IVOD_ID |
158106 |
IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158106 |
日期 |
2024-12-12 |
影片種類 |
Clip |
開始時間 |
2024-12-12T11:31:58+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-12-12T11:52:05+08:00 |
影片長度 |
00:20:07 |
支援功能[0] |
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video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/50d02d9c955f8e2d932b42ebf8c01e060341d36cd1de3acc905041b311685818d25b08c110ea79ab5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
委員名稱 |
陳玉珍 |
委員發言時間 |
11:31:58 - 11:52:05 |
會議時間 |
2024-12-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次全院委員會(事由:總統咨,茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定,提名張文貞、姚立明、何賴傑、陳運財、王碧芳、廖福特、劉靜怡7位為司法院大法官,並以張文貞為院長、姚立明為副院長,咨請同意案。) |
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劉教授我看您剛剛這個回答的都不卑不亢非常的好那但是我也要請您大概注意一下像剛剛所說的這個尤其您說這個憲法法庭的如果總額的這個問題可能還有配套那事實上翁小林委員所提出來這個憲法總額是有把該迴避的名額扣掉的所以也說在接受資訊的時候要做判斷的時候 |
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有的人準備不全或是不了解事情的全貌但是事實上你們在做相關的這個時候是需要做全面性的了解在這個配套說是有的那我想跟您討論一下我發現您的這個我對這個大法官被提名的這個標準我大概自己把它分為這四項學術專業國家認同品德操守跟人權保障這四項那我剛剛看到我看您的這個回答事實上是比較就是 |
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比較直接的就是說事實上敢勇於承擔的比起我昨天質詢這個前天質詢張文貞女士跟這個昨天陳運財先生對於事情都不願意就是有點微微諾我還是對您相對是敬佩的我想請教您您知道您被提名的這個原因我們看到按照依法來講這個大概您不是沒有任過國際法庭的法官嗎沒有嗎所以您應該是有在學術機關從事公法學或比較法學研究對吧 |
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兒有權威著作權威著作是哪一本? |
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謝謝委員的提問我當然不敢說自己是權威雖然法律上面是這樣規定不過呢我個人在言論自由、新聞自由跟資訊隱私的這個幾個領域我其實有非常多的專論我看到你有很多文章有兩本專書那其他大部分都是 |
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文章收錄還有一些未出版的因為還要經匿名審查還有未出版的一些文章收錄所以這兩本書是所謂的權威著作嗎?您會這樣認為嗎? |
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我不敢說權威但是呢這兩本書裡面所引用的文章很多呢所收錄的論文很多是我自己的這個升等論文所以這樣怎麼來說服我你是在國內受到非常多的引用是所以你也不認為是權威著作了 |
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陳玉珍 |
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普遍任命為大法官的標準品德操守人非聖賢 孰人無過知錯人改善莫大焉注意到媒體我今天特別給您一個說明的空間我注意到您曾經在臉書上說我們廣東名校長就是負下大勢違法兼職又稱他兼職台灣大讀懂 |
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那這個臺大有一個認定喔這個管中銘未附陸兼職符合教育部規定這個臺大認定你覺得是臺大是你認知的學校嘛臺大認知認定說管中銘沒有附大陸兼職您說他違法兼職那你覺得臺大這個認定是正確的嗎 |
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台大當時的認定基本上是用廈門大學的回函來做認定這是一個行政上的認定所以你認為台大的因為台大有這個新聞這個台大這個認定是正確還是不正確或者是一個偏頗的認定我認為是一個不盡正確的偏頗認定所以你認為台大的認定是一個 |
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因為我自己本身不是當事人所以我不可能有陳述的機會那又說到管中銘違規兼職列教育部的這個名單就台大說當時已經卸任讀董那這個東西比較明確了吧 |
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委員報告 |
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在沒有獲得臺大校方的同意之前就去擔任臺歌大的讀董、新資委員會等等的這個事情呢其實事後在 |
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檢察院的彈劾案裡面講得非常清楚所以這個部分我並沒有講錯台大說他當時已經卸任讀董了已經辭卸任所以你說辭卸任沒有問題你說他去擔任以前沒有去那個嘛他擔任之前沒有經過台大就已經有違法事實了 |
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所以您到今天還是認為說臺大的這些認定或是偏頗或是不正確的您還是覺得您的指控是正確的接著您說對於我們管校長他說您的國發所的論文抄襲這個部分你說不回應是因為這個不確實還是怎樣 |
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我不知道委員是在講哪一件事情那個管宗敏校長說自己指您說國發所論文抄襲對你自己論文抄襲視而不見這件事情國發所論文抄襲並不是我抄襲不是你抄襲不是我抄襲所以我不知道我要回應什麼 |
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對於臨近改革的視線裡頭你有做鑑定的意見嗎? |
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就是說這個年金改革的改變無涉於是否違反法律不溯及既往的原則也沒有侵害到受規範對象之財產權這些意見您看您有講過這些嗎還有未違反法律不溯及既往原則難認定違反憲法第15條的生存權的保障沒有違反沒有侵害受規範者的財產權也沒有這個都是您說過的話這個應該是 |
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您確定嗎?我沒有說錯,您說過這話您的第三頁,意見書第三頁有提到公共年金制度本質上必須含納動態調整的可能性對退伏基金、財務收支平衡的基本目標要怎麼達成?您說的是本應容許政府與立法者定期共同檢討的空間以便能夠是實際需要進行調整的以確保公共年金制度的 |
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我曾經研究過的事情 |
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民進黨有可能還會提出釋憲,您是不是還會認為這是政府與立法者定期共同檢討的空間? |
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我認為這個事情當然如果有具體個案進來的話我就不便表示意見那如果這個是一個潛在的釋憲案的話我在這裡也不方便講太多不一定是一個釋憲啦民進黨不一定會提出釋憲啦如果就您以前因為您現在不是大法官的人選只是被提名有沒有根據您的這個 |
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過往的這個信念價值我看您也一向信念價值是怎樣就怎樣也不會說是自無為聞或會迴避問題不像前面那兩位會迴避問題但是您本來做的就是本應容許政府與立法者共同定期檢討空間那過了好幾年我們現在又打算定期檢討了我還是抱持同樣的態度所以也是認為這應該是政府與立法者應該可以有 |
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政府立法部門跟行政部門必須要共同來維護大家的最低的生存權反正您肯定說還有檢討空間那這一點就可以至少你的心內沒有改變有關國家認同的部分你認為說國家定位是政治問題不應該率有回答我也尊重但是 |
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有時候因為這個憲法的這個規定那影響到人民實際的權利的時候這時候這個當然你就要有您的這個看法了我舉一個金門的例子來給你聽您知道我是來自金門縣嘛福建省金門 中華民國福建省金門知道吧我們這個因為這個國家的一些定位問題造成人民權益受損工作財產都受到損害你應該不能保持緘默啦然後給人家看一下這個圖齁您看一下這個 |
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現實案例齁這個你知道中華民國憲法有規定中華民國的這個固有疆域這個沒問題嘛齁這個憲法裡頭有明文規定嘛齁您看看這個圖上面有藍色的跟紅色的齁這個就是禁憲制水域這個是我們這個之前這個國防部畫出的金門的這個禁憲制水域齁那金門民眾因為齁 |
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你船開出了這個所謂的禁限制水域所以被處罰這個案子在金門發生了數百個案例你怎麼而且被地檢署起訴那根據這個中華民國憲法這個有超出故有疆域嗎在金門的四周圍內幾海里內啊 |
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為如果大陸的說大陸的船要進來對我們做什麼事情我們還可以說基於這個安全保障我們對大陸的進行這個我這個是可以接受的但是對金門我們中華民國的國民因為船開出我們自己劃的進限制水域而因此被地檢署起訴在金門數百案件你怎麼看 |
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好那個謝謝委員告訴我這個案例因為我對於離島的相關的事務我現在要回答委員就是說 |
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我們 我想委員也知道我們的憲法 憲法增修條文跟兩岸條例基本上是一個非常特殊的一個架構它事實上就是以這個所謂的主權跟治權這樣子的一個合一還是分立的一個狀況弄起來 |
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所以我們限制不讓大陸的漁船進來這個是合理的,我也接受啊在你那個前提下中華民國自己的國民不能行駛在中華民國自己這些還是我們認知的隨意喔我想在這個部分基本上就是必須要去考量說在這樣子的一個架構底下對於本國人民 |
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下一題喔 |
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《中華民國憲法》第148條《中華民國領域內一切互應許自由流通》 |
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您是哪裡人?宜蘭人嗎?我是宜蘭人。我們也有很多走私的問題。我現在不是要問走私,我問中華民國境內,台澎金馬,我就問台澎金馬境內,兩岸人民關係的自由地區裡頭。你如果從高雄帶宜蘭雞蛋上來,請問你是不是應該要經過檢查?從宜蘭就好了,從宜蘭帶到台北,是不是應該要經過檢查? |
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經過什麼檢查?檢查看你這個雞蛋安不安全?檢查這個雞蛋有沒有病啊?檢查這個雞蛋帶了幾顆啊?食物上應該是沒有沒有嘛 對不對?你知道嗎?我給你看一下金門人的金門如果帶雞蛋到台灣島來要坐飛機嘛我們是要經過檢查的這個符合中華民國憲法嗎?那來我跟你說齁 |
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不只一樣 帶牛肉 帶豬肉 帶雞蛋好 我跟您說 如果牛肉你說 可能有一些什麼病菌啊 什麼 或什麼或豬的什麼口蹄啊 什麼豬瘟啊 這一點我說為了必要的這個一些防止其他的法醫的被侵害喔 這個我倒是還說 這個勉強我們來配合政府說怎麼來做 對不對 這樣子算才是可以接受啦但是 您知道嗎 在我質詢的那個時候 在兩年前 |
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屏東地區有禽流感金門地區沒有禽流感金門沒有禽流感沒有任何的 |
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請問在這個情況下從屏東到台北帶雞蛋來是不用檢查是沒有限制從金門到台灣來是被限制的是要被檢查的當然在有爭取後現在說放寬一點可以帶20顆啦但是我想請教這個沒有違反憲法嗎 |
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法定人數不足 |
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如果是這樣的話我修正我的講法如果事實是這樣的話如果是這個樣子那麼主管機關要做這樣的規範的時候就必須要負責舉證 |
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為什麼金門必須要受到不一樣的限制?這樣算不算一個國家內實行兩種制度?請問你這樣算不算一個國家內實行兩種制度?我不同意你不同意他實施這個制度還是你不同意這是一國兩制?我不同意在同一個國家裡面沒有特殊的公共利益的要求的時候去做這樣子的區分的限制 |
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所以現在的制度我跟妳講這都是事實現在的制度就是在一個國家內實施兩種制度你從宜蘭帶過來台北不用檢查我從金門帶過來就是要檢查就是要檢查而且金門沒有禽流感屏東那時候那時候還有禽流感他們還不用檢查你覺得如果你是身為離島的居民因為身為金門居民你不會覺得備受歧視嗎 |
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中華民國憲法增修條文第10條第12項 |
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國家應依民族意願保障原住民族之地位及政治參與.並對其教育文化、交通、水利、衛生、醫療.經濟、土地及社會福利事項予以保障.並輔助並促其發展其辦法令與法律定制.對澎湖、金門、馬祖地區民眾一同.這個是在憲法裡頭明文規定的.所以我們知道現在對原住民有什麼.原住民有原住民基本法.您知道嗎我知道 |
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那請問呢:在這個情況下:憲法竟然有這樣明文規定:如果金馬鵬民眾要訂一個金馬鵬人民基本法:您是否也覺得是可行的呢: |
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就是離島基本法或是金馬鵬人民基本法都可以如果要對離島的人民做特殊的保障我想我們憲法裡面其實並不是沒有依據的就是剛剛委員所提到的那些那我覺得不管是過去我想委員也知道過去曾經有離島條例的這些倡議的立法朝野都有很大的爭執 |
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然後呢這裡其實會涉及到的問題其實是一個所謂的資源分配的問題那我個人向來認為我是宜蘭人宜蘭有很多偏鄉我認為我們在偏鄉的保護上面或者是離島的保護上面呢的確呢是有在討論的空間所以我坦白講 |
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我不反對呢在金馬鵬人民的這個部分呢做一些呢比較架構性的基本權益的保障就像設立一個基本法嘛就是比如說原住民原住民有的這個原住民基本法客家居民有的什麼客家基本法那這個金馬鵬人民就是離島也設一個理論上這也應該我要問的是因為你是大法官的提名這樣有違反憲法嗎 |
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我其實不認為定基本法會有違反憲法的問題那這樣會有什麼問題嗎? |
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你支持這樣嗎?如果說有這樣的立法,你覺得是...如果我當立法委員的話,我大致上是可以支持的也是支持這樣的立法嗎?那這裡會有的問題是說基本法只是一個架構性的立法它必須要有其他的作用法,我想委員員是學法律的,應該知道必須要有其他的作用法來分配資源那作用法是不是合憲,就必須要用個案來檢驗 |
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後續當然我們這個相關法律我們在立法院裡頭會做充分的這個討論不過我是對今天一些部分的答案還算是滿意的第一個就是對於年金的這個部分這個當然可以定期的來做檢討就是政府跟立法之間可以定一下看是不是對人民的一些基本生存權有受到侵犯那第二點對於這個金門這個農業尤其是農業部違反了中華民國憲法148條中華民國境內會不會應該獲唱其流 |
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謝謝陳委員的詢問,也謝謝被提名的 |
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報告全院委員會上午會議進行 |