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| 委員名稱 |
張啓楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:31:18 - 09:51:17 |
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1199 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-12T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名張文貞、姚立明、何賴傑、陳運財、王碧芳、廖福特、劉靜怡7位為司法院大法官，並以張文貞為院長、姚立明為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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這陣子為了勞動部的霸凌案沸沸揚揚引起大家抗議的就是利益良善那句話結果發現你當選法評會委員的時候你們的這個評鑑裡面出現一句話 |
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這個懲戒法院的前院長李伯道退職他因為傳出所有適度性騷擾你部署你部署提出申戒之後司法院已經據狀向你們法官評鑑委員會做個案評鑑結果你是裡面委員之一法評會知道監察院率先彈劾李伯道之後才敢建議撤職更嚴重的是後面這句話 |
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李博大被控、霸凌、羞辱的你工友跟你科長結果法庭會頒出一個他任內改革有功,最後面那計畫非常的嚴重你是委員,你們那時候為什麼在評鑑的時候寫了這段話不具重大的惡意,沒有損及書法威信,所以評鑑不成立你在霸凌跟被霸凌者之間,你選擇站在霸凌者這邊嗎?關關相護嗎?當初怎麼會做這樣的評鑑? |
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報告委員大家知道法官評鑑委員會它是一個合意制的制度必須要全體委員去討論然後在做如果必要的時候做投票做決定那它有兩個階段第一個階段是有沒有成立第二個階段是說有沒有重大的情況 |
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大法官會議也是集體運作嘛你這個也是集體運作啊這裡面有人有意見喔周宇修他就迴避喔 |
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你是沒有迴避你是參與到底的啊我現在提醒你第一個你是選擇在霸凌跟被霸凌者之間你到底站在哪一邊這不是跟勞動部那個霸凌案子是一樣的嗎怎麼會出現不計重大惡意幫他偷墜嗎 評鑑不存在這是一個更離譜的還有第二句話你們還搬出說司法院曾經讚良李柏道任內改革有功你是寫法律的這何無邏輯嗎改革有功就可以霸凌嗎 |
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改革有功就可以霸凌嗎?李博道可以霸凌他的女工友、霸凌他的理科長?你們的報告裡面竟然說司法院說他任內改革有功所以憑藉不成立改革有功的人就可以霸凌別人嗎?這兩個點是不是都很嚴重?你現在是站在霸凌者那一方怎麼能夠同意你當的大法官之後? |
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你會捍衛人權嗎?捍衛被霸凌者嗎? |
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張啓楷議員 |
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你現在如果通過了大法官你現在是到大法官會議裡面去你是一樣的態度嗎? |
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你有沒有捍衛我們的人權嗎?有沒有捍衛、保護這個被霸凌者嗎?是,因為我再次說明,它真的是一個合意制的情況我不應該說出那個合意制的過程跟內容這是我不應該做的事情那我們的意見就透過這個意見去呈現 |
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你一直在強調你捍衛人權當然你看到兩個人被霸凌了 |
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你都沒有那個勇氣站出來幫他們講話我們怎麼相信你當了大法官之後你有那個道德勇氣貫徹你所謂捍衛人權嗎保障被霸凌者呢來我繼續看這次提名裡面很多人在討論的是你的政黨色彩你現在到底要準備要當憲法的守護神或者是守護者你是民進黨中央黨部仲裁委員會的主委 |
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你剛講的銀彈繃輕,民進黨執政黨的中央評委會不是這麼簡單的你在給我回答的這個問卷裡面你說無幾職你不參加政黨活動你看一下這個照片這張照片賴清德接任民進黨黨主席你是兼教人欸很重要欸第二個這是不黨務活動黨主席的 |
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賴清德從代理主席陳其邁．所上接下的印信就職典禮這是你黨務活動 |
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你不參加黨務活動這是黨務活動我跟主席 我跟那個委員報告就是說為什麼會由仲裁會主委來擔任主席的監事人就是因為仲裁會是一個獨立的機制他是一個獨立的機制因此由這個獨立的機制來擔任監事人那你如果定位你是不參與黨務活動的你就不要去參加這個嘛第二個你還參與了民進黨不分區的這個提名作業 |
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民進黨很重要你看一下你看這個媒體裡面對你的評價是怎麼樣法界人士說對廖福特的評價是很多見解都是台獨就是挺立的台獨派啊你今天站在這邊就是一個機會啊你要解釋清楚你要怎麼去化解人民對你的這個餘力啊政黨身材這麼重現在大法官本來形象很好為什麼現在一落千丈變成執政黨的打手嘛 |
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跟委員報告就是我剛才強調的就是因為他是一個獨立的機制那我進一步說明比如說仲裁會的委員的話他其實是由仲裁會委員自己去 |
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我更關心的是你看一下這個圖 |
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你身為中天幻照案的鑑定人7位鑑定人你看這樣一個時間序10點30分你們7個人都在除了你之外有沈博洋、林烈琴你看這些有功的人現在都當民進黨的立法委了你也坐在那邊我關心的是你到了下午2點04分的時候你不見了這裡面有兩個很重要的問題喔 |
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第一個你有沒有愧對你的職責你是鑑定人啊會開到五點你兩點零四分就不見了你以後當了大法官開會年一半要嘛不去要嘛就像這樣可以大跑嗎這是第一個第二個更重要的這一場換照也很重要嘛中天的法律代表一直問啊他說我想要詢問七位鑑定人啊啊你不在你不只愧對職責這麼重要的事情人家要問你 |
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我跟委員說明就我記憶所及因為我當天下午有另外的會議我已經事先跟NCC報告跟說明了說我當天在早上我可以參與可是下午我就沒有辦法參與 |
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那我記憶所及的是NCC有跟我們說就我們的鑑定意見是發表鑑定意見那可是並不會跟當事人鑑定人很重要耶 攸關了一個電視台要不要關台而且你要接受人家的詢問嘛 對不對結果那一天你們是負責要接受詢問跟鑑定的人人家要找你的時候你已經不在了這個愧對職守的同時現在什麼 高高在上嗎我們要不要審查要不要讓你過就是看這個嘛 |
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我沒有擔心到時候你會不會開會開一半倒跑嘛所以你看我從一開始談已經談了三個案子要嘛你在會上你沒有保護這個被霸凌者然後在這個會上面你沒有讓那個去人家要問你的時候你已經不在了這如果這個兩個場景如果出現在大法官的會議不是只有你丟臉了台灣人會不會很丟臉會不會是我在容許我 |
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我説明 剛才我説的第一點我已經事先跟NCC說了 因為我下午有會議第二個我記憶所堅持 當前其實反正你 反正剛剛講的你剛剛那個會你不表示意見你不重要那這個你可以請假就 你不重要嘛反正你隨時可以離開那第二個就是說 如果關一個電視台會不會關台 就以後你當個大法官你要決定多少關於人民生命財產安全的事情你可以隨時請假 可以隨時不在 |
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所以你不重要嘛你不重要嘛那天你在不在都不重要嘛可是後來電視台被關台了嘛對不對 |
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就算你如果當不當大法官也不重要嘛來我們來談廢死的這個事情廢死昨天有一個很重要的就是大法官宣布實施廢死之後第一個逃死的案子定讞了陳燕翔輪胎行這個縱火案燒死了8條人命8個都是他的至親可是他逃 昨天他變成無期徒刑了家屬非常絕望的吶喊 |
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妹們還不算情節最嚴重嗎?妹們還不算情節最嚴重嗎?還有施斗獎你教師隨機殺人啊不算情節重大大家看那個他的先生拿著他的遺物他上個禮拜來立法院參加公聽會 |
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他講到韓國瑜院長都忍不住都掉眼淚了我們在下面忍不住都哭了你在強調你是捍衛人權的可是我們現在看到的你捍衛是霸凌者的人權捍衛的是加害人的人權對霸凌者的人權在哪裡受到傷害的家屬的人權在哪裡 |
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我先問你一個很重要的情節他們一直在質疑說什麼叫做情節重大對不對你一直在強調你是重視人權的所謂情節重大這個部分是不是我來解釋一下剛剛那兩個案子八條人命不算情節重大你教室那麼悲慘他那個被敲擊那個過程 |
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那個密錄器敲的敲擊那個聲音讓人家心疼一個人一條生命的消失的過程多麼悲慘的事情那不是情節最重大嗎?怎麼樣才是情節最重大? |
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公民政治權利公約第6條以及第36號一般性意見他認為他這個詮釋之後認為公民政治公約第6條所謂警戒最嚴重的犯罪的話他應該限縮於故意殺人的部分由這個部分的話在公民政治權利公約的概念的話應該還是可以處死刑 |
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法定刑10年以上有期徒刑、無期徒刑、死刑各別個案應該尊重各別法官或合議庭 |
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所以就這兩個案子你認為都還不夠嚴重就對了所以你回答非常重要你是會使聯盟以前當過會使聯盟的執行委員 |
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所以今天才要讓你去回答這個問題到底現在所有的受難的家屬都在呼喊什麼叫做情節最重大你是廢死聯盟的執行委員大家希望從你嘴巴裡面聽到什麼是情節最重我問的最簡單的這兩個案子算不算情節非常嚴重很重大8條人命 |
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所以我剛剛問了你兩個具體的個案嘛現在全民最生氣的第一個 |
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888.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[36].text |
我們聽一下好不好那天在講的時候韓國瑜韓院長都流淚了他昨天 |
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913.508 |
| transcript.whisperx[37].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[37].text |
請錄影下個禮拜播出了我們看加害者心裡是有多痛前面一路判死就實在是他們看到這個是罪大惡極到最後沒有判死改成無期不是根據精神上的對調根據非情節最嚴重之罪我會 |
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934.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
所以這幾個字特別感冒是因為最高法院他是等到大法官事先出來最高法院 |
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945.625 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
970.901 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
兩個禮拜10月04號就馬上根據說不是犯最嚴重之罪所以從事情改成無解是這樣的所以我才要他們講清楚嘛你用這個判你一定要很清楚才對啊或者對我們被害人你怎麼可以心服所以我要他講清楚最高法案他就根據大法官有恃無恐很奇怪一個殺人犯值得國家動用這種 |
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972.202 |
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1000.724 |
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叫做蠻荒之力來替他做這些事情這個國家到底怎樣了我原先是不要饒恕動眾人都已經走了10年了而且現在定焉了後來他們牽動我的是一句話你要為後面的人著想後面的被害人就跟我一樣沒有地位在庭上你沒有辦法解問沒有辦法問對方你的補書書你講不完全你只有一次講話的機會 |
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法官叫你講話你直接拿來講話講不完全你之後的補述沒有人理你到最後我最高法院委員申請平意因為大法官你說要每一個人都每一個法官必須都贊成廢死或都不贊成都要一致決我就要申請平意被包圍理由是我不是當事人我是被害人家屬而且我是告訴的當事人 |
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1027.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
1031.248 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
被提名人心事多痛的話當殺人犯從死刑變成無期徒刑的時候他說 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
1058.953 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
1083.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
兇手跟法官也判了我們家無期的痛苦無期徒刑那個煎熬跟痛苦有多嚴重昨天同樣站在你這邊的另外一位被批評的人他說他辦過案子他說小孩子被殺害了母親跟著小孩一起死掉了母親跟著他受害的小孩一起死掉了 |
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1086.828 |
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1112.441 |
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在台灣受害者的這個家屬為什麼會像這個剛剛這個他講的沒有地位他講的都哽咽了他還提現在有幾個有多少個案子殺警案的姐姐也出來講你們現在碰到的困難就是以後我們要碰到的所有的家屬都這麼無助結果我們看到的你一直在捍衛這個在幫忙廢死聯盟在幫幫忙加害者的同時你有想過他們的困境嗎 |
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1114.377 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1115.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
我當然願意 如果有很好的機會的話 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
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我會安排這個事情好不好我希望不是只有你所有在幫加害者人權的人你們也要靜下來去面對面好好去傾聽被害者的家屬是多麼的痛苦另外一個我看你這個問卷裡面你對於廢死這個事情你一直都沒有表態嘛我一直在提醒你你是廢死聯盟的執行委員民眾要從你的嘴巴裡面立法院要從你的嘴巴裡面清楚的知道 |
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會死既然民眾有高達九成的臺灣民眾是不接受的現在臺灣民眾還在怕這種事情現在一堆本來判了死刑的最近可能會放出來人民是多麼的恐懼臺灣的馬路上出現可能有出現殺人魔這個事情要怎麼去補救這都大法官造成一堆的後遺症這問題多嚴重所以希望你站在被害者人權這邊站在被霸凌者這邊好不好不要只有高高在上 |
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1195.148 |
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1198.722 |
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好,謝謝張委員下一位我們請 |
| IVOD_ID |
158101 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158101 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-12 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-12T09:31:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-12T09:51:17+08:00 |
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