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委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
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09:43:20 - 10:00:01 |
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1001 |
會議時間 |
2024-12-16T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請衛生福利部部長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。
二、邀請衛生福利部部長、考試院、行政院人事行政總處針對「所屬機關有關霸凌事件之調查檢討」進行專題報告,並備質詢。
【業務報告及專題報告綜合詢答】) |
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謝謝主席。我請部長。國衛院長。議事司司長。口腔司司長。 |
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委員長 辛苦了辛苦了 那個上次逃動部這個霸凌事件也是我排一個檢討會報告 然後就在這裡從早上一直砲轟到下午 那到中午的時候行政院那邊就回復了 |
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下午四點半,行政院長召開記者會。我們的何部長就辭職了。我覺得很惋惜。務務部這一次的 |
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這個事件的檢討我這裡要跟部長講一下就是早上我還收到你們衛務部員工的陳情救救我們衛務部的員工他說這一次的這個檢討報告是提高陳情到次長 |
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所以他們還好,但是一般都是主秘在主持。所以現在這個主秘一定先到減息到sustention開,讓他沒做。他如果再回去當主秘,那這些報告全部他都看到了嗎?那這些人不是完蛋了嗎? |
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好,謝謝召委的隨行。我想我們在一開始調查的過程當中都,我想那個理事長應該很清楚,指導這個整個就是說他負責召集嘛,他應該很清楚,只要是當我們在調查的時候所有的相關人都請假。 |
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我就是不行不不影響到那個整個調查所以相關的人不會去看到他在這個報告裡面所以這個部分請大家放心絕對我們非常的非常的非常的保護到這個我們所訪談的所有的同仁而且絕對 |
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做最最嚴密的一個保護所以這個這個案子將來即使誰呢當主秘他可以往前去review去拿出來去拿出來看會不會這樣 |
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按照目前的規定調查報告不僅是密件而且是限約關係人都是不能看所以要有職權才能看的那結束就封起來了是不是這樣 |
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我是覺得要勿妄勿縱啦,盲盲就這個我們那個年代當醫生部長你也看不到了,我們離開房,如果這樣沒辦法對主治醫師腳就要踹來了 |
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蘇清泉 |
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我阿兔就在顧記者馬街宴晚上亂七八糟的刀倉槍倉的一堆也是這樣拗過來但是現在時代不一樣啦他們有年輕人的想法不一樣現在如果跟我的刀我把他用拔劍給他打一下我就死了好不好我才會有個啊所以不一樣所以現在的主管或許以前是也曾經被霸凌過 |
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現在不要變成你是受害者將來變成加害者可能有什麼心態我不知道啦 部長你要看什麼 |
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我想...我以前也被丟過病歷,是不敢用麥克彈啦。你們外科系統的科研比較好,我們內科系統基本上是丟病歷啦。但是我從來沒有丟過年輕醫師的病歷。 |
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因為時代不一樣整個環境不一樣以及大家玩笑的方式不一樣陳昭蘇委員對你的這篇報告非常的不滿意我想退回去 |
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有點對你們難堪但是我想再回去好好的再再再回顧再review一下好不好我就不用那麼不好聽的字眼那這裡面有一些我看表現也不錯的啊像你們國衛組這個張主任每次委員要愛衣服給他叫他都會來要穿什麼東西都會穿這樣 |
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蘇清泉 |
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我們台灣的新生兒死亡率是比日本高將近一倍嘛然後呢我們國會院裡面有一個兒童健康什麼什麼什麼委員會啊你那委員會在幹嘛的是在做政策制定還是有到基層的practice到醫院這個層級因為五家兒童醫院的 |
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院長也罷他們來找我說他們希望成立可以為我們這邊成立一個兒童醫學健康研究中心然後他們來 |
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整個台灣的資料做研究新的治療方法新的癌症治療方法等等就依託在其中的一家醫院然後全國的資料都在這邊我第一句話就問說那你跟國會院這個機構有沒有疊床駕駛部長你有看過嗎 |
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我想國會院是我們國家重要的健康智庫那它據我了解在過去成立相關的一個組織的時候其實在推動很多兒童的一個重要的議題的論壇那這個也都做得在政策上相關的好在醫院裡面當然就是 |
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我現在是說國會院這個單位是不是在做政策制定而已啊?政策的原意跟制定 |
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謝謝委員。我們事實上是從102年開始,因為當初很多立委鼓勵我們成立這個所謂的國家的兒童醫學研究中心。 |
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這幾年事實上是用依法基金的這個經費雖然每年經費都在遞減但事實上我們維持每年都在遞減這幾年因為醫治師強力推動這個所謂的優化兒童醫療照護那個裡面就有很多的策略來結合不同的醫學中心、兒童醫院跟這個幼童的這個專責的這個醫師那他們現在怎麼會有這個要求呢? |
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會想說在臺大兒童醫院或者是哪裡放這個研究的中心?我想那個醫事室是臺大醫院奧科出身的他最了解這邊的話我補充一下因為這是不同層級的研究政策研究的部分其實我們是透過國會院然後推動兒童優化兒童醫療網計畫得到的data其實沒有個資的情形現在其實是由國會院來提供可是每個醫院對於每個disease |
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其實他都希望有更深度的研究知道從預防端開始怎麼做所以針對每一個不同的面向的地方的話我只能說以國衛院而言他是從公共衛生的角度從疾病預防治療的角度那是每個醫院希望能夠做的事 |
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我的想法就很單純,就是,孩子越生越少,變動關一年,今年是2023年過星期的八千五百多人生小孩生到四千兩百,生不到一半啦 |
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這是好事啦! |
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那我請部長你責成我們國會議事室.跟這些兒童醫院研究一下.看到底他們是要愛什麼.他們是要如何配合.要不然他們重複開.我們就沒意思了.這樣好不好好沒問題這個非常重要.而且資源一定要放在.各自能夠發揮共同來聯繫一個我們臺灣最好的. |
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兒童研究及一個品質的體育對啦 這個很重要啦每一個都要好好的栽培每一個都是很重要來 那院長你請回那再來就是我們麻醉出問題啦診所出問題啦那醫生到底有沒有受訓那我瞭解起來不真的假的我等一下請市長回答齁他說那個診所做雷射然後打propofol |
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那這個牛奶針,我前幾天做大腸經胃鏡,我也煮那個,我也煮泡泡泡,整個我是便宜做,所以很擔心,那真的會呼吸會變壞,血壓會下降,所以那種針很好用,但是會出問題的啊。 |
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我看你們的規範八項裡面沒有在石中良當市長的時候制定的嘛那八項什麼銷鼓啦什麼的要麻醉在場那這個我的了解是那個執行醫師自己打打完自己再做然後這裡就輸於照顧 |
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那個在醫院保證救的回來,那在診所,那去有KLG這個是很糟糕的事情這個診所裡面醫美診所裡面醫事室現在準備要怎麼做這樣是沒有辦法接受的台灣有800家醫美診所真的有規範的才41家,是不是這樣 |
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蘇清泉 |
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合法而且品質優良的診所的部分的話我們其實是建議民眾第一個其實就優選醫政會通過認證的第二件事情是在執行推動的過程當中如果是說麻醉這件事情只能夠由麻醉科醫師做的話其實就會有人手不足的問題可是實際上面很多的情況下面都會運用到麻醉所以怎麼提升這個我們講的安全的部分的話才會有是說 |
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蘇清泉 |
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我不曉得麻醉專科醫師跟麻醉專科婦理師他們的前線跟他們的分際是在哪裡我搞不清楚像這種應該你要麻醉你就在醫院坐就好了為什麼醫師到外面到處兼差這樣這樣一定會到最後一定是無人嘛無人就是這樣他先自己補自己煮自己煮自己弄都要出事了 |
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這是要管理的,不然大家不信心去啊軍售這筆也沒搞,什麼都沒幫你做什麼,每天都沒搞我看連插管都不要插管所以這個很危險啦口腔師也是一樣,我要問你的你跟醫師是怎麼配合牙科醫師現在是在聯合診所就可以實習嗎還是PGY才在聯合診所 |
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牙科醫師的實習一定是教學醫院。PGY的話的確有部分是在診所。因為牙醫師本身一定要在急診受診。是,董事長你是急診的齁。一定要在急診受診過。一定要在麻酔科受診過。這樣他才有基本的救人的基本能力。 |
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我已經接過好多牙醫師麻藥一打因為麻藥裏面有馬肩、大腦肩裏面有加一些保釋敏加一些epinephrine加一比一千的那煮了人家就VTR人家就心力不振、心思戰鬥啊上來救的比較久、救的比較久就沒了所以麻醉那個牙科醫師會不會插管我看10個、9個不會插啦 |
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所以這個都是要review的這個要加強他們訓練的還有實習如果在在牙科診所還得了這個是一個漏洞啊所以實習沒有只有PGY有對只有PGY有PGY應該也要在教學院在聯合診所上次就出事了高雄不是出事了嗎所以這個 |
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謝謝委員的指教我想不管是醫療院所的品質安全 |
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可以說是從朝委員您過去在擔任醫師公會理事長那個時候就一直呼籲大家一直在開這個會所以我們非常的重視那該如果在麻醉這個部分會比較需要再精進我們會找相關的醫學會 |
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跟相關的專科醫學會、牙醫團體我們共同來研議看怎麼樣讓民眾真的到醫療院所是很安心而且是很安全的所以我們一定要努力追求所以我再回過頭來行政院說要讓 |
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雖然是匿名但是只要舉出他的 |
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被檢舉者要勿忘勿重 |
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謝謝蘇委員、謝謝柯部長 |
IVOD_ID |
158143 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158143 |
日期 |
2024-12-16 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-14 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
14 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
影片種類 |
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開始時間 |
2024-12-16T09:43:20+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-12-16T10:00:01+08:00 |
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