兒案的集體討論還有修法相關的這些討論我想最重要的只要事情發生在法務部的檢察署勢必會起訴但是這起訴以後法院的在法官的自由行政裡面 |
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到底把虐而暗當作什麼樣的情況來看待?我現在必須要特別強調一個孩子的成長只有一次當時他所受到的環境是如此的暴力相向未來他的個性成長以後認為這就是理所當然 |
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每一個受虐的兒童尤其在就讀國小以下因為國小是義務教育這個0到6歲的孩子他是無處生願也沒有人知道他對家庭暴力遭受這樣的一個傷害還沒有人知道甚至啊受虐至死到這麼樣的一個嚴重的情況為什麼我們的法院 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第十七條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制 |
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如果說檢察官他的稅理夠強,稅理夠強,舉證夠強,那上級審爭奪這些情形,他會做一個什麼?副局長,今天你們都法務部開戰了是不是?跟柯委員把我們不敢跟法務部開戰,但是因為具體的案情我不是柯委員,我是副委員,那個不要緊張,本席要再次強調 |
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今天最後衡量的那把尺還是在法官手上所以本席不是來苛責司法院這是確確實實司法院不服人民的期待所以我們要用什麼樣的層面讓司法院的法官把尺度能夠更接近社會大家共同的想法 |
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我們不希望再有恐龍法官我們要趨近於現世社會當中所有的民間的氛圍本席在這裡跟你商量一下我們的社會安全網真的破而且破得非常非常的嚴重今天如果司法有嚇阻力有這麼多案件不斷的發生不斷的快速的成長 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第14會期司法及法制委員會第15會期司法及法制委員會第16會期司法及法制委員會第17會期司法及法制委員會第18會期司法及法制委員會第18會期司法及法制委員會第18會期司法及法制委員會第19會期司法及法制委員會第19會期司法及法制委員會第20會期司法及法制委員會第21會期司法及法制委員會第22會期司法及法制委員會第22會期司法及法制委員會第23會期司法及法制委員會第23會期司法及法制委員會第24會期司 |
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但是我們的法律真的有問題再看我們的兒童跟青少年遭到性剝削喔這麼嚴重的事情性剝削2017年才1060件到2023年去年上半年就1500多件不要說再加上下半年這個成長是300%為什麼法律沒有辦法來嚇阻這些 |
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還在認為他可以逃避法律的制裁來對這些孩童用這麼粗暴殘忍的方式來對待是我們的法院生病還是我們的法律真的是不髒我們再看直接對幼童我們講到就直接的性侵案2016年 |
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只有78人到2023年去年離374人請問這又是幾倍啊不要規則在法院現在的檢察官只要看到這種案件他不敢不起訴也不敢吃案可以吃別種案這種案他不敢吃政治的案件會吃案經常看到吃案但是 |
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這種性侵誘惑的案他們絕對不敢吃案但是到了法院法院的天平到底在哪裡你看這種成長率請問一下司法院沒有失職嗎從78人短短幾年成長到374人還有沒有爆發的還有多少件還不曉得 |
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副秘書長有什麼想法? |
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對其實希望你把今天委員會的發言帶回去司法院跟所有的法官要有一個基本的一個共識一個孩子的成長只有一次他被這樣的虐待甚至小小的生命變成責任的天使我們何其痛苦看到社會發生這樣的情況我們看看 |
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一百零八年才修完法加重完全沒有用持續的發生案件不斷的在增加剛剛副院長講到一句話是蠻對的我們的社會生病了因為我們的教育出了問題今天為什麼教育做成這個樣子但是不要忘記了法律跟司法院是我們最後一道防線 |
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去彌補教育的失敗。」所以啊本席在這裡再一次啊對副秘書長我們不能再看到這樣的案情再發生希望透過這次的修法能夠讓社會這樣的暴力事件能夠降下來凌虐至死不來就是殺人案 |
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本來就是殺人案所以在這裡希望今天秘書長沒有來但是我們更期待副院長回去溝通跟院長、副院長溝通是不是我們司法院能夠這一方面真正有一個他們肩膀上的責任該擔的要擔 |
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9325.865 |
| transcript.whisperx[304].text |
條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具 |
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臨時提案一律,要求司法院研擬是否比照兒童及少年性剝削防制條例第11條關於案件證人等得准用證人保護法之部分規範,包括經到場作證有受保護必要之立法意旨,將相關兒少參與司法程序加移民文化,包括落實於審理細則上之可行性,並於一個月內提供報告。提案人委員吳宗憲、翁曉琳、朱坤祺 |
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臨時提案二略以要求法務部於一個月內檢討預防作為並提出報告內容應含有一近三年刑法第兩百八十六條之統計數據包括受理件數通報來源被害人人分部起訴率定罪率二事務上刑法第兩百八十六條第一項適用率偏低之原因包括分析條文構成要件足以妨礙身心健全或發育之適用正義以及醫療實證單位是否手忍該條適用之情況三 |
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各地檢附幼兒護執行小組針對預防兒少術虐之具體改進機制包括醫療設定通報端必須了解該條署公訴罪以及如何降低高風險族群之災犯機率。提案人委員吳宗憲、翁曉琳、傅坤祺宣讀完畢。 |
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以上兩案是本期所提案那我這邊沒有補充那請問機關就這個部分有沒有需要說明或有意見要表達謝謝主席主席 |
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對於主席的臨時提案只有一個要求就是這個要求保護部一個月內可不可以寬容我們到兩個月來檢討一行作為那麼再者有關這個提出報告的內容第一點就是那個包括受理件數通報來源的通報可不可以修正成為案件來源 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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9480.052 |
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法定人數不足 |
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9495.288 |
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9511.812 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第11� |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會議．立法院第13次全體委員會議．立法院第14次全體委員會議 |
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刑法第十四條條文修正草案案。 |
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三）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會等19人擬具 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。 |
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條文修正草案案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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第二案請問有無機關要做說明?同樣的就是請主席能夠寬容到兩個月內來檢討議員的作為並提出報告那麼這個內容應該含有第一點 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
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所以我們希望這個委員能夠量查那第二點有關以及醫療設政單位是否所忍該條適用之情況這無關本部的業務請建請委員能夠這部能夠刪除那麼第三點有關同樣的 |
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包括醫療社政通報端必須了解該條屬公訴罪,這個部分我們也認為不屬本部的業務,建請刪除。以上,謝謝。 |
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第一個是基本上法務部希望多一個月這樣的建議我覺得沒有關係啦理由是說反正到時候新的部長他們要到新的部長來報告我覺得從責任政治的觀點並不是壞事 |
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但我剛剛比較驚訝的事情是聽到市長說被害人的年齡分布這件事情法務部沒有背叛這是不可能的在每一個起訴書當中被害人的年紀一定是要斟酌的如果今天你講的是你們的統計處一開始的時候沒有統計這個數字你的說法一定是正確的 |
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你們不可能沒有這個data今天召委之所以要求你們去把這個數字撈出來就是要讓社會大眾理解被害人年齡的分佈啊檢察官在起訴的時候對於被害人的年齡沒有掌握特別是在額哨案件我只能說書難想像絕對不可能請你們認真一點不要自己本來的統計沒有做就認為不是重要的數據 |
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起訴書裏面相關的卷證一定有把數字撈出來這才是負責任的做法我們同意黃委員因為我們在之前就曾經我有要求過在主持會議的時候叫統計單位這一項數據要列出來因為在很多政策上都必須要參酬這樣的數據所以這個我們完全同意 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條及第二百七 |
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二）委員 |
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第二點跟第三點醫療設證單位是否熟悉條文的適用以及是否屬於非告訴奶論之罪為什麼會把這個放在二三點主要是因為這個小組的成員之一就是法務部所以法務部是成員之一 |
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三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第4會期司法及法制委員會第5會期司法及法制委員會第6會期司法及法制委員會第7會期司法及法制委員會第8會期司法及法制委員會第9會期司法及法制委員會第10會期司法及法制委員會第11會期司法及法制委員會第11會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第13會期司法及法制委員會第13會期司法及法制委 |
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三）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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我們修正的部分就是第一個我們是要求法務部原本是一個月內那現在改為兩個月內那是以今天起算第二個就是順應剛剛次長的要求我們把通報來源改為案件來源那其餘的文字就沒有改變請問各位有沒有其他意見要補充 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案。 |
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二）委員 麻煩有請法務部的次長以及司法院的副秘書長行事廳的副廳長或者是今天所來的行事廳的法官如果有必要的話隨時上來協助因為今天接下來我們要討論的是行事法專業度非常高的問題 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 |
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謝謝主席行司司法下面的兒少保護是一個非常重要的問題但我今天破題我先講一件事請對面法務部的次長跟司法院的同仁大家不要見怪我講話比較直你們今天加上來的書面報告完全不及格我為什麼說你們今天加上來的書面報告完全不及格因為 |
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在刑事司法的適用上涉及到的是非常專業的刑事法律的適用 |
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是要法制委員會的委員沒有那麼多時間去看法院的判決去看實際操作的結果牽涉到兒少保護這麼重大的事件我期待的是法律人就應該要把該處理的事情講清楚而你們的報告沒有做到這一點為什麼我會這樣講我們接著今天討論的問題我先破題點一件事情 |
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當社會上都在關注法定期有沒有提高的時候真正更該檢討的是我們實際上面實踐的結果所謂實踐的結果是說法院的判刑最後怎麼判的判完了以後最後關了多久 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
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虐待三歲的小女孩虐待三歲的小女孩有七大酷刑樣樣來從拔指甲淋虐燒他結果我們的法院判出來的對兒童故意犯傷害罪致死判13年6個月這個是在2017年5月10號判刑確定的結果2023年12月7號法務部矯正組核准假釋來次長關了多久 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13屆第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第18條條文修正草案．立法院第19條條文修正草案．立法院第20條條文修正草案．立法院第21條條文修正草案．立法院第22條條文修正草案．立法院第23條條文修正草案．立法院第24條條文修正草案．立法院第25條條文修正草案．立 |
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怎麼檢討一個禮拜之內給報告可以嗎可以太離譜了啦接下來我們繼續看我直接問請教次長被告餵食甲酮毒品餵他吃毒品致死觸犯什麼罪 |
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刑法第二百七十七條第二項前段故意傷害兒童致死刑法第二項前段故意傷害兒童致死刑法第二項前段故意傷害兒童致死 |
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因為這個是一個行為齁那麼出犯了兩個罪名啦齁那麼這個有可能是想像競合但是對於這一項這個罪質啊那麼兩個規定的都含設在裡面所以也有可能是法規競合那所以是想像競合還是法條競合有可能看具體案件齁他們怎麼樣去判決具體案件我講得很清楚啊 |
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今天我成年人就是餵一個小朋友餵他吃毒品死了然後同時構成286第三項跟277第二項前端是想像競合還是法條競合你會用想像競合來請司法院副秘書長是想像競合還是法條競合 |
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那個當然看那個傷害那個凌虐兒童罪的這個不法內涵是不是已經全部cover傷害兒童誓死罪的這個內涵了如果是全部cover當然就法規禁核如果沒有可能應該就想讓禁核 |
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你覺得286的不法內還有全部cover嗎277條我們是覺得應該是沒有啦你覺得應該是沒有所以是想像進而還法條進而如果沒有的話應該是想像進而應該是想像進而好從一眾處斷從哪一個條文處斷這個法官要很熟啦從一眾處斷是依照哪一個罪名處斷 |
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是李聶宥同自己錯比較重嗎?你確定嗎?最高法院的判決是這樣講的嗎?你們實際上面判決是這樣用的嗎?刑事廳的副廳長都在這邊,刑事法官也在了這個要很熟啦 |
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三）委員林烈智齒比他重來來來我不跟你耗時間我們繼續往下看事實上這個題目不是新的題目啊在我國實務上很亂所以南投地方法院就提案要高等法院召開座談會來檢討召開座談會來檢討以後到底是想像競合還是法規競合從一種處斷到底要怎麼從一種處斷這一件事情來我們接下來看 |
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10457.466 |
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最後才假說什麼是假說假說跟剛剛次長所講的答案跟巡視廳副廳長講的答案全部都不一樣我國高等法院的座談最後要採取的是什麼是法規競合不是你們剛剛所想的想像競合來戰不戰成這一個高等法院座談會的結論 |
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10465.548 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
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根委員報告了,辦座談會就是大家集思廣益去討論但是本來就不應該產生一個說有拘束力的我現在沒有跟你說我也贊成這沒有拘束力但是出現了這樣的座談會高等法院的法官大家都很忙全部都到了齊聚一堂討論到底用法規競合還是用想像競合代表這件事情在審判實務上已經造成了重大困擾 |
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| transcript.whisperx[356].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案〉案。 |
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10519.878 |
| transcript.whisperx[357].end |
10541.734 |
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因為按照實際最後運作的結果你修兩百八十六條有沒有用啊是一個超級大問號我為什麼說修兩百六十六 八十六條到底有沒有用是個超級大問號如果按照今天兩位在上面所表示的你們認為應該用想像進口處理從一種手段下一個問題 |
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哪一個罪名比較重?兩百七十七條不要忘囉你如果是對於兒少犯的話依照兒少權益保護法一百一十二條的規定要不要加重刑刑二分之一? |
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10582.619 |
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以後如果考慮到俄哨加重當然要加重嘛你有什麼時候用277條結果是對俄哨犯的不用依照112條加重不要內行人講外行話嘛所以哪一個會比你比較重加重了以後就會變成那個277條的傷害支持比較重對嘛按照你們所講的想像進合 |
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10600.437 |
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然後從於眾矚斷,結果最後我國實務上面的法律適用的會用哪一條?就兩百七十七條嘛!兩百七十七條第二項加上兒少法一百一十二條嘛!從於眾矚斷嘛!是不是把兩百八十六條給架空了?我這樣說有沒有錯? |
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請表示意見。不是我的高見啦這個是實務上面運作出來的結果就是這樣嘛所以我為什麼說你們今天交到立法院司法法制委員會的報告根本不及格 |
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你要告訴全體的委員啊我國實務上面操作適用的結果是這個樣子啊如果我們今天要全面的提升對兒少的保護的話我們要去看喔加重是怎麼加重所謂加重是怎麼加重來請教兩位兩百七十七條第二項故意對 |
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而同犯傷害罪致死加重期刑二分之一以後他的刑度法官在量刑的空間在哪裡請說明無期徒刑不得加重嗎這個沒有問題嘛有期徒刑是七年以上有期徒刑嘛那七年以上有期徒刑的話加重以後適用的結果是如何請說明 |
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加重以後就變成7年1月以上然後20年以下為什麼是7年1個月以上20年以下這個是我第二個問題為什麼是7年1個月以上20年以下來再往下看我們依照刑法的規定如果加重期刑至二分之一的話不是依照 |
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刑法三十六條的規定加重期刑要同加同減不應該出現只有加重上限卻不加重下限的結論嗎我有沒有說錯 |
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那如果沒有說錯的話為什麼我們實務上的法官七年以上有期徒刑加重期刑二分之一竟然量刑的時候是從七年一個月開始而不是按照立法者的意思我們加重期刑之二分之一最低的刑度應該是多少是不是十年六個月是不是十年六個月 |
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加重至那一邊喔至到那個那中間還是有一些的 range加重至啊對不起你現在在講什麼我已經完全聽不懂請你具體表明你的法律見解加重期刑二分之一那個button line到底是七年只變成七年一個月還是七年加重期刑二分之一要從十年六個月開始應該是哪一個法律見解 |
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條文宣告,食物上的見解的確是說只要是加重至二分之一的話就是有加重就可以 |
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這個就是問題嘛 這個就是問題嘛你們就要告訴所有的立法委員嘛我們實務上面的操作跟你們實際上面在修法的想像完全不一樣嘛當初立委在修法的時候加重刑刑二分之一看到刑法36條大家以為的是最低法定刑本來一般的故意傷害致死是不是七年以上有期徒刑 |
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依照兒少法加重期刑二分之一是不是應該最低是十年六個月以上有期徒刑但你們法院實際的判決就不是這樣做啊如果立法者修了法法官還是我刑我訴按照自己的法律見解來下判決我們當然尊重司法獨立啊我們也不會去干預個案啊但問題是什麼 |
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10840.118 |
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你們實務上面操作的結果荒謬到連台大法律系的教授許恆達都看不下去啦直接給你的法律意見是你們這樣的操作是違反刑法36條的規定啦難道沒有檢討的必要嗎是不是要立法者在立法的時候叫什麼叫做加重期刑之二分之一要白紙黑字寫得很清楚還要提供範例法官才看得下去 |
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需要做到這樣嗎?因為這牽涉到我們如果要有效立法的話到底要怎麼樣進行嗎?如果按照你們剛剛所講的想像競合也好法規競合也好最後操作出來的結果是286條已經被架空了當286條已經被架空了我們坐在這邊討論286條的修法不是很荒謬嗎?而這一件事情來我繼續往下看 |
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10871.977 |
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10890.257 |
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最高法院的見解我直接跟你們講啊採取想像性合說好沒有關係這個是上個月月底出現的最高法院判決接下來高等法院也跟立法者講啊高等法院說立法者在做286條刑度修正的時候根本沒有用 |
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10915.829 |
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輕重失衡。」什麼叫輕重失衡?因為你按照277條再加上俄哨法112條加重其刑之二分之一整個扭曲完了嘛!我有沒有說錯?來請教副廳長我沒有說錯!那這個是不是應該你們司法院提交給司法法制委員會的書院報告應該要告訴全體立法委員的?是不是你們應該做的? |
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10936.372 |
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這部分我們應該是要檢討好好檢討啊要不然大家坐在這邊立法都沒有人知道欸你立歸你的啊法院有法院的玩法啊法條進合想像進合加重期刑吃二分之一搞了半天修286286用不到我請司法院注意喔我請司法院注意喔你們不會隨著 |
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10944.301 |
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10959.924 |
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政府換卸就離開位置你們還會在我的位置上這麼嚴肅的問題該做的事情要做好交到本院本委員會今天的報告我只能跟你說不及格不及格如果召委許可的話我希望 |
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10961.614 |
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10987.943 |
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請召委要求你們重新提一份報告就法律到底如何解釋適用在實務上到底發生怎麼回事清楚的跟所有的立法委員報告大家才知道接下來修法說要怎麼處理嘛可以嗎好謝謝請問一下那剛剛有沒有辦法依照委員的那個要求說再提一份報告相關的規範做一個研議跟委員會做個報告那你這個大概需要多久時間 |
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黃委員你有希望他們多久內提嗎?這個一個月委員是希望說一個禮拜內交出來好,那我們一個禮拜,盡量好那就麻煩一個禮拜內把報告交過來,謝謝我們現在因為是本席詢討那就請我們請羅志強委員來代理主席 |
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三）委員吳宗憲等19人擬具 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第14條條文修正草案．立法院第14條條文修正草案．立法院第15條條文修正草案．立法院第16條條文修正草案．立法院第17條條文� |
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三位早安我現在主要是要跟三位提到的就是我們依據這段時間的新聞報導那剛剛傅昆奇總召他有提到類似的東西就是 |
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這段時間內其實額虐案件持續的在增加那依據衛福部的統計去年額哨通報事件已經突破12萬件那比111年成長了兩成那我們從這個數據上面來看其實不管哪一個年齡層它的那個數據都是增加的所以我們那個數據來給大家看一下 |
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11152.502 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委員會及法律委 |
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其中而遭受到家長不當虐待的事情更是增加了七成。」 |
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11191.006 |
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我先想請教蔡次長從108年修法的時候法務部新聞稿上面有提到第一個是加重刑責第二個是加強對於偵查方面對於六歲以下司法的相驗六歲以下兒童我們都是強制進行檢察官的相驗 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 |
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這個跟委員報告108年起訴了6件109 15件110 28 111 39 112 38件今年從1到2月有17件總訴總訴 |
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11243.614 |
| transcript.whisperx[388].text |
條文修正草案案件事件通報 |
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11272.595 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].end |
11274.777 |
| transcript.whisperx[389].text |
條文修正草案案案案案案 |
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我意思是這樣子我知道你說的那個第幾項有幾件但是我的意思是我們依據我剛剛給你們看的發生的件數再加上這段時間您剛剛說的法務部的起訴使用286條的 |
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案件數以及我這邊查到的司法院的一百一十二年的裁判書類有引用的有六十四件那這個比例上面其實是非常低欸我們其實講說法務部的起訴書裡面有用到286的比例也是只有幾十件啊那跟全國比起來我已經看出來這裡面的差異因為那個凌虐跟那個受虐的概念是不一樣的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[392].text |
刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 |
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11363.712 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．二）委員刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．二）委員 |
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11405.32 |
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根委員報告當然當年的這個氛圍也是像現在一樣也就是說在其實我們對二十二八六條的這個修法背景總共有在一百零一年他們又發生一個叫王浩案那麼在所以在這個 |
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11423.672 |
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一）委員黃健豪等20人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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11467.645 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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11489.37 |
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11490.711 |
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條文在那載重也是沒有意義嗎? |
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11510.829 |
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11537.265 |
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這再麻煩法務部對這一條文再注意一下那衛福部我想請教一下就我們剛剛其實我剛剛也有提到就是我剛剛在那個黃國昌委員尋答的時候我也有提到那現在到底大家知不知道這個286這個是第一項這個身心健全發育受有防害之適用形狀這個條文286這個是屬於非告訴奶論大家到底知不知道 |
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11553.26 |
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基本上我們去年雖然有一萬兩千多名的這個調查之後是屬於額內的案件那裡面大概有77案是屬於涉及到刑事案件的這個偵辦所以我們有在跟檢察官這邊做合作 |
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11553.74 |
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11557.403 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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我必須講一個就是我們要意識到這沒有滿三歲的這個嬰幼兒啊其實他們其實不太會表達自己不安的這種感覺嘛他們其實表達不出來他也很難去說說完整的說明一個整個受害的經過啊而且很多時候他發生傷害的這個空間就是在家中 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文修正草案．立法院第十八條條文 |
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二）委員黃健豪等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案〉案。 |
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事以凌虐或塌法足以妨害身心健全或發育者,這個有沒有一個比較具體的模式?跟委員報告啦當然這一條的這個立法理由裡面是有講到說他把它描述什麼叫做凌虐他是說 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆 |
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條文修正草案案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員法定人數不足。 |
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11940.805 |
| transcript.whisperx[414].text |
三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[415].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第20次全體委員會第20次全體委員會第21次全體委員會第22次全體委員會第22次全體委員會第23次全體委員會第24次全體委員會第24次全體委員會第25次全體委員會第26次全體委員會第27次全體委員會第28次全體委員會第29次全體委員會第30次全體委員會第30 |
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12001.359 |
| transcript.whisperx[416].text |
三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案）立法院第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13 |
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條文修正草案案 案件 中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案件 |
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| transcript.whisperx[418].text |
條文修正草案）立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[419].end |
12076.711 |
| transcript.whisperx[419].text |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[420].text |
立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 案 立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 立法院第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民國刑法第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民國刑法第12屆第1會期司法及法制委員會等18人擬具:「中華民 |
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| transcript.whisperx[421].text |
三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案 案 中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[422].text |
條文修正草案案 案件 中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案件 |
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條文修正草案）事由）立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第14次全體委員會第15次全體委員會第16次全體委員會第17次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第18次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第19次全體委員會第20次全體委員會第21次全體委員會第22次全體委員會第22次全體委員會第23次全體委員會第24次全體委員會第24次全體委員會第25次全體委員會第26次全體委員會第27次全體委員會第28次全體委員會第29次全體委員會第30次全體委員會第30次全體委員會第30次全體 |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案）立法院第12屆第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次 |
| transcript.whisperx[425].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[425].text |
條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[426].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[426].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[426].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].start |
12239.373 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].end |
12266.76 |
| transcript.whisperx[427].text |
三）委員徐巧偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案。」案。議員徐巧偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案。」案。議員徐巧偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案。案。議員徐巧偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案案。案。議員徐巧偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八 |
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12268.54 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].end |
12289.425 |
| transcript.whisperx[428].text |
三）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[429].end |
12308.764 |
| transcript.whisperx[429].text |
條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[430].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[430].text |
三）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案． |
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條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[432].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次 |
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12410.776 |
| transcript.whisperx[433].text |
條文修正草案案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。 |
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立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案 立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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條文修正草案案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案 案。議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條 |
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好那我們現在開始開會好那接下來我們請鄭委員徐委員好那接下來我們請徐委員發言 |
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12490.695 |
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12492.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[437].text |
條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 |
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12502.423 |
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12526.857 |
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委員好市長好最近我們社會上有發現黃子嬌案那扯出了有一個叫做什麼創意私房論壇的事情那衛福部已經在4月10號依兒童及少年性剝削防治條例還有性侵害犯罪防治法發文給訴發部封網了 |
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12530.599 |
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12542.973 |
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但該論壇上有偷拍右拍還有各種非自願外流的性影像甚至還會附上被拍攝者的個資導致被拍攝者被論壇會員在騷擾讓被害人宛如活在人間煉獄 |
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12548.579 |
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12574.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[440].text |
首先本席想請教次長對這個論壇的經營者還有偷拍影片還洩露個資的犯罪者請問涉及未成年的部分是否已經有依據兒少剝削條例第38條或是我們今天審查的刑法286條開始偵查本席的問題兩個是依據哪一個然後是否有開始在偵辦 |
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12577.668 |
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12585.07 |
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有關黃子佳案的緩解訴我們依法要送高檢署我不是指他依照黃子佳所謂的創意私訪的這個我跟委員報告其實這個創意應該依據哪一條啊我本席時間有限 |
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12604.096 |
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12622.483 |
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到底是要依據額紹剝削條例第38條還是刑法第二百六條?我們目前有的部分我們是依照這個刑法第二百二十七條還有315條之一之二還有修正前的額紹剝削條例第36條 |
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12625.423 |
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12648.177 |
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還有38條還有40條還有各支保護法41條各支保護法第6條還有第19條那沒有辦法用請問那個論壇創辦人和偷拍人因為被害人是兒少的部分本席要強調的是偷拍影片而且還洩露被害人的個資 |
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12650.119 |
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12665.294 |
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這個會導致被害人被論壇會員騷擾羞辱這個對被害人的傷害其實並不亞於把人關在實體空間施加凌虐所以不能用刑法第286條第二項 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].start |
12668.257 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].end |
12687.778 |
| transcript.whisperx[445].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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12688.979 |
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12707.103 |
| transcript.whisperx[446].text |
對,所以沒修正之前就非常重,那法務部不能用這一條嗎?以這個部分要具體案件,因為現在具體案件所判出來的依據它似乎是沒有依照這個,但是這個整個具體的案件我們要回去檢討看看這個部分有沒有適用的可能性 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].start |
12707.483 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].end |
12710.164 |
| transcript.whisperx[447].text |
三（委員黃健豪等19人擬具 «中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案》案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].start |
12727.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].end |
12739.82 |
| transcript.whisperx[448].text |
三）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13屆第14屆議員黃健豪等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13屆議員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第17屆議員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].start |
12753.598 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].end |
12780.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[449].text |
那但是那個刑責都很輕啊那刑責不輕現在在112年的公佈修正之後的刑法28至1還有那不關是被害人的保護還有一些防治都有還有一些對兒少性薄銷都有提高刑責那本席最後因為時間到了那現在到底進行的情況這些這麼多被害人而且他可能那個 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].start |
12781.062 |
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12802.994 |
| transcript.whisperx[450].text |
針解情形因為時間上關係特別趕快跟委員報告台北地檢在111年就先後起訴追加陳中俊跟林青安這個總共有11個人那麼這個判的刑度除了陳中俊他是被判有期徒刑應執行17年以外那另外的部分就從6個月到6年10個月不等 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].start |
12804.875 |
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12805.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[451].text |
三）委員 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].start |
12820.9 |
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12830.244 |
| transcript.whisperx[452].text |
三）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員徐巧芯等19人 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].start |
12847.872 |
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12870.845 |
| transcript.whisperx[453].text |
這個網站沒有辦法把它封掉嗎?沒有 這個封網站也有那個我們可以依照個案情節跟事證來向法院申請扣押網域那這個案件事實上我們也有去申請那麼後來跟他扣押後准但是扣押數個月以後這個網站就更換這個網域名稱他還重啟這樣子 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].start |
12874.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].end |
12879.859 |
| transcript.whisperx[454].text |
三）委員楊瓊英等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第七十七條及第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一． |
| transcript.whisperx[455].start |
12902.756 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].end |
12906.638 |
| transcript.whisperx[455].text |
條文修正草案．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一．一 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].start |
12927.89 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].end |
12957.038 |
| transcript.whisperx[456].text |
翁曉琳委員陳昌明委員陳昌明委員陳昌明委員好那因為都沒有在場齁那所有登記發言的委員都已經發言完畢那詢答結束那委員諮詢時要求提供的相關資料或以書面答覆者請相關機關盡速交個別委員及本會好那這個什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].start |
12959.435 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].end |
12983.127 |
| transcript.whisperx[457].text |
委員翁曉琳所提的書面質詢均列入紀錄刊登公報並請相關機關以書面答覆現在進行討論事項議事人員就討論事項各案的提案條文一併宣讀宣讀時間大約五分鐘宣讀後即進行討論如果有修正動議一併宣讀請宣讀 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].start |
12986.33 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].end |
13005.333 |
| transcript.whisperx[458].text |
討論事項中華民國刑法委員廖偉翔等提案第七十七條除第二項徵定第三款條文為三犯本法第二百八十六條所列之罪並受二年以上徒刑之宣告者。第四款由原第三款條文遞移取於未修正。 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].start |
13006.374 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].end |
13020.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[459].text |
委員廖偉翔等提案第二百七十二條之一殺害未滿12歲之人處死刑或無期徒刑前項之為罪犯罰之欲被犯第一項之罪者處二年以下有期徒刑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].start |
13021.371 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].end |
13045.516 |
| transcript.whisperx[460].text |
文黃健豪等提案第二百八十六條除第一項末具修正為處一年以上十年以下有期徒刑第二項末二具修正為處十年以上有期徒刑得併科一千萬元以下罰金第三項第三具開始修正為處無期徒刑或十五年以上有期徒刑至重傷者處十年以上二十年以下有期徒刑 |
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13046.656 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].end |
13061.528 |
| transcript.whisperx[461].text |
第四項第三具開始修正為處無期徒刑或二十年以上有期徒刑至終傷者處十五年以上有期徒刑其餘未修正委員徐巧芯等提案第二百八十六條處第一項末具修正為處五年以上十年以下有期徒刑 |
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13062.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].end |
13088.886 |
| transcript.whisperx[462].text |
第二項默二具修正為處七年以上有期徒刑得併課五百萬元以下罰金第三項第三具開始修正為處死刑無期徒刑或十二年以上有期徒刑至重傷者處無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑第四項第三具開始修正為處死刑無期徒刑或十五年以上有期徒刑至重傷者處無期徒刑或十二年以上有期徒刑區域未修正偉陽瓊音等提案第二百八十六條 |
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13090.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].end |
13113.426 |
| transcript.whisperx[463].text |
對照委員黃健豪等提案,除第一項默具中一年以上修正為五年以上以外其餘同委員黃健豪等提案,文書侵權等提案第286條除第一項默具修正為處三年以上十年以下有期徒刑第二項默二具修正為處十年以上有期徒刑的併科五百萬元以上一千萬元以下罰金 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].start |
13114.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].end |
13133.857 |
| transcript.whisperx[464].text |
第三項第三具條文中無期徒刑前增定死刑第四項第三具條文中無期徒刑前增定死刑其餘未修正委員陳超明等提案第二百八十六條通委員黃健豪等提案委員王育民等提案第二百八十六條第一項至第四項未修正增定第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].start |
13135.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].end |
13156.09 |
| transcript.whisperx[465].text |
對未滿六歲之人犯第一項及第二項是罪者加重其刑二分之一至人與死者處死刑或無期徒刑至重傷者處無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑國民黨黨團提案第286條第一項至第四項未修正增訂第五項 |
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13158.639 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].end |
13173.226 |
| transcript.whisperx[466].text |
對未滿六歲之人犯第一項及第二項之罪者處七年以上有期徒刑,因而致人與死者處死刑或無期徒刑,致重傷者處無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑,文科正等提案第二百八十六條 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].start |
13174.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].end |
13202.214 |
| transcript.whisperx[467].text |
除第一項末具修正為除一年以上八年以下有期徒刑第二項末二具修正為除十年以上有期徒刑得併科五百萬元以下罰金第三項第三具開始修正為除死刑無期徒刑或十五年有期徒刑至重傷者處十年以上十二年以下有期徒刑第四項第三具開始修正為除死刑無期徒刑或十五年有期徒刑至重傷者處十二年以上有期徒刑增訂第五項 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].start |
13203.574 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].end |
13227.42 |
| transcript.whisperx[468].text |
對於未滿七歲之人犯第一項至第四項之罪者,依各該項之規定加重其刑至二分之一其餘未修正,聞徐新穎等提案第二百八十六條第一項未修正,增定第二項。對於未滿三歲之人施以凝虐或以以他法主以妨害其身心之健全或發育者處五年以上十二年以下有其徒刑。 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].start |
13228.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].end |
13235.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[469].text |
第三項由原第二項條文遞以並將第二具中前項修正為前二項。第四項由原第三項條文遞以 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].start |
13238.268 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].end |
13252.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[470].text |
條文修正草案（事由．立法院第11會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12會期司法及法制委員會第12 |
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| transcript.whisperx[471].end |
13283.632 |
| transcript.whisperx[471].text |
因而致人於死或致重傷者處死刑無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑。文書侵權等提案第二百八十六條之一父母監護人或實際照顧之人對於未滿18歲之人犯前條之罪者加重其刑之二分之一。宣讀完畢。 |
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| transcript.whisperx[472].end |
13320.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[472].text |
條文修正草案案 案 。主席可以詢問一下後面的程序嗎?因為看來提案的委員也都沒有在場。我們先休息五分鐘。 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[473].end |
13347.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[473].text |
條文刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會 |
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13645.911 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].end |
13668.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[474].text |
我們現在會議開始繼續開會提案條文已經宣讀完畢現在進行討論事項討論事項並案審查委員黃健豪等20人擬具中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案等10案 |
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13673.079 |
| transcript.whisperx[475].end |
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有鑒於仍有不同意見所以本案先進行大體討論請在場委員先就大體討論發表意見總委員主席謝謝我們在場的委員先進那經過今天上午公聆所有提案委員及各委員對於本案的不同意見和相類似的意見那我覺得我們也做出了臨時提案要求法務部就相關的議案提出報告 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會 |
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13722.284 |
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刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．刑法第二百八十六條條文 |
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13745.986 |
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大體發表意見嗎?我現在可以發表? |
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條文修正草案（事由（立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案（事由．立法院等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條條文修正草案．立法院等19人擬具:「中華民國刑 |
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條文提升到處無期徒刑或十年以上,第一個刑則在三年前的修法已經在為提升,第二個在這個受害人的年齡我們也從16歲也提升到18歲,所以在保護而虐的部分我們都擴大在對象的行使範圍以及這個刑度的裁罰都已經予以加重。 |
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那現在在進一步的幾位委員的提案呢這會落入幾個在思考跟邏輯這個刑度的矛盾以及措置喔因為如果今天的刑法286條一幾位委員的提案來處理的話那其實你的殺人犯不分被害者是否成年都構成殺人罪來量刑的話 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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13931.975 |
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那剛剛黃國昌委員在他的質詢當中他也對司法院提出了要求司法院提供另一個面向量刑的Range相關的執行的具體的樣態做一個總會証那我認為今天不管是臨時提案或是各個委員在質詢當中要求行政部門乃至於司法院提出來的所有的資訊都會幫助我們更充分更多元 |
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更科學、更理性來進行這樣一個條文的討論所以我是建議說這樣一個條文今天我們在大體的部分都歡迎大家繼續表達意見在主條的部分我們可能要待相關的資料完備之後我們才能夠進行更完備的討論這是我個人的建議那請大家來參酌謝謝好謝謝委員請問還有其他委員要 |
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條文修正草案案 案 要那個說明嗎?好那沒有的話我們先請司法院司法院副秘書長要上來黃健豪好委員你是要提好那我們就請黃健豪委員先做提案說明的補充對你就在位置上就好了 |
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好謝謝主席跟各位委員那本席提到這個中華民國刑法第兩百六十條八十六條的這個修正草案部分是主要是因為過去針對這個成人跟兒童的六一代是有所聞但是我提這一條針對是傷害理念的部分因為這部分我們希望說能夠提高傷害部分的刑度因為這才比較符合這個邏輯的部分因為 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第11屆第12條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第12條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第12條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第12條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第12 |
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| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
法定人數不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].start |
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14064.281 |
| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
二）委員 |
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條文修正草案案 案件提出報告,讓刑法組織由法務部提供,然後由法務部提出一個比較完整的版本,但是我們會依照委員的指示提出報告。」 |
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請問一下還有沒有其他委員要發表意見? |
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刑法第二百八十六條修正條文及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條及第二百七條 |
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條文修正草案案件事項案件事項案件事項案件事項案件 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
| transcript.whisperx[497].start |
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14219.699 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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| transcript.whisperx[499].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第13次全體委員會第14 |
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條文修正草案案 案件 、判決資料、進一步的科學的理性討論探討的資料我很難去做討論啊。主席您應當本於您的法律專業要不然我不知道您怎麼主持啊您本身對於這些刑度這不是數字隨便填一填而已啊這一定要有專業的資訊要有專業的法律的 |
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條文修正草案案 案。 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
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條文的審查有關行政機關是不是要提出一個刑責的集據的參考資料因為我們在進行條文審查的時候這個不是一個必要的要件 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及 |
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14680.2 |
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14682.121 |
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條文修正草案 繼續進行逐條討論,本案是部分修正,總共處理四條。 |
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條文提案人廖偉翔等19人提案,請問在場提案人有無提案補端。主席,我在討論前我再詢問一下好不好,因為剛剛在討論過程當中,這最後一位質詢的委員您之前就黃國昌委員,他具體的要求針對今天討論的286條跟刑法277條的競合問題,這是討論這個條文的關鍵。 |
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條文審查：立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會議．立法院第12屆第13屆條文審查．立法院第14屆條文審查．立法院第15屆條文審查．立法院第16屆條文審查．立法院第17屆條文審查．立法院第18屆條文審查．立法院第18屆條文審查．立法院第19屆條文審查．立法院第19屆條文審查．立法院第19屆條文審查．立法院第20屆條文審查．立法院第21屆條文審查．立法院第22屆條文 |
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| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
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但是現在對於刑度的這個範圍怎麼定是合乎整個法律秩序是符合法律的比例原則這個東西真的是要慎重啦所以看看我還是建議說主席是不是這樣子因為我們兩位召委剛剛也跟召委輪至召委表達如果黃委員今天有這樣的意見提到刑法277跟286的競合問題 |
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14784.445 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員副副副副副副副 |
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提供這樣的一個機會來這樣進行逐條的時候能夠將各方面的意見尤其包括民眾黨總召他的意見也能納進來我當然相信未來在草野協商的時候各樣的意見都還可以來進行討論但是畢竟在我們司法法制委員會我們是務求各種的專業意見都有機會在這裡公開的被討論那協商當然是做因為這個我認為在協商其實差異會很小 |
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因為這個是沒有任何政黨有差異性對這個問題的嚴重性跟解決的迫切性有任何差別的這是沒有沒有任何的差異只是在設計的內容上怎麼樣能夠更去健全這是我們一個我是建議是不是黃昭偉這邊黃總召這邊能夠來就277條跟286的競合問題讓大家可以來有所討論 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13屆第12會期 |
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14888.547 |
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法務部資料到了以後第一次的協商等資料到了以後我們再來召集好不好好像就是因為我們剛剛有聽了很多嘛那其實主要審查跟這個行政機關或司法機關他們的建議其實並不是我們主要審查的要件那我是想說那不然我們今天因為黃 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會 |
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沒有那第七十七條我們依照廖偉翔所提版本這一條可能因為那個廖委員是針對假釋的條件要增第二項的第三款我還是想要就較於這個提案委員來說明一下因為如果您這樣的主張是什麼樣的理由然後我們來討論因為我不太清楚您的這個建議這樣 |
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條文修正草案案。 |
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今天當然也是為了要把這個法律修嚴與時俱進希望可以就是把這個假釋的條件拿掉是希望透過這樣的方式也是增加了刑度的概念來嚇止嚇止嫌犯的部分 |
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但那個您這邊提的是第三款是犯二八六條所列之罪但是呢又受兩年以上徒刑之宣告者為什麼想要在做這樣子的討論這就是有利於我們在說的這整個條文的修正都是在那個極具的合理與否的認定嗎所以我想就是每一個提案委員他就這個主張他一定有他的理由如果能夠更清楚讓我們理解我們不是反對啊只是說這個 |
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條文修正草案案件事項﹖廖偉翔等19人擬具 «中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案案件事項﹖廖偉翔等19人擬具 |
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每一個條文都需要有行政部門的意見當然是需要的啊主席我們先把我們這邊處理完我們再決定好不好主席我想貴委員那個廖委員您不再說明嗎中嘉賓委員對於這個 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條條文修正草案．立法院第12屆第13條條條條文修正草案．立法院 |
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立法者每一位都有他的一個看法我們要予以尊重如果說民進黨認為說這個我們本黨委員的這幾個提案你們有疑慮你們認為說還要再做修正我想我們在未來協商的時候還可以做一併的處理那行政部機關的意見我們也可以等你們意見提出來然後再做協商剛才我們講得很清楚了所以今天我想如果大家對於逐條審議可能未來結果是一樣的 |
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二）委員廖偉翔等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案．一）委員 |
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三）委員黃健豪等19人擬具 |
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針對兩百八十六條應該要如何修正的事情我剛在質詢的時候我說了我覺得我們的法務部以及我們的司法院今天交到委員會的報告是不及格的請容許我這樣講但你們的不及格不應該成為這個委員會接下去延宕的理由 |
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如果今天這個委員會的延宕是因為你們沒有及時交出及格的報告那以後本院委員會的運作不得了了行政部門混就可以啊司法院混就可以啊就可以突顯整個立法的進度啊對不起啊我老實講書難想像 |
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你們應該負責任的跟大家講說目前在實務上為什麼出現法條適用如此混亂的狀況導致導致 |
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法官在試用的時候不僅有不同的看法甚至今天次長副秘書長站在背詢台上你們也對於高等法院那麼多法官參與的座談會的結論表示不一樣的看法嗎? |
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但最關鍵的問題是什麼?但最關鍵的問題是已經有法官在判決裡面白紙黑字的講說立法院在進行修法的時候立法院在進行修法的時候法定刑度上面的調整出現了輕重失衡的狀況一個是286 |
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一個是二七七再加上耳哨法一百一十二條所以這個條文到底要怎麼適用加重的時候如何加重在實務上面的解釋都出現了相當相當荒謬的狀態 |
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這一個混亂的狀態我是贊成及時用立法的方式把它處理得乾乾淨淨的否則我們尊重法官獨立判決但在法秩序當中我們沒有辦法容許法官一人一把號各吹各的調 |
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我相信司法院應該也可以同意嘛我們當然要尊重法院的獨立審判但所謂獨立審判我們在講的是認定事實適用法律而法律必須要有它的合邏輯性法律必須要有它內在目的可以相融合的一致性我相信這個是所有的法律人大家相同的看法 |
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而這個混亂的狀態持續下去繼續拖延我認為不是好事那今天我們在討論的如果關鍵性的問題如果關鍵性的問題是說好我們針對各個不同的刑度到底要怎麼調整法務部也好司法院也好要提出你們的看法的話今天又不是要完成二讀跟三讀 |
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因為我國的國會有個奇妙的制度反正拉鞋商就是強制凍結一個月嘛接下來還有一個月的時間啊你們希望的版本可以提出來透過執政黨的黨團來並案送修正動議再修正動議這個在過去以前的立法的實務上比比皆是啦我相信不需要我再醉也所以如果今天討論的方式是說 |
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我們並沒有針對個別的法條予以背書因為我們都保留嘛沒有針對個別的法條背書保留我們在處理的事情只是說今天拉協商讓這個奇怪的強制冷凍期一個月開始跑接下來的一個月我相信以我們法務部跟司法院人才技技啊人才技技啊 |
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針對目前現在實務上面的亂象提出一個可以解決問題的相對應的修正條文我覺得時間上面是綽綽有餘這個是我的看法好 謝謝那就是就照剛剛那個委員所說司法院你們現在有辦法提供什麼意見嗎 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第12會期司法及法制委員會第13次全體委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具 |
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那如果說這段時間如果司法院法務部這邊對於這個刑度有建議的話那趕快在我們協商的這個時間趕快把刑度送過來那我不知道那個大家意見怎麼樣那如果大家沒有別的意見我就開始逐條念了喔好那第七條請問予以保留那第二七二條之一條文予以保留送協商 |
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第二八六條條文予以保留送協商第二八六條之一條文予以保留送協商 |
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本案逐條均已處理完畢做以下的宣告本案審查完畢那你據審查報告提請院會公決那本案須交由黨團協商院會討論時由吳釗及委員中線出席說明條次引述條文部分文字及法制用語授權主席及議事人員處理 |
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主席稍後可以最後讓我補充一點點想要的建議嗎?您還有要宣告我可以簡單發表一下我尊重剛剛主席的還有宣讀什麼我把它全部宣讀完好了但是散會前要讓我講一下你是我散會完你再講嗎? |
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議程所列事項都已經處理完畢,本次會議就到此結束。我尊重剛剛大家把條文保留,但是我要建議一下主席,司法法制委員會就是在處理我們應當是立法院八個委員會裡面對於法律條文應當是最專業、最被充分討論的一個委員會。 |
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我尊重剛剛這個條文就是全案去保留寫商但是這是一個沒有涉及黨派的條文我們是專業的希望就這個刑度的部分即使加重它也要符合那個量刑基本的原則那如果說我是很不樂見啦因為主席不好意思如果在立法院我可能算是您的資深一點點每一個條文既然進入主條 |
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主條就是主條審查而不是只進入主條的程序而不審查不討論我要再次說那如果說剛剛我是尊重大家的意見否則我再從廖先祥委員的第七十七條他對於假釋的條件裡頭要增下一款就是犯286條的犯刑然後他是兩年以上徒刑之宣告者這必須去討論為什麼他的主張是這樣和不合理 |
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15629.668 |
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條文修正草案．立法院第13次全體委員會議第14次全體委員會議第15次全體委員會議第16次全體委員會議 |
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條文修正草案案 案件中﹖立法院第11屆第1會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會等19人擬具:「中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 案件中﹖立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員會及法制委員 |
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不能這樣我相信主席您也都是法律人主條每一個條文之所以成為今天的法律案都是充分的交換意見在立法委員國會監督的原則裡面然後大家充分討論跨黨派跨領域的思維多元的交換而且不是只有立法部門有權力對於討論的條文說明 |
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行政部門是執行的機關。」任何一個法案我們三讀通過行政部門是執行的機關它對於條文的內涵的理解跟提案的委員或是討論的委員一不一致法案通過之後他們到底能不能夠執行所以行政部門的說明跟回應就非常重要所以我希望未來的條文在司法法制委員會逐條要討論而不是逐條不討論 |
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我要再一次說明也請求主席主持上我們未來都還有可以再繼續討論很多法案的機會謝謝主席謝謝那就那個行動部分就是極具要麻煩司法院這邊因為我這塊我是完全認同吳孝委員的 |
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條文修正草案案 案件 中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案 |
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主席我覺得跟您討論非常有建設性跟您的對話非常好就是您剛剛的意見就是法律人專業的意見你為什麼沒有連署今天每一位委員的提案因為你基於你的法律專業你覺得他的那個量刑的刑度是有違比例原則的所以如果我們有進行逐條真的在每一個條文討論您剛剛的意見就可以被列入一起被聽見 |
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三）委員黃健豪等19人擬具〈中華民國刑法第二百八十六條條文修正草案》案。 |