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| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:23:45 - 13:38:56 |
| 影片長度 |
911 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請衛生福利部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、邀請衛生福利部部長、考試院、行政院人事行政總處針對「所屬機關有關霸凌事件之調查檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【業務報告及專題報告綜合詢答】） |
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今天那個衛福部來的官員長照師師長有來嗎?長照師師長有來嗎?師長請假請問主席有準嗎? |
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所以現在是怎麼樣行政部門報名單不管主席準不準只要你有報名單連主席都不知道就可以不用來沒有我要先確定一下規矩嘛現在的規矩到底是怎麼樣是我們委員會開會的時候行政部門只要報名單不用經過主席同意想不來就不來是這樣嗎 |
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社保司的司長有來嗎?現在是代理司長所以現在的代理司長是本來的副司長嗎?那本來的司長勒?所以他先調理社保司所以今天也不用來 |
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我對主席很尊重只是有的時候主席你人太好你真的人太好他們也沒有經過你的同意說不來就不來我某個程度上也是幫主席打抱不平我希望以後衛福部的是不是要準價是不是要先請問主席這個基本的態度應該要建立吧來、有請部長 |
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衛福部發聲霸凌案讓大家都很痛心早上執行的人非常的多我們先回顧一下當初賴清德總統也好卓榮泰院長也好跟台灣社會都做出了莊嚴的承諾甚至卓榮泰還說什麼卓榮泰說他要求各部門機關了解內部有沒有霸凌有一個月內完成調查 |
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一個禮拜內完成調查,依法處理。左榮泰講的話算話嗎?請教部長當然算話當然算話他要求的時限是多久?我們的確在一個禮拜當時的發生以後開始調查到一個禮拜我們有做 |
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您們在做的時間上是卓榮泰搞不清楚狀況連人種 |
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連人種那個處理的指引處理的實現有多少都搞不清楚當一個行政院院長做這種政治性的發言現行法規是一個禮拜嗎?現行法規如果不是一個禮拜那我把他當成是行政院院長對於行政院所屬機關內部的自我強化要求嗎?對啊阿現在這個內部的強化自我要求有做到嗎? |
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我公開問這個問題就好了啦是不是有做到大家去對時間嘛左榮泰講的話到底算不算話更可笑的是什麼結果你們結果出來了為什麼今天這麼多委員關心社會滑爛啦有關的有關職的主管的通通不成立沒有主管職的通通都成立 |
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抓小放大部長這樣的調查結果你滿意嗎我們都是秉公處理、依法辦理沒有關係啦不要講官話我就直接請教你嘛你個人作為衛福部的部長這樣的調查結果你滿意嗎我們尊重調查小組尤其我們叫做外部專業調查委員他們的 |
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當初前勞動部部長何佩珊也是這樣講的嘛作為一個部長要有擔當啊這樣的調查結果你滿意嗎那你就勇敢的拍胸脯說我非常滿意嘛 |
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我想我那個尊重就是尊重調查委員的一個意見如果說有新的事證或者是我們再繼續來我具體請教啊上班時間要員工深蹲福利挺身這個是OK的嗎來請教部長 |
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好 這個我回答好了 這個這件事情是發生在2022年12月的時候因為這個新進的同仁只有一次是不是他也只有一次其他都沒有了 |
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只有這一次所以現在建築...等一下等一下等一下我們一樣一樣來嘛這位司長逼員工深蹲福利挺身依照你們目前調查的結果在他擔任司長的期間當中只有一次沒有別次了是不是這樣是嗎調查的結果是這樣子這樣子調查的結果部長你認可嗎 |
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為什麼我今天問師長為什麼沒有來自己的事情自己不敢面對喔如果調查這麼嚴謹這麼坦蕩蕩連來國會接受被選的勇氣都沒有還是你們整個衛福部幫他擋在前面只有一次只有一次所以呢 來來來 |
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其他在媒體上面建築的我現在直接看後面啦齁 |
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有深蹲執行官深蹲聽訊深蹲姿勢不對聽短講聽到雙頭雙腿發抖會被糾正這全部都是不實爆料是嗎如果只有一次的話啦如果你們的調查結果是真的啊我只有一個結論啊現在建築跟外界投訴爆料的這些內容全部虛偽不實這是調查小組的結論嗎 |
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非常感謝黃國昌委員對本案的一個關心跟垂詢。客氣的話不用講,直接回答問題就好了啦。就是有關福利挺身就是一次。所以這些爆料全部都不止,福利挺身一次深蹲幾次?深蹲的話是從2022年,從這個2024年大約五月的時候開始。總共有幾次? |
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所以用鼓勵的方式同仁都很高興樂於接受鼓勵是這樣嗎十三位可以理解嗎 |
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所以我跟委員報告就是所以現在建出在報章媒體上面的爆料全部都是只有一個人抱怨其他的人都覺得很OK是這樣嗎對所以我們也因為這樣老實說我也覺得就是說這個市長這樣是整個這個管理上面現在把規矩講清楚就好了啦對沒錯把規矩講清楚就好了啦沒錯 |
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長官可以要求暑假深蹲福利挺身嗎?可以還是不可以?絕對不可以。絕對不可以嘛。來出來。來來來來來來。我們一樣一樣講清楚啊。那你們在裡面的報告講什麼?講說啊是用鼓勵的方式一起運動。調查小組認定沒有強迫。這個結論部長你滿意嗎?包委員。對不起我請問部長。部長這個結論你滿意嗎? |
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我覺得如果有運動時間應該要尊重尊重每一個同仁他們自有的一個活動方式 |
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所以如果有任何的強迫去做特定的或者太超過阿你覺得司長都這樣下令了同仁有沒有覺得被強迫還有深蹲執行官喔部長我跟您交換一個意見我們將心比心今天我們立委監督行政部門幫我們基層的公務員發聲 |
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我們將心比心我今天如果在質詢的時候我請你深蹲我請你福利挺身你一定會覺得這個立委一點道理都沒有濫用職權憑什麼要你深蹲憑什麼要你福利挺身我們將心比心我相信這樣子講部長應該可以認同嘛當然當然當然嘛那每一個人都是一樣嘛衛福部有司長官威很大 |
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還有深蹲執行官喔結果大家為什麼對你們衛福部的調查報告意見這麼強烈你看嘛第一個調查報告全文不敢提供給立法院說是要保護同仁你們在討論臨時提案的時候我人雖然沒在現場我都透過我們院內的視訊 |
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在看你們討論其中的理由是什麼啊怕同人有心理壓力怕暗圖寄索去找到那個同人那我現在就有個問題啊找到那個同人然後呢他會被誰壓迫 |
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他會被誰秋後算帳?如果按照你們今天調查報告的結論這些主管職每一個人繼續當主管都沒有問題那代表了什麼?代表你們今天部長幫這些主管背書嘛他們繼續當主管絕對不會有秋後算帳絕對不會繼續霸凌同仁 |
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你們調查報告的結論跟整個台灣社會講的就是這件事嘛他們可以繼續當主管我部長背書OK沒有問題啊如果是這樣子的話怎麼會有人擔心還會會被缺貨算帳連你們自己都沒信心了嘛所以才不敢公布調查報告嘛部長我有沒有講錯 |
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報告委員我想我們去識別化以後今天的結論我們會去每一個未還的委員那非未還的委員呢如果有要求我們也會去報告好那我現在要求來報告可以嗎沒問題順便講清楚啊沒問題你們的標準怎麼跟勞動部差這麼多啊勞動部的謝宜龍是叫大家跑步啊勞動部的調查報告啊認為不可以這樣做啊沒有擦肢抹粉啊 |
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結果你們衛福部的報告標準很特殊喔鼓勵啊鼓勵同仁運動啊部長會不會覺得你們衛福部的標準太寬啊我想這個都是調查委員專業的一個認定真的喔這樣子的認定你覺得很專業喔所以是勞動部那邊的不專業就對了是嗎 |
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整個政府機關可以有不一樣的標準喔來 我請教部長你在一個工作環境裡 師長三不五時就要大家練深蹲啊 |
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啊你覺得這個工作環境好不好?如果是在必要就是說健康的時間如果是在必要在健康的時間吶吼那有有要帶著大家運動那是一回事那如果強迫做比較比較大家超越體力吼或是不喜歡的市長都開口了下面的人趕不照著做當然這個就是不用擔心考記喔行政失當不用擔心升遷喔不用擔心在長官面前有沒有關愛的眼神喔 |
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國務體系的邏輯是這樣嗎?當然委員的考量我都支持我都了解今天有很多委員針對這件事情提出質詢我相信部長感受很強烈 |
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大家對於衛福部這種關關相互的態度啊是沒有辦法接受的是沒有辦法接受的我們絕對不會去關關相互是不是有關關相互是不是有關關相互社會上有社會上的評價嘛我們絕對不會去關關我保證絕對不會關關相互做出來的結果做出來的結果就這樣啊啊你現在的說辭跟前勞動部部長有什麼差別 |
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當初前勞洛部長不是說我們尊重專業小組尊重外聘委員結果勒?結果勒?我想沒關係我們的調查報告都可以經過大家來考驗可以經過大家考驗就公開嘛那就我們第一個階段先跟各位委員報告不管是未完的或者是希望來了解我這樣講啦 |
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我們到時候你們來說明的時候所有接到的投訴所有看到的檢舉我們一樣一樣做事實查核我們一樣一樣做事實查核如果裡面有調查小組該認定沒有認定該考慮沒有考慮該考慮沒有考慮被具體抓出來的話部長承諾重啟調查可不可以做到 |
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你如果這麼有信心就不用擔心被檢驗嘛到時候來我辦公室說明的時候我一樣一樣對啊有該處理沒有處理該考慮沒考慮就重啟調查可不可以承諾如果有新的市政或者是不用新的市政嘛既有的市政沒有考慮就應該重啟調查了不是嗎是吧如果有多的補強的政績我們願意繼續來調查OK好謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
158179 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158179 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-14 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-16T13:23:45+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-16T13:38:56+08:00 |
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