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張啓楷 |
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10:30:48 - 10:43:12 |
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2024-12-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
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最近因為勞動部這個霸凌事件很多人很同情公務員我今天一開始我要呼籲請不要霸凌退休的金公教 |
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請不要霸凌退休的軍公教也不要只有跟退休的軍公教說財政不好所以很抱歉你們必須犧牲這是臨改的時候蔡英文總統講了好幾次因為國家的財政不好不得已 |
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所以我們為了退休的金公教人員你們的付出我們跟你說聲抱歉今天我們的財政變好了包括我們退府基金的投資績效也變好了所以我們不用再跟我們的退休金公教說抱歉了也不要說他會要他們再繼續犧牲了 |
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當初為什麼年金改革在105年106年的時候我每一年都短促了一百多億兩百多億甚至有時候上千億可是我給大家看一下我們最新的狀況我統計了最近的財政大家看一下在民國95年到103年那十年的時候我們的財政確實是困難的 |
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所以剛剛有人講不管是馬英九總統不管蔡英文總統說必須跟我們的退休進攻家有說聲抱歉可是我們最近的10年的財政大家知道嗎我們財政不只變好變得非常的好大家看一下從104年到112年你光是統計最近這5年就是年改從107年的7月份開始對不對年改開始的隔年 |
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一百零八年到一百一十二年這五年有一年還是負兩百二十三億喔大家算一下這五年我們的財政超收了多少錢大家可以把五年的把它加起來一兆四千零三十一億把它平均分給五年一年是兩千八百零六億 |
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這光是一年喔比最近這五年我們退休金工教的犧牲五年撫卹了多少錢進退休的這個基金2744億啓楷今天要強調的第一個當初年金改革的國家財政困難的眼裡已經不在了而且我們財政變得很好 |
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光是每一年 最近每一年的平均都超收的稅收就足夠去補之前 你砍了他五年的所以還要繼續再砍嗎而且明年的稅收還增加更多上個月財政部已經講了我們明年的財政會多出4千億所以第一個 |
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國家財政沒有已經當初要犧牲我們的退休金工資料也已經不見了這是第一個第二個我們再看一下還有一個很大的改變以前為什麼要改革因為我們的退撫基金那個小水庫一直在講說錢不夠了錢不夠有很多原因現在有一個非常非常大的改變以前退撫基金的操作不當 |
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所以他進來的錢非常的少大家看一下最近從108年年金改革以後我們退伏基金操作變好了因為公開透明了不要一直再去復盤了你看108年收益有10.62109年8.46你看除了有一年復的全部都超過兩位數所以你只要好好維持你的操作 |
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總會沒有錢呢 大家看一下下一張當初改革原因是什麼因為之前的前20年我們的金公教把錢給了這個退伍基金之後操作亂七八糟前20年平均值有多少2.79欸當然那時候要做B座年金的改革啊可是大家對照一下最近這5年差了幾倍至少差了3倍 |
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所以不只是我們的國庫現在開始有錢了退撫基金因為績效的增加退撫基金是有錢的所以包括剛剛年輕的朋友 終生帶來金鍋教代表不要擔心現在基金是有錢的只要管理者不要再亂搞這個地方是有錢的比較以前到現在另外大家也不要擔心這個基金會沒錢啊大家對照一下勞保 |
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329.62 |
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357.725 |
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勞退基金最近這幾年我幫大家算了一下109年到114年撥補多少錢3870億所以勞動部的前部長何必這樣說啊撥補就是改革啊我們不反對撥補給勞工可是最近這幾年為什麼經過這樣的公務員的退休基金增加那麼少所以我上次執行的時候我特別拜託我們的前市部部長 |
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| transcript.whisperx[13].end |
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要解決現在這個問題 |
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| transcript.whisperx[14].end |
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他沒有什麼世代對立的問題啊因為你照顧到年長者退休的你照顧到現代的啊因為整個國家變得有錢了你甚至去看一個台電最近這三年已經要求撥補三千億出去了最近還有兩千億啊一堆的弊案 剛剛有人在提陳啟毅 台電綠能了光是一個光電弊案五六百一個燒不掉五六百億的那種虧空跑不掉腐爛的支出有多少 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].start |
419.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[15].end |
423.482 |
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政府的責任不是應該讓弊案不要再發生不要再亂編錢嗎我前幾天上個禮拜五在議員會非常堅持砍了燃煤的預算250億那250億就可以省下來啊而且維護到我們的健康啊從國民黨到民進黨政府不是講嗎少燒煤啊火力發電裡面的煤要少一點啊你把250億砍掉拿來 |
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| transcript.whisperx[16].end |
462.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[16].text |
幫勞工幫勞工退休不是很好嗎而且讓我們健康維持啊所以不要擔心沒有錢錢是有的好回到剛剛那一張我給大家看一下最重要的我剛剛講我現在講一個現在要解決問題現在解決問題就回到主管機關最專業的一個精算來解決問題那就回到考試院當初在聯改的時候的版本 |
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477.762 |
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507.202 |
| transcript.whisperx[17].text |
我請大家一定要特別注意這件事情當初在年金改革的時候大部分人是沒有反對的除了可憐的親公叫退休人員之外可是我剛剛跟大家講歷史背景跟整個財收狀況已經不一樣了國家變有錢了我們的退撫基金變有錢了績效增加了撥補也可以增加了更重要我們用專業來解決問題什麼叫專業當初提出來最專業的主管機關版本是誰提的 |
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508.697 |
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524.733 |
| transcript.whisperx[18].text |
考試院啊前系部現在部長在這邊當時考試院版本是怎麼樣從80%開始往下一年1%對不對可是當初當年在張連那個立法院表決的時候過的不是立法院專業版本欸他在民進黨多數的狀況之下段奕康高喊之下民進黨那時候有68席 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].start |
533.407 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].end |
557.837 |
| transcript.whisperx[19].text |
他大砍他同樣你如果服務滿35年大家看一下你如果服務滿35年就一個軍工教你第一年你80%對不對分10年一年降1%降到70就停了可是後來民進黨主導之下過的不是主管機關考生的版本啊政治的力量進來了他出現了什麼他變成一開始就砍了5%從75開始每一年還降了1.5好那我現在請大家算一下 |
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563.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[20].end |
573.489 |
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請大家算一下 經過這五年經過這五年 一開始降了5%五年一年1.5 已經降了多少12.5% 對不對我們的進攻價經過這五年到現在它已經被砍了12.5%了它是不是遠遠已經超過本來考試院的版本了是不是所以第一個回歸專業的精算 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].start |
592.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].end |
607.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[21].text |
回到原來考試院的版本你現在砍的幅度已經超過原來考試院提的10年的標準了甚至多出了0.25%了第二個你現在國家有錢了所以我呼籲回到這個版本來 我們再看一下你目前5年一共砍了2774億可是很清楚現在國家 |
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638.254 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
波普可以解決這個問題你績效改革也可以解決這個問題我最後講一下台灣民眾黨跟柯文哲在競選期間的我們的主張這也是最近我們在審查這個案子除了國民黨提案之外我們的主張柯文哲很清楚的講過 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
657.636 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
這個違背 當初這個年輕改革制裁問題違背了信賴保護原則 破壞了法不受既往的法治國的這個基礎私心靈敏 所以現在最重要的是什麼我們現在怎麼去幫助這些退休的金工教他特別提到一個點 就我剛剛講的 波普的問題他說我們以前管理不當他說管理不當 他去看過很多會計師啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
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他說我們政府拿那個退伍基金去投資啊他說你如果蒙著眼睛去買那個前50檔CEO的你這30年來應該至少成長6倍啊你怎麼會沒錢呢結果你等於是好像有點像你拿我錢去賭博輸了還在砍我的這個預算我用最後這句話來政府講話都不算話以後誰要聽你的 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
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您改改到現在他提出一個很重要的解決方案他一個原則舊的要盡量維持諾言新的要如何來處理該撥補就撥補所以柯文哲在競選期間中大選期間提出這個論點我們大部分民眾黨我們會依行這個方向去走所以我剛剛提到的既然已經改過了現在已經快到12月底了本席強烈的主張 |
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停止年金逐年調價停止年金逐年調價從明年1月開始第一個他基金已經達標了他砍的幅數已經高過之前考試院提出的版本10年10%了已經達標了已經超過了第二個我們國家變有錢了我們的基金現在投資績效是好的請停止對金公教的繼續再下去改革下去就變成霸凌了 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
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不要霸凌退休的進攻價 停止主任在記憶條件 謝謝 |
| IVOD_ID |
158163 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158163 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-16 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
公聽會-2024121150 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
公聽會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
36 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會公聽會（事由：「公務人員退休資遣撫卹法等案」公聽會） |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-16T10:30:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-16T10:43:12+08:00 |
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