| IVOD_ID |
15808 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15808 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-15 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-15T08:31:42+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-15T14:50:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
06:18:18 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eaaf422f9e9122ef27a3e12858f6389dbb3be8d109af184be435c342686207be085ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-15T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請內政部部長、行政院主計總處副主計長、原住民族委員會、行政院公共工程委員會、交通部、交通部觀光署、環境部、勞動部、農業部、教育部、衛生福利部、經濟部、財政部、國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會、金融監督管理委員會就「0403震災之災後救助、重建規劃及補助方式」及「從東華實驗室失火事件檢討災害防救之完備化」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:31:42 - 14:50:00 |
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請主任秘書報告出席人數報告委員會出席委員14人以主法定人數好,我們現在開會進行報告事項請遵守上一次的議會意思錄 |
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1855.017 |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第10次全體委員會議一事錄時間113年4月8日星期一上午9時1分至13時8分地點紅樓202會議室出席委員蘇巧慧委員等13人練習委員鄭天才委員等6人請假委員麥玉珍委員 |
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列席官員﹐客家委員會主任委員﹐楊長政績相關人員、財團法人﹐客家公共傳播基金會董事長陳邦政績相關人員、大陸委員會主任委員﹐邱泰三績相關人員、行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員李應柔 |
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主席吳釗祺委員其名報告事項一 宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定二 邀請客家委員會主任委員率同所屬及財團法人客家公共傳播基金會董事長列席報告業務概況並備質詢報告事項與討論事項合併詢答客家委員會主任委員楊長正、大陸委員會主任委員邱太三報告 |
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委員蘇巧慧等18人質詢分別由客家委員會主任委員楊長政、大陸委員會主任委員邱泰三級相關人員及行政院主計總處公務預算處專門委員李易柔答覆說明決定一、登基發言委員除不在場者外其餘均與發言完畢宣達結束二、委員賴玉珍、徐晶瑩、陳冠廷所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報三、書面質詢及未及答覆部分請相關機關於一周內另以書面答覆並複製本會 |
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3.處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關客家委員會及所屬預算凍結案計6案4.處理113年度中央政府總預算案有關大陸委員會預算凍結案計3案決定報告事項3、4個案書面報告均已送達預算得以動之提報院會討論事項審查113年度中央政府總預算案有關大陸委員會預算凍結案計2案決議以上個案均同意動之提報院會宣讀完畢 |
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好 請問在場的委員們 藝術有沒有問題好 沒有問題好 我們這個藝術路確定 然後繼續進行本日的議程 我們請宣讀一下今天的議程 |
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1991.022 |
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重建規劃及補助方式及從東華實驗室失火事件檢討災害防救之完備化,進行專題報告並備諮詢。」宣讀完畢 |
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好謝謝我們先介紹今天的在場的所有委員們我們有張志倫委員以及麥玉珍委員 |
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2034.241 |
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國土管理署署長、吳興修署長 |
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2062.296 |
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2081.269 |
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國家公園署署長陳茂春、空中勤務總隊總隊長景淵、行政院主計總處副主計長陳慧娟、原住民族委員會公共建設處處長劉偉哲、社會福利處科長劉秀英、 |
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2090.993 |
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2114.887 |
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行政院公共工程委員會技術處處長曾鈞敏交通部綜合規劃司司長張垂龍公路局副局長林聰麗交通部觀光署副署長周庭章國營臺灣鐵路股份有限公司副總經理陳忠宏 |
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2116.792 |
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2127.434 |
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有在嗎?好謝謝看到了臺灣港務股份有限公司副總經理王派峰環境部化學署署長謝燕如勞動部勞動力發展署副署長鍾景濟勞動條件及就業平等司專門委員李怡萱勞工保險局組長吳美芸 |
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2146.372 |
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2168.885 |
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職業安全衛生署副署長楊中正勞動關係司科長金世平農業部農村發展及水土保持署副署長王靖倫農糧署副署長姚志旺農田水利署副署長林國華漁業署組長陳芬蘭 |
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2174.011 |
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2199.458 |
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教育部高等教育司代理司長朱俊璋資訊及科技教育司副司長邱仁傑技術及職業教育司專門委員陳育軍國民及學前教育署副署長許立堅衛生福利部社會救助及社公司司長蘇昭如 |
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2201.867 |
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2225.245 |
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財政法院震災基金會督導陳忠良經濟部產業發展署署長連錦章中小級新創企業署副署長陳密順商業發展署主任秘書郭瑜財政部負稅署副署長倪立新 |
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2228.41 |
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2256.637 |
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北居國稅局主任秘書沈榮權北居國稅局花蓮分局分局長潘惠玲國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會服務照顧處專門委員徐志平金融監督管理委員會保險局副組長許文君銀行局專門委員王立慧 |
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2258.322 |
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2259.424 |
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綜合委員會委員會委員會 |
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2270.479 |
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2297.718 |
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我們現在進行報告之前我們是不是請大家辛苦一下我知道大家最近辛苦了但是我們有罹難者有14位是不是我們大家先默哀一分鐘好嗎謝謝我們就起立來默哀然後一位這14位罹難者以及罹難人的家屬謝謝大家 |
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2333.665 |
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2355.007 |
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好 謝謝大家 大家辛苦了我希望大家以非常嚴肅的心情來做今天的專案報告以及回答我們立法委員的質詢我們現在先請內政部的林右昌部長來報告因為部長您相關的部會非常的多本席給您6分鐘的時間減速好嗎好 謝謝 請林部長 |
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2360.951 |
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2387.429 |
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主席、各位委員、還有各位女士先生今天陳貴委員會邀請90403震災之災後救助重新規劃以及補助的方式還有從東華實驗室失火事件檢討災害防救的完備化進行報告以下請提出本部報告請請各位委員指教 |
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2388.61 |
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2416.579 |
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在113年4月3日上午7點58分宜蘭縣南南東方25公里發生規模7.2的地震截至113年4月11日上午9點為止共造成全台17人死亡、1155人受傷、2人失聯本部所屬空中勤務總隊、國家公園署、國土管理署以及消防署應處如下 |
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2448.237 |
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首先在搜救組織的作為方面我們在4月3號的上午8時立即成立中央災害應變中心並且立即派遣國防部C113棟運輸機、空勤總隊直升機再送消防署、特種搜救隊以及縣市支援、特搜人員共計77人、5犬前往花蓮救災以及進行空勘的作業 |
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第二在台八縣收救作業方面在4月4號由本部消防署特收隊在太魯閣公路段成立前進指揮所另外也在台八縣建立行動通訊網路在4月5號的時候成功在洛少成立前進指揮所並且協助中華電信出動行動基地台車一輛恢復洛少地區的通信 |
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2488.933 |
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此外在10月5日在京英酒店架設地軌衛星通訊設備由本署特種搜救隊協助速發部恢復天翔地區行動通訊的網路 |
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2507.68 |
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在4月7日,我們從西堡國小、京英酒店、天翔地區共疏散撤離受困民眾,總計305人,也就是說從4月3日到4月7日短短幾天的時間,所有受困的民眾已經全數撤離 |
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2530.682 |
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另外持續搜救失業民眾從4月5日到4月11日為止沙卡湯步道累計搜救出6具大體目前尚有2人失聯另外河仁礦區中匯礦場尚有1人失聯對不起這一個部分已經找到了並且也已經做了這個處理 |
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2542.353 |
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此外,救援出動統計部分,截至4月10日累計出動各單位救災人力12,311人次、車輛機具1,051車次、航空器31架次、無人機5架次、載運救災人員127名、運送災民167人、物資運補3,176公斤 |
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2558.768 |
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2574.899 |
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有關於勤務總隊的應變作為部分為了把握黃金救援時間所以空氣總隊在衡量飛機油料性能狀況許可下盡可能的把救援效能極大化每一次直升機起飛均執行多趟救援任務 |
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2593.546 |
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例如運載收救人員的同時也同時進行物資的運補任務自113年4月3日至4月7日為止共救援救護人數28人運載人數150人共乘人數54人運送的物資重量達2806公斤總計飛行27架次起降84架次飛行時速達到59時40分 |
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在國家公務員署的應變作為部分在第一時間成立緊急應變小組並且封閉園區在官方的網頁、臉書、粉專、路面申請系統等發布訊息另外也清查園區內同仁的安全狀況投入遊客救援工作 |
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2642.137 |
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在災後復原部分在災後進行整個災害的一個勘察沿公路沿線交易到達的一個區域進行初步勘察並且透過無人機或者衛星影像評估交通受阻或者是在深山地區災損的一個情形 |
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2643.297 |
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2663.905 |
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部分設施需會同工程專業技師及相關人員勘猜,預估需要4-8週的時間來完成有關於恢復路源的時間表,因為各步道設施景點受損的狀況不易,據安全的考量,將會以安全作為優先,擬定分區分階段開放 |
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2694.265 |
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從4月12日起會優先開放河灣山區的步道以及小峰口、大禹嶺等油氣的據點登山活動的部分會從4月16起開放衛曲道台八線、中河公路的河灣山區、齊來山區、南湖山區、屏風山、酸門、丹宮縣之生態保護區的油氣行為的部分會先進行開放後續區域的部分開放資訊也會在相關的官網來更新公告 |
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2705.053 |
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有關於爭取災後重建復原的經費經過評估大約需要10億元的經費這我們會再跟行政院來提報需求 |
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2706.334 |
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2724.559 |
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有關於國土組的應變作為除了協調地方政府增調400餘名建築師及專業技師投入建築物緊急的評估截至4月11日為止在各縣市的評估總數已經達到1315件其中確定為紅單的有51件黃單的部分有92件這個請各位委員參閱會議的資料 |
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2751.49 |
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另外本部有接通租賃及仲介工會盤點可以釋出包租代管民間私有的房屋物件全台總計有屋簷1198間可以提供立即的租用另外對於提供耐震落成的補強補助 |
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2752.691 |
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2772.246 |
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只要是金張貼為紅黃單的集合住宅補助的比例從原本補強經費的45%大幅提高為85%補助的最高金額是450萬此外本部也提供300億中央擴大租金補貼依據地區還有家庭的狀況 |
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補貼的一個金額從每月2000到8000元另外弱勢身份可以再加碼1.2到1.4倍目前已經有306戶這個申請 |
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2786.192 |
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2810.42 |
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對於利息補貼的部分從今年開辦的自購住宅貸款的利息補貼優惠的貸款的利率我們的受災戶可以適用第一類優惠利率有足的兩年機動利率減0.533%目前是1.187%並且也可以搭配新青安的優惠貸款來運用 |
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2826.658 |
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有關於受災戶的緊急修繕的額度最高是80萬它的利率同樣的是適用我們第一類的優惠利率這個請各位委員參閱此外在於受災戶的住宅補貼方案 |
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2853.654 |
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我們除了提供從建構住宅的補貼利息還有修繕住宅的利息補貼還有租金的一個補貼補貼的額度呢3口以內的話從過去每年每個月的6000元提高為加碼2000提高為8000那4口5口以上以此類推最高的話是可以到8口每月補助18000元 |
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這部分也已經將相關的計劃函報行政院區域的部分刀掛有這個住民有結構安全性能評估的需求的話我們本部提供初步評估每棟是最高一萬五千元相平的話每棟補助 |
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2874.286 |
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2891.882 |
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保護度不超過評估費用的30%並以40萬元為上限如果要循都市危險及老舊建築物加速重建條例來重建的話補助重建計劃擬定費用每件上限是5萬5千元其餘的部分請各位委員參閱 |
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2893.343 |
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2917.729 |
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有關於消防署針對東華大學失火事件的檢討、精進作為的部分分成兩個方向第一個是宣導實驗室安全管理首先就是要落實學校實驗室的注意安全事項以及安全的指引這一部分教育部已經原本就在108年5月6日函送學校實驗室一般注意事項及安全的指引 |
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2918.869 |
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2936.895 |
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我想這部分後續要加強個效來強化化學品的儲存設施方法並依法設置沒有相關的這些設備此外是要選設適當的消防安全設備這部分也是依這個各類場所消防安全設備設置標準來進行設置 |
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2960.548 |
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另外在這一次的災害發生之後行政院在討論相關的一個課題同時也進一步強調要強化大學實驗室的自主防災的量能跟相關的一個演習跟訓練這是未來要來努力的方向 |
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2961.86 |
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2977.117 |
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此外都經濟火災搶救作為的部分那進水性的化學物質這通常是在實驗室裡面有存在許多的一個數量那它會伴隨著相關火焰或者是爆炸的現象 |
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2978.118 |
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2993.287 |
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那我們目前花蓮縣的消防局有兩輛的化學消防車車上是配有泡沫滅火設備可以撲滅油類之B類化學火災那本部消防署也已經計劃在116年及118年將會補助花蓮縣消防局構置化學災害處理車各兩輛也就是總計是四輛作為化學 |
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搶災偵檢以及圍堵防漏儲屋安全防護的後勤車輛以上是針對本部所寫的相關單位的一個檢要報告敬請各位委員指教謝謝非常謝謝部長檢要而且簡單的說明也讓大家清楚知道繼續我們再請一下交通部的張垂龍司長 |
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3057.635 |
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市長在嗎?因為我想這個對於交通部分大家還是非常的關心所以我們也讓您報告4分鐘好嗎?希望你能夠簡短一點然後二要重點謝謝主席各位委員先生交通部救災後救助措施及災後的復建重劃 |
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3058.939 |
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3069.686 |
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提出來報告在災後的救助協助措施和交通部主要提供汽機車監理業務全域照顧的措施其中是以補發汽車汽機車駕照 |
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3072.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
3101.024 |
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行車執照、牌照、登記書等六大項的業務提供減免規範延至到113年10月31日再提供受災理數業貸款信用保證部分觀光署定有交通部觀光署提供受災理數業融資相對信用保證要點來協助受災的業者來盡最快的取得融資或周轉金辦理災後的重建 |
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3103.705 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
3118.51 |
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委員、理事先生報告災後重建跟規劃在公路系統部分這次的地震造成公路局編號台八線、台九線、台九丁線也就是舊的蘇花公路 |
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3120.411 |
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3146.887 |
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臺11線花東海岸公路及臺14甲線等道路攤房經交通部相關公務段積極地搶災編號公路省道均已在4月7日12點前完成搶通的作業在臺9線的部分搶修的因應作為臺9線一共有6處災阻最比較顯著的就是在我們熟知的 |
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3166.221 |
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清水斷崖,那個是在道路邊馬158.6K的下清水橋的毀損,這個部分我們在4月6號18點完成單向開放小型車,在5噸以下的小型車通行,那在管制措施的部分,在台九縣 |
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3167.562 |
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3193.008 |
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從德乙北到大清水段這個部分大概有六七公里的範圍我們每天以開放三次的方式實施管制措施在台九線蘇花公路的附近剛剛跟委員會報告過了下清水橋的搶修我們在當天下午就清理在舊的路段提供受困的 |
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3193.995 |
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3211.114 |
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車輛能夠通行那岡邊橋的部分岡邊橋的部分在4月6號18點我們搶通5噸以下的小車通行那現在交通部公路局正在努力中正在努力中我們希望在下個月底5月底能夠讓 |
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3213.143 |
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3242.795 |
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重型車能夠通行鋼片橋整個橋樑的復建工作我們努力希望在今年的年底完成希望在今年的年底完成在台八線中橫公路的部分台八線中橫公路的東段也就是花蓮太魯閣道太魯閣道合歡山之間有將近70公里的位置有13個災阻我們在4月6號12點30分搶通那管制的部分管制的部分 |
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3244.507 |
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3264.892 |
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管制的部分我們在這個路段裡面也是用每日開放兩到三次的方式做交通管制復建的部分復建的部分在中橫的東段中橫的東段我們先辦理刷坡六個地方邊坡辦理邊坡的保護希望能夠 |
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3266.266 |
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3279.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[60].text |
保護行人及用路人跟行車的安全第二階段在住民的景點部分像九曲洞、墜入隧道、靜岩隧道有三個地方我們要讓行人 |
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3280.1 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].end |
3303.389 |
| transcript.whisperx[61].text |
交通便利以及景點的能夠維持用計劃要用鋼軌鋼鉤明隧道的方式來做復建這個部分我們希望在兩年半內能夠完成在中橫公路的西段也就是中橫便道的部分一共有24公里的範圍內有11個災阻我們在4月7號12點已經搶通那目前台 |
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3318.184 |
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37縣台八臨時便道還是在做管制的部分職工山上的住民、工程維護、緊急救難以及學術研究交通部、公路局預計在今天能夠開放 |
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3319.315 |
| transcript.whisperx[63].end |
3347.343 |
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比較重的車輛20噸的車輛能夠在接受管制的條件下能夠在今天能夠在中橫的變造來做通行的工作。鐵路的部分鐵路的部分比較顯著的是在北回線編碼51K、41K、36K也就是在行政區域花蓮、秀林鄉、崇德、河仁以及宜蘭的漢本有三個落實的部分 |
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3348.43 |
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3372.258 |
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經過鐵路局臺鐵路公司辛苦的工作我們在4月4號就完成雙向的通車完成雙向的通車那在場站的部分只有崇德車站越台受到局部的損失我們會再盡快的努力能夠在這個車站能提供旅客上下車的服務在山崗的部分山崗的部分花蓮崗在 |
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3374.256 |
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3378.203 |
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外港區包括東堤的延伸段以及西堤有編號17-25號碼頭一共有9個碼頭因為堤後的備填區域 |
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3384.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[66].end |
3409.475 |
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因為有土壤異化的現象有15公分到75公分不等的呈現港公司做的最競速的搶修目前裝卸的作業不受影響在復建的工作我們會在今年年底內完成4號有4座碼頭的修復在明年中以前完成5座碼頭的 |
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3410.476 |
| transcript.whisperx[67].end |
3413.159 |
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維持最基本的強化跟韌性有維生的功能 以上是有關在0403地震在這次 |
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3436.34 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].end |
3461.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[68].text |
救災過程交通部在指揮中心接受指揮中心以及行政院災防辦以及行政以及內政部消防署的指揮指導下協同工作請提出來我們的工作報告謝謝市長的報告跟說明請帶回我們所有人的關心跟謝謝給第一線的這個搶災的工作人員謝謝你市長市長 |
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3463.533 |
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3479.229 |
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我剛有請您帶回我們大家的感謝給第一線的工作人員謝謝您謝謝繼續我們請衛福部的司長衛福部因為這次震災基金會還有這個第一個慰問都是屬於衛福部的嫌疑也簡單扼要的說明謝謝 |
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3482.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[70].end |
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主席、各位委員今天大院的內政委員會召開全體委員會議本部呈要列席報告緊究0403震災之災後救助重建規劃跟補助提出專案報告進行委員指教在這個地震發生之後本部及加入這個救災的一個工作協調地方政府來辦理臨時災民收容及救助位住的調度事宜本部以及 |
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震災基金會也協助受災民眾秉持行政院指示從寬、從速、從簡的一個原則來辦理相關的技術措施簡化應備文件含請地方政府審核資格之後簡據相關的資料來辦理相關的措施包括 |
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本部發放因天然災害致死亡或失蹤各20萬元、重傷5萬元的災害慰問金、震災基金會發放因天然災害致死亡或失蹤40萬元、重傷10萬元的災害振助金之外,還有緊急救助、住宅重建或重構及失業兒童等相關振助的一個措施 |
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第2個部分在民眾就醫權益的保障本部的健保署也採取多項就醫權益保障跟保費減免的一個措施那民眾如果沒有辦法持健保卡就醫可以填寫例外就醫的名冊就可以以健保身份就醫如果這個健保卡損毀或遺失呢也可以免費來換發 |
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那另外針對行政院公告災區範圍的一個保險對象我們也補助因受災需要接受治療的一個費用包括自行負擔的部分醫療費用跟住院善施費等等那符合相關這個條件者包括什麼或失蹤或是符合 |
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未住經的一個標準者在今年4月到9月期間他應該負擔的健保費用也可以由中央政府來支應那如果自己已經墊付可以在門診急診治療當日或是出院6個月內來跟健保署申請和退自墊的一個費用第三在心理衛生重建的一個部分 |
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本部也在第一時間就開啟了1925的安心專線提供民眾電話心理支持並開設安心關懷站派遣專業人員提供心理支持那我們也協助花蓮縣的衛生局提報了0403的花蓮地震心理重建計畫 |
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針對災民、救災人員還有罹難者家屬提供安心講座篩檢、評估心理諮商還有追蹤輔導等服務所需的經費由本部來全額補助最後各位所關心的震災基金會募款的情形為了協助災民以及回應民眾的安心行政院責成本部所夾的公社、震災基金會 |
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公布了捐款的一個帳號來接受捐款募款的時間是4月4號到5月3號一個月所得的一個款項最新的訊息到今天我們統計是有收到將近9億元左右的一個經費我們會專款專用於受災民眾的災民援助 |
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緊急醫療、收容安置、復原重建等四大項目。」那這些就是在行政相關的費用會議由基金會自行來支應那最後我們知道天災沒有辦法預防那面對這個災害的來臨呢我們除了第一時間的一個應變希望把災害降到最低那災後的一個重建跟救助也十分的一個重要那未來呢中央會持續的攜手地方以及民間團體 |
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協助災民可以早日回歸正常的生活。」本部呈大院委員的指教跟監督謝誠也請委員繼續給予致辭以上報告 |
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其他當中的報告我們請委員自行參閱並且刊登公報我們現在進行詢答委員質詢前原力做幾點宣告本會委員發言時間是8分鐘必要的時候可以延長2分鐘 |
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非本會委員發言時間是8分鐘上午10點30分截止發言登記臨時提案截止提出的時間是10點在本會委員詢答完畢之後我們來做處理請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有好 謝謝美會委員現在我們就請第一位詢答的麥玉珍委員發言 |
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全國各地的災情慘重所以我們大家感到很悲痛這次地震 |
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造成800多棟的建築損害疏散2000多人現在有1000多戶無家可歸需要安置請問部長我們已經有很多年的對地震的經驗所以該怎麼樣協助安置我們這些災民 |
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好 謝謝委員你現在這個表上面這是EMICEMIC是我們在中央災難醫療中心在災情發生的當下各縣市回報出來的一個狀況那目前災民收容的部分都已經陸陸續續回家那還有需要做安置的基本上就是他的建物毀損沒有辦法再拘留 |
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那這一部分我們提供的是一個多元的租屋的一個方案這邊跟你做簡單的報告多元租屋的方案大概是幾個部分第一個是由民眾自行去租房子那一親也可以一親一朋友都可以 |
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那這是由我們來提供租金的一個補貼以它的一個人口數來做計算那過去3口的話是6000那這次特別提高這個加碼到8000從8000開始起算那4口的話就是8000再加2000以此類推那最多就是到8口可以到18000每一個月的租金補貼 |
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那張明如果依靠親友的話有租約他也同樣可以適用這樣子的一個租金補貼方案這第一點跟你報告 |
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社會住宅包租代管也出動主動來媒合租屋同樣由政府來提供租金補貼租金補貼的額度如前述所述的額度萬一你沒有辦法自行租屋的話這是由我們政府來出面協調旅館民宿業者提供月租的方案 |
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並且還有更重要的是我們會提供給旅館還有民宿業者他們提供給受災戶租用的獎勵金來鼓勵他們目前調查已經有超過500間的房間可以來提供大概可以超過1000多人的租屋的需求 |
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那另外日前這個縣政府這邊有提出所謂新建組合屋的需求這部分也請縣府在多元需求的這種狀況之下去統計它相關的一個數量那中央也會來給予協助好 謝謝部長我們重建組合屋要很多很長的時間所以我們這一次會不會比照921災後重建條例來去做組合屋 |
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是不是要有一個條例我想這個部分看它有沒有實際的需求也就是縣府這邊把相關的一個災損跟它全部的一個需求統計調查完成之後這個在做可以做進一步的一個討論我想方向上是這樣子第二個組合屋的需求的民眾因為最重要的是我們的災民 |
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他有可能有不同的這個需要他可能自己可以去租或者說他剛剛在講他住旅館、飯店也可以但最後最後災民如果有新建組合屋居住組合屋這樣子的一個需要的話那花蓮縣政府可以把它整個數量統計出來之後我們可以來做一起的努力這部分是沒有問題的那一天也跟縣府有跟他們明確做說明跟表達 |
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謝謝部長,再次地震在我們的花蓮災情嚴重所以剛才我聽到部長說我們是有紅線跟黃線的警示單請問部長,你們有沒有盤點30年以上的房屋有多少棟? |
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30年以上的房屋全國對因為地震就是我有經過921地震因為30年以上的房屋應該是沒有就是防震的措施所以你有去統計嗎有盤點嗎 |
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我想這個之前統計過大概有450萬那不過這一次的災情比較嚴重因為集中在花蓮然後另外新北市的土城地區有比較多的建物受損那如果有需要這個重建的話基本上現在我們貼紅單的部分這個是有40幾 對不起 |
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貼黃單的部分現在是有51洞或者51間他不一定是一整棟他有可能是透天的所以大概是有51間那另外是貼黃單的有92但是貼黃單的不代表說他不需要重建因為這個還是要經過相關技師的一個評估如果有重建的需要的話就會把他納進來 |
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這樣是不是有一個長測性的重建單位進行這樣子的補強的業務規劃是我想這部分機制本來都在那我們現在也已經有委託這個國家地震中心來協助相關的一個評估的事宜所以我們是30年以上的房子應該要進行全面盤點要檢查 |
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這樣才能減少很多的災難跟委員報告一下剛剛有跟你說明全國的話有450萬戶可以去協助的話這樣子的話就會就是全面去重建這樣的話可以加速因為我們台灣就是常常地震這個部分所以我們要有一個具體的辦法 |
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委員跟你報告我們本來的機制都在我們平常都有補助地方政府他如果有內政補強等等他可以來跟政府申請不過並不是30年以上的房子他就是危險的房子所以如果有需求在台中中區都跟 |
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這都有做,這個我了解,但是說我們要如何協助這一些我們就是30年以上的房屋有真的有個協助來去申請,像我們台中的中區那邊都是老舊房屋但是不是說每一個市政府的單位都是真的去協助去跟我們的 |
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朱呼要求說我們政府有這樣子的一個補助、一個宣傳是宣傳不夠的是,這個也要請地方政府多努力是,所以就是要你的工作啊但是你要發卸任了所以地方政府的工作也是中央要去監督是,我們其實都有那大家一起來努力是是是所以我們謝謝我們部長我們有請勞動部 |
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請勞動部謝謝部長謝謝署長 |
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謝謝部長因為我們災情會影響到就是我們的工作因為現在目前我們是不是有一個地震後很多企業都停業了所以影響到我們很多的就是失業保障所以我們如何去促進 |
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我們的災民的就業還有很多就是在花蓮也很多新住民、移工他們也失業了所以這個部分的話我們如何去保障我們的銜接到我們的就業還有創業還有就是保障我們的災民的就業 |
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這個部分要請問跟委員來報告我們分兩個部分來跟委員說明第一個部分如果這個失業單位他受到影響他做減班休息也就是他沒有歇業那我們會針對他減班休息的期間提供訓練單位這個失業單位給他鼓勵他來幫員工辦訓練給他訓練費的補助 |
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那這些員工來參加減班休息來參加訓練的話給他每小時的訓練的津貼這是第一個部分第二個部分如果他歇業了官場歇業了那這些勞工失去了工作那我們第一個呢我們有我們的公立就業服務機構直接會跟這些非志願離職者做 |
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連絡提供個別化的服務也包括他是新住民的朋友我們會為他做就業媒合遇到像這一次有幾個單位像漢品、善悅村這樣比較大量來支遣勞工的部分我們會做專案的就業媒合直接找廠商來提供就業機會為他們做個案的就業媒合服務以上 |
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這樣我請教一下像移工他是用我們的勞基法不同這樣子的話我們就是這個是天災我們勞動部有什麼措施是跟委員報告那目前還沒有發現我們有移工的朋友因為這次的天災所以他的工作上面已經受到影響所以必須要我們協助去做一些轉換僱主等等的服務 |
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但是呢如果有的話我們也都會來提供第一個如果說移工朋友他因為這樣子必須要轉換雇主那我們就提供專案的來協助他來進行相關業別的轉換除了轉介雇主以外因為我們現在是天災嘛勞工都有補助像說移工他也是我們的勞工這樣子他我們政府有沒有這樣子的一個針對就是移工來做 |
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一些措施的補助是跟委員報告因為移工雖然他不是我們的國民但是呢如果確實有這樣的狀況第一個他失去了工作我們會進行他工作上的安置生活上的安置那另外在最快的時間之內提供他轉換那到現在是沒有掌握有受傷的移工目前是沒有掌握到有這樣的個案如果有的話那我們會依照 |
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因為它也都是適用我們國內的勞保條例、職災保護的相關的條例規定所以我們會提供相關的職災的或勞保相關的協助謝謝好,非常謝謝麥玉珍委員的質詢謝謝副署長請麥玉珍委員代理主席,謝謝 |
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接下來我們要請我們高金委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席在我質詢之前呢在這裡先向第一線的救災救難人員致上深深的謝意辛苦你們了在救災的同時呢也希望你們能夠保重自己的安全跟身體的健康也謝謝這些家屬們的這個的願意奉獻你們的另外一半來參加這個救援的工作非常的感謝 |
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謝謝繼續呢我想要請一下衛福部的這個司長還有財團法人震災基金會的督導還有園民會的公建處的處長請你們三位都上台一下為了節省時間我先詢問一下衛福部裡面有財團法人震災基金會重大天然災害災民震災核給要點 |
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不管是死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、住宅重建的震住你們知道嗎?你們從97年起額度都沒有改變過市長你覺得是不是應該檢討?97年前是40萬現在也40萬現在物價飛漲了而且這麼多年以來都沒有改進然後我們的震災基金會 |
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其實每一次重大災害的時候都有非常多的金額像這次您報告的有9億多請問一下我手上的這個資料是全各地方政府都有嗎還是我請你們到辦公室的時候才提供給我的請問一下這是公共工程委員會給我的對嗎我們暫停一下時間 |
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0403花蓮震災災害救協助事項一兩表2024年4月4日9點修訂 |
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內政部會長的資料上面看到的除了衛福部的災害慰問金、死亡慰問金每個人發給新台幣20萬之外這是衛生福利部給的對吧?然後剩下死亡、失蹤、重傷、緊急救助、失憶兒童或是緊急物資贈助或是住宅重建的重構贈助或是住學金補助都是你們震災基金會要做的事情對嗎? |
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震災基金會有這些項目,但是剛剛成儒……督導在嗎?震災基金會督導請您回我一下,你們這次募集了9億然後97年當中這些金額都沒有改變過或者是04、03你們有特別的金額補助 |
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我跟委員報告一下請你簡單的說明回答我就好是沒問題我們原則上這是一個法定震住但是我們募集到其他的資源的時候我們會以專案震住的方式來提供協助你們這次是用專案嗎你們給我的報告是0403專案而且呢專案9億就必須用在0403這次花蓮的震災對吧 |
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還是移額完畢之後你們還會去用到別的地方所以我請你回答我問題啊你這個死亡只有40萬你們有9億欸你覺得現在按照你們給我們的死亡失蹤還有你們這些修繕你們沒有修繕喔 |
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我這個也是要提醒您的現在的災民其實最大的一個感受就是我感受的天災我的政府除了一般在政府機構協助我的之外我還有沒有一般在震災經濟會你們從外面募集不管是國內外的錢來協助我們災民可以解決這次的災害 |
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簡單回應報告委員我們還有其他包含復原重建包含緊急收容安置這些我們真的已經有你現在告訴我的上面都有啊所以我現在問你是不是專案專款專用所以這個9億甚至於到31號以前可能會多出9億你們全部都會放在災民的身上而不會放在公共工程的身上 |
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我們會全部用在災民身上好 所以這個災民我剛剛問你了97年你都沒有調整過金額是不是應該考慮提高了是 跟委員報告這個部分要不要調整的部分我們已經在研議當中了已經在研議多久會讓我們知道我們要召開董事會來進一步我們董事會什麼時候開始 |
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4825.324 |
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你們的善款都是來自於各界喔你們要好好的跟各界報告喔而且我清楚知道從921大地震之後有一些餘款你們就開始用然後再用行政院的第二預備金2000萬然後才會一直到97年的時候成立這個基金會然後這個基金會當中97年到現在有那麼多的重大的災害有那麼多人的捐款 |
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4840.697 |
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雖然我們在網路上看到你們每一筆每一筆的支出但是有沒有真正用在災民或者是這一次災害最嚴重的災區的地方你們是要檢討的好不好請你們檢討市長什麼時候告訴我你要檢討 |
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什麼時候會有決議?我知道非得用在因為是專案、專款、專用一定會用到但是你們的比例你們的所有的動機你們的董事會有沒有重新開會還是97年以後就從來沒有開過會?對嘛!所以我要你們一個月之內 |
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4898.432 |
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趕快讓我知道你們什麼時候要調整0403的你們來自於世界或國內的所有的捐款你們要怎麼用好嗎謝謝還有檢討請原民會原民會的輔助原住民避難救難實施要點92年也沒有調整過然後原住民的天然災害原住民的住宅重建補助最後要點你們100年以後也沒有調整過報告委員這議員檢討已經報告行政院去了 |
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好,什麼時候可以完成?等月合定之後就可以實施好,我們看到你委員會裡面有災害救助、有臨時工、有重建、修繕、融資、紓困看到這麼多,除了災害救助之外,其實都是你們平常在做的對,我們用公務運算一環計期 並不是0403,對不對?我們用公務運算一環計期 那請問一下,你的臨時工每個小時183塊,每月最高150小時,最長兩個月,跟勞委會有什麼不同? |
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還是我們可以折一?所以老委會上面也不是你0403的專案嗎?如果老委會它的額度用完的話可以再繼續用我們的額度什麼意思?你們只有兩個月啊請問一下老委會你們是幾個月?你們安心上工?應該在0403你們也有一些措施嘛,對嗎? |
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是跟委員報告我們針對這個震災0403請你簡單說就好了你跟原民會之間的分工是怎麼分工法原民會針對原住民勞動部這邊完全不分對象別原住民我們也接收所以原民會是最長兩個月你是半年所以我的原住民的身份我既可以到勞委會也可以到原民會的意思嗎只要時間不重疊是可以的 |
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那我如果是原住民的話,我就希望是勞委會,你們這半年啊,原民會就兩個月啊跟委員報告,我們委員的六個月是臨時工作津貼,但是我們針對0403的震災,我們目前有一個專案那請您簡單告訴我,我如果是原住民身份,我0403我要去原民會還是去勞委會我認為都可以,現在我們勞動部好了那委員會就兩個月啊,原民會就兩個月啊 |
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沒關係就在我們這裡而且我們必要都可以延長所以處長你們是要檢討一下你這裡就兩個月你是不是也是應該是半個月半年跟老我會一樣你才會有你的所謂的專案啊你根本不是專案啊然後再來求重建修繕每戶11萬塊我們都有兩個月只是他們可以延長 |
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所以等於就是說我到了原住民身份到了原住民這邊拿了兩個月之後我還可以去勞務會拿半年嗎請你要講清楚不要讓外界認為我們是有非常多的好處不能重疊只要原民會去申請就不能夠到勞務會去申請的意思嘛 |
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然後呢我們的原住民的族人我現在要講請兩位注意聽一下我希望以災民要有類別的區分比如說死亡的比如說他是在職工作的比如說他的受災很嚴重的而不是全權交給地方去處理名單報給你了你們就往上報你們可以去審核審核一下 |
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原民會、勞委會可以嗎?第一線可以去審核一下嗎?我們受災民眾優先派工受災民眾那原民會呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[138].start |
5073.293 |
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受災民眾是怎樣分別、類別?只要地方政府認定他有認定災民身體有礙就是你知道長期以來原住民地區最大的一個困擾就是地方政府全權處理變成綁裝的一個工具真正受害的這些災民們並沒有真正感受到你們是不是要分本別類而不是這麼大向的告訴大家我是什麼人都可以來 |
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5122.307 |
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檢討一個月之內給我還有修繕部分修繕部分每戶最高11萬請問一下住宅修繕這次的災民有特別嗎還是他是低收入戶者才行一般的災民都行嗎只要認定是認定有案災民都可以來那他如果不是低收入戶者也是可以嗎我們可以專案來處理 |
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5150.518 |
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到底有沒有專案?如果他是違建可不可以?你也知道百分之九十幾只要出去里長證明他有居住事實就可以好再講清楚一下原住民如果要修繕應該怎麼做?請你簡單說明他第一個他如果涉及在他的戶籍門牌然後他即使不是有房屋的建造但是他只要有居住的事實經過里長認定就來可以申請所以不需要一般低收入戶一般三名都行 |
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只要他認定有毀損都行你今天要負責任大家聽好了現在請內政部長謝謝部長我們剛剛看到以衛福部正在基金會和人民會救助標準和申請的流程我還沒有包括國土署的居住協助和其他部會的救助措施我知道今天在場的各位部會都有成立單一倉庫可是每一個部會的單一倉庫坦白說這一張 |
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五頁我是立委和我的助理我們都看得不傻傻了你們裡面有非常多的優惠的措施還有一些補助的要點我覺得我看了都覺得很複雜更何況是身心受創財產損失的災區民眾我們要求中央災害防救業務主管就是內政部部長雖然我知道您即將離開這個位置 |
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但是希望您離開之前能夠幫我們統整0403花蓮震災的復原重建工作好不好 |
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委員跟你報告陳璐你剛剛在講因為跟災民直接對口是地方縣市政府那中央因為這個是負責政策的部分然後中央人力也非常有限所以實際在此前面的部分你們所以可以跟地方政府合作嗎當然當然你一個當選口嗎因為我看到衛福部你們就有電話在裡面然後退福會有退福會的電話 |
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國土署有國土署的電話今天我如果是災民的話我索性如果看到這一張的話我還可以知道我中央找誰如果我到地方去地方政府都已經忙得焦頭爛額了他還會去負責那麼有耐性的跟災民說你必須怎麼處理這今天的事情嗎所以我的問題是在這裡是委員你手上的那一張是由行政院的災防辦在彙整各部會的這個資源災防辦 |
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是這是災防辦那所以這部分當然提供給縣市政府跟中央的一個對口所以民眾不知道嘛所以民眾我已經受災了我身心受創了我還要到地方政府去地方政府他恐怕也是焦頭爛額了這焦頭爛額的狀況之下我災民都已經那麼受傷了然後再沒有耐心的公務人員那真的是身心俱平 |
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希望我們的官員除了在第一線的救災之外希望你們能夠苦民所苦然後按照救災之後怎麼樣輔助這些災民好嗎再給我一點時間謝謝我要講東華大學請問一下東華大學教育部也請上台環境部也上來一下 |
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5308.209 |
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東華大學我們看到它是屬於第一類金屬火災請問一下第一時間我們當然不願意我們的消防人員再進去受災難請問一下校方跟我們的地方政府跟消防署有沒有第一時間聯繫請教育部 |
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委員好火災發生的當下在7點58分發生火災到7點10分就出現我的意思是說教育部在平常你核准學校有這個理工化學這樣子的一個辦公這個實驗室的時候你們平常有沒有防救災或者是有沒有跟第一線政府知道你們裡面擺的是什麼東西就我知道 |
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你們是屬於D類的對吧D類的只有那個粉的可以請問一下當時沒有對不對當時沒有對不對所以就眼睜睜看著東華大學就這樣燒掉了對嗎根本報告學校在設實驗室的時候都有報防災計畫那你們橫向聯繫有聯繫的夠嗎地方政府有配備這樣子的東西嗎請問消防署署長你們跟教育部有橫向聯繫嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[151].end |
5396.034 |
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教育部在3月20號特別針對學校的消防安全沒有平常在0403沒有地震之前你們清楚知道東華大學的化學實驗室裡面就屬於是B類的這些防災的嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[152].end |
5416.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[152].text |
我們平常學校會報消防防護計畫那為什麼這次東華大學因為我沒有看到教育部你有什麼反省或者是消防署你們有什麼反省就眼睜睜看著東華大學的化學實驗室就要燒掉而且現在要花那麼多錢在復原你們有什麼的因應措施未來 |
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5417.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[153].end |
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這兩個部分一個是學校接下來要做自主防災的一個處理這是已經確定之前有沒有之前是消防防護計畫但是消防防護計畫這個範圍可能稍微小一點這個部分我們擴大那另外一個消防部分消防車幹部長專案報告裡面 |
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化學災害處理策略在未來會議今天只是點出問題來因為不僅僅是東華大學各縣市政府有非常多的大專院校裡面都有理化工的實驗室如果我們不能夠以東華大學的這樣子的一個案例作為未來檢討的方向的話我覺得我們的以後 |
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不需要再受到這樣子的一個災難所以請問一下消防署請問一下教育部環境部你們同意我的說法嗎請問部長謝謝您願意開一個專案嗎跟委員報告這個院長在主持相關的會議的時候就有做非常清楚的一個指示因為院長自己也是科學家這個指示是什麼 |
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這個指示就是有這個大學院校裡面有這個化學的實驗室的話他的一個防災的相關的準備的工作包括他的一個器具跟資源這個必須要做整體的一個檢討跟強化這個院長有特別指示 |
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所以我今天看到問題跟院長是一樣的那今天時間有限而且涉及的部會非常多我沒有辦法一一的在這邊詢問問題但是我也提出臨時提案對於這個東華大學臨時提案我要求內政部在114年預算編列要充實 |
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第一類金屬火災的煤火器和消防車的經費我們也請教育部要盤點化學系是否有完善的設施設備要跟內政部的消防署地方政府建立橫向的聯繫和安檢的機制 可以嗎好 謝謝大家 謝謝謝謝我們高經委員 謝謝各部會長官我們有請習宇珍委員 |
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請徐議政委員質詢,謝謝主席,我們請內政部林右昌部長我們請林部長,謝謝 |
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委員好部長好我想最近我們因為0403的這個震災內政部的同仁大家都辛苦了我想在這次救災的過程中大家都站在第一線希望能夠把災害降到最低那這邊本席要救這次的這個 |
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有關0403震災的這個相關的報告請教一下林部長就是有關剛剛您報告的就是我們的內政部清查建築物的受損狀況到4月11號為止是總共1315件那紅單有51件黃單有92件那當然就遍佈在6個縣市那目前的話請教一下部長不知道現在是不是有更新的數字 |
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這個是最新的數字最新的數字是1315件那請問一下就是我看到我們現在有30項的救補助方案嘛針對租屋需求的話政府可以提供補助大概8000到1800一人口數那請問一下受災戶如果他本來就是租屋族的話那他可以有補助嗎 |
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對 只要是他有居住的事實就可以有補助只要是有居住的事實就可以有補助所以就是他即使是更為弱勢的租屋主也是可以受到這個租金的補助是嗎是 因為他就是受損的災民好 謝謝 |
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那另外就是想請教一下那個部長就是說在這次房屋出現了很多的問題所以根據媒體報導營建水泥等產業界認為短期恢復災損規模的預估要百億元起跳長期來看可能要花費數千億那4月8號的時候我看到政府院長在主持跨部會的會議的時候有提到過就是災後的復原重建所需的經費 |
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財源的籌印必須一次到位。」那我想請教一下目前就是我們初估出來的災損的重建金額大概是多少? |
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跟委員報告它會分成幾個部分第一個是災害發生的時候我們搶救災第二個現在是在收容然後現在是要安置那接下來是重建另外這個復原那重建跟復原的部分它會涉及相關的部會我想最大的經費可能是交通部的部分就是交通的部分 |
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我們自己的話就是國家公園我們自己國家公園出估當然是會有超過10億不過這個因為現在災區都還有相關的一個這個餘震的這個狀況所以這個還要進行等比較穩定之後還要再進行更細緻的所以就是客戶會加總起來可能就可能也許會從 |
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可能達到數百億到數十億都有可能嗎?因為後續的一個重建包括在這很多危老然後很多的這些紅單黃單的這些相關的危險建築物有可能後續都還有很多需要補強還有很多需要做改建啊各方面都可能這個相關的費用目前的話等於說跨部會還沒有提出來所需要的相關經費是嗎? |
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我跟委員報告剛剛在提到的建物的重建目前有需要的是51間但是它不是每一個都是每一棟它也有單間的所以這個金額不一因為後續有重建的程序 |
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重建的部分後續主要的資金來源會從震災基金會還有包括縣政府的相關捐款另外就是我們的住宅基金這個跟我們要重建復原可能會使用到公務的預算這個是分開的請問這樣的經費夠嗎?您剛提到的 |
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因為剛講的嘛那個震災基金會大概是9億的捐款嘛對您剛提到這樣個購我們來針對所有後續包括重建的部分是跟委員報告震災基金會的部分因為它是一個基金會它有一個董事會的一個機制那它會是這次0403捐進來多少錢這些錢全部都要用在0403的這個震災跟相關重建的費用上面但是震災基金會它目前還有本金 |
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他自己現在還有本金所以必要的時候也可以動用我剛提到其實最後重建的經費要花費很大的一筆數目尤其不是只有花蓮可能台北新北也有很多這樣子的問題所以這個部分請問政府打算編列多少的預算進行災後重建 |
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委員會報告剛剛在提到的我們的其實本來的機制還有包括震災的這個捐款還有包括本來的基金會其實都有錢像現在的那個震災基金會應該還有三四億的一個本金另外剛剛在講的重建是否足夠支援這一次0403的相關後續重建的經費 |
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譬如說像臺巴縣的一個重建它需要的時間會很長那我相信未來中央部它會逐年的去編列預算就像過去中橫公路或者南橫公路的這個計劃是一樣的工建預算就可以來cover工建預算就可以來cover |
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本席在這邊要求是不是可以用年度就是編列這個年度的預算先匡列之後然後再一次編列分期執行就是有關在0403的一個特別的這個經費是這部分行政會員會再做進一步的一個整合謝謝 |
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那再來就是有關在這一次的這個地震我們也看到很多其實大家都很擔心自己住家的問題尤其是很多住在雙北的根據在2013年的時候就提出說在台北市發生規模7.3級的地震恐怕會有3萬5千棟的房屋倒塌而且我們最近統計的這個這個有關全國平均屋齡大概是32年然後其中 |
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臺北市的屋齡大概是37.6年另外它的20年以上的住宅佔比也達79.2%佔6都之冠所以目前而且我們現在地震中心也研究在未來的50年會再發生規模7.0以上的強震大概也有54%的機率所以針對這樣子這麼多可能還有 |
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沒有辦法面對下一次如果有大戰的時候的這些建築的話請問一下針對老屋是不是可以先要求進行強制的建整 |
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跟委員報告因為房子都是屬於個人的一個財產那我們是不是能夠強制要求他做建設我們還是比較呼籲民眾因為現在我們政府都有補助然後這個也一直做宣導那我們希望這個民眾可以提出來針對他自己的房子來做建設的一個工作我剛講的是有危險有立即危險或是有相關的是不是我們這部分應該要提早預防 |
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如果它是有危險那就是變成要另外的處理另外還有這次天王星倒塌就是典型的軟腳下的建築物那針對全國這樣子的軟腳下的建築物是不是要請專家能夠再提供就是我希望我們政府能夠做到全面普查針對這方面的能夠提供補強的一個建議那是不是可以這個請 |
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這部分其實專家還在做鑑定我想我們會以這個鑑定來做一些相關的檢討那你提到的軟腳蝦的建築的這個事情其實也不是今天才有 |
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大樓軟腳下大樓,立即倒塌。」 |
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做一些努力不過我20秒跟你報告一下因為建築物它是不是軟腳狹它這個會因為它的建築的基地的形狀會有影響像這一棟的話因為它剛好在轉角所以它那個轉彎的另外一角它是圓弧形的這個都會影響到這個有關這個部分的話我覺得當然專家學者比我們更清楚我覺得這個部分我們應該全面的來檢討 |
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然後另外就是由於少子化跟年輕人從事營建業意願不足所以我們可以看到從你們110年提出的這個調查報告來說全國勞工空缺的總人數有118102人那其中又以模板工、泥水工、鋼筋工、缺工最多所以也反映一般傳統的常駐工法的困境所以呢根據國內外的文獻調查我們現在建築 |
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工程如果採用預出工法可以減少20%到50%的人力跟工企可以有效解決人工短缺的問題也可以提高也可以帶動我們的這個營建業的升級我想請教一下部長就是說我們內政部在113年2月22號有訂定發布了建築物 |
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預出率評定專業機構申請指定作業要點跟建築物預出率申請評定作業要點那從2月22號裡面寫說生肖日期例行公佈那但到現在都還沒有公佈本席有問建築研究所他說由國土署決定問國土署國土署有說由建築研究所決定那這樣對於兩個都在內政部的單位互踢皮球請問部長 |
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到底是誰來決定施行的日期?這個應該是我們建言所的部分我再來瞭解一下再跟委員做回報我請吳署長做說明 |
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跟委員報告因為建研所負責的就是它的一個申請評定的作業要點那它是在技術單位那行政部門的話大概是放在我們署的這個都更的這個榮記獎勵辦法裡面那這目前已經在作業當中我們希望再建立一個但是從2月22號到現在已經快要兩個月了那這個公布的日期生效日期都還沒公布不是是在我們的這個榮獎的那個辦法裡面要去做修正 |
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那這個在今年會提出來因為它涉及到修法所以還要再等你們修法之後那為什麼我們打算去跟貴單位國土署請教的時候去說這次建築研究所對 它是負責評定也就是它負責這一塊那我們是負責把它放到容積獎勵的項目去 |
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主席可不可以再給我一分鐘的時間現在就是我們國土署剛剛講到還有建築研究所目前國土署的這個負責全國建管這個業務的建管組就25人 |
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那目前編織是25人目前只有18人還有17位是非正式員工建築研究所的正式職員就有47人法定編織就5388萬平均每個人不包括獎金就115萬年度的執政施政亮點各位可以看到還停在110年 |
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所以本席認為這個建築研究所的委員長等退休的這個心態若不改的話本席建議全部歸建並入國土署的建管組不曉得部長同不同意他們兩個的業務是完全不一樣的這個委員跟你報告他其實是一個技術的一個部門跟單位其實他還有包括好多的包括建材的實驗等等的一個研究室 |
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我日前其實才到台南去看過,如果有機會其實也可以去參加就知道他們的一個相關的工作,會更清楚。」我想針對一個在已經三年了提出執政亮點的這個建築研究所是覺得其實應該要來協助我們全國的這個建管地震檢查也許可以創造更多的效益啦所以請部長一個月內是提供給這樣資料給本席好嗎?好的好,謝謝好,謝謝宇峥委員,謝謝部長,謝謝繼續我們請黃建斌委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席 也請內政部長 |
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這位委員好部長早安部長早部長首先好像對於我們4月3號發生的這個花蓮地震感到非常遺憾那首先也要謝謝部長及所有救災的弟兄在第一時間前往花蓮災區來協助就在本席靠岸記者會之後部會這邊也即刻的反應來協助我們花蓮的這些鄉親那謝謝部長同時我們想要對所有的遺憾者家屬感到哀悼那在這邊有幾件事情跟部長就教 |
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部長這次花蓮的大地震有些房子被列為紅單跟黃單那這個黃單紅單是有分類的標準不過災民享有的這個救助卻不太一樣那本席來舉例就民眾還陳情說像這個中華電信有列為給這個紅單的住戶他在網路費、市化費用免三個月的這個吹角我想這也應該啦因為房子都壞掉了也不能住了嘛所以要免徵這個費用嘛那但是黃單就沒有這樣的優惠 |
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中聯來了黃灘的住戶在他現在短時間之內也沒辦法回到家裡面那這個部分是不是能夠也來比照來辦理我想不只是電信費、然後水費、瓦斯費、電費這些民生我們會繳交的費用身為已、身為救災總專口的這個內政部長未來這一塊要怎麼來規劃來協助我們的災民是委員跟你報告黃灘黃灘它程度還是有很大的差別第一個黃灘就是很簡單就是要拆掉 |
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他就是要拆掉然後而且他是現在是不能住的那黃丹的話呢黃丹的話他有可能是旁邊有危險物啊等等他程度不一他有可能這些危險物或者說他達到可居住的狀況他就馬上可以回去居住所以他的程度是有很大的一個差異 |
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當然這邊會有人關心的這個個體因為這個涉及這個中華電信的部分我們再來進一步去了解事情部長這邊也可以跟跨部來協助一下因為我相信在這個時候災民都需要極大的協助那當然有些他是黃單黃單是有不同的程度但是我相信受災戶需要協助的心情都是一樣的那一點點小小幫助我相信對於當地民眾他是很大的感受 |
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請教部長這個證明是由誰來發布? |
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報告委員,他這個是這樣,他就是這個受災戶的部分有提出他這個相關的這個居住事實的證明或里長的證明那第二個他是要跟銀行端申請,那所以這個部分在金管會那邊過去都有這樣的一個作業方式組長那個認定的那個證明端是由哪個單位來出去認明? |
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這個部分可能我們還要再了解部長這個部分我想說因為救災是要從寬的競速要確實如果沒有還沒有確定的單位是不是能夠由鄉鎮公所第一線來認定因為他們最直接就會知道嘛讓他更快的來協助災民這部分 |
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這次最嚴重的花蓮縣都沒有再往路上接入紅單的住所 |
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那這個部分我相信像現在我們在買房子民主國會連凶宅都要登記在這個不動產說明書裡面的那這個部分是不是國土署這邊是國土署嗎還是在內政部這個資料是不是也可以公開讓大家知道因為未來買房子的時候他還是一個很好的依據吧 |
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這個是地方政府的權責這所有受災的房子都必須要彙整到地方政府地方政府在彙整這個給我們的相關的單位這個公告網路公告不是在部裡面這邊嗎沒有那個縣市政府他必須要調查他要給我們所以如果有給因為這個不是因為這個不是我們去調查的 |
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公佈是部裡面公佈嗎?沒有,這個縣市政府自己就應該要公佈網路上咧?他自己就應該要公佈這樣子喔?對好,這是縣市政府的責任了本席想要表達的就是說,像這樣的資訊應該要更公開透露讓民眾來知道對,當然,這個我贊成好,那部長生命無價那在25年前發生的921地震地震教育了我們一件很重要的事就是在房屋結構這件事情 |
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921之後我們在新的法規、經濟法規要求新的房設業必須在建築耐震力這邊要有一定程度的加強不過我們現在台灣還是有很多的房子是在921之前就建好的那這些房子必須要做出品就是我們說的老屋快篩對不對 |
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那部長剛剛有提到說這些費用會來補助,這個補助是由中央還是由地方來補助?這個我請吳議長說明好謝謝各位報告我們大概從108年開始有連續3年做了所謂的建築物快篩這幾月在之前有做過那也把做出來認為有疑慮的都已經有通報給各地方政府那請他們自己平常要針對這些建築物 |
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要善加通知,去做管理。」這是我們過去我們在自己的經費是營建署、國防署裡面全部全部的補助?不是,是我們自己 |
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是我們自己在108年開始連三年去做了這個快篩那如果說快篩完以後被通知的那他有疑慮的話他可以申請內政補強的相關的出享品那出享品晚若確認要做的話我們還有內政補強的經費阿出享品的費用也是由我們所謂的我們是有補助啦也沒有說全部是補助阿不夠的部分是由地方政府嗎 |
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出享品因為是涉及到民眾的財產他還有一部分要自己自付民眾他沒有請或是他不去要求的話那是屬於的財產嘛我如果不去做我們也不敢我們沒有辦法去強制嘛是這個的確是屬於民眾財產 |
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是這樣子齁因為本期的了解大概就是我們進入快篩是臺北市是有補助一件是8000元台南市是6000到8000那是出祥品出祥品投文嘛對不對那是快篩快篩是我們自己做的那這樣出祥品齁那本期底下就是出祥品就以臺北市來看35年以上的救防車大概60幾萬戶他這個出祥品的費用大概大概50億啦甚至可能差不多50億啦齁那這個可能對直轄市政府來講他才比較充裕他可以負擔得起 |
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不過像台東縣啊這些我們發動地區財政情況沒有這麼好的縣市他可能光是一億元的經費他都財政都被拖垮那這個地方 而且我們發動地區啊就是位置在我們黃太平洋的這個黃太平洋的地震帶上面啊基於每天都會有地震發生喔更急需要去做這樣出品的補助那本期也是建立我們財政較弱的這些縣市喔相關經費中央應該優先來編列來補助地方來辦理 署長這一點你懂嗎 |
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跟我們報告我們在其實每一件都有給這個一萬二到一萬五的這個補助啦所以每一應該來講一般的出品的話是夠那想品我們最高也可以給到40萬那所以這個都是鼓勵民眾來申請這部分啊就是請蘇聯面前來獨立的縣市財政不是這麼好的縣市來做一些助好謝謝署長謝謝 |
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那另外在這一次的地震去凸顯出另外一個花東更大的問題就是交通花東地區要來台北大概就是一個要坐飛機那網路上不是開車就是火車那這次地震看到整個公路斷掉火車停駛完全中斷的情況之下 |
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就是在這裡要呼籲我們交通部應該要趕快提送我們的這個蘇花公路安全提升的計畫報告那蘇花安未來也要比照國道有抗七級地震的能力另外在這個交場會有落實的地方也該用這個民隧道民隧道應用因為我們從所有的畫面看到 |
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民粹倒在這一次的災害發生很大很大的作用能夠讓這些車輛能夠躲避第一時間的這個危險的發生那這邊我想請交通部是不是趕快來背頭相關資料送給環境部讓蘇花安能夠找一日來那個環境能夠通過 |
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市長來請你回答謝謝主席我們是不是請公路局林副局長就蘇花安以及臺九臺八的未來公路復建的任性提出來說明主席你很簡單一點蘇花安的環境說明書的修正的部分我們在4月底我們會提到環境部去那 |
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這個就是環評的部分我們會儘速讓跟委員說明讓整個案子通過那整個台酒的韌性的部分我們包括我們未來整個作業我們包括這次的震災的修復我們會考量 |
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盡可能以明隧道的方式去然後在不影響環境警官的範圍之下我們會提高他們的韌性以上報告謝謝這邊也要求補以非常盡快因為你看到這次綠斷掉幾乎東部都整個孤島 |
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我們就像我們整個不管是人的運輸還有甚至農村產品的運輸都發生很大的問題那接下來要提的就是說那這次雖然這次地震對我們台東的這個農業沒有造成太大的影響因為台東的整個蔬果在運輸上不會造成很大的負擔因為現在整個運輸大陸必須走南回走西部到北部那這部分是不是增加運輸成本是不是你要謝謝我們農業部這邊補助這些運費 |
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輸發公路大型貨車還沒辦法進行運輸請農業部將相關補貼持續到輸發公路完成修繕 |
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主席以及各位有關這個塑化公路中斷的這些運匯的補助我們會實際到整個塑化公路通車之後再實際來進行好 謝謝署長謝謝署長的幫忙 |
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好這個質詢時間到了所以還有要質詢的嗎謝謝主席主委本席這邊最後還是跟我們部長部長相信部長接下來可能有新的職務那部長本席跟部長都曾經擔過地方的首長我們是在鄉鎮那部長之前是在市府裡面 |
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在面對這麼大的重大的災害的時候地方真的很需要中央的協助那在這邊我想也要請部長在到新的任務之前能夠盡力的來完成盡快的協助我們華聯地區的災情的恢復那這邊也祝福我們部長未來的一切發展能夠順遂好人也是平安謝謝部長 |
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謝謝主席 這個部長有請 |
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有請部長 |
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是 委員好部長早安早安剛剛建兵委員有提到520之後可能有些異動但我想不管當一天和尚裝一天裝也許是在內政部長最後的這一段工作的期間我們還是有幾個非常重要的題目來做探討所以我們也沒有在區分是不是看守的一個狀態今天當然是針對4月3號地震之後的一些善後的措施提出質詢我們當然有三個問題要救教部長 |
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第一個叫做補助資訊沒有整合第二個叫做社區自治不容易第三個叫都跟意願待提升這三件事我想這個都很值得內政部立刻來做一個討論現在內政部在你們的這個工作報告裡面有提到在針對這個災民這個善後的居住協助措施有比如說你釋出了包租貸款的房屋物件比如說你做了建築物的這個補強補助對不對你有所謂的租金補貼以及等等 |
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那當然大家也會關注就是說你要這個協助都更跟危老重建的一些措施但是本席發現這些資訊跟災民有關的資訊就散佈在你內政部各個網頁裡面當然我們了解內政部是一個大部分工非常繁瑣但是好像不太好因為你看這個財政部 |
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負稅署這些官網他都已經有一站式的服務機制了也就是說災民當震災出現之後我可能要了解說我稅金有哪一些減免所以我就會上財政部的網站我會上負稅署的網站他一進到網頁因為這個4月3號大地震的一個特殊的狀況所以他把這個相關事項就全部整理好叫災害協助專區那照理來講這地震其實這個跟內政部是有最密切相關的所以我要請問一下部長為什麼 |
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其他部位做得好像比內政部還快,你要不要說明一下?我也要跟你報告,因為這個業務狀況不太一樣財政部這個部份它都是現有的機制它都是現有機制,它不需要再重新提報新的計畫給行政院那我們部的部份所負責的業務必須要提計畫到行政院 |
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我們在上個禮拜已經送到院裡面應該是這個禮拜應該可以核定我們會在行政院正式核定之後我們當然會把整個完整不過我們已經通知縣市政府了我的意思是講他現在就是你講說譬如說財政部跟負稅組他是立刻就有的機制你內政部一定也有立刻也就有的機制嘛 |
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比如說你包租貸款的房子是不是第一時間就釋出了這個你就沒有必要跟行政院再做討論嘛比如說你現在就有租屋補貼裡面相關的說明你可以做這一次的宣導所以你當然是第一時間你要先有一個一站式的服務窗口你現有的機制先放進去讓有需要的人民馬上可以得到所需的資料後面你要補上來比如說我後面針對比如說維好都跟等等有一些新的進展的時候你當然就把它安上去嘛你放在網站上增加它的這個項目嘛 對不對 |
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委員跟你報告一下我剪短20秒就好因為不是項目的問題是因為我們針對0403震災的這個相關的一個補貼是加碼的所以怕造成民眾的一個誤會 |
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因為我們現在一PO上去之後民眾就會誤以為是這個不過我們已經都事先跟通知地方政府我們有新的一個額度有新的一個補貼的這個加碼所以很快就會上去你既然都通知了地方政府那你就中央網站你就可以更新這個不是困難的事啦 |
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第二個問題叫做社區自治的問題部長認不認同公寓大廈管理是一門專業 |
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對他是一個專業而且還蠻複雜的而且非常複雜的我想您擔任部長任內應該也有很多相關的一些疑難雜症是現在我們有哪一個單位負責從中央主管的角度我想社區的部分當然是我們的國土署國土署然後一樣在建管的體系下面對不對那既然部長同意他是一門專業的話你只放在你看是內政部的國土署下面的建管下面的其中一個指向你覺得這樣子的位階是足夠的嗎 |
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他還是在這個體系下面他還是在這個體系下面那其實在地方政府的話他同樣也是在健管這個當然就是中央跟地方一起要面對的問題但是社區自治的品質其實也會間接的影響到救災的品質 |
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因為大家現在都在討論比如說我貼上了紅單黃單我不管後面是要修賽也好是要拆除退場也好它其實都有一個內部溝通的機制因為剛剛部長在答詢社會有提到我們現在在談論的都是私人財產的問題所以說人民溝通的這個品質跟速度其實跟政府要能夠順利的對接就是我們災後效率的一個很重要的一個指標但是跟部長反映一下目前被貼紅黃單很多大樓是社區 |
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社區管委會這是有管委會的大樓得資格補助的資訊但是對重大修繕的意見它萬一不一致的時候會不會耽誤時間會嘛對不對那我再往下問如果它是沒有管委會的五樓公寓或是華夏 |
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對不對 那個更複雜啦因為你連一個統一的窗口跟一個授權的機制都沒有配合你政府有一個機制你要去善後的時候你還要逐戶的徵得同意嘛這是不是其實都會造成我們紅黃丹建築的後續處理啊出現這個效率上的一個落差那再來是比較輕微的比如說外牆剝落好了 |
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對於公社的修繕都無能為力有些觀光會連會都不知道怎麼開所以說在這一次的震災裡面其實我希望內政部借這樣的機會重新重視一下公寓大廈的管理品質跟公寓大廈管理的位階我想我們都同意在內政部裡面它應該是一門專業現在我們針對硬體修繕有若干的補助但是針對軟體 |
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7506.834 |
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我覺得這是一個很重要的問題我希望軟體的支持跟輔導也要像硬體的修繕補助一樣得到一樣的重視要不然有空有硬體可是卡在大廈內部的社區自治的這個機制沒有辦法順利運轉的時候你中間硬體的補助再多錢到最後也下不了末梢部長對這件事情的看法是什麼 |
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7528.468 |
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我完全贊成委員的這個觀點不過它有幾個不同的層次第一個剛剛在講你管委會的部分管委會如果碰到問題其實市政府有兩個系統可以進來協助第一個當然是原本的這個建管或者督發的這個系統另外第二個系統其實是民政的系統 |
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7530.269 |
| transcript.whisperx[246].end |
7553.478 |
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碰到沒有那種管委會的其實更麻煩過去在歷次的災害裡面其實也都有相關的經驗因為也不是哪個單位這個時候就是縣市政府的團隊要進來協助整合災民的一個意見每一戶的各別的損害的話甚至是包括民政系統裡面的里長、村里長都可以進來幫忙 |
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7574.729 |
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所以是一個整體現在當然是這樣但是我要講所謂的上行下效如果我們中央從來不把公寓大廈管理當成一回事比如說提升衛街比如找尋資源建立一定的機制的話那當然你可以講說實務上操作的地方大家也同意可是這個東西大概就是原地踏步它不會因為這個事情有任何的改變本來就具體建議啦我們是 |
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7575.289 |
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7598.161 |
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緣出編撥一部分的經費跟人力去做公益大廈管理開會的輔導如果說你第一時間政府沒有這樣子的人力跟資源的時候你應該也認識很多民間專家吧比如說公益大廈擅長開會瞭解眾事管理專業這一群人他是不是能夠在部分的特殊的場域來進場輔導來協助政府來做跟災民對話溝通的這樣子的一個橋樑跟窗口這個是可行的對不對是 |
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那值不值得內政部努力一下我想這個當然是需要來努力不過兩個部分第一個是在平時的時候其實縣市政府都有中央也有補助縣市政府也要再輔導成立這個管理委員會以及管理委員會的這個運作部長你也做過地方縣市的時候你也清楚啦 |
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7615.38 |
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這個公寓大廈的補助到最後就是輔導成立管委會可以解凍基金之後剩下大概就是外牆修繕大概就留於這樣的形式當然本期今天要強調的是軟體軟體軟體就是說怎麼樣讓管委會的運作順利這個軟體工程其實是值得內政部投入資源跟心血的如果在部長最後的任內可以開這個好頭把這個東西建立一個機制大家慢慢的討論上行下效中央有座地方就會跟上來 |
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那我相信這個東西慢慢慢慢它就會形成被重視形成一個專業在真正發生這些災害還有我們後面要討論危老的時候它就可以發揮功能啦是不是請部長回去思考一下好沒問題軟體工程的部分來做一個審判配方好第三個就是都跟議院的問題啦我們花一點點時間來做這個討論這個當然 |
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7688.664 |
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現在都更跟危老推動的障礙當然就是房價、造價、估價還有共同分擔比例這是老問題了啦然後沒有辦法精確計算然後景氣因素又有變化那本期就因為時間有限我們就不多談細節我要問一下這個我們有沒有機會啦就是針對這種震災特殊的有沒有因為現在看起來還是只有危老嘛你當然因為貼了紅黃單危老的程序可以加快但那畢竟只是認定程序加快的問題嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
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顯然在具體的補償跟後續的公關方面好像那個誘因不足以讓這個社會有這個力量去推動所謂的防災型的都更嘛這部分內政部有沒有什麼想法? |
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7724.95 |
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跟委員報告其實第一時間我們其實相關的這個合作的單位其實都已經有進出到災區像在花蓮我們的這個跟國政中心的合作已經他們已經從上週就開始在找每一棟大樓就是確定紅單的大樓那他們認為還有機會搶救的這個部分都已經上週開始就 |
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連續一直在開會我們也是希望主動主動來協助地方政府來進行協助他們確認他們還有沒有修善補強的意願或是他們確定要走都更我們會一段一段去做那因為我們都有協助的輔導單位那我們也是希望藉這個過程當中 |
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鼓勵地方政府就跟社區趕快把這個組織架起來這樣我們才有一個阻擾的機會你現在談執行這個層面當然是地方政府在執行我說明我們的單位已經都下去了你也下去協助輔導的角色但現在問題就是說這些紅黃丹的建築或者是一些危老的速度很慢其實是遊戲規則的問題而不是實際執行他們不認真大家想推啊可是民間意願很低落嘛因為誘因不夠啊溝通有困難嘛 |
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所以當然是藉著這震災機會 是不是內政部要針對規範的部分比如杜根的誘因啊、容積獎勵啊 是不是要做一個通盤的檢討我當然不是講說要一次就全部都要適用可是有沒有針對特別危險的啦比如說地震帶、敏感帶這些東西有防災杜根的這些倡議跟計畫 |
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7812.039 |
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報告就是說我們其實針對這個部分其實它本來就都有相對應的機制了我說明一下那現在的狀況就是說你到了真正災民輔導的時候其實往往出現的不是在談這個因為有人要走有人要留對啦因為有人要走有人要留所以那其實那個財產的處分就是一個很大的問題對所以現在問題就是 |
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7827.523 |
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你前端的機制沒有好的時候前端的機制不夠好的時候你就永遠是地震發生之後再來善後就很麻煩做不完的事情嘛我現在講的是政策對話的部分嘛機制的部分有沒有修正的空間 |
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那我有跟你報告我們來檢討啦那來緊緊但第二個我要講如果就現在的現況的這個案件的話就是要先做完調查就是災民醫院調查剛剛署長在講有的要走有的要留所以這個醫院調查完了之後才有辦法往 |
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| transcript.whisperx[261].text |
後面的根基會從中領取現在這場地震有很多的紅黃單我們要有一個長期的追蹤機制因為你這追蹤完又過半年過一年回過頭來看的時候你才會知道是不是遊戲規則出了問題我希望這件事情不要因為內政部長換人也好不換人該做的事情還是要繼續做這個題目我們要長期來做追蹤來做制度面的檢討可以嗎是這是持續性的工作好謝謝部長辛苦了謝謝紐選情委員謝謝部長的回應謝謝部長謝謝接著我們請張志倫委員來質詢 |
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7891.182 |
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主席好各位委員各位官員大家早安大家好我們是有請部長有請林部長所以委員好部長早早最近看到新聞聽說您在這個520奈慶的總總統上台您即將卸任這個內政部長的位置那本席覺得本席對您是非常的這個給予高度的肯定謝謝那也認為說您很適合這個位置 |
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7938.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[263].text |
那當然說你未來有媒體報導你即將會接任這個民進黨的這個秘書長的這個職位那需要說未來就是部長還是可以堅持著這個正職而且是打擊這個假訊息的部分繼續就是讓我們在野黨的部分好好來監督政府那現在大家都在談0403地震後我們很擔心的點就是預算不足的問題 |
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7967.216 |
| transcript.whisperx[264].text |
所以也在這邊先跟部長請教一下我們預算法第83條第一項有四款第三款是針對於重大災變的時候可以來編列我們的特別預算那第四款的部分是大家現在追憶最多就是不定期或者是一年數字可以提特別預算我想請問部長這邊我們這次0403花蓮大地震的時候如果用特別預算的時候是應該用第三款還是第四款來編列預算 |
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好 謝謝要不要提這個特別預算看有沒有需要那它會涉及幾個部分第一個是剛剛在提到我們要把整個災後的相關的重建或包括現在安置的部分去做盤點那有一些部分其實是可以在現在已經有的災害應變的這些經費預算包括在地方政府還有包括在中央這個可以緊急運用的第二個就是我們的相關的一個捐款 |
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| transcript.whisperx[266].text |
另外就是我們的原本的公務的預算可以移緩救急另外就是在明後年的相關預算的一個編列這些如果都檢討完之後是有不足的部分再來考慮特別預算的一個編列 |
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好 謝謝部長 那我跟指甲編部長報告我個人認為他應該是用第三款重大災變應該就可以提立特別預算所以現在坊間在講說如果現在要修法83條第4款要修法要經過立法院來監督其實不會影響到救災的預算這邊跟部長報告 部長你認同嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[268].end |
8052.267 |
| transcript.whisperx[268].text |
救災的工作其實都一直在進行到目前為止相關的預算並沒有問題好 謝謝部長所以我要跟部長提到當時過去921大地震的時候當時的執政黨他當時就直接撥了53億的款項 |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[269].text |
因為現在政府對救災補助的經費不是說多跟低有差別可是中央只補助3億的經費所以這點才是我們現在所擔心的那這邊我也看到媒體有指稱就是說部長你未來有考慮要往這個新北市長的腳步來邁進那是不是請問部長這邊請問你有沒有打電話給侯友宜市長問他現在新北市的救災經費夠不夠 |
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| transcript.whisperx[270].end |
8096.704 |
| transcript.whisperx[270].text |
我想剛剛兩部分並不是中央只給花蓮縣3億而是在第一個時間就先撥3億撥3億就是它可以立即運用那剛剛在提到說相關需要的一個經費這個花蓮縣政府可以隨時的提出來我想這部分預算是不會有問題的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[271].end |
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好 謝謝部長因為特別還是要拜託我本身的選區在新北那因為侯友宜市長也在深深呼喚中央這個部分應該比照921的條例來做0403的這個地震後特別預算那本席其實也有送相關的這個提案近期行政院提這個特別預算的部分現在已經經過一途已經準備要送到委員會進來去做一個審查那請問一下這個部長這個部分 |
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那如果未來我們這個特別預算送到這個我想請問啦簡單講就是你們現在每週四的行政院的行政院會有沒有討論過要提特別預算的部分我想如果到行政院會的話那個已經進到最後的程序但是並不是在行政院會裡面去討論這個事情會在之前的跨部會不管是由院長副院長或者名譽長或者政委來主持相關的協調會議裡面去討論 |
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到了行政院院會那個是最後已經要送出去了已經是完整的這個方案好謝謝部長解釋因為本席沒辦法參加這個行政院會只是我一直很擔心這也是我們高經委員大家很多人所擔心的第一個就是預算不足第二個這樣子跨部會的去要求爭取預算其實讓我們覺得有一點點緩不濟急 |
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我跟您報告這個院在這個災害發生的第一時間其實就由副院長已經召開相關的一個會議其實已經開過很多次了好 謝謝部長那第二個我們當然第一個我們還是我相信很多委員還是會擔心經費不足的問題那我們當然是只能建請行政院來加強那第二點我們想要問的是說重建的能量是不是不足我想剛剛牛許廷委員也特別提到請問我們這些受災戶在重建的時候相關適用的法令是什麼法令 |
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重建的法令它還是依照現有相關的一個規定對這就是我們其實我們很多委員提出來的如果它只是現用現在的危老昏突跟條例其實對現在的受災戶是相當他們來講心裡是不能平復的因為他們是因為災害損失他們不是因為房子老是因為現在不能居住不管是紅單或黃單不能居住 |
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他現用的是舊的都市更新條例的話其實讓他們來講對他們來講其實是沒辦法去接受的因為他們是因為天災的問題他不是還可以住在這個目前的老房子裡面的問題所以是不是部長這邊應該要像我們很多委員提出來的來研擬一下是不是應該對我們台灣屬於位於地震帶這個部分來做一個相關 |
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有關於災後這些房子不能居住因為講白了就算貼黃單很多的住戶而且新聞爆這麼大很多住戶也未來不敢去做居住的動作所以針對這個受災戶不能不僅適用現在的都更委老條例更是要有任何一種不管是同意比例或是政府補助的一個方面讓它可以加速重建的路未來房子重建的路部長您的設計 |
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我再跟你報告一下其實大家可能有一點誤解貼紅單就很單純也很明確貼紅單就是要拆掉重建這是非常確定那另外就是說它可能就是主要的一個結構樑柱板牆都已經有安全的顧慮或者說基礎有不穩固 |
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那所以他必須要劃設這個危險的一個區域那必要的時候要強制拆除這是紅單那黃單不太一樣黃單不是說他建築物就一定這個有危險而是他周邊可能隔間或者天花板等等有非主要結構有掉落然後傷人的疑慮這個就會貼黃單 |
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那他只要簡單把它做了改善,其實防止不一定是有這個破損或者危害,他可以回去重築。謝謝,謝謝,謝謝,這個不太一樣,非常感謝那個部長的補充,其實部長補充得非常的清楚,可是這邊部長特別提到紅單跟黃單的差異可是就本席有很多民眾我們在聊天的時候有討論到這個是民眾反映給我的花蓮的這個天王星這個案子 |
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他過去在108年的時候他是被列為黃丹然後後來在補強之後成為綠丹那大家看到最近的新聞也非常了解他現在這個建築物的狀況所以從黃丹變成綠丹可是現在情況是他的房屋大家可以看到現在的問題跟狀況急需重建 |
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所以本席在這邊才要跟部長請教的部分很多劣於黃丹的部分在補強之後會不會還是有造成像這樣的情況所以部長我才到這邊還要拜託你是不是我們全臺灣的房子有被劣於黃丹的部分後續要如何做老屋健檢這也是非常多委員提出來的部分其實人家我舉個簡單的例子這個年紀大的有時候需要去健康檢查 |
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雖然說年紀大了,像有些人沒有身體也沒有事情,可是他還是需要做身體健康檢查那我們現在全台灣這麼多的老屋政府沒有一個完全的老屋健檢的配套的方式其實是讓未來難道只能發生地震之後然後我們才去做一些修正或後續的彌補或是貼爛的一個動作嗎? |
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所以我們非常的鼓勵因為現在機制都有政府也有補助所以我們也一直跟地方政府來這個協力希望民眾能夠這個來做一些申請因為全面性跟剛剛在講民眾是因為這畢竟是民眾老百姓自己的財產那我們對財產權的一個尊重那剛剛委員提到那個天王星他是做修繕他並沒有申請做內政部長 |
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那就是說比如說像部長你這麼建議因為未來有生第一個啦我們建議啦就是剛剛跟您報告了重建的能量要足就是說有被貼黃單的一定要去跟災民去做一個慰問的心態而且就是說未來也要考慮說這些災後的房子是不是考慮要做重建不能用過去以來大家所知道的這些都跟危老的條例是不是有個更 |
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符合他們的條例來去做協助第二個就是要拜託有些我們台灣這麼多老屋的部分是不是應該有一個措施是讓所有老屋有辦法老屋健檢適用於全台灣比如超過30年、40年、50年、60年以上的這個老屋要來去做一個協助那最後時間還剩一點點我是不是請教這個複稅署的官員因為我們這邊一直有在我們請複稅署 |
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我們最近一直有在討論的部分就是說5月份即將要報稅那報稅的部分在獵取扣除裡面其實很多委員有提到這個災害損失的部分現在是說如果是15萬元以下在百分之一個月內提報就不用負擔相關的表冊嗎現在那個負稅署這邊有開放變成三個月可是金融的部分15萬一直還沒有提高到30萬請問大概什麼時候會確定考量是什麼 |
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報告我們目前正在修這個要點那我們大概會放寬成30萬所以會確定會放寬成30萬嗎? |
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好 非常感謝所以其實就是我們其實立法委員的職權就是需要說在災後的部分災後的時候可以寫災民跟所有的民眾一個便利不管是減稅清明或者是未來可以做一些防止的動作所以今天非常感謝部長跟副署長的幫忙那也希望說部長辛苦了未來還是希望很多地方希望你協助所有的災民謝謝 |
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好,非常謝謝張志倫質詢,謝謝部長,謝謝副署長,謝謝請王美惠委員質詢有請林部長要不要先喝口水,沒關係,好部長先喝一個啦 |
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不要緊,委員好不要緊我整天聽到你的這個聲音我認為台灣人就是這樣太需要你就去做不管是去到哪裡都是為台灣人、中華民國來服務的我來比個讚 |
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在這方面,我們有很多董事都說到岸端跟岸端的關係在這方面,補充你也說得很清楚岸端就是不能大,有什麼嚴重的就要馬上停岸端是可以改善,如果改善好,它就沒問題了 |
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內政部部長本席要來請教很多很多各官司什麼人要做的來你回答一下這部分當然是內政部他們要去執行跟內政部要做的這樣來本席就來請教一下內政部要做中央有需要協助他們只要內政部有需要中央都可以來協助跟內政部 |
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沒有愛,覺得沒在跟你們聯絡的時候,你們要怎麼出手來,部長?沒有啦,我想騙災發生的時候,管治政府都會負重的職責啦部長,我現在的事來講,超前部署的啦 |
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當然花蓮發生這樣的時候你沒有一個管制你看發生的時候高雄救災的國軍去救他我們救災沒分他給我,也沒分什麼黨派我現在是跟你說,我們要怎麼去義雄如果發生事情的時候,有些地方政府如果不跟你們說,你們要怎麼處理 |
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委員你的意思是﹑他沒有跟我們說﹑對﹑他還沒有做你是不是可以在這裡選擇像我今天在批論說我住一間大樓﹑我也沒有租租賃委員﹑我選擇這個大樓﹑就已經有大、五大、未來、有機、最近、跌宕這樣﹑我也會煩惱的這樣﹑保證你知道嗎 |
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是,不過這個中央跟地方會有各個權責我告訴你,地方政府沒用跟北省不知道那時,你們中央要怎麼出手是,我請吳署長來說明一下來,署長來 |
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感謝委員啦 其實地方這個紅磚 原來有給我們通報啦所以我們原來有通締我們的那個維勞輔導團所以 給委員報告就說我們的維勞輔導團也會協助地方政府先去篩檢 先去篩 篩完 署長 如果沒有讓你們通報的呢有的官司中 有的官司沒有讓你們通報的呢是因為那個所在完全也沒有紅磚也沒有紅磚 |
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是,這就是說是陰謀通報的電影政府,民眾如果跟電影政府說其實通佈我們的通緝所有的技術,因為這技術不是電影政府派的是我們的通緝,國的這個技術,會請去看 |
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更重要的是有大人或大人,這個資料有多高來我們這裡?市長,今天的技術到目前為止,全台灣如果要領你的領元有夠嗎?技術是有夠啦!有夠喔!我跟委員報告,我們這次已經動用一千一百多個技術但是現在目前有去現地拼購的,都有去現地拼購有四百多個 |
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有400多個跟你們合作的,可以去看的,還要有教育是,所以目前你像是單獨在法院這69個基礎到這陣子還要每天去看喔,他們先好了,今天又有69個基礎每天去看我現在怎麼跟你談到這,就是法院你看這個情形的時候還有管制,我覺得也有猶豫余政的時候,大家也有煩惱所以說,我們怎麼去合作的 |
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所以感謝就是說其實主要民眾如果有通報我這邊我們會通報電影政府通話直接跟他們告知我們就會通知技術去看有的電影政府他如果比較有經驗他自己也會通知技術去看這樣我們就會建立這個資料是不是 |
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有時候每一個官司沒感冒,有的他的高度、所在是三四八檔的社區在這個地方,救不上委員會,以我來說,我是在家裡住的家裡住救不上那五十檔的大樓,要到有九千多樓 |
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在這個過程當中,加起來有很多更好看最近在13項的災害投擲 |
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因為我們之前有說過未來可能的三級和四級對自己來說這就會走下來所以我們不是說因為要怎麼死我們先要說的就是不能讓百姓走下來要不然要安心百姓的心 |
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立法院第11屆第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會第11次全體委員會 |
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所以過去因為像高雄城中城那些事件之後我們開始已經有受到頂多的感謝我們委員會都有通過可是我們現在不管你過去有成立或是剛起我們要求有一個副主席你一定要做成立這個委員會就是說只要有去打這個訊息我們的這個輔導團我們的通緝電影政府要把你叫出來我們要相關先去了解就是說這樣來協助他們 |
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| transcript.whisperx[308].text |
主席主席主席 |
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各官司、部長、行政部、行政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、財政部、 |
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規定委員會執行執行委員報告因為現在都持續還在評估人家都還在評估沒有啦 評估前我剛才說了想在第二次的時候你看會怕嗎不怕嗎所以大家都說歐北山有一個斷層跟現在我們去想說跟歐北山的斷層沒關係跟北山就安心但是安心的當中那個遺鎮那個大樓 |
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大家很害怕尤其是今年大流的三四十年五十年有夠多你也用心去了解一下補充在這兩天我請教我們花蓮我們花蓮校、大學那間說實在不知道當然是大家都很辛苦 |
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但現在消防署、電視消防局和我們的學校是無關聯的你如果看到開始維修到最後的時候讓人覺得這平常都沒那麼厭倦 |
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化合物件放在地上,可憐也沒有,通檢也不知道,你們這三個關係,我覺得都處理不好,來,請部長和署長回答一下。」 |
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我簡單講一下,因為這個大學裡面它如果有化學實驗室的話,它其實都會提報相關的一個計畫給消防局。不是啦,署長,相關我是說,有資質或沒有資質,你看到電視和視況我們的手機的時候,我們消防的化學、消防車不足, |
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是否會讓我們的消防車和泡沫有的跟有的跟什麼的都不一樣?整個花蓮縣大概是有兩部的 |
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這個化學的消防車這個當然是花蓮縣的消防局他們的這個他們的規劃但是中央我們也有準備要來補助這幾位已經有這一個 第二個是因為我們為什麼委員你給我講26號 26號 |
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自主防災為什麼那麼重要?因為你災害發生的第一時間,你一定要把它壓制住。這次是我們的小紅林丸到現場以後,火已經很大了。 |
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在現場之後即便是這一個相關的一個設備沒有辦法去把它整個做鋪面所以因為安全的關係必須要這個保持一個距離然後帶圓所以為什麼我們在強調就是自主防災在第一個時間裡面去控制那個災害的擴大這個對後續的救災很重要所以這也是這次議定你事情發生後有特別你給他來的支持要求要改善 我覺得說 |
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這件事不能靠靠聽他頭、靠聽他腳因為什麼呢? |
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你去高雄發生這件事以後,你也要相信六個縣市的補助都很好,你選什麼,中央就補助你什麼,要不然為了補助車的時候,中央性都要趕緊,剛才我聽到說一百十六年要補助一百十八年,今年才一百三年而已 |
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補充這國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會、行政院主計總處副主計長、原住民族委員會、行政院公共工程委員會、交通部、行政院公共工程委員會、行政院補充這國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會、行政院公共工程委員會、行政院補充這國軍退除役官兵輔導委員會、行政院補充 |
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設置該無發生重大事項要在4月7日發生的事是天佑台灣那個地方我們沒有監測的 |
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因為本身要在這裡跟你說就是說無論未來的地方到底會在哪裡發生沒在哪裡發生你我不知道因為這個鋪邊鋪的測試你們要加強要做那麼多做得好我們是要超前部署做得好不然事情發生要來加強要加強就不會有了 |
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好謝謝美惠委員的質詢謝謝部長但是剛剛交通部鐵路局好像沒有回應這個問題 |
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你回應一下好不好剛剛美惠主席委員就是剛剛王委員所提的因為我說的是前一班火車我如果是四月三號的確是因為有預警所以7點58分的地震太魯閣號的車車室有根據預警的指示接受調度中心指示停那在 |
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王委員講的最近這一次是在發生在和平站南方200公尺位置他跟公路局是路廊是綁在一起所以這個部分我們在已經在去年第4季開始執行的26個預警告警系統我們會再重新評估那這一兩天內我們會要求 |
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鐵路局、鐵路公司就是不是他們規劃中的38處再重新評估提送給交通部再轉給中央來在鐵路公司的特別預算裡面來做核定另外就是主席您關心的公路跟鐵路合併在一起路廊接近我們已經折成鐵路局的花蓮公路段跟公路局的南澳公路段未來在整治的時候要協同作業要協同作業 |
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市長請問一下剛剛那個預警那個你們什麼時候會通過因為現在餘震很多欸那個那個那個鐵路都是非常的快速因為預警他開始運作是在去年的第四季我們開始在運作你告訴我們時間好不好不要沒有一個時間的限制只要中央核定或比較評估為幾天我們會邀請你認為中央什麼時候會核定 |
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剛剛林部長有提到就是說很快我們部會協商後如果像中央預算因為上禮拜五下午4點鐘政府院長在院會裡面在行政院的相關會議已經交代我們重新檢討再進促這一兩天內你們什麼時候會提啦因為現在漁戰很多啊 |
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一兩天會提報對我跟委員會所擔心的真的就是餘政很多不管是危勞建物不管是尤其是這個公共運輸上面真的是非常的擔憂我們會照諸位規定這一兩天一兩天內提報給災防委員會跟災防辦公室跟一兩天內啊好那你們今天趕快你們提報行政院會的時候麻煩也讓我們委員會知道一下好不好交警速度謝謝好我們休息好休息五分鐘待會再繼續我們的質詢謝謝 |
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我們現在繼續開會因為今天人比較多有一些各部會如果還沒有時間來得及上化妝室的部分你們可以在當中去上一下好不好繼續我們請黃婕委員來質詢 |
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好,謝謝主席,我們請內政部長,有請林部長 |
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謝謝委員好好 部長好首先我想要請教一下因為剛剛其實也有幾位委員有提到說像這一次4月3號的花蓮大地震大家都非常的難過但是有沒有必要特別訂一個特別的條例來針對這一次的災情呢我覺得這個是要考慮的所以我想要先請教一下我們現在有沒有需要特別像921一樣再訂一個重建條例還是說我們現行的法律就可以處理呢 |
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是委員其實剛剛你已經提到這個重點就是我們現在有的機制還有相關的一個法律還有包括甚至包括預算能不能有足夠的一個能量可以處理這次0403的一個災害因為其實在之前包括兩次0206其實災害也不小不過也沒有訂特別的條例所以這部分我想應該是這樣子來做思考 |
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好我來補充一下好了其實因為我們台灣有災害防救法那過去其實都是從當初的才在台灣省的時期的天然災害跟善後處理辦法開始的那到1999年921的時候那時候發生了這個921大地震然後我們沒有辦法因應這麼大型的天然災害所以當時候就是緊急頒布了一個命令然後來制定了921震災的重建戰型條例 |
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可是在這個921之後我們立法院也馬上通過災害的防救法包括說中央到地方要怎麼分工然後災害應變中心的指揮官要進行相關的人力物力的運用然後還有災害的重建復原的相關的規定其實也都陸陸續續就921之後慢慢的一步一步的來修正過非常多次然後也讓它越來了越完善然後我們現在這個 |
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其實防救法裡面就已經把相關的災害重建需要的法規其實都已經放進去了那我來舉個例子就是說我現在如果貸款買了一間房然後這間房它可能已經全倒或是半倒了那結果剩下的貸款該怎麼辦呢其實當時的921條款裡面就有說排除銀行法的相關的適用然後金融機構它可以承受這些房屋的抵押的貸款 |
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那這一條其實後來呢從那個921的特別條例之後就被放進了災害的防救法裡面的42條那再例如我再舉個例子當時921的這個特別條例裡面有提到說地震造成的地層的移動可能會造成之後地級圖變動的問題就是要怎麼樣重建等等那這樣的相關的規定是不是也被放進災防法裡面 |
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所以其實當時的這個有它的歷史脈絡所以我認為說當然救人救災是第一重建的工作一定要非常的完善只是說到底有沒有需要為了這一次的地震再訂一個特別的條例呢那我再次的請教一下我們內政部長是不是目前所有的法規所有的規定以及你們手上的工具都已經是足夠的 |
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是目前為止我們都是足夠的其實包括這個災民的一個安置的部分其實都有相關的一個機制甚至是包括我們的預算因為在後來我們每地方政府跟中央政府我們都要編災害的準備金沒錯那另外就是包括有一些行政作業上面其實在921之後呢也在 |
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災害防救法裡面 立法有一些簡便的行政的措施所以這個都適用在這一次0403的一個地震好 謝謝部長 那我也請教一下主計處好不好我請主計處 謝謝 |
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因為大家也在說這一次的這個救災到底我們相關的預算然後這些救災的補助到底你們手上的這些資源是夠的嗎可不可以跟大家說明一下我們是不是能夠透過現有的預算來進行相關的處理是謝謝委員那我 |
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在這邊跟大家報告就是說目前我們中央各部會都全力的在這個籌措計費來進行災救災跟重建那目前為止依照各部會盤點的結果目前都是足夠的好那當然在這邊有一個很具體的承諾不管是救災的工具救災的法律救災的預算其實目前手頭上我們政府都能夠來做全力的救災工作對嗎 |
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是的好謝謝主計處可以請回座那再來我繼續請教我們內政部因為其實我們接下來要討論就是如何要減少地震之後造成的傷亡那其實這一次大家有提出一個重點就是說因為其實台灣真的就是在地震帶上面然後會有一些進斷層的效應然後甚至是比遠離斷層的房屋都還容易倒塌有可能發生這樣的事情例如說2018年花蓮地震倒塌的桐帥飯店 |
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雲門湊體大樓斷層線 |
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公共市正式公告的斷層帶就有36條然後甚至有22個就在斷層附近的區域然後我們台灣有165平方公里是被劃成這個活動斷層地質敏感區的那這些敏感區目前地質法裡面有規定說我們在開發的時候必須要有安全的評估 |
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但是有一些是沒有被劃在地殖敏感區的斷層但是他還是有可能是高風險的狀態我想問一下我們針對這樣的事情有沒有任何的對策還有接下來這些高風險的開發帶到底有什麼樣的防範措施呢 |
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委員謝謝你的指教我印象所及其實在921之後這個有針對這些斷層地帶其實做了地質的一個調查那在這個斷層線上因為這個要非常的這個經過調查之後才能夠確認我印象應該是斷層線上的兩邊應該是100公尺應該是100公尺之內它會有做相關建築的一些規範至於細節的部分我請吳署長做經驗 |
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感謝委員現在現行的規定是這樣就是除了你的都市計畫有劃了這個斷層線以外那它可能就是周圍從25公尺到100公尺不等都有規定一個範圍那第二個就是說因為它是屬於活動斷層所以我們這個是一個適宜性的做法你真是在這個周圍的話它必須還要出具這個地址專探的一個報告來確認它有沒有在這個斷層帶上那或者是它必須應該要 |
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強化它的建築基層的結構、基盤的結構他才能辦法送神我想這是在目前來講都有做這樣的規範好 謝謝署長我就是其實是想要請教說因為我們新版的規範的建築物因為有這個進段層的效應所以到底蓋在距離多少範圍的外是安全的這件事情要講清楚然後在這個範圍內是不是就是一定程度的進限建可以再明確的讓大家知道 |
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那當然如果我們未來耐震技術更好是不是這個範圍可以再重新劃那可以再重新討論嗎但我認為安全第一如果真的只要在這個範圍內都是有風險的是不是還是要劃一個進縣間的範圍呢委員會跟你報告 |
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這個如果是活動斷層的話它是歷史上最大地震規模然後在一定的範圍內裡面去做劃設比如說大於這個規模7的話那就是斷層帶兩側各100公尺那斷層規模在6到7的話就是兩側各50公尺斷層6以下的或者沒有紀錄的話是30公尺以內好 謝謝部長的說明 |
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那再來就是說因為在這個斷層在範圍內的現有建築是不是有機會透過異地容積轉移的方式或者是用其他的方式讓民眾先知道說如果我們想要搬移是有機會的或是一個鼓勵或者是讓這個安全的範圍更明確那讓這些民眾有一個搬移的機會 |
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是不是有這樣的可能那如果真的他們無法搬離或是不想搬離是不是中央可以再進行一些補助讓他們做一些全面性的耐震評估因為我認為這些高風險的房屋確實就是存在在這邊那是不是你們可以再協助他們做更多的耐震的措施呢 |
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就是說現在這些斷層帶上面的房屋到底怎麼辦跟委員報告啦其實因為這也是在重建的過程當中就比如說他要重建或他可能會面臨到這類的問題也就是說除非他就是確認當經過當時的這一個地層鑽探確定他是屬於進建的 |
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因為它有分進建跟限建進建的部分那這個部分當然到時候可以透過都市計畫的這個手段再來重新做一個調整因為它有一些要確定是不是容易的話我想會依據各個都市計畫的狀態不一會去做這樣的一個規定那這個部分我是建議到時候都是可以透過都市計畫的手段或在西部計畫又在西部計畫就可以做一些調整 |
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好 那如果有相關的案件也希望我們署理可以就是針對這些房屋再給這些居民更具體的建議跟協助好嗎我要補充一句這個如果要容移要移出或者要接收的這個區域是要透過都市計畫的過程去把它做劃定所以要做這個補充並不是說他想要移就可以移 |
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好 謝謝部長那最後我再問一個問題就是剛剛也有提到這個軟腳沙的建築我們現在到底有沒有全面的掌握或盤點這個可不可以請部裡來認真的做一次評估啊 |
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跟委員報告其實我們從108年做到110年其實我們大概有盤點出來就是從建築的結構圖都有那也分別都通知地方政府請他們代為通知所有全人希望他們正視自己的這個資料那因為這個是屬於個人財產所以我們並沒有對外公佈也請他們努力來申請這個內政部牆還有出箱品 |
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讓他們了解自己房屋的狀況跟未來修繕還有補強的一個方向好 謝謝署長我就是希望這樣子而已就是至少你們要做到通知然後輔導 |
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是委員那個我想我們有在做檢討就是因為這一次這個大地震之後我想我們會針對剛剛你提到的這些所謂過去有資料這些建築物我們再做一次通知再提醒所有全能希望他們能夠積極的來做相關的一個評估跟調查好非常好謝謝部長好非常謝謝黃絕委員的質詢謝謝也謝謝部長謝謝署長接著我們請李博義委員質詢 |
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謝謝保護最後的機會來質詢林部長還有吳署長謝謝 |
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謝謝部長一年多的部長的任期讓你從一位地方的首長那熟知地方的這些建築等等的甚至我們今天就來討論最重要的這些老舊的集合住宅在面對天災例如地震或者是高雄曾經發生的這個城中城的事件這種老舊的建築裡面 |
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內政部可以做什麼樣的輔導內政部可以再多什麼樣的輔助的這些經費那可以讓地方政府增加這些誘因增加居民他可能有想要參與都更的誘因我想最重要的原因可能會出在在都更的期間到底要住哪裡我到底要去哪裡住我們相關的這些 |
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配套的措施沒有很足夠我想從這一次我們的災區災民我們現在目前所提供整理出來的民眾的租屋協助方案裡面我們來做一個討論 |
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民眾可以自行租房民眾也可以透過包租代管媒合租屋如果沒有辦法租屋的時候地方政府這邊可能有初步調查70家業者400多間房間滿足1000多個人的住房這是我看到的資料但是這是遇到 |
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災難的時候沒有辦法了房子真的沒有辦法進去了所以我們必須要做的這些盤整跟政府能做的事情但是署長有沒有進一步的討論就是類似所有的都更案裡面其實最難的就是這一塊除了這些條件之外除了這些隆基除了等等的之外其實最 |
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最讓民眾可能沒有辦法想我下一步要往哪裡去其實就是我們怎麼樣安置原本住在這裡面的民眾 |
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當紅單黃單這些住宅裡面紅單已經強制必須要可能要搬離但是他如果又跑跑回去住你也是沒有辦法避免那所以其實我們藉由災難的發生因為災難的發生讓我們要更積極更急迫的趕快去處理舉例是 |
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當時城中城大火之後為例高雄市當時因為這個城中城當時也沒有這個管委會那所以高雄市當時在3天內就針對30年以上的住商大樓做消防的安檢那 |
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相關的這些當然地方政府必須要去做很多積極的這些作為但是我們國土署這邊對於地方政府這邊有沒有比較多的這些鼓勵的措施讓來署長你可以回應 |
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其實跟委員報告啦如果以現在這樣的一個紅黃丹的狀況黃丹當然他是可以修繕啦黃丹可以修繕好像這一次倒的這棟大樓原本是黃丹嗎對 因為天王星他就是只有進行往修繕他就沒有再做但是他有解除嗎他後來因為他黃丹是可以修繕後解除的但是他並沒有往下一步我去申請內政部長 |
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也跟委員報告所以天王星他是修繕之後他沒有做內政補強但是他就解除防單了對因為修繕後就可以解除修繕或補強還是修繕加補強才可以解除防單他是修繕後只要恢復原狀就可以了 |
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所以這個問題應該也是要嚴肅的拿出來討論所以跟我們報告我們之前在花蓮所福島有進行內政補強的山洞大樓這一次地震全部都安然無恙那解除是有問題的嗎不是因為解除它有很多的狀況因為它是屬於在只要把它經過修繕以後恢復原狀它可以恢復但是應該這麼說黃丹修繕卵 |
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並不是代表你的結構安全無疑沒有錯但是應該就不要讓他解除嘛如果他沒有做內政補強的話對對所以我們這一次是反過來是主動下去開這個輔導團的會議把住戶都找出來就希望他們能夠加入內政補強的一個作業所以這一次的做法我們從上週就已經啟動下去了部長 |
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因為這次的地震是7.2級那剛剛在提到他就算被貼黃單他修繕之後他是基本上是安全無虞但是安全無虞他如果能夠做進一步的耐震補強的話他可能耐震的能力會比原本好 |
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但是並不代表說他這個修繕之後恢復可以去居住但是我們看到這個狀況我們應該要來討論是不是應該要加上除了修繕恢復原裝之後一定要內政補強 |
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才可以解除這個壞事。」那這個對實際的住戶可能會產生很大的問題所以我們就要可能適度的編列相當多的經費下去協助輔導有沒有這個討論我們現在輔導的機制都有不過剛剛特別提到因為這是經費也有經費也有可是現在牽扯到因為這是私人的財產那他的安全並無虞建物的安全並無虞 |
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那他要不要進一步補強這個是住戶他們必須要自己決定的所以我們要提出誘因嘛本來這個內政補強可能我們超過30年以上的大樓那曾經是被列為黃丹那他如果經過修繕之後沒問題但是我們如果再加上內政補強我這邊可以補助你多少的經費讓你來做這些內政補強的話我想這個才是今天可以討論的重點是 |
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委員關係現在因為機制都有那有關你提到誘因的部分我想這個本來我們就可以來檢討謝謝那高雄市、台北市我們六都裡面屋齡超過30年以上的這些集合式住宅其實才是現在我們急著必須要繼續來討論的這些重點那繼續要討論當然我們鼓勵這個危老都更我們鼓勵可能 |
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在災難中可能會比較容易受損或者是造成災害的這些住宅我們可以有更多的誘因可以讓他來做都更可是目前為止的話如果針對現在的這些相關的這些集合式住宅的補助的話我們認為還是不夠另外就是針對這一些居民的安置我們認為政府後端還需要很多很多的努力比如說 |
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我的選區右倉有超過40年的它大概是五層樓的一個社區當地這個地方是商武的這些用地非常具有價值那也有很多開發商有可能有意願來進駐但是遇到最後的問題還是居民他除了他本身的這些坪數的兌換之外其實最主要就是他在都跟這段時間的安置的問題 |
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都更這段時間安置的問題沒有辦法達成一個共識它會造成所有現在全台灣包含臺北市、新北市包含高雄市的這些危勞都更的進度緩慢所以是不是署長我們就這一方面來做一些加強繼續來努力希望這些危勞都更的狀況在臺灣可以進一步有一些比較明顯的推動來署長 |
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跟委員報告因為其實我們在歷次的經驗裡面大致上大概爭執點就是你的那個都更計畫裡面你要把這個住戶的租金大概算多久這是第一個第二個就是可不可以放到社會住宅 |
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其實以現在的獨根來講6年8年也是很正常的對對所以這個都是個別計畫裡面是可以檢討因為這個送到這個審議委員會裡面是可以討論的但是過去的經驗看起來都編的偏少了都編的偏少大概都是只有編兩年多兩年或兩年 |
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你如果又要放到社會住宅那個是更大的一個題目所以我才說那個是要另外一個檢討的意義但是我們一般都還是希望他可以放到都跟計畫裡面整個去送審核那這個部分如果我們來檢討如果有需要我們在法規上有更強制性我覺得國土署還是比較上層的這些規範齁要怎麼樣更放寬讓民眾更有誘因讓這些開發有可能可以完成這是我們必須要去努力的方向這個我們會再來檢討 |
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也謝謝部長這一年多來對於內政部的這些努力謝謝辛苦 |
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謝謝主席我們讓部長休息一下部長我先問兩位署長我想請消防署請消防署署長然後還有我們環境部化學署謝署長環境部化學署謝謝 |
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兩位署長好我想請兩位署長上來不用太緊張啦我主要是要討論跨部會的事項所以今天主席這樣有安排我剛好可以藉這個機會一次來請教那今天既然我們要討論的主題其實是東華大學的化學室的實驗大火實驗室的大火是今天的質詢主題之一我就想請問先請問蕭署長蕭防署蕭署長想請問您 |
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在這一次的化學實驗室的大火當中請問我們的環境部所提供的這個化學雲有幫助到嗎?你們有使用到嗎?學校的資料我們在化學雲有查到這個資料所以你們在救災的之前或者是任何時刻有用到這個化學雲的資料嗎? |
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目前在去年的屏東事件以後我們派遣的時候都會把這個資料呈現出來去年屏東開始有那去年屏東以後我們在盤點過以後資料更清楚而且會把物質的那個狀況更清楚的呈現所以簡單講嘛這次到底是有還是沒有有你就給人家肯定啊沒有的話現在是因為沒有所以是不好意思跟你同僚說嗎是這樣嗎有無界的資料有 |
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對 理論上應該是這樣嘛因為我據我的了解應該是在消防隊員第一時間我是不知道非常細節的detail但是在消防隊員要去救災之前其實你們會依據環保署這個環境部這邊所提供的化學營提供的資料會出一份快報給您救災的隊員讓他們能夠掌握災害發生地的現況以至於能夠做出正確的判斷理論上是這樣 對不對 |
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所以這次有發揮功效嗎?知道這個狀況所以對救災有幫助?當然會掌握到現場狀況做必要的判斷那有你就大聲的說有然後幫人家這個環境部肯定一下也給他加分一下嘛對啊那這個有沒有什麼要改進的部分? |
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你們覺得有要改進的部分嗎?法定委員報告事實上這個事件發生以後分成兩個區塊我就單純救化學雲的這個部分好不好用?化學雲目前是已經存在著那當然我們也跟署長這邊在討論怎麼再透過更精進的方法來做強化這個還正在進行是跟委員會報告那同樣的問題請問署長啦也請問我們這個環境部化學署的署長請問一下你覺得你對這次化學雲提供的功能滿意嗎? |
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跟委員報告這次的提供是因為我們跟119的勤務指揮系統是結合的而且是在民營國際之後啊行政院有一些但是民營國際其實就是沒有通報嘛不是嗎我們現在就是調整那個那個等於是表現的方式啦危險的這些提到前面來位置的這些都更清楚 |
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所以這一次是有改善有改善對好 兩位首長都客氣啦老實講本席的立場是這樣子一向是政府如果有做得好其實應該要廣為讓民眾知道說我們有調整有進步而且持續在改善大家可以安心公務員是真的有認真我為什麼今天特別挑這個因為我過去四年在環保我們在衛福衛福委員會嘛 |
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其實就化學營的部分跟你討論過非常多次也是不停的精進要求改進尤其在民洋大火的部分就是特別針對讓我們的消防隊員要入場之前可以知道狀況能夠安心有保障保障我們的消防弟兄是最重要的一件事情嘛不是嗎所以我很想今天我來到了內政委員會我想知道我們努力這麼久的消防營到底對消防弟兄有沒有幫助 |
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蕭署長到底是有還沒有這真的是怎麼沒有給一個痛快的答案這樣對啊跟委員回報啦這個表就是在去年事故以後行政部是啊我們那時候要求很久啊了解現場到底有哪些武士這個已經確定了是 |
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那這次事故學校跟化學署、毒化應變中心也到現場做一個掌握跟了解目前的跨機關合作這個已經既然建立起來化學雲其實掌理了我們所有的各個行政機關不管是從內政消防經濟等等所有在掌管化學物品危險物品有毒物質通通都希望大家能夠存放到你這個部分來嘛那 |
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因此各個機關也在由這個總庫去看我這次事件不管是食物中毒也好啦不管是這種消防也好啊等等可以從我們政府的大資料庫裡面去查找應該相對應的資料嘛這是環境部 |
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在總理這個化學營當中最重要的工作嗎?過去我們討論非常多次我非常期待這次是對大火是能夠有幫助的不過我也看到了說消防署呢其實對於這個圖表的表現方式因為衝進去救援的時候可能要有更直觀的這些資訊你要再調整我也非常的贊成啦所以這是第一點我覺得有公愛秀啦 |
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所以這是第一點我肯定你這邊做的調整從去年民洋大火之後到現在發揮功效這是第一點不過我們現在可以看得出來我們除了希望這個化學雲這個政府的總資料庫對於救災第一線能夠有幫助之外其實對第二層我們也是希望他能夠提供幫助第二層是什麼 |
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2.預防災害的發生從這個部分我也要請教蕭署長蕭署長你覺得我們各縣市的消防設備配備足夠嗎?公平嗎?因為我現在看到這樣的報告其實花蓮縣這次的救災裡面它的化學消防車似乎看起來是不夠的 |
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這樣對花蓮縣是公平的嗎但那裡既然你從化學雲就可以看出有危險的物質是存放在花蓮縣該地花蓮縣卻沒有一個剛好可以足以匹配的救災車可以在那裡這樣合理嗎 |
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是跟委員回報分成兩個部分學校本身跟教育部要去強化的預防火災跟自主接觸跟設備那是一個部分沒錯那是一個部分另外一部分就是消防設備、消防車輛、訓練器材這個部分剛才委員特別垂詢那我們在這次事件本來化學與經費裡面就有一些經費器來補助 |
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那這次事件以後我們整個再盤點一下就後面的年度的經費裡面我們怎麼樣透過這次的災害的教訓那得到什麼樣的優先順序的排列那甚至有哪些滅火器材需要優先來配置這一次事件我們會整個再來檢討一下我們回覆給委員會事實上你同意化學雲可以這樣化學雲的資料可以這樣用嗎 |
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更提早預防的部分我們跟消防署還有我們跨部會有提了最近一起的計劃到113新的計劃114到119其實行政院也核准了裡面就有消防署這邊也編了41億要補助地方政府有關於消防器材、車輛、設備的 |
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他要怎麼去配備其實也可以根據你們的狀況嘛你們提供的資料嘛因為我們從花蓮縣的政事大會來看的話同樣對我們非專業的人來講化學消防車和化學災害處理車這兩者到底有什麼樣的差別坦白講你如果只有給我看說喔我有化學消防車我可能就給過了我就說喔這樣好你們已經足夠了結果不是啊 |
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戲就下去以後才發現說我們先真的就是這樣跳開嘛剛剛學校要怎麼準備自己的實驗室安全那是另外一件事情我們現在在講的是消防署怎麼救災的部分結果你現在告訴我其實以這次的事件來講消防化學化學消防車是不夠的一定要化學災害處理車才有辦法處理結果現在去看花蓮縣有沒有這種車完全沒有啊 |
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那如果沒有的話但東華大學的這個實驗室裡面雖然它是學校的部分但災害一旦發生就變成救災是你們啦那沒有配備怎麼可以呢這不是應該是這個很淺顯易懂的道理所以我才會說其實化學雲它可以提供的功用不只是在第一線的救災地區甚至是後面我們在整備器材的時候我們也應該要看各縣市各地區分配的物質不同 |
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那你的整備器材也應該配合著這不是才是資料的最大運用嗎?主長我這樣講合理吧?是 感謝委員目前 剛剛跟委員回報就目前就整個在盤點就後面化學園的經費裡面我們針對哪些地方不光是車輛的問題還有滅火器材的問題所以滅火器材我們怎麼強化它的 |
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針對不同場所的種類屬性來準備必要的滅火器材這是我們要來檢討來強化來補強這個地方不只是滅火器材老實說我本來想給你看這個日本的規定其實日本的規定就規定得更細緻它所有的設備器材跟我們的這個資訊是不是有辦法可以配合其實人家是規定得非常細的而我們現在看我們自己的 |
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直轄縣市消防車輛裝備及人力配置標準其實都十分的籠統啊針據車輛的裝備都只表示德市轄區特性消防人力等實際狀況配置那我覺得這個都太籠統了那我今天就舉例啦這是一個例子我當然沒有你專業但我就可以以我的角度就可以看出這樣的一個 |
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一個點那我希望能夠把政府已經掌握的資料可以變成未來你們在配置上甚至在訂更細緻標準的時候的一個參考這是我今天提出和別人不一樣的觀點也請兩個署長這邊可以跨部會的配合當然部長在這裡也請部長可以繼續的給予意見這是我今天的建議謝謝 |
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非常謝謝喬惠委員的質詢謝謝兩位署長希望兩位署長會後和教育部你們一定要盤點一下好不好謝謝我在臨時提案也有提出來好謝謝繼續我們請張宏洛委員質詢麻煩請消防署署長有請消防署署長 |
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你好 來署長剛好啦 其實我有一個我們這個化學救災其實我想要請問一下這個署長我們現在的這個這個環保署跟我們這環境部跟我們這邊它這個環境事故專業技術小組它裡面現在目前都是24小時輪班對不對 |
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我們地方只要發生化學災害事故119中心會跟化學署的應變中心再做一個聯繫那這同時化學署這邊的應變中心他也會派遣他的人員到現場做配合跟出庭對他也會派遣人員那環境部你們現在總共有多少人在裡面我們大概有大概總共有200位有10對2中心 |
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24小時值班但如果發生了事情之後是不是這些人值班的人員有的人也要到現場對阿有人到現場之後勒有沒有馬上補足輪班的人員 |
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我們都會有備請人員就是說在平常三班的時候就有備請人員我的問題是發生了比如說像東華大學這種化學災害的時候有的人要馬上去啊 對不對那你的輪值中心的人是不是就少了因為我們有10隊可以就近去支援那你回答我的問題我當然知道你有10隊啊 |
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是不是那些人派出去了?對不對?對不對?阿那個咧?有沒有馬上補足人?現行的運作?現行的運作...就會...我們出勤的會有出勤的你就乾脆跟我講有沒有就好阿沒有我現在不是要救責我們是要解決問題阿對不對?你有沒有發現一個問題 |
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如果是在台灣同時間當然我們不希望有這種事情發生同時間發生了兩個這種化學災害的問題你第一組人你值班人員派出去了 |
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如果有第二件發生的時候是不是短期之內你不一定找得到人派出去喔的確會受影響是不是對對嘛我問你的就是這個嘛對不對那你就回答我就好啦我沒有究責啊對不對那這個問題我覺得我們要補足欸我們要補足這個問題欸我們當然不希望有這種事情發生但你不能避免 |
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尤其有可能在工業區域裡面或什麼的可能這一間工廠影響到那間工廠那你一組人就不夠處理了喔對不對我當然知道這些工作人員非常的辛苦但我們應該適度的去擴編我們必須要有一組人是隨時可以補上的而不是你們輪值的人你輪值的人你根本沒有如果真的有事情你根本來不及啊 |
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對不對?你覺得這個要不要這樣補?是,這我們來檢討來把它拉進來將來把它規劃增加這一部分的準備我一直覺得這一塊可能我們不希望遇到但我們都沒有去思考到這個點尤其像這一次的這個我們看到這個如果你能夠第一個到現場然後能夠處理我覺得有時候可能事情不會 |
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這麼嚴重可能會比較好一點啊畢竟這些都是專業的我覺得這一點我們可能要去把它補足啦好不好 可能之前大家沒有想到但這一點要補足好不好 拜託老師可以齁對 可以可以喔 我們來規劃好 你現在是你說的喔 是喔那大概多久時間我想我們從這個新年度的計畫裡面年度計畫裡面我們就可以先來檢討 |
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紀錄啦你新年紀錄我是問你多久啦這份委員給我們一個月的時間來規劃跟你報告好不好我跟你講喔一個月你要做得到我現在不是在逼你喔你要是做得到的你才跟我講喔你不要跟我說一個月然後我來問你你說沒辦法規劃清醒啦我是說規劃因為這個可能要整個我要的是解決事情我又不是規劃我又不是要寫授誌論文 |
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那規劃我也可以規劃啊對不對你認為多久可以解決這個問題 |
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因為這個牽涉到抱怨計畫的內容的變更不要跟我講那些啦我行政單位也待十幾年了啦我只是想要因為這個問題比較大家沒有注意到但我認為是蠻迫切需要的所以我才問你大概多少時間我沒有給你下期限啊你現在可以好好想一想大概多少時間啊你不要跟我講一些那個若有似乎的空的東西啊 |
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我講我們半年內來規劃好不好好你說的喔我沒有給你壓力喔沒有錯半年喔是好好謝謝那個蕭處長 |
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另外我想請教一下當然這個地震大家都不願意看到但這次我特別有注意到我們台灣的搜救犬其實我們都有不過我們比較偏重在比如說瓦礫、在受損的房屋像現在這一次有一些是在戶外 |
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在山裡在溪裡好像我們的搜救犬這一方面我們著重的方向跟這個比較不一樣所以這一次感覺上搜救犬就會比較吃力他的工作負荷會比較重署長你認為有沒有必要補足這一塊 |
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感謝委員針對搜救犬的催省搜救犬目前真的是成如委員所講有兩大區塊一個就是都市地震的搜救IRO這個區塊應變跟處理那目前這個路已經走很久所以台灣的搜救犬這個區塊已經 |
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我知道我們也是IHO的成員另外VIH就德國VIH在三年前已經開始在做交流那今年也把就是路徑搜索就跟委員槌尋的一般的路徑失蹤搜索這個區塊今年也開始認證也有搜救權認證完成這個搜救權認證完成的數量再跟委員回報目前已經開始在處理這個區塊我們也發現這個問題但是 |
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地震的搜救原理跟路徑搜救原理大概是一致的就是找到人的位置所以目前的這次荒林地震這些搜救犬是地震搜救犬但是他有發揮他預期的路徑搜救的一個狀況當然路徑搜救的區塊我們會強化來執行這個區塊謝謝委員吹噓我知道了我沒有說你們沒有達到目標我是說你們應該這個部分我覺得應該要多一點啦這個預防 |
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未來啊好不好感謝委員好謝謝那不好意思召委我再請那個國土署署長沒有請署長謝謝 |
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那個署長其實這次花蓮那個現在的房屋我們看到報導那其實有很多都是受損的那當然這是地方政府的權責不過你有沒有掌握說那他們對一些受損的有沒有要做任何的補救措施或補強措施他有沒有來跟你要錢 |
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報告就是說現在因為都還在調查中但是現在有一些比較明確的那我們在花蓮地區已經有啟動這個內政部強的這個輔導團已經從上禮拜開始跟住戶開始就逐動逐動都約出來 |
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然後談要怎麼樣進行後續的修章或內政補強這我們已經都開始跟地方政府一起來啟動做這些事情那這樣也就是說我們會請地方政府盡快可以的話排出來當然如果地方政府可以自己處理就自己處理如果需要我們的這個內政補強的輔導團我們都會下去協助他們來做主案的一個說明 |
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署長我今天為什麼要特別問你這個當然這是地方政府的權責但我們要看他有沒有做好我覺得我們要看他有沒有做好因為你也不知道什麼時候再發生地震我們要擔心的是這個那如果你沒有補強好的話這次沒事他現在已經很脆弱了那你下一次如果有我們當然不希望發生那怎麼辦那我們要讓監督地方政府要把他補強好我覺得 |
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我想就對紅黃丹的這個追蹤追蹤還有強制輔導這個我們會來跟地方政府直接談我覺得這一塊很重要啦好不好好謝謝好非常謝謝張宏祿委員的質詢謝謝謝謝也謝謝署長兩位署長三位署長謝謝接著我們請許新英委員來質詢 |
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謝謝主席本席請主計總處陳副主計長請副主計長委員好副主計長好本席首先想請教您我們4月3號花蓮的這個大地震到今天請問中央目前有動用到特別預算嗎 |
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目前就是各部會各部會他是就他所需要救災需要的款項我請教的是你現在有沒有動用到特別預算目前沒有嘛因為就是有的項目如果例如就是說如果有屬於情增預算那就有可能但是實際上你是指 |
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之前的前瞻計劃?今年沒有再特別提出特別預算?我們中央有下去協助震災? |
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我們現在就要請教副主計長我們現在中央各部會是用什麼經費目前中央各部會因為比如說這個交通部、經濟部、農業部等等他們本來就有跟這個比如說道路啊他是用哪個項目他用他的哪個項目的經費 |
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比如說交通部公路局他就會用到這個省道災害准備費對不對那今天來我們內政委員會列席的相關單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費或工程災害準備費 |
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就您了解今天的勞動部、環境部、內政部、原民會還有交通部、工程會當然剛剛交通部您有講了他有用到公路養護費裡面的災害準備費那其他今天列席的單位他們有沒有編列災害準備費 |
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是我跟委員報告因為就是說我們中央就是說各個部會他本來就有一些跟災害有關他的名稱不一定叫做災害準備費所以他有等於是他們是編列他們動用的這次重大天災的經費來源他們是有相關的名目各部不同嗎非常多對那有沒有用到行政院的第二準備金 |
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現在在盤點當中如果有不足的有可能會動用到本席再請教一次4月3號花蓮大地震今天4月15號今年度有沒有再度的中央政府有沒有再度的提出特別預算 |
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目前沒有但是我們目前的經費的籌措就是包括行政院災害準備金以及第二預備金等等都是可用的財源目前可用的財源是優先用第二預備金或是中央的災害準備金 |
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這個部會原來就有以及各部會他自己各基金現有的計畫可以去運用的那我們行政院如果不足的那行政院的災害準備金、第二預備金等等都會用這些優先用而且這些本來就是在我們的總預算裡面應該要編足的項目 |
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是本來就有編列那在行政院公共工程委員會那本席現在秀出這一個就是說我們看到現在中央各部會碰到花蓮大地震 |
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可以用的費用裡面有各式各樣的災害準備金還有行政院的第二預備金這個很明顯再來就是我們行政院公共工程委員會在4月3號一發生大地震之後就有發出一個函這個函上面有特別寫到 |
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依據這個天災要搶救相關作業請各機關要依據中央對各級地方政府重大天然災害救災經費處理辦法這個處理辦法裡面也特別有提到 |
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各地方政府要優先用災害準備金來支應或者就年度的預算來採移緩計及的方式這點副主席長認同吧這是明文規定的對不對那如果地方不足要中央來 |
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中央特別統籌分配稅款,再不足就用災害準備金。」 |
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第17條行政院核定撥補的災害救助包含緊急搶救還有重建復建的經費要以中央特別統籌分配稅款為裁員如有不敷以中央政府編列之災害準備金或者才另籌裁員之印這個是規定所說的 |
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所以我想本席在這裡也要向這個社會大眾因為最近呢從花蓮大地震之後有非常多的這個網路或是媒體都欺騙大眾 |
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說這個花蓮大地震的救命錢要用特別預算如果修正預算法第83條、84條那就會沒有救命錢所以剛剛我們的這個對答質詢我們可以肯定就是說我們中央政府、地方政府都有災害準備金而且有中央統籌分配稅款可以優先來支應所以我們最後本席也想請教副主計長 |
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我們這個特別預算的部分我們為了這個不讓執政的政府執政的政府不應該把特別預算變成特別浪費或特別亂用或特別腐爛你認不認同 |
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我想我們所有的特別預算一定都是以最近這幾年一定先有一個條例然後經過大院的審核非常好所以未審先用是不好的因為這是規避這個監督好那本期的時間有限謝謝副主計長所以我們對於 |
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這個預算法的第83條、84條的修正我們就是要避免債留子孫好 那主席本席接著想請內政部長請內政部部長這個副主計長剛剛您忘了兩次已經忘了跟我回禮了好 非常謝謝你懂禮貌 謝謝請你部長 謝謝所以委員好 |
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部長好從4月3號到今天整個救援的工作還持續所以本席在此也要特別向我們消防署還有投入的空勤總隊以及協助這個勘驗的全國土木技師公會的協助來表達12萬分的敬意那大家都辛苦了 |
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但是後續還有漫長的震災跟重建工作本席想特別請教我們中央災害應變中心是在內政部所以整個的總指揮官應該是部長您吧是那請問我們中央就是說現在對花蓮縣政府的災損、震災還有重建的需求請問中央相關部會有沒有不同的意見 |
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目前撥款的情形? |
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目前不管因為是在各個不同的部會所以我們中央指揮中心不會了解也不會知道我這邊是負責搶救災那災後的這個重建的部分是在工程會統籌那未來我們那天院長去 總統去也有提到我們未來會在花蓮這個地方設一個重建的辦公室 |
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所以未來重建辦公室是內政部去那邊設不是是工程會不好意思請問今天工程會有來嗎有的工程會處長有來那所以本席想接著請教處長我們現在重建工作規劃進度預算來源大概是怎麼樣 |
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我們有分中央的跟對地方的那現在重建的部分對地方的公共設施就是剛剛委員隨行主計長的部分就是災害復建的相關的中央對地方的經費的支用的辦法你重建預計要多久 |
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我今天的報告裡面沒有提到但是上週四的行政院院會資料有提到整個拆除重建要5年的時間所以你的預算應該也是5年去攤吧依據這個規劃進度來攤平嘛就是去按照進度那不好意思再給我一點點時間 |
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內政部長這裡我看到我們今天的報告提到自購住宅貸款利息補貼還有修繕住宅貸款利息補貼要等到今年8月才開辦可以更早嗎4月發生這個災害但是要到8月能不能提早申請 |
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對這個是可以申請的現在就可以申請所以從剛剛我們這個內政部的災害補貼還有我們工程會我們也看到現在很多人講這個地震一發生重建需要一百億需要幾百億這個根本是欺騙大眾誤導民眾而且是混淆視聽 |
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因為整個的重建它有規劃其成而且它有它的工作進度會需要分年來編列部長您認同嗎委員跟您報告現在因為所有的現在還在安置的這個階段後續還有包括重建所以還沒開始重建還有振興 |
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後面還有振興這些工作所以現在這個需求也跟花蓮縣政府正在所以目前連需求都還不知道所以有人說災害一發生馬上要100億這個部長您覺得這個應該是亂說的吧 |
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已經兩個禮拜了你也沒有要一百億啊這個可能包括剛剛在講因為受災最嚴重的其實是交通那交通的一個復原的確需要蠻龐大的一個經費對但不是立即的嘛當然不是馬上因為你這個是分年逐年的這個來編列嘛是不過我補充一點比如說像我們的國家公園可能就需要超過十億以上不過現在需求對你們應該有相關經費編列啊 |
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你們一再要編列災害準備金可能不是災害準備金立即今年可能需要用的我們會跟行政院來提出這個申請那如果需要比如說需要一點時間的話我們會跟行政院來爭取後續重建的計份對嘛需要一點時間好謝謝非常謝謝徐信義委員的質詢 |
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謝謝部長謝謝署長謝謝工程會的署長謝謝繼續我們請吳祁銘交委質詢主席我們請國土署署長 |
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市長4月3號這個大地震現在我們都面臨一些我們的補強動作像在本席的轄區在土城就有好幾次那這一次是花蓮的災情比較嚴重但土城還是有幾次都面臨的已經所有的住戶都已經遷出去了但是我們現在最重要就是要有 |
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我們署長了解說這個所在已經整個人說那個手衣軟腳那個柱子都已經軟掉了在這種情形下你是要怎麼內政補強還是要說一個重建但是現在重建面臨就是說 |
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你農機沒有辦法提升你針對我們這些地震戶你農機沒辦法提升大家的意願還是不高那現在又不能住那你說好那你那個耐震補強你說最高450萬那還不過那你在這種情況下你要怎麼來解決這個問題我現在給你看前面那個主席是那今天你說已經都整個都已經冷靜了吧 |
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人家說已經軟卡條了,你怎麼去解決這個問題其實真的是要阻礙阻礙的看他的樣態那其實因為軟腳蝦的部分他如果確認可以經過補強就是耐震補強的方式來提升他的耐震能力的話那其實當然現在的做法有很多種 |
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那其實我們會之前會有這樣的一個經費上面也是從一些經驗值來看那當然如果說的確有些案子會比較特殊我想我們會就個案的部分再來協助我想這內政的部分大概是比較就是只要個案出來我們會再看他的狀況需要做到什麼程度當然有些如果真的確定即便是以內政補強也沒有辦法達到 |
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比較好的結構安全的話的確它就需要都更跟危老的方式來進行那現在來講以都更來講它就是因為這些舊大樓通常它的容積都已經比法定容積高所以它是是以原有的容積 |
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是以原有容積的1.15倍1.3跟1.15倍就是杜庚是1.3韋老師1.15那這樣的方式來進行那所以其實以他原容再乘以1.3的話其實他是夠的那現在只是說當然現在大家對於杜庚的期待有些會比較高啦就希望真的有一些就想要一瓶換一瓶但事實上每個個案算出來的結果是不一樣的 |
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那這個部分我們還是主案的話我們第一個會簡化程序第二個盡量它是原容的話我們盡量鼓勵它用原容的原有容積的方式來申請獎那個比較好 |
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運營署長現在這已經叫做軟殼、軟殼協調現在已經面臨他們住戶也沒辦法在那邊住有的是紅單有的是黃單那在這種認定之下你說沒多少錢來做整個來做獨耕也好、圍爐也好但是現在最重要的是獎勵的問題因為獎勵不過大家的 |
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建商的投資意願也不高你又面臨你放了幾年大家都遙遙無期所以他們一些民眾他們的期待甚至在中央政府這方面要怎麼來協助要怎麼說在這個農機要如何來做提升他們的意願建商的意願會比較高這種應該是一個急迫性不然你現在 |
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移動大樓都好幾百戶大家都遷出去那現在都去寄住但是你這也不是給我問題啊因為未來你還是要面臨去解決這個問題啊所以說在這個部分是不是說我們國土屬下 |
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採取方案,可以替民眾解決這問題,現在這事應該是比較合及的,這是不是說輸掉這部分,你來做研究?好,這部分我們來探討看,有辦法再來做一個調整嘛對,因為你一定要獎勵嘛,你沒獎勵的話很主持是有啦,可能大家覺得有一些可能或許還不夠這樣子,我知道委員的意思,所以 |
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大致上都是鼓勵他用原有容積的獎勵值會比較好一點你說針對我們的維羅針對我們地震這受災負我們要來個案怎樣來做處理這樣速度應該會比較快 |
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這個我想委員會委員到時候再提供給我們一些建議我們我想接下來的這個危老重建的過程當中我們也會請輔導團找這個住戶來談談看看他們的一些期待那這樣的話可能會有利於加速他們整合 |
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因為這處的地點在我本席的所在土城就已經有34位了所以大家都面臨這個土地這處要怎樣來做圍爐來做肚根這部分是大家可以來研究好不好教育部有來嗎請教育部教育部有教育部我們請代理謝謝 |
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你好,我們教育部的代理市長針對我們土城有兩個學校這次的地震也是面臨的有危險的 |
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會出現在土城國小跟清水國小在這個部分因為協同的安全是我們最注重在這個部分是不是教育部一定要主動跟學校來做聯繫就土城一個土城國小還有一個清水國小因為土城國小算百年的校舍所以在內政這個部分比較不足但是我們說協同的安全我們教育部 |
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這方面也要主動去協助是,委員針對土城跟千里觀賞會請我們許副這邊會後會特別來聯繫學校好的,好那這個部分一定要趕快要積極因為我們學校的安全小朋友他們的安全還是非常重要這是我們家長都是最關心的 |
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好不好好請徐副署長能夠跟召委這樣瞭解一下狀況那委員有關在學校的部分來講這次新北市他們也是有報了一些災損那後續他們其實也是依照程序會透過他們自己的災害準備金或是進到工程會災害準備金來做申請那如果剛剛委員提到的 |
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那早年其實我們也都做過內政的這個出評、詳評到補強那如果您剛剛所提的兩所學校它有額外的需求那我們也會進一步來了解以上好的 要拜託我們教育部主動跟新北市聯絡還有跟學校聯絡好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝召委謝謝好 非常謝謝秦銘召委的質詢 謝謝繼續我們請丁學中委員質詢丁學中委員質詢結束我們要處理臨時提案 謝謝 |
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感謝主席我請那個內政部長有請林部長 謝謝 |
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部長好,感謝部長對這次花蓮的地震這個災情我們內政部都非常積極來協助地方政府來處理這個災情的部分在這也要把我們部長給你報告 |
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地震發生在立法院以外其他地區沒有發生就更嚴重的案件根據內政部統計資料震災後有超過50年有幾百萬戶雖然經過 |
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20年前的921跟這次的震災中沒有發現大規模的災情和損壞但是這個危老房屋耐震能力恐怕沒辦法符合到未來再來這個地鐺的耐震的需求希望我們可以趕快來加強檢測經過這個地鐺之後 |
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我們感覺這個檢測的重要性協助國共才可以渡過、平安渡過後一刻的這個地點強調我們這個新的財產的信心請問國長,我們當專國,我們這個勞務檢測及補償這個重要的進程目前我們內政部有在做補助運動檢測及國共的這個進程是,勞務委員報告 |
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這相關的政策跟經費現在其實都有我們國土署在這個一百四百年到110年的時候其實有做過普查那有一部分的民眾還有房屋他們有提出評估的申請那另外也有提出內政部長的申請 |
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不過因為這次退黨不利得多阿文國土署會再一次的請各縣市針對108年到110年普查的時候有一些這些房子我們會再要求地方政府重新來發通知函提醒這些屋主能夠積極的來提出相關評估或者是補強的申請 |
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我們這個補償的申請補助金額上限是45%我們上限45%我們現在有退關到85%有退關到85%退關這樣比較好不然加一個弱勢住戶他們要完成這個過境的訪問可能會比較困難我也希望說我們將對 |
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50年以上的我們這個老舊建築物希望我們耐心向反法做一個檢測還有一項就是要拜託講講這個公共單位、地方的公共單位就是我們鄉公所、電公所那裡的他們的公所有可能蓋起來都超過50年了這個國分可能也要請地方政府去寬點一下 |
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反點一下,如果有到50年以上的老舊建築物,我們希望我們也是要來做這個內政評估,希望可以,這個內政評估之後,如果有這個威嚇的疑慮,我們希望可以來做應急的一個方式,看要怎麼改善。」 |
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委員報告專告公有的建築物目前內政部長已經完成超過91%所以這都是這幾年來持續都有在進行剛才你說到五十年以上委員稍微說明一下 |
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老不一定是危,他雖然是出了可能兩回比較多,有一定比較多,但是他不一定是危險或者危亂,我們會優先針對危險的建築物的部分來做處理,委員特別提請50年以上的委員會來加強 |
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| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
我請榮良署副署長 |
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感謝您我們正在去透過去看那個蒜頭的這個災害雖然當地應該是會去影響到我們農作物的國分但是我們 |
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也有災害,是因為氣候變遷的災害。」我們待會兒去看,之後這個經過國共事務、透過管政府這個損害的回報率是多少?我可以報告一下,我們待會兒去現場看了那個損害的情形 |
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我們有通緝鄉鎮工作人員孫海的程度他先來補給我們的管理委員會來負責但是那個時間過到現在都沒有工作補的那個沒有什麼人補就算是補救就很久了就是局限而已就是那個對啊我們看那區那個農民有可能是不知道是企業或是管理上有一個造型所以他那些選擇都會派去這個問題 |
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你如果知道蒜頭一分多要五萬塊的本錢現在蒜頭像我跟蔣我分了蔣我分了當我們好位我們好位我住的地方最好到三十五塊再去到沿海都一樣是二十幾塊這個過分 |
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問題出在哪裡?你怎麼知道?因為過去我們的經驗就像你修行酒,這個天氣的關係,修行酒過去的經驗就是說,三農酒介紹,它有比較好啊,怎麼會經營的是三農酒介紹又壞? |
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這是什麼原因?副署長要怎麼解釋?因為我們國人消費這個蒜頭它就是普遍消費我們今年的蒜頭目前來講大門就是四蒜的部分大概在28至35這個多的感覺因為我們本地也有一些部分是進口但是今年進口是比往年還少那我想今年到幾月了? |
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到是大概6000多公噸,以往年還少3個月就6000多公噸,以往年還少,我們這蒜頭多少才給?其實現在比較有蒜頭,不一定會比台灣還要少 |
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比大家的介紹更好所以國人會大部分都是使用國產的蒜頭為主那我想這個價格因為我們生意也差不多要花錢可能差不多婚姻退休差不多要八、九成部分啦那部分來說差不多這個介紹是屬於雙人不是很高的但是在我們來比是差不多一個穩定的這個介紹對這個合理的這個合理的介紹這個穩定對啦婚姻是以農利限 |
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以農利縣我們的農民是真的非常辛苦啦兄弟像剛才我們副署長講的我們婚姻的蒜頭很多的瓶子絕對不會比金融局差一定是比金融局我今天有帶有帶些蒜頭來來這樣你看得出來再一個是金融的再一個是我們台灣的 |
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好!阿智你讚!厲害!這真靠耶!阿智讚!難怪阿智是我們農民的救星!這樣我們來祝福小庭農民!這是阿根廷真靠耶!這是阿根廷的!這是經營的政委啦!它恆大之後,它有發達風存那麼久這是我們台灣的!我們台灣的經濟也很好!經濟這麼好,居然有記錄在那裡賣 |
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所以我們統合起來主席我們是在懷疑是管理的問題但是它是管理的問題我們統合起來感覺起來是有可能是比較大的機會是進口的未來打壓到 |
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| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
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奉託的介紹所以在這裏我要付出怪託一件事既然這個定義定義政靠以來跟這次要保存得漂亮、保存得好沒有發言、沒有歐語都沒有所以我們是未來當採修期的時候採修期我們就不要再給政靠的未來 |
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我們柴修基你要替我負責這件事柴修基救我們不要讓靜靠回來這樣好不好那靜靠有一個關稅、一個協定啦協定有三千多檔那我會說但是其他的高關稅所以剛才我們在說的你也在說而已一月到三月就已經六千多檔了 |
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已經超過我們觀塑的規格,我們觀塑的規格才三千幾噸而已對啊,我們已經超過它的規格,我們更讓觀塑回來,我們就明顯就達到我們軍統的選舉的介紹你看我們的選舉,這麼漂亮、這麼可愛,這一萬聽於第一句,這阿根廷的本領 |
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這次人的鄉土和鄉土真的敵過阿根廷的眼睛了所以我們軍事的選擇拼一顆戰我們就要最盡管轄來行銷、最盡管轄來維護到農民的權利才對是,這邊要努力這樣好不好?是,這邊要努力你們一定要去研究方式當採收期四月四月才開始採收期 |
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14365.635 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
14369.461 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].text |
淨靠的蒜頭都從外面來因為我們台灣的消費量差不多到十幾萬我們台灣的蒜頭差不多到十幾萬這都吃得完吃得完十幾萬以後再淨靠再淨靠但是這個時間點你怎麼設的合適 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
14381.539 |
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14408.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
那好嗎?是,我們都已經收到資料了所以要記錄,採訪期10天可以進行,拜託大家,謝謝感謝主席,感謝副主長謝謝學總委員,副市長你確定嗎?剛剛委員的質詢你確定嗎?就是才收齊的時候是不可以再進行這個因為有關很多這個部分需要再做討論我們再來研議看怎麼樣去協助這一段那你多久研議要讓委員知道? |
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14409.088 |
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14435.969 |
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因為這個包括農業部的部分還有其他一個月之內可以讓委員知道嗎?研議一個月對一個月好不好?你在這邊等我同意我以為是OK了耶你可沒有說清楚我們來研議啦研議所以一個月之內會研議是不是?然後也讓我們知道我的要求就是採收起不要進口不要進口來打壓到農民這樣聽清楚了吧?這個價錢我們一個月來研議 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
14438.75 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
14440.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].text |
我們現在處理零食提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].start |
14457.895 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
14476.222 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
好我們請宣讀今天臨時提案總共有14案請宣讀謝謝臨時提案一2024年4月3日花蓮縣國立東華大學理工學院一館低棟發生地震與化學複合型災害因第一時間無人滅火導致大火不幸延燒整棟建築物雖無人員傷亡但造成近5億的巨大財務損失 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].start |
14477.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
14499.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
一堆動畫大學之學術研究進展產生重大影響,影響甚巨。內政部消防署應本於健全公共安全防災體系,強化消防救災效能之精神,並著重於透過完善消防設備制度以達到火災預防前提下,著手研議各類場所消防安全設備設置標準,有關自動滅火設備設置標準之修正,完善存放化學物質場所之火災預防。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
14500.098 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
14522.061 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
提案人委員蘇巧慧等三人臨時提案二2024年4月3日花蓮縣國立東華大學理工學院醫管第一段發生地震與化學複合型災害因第一時間無人面火花蓮縣消防局無可處理化學災害之消防車輛大火無法第一時間撲滅使整棟建築物遭焚毀隨無人員傷亡但造成近五億的巨大財務損失一堆東華大學之學術研究進展 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].start |
14522.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].end |
14536.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[531].text |
產生重大影響,影響生俱,內政部消防署應本於健全公共安全防災體系,強化消防救災效能之精神,並著重於透過完善消防設備制度以達到火災預防前提下,參佐國外相關消防車輛設備規範,通盤檢討直轄市縣市消防車輛裝備及其人力配置標準,有關各級消防機關設立條件人力分布 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].start |
14544.63 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
14568.51 |
| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
車輛及裝備配置之修整降低存放化學物質場所之火災損失提案人委員蘇曉慧等3人臨時提案3根據內政部統計全台截至2月底已有3,509件危老案經過核准都市危險及老舊建築物加速重建條例106年5月10日上路後為鼓勵申請給予建築物容積獎勵然有關時程獎勵自實施施行後3年期逐年減少 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].start |
14569.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
14589.8 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
自114年5月10日後更將沒有容積獎勵而去112年第4季全國住宅平均屋齡32年老屋有483萬3300宅隨較前一季483萬6400宅為幅下降為老都更數量人杯水車薪若容積獎勵若落日為老都更數將可能大幅降低 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].start |
14590.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14602.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
為鼓勵持續申請委老都更原要求內政部針對容積獎勵延長獎勵時間獎勵容積數亿能增加以提高申請意願及數量是否有當進行公決提案人委員徐玉珍等4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].start |
14603.906 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].end |
14626.728 |
| transcript.whisperx[535].text |
臨時提案4建議花蓮10億大街受疫情與地震之連續影響原本業者由60多家減少到19家可見其經營困難由業者之土地息向台鐵承租援請交通部台鐵公司供其時間積極協調策略性減租並減輕業者負擔一時期10億大街永續經營共創雙營並將延處書面報告於二周內送本院內政委員會提案人委員徐新穎等三人 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].start |
14627.809 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].end |
14646.721 |
| transcript.whisperx[536].text |
臨時提案五建於觀光產業為花蓮縣重要經濟產業花蓮縣強震破壞諸多環境資源對觀光產業影響及廣泛聲援有其面對未來許多景區可能需要長期園區官員休養更增添觀光困境主管機關處應提供業者長期融資渡過南關外如何盤整重建觀光資源重振觀光產業 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].start |
14648.122 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].end |
14662.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[537].text |
榮景才是更重要的重建項目,原請交通部觀光署積極盤點花蓮觀光資源規劃觀光景區域與產業重建方案,並將原署書面報告於下會及開議前送本院內政委員會提案人委員徐新明等三人。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].start |
14663.239 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].end |
14678.399 |
| transcript.whisperx[538].text |
臨時提案6 鑒於本月7日凌晨2時新北市泰山區南亞工廠發生火警經常工廠內盛放大量塑膠原料及製成品其製成品使用聚丙烯等原料製成塑膠膜金燃燒後產生二氧化碳及其他有毒物質、氣體對於現場救災之消防營銷人員 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].start |
14680.902 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].end |
14700.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[539].text |
需確保有足夠數量之穿戴式空氣呼吸器以確保自身健康及安全。」依據內政部消防署發布之消防人員救災安全手冊第三章消防人員於農業密布之火災現場執行救災任務時需穿戴空氣呼吸器以保障自身安全。原此提案要求內政部調查全國消防機關現有空氣呼吸器之數量及紀念 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
14701.218 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].end |
14720.816 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
中央補助地方政府購置空氣呼吸器之數量補助各地消防疫消所需空氣呼吸器必要配備確保趕赴現場救災之消防疫消人員均有足夠數量之消防救災專用之空氣呼吸器以維護現場救災人員之健康及生命安全提案 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14722.057 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].end |
14738.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
委員許與珍等4人。臨時提案7有關林口8里段新P道路工程主要優先設定林口去A3計劃道路新P工程第一期及105市道改善蜿蜒路段新P工程第二期目標第一期於2023年12月26日正式開工第二期105年 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].start |
14742.588 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].end |
14770.019 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
105世道改善蜿蜒路段新幣工程意志刻不容緩為考量地方財政壓力該工程已納入內政部生活圈道路交通系統建設計劃其以補助7成比例加速辦理推動工程執行並配合2025年完工之淡江大橋對巴黎林口間的龐大車流及本工程2028年完工通車之目標原提案要求內政部一個月內請示行政院追蹤此案掌握進度、緊述和訂定向國人報告以落實地方交通建設之穩健發展 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].start |
14771.44 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].end |
14790.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[543].text |
提案人委員徐宇貞等4人臨時提案8專案災害防救業務主管機關內政部委統整0403花蓮震災之復原重建工作加速災區民眾辦理不同單位之各類補救助申請事項請內政部於一周內成立0403花蓮震災單一服務受理窗口提案人委員高金素梅 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].start |
14791.688 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14812.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
臨時提案9.4月3日華聯大地震引發國立東華大學實驗室失火事件致目前臺灣可撲滅D類金屬火災僅有滅火器而具撲滅D類火災之消防車則5原此請內政部應一個月內研議與114年編列相關預算並請教育部盤點各級學校由理工學院化學系化學實驗室社團等 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].start |
14812.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].end |
14833.224 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
是否皆有配置對應之面火器其中針對低類金屬火災之面火器更是不可缺少上述設施設備存放及使用等規劃教育部及學校營運與內政部消防署及各地方政府共同管理緣此請教育部與內政部研議如何與學校及地方政府建立橫向聯繫及安檢機制請於二個月內提供報告提案人委員高金素美 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].start |
14835.055 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14856.847 |
| transcript.whisperx[546].text |
臨時提案使花蓮地區於0403地震前每年遊客達上千萬人次震後許多主要觀光景點遭到重創其中太魯閣國家公園尤為嚴重且因林外道路及大中運輸附近仍需時間因此對從事觀光產業相關之業者如餐飲業民宿及飯店業者等急需政策與支持度過災後重建起請經濟部、教育部、文化部及委員會等單位 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].start |
14859.088 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
14882.219 |
| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
請經濟部、交通部、文化部及委員會等單位參酌新冠疫情期間之紓困及振興方案與一個月內提出具體執行方案以協助業者度過最終艱困之時刻提案委員高津素梅提案11.0403花蓮地震發生至今,余震超過800次氣象署也表示,未來一個月余震活躍不排除達規模5以上的地震部分災區公共設施災後復建經費之提報受緊急搶寫 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].start |
14884.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14902.329 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
搶通作業不起之影響或因爲正新增災害地方政府公所無法與工程會所定113年5月6日前將完整復建經費需求函報行政院原此請行政院公共工程委員會考量地方政府救災與勘災不易卓與放寬災後復建經費提報之期限提案人委員高金素梅 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
14903.169 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14922.797 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
年時提案十二有鑒於各類震災規範標準年久未修如衛生福利部管轄的財團法人震災基金會重大天然災害災民鎮住和幾要點之死亡鎮住、失蹤鎮住、重傷鎮住、緊急救助、住宅重建鎮住等項目自民國97年至今未調整原住民族委員會府 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
14923.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14951.428 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
輔助原住民疾難救助實施要點災害救助額度及天然災害原住民住宅重建補助作業要點一分別自民國92年及100年至今未調整政府輔助政策本應與時俱進使符合民情請各權責機關與一個院面完成檢討並研議修訂相關要點所提高之標準並追溯適用於113年0403花蓮震災或承包行政院核定後實施提案人委員高金素梅 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].start |
14952.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14970.189 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
臨時提案134月3日花蓮正在邊坡落石告警系統在地震發生時提出預警成功預防意外發生又4月10日花蓮和平段因為設置邊坡落石告警系統而造成台鐵普悠瑪號插庄落石事故而4月13日嘉義縣市凌晨發生超過8起地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14970.869 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14992.07 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
氣象署也指出,嘉義未來將持續有規模三至四級的地震,為加強台鐵整體列車行程安全,預防列車行駛意外發生。警察台鐵在全台已設置26處邊坡落實告警系統,後續還將偵測38處。敬請交通部與一個月內全面檢討東岸及西岸鐵路偵測危險路段落實告警系統。」提案人委員王美惠等4人 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].start |
14993.671 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
15018.619 |
| transcript.whisperx[553].text |
臨時提案14受0403地震影響國立東華大學因電路系統故障起火陸續延燒致化學實驗室並造成極大致災損經查幼嶼花蓮縣峽內主要化學物質系以油類為主如汽油、柴油等油槽故因往化學消防車採購均以泡沫化學消防車為優先相較缺乏肝等或其他特殊滅火藥劑致化學消防車為此次東華實驗室存放大量化學物質及藥品 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].start |
15019.299 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].end |
15046.91 |
| transcript.whisperx[554].text |
並不適用泡沫化學消防車故救災救火行動費時甚久為了因應特殊淨水性化學物質火災確保國人及學子生命財產安全無虞建請教育部針對全臺各學校實驗室所屬學術機構進行全面性的體檢確保實驗室注意事項確實落實並請消防署協助教育部提供之上開各級學校學術研究機構所在地之指向事先是消防局之化學救災量能是否充足 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].start |
15047.31 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].end |
15068.462 |
| transcript.whisperx[555].text |
提案人委員王美惠等三人宣讀完畢臨時提案第1、第2、第3、第9、第12、第14因為跟各委員都已經協商過了所以我們按照文字修正的通過然後第4、第5、第6、第7、第8、第10、第11、第13案我們就照案通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].start |
15069.875 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].end |
15085.763 |
| transcript.whisperx[556].text |
好,我們現在因為以下還有很多本委員會的人還要質詢所以需要多一點的時間所以我們先休息20分鐘主席,第1、第13齁,來臨1、2、3、4、5那個第一段的最好一段3至4集,那裡集刪掉 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].start |
15101.732 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].end |
15106.275 |
| transcript.whisperx[557].text |
7項署也指出嘉義未來將持續有規模3至4級的地震 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].start |
15122.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].end |
15130.621 |
| transcript.whisperx[558].text |
沒關西這樣只改掉規模來我們看一下第13案我們修正一下好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].start |
15134.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].end |
15137.132 |
| transcript.whisperx[559].text |
地震,3至4的地震。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].start |
15159.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].end |
15159.675 |
| transcript.whisperx[560].text |
全體委員會議員會議員會議員會議員會議 |
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15184.832 |
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我來問問看他你們也打電話給蔓越正委的辦公室好不好謝謝 |
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監督不要夾斗!監督不要夾斗! |
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全體委員會 全體委員會 全體委員會 全體委員會 全體委員會 |
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謝謝好OK辛苦了拜託喔加一拜託喔拜拜辛苦了拜拜 |
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全體委員會全體委員會全體委員會全體委員會全體委員會全體委員會 |
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好大家辛苦了用完餐了好我們現在繼續開會請沈默洋委員質詢好謝謝主席那有請部長謝謝有請林部長謝謝 |
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第一個就是這個災害防救中心那災害防救中心它本身有這些颱風、空氣等等的這些資訊但是因為第一時間民眾在災害發生的時候需要的資訊顯然是會比較多的所以我們辦公室在這個一開始發生的時候就整理了不少的資訊像這個樣子 |
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譬如說我們去整理了各個比如說空運、海運、鐵路、客運等等之類的那也包含就是說譬如說他現在如果要申請補助他應該要往哪裡做所以這個下面這些資訊我們整理了大概40幾頁那也就是供民眾觀覽 |
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因為我們畢竟辦公室人手也不足大概也不能做得太完整但我的意思就是說像這種災害發生的時候中央的一種統一資訊的平台似乎對民眾會很有效用那我這邊有放一個這個這個日本的方式就譬如說這個安否譬如說這個人能受保安全 |
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交通跟物流我覺得是這一次這個花蓮他們最關心的還有這些受災的狀況啊氣候的狀況啊就這些資訊如果能夠更完整的像日本的這種網站更新在上面的話似乎可以對民眾會有更多的幫助所以不知道呢會不會未來會有這方面的一些計畫這樣子 |
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其實我們現在有一個消防防災一點通那其實那個共同圖像其實基本的底圖圖資其實都建立在那個地方我們可以隨時在這樣的底圖上面往上面加 |
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因為圖資上面又可以加個大頭針啊然後這邊發生什麼事啊等等之類的我覺得因為就是原本就已經有個系統那系統再往上加強的話應該對人民會很有幫助那這是第一點那第二點就是說這個災禍重建條例因為從昨天新聞就一直在講重建條例這件事情 |
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那我當然覺得其實最大的重點還是在於說第一個當然我們要有相當的一個預算然後預算要能夠到位能夠真正幫助到這些受災戶那我就是盤點就是這些重建條例因為以往最有名的兩個重建條例一個是921的一個是這個莫拉克颱風這個災後重建條例那這兩個重建條例其實跟我們現在的這個災害防救法其實有很多的重疊因為災害防救法修過很多次了 |
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那我們這邊做了一個表格就是說以莫拉克風災為例因為它比較近一點還有住宅跟財務的援助也有這個生活就業的支援保險財務等等稅務等等所以這些其實是那一個條例本身比較特別的地方因為我覺得一個要條例還是不要條例應該要看的是如果我們現行法能夠解決那其實我們根本就不需要條例但如果有現行法不能夠解決的事情的話那這個條例就很必要 |
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所以第一個當然就是他組織架構就是說他有沒有相關的委員會這個災防法其實也有那另外一個就是我現在附在這一個表格上面的那另外還有一個就是行政程序的加速那災防法目前有三條行政程序的加速那這個穆拉克颱風那一次大概有五個條文稍微比較多一點所以不知道這邊有沒有一個評估就是說因為重建條例這個聲音現在出來那是不是有哪些是我們現在的法令沒有辦法沒有辦法做到的才需要這個重建條例是有缺少什麼嗎 |
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好 謝謝委員其實我們在做災害防救或者是說在應變的時候最重要有三個工具第一個是法律第二個是機制第三個是預算那台灣在921這個地震之後其實我們把這三件事情其實全部都建置起來所以我們在做相關的一個應變的時候為什麼這一次可以得到國際上的一個肯定我們速度可以這麼快跟這個有很大的原因 |
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其實我在去年的時候去美國訪問我們也去接近人家的一些災防應變的一個機制其實我們可以發現臺灣真的是世界一體的反而是溝通交流之後反而是臺灣有許多是美方他們認為應該要接近的 |
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那所以在這一次的不管是搶救災或者是現在在做安置或者是後續要做復原跟重建以及這個振興我們其實相關的工具基本上現在都有那現在匯成起來評估呢我們現在的預算 |
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在現有的一個預算的範圍裡面基本上也可以來做支應不過為了慎重起見我們也跟華南縣政府還有各部會正在做進一步的一個盤點那院會來進行相關的一個整合的一個會議 |
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那剛剛部長提到就是工具、法律跟預算那法律的部分其實因為我這次在花蓮其實也從發生以來到現在為單了5天所以呢其實一直以來就是一直看到底有沒有相關法規比較不足的地方那目前看起來其實是比較沒有所以反而是剛剛最後一個提到的到底預算足不足夠的這一個問題那我稍微來這個 |
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預算跟善款這兩件事情我覺得可以討論一下第一個就是行政院在這個第一天的時候就有說會撥3億直接到這個花蓮縣政府那這個3億是其中一塊然後後來又有這個衛福部這個震災基金會那目前可能募到7億多了9億多了所以這又是另外一塊那因為這個我只要先跳過了就是9億這個部分它會有下面這個震災基金會裡面的要點 |
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所以他會根據這個要點做發放那現在對我們來講就是說呢如果民眾他只要符合這些要點照理說縣政府在盤點資源之後應該就會直接過去所以對我們來講這個9億他到底會怎麼進行地方怎麼執行應該是比較清楚的那我想問的是那個第一個就最早的那個3億要怎麼知道這個3億能不能夠確實的到這個花蓮的人民身上 |
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這部分3億是應急的錢也就是為什麼在第一個時間馬上撥了3億給這個縣政府就是讓他去處理一切他認為應該要緊急處理需要用的這些經費包括對災民的一個輔助、衛助或者說包括相關安置的一個開銷但 |
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規定完成後續程序 |
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致用的原則包括災害援助、緊急醫療、收容安置以及復原重建這是分成不同的應儲階段不管捐款是多少錢全部都會用在這四個項目裡面 |
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那另外如果萬一不夠的話因為震災基金會他的自用的原則跟後續要自用的整體的金額他會依據行政院我們各部會提給行政院行政院來核定的這個相關的一個計劃來做這個經費的一個使用 |
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那最後最後必須要把使用的這些息目都公告在這個他們的網站上面讓每一筆的捐款人他都了解他捐的錢去到了哪裡那另外有一塊就是地方政府的捐款的這部分那地方政府在這過去也行之多年 |
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其實同樣跟震災基金會有一個差不多的一個機制來做這個善款的一個運用那最後最後才是我們政府的相關的一個公務的一個預算好那我現在因為比較擔心的震災基金會因為要點還有它這個所在運作的一個方式大概是比較清楚那就是第一筆那個3億的款項它到底是要花蓮縣政府這邊編然後還是說就是還是中央這邊就有一個規則 |
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我們是用中央的統籌分配稅款直接撥3億給地方政府不過他最後他還是要這3億他用到哪裡去還是要回到統籌分配稅款的相關的這個資用的一個相關的辦法 |
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因為這個目前的地方上就一直在說之前這個0406這個善款到底怎麼運用提出了很多質疑那這個我看到這個婦婚期委員也有提到說這個地方縣議員自己就有說要做這個裝置藝術但因為地方議員提的是用縣府的預算做裝置藝術他不是提用善款 |
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所以善款跟這個憲法的預算又是分開的但目前在地方執行上呢因為這一次副官級委員講的就已經把這兩個混在一起了所以我很怕說前面這一塊在運用的一個方式我們在對外的說明上面又混在一起這樣人民會不知道到底要怎麼去取得然後怎麼樣讓這些資金運用到自己的身上所以後續我們可能還會再繼續追這個方向謝謝好 謝謝沈博洋委員的質詢謝謝部長 謝謝繼續我們請鄭天才委員質詢 |
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主席、各位委員有請部長有請林部長所有委員好部長好 |
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0403地震災害救助這個是你們所公告的這針對自購住宅貸款利息補貼今年8月才要開始為什麼要8月可以提早嗎現在就可以申請了這是你們公告的是現在就可以申請然後你們這個最近在行政院簡報的時候 |
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時間你們也是另外寫說是另外的時間了所以這部分再把它讓大家知道啊然後這個金額我們看這個金額 |
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最高可達至過住宅貸款利息補貼最高可達210萬至250萬年限休暫住宅貸款利息補貼優惠額度最高80萬 |
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我們看那個就是內政部在行政院所做的報告裡面也提到一樣的然後另外有針對自行租屋這個政府租金補貼3口以內8000塊最高8口以上1.8萬我自己一些例子然後這個這剛提到的重建的利息補貼那些剛我已經念過了這個怎麼了 |
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好下一張怎麼會變兩個不要動不要動我來動抱歉啊這裡面建築物那裡評估這些數字還有集合式住宅那些數字我要談的是什麼呢921 |
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921的時候民國88年喔921民國88年當初這個貸款額度利率購屋及住宅重建貸款每戶最高350萬多比現在現在的這麼低然後經過88年到現在幾年的這個然後這些還有還有分喔利率也有分喔921的話 |
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立例也要分相關的這些莫拉克的莫拉克的房屋租金戶內人口3口以下6000塊98年108年現在是113年現在這個房屋房價租屋租金的額度都差很多了我的意思說現在的規定太少了好 |
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我們看了這個是我的具體的建議莫拉克921民國88年到現在20幾年25年了相關的金額應該要增加租金租屋的金額這第一個第二個當時350萬以下 |
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然後150萬以下是免息現在都沒有免息的問題要去做7分現在如果以當初921來去換說25年的話現在應該每戶要最高到貸款額度要1000萬然後450萬以下要免息修上貸款也是一樣要做因應不同為什麼 |
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為什麼我們會主張要定特別條例是這個意思好沒錯我們看921民國88年當初定了一個921震災重建暫行條例莫拉克颱風民國97年定了一個重建特別條例好你們說沒錯後來制定了災害防救法所以 |
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有兩個途徑第一個現在定0403的特別條例這是一個途徑第二個途徑很快的去修災害防救法把這些921跟莫拉克風災這些特別的規定要納入到災害防救法裡面傳那個我這邊右邊看一下震災風災個案的救助額度 |
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及租屋補貼、重建之額度、利率、年限不應該因災害的契約大小而有所不同。」就個案而言就一個受災婦而言你是一個很大契約的受災但是就個案的受災婦而言是一樣的你不能因為災害期921的時候災害期很大 |
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摩拉克的時候災期一縮小一點現在0403一縮小一點不應該有差別待遇所以要很快的當然就是0403地震的特別條例第二個一定要去修這個災害防救法 |
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去做比對哪些在921有的穆勞科颱風災害特別條例有的災害防救法還沒有納入的把它納入進去部長可以嗎謝謝委員的詮詢謝謝委員可以看我們今天的口頭報告第6頁第6頁的這邊其實已經有提到的這個數字就是你剛剛在講的 |
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我們實際上災民的重建構住宅貸款利息補貼這個每戶最高是350萬已經不是剛剛那個數字是350萬第二個修繕的住宅貸款利息補貼最高是150萬所以這個就是如你剛剛所說的這個比照的921 |
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委員剛剛的數字可能有一些出入不過給你做補充另外是我們租金的一個補貼的額度在這一次也已經提高到三口的部分就已經是八千然後最高可以到八口可以到一萬八每一個人就是增加兩千這部分的金額是我們跟這個依據花蓮縣政府所提出來的需求我們把它立即的做了一些提高跟修整這邊跟你做報告 |
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我的資料是你們的資料沒有錯350萬350萬要弄清楚300這是你們在行政院上上禮拜的行政院會的報告我這邊是寫350萬我沒有錯我沒有引用錯誤你剛剛前面那個那個是也是你們公布的你上網就有那是舊版對也是今年0403之後公布的 |
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那是舊版這個是新的我的意思是說你剛也提到了這個350萬是921的時候的350萬25年之後還是350萬所以要調可以嗎委員我想這個部分我們都可以來做進一步的一個討論一定要一定要是謝謝委員的建議不是只有針對這一次未來就算一個小災害 |
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7很小也應該所以我的具體的建議第一個要提高另外就是說這個很重要的就是說這個剛才講的災害防救法的修正把這個相關的這些納入進去而且還要特別提到要因應要因應什麼很多的比如說房價 |
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防通膨膨各方面的要做事實的去檢討所以這個部分因為時間的關係我先就這個 |
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原民會、內政部、一山神學院、花蓮港教會、馬眼天主堂、花蓮基崎天主堂、 |
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這個跟延民會跟內政部都有關係委員那個在4月16號副院長組織會議裡面的已經同意有關政府的教會損失可以用震災的善款來支應這個是震災基金會我知道這個政府也應該負擔我要跟部長說我要跟這個這個署長說921的時候政府就有投入 |
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921因為我身歷其境921的時候就有投入政府的經費而不是民間的監管以上 |
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好,非常謝謝今天財委員的質詢,也謝謝部長、署長還有處長我要說明一下,震災基金會沒有修繕的部分,沒有我那個所有的四大項裡面沒有修繕,只有重建跟購屋的部分這也是我早上的時候垂詢震災基金會的時候,希望他們能夠修改條例 |
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把修繕也放在裡面,不是只有重建。」 |
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所以委員好部長署長好辛苦了昨天我跟一些委員我們到花蓮主要去慰問災民那麼其中他們有一個反應就是因為在花蓮受損的房屋非常非常的多那其實他們都願意自己出錢就是來檢視整個房屋受損的狀況可是現在花蓮災區碰到的是祭祀的嚴重不足 |
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計師嚴重不足所以在這一點就是我趁著今天的質詢也幫著花蓮災民請願就是來請願希望我們中央趕快去協調更多的結構計師、土木計師相關的計師能夠到花蓮去協助他們來看災好不好 |
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這部分沒有問題另外剛才正天才委員也提到我剛剛也在看到報告裡面確實你們住家休善利息的補貼你說現在可以申請但是呢要到8月份才開始為什麼要遲到8月份開始能不能從4月份開始或者能從5月份就開始 |
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因為我們那個是逐年那說明一下是你4月申請是到8月才會核給你但是一樣是有效的不是有效你的補助是從你補助是4月的利息5月的利息還是從8月的利息才開始補助對 |
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現在都是算的就是說只是要給你幾戶那個補貼是從8月份給你那這就沒有問題也就是說他現在受災他現在去申請貸款那他是願意出現了開始貸款利息就已經可以開始補貼了只是到8月份的時候這個錢才會入帳 |
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這OK另外要請教一下現在事實上在都會區裡面我們特別提到在這一次的0403的震災之後其實是一個老問題就是都跟圍繞重建是不是能夠加速我們事實上知道在全台灣 |
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屋領50年以上的是超過百萬棟啊可是我們現在比如說危老重建到現在也核准不過3500多件所以我們過去就在講說我們現在不是歸宿啊是極歸宿極歸宿極歸宿可能真的要全部把這個50年以上的房子要重建可能要到好幾百年100年以後200年以後甚至300年以後所以現在我就直接要拜託部長跟我們署長 |
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回憶老重建條例因為它有第一個落日條款它的落日條款是在114年5月之後有關於時程獎勵的部分就會由原來剛剛開始實施的10%逐步的降低比如今年的5月開始時程獎勵就只剩下2% |
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到了明年只剩下一趴然後到了明年就歸零了這個其實我們立法院委員其實在關心這個議題當時花金群次長說 |
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維老重建條例不會落日可是問題是你的施生獎勵今年就變成只有一%了到了今年五月開始它的施生獎勵就降成只有一%所以我要講的是如果施生獎勵只剩下兩%跟一%請問一下維老重建就沒有什麼特殊的誘因了 |
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你若要補足的話就是按照面積嘛我們都知道面積的話大面積就是走渡耕嘛對不對危老重建最好的就是第一個它可以比較小它的面積可以比較小它可以比較快速然後它可以剛開始推出的時候它趕快去搶這個實成獎勵它的基地小沒有關係好那所以雖然這個危老重建條例已經實施了一段時間 |
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但是馬上我們就看到他馬上就落日而且我剛講五月份他的時針獎勵就只剩下一耙一耙真的沒有任何的誘因所以在這裡我具體因為今天我有提案也謝謝我們續政委員來幫忙主題案 |
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這個部分有關於危老重建條例的部分我們內政部可不可以趕快重新的檢視補足它的誘因否則它的誘因不足的話我們在特別是雙北地區我想現在部長應該非常關心雙北地區這些老房子的問題 |
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那是不是可以趕快的去著手違老重建條例的落入條款的一個修正然後重新的再規劃新的容積的獎勵來部長或者署長 |
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我簡單跟委員報告之後請署長補充這個當初要有一個時程的獎勵是希望能夠加速對沒錯所以它越快越好所以當初要定一個這個不過我們後續它雖然是時程的獎勵結束但是我們會提出其他的一個獎勵的一個設計我請吳署長做說明可是請署長因為現在很多人關心那它到底要不要升級為老呢對不對 |
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感謝委員其實當時就是因為10成獎勵一般來講大概都不可以超過5年但是因為我知道大家都會很關心還是要希望有10成獎勵所以才會有逐年遞減那改用規模獎勵也就是說只要你基地能夠湊到200平方公尺以上我們就依照程度不等不等了再給予一些規模獎勵讓雙方去銜接我想這是當時做這樣的一個修正的一個的用意那第二個就是說也感謝委員 |
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我們之前就有因應這個危老不要落日這件事情已經開始在跟收集各界的意見讓我們會適時的提出修法因為危老的確對民間來講相對是比較方便比較快速嘛我們常常講都更起碼等10年啊對不對 |
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那圍繞如果說真的大家雖然的戶數少那大家如果有一定的共識願意大家都同意的話他很快就可以啟動圍繞重建所以我覺得要快好不好 |
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我再補充一個因為危老重建的這個條例其實它有許多好處不過在執行的過程裡面我們也發現一些問題比如說變成這個鉛筆或者是瘦瘦長長的狀況所以我們會在這一次呢一併把發生的這些問題一併把它做檢討希望讓它做得更好 |
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對你可能覺得說不要到時候最後呢就變成零零落落我知道在都更的話對於整個的市容對整個都市規劃是比較符合都市計劃的那為老事上就是要解決我們現在太多的老舊房子的問題 |
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另外一件事情這也是我們臺北市政府在其實在這次0403之前其實就有提出我也會提出修法就是我們在都更條例裡面我們的適用對象原來是實施管、容積管之前以新建完成之合法建築物但是在實際上不是只有臺北市新北也一堆那麼事實上 |
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他們就碰到了很多的問題所以希望把它能夠修正就是在實施容積管之前已經申請建物執照或者以新建完成之合法建築物我知道其實內政部也在 |
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在研究我現在都覺得說因為有這個地震的關係我們都希望能夠全力的能夠促成獨耕促成危老重建所以這個部分這個修法能不能在我們這個一個月內提出會不會能在近期之內就可以把它提出 |
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委員跟你報告我們現在最新的進度是已經進到部會的協商所以是不是讓我們部會協商完之後再來提出會比較好那你們大概有沒有準備什麼時候大概一個月兩個月 |
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我希望能夠快速一點能夠解決我們會加速不過部會之間可能會不同意見我們盡快在3個月之內來協商有所最後的一個更新有一個時辰會比較好一點我們來努力謝謝好 謝謝王洪偉委員質詢謝謝部長 謝謝署長 謝謝繼續我們請洪孟楷委員質詢 |
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主席謝謝麻煩請林宥昌部長也請林部長我們主計總處副主計長副主計長委員好部長好副主計長那個我想確認一下因為上午大家就講到這0403的震災的部分那災後很多的救援那我本身也看到是說我們初估是目前損失約10億元左右是不是 |
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我先跟你報告那個是我們國家公元署的部分國家公元署而已嘛那有沒有針對全對好因為本席在教育文化委員會的時候也有詢問就是說光學校的部分學校教育文化委員會在上禮拜給本席的資料是說差不多全台20幾億那其中包括說東華大學是最嚴重的有將近20億好所以那本席也想詢問啊到目前為止在0403這樣子一個狀況有沒有初步統計各部會到底 |
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我們災後重建需要多少費用?」各位委員報告現在目前就是我們院裡面有在彙整但是因為有一些經費還在估算當中什麼時候會出來呢?這個部分可能會後我們再了解看看 |
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上禮拜行政院副院長鄭文燦副院長我們已經有初步開過一次會不過因為災區都還在有一些新的狀況所以沒有進入到實際有受損的這些地方金額比較難估上禮拜我們有初步估就是各部會初步估不過現在都還在滾動地去修正有沒有找花蓮縣政府 |
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花蓮縣政府他會就他的部分來提出不過因為他會分成幾個幾塊比如說他的公件的部分或者說他的災民的安置的部分或者是那一天上禮拜這個總統到花蓮的時候又提出來譬如說振興的部分那振興的部分不會在這個階段提會等到搶救災安置到一個段落之後再來提出 |
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本席其實講到的就是重點就是說其實這個重建的部分它是一個有計劃性的而且分階段的第一是讓災民可以說安置第二是家園的重建以及第三的地方的一個復甦包括說產業的復甦包括說這個相關這個縣市觀光等等復甦這也是為什麼我覺得今天召委安排非常好他讓所有部會大家都來可是照理講 |
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今天我們要立法院開這個會0403距離現在也已經十幾天過去了那初步應該也要有一個金額以及後續我們才能討論是說到底是二倍金七十幾億還是災害準備金二十億就夠還是說我們必須要另外的一個重建條例嗎那如果說我們連最基本就是說我們到目前都不知道說到底 |
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我們的一階段、二階段、三階段要花多少錢那我們怎麼有辦法討論下去所以什麼時間點會出來是委員跟你報告通常一個月內差不多要一個月的時間我沒有辦法幫院來回答這個問題不過照過去的經驗差不多要一個月的時間趙偉下一次直接請行政院秘書長來還是我們也沒有辦法叫院長副院長現在總諮詢也結束了院長副院長也要打包走人了 |
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那怎麼辦委員我剛剛跟你報告就今天來說差不多要一個月的時間一個月是必須的所以一個月應該各部會因為現在各部會也會診了嘛其實今天來的所有部會大家也都已經報給行政院有一個會診我們到底預計要花多少經費嘛是不是 |
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那個是初步的彙整不過都一直在變所以我確認一下很多人也有在講是說其實我們國家也都有準備相關的一個預算如果說不用用到特別預算的話可以第一時間就先用就所謂的二倍金所以主席長二倍金是不是我們有70幾億 |
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我們是有編74億預備金還有災害準備金20億所以總共我們在總預算的時候就已經有準備將近百億的一個預算因應國家突然間發生什麼樣重大的一個狀況來做事實的一個調整 |
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那即便是之後我們也可以用特別預算的話特別預算法83條第三款的部分國家發生重大災情就是所謂的這個天災我們也可以來編列特別預算對不對我想特別預算只要符合條件那就是看主要還是看到時候我們經費籌措的情形那目前為止就是說各部會目前在經費上都還是足夠的 |
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都還足夠嗎?因為我們現在連損失到底有多少錢都不知道然後你跟我講都還足夠會不會太樂觀?一直在滾動檢討是啊所以這樣子副主席長要不要先把都還足夠這個話給收回因為都還滾動檢討我們都還不知道說重建要多少費用你現在就講足夠了是 |
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跟我們我是說就目前已經估出來的那個部分我們一直針對就還在預算的剛剛部長有講到三階段包括第三階段的一個復甦嘛好來部長我再跟你請教啦本期還是強調是說 |
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我們要一起重建大家一起努力那這個是大家共同所以說當然要把整個計畫做得完善這一點是希望我們副主席長這邊能夠帶回去在整個編列預算的時候要如實的來跟院來做一個負責任的報告部長 |
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這一次天王星的大樓有人就講有日本的專家或是說有媒體這邊來做整理過去幾次重大的地震造成大樓倒塌都有幾個共通性本席覺得是有道理的包括說什麼一樓它是棋樓一樓只有柱子上面的這個樓層都是石層樓以上以及這個建築物差不多是35年以上的整個樣態所以當地震來臨的時候它可能 |
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有一點點軟腳的部分就是前面有柱子然後上面又重然後他就往一個地方這個柱子那邊傾斜好那大家就想啦我們料敵從寬防範未然也許沒有辦法全台去清查因為之前我們也整理過資料我們現在全台灣50年以上屋齡的房子有差不多一半對不對 |
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我們平均的屋齡是30多年40年我們50年以上的屋齡我現在只是講是說如果我們短時間沒有辦法各縣市全面的稽查或說全面了解說這些建築的狀況那能不能先針對這幾個重大的樣態就歸類法 |
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已經看到說這個10層樓以上一樓只有柱子而且是棋樓還有就是屋齡至少35年的這一些建築物能不能立即的做一個通盤的一個調查瞭解或是檢討是 各位報告我們在這個之前其實曾經做過全國的快篩那也把這樣子的一個建築物的一個清單有提供給各地方政府那從108年到110年之前是什麼時候 |
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108年到110年的時候有做了一些改善跟努力這次天王星大樓有被放在108年那個時候的快篩完之後的列管 |
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他是皇冠改善然後做修建但是他並沒有做耐震補強細節部分我請吳署長來做解釋來吳署長簡單回應一下感謝委員其實就是我們當年向委員講的這些就是屬於他有可能是屬於落成結構的部分從108年到110年我們有快篩出來大概全台灣 |
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一萬兩千多件一萬兩千多棟對不對對那所以這些都有傳給地方政府也請他們在後續的公安檢查上面應該把這個列入優先檢查的項目但是好那這樣子內政部長以及相關後續的公安加強的部分誰要來做當然就是地方政府然後當然就是因為 |
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建築物是屬於私人財產所以還是要由屋主自己提出來沒有錯現在的狀況就變成是說建築物是私人財產地方政府也沒有這樣的一個預算中央也認為說已經有快篩出來了可是我剛剛為什麼會特別醒覺就是快篩是一個部分嘛有做第一步但是現在這個快篩天王星大樓這確實倒塌那也會影響到周邊的一個安危所以 |
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快篩出來之後有沒有積極去做處理這是重要的啊就如同我們疫情的時候我已經快篩那個人那快篩那個人如果說你還放任他已經快篩了結果你還讓他四處趴趴照不戴口罩那當然就會傳染啊所以你應該是快篩完之後你要做積極的處理啊是所以我們其實都有補助這個內政補強 |
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也就是說這個內政部強姦你要來申請還有出享品通通都會在我們經費裡面那這樣子以這個案件來講他是不是就是沒有申請或是說他是不是也要有自己負擔相關費用所以說變成是說他也認為說讀讀看反正我這次沒有事情那我不知道怎麼樣天災什麼時候來不知道但是我現在就要花一筆錢那這一個部分是不是應該我們就要有思考怎麼樣能夠更積極的方式來去做加強跟處理 |
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所以這一點我們現在的做法是說把它列到公安檢查因為你一定樓層以上現在都要進行公安檢查也就把這個列入到它的優先的一個檢查項目來確認它的結構有沒有問題這樣的話自然會加重汙阻它的這個危機感 |
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18937.957 |
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18955.213 |
| transcript.whisperx[669].text |
必須要努力去解決這個問題後續的部分再請給本席相關的資料報告好不好那我只30秒時間了抱歉召委本席今天臨時提案第6案也特別有提到就是說針對消防員跟疫消的部分其實有做這個化學譬如說這個空就是 |
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救火的時候必須要有這個面罩呼吸器的部分那已經有照案通過本期就是說應該要各地的消防跟疫消所需的空氣呼吸器都要補助讓各地的消防跟疫消都補助到位那這一點什麼時候可以做完 |
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今年內應該要把它做完吧分成兩個部分消防的部分都已經到位那逆銷的部分目前是分年度再做一個中程計畫的補助是啊那今年既然今天臨時提案章案通過你是不是應該要今年就要把不足的地方都給補給消防的部分沒問題逆銷的部分逆銷沒辦法為什麼因為年度預算的一個額度那這樣子你今天臨時提案你通過是通過假的是不是 |
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逐年編,這個跟委員報告,這個是一定要逐年編我沒有逐年編喔,我要求的是在今年度補助相關我不知道什麼時候還有火災發生喔既然一消這樣子要使用多少費用一套空護器差不多五萬塊 |
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那本期現在講的是說呼吸的面罩的部分對面罩的部分一套是五萬塊是一套是五萬塊那面罩的部分呢最基礎的一個面罩的部分因為面罩是一定搭配空氣瓶這整組的那如果是光是面罩裡面空氣瓶也是沒辦法使用的 |
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19054.801 |
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是署長是不是?是,署長本席,好,會後沒關係,趙偉,我不再浪費時間,但你會後再到本席辦公室這邊來做討論不是要你們做整個本席要的是說最基本的讓打火弟兄進入到火場的時候不會說是沒有這些面罩然後連呼吸都沒有辦法本席就看到是說有有 |
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19081.544 |
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義消弟兄戴N95口罩沒辦法他自己拿N95口罩然後衝進火場不到兩分鐘他N95全部黑的然後沒有辦法呼吸那義消沒有錯義消的人員全國有46000消防人員全國18000以呼吸器或是面罩來講其實他的預算都是杯水車薪都是非常的少如果說真的要編的話其實早就應該要補齊了這一點部分絕對不應該說還要竹年編這種這種 |
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19088.229 |
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19102.297 |
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話術來搪塞!」我跟您報告一下第一個是對於我們的警消來講它一定是整套的裝備包括它的所有的消防衣帽包括它的無線電包括它的呼吸器等等 |
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他一定是一整套的否則他是不能也沒有能力進到救災的這個火場或者是現場他現在的狀況是連幫忙旁邊拉水管幫忙旁邊拉水線都會因為那個濃煙出來而造成說他不要說進入火場 |
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他連拉水線都沒有辦法他連拉水線都呼吸都呼吸不過來所以說我們才會提到是說為什麼會讓我們義消弟兄連幫忙拉水線都還要自己去購買那個呼吸面罩然後不然的話戴N95口罩就給N95口罩兩分鐘他全部就黑了沒有辦法呼吸這個是實際的救災的狀況這也是本席看到本席遇到 |
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馬上消防弟兄、疫消弟兄跟本集反映所以說我今天一定要過來讓你知道真實的火災現場狀況是委員這個我們完全了解不過剛剛如你所說因為這個疫消是4倍是我們的警消的4倍所以可能沒有辦法說每一個疫消一個人一套裝備這一點可能是不是容會後再跟委員來報告 |
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給足所有裝備讓大家都能夠做事真的上戰場就應該要有足夠的裝備足夠的彈藥足夠的武器才能夠真真正正的來協助救援非常謝謝洪孟楷委員非常實際的提出地方上的這些移消人員的需求謝謝 |
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我們也請署長跟部長回去估算一下大概需要幾年補期好不好如果在近幾年內沒辦法整個補期的話你也應該要有一些說明哪一些人進到災場的時候他必須要配備好嗎可以嗎好謝謝謝謝洪文凱委員謝謝繼續我們請李昆城委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席我們請林部長請林部長部長好辛苦了本席先請教一下部長這次這個0403的這個大地震那在花蓮的這個地震這方面這個大概災損有多少你們大概估計出來了嗎各部會再統計有沒有大概一個初步的數字出來 |
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目前因為上禮拜剛開完之後其實這個每一天都在變化那上禮拜開會的結果勒我是不是請工程會請工程會就是說大概到上禮拜我們今天也有邀請到公共工程委員會的技術處的處長就是說這個0403這個大地震之後大概現在的災損是多少 |
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因為各部會還在統計中所以工程會是基於說收容各部會的資料那我大概說明一下比較清楚的明確的部分除了剛剛部長有講到的國家公園的部分然後大概有10億然後現在環境部比較確定的部分大概有 |
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7,500,900,大概有1,000億,那10,000萬...主席可不可以有時間先暫停一下先讓他先把這個數字先釐清出來之後這個沒有人問嗎?這是災損 |
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因為上禮拜五的部分跟各部會收集資料所以目前各部會還在陸陸續續送到行政院災防辦那我們是從災防辦那邊再收容大概會有個數字出來嘛我想了解說這個0403這個大地震之後那大概這個災損的部分那各部會都有夜館啦大概給我們一個一個粗略的數字出來吧 |
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是委員你在講的可能是好幾個階段因為今天其實很多委員也在關心因為從一開始的緊急的搶救災到現在目前這個階段是安置所以我們會就現在安置的這個經費我們大概會做一個估算比如說像我們的內政部在做安置還有包括利息補貼的部分我們大概框了14億我們大概框了14億 |
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| transcript.whisperx[688].end |
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那接下來下一個階段才是復原重建所以委員關心的可能是在復原重建的這一段那當然就是說我是想先了解就是說比如說這是地震大概災損是多少然後呢這個政府大概編列了多少預算來這一個比如說不管是這一個安置或是說這個災後的復興那又是另外一個階段那加上還有這個民間的這個善款也都有嘛所以我想 |
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19394.801 |
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19413.056 |
| transcript.whisperx[689].text |
想瞭解一些說那大概是到目前為止在損失多少可是看起來沒有那個結果的數字因為上個禮拜五副院長開了會我跟您報告我們自己國土署今天跟明天的估出來的經費其實就不一樣而且差蠻多的 |
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19413.776 |
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19438.585 |
| transcript.whisperx[690].text |
這個我就是在一開始我也跟很多委員報告因為這個進到有進到災區去了解去看因為他要必須要現地去做勘察我們的國土署的署長在這邊其實他明天他就要這個率領的我們的相關的同仁進到災區的更不做估算才會比較清楚林志玲賽到現在其實也大概十幾天了那其實 |
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19440.005 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].end |
19456.352 |
| transcript.whisperx[691].text |
當然災害損害每天都會有改變大概不會變化太多所以我才想了解一下說這個災損的情況是怎麼樣那接下來才會談說這一個比如說內政部的部分的話那你們這個災後的復建那你們大概是有多少錢要來投入那要做什麼樣的事情那先簡單報告一下 |
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19458.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].end |
19478.143 |
| transcript.whisperx[692].text |
剛剛講過我們在這個利息補貼還有包括災民的一個住宅的安置的部分我們是匡列14億那這14億要做什麼這14億就是災民的一個安置包括他未來的利息的一個補貼等等那現在比如說現在有些居民還需要組合屋那這個也是從你們這邊預算 |
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19479.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].end |
19501.265 |
| transcript.whisperx[693].text |
我們在提供的是一個多元居住的方案比如說他要去一清我們就有租屋的一個補貼如果他要去租房子或者是我們自己租房子來給他們住那這部分我們會有相關的一個支出那最後最後呢如果剛剛在講的前三種方案民眾都不喜歡 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].start |
19501.966 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].end |
19526.812 |
| transcript.whisperx[694].text |
那最後花蓮縣政府有提出來要蓋組合屋這個我們也都支持不過到目前為止花蓮縣政府還沒有調查出來災民的實際上他的意願到底是什麼就算要蓋組合屋他也必須要提出一個計畫也必須要提出一個數量中央才有辦法來給予協助那現在大概需要用到這一些的災民大概有多少你們有統計出來嗎 |
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19528.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].end |
19554.723 |
| transcript.whisperx[695].text |
你所謂的災民是有住屋的需求有住屋的需求或是有組合屋的需求現在還不知道沒有因為我剛剛有講過花園縣政府還沒有就是說這一部分的災民的意願調查現在還沒有提到那花園縣政府有在做嗎當然有因為每天他都在處理這個事情所以 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].start |
19555.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].end |
19574.87 |
| transcript.whisperx[696].text |
就是問到現在我還是不知道說大概整個這個比如說需要有多少人那需要這個比如說內政部的這一些不管是租屋的補助也好或是說住屋的補助的也好所以我剛剛跟你講說我們是一我們手上有的資料然後我們這個做一個估算 |
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19575.79 |
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19590.843 |
| transcript.whisperx[697].text |
匡列了14億然後我們把計畫送到行政院那院應該是這個禮拜會做這個合訂這個是在我們這個內政部的住宅的這個補貼跟這個災民的住宅的需求的部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].start |
19591.784 |
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19605.318 |
| transcript.whisperx[698].text |
所以就是說那個0403地震那我們這個行政院這個比照過去正在的一個模式那整個整個這個方案的這個預算大概何時會核定出來勒 |
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19607.321 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].end |
19632.914 |
| transcript.whisperx[699].text |
我們的部分,內政部我們自己的住宅的部分那其他各個部會的勒那個就是要我覺得行政院的部分就是大概一個總預算有沒有一個合定的一個時間表出來那就是要各部會要計劃要報過來那時候行政院沒有立立一個時間嗎上個禮拜副院長開會的時候請副主席講 |
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19634.606 |
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19637 |
| transcript.whisperx[700].text |
我們請副主計長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].start |
19641.484 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].end |
19662.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[701].text |
跟我們報告現在就是說基於我們每個禮拜都一直滾動在檢討那因為就是說有一些部分必須實地去勘察所以就是說為了慎重他就是會一直在滾動檢討那我現在一直聽到就是滾動的檢討那這樣子我跟你們報告因為這麼大的災害 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].start |
19666.312 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].end |
19688.093 |
| transcript.whisperx[702].text |
不可能在這麼短的時間裡面就能夠把這些需要的經費能夠把它完整的估算出來所以這個至少需要一個月的時間至少有個時間表出來啦就是說比如說0403然後我們可以說一個月之後大概整個大概需要多少預算投入來重建我覺得大概有個時間表出來比較 |
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19689.054 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].end |
19714.008 |
| transcript.whisperx[703].text |
比較好跟災民講我們台灣在應變不管是搶救災還有包括現在在做後續的安置我們的速度應該都是全世界最快的我想這一點是可以讓國人同胞知道那我再請教一下這個倒塌的這個天王星然後還有這個過去的圍觀都是黃丹的大樓那你們有統計就是說在這個黃丹的這個黃丹對全台灣有79件紅丹有49件那這個 |
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19717.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].end |
19743.542 |
| transcript.whisperx[704].text |
這個有沒有要列入這個都更的一個範圍就是看後續紅單的部分基本上它就是要做強制的一個補強或者說它就要做拆除但後續民眾也是要做醫院調查因為有的民眾他可能會選擇我就是拿了一筆振助金我就離開然後趕快展開重新的生活 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].start |
19744.102 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].end |
19762.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[705].text |
另外一種就是他希望要參與現地的重建那最好的狀況當然就是說全部的災民全部都離開然後這個我們把房地架構之後由政府來進行比如說公辦的都更或者是把它拿來做社會的住宅 |
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19763.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].end |
19774.036 |
| transcript.whisperx[706].text |
或做其他公益的使用。」這個要先進行災民的醫院調查那這個分單就49件可以給本席資料就是說這個目前的處理的情況怎麼樣嗎? |
| transcript.whisperx[707].start |
19775.47 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].end |
19800.292 |
| transcript.whisperx[707].text |
這部分是地方政府一案一案在做這個調查那你們這邊手邊有沒有資料?沒有,這個還需要時間因為災...我跟大家報告因為災難現在災害才剛發生很亂你現在問他說你要留下來還是你要離開?不是不是不是,我不是指這個花蓮這個我是說全台灣的49件的這一個紅單的這些大部分都在花蓮都在花蓮?對,大部分都在花蓮那黃單呢?那黃單79件咧? |
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19801.713 |
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19810.97 |
| transcript.whisperx[708].text |
也大部分在花蓮都在花蓮大部分在花蓮有一部分在新北在土城對阿我是說除了花蓮之外的 |
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19812.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].end |
19833.641 |
| transcript.whisperx[709].text |
新北跟桃園那至少給我們一下就是說如果說花蓮現在的情況比較混亂那至少給我們一下就是說在黃丹的部分還有紅丹的部分的話在這一個花蓮以外的其他的縣市現在處理的進度是怎麼樣其實也是一樣的它必須要縣市政府去跟災民每一戶每一戶每一戶 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].start |
19834.421 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].end |
19834.941 |
| transcript.whisperx[710].text |
去了解。」 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].start |
19865.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].end |
19878.072 |
| transcript.whisperx[711].text |
相關新聞有看到因為這個東西也會不管是因為就經過那邊的這個居民也會有心理上面也會受到影響那我不知道說這個訊息到底是為真還是為假 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].start |
19884.795 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].end |
19906.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[712].text |
這個斷層的資料當然是經濟部的資料地礦中心的一個資料不過其實應該是要這樣的一個訊息其實目的是要去強化或者是提醒民眾對於自己所在居住的這個地方的一個有這樣子的一個課題所以也提醒他們去注意這一部分的安全 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].start |
19906.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].end |
19926.988 |
| transcript.whisperx[713].text |
坤城委員,非常謝謝部長、行政部長還有副主計長的說明也跟坤城委員提一下我臨時提案第8案有請我們的內政部在一周內要單一的窗口來服務我們的災民然後還有第二個是臨時提案11案因為這個地震頻傳還餘震蠻多的 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].start |
19929.289 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].end |
19948.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[714].text |
那他們本來是在5月6號前要完整復建的經費需求報行政院但今天臨時提案有通過就是因為我們地方上其實還沒有辦法完整是希望他們再延後時間所以您可能要的具體的資料還有數據可能還沒那麼快 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].start |
19949.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].end |
19963.208 |
| transcript.whisperx[715].text |
好謝謝您我們也在盯這個進度謝謝您的關心謝謝繼續我們請邱若驊委員邱若驊委員邱若驊委員不在賴世寶賴世寶賴世寶委員不在我們請陳寅委員質詢好謝謝張偉我們先請這個經濟部商業發展署 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].start |
19976.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].end |
19997.273 |
| transcript.whisperx[716].text |
好經濟部創業發展署今天有來嗎有在後面我們給他一點時間走過來好謝謝我們請署長連署長祖密嗎上面寫署長OK好祖密郭祖密好謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].start |
19999.566 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].end |
20021.821 |
| transcript.whisperx[717].text |
你好那個我想請教一下在0403地震之後呢有很多的這個民宅的這個金屬水塔有毀損的狀況嗎那我們看一下看一下這張圖這是花蓮的一家回收場的照片那這間回收場呢光是這幾天就已經收到將近200個破損的水塔 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].start |
20023.982 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].end |
20046.341 |
| transcript.whisperx[718].text |
那我也接到陳情現在在花蓮根本就是買不到這個家用的水塔那我想要請教一下你們有掌握這樣的情形嗎這個部分的話我們再來瞭解一下就是所以你就是沒有掌握是這個我們來看一下這個發生地點在什麼地方來就定來去了解這個目前水塔這個需求的情形 |
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20048.174 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].end |
20070.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[719].text |
你們現在才要去了解是有點太慢因為就我們過去以之前不久前的918這個地震來說水塔損壞就是一個很嚴重的問題所以在這一次地震一發生的時候我們辦公室的我們整個的團隊第一件事情就想到有沒有水塔這件事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].start |
20071.833 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].end |
20084.605 |
| transcript.whisperx[720].text |
所以可見你們都沒有記取之前的教訓因為現在公路交通還沒有完全的恢復所以在民生用品的補給上我希望你們要特別的注意就像現在 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].start |
20086.887 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].end |
20108.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[721].text |
我現在講的這個家用的水塔我不希望因為缺貨的關係有人哄抬價格或者想要在這個時候發國難財所以我要請你們馬上瞭解一下花蓮這個家用水塔的供應與價格的情形然後跟我說明是瞭解那我們即刻來瞭解然後跟委員辦公室這邊做一個回報 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].start |
20109.025 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].end |
20117.537 |
| transcript.whisperx[722].text |
好那另外一件事呢我也希望因為你們其他同仁沒來我希望你可以把我接下來這個問題帶回去如實轉達那也請他們在一週內書面答覆我 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].start |
20124.307 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].end |
20139.45 |
| transcript.whisperx[723].text |
那因為簡易自來水的水質很容易受天候的影響那而且這個水質恢復的速度它是比較慢的那我剛剛有舉例兩年前的這個918的地震之後呢我有在大院裡的總質詢那邊有要求希望簡易自來水 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].start |
20141.332 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].end |
20169.067 |
| transcript.whisperx[724].text |
使用這個簡易自來水的部落或村裡可以購置大型公用儲水桶由部落或村裡來維護。」那你們研議的結果呢經濟部告訴我是說竟然我是之前兩年前就質詢就是說竟然是要在明年才有經費可以處理我想這種狀況我是完全沒有辦法接受因為要跟你們講一下你知道一個水塔多少錢嗎 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].start |
20170.961 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].end |
20191.069 |
| transcript.whisperx[725].text |
想必你也是沒有概念我希望今天回去我質詢完之後你要全部弄清楚而且要知道不管是災害地震或者是風災最重要的就是說在整個這個我們自來水系統還沒有完全建置完成的時候呢水塔就是一個最重要的事情 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].start |
20191.909 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].end |
20207.198 |
| transcript.whisperx[726].text |
因為假設買一個10噸大的水塔一個也才5萬塊左右那花崗減益這台水差不多總共大概100多處全部買下來也差不多500萬的經費我不相信500萬經濟部會出不起還要東湊西湊湊到明年才會有這個錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].start |
20208.659 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].end |
20235.237 |
| transcript.whisperx[727].text |
這個就是災害發生很緊急要使用的所以應該有很多其他的這個支應的這個預算可以編列不是說還要等你們在那邊不曉得怎麼湊的還要湊到明年喔所以我希望現在可以馬上行動而且要在訊息來之前完成那希望你們在這個下禮拜的時候可以之前可以書面答覆我好不好這個我們待會去 |
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20236.117 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].end |
20237.678 |
| transcript.whisperx[728].text |
財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部財政部 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].start |
20260.565 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].end |
20286.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[729].text |
在這一次的這個0403的地震當中重創花蓮那我們還有這個連帶台東也是有受到很大的影響特別是觀光的部分那我知道整個災後復原的這個工作還在持續當中所以怎麼振興花蓮、台東的觀光我希望你們要提早做準備之外呢就是我知道現在呢有推出幾項紓困的方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].start |
20287.456 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].end |
20309.165 |
| transcript.whisperx[730].text |
但是有一個紓困的補助我希望可以馬上來盤點研議就是在涉及花蓮臺東的遊覽車業者可以減免他們的燃料稅以及牌照稅因為在地震之後呢遊覽車業者根本就沒有生意所以希望可以立即提供這個遊覽車業者可以就是有最實質的幫助這樣子報告委員我們是不是請公路局林副局長來回答 |
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20318.827 |
| transcript.whisperx[731].end |
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報告委員那因為目前花蓮的災害的部分大車我們就整個蘇花路廊我們還有一個就是台九的158K的下經水橋那邊還沒有辦法通大車所以大概只有7公里我們在5月底會完成通車那我們燃料稅的部分是我們交通部主管的那燃料稅因為它是局部的部分而且時間可能就是到5月底就整個 |
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所有的道路全部會通上所以這個部門從921不管是莫拉克921我們都沒有做過減免但是它如果是遊覽車損壞的部門是可以減免的以前沒有減免不代表以後不能減免啊我就看你們回去盤點研議嘛我請你研議你連研議一下你都不願意你就跟我講以前就沒有減免你的腦袋裡面是固定都不會賺的嗎 |
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跟委員報告那這個部分我們帶回去我們請部裡面再做研議對啊麻煩你們那那個財政部的部分呢復稅署報告這個觀光業的這個減輕負擔部分過去有經驗都是用補助的方式來補助業者的牌照稅減輕業者的負擔好謝謝那一些財政部人家都乾脆多了那你就回去研議那什麼時候可以給本席回覆 |
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你們研議的狀況跟委員報告那我們一個月內跟委員做報告兩個禮拜好不好好好謝謝謝謝好請回座那接下來請原民會請原民會的劉處長 |
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4月3日公布的災害救助事項第一項災害救助的部分死亡的認定應該就很清楚沒有什麼問題其他重傷者最高補助三萬還有每人傷亡、生活、困境家戶每戶最高補助一萬 |
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這個怎麼認定?然後曾銘打電話去竟然你們是回覆民眾說配套措施的認定方法還沒有出來這到底是怎麼一回事?請問處長不知道報告委員那個我剛剛有確認過有關這個1萬元部分的話只要公所認定有需求他就報告我們會裡面所以那前面你們說不知道是怎樣我不曉得哪位同仁回覆的我不清楚所以你不知道那位同仁為什麼不知道 |
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好那你回去了解一下齁那因為放上去電話號碼就是你等於就是你要有人接聽嘛那有人接聽的那民眾反應也有打電話也有那種打去沒人接的那我剛剛辦公室在上班時間的時候我們剛剛又測試齁也是一樣沒人接啦法委如果有這種情況我們回去會檢討改進你要不要現在打打看 |
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20519.909 |
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我看不用了會漏氣啦好是好那我想就時間內點出所有的這些本席關心的問題那希望就是說都可以來回覆有嗎好那我最後請教那個很快的快速的重要那個部長那個邱昌部長因為這個林林部長謝謝 |
| transcript.whisperx[739].start |
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20544.505 |
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因為在許多家園被貼到紅黃單我們都很清楚紅單就是要拆因為今天我要來之前我赫然發現一個新聞就是說有一戶大樓被貼了紅單但是他們是說50%的住戶如果連署通過了同意不拆他就可以不用拆 |
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有這樣的事情嗎?聽起來好可怕呀!因為他紅單的話就是要看他當時既是鑑定的這個狀態他是屬於可以修善或是可以補強或是一定要拆除重建所以是依據這個結果當然如果說今天是可以修善或耐震補強但是住戶如果還是決定要重建那當然我們還是尊重他但是不代表說一定要重建 |
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不是沒有是不會說如果如果那個狀況真的很不好是需要拆除的是然後50%的住戶通過之後他們可以不要拆就補強就好有這種事情嗎並沒有其實要看最後專家評估的結果是怎麼樣 |
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好 那我想就做這個釐清齁因為有這個訊息容易讓人家產生誤會委員那個你剛剛關心是應該要從住民跟住宅的安全做最優先的一個考量那這個要專家來做這個建議好 安全可能不是投票可以表決的齁好 謝謝 |
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好,非常謝謝陳議委員的質詢,謝謝部長回應不過劉署長,剛剛要回應你一下,原民會如果那個窗口每次要接電話你們跟地方政府沒有一個單一窗口,實在是你們沒有那麼樣的人力啦這是我們很理解的部分,所以為什麼剛剛本席一直要求你們一定要跟地方政府的哪一個,或者是原民局處來聯繫,讓原民局處作為第一線第二個部分可能陳議委員要問的是,生活困境是你們怎麼認定 |
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所以公所只要報人上你們就付每一個一萬塊所以也是剛剛本席在詢問你們請你們寫清楚所以原民會你們要掌握一下原住民族的族人在災區裡面 |
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既然你們有這個所謂的災民的這個補助你們就不應該引起更多的困擾嗎好不好這個部分要提醒你們好謝謝好繼續我們請羅志強羅志強羅志強委員不在請吳立華委員質詢謝謝主席先有請內政部跟原民會有請林部長跟劉處長謝謝 |
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部長好、處長好向各部會致敬大家都辛苦了那我先提一下我覺得這一次的整個救災狀況我個人的部分接受到很多災民的陳情 |
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感覺上進度還不錯以那個道路災損來講我可以看到先進行灌漿預防掏空或者是像秀林鄉的和平部落他們前有清水斷崖後有崩山在進退無懼之下呢專民希望說他們的和平站台鐵可以加開往北往南的班次那隔天也都有做到那甚至是像梨山 |
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松鶴那個地方其實他們受災也很嚴重他們的農管系統也都受損他們告訴我說農水署長有親自打電話敲他們不用擔心他們都覺得很感動所以我想這個部分其實大家都很用心但是我覺得還是很多地方希望各部會能夠加強 |
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像東華大學的災況大家都看到了非常的嚴重影響到師生不知道要多久那另外一方面私立的像玉山神學院我們知道之後我們也替他們感到很擔憂他們也不知道該怎麼辦所以在一直反應之下謝謝原民會終於行政院同意讓震災基金會也能夠納入 |
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把這些玉山省學院系統或是一些教會系統我們看一下這個圖片這個是校園的災況其實這個在921或者是88風災像這種校舍狀況其實都要異地重建了啦 |
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但是我想這個部分既然願意納入重建跟修繕那在這邊我們也特別的表達感謝只是希望再有一個提醒因為像這個建築專家他們對我講像這種狀況其實它是因為地質滑動了 |
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所以希望他們比較擔憂的是邊坡擋土牆還有這些水保工程恐怕是重點所以在這邊就是特別希望原民會這個部分可能還是要去做好調查這些數量還有所需要的經費那國土署這邊也希望能夠協助判定災損的情形提出一些重建工程的評估 |
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教育部也要針對所有學校這段時間的住宿、課程學習的需求希望都一同來幫忙在這邊請教一下部長我們有看到之前的報載說截至4月10日為止 |
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這個請求評估的這些建築物高達1358件而且是民眾的請求持續中那不曉得到今天您知道大概有多少件了嗎我們這邊的數字4月9號 |
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剛剛在有報告的時候有提到是通報部分跟這個有點差距不過通報部分大概是1247那總之就1000多件嗎對那它有幾個部分第一個是貼黃單的是51最新的貼黃單是92 |
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那不須張貼危險標誌的也有一千多部長我關心的是截至目前為止很多很多的部落災民還在每天都在打電話傳照片給我為什麼因為他們還沒有等到有人來做會刊 |
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他們看到你看這個照片會緊張啊因為有的是窗戶就沒有辦法打開門沒有辦法打開那住在這樣的一個房子底下最近餘震又不斷然後地層越來越下陷啊他們又一直說都沒有等到很焦慮啦 |
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所以我想這個部分還是要去關心協助一下那也許我們也會排會刊因為可能很多不是你們可以知道的部分那像國土署這邊也有提供修繕的部分什麼緊急修繕原民會呢也過去都會提出也有一個什麼重建補助修繕補助可是我們知道的就是說這個是另外加的嗎還是在原來的年度本預算內因為 |
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過去的慣例就是我們看到這種貸款資格他還要送金融單位審查而且連一般性貸款他都貸不到那你要怎麼確保他能夠取得那另外就是說都是供不應求那現在這麼大量的這個震後的民房的修繕需求有沒有去評估過 |
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20995.737 |
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有助濟災民嗎?然後會幫他們提供信用保證嗎?讓他們順利取得貸款嗎?」我想這個部分我也想了解一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[761].text |
我要跟你報告花蓮的部分已經被宣告為是災區花蓮縣整個花蓮縣所以當然所有在花蓮縣裡面受災受損的這些包括你剛剛在講災民的輔助確保都可以對其實都是在這個災區所有範圍裡面 |
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那至於這些細節的部分我請這個署長來做說明沒關係因為時間的關係我想說給我一個報告因為我還有很多問題想要提我是希望這樣子以我們部落來講我比較期待的是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[763].text |
像剛才我提供的那些民宅的部分我也不知道會排到多久他要怎麼申請但是至少我希望說內政部、原民會跟地方縣市政府合作有沒有可能擬定一個開口契約然後提供這一些自用住宅已經出現這些裂縫的這些民眾能夠去幫他們處理一下 |
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我自己過去的經驗是認為這樣子比較快啦 比較好啦像你看一下這個照片這是村長PO的那個民眾也一直跟我講你看這個整排喔整排邊坡喔都已經損及到他們的農田喔危及到民宅喔他們非常的緊張他們很多人都說完了空有手有權狀沒有土地了啦那像這種的我們也不知道到底地方 |
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為什麼我會來問他就是說沒有人來看沒有來看我說真的嗎那如果不可能是這樣應該是有去看那怎麼到地方去做說明會因為我覺得天災之後讓人民安心是最基本的一個提供所以這個部分我也是希望那再來我要問原民會 |
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委員我十秒鐘跟你回應一下剛剛那一張圖看起來這個應該是這個鄉鎮市公所他要去報案他要把案子提出來然後這個看起來這個應該要去現地做會刊第三呢因為看後面比較後面這個他的比較接近民宅的部分那個要去立即要去檢視有沒有立即性的安全的問題 |
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那我會去做確認就是要問一下原民會他們也一直在問因為這次的崩塌很多啦剛好又要開始申請禁法補償那過去幾年我很關心就是要落實禁法的精神不要亂扣亂扣亂扣謝謝今年1月8號公告修正的已經沒有東扣西扣了也就是說 |
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反正只要沒有這些定著的固定物的或者是道路鋪設水泥的基本上看起來是都不會去扣除面積對嗎 |
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按照新的規定的話的確是我只是要確認因為你沒有寫到崩塌地阿我只是說他是負面表列嗎好我現在要講的是說跟我們金巴處去反映請他注意這件事情好那崩塌地我在這邊強調一下不要納入覆蓋率喔你不要扣債分母喔你要給他扣債分母好不好不要扣債分子要不然這個就是騙人了好不好好的 |
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好 謝謝那再給我一個問題那再來就是說太管處這一次受災太嚴重了那因為發布說整個豐原沒有期限所以像三月村這種裡面的都就自動宣布歇業嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[771].end |
21241.16 |
| transcript.whisperx[771].text |
那現在我們要問的就是說不只啦,精英飯店可能也要歇業啦市區的什麼漢平酒店、立翔酒店也都會歇業我要講的是說他們的協會理事長說如果政府不幫忙他們一定要裁員因為企業也撐不住所以很多人跟我說像三月春要支遣40幾個他們說有的小孩子才剛出生一個月怎麼辦 |
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21242.681 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].end |
21262.822 |
| transcript.whisperx[772].text |
我看到勞動部有天災的零工措施提供最低基本工資原民會也提出了臨時工作計畫最低工資勞動部是說提供2000名就業機會原民會我不知道幾位沒說我現在要講的是說兩個是分流還是併用會做多久 |
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那我們是不是不應該有設限因為這些災民需要工作的因為我們最擔心的每一個原住民一去勞動部那邊都會被踢啊哎呀你們園民會有你們去園民會我們常常碰到這種情形啊 |
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不會這樣吧我就是在這邊提醒啦然後雖然未來要談振興啦因為觀光署出來了我們幫忙一下啦就是這些你們提供的這些貸款我都看都是寫誰呢花蓮花蓮花蓮欸不是只有花蓮欸台東也在挖挖匠欸因為我們講花東花東花東 |
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不到花蓮就不會到台東不到台東就不會到花蓮所以我想這個部分去考量一下重新檢討一下我們是期待像2018年的時候不是有普悠瑪出軌事件嗎還有那個0206地震嗎那時候你們有出一個國旅的專案大家很高興提供他住宿提供他交通而且 |
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擴大到北部宜蘭南部高雄屏東我是希望說現在要暑假了4月中了幫助花蓮的一種方式希望能夠去研議一下擴大縣市別擴大補助的業者的類型還有補助這些交通費我想這個部分很重要那最後就是那個消防這一次的那個新秀消防隊他只有打火用具他們說沒有山域的沒有水域的這些工具 |
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都不知道要怎麼救災消防署可能也要重新檢討一下好不好因為每一次新的災害類型我們就會有新的需求那希望可以為我們的這些義消兄弟一起來幫忙好 以上問題很多謝謝主席不過我們還是要請這個太魯閣國際公園跟園民會跟勞委會你們整合一下資料我剛剛本席召委有提過就是最先 |
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已經沒有工作的這些人應該是你們零工最先要協助幫忙的部分不能夠縣市政府怎麼提報你們就怎麼做所以你們一個橫向聯繫非常重要好不好好也跟吳令華委員說明一下就是我們希望經濟部、交通部還有文化部跟園民會單位能夠參著這個新冠疫情的復甦的這個方案請他們願意提出一個說明好不好謝謝 |
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主席 各位同仁 是不是請林部長好 有請林部長委員好 |
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部長謝謝辛苦今天從早上持續到現在我們事發委員會到現在還在持續奮戰當中在中間抽空下來到內政委員會對這次0403的大地震要再次感謝第一時間林永昌部長就趕到我們的災難的現場也對整個蘇花公路整體的攤方也看得非常的清楚 |
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我們這次搭這個小海小海豚真的是很小很小的直升機但是過程當中經過蘇花公路真的是滾滾的黃塵表示從早上地震之後到了中午還在這個塵土還在飛揚表示這個災情非常的嚴重這個我想 |
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發生地震到現在已經12天了這個部長是不是我們也了解現在光是一個東華大學的重新的這樣的一個修建整理完成大概要多少經費您知道嗎東華大學我印象應該是要超過5億以上20因為它整個重建了教育部的代理事上有來多少錢 |
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根委員報告目前學校初估是19.2億那個基本上現在就像太魯閣國家公園叫他們提報提報了5億這文章副院長看到這個5億就告訴他這沒有幾十億怎麼會做得起來這提報的數字都差距太遠 |
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所以這個東華大學現在基本出估叫22億我覺得在災難發生的時候我們要盡可能要把整個準備重建的經費必須要把它完善所以太魯閣國家公園提報5億我跟鄭文燦副院長在討論這個事情他說這個沒有幾十億怎麼做得起來 |
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太魯閣如果要開源的話沒有整體的民粹道全部做起來的話大概那條路也沒有辦法再走了整個民粹道全部要做起來因為這次災難過程當中我們看到不管台八線、台九線只要有民粹道的地方都是安全的 |
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我要特別感謝部長就是部長擔任過縣市長所以對救災有相當的長足的經驗那個時候對整個太魯閣山區第一時間就判斷那裡收困的人數非常的多也可能罹難人數最多所以當天我都看到林部長在掌握那邊整體的一個狀況那部長 |
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希望這個重建的工作不會因為你要去調整職務到民進黨中央黨部擔任秘書長而放掉了你曾經在內政部部長任內也曾經親身參與0403的大地震你看到現場的慘狀這個部分可能確實有必要要怎麼樣的重建 |
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我們要一樣的同理心來把它完成好不好是當然也跟委員報告這個中央災害應變中心我負責的部分搶救災那後續的部分重建的部分現在行政院院長也有特別指示總統也特別關心東部會成立一個專案的辦公室那會由公共工程委員會來進行相關的一個統籌 |
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現在大概無家可歸的紅單戶跟黃單戶大概已經將近1700戶有幾千人現在無家可歸紅單的重建或是整建重建大概要三年因為都是大樓大樓居多從12樓到16樓都有這個大概沒有三年是回不了家 |
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那如果是整建的話大樓也起碼要一年所以在這個過程當中本席也再三表達這個組合屋一定有所需要因為災民並不了解他移清也好住旅館民宿也好沒有辦法去撐到兩年三年一個家庭總是要住在一起所以這個部分也可能請我們內政部多宣導一下那另外就是 |
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在整個未來的重建的時候希望部長因為你親身在那裡看到整個狀況可能要給整個重建的過程要提出相當多的一個良善的建議、完整的做法就是未來不管是台九線、台八線可能沒有走明隧道或是拉新的路廊我們這次看到蘇花改不管是隧道還是高架橋的部分完全安好 |
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而如果當天不是4月3號早上7點58分如果是4月4號早上的話如果是一個4天5天的連假整個蘇哈公路上面滿滿擁擠堵塞的車輛跟台八線上面滿滿滿滿的遊客這下來的落實不信罹難的人數就不是今天的17人 |
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可能是幾百人所以啊人命關天我們的政府啊縫縫補補把不能走的路修修搶通以後又拿人命持續的在開玩笑那天在蘇花公路上攤方下來如果是密密麻麻的車子我們在小海豚直升機上看到很多的路段是完全蓋掉了連路跡都沒有 |
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所以我們現在必須要有新的思維這個不是給花蓮人安全的路花蓮人只有32萬人一年進入花蓮的人次有1200到1400萬人次幾乎都是全國跟來自世界的好朋友所以本期在這裡希望部長因為擔任過父母官同樣的心情 |
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東部花東人民他們不應該在這樣的一個生活中來代代的而生在那裡繁衍發展這是非常不公平的所以最新的路廊最新的道路該做的要做那本席也在今天中午正式有黨團提出了這個0403 |
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大地震的災後重建條例也正式提出來初步匡列大概150億給東華大學給所有的公共設施還有民間不管是政府機關或是民宅在拆除的部分、整建的部分、重建的部分都把它納入還有災民的安置等等也希望部長也能夠發言來支持畢竟我們是同島一命 |
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我們的國家都在這塊土地上生長不應該過不同的國度不同的生活我想交通平權生命無價我想是今天我們高津召委來排這個會議程序要讓大家能夠瞭解我們一個簡短的片段讓大家來看看如果今天你的家人、你的兒女在這樣的路廊上來走 |
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你要怎麼為他們來憂心他們是不是能夠安全回家來看一下大家可以相信這是我們的道路嗎 |
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有進入民隧道才能保密我想在網路上影片非常的多本期不在這裡一一的讓大家來觀看但是呢網路上通通都有大家的兒女 |
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天天出門要走這樣的路將心比心我想重建條例勢在必行也請內政部能夠大力的來支持好不好讓政府的重建的預算能夠得到確保用法律位階的確保好不好 謝謝好 非常謝謝副官區委員謝謝委員我想有關於重建我們內政部的一個預算一定是全力來支持好 謝謝 |
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羅明財、羅明財委員不在陳培宇委員質詢 |
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市長、代理市長午安我想要跟您確定一下第一個是東華大學部分因為我自己是東華的校友研究所畢業所以我想目前非常多學弟妹還有學校老師包含校長也都在跟我積極溝通關於東華那不管是學校重建的經費我想已經很多委員問過了我就不再重提但是我目前看到另外一個困境就是很多學生他們選擇沒有離開學校繼續留在學校上課 |
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目前學校上課的方法是線上跟實體並行可是我們看到另外一個困境就是目前的宿舍其實像這個照片上像這樣破破爛爛的宿舍其實非常非常多但是 |
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有的學生還是住在裡頭他們可能就是建簡單自己整理打掃因為基本上以學校所在地受風箱旁邊其實並沒有那麼多民宅可供出租而且第一時間學校經歷過滅活事情還有其他很多事情其實也來不及幫學生整理這些宿舍的問題不知道目前教育部對於學生住宿的情況掌握程度跟後續有可能提供的協助可不可以說一說讓我們的 |
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家長們安心,包含我自己辦公室的助理他的妹妹就在念東華大學,那我想很多家長也會非常擔心。」目前東華大學大概5000床的宿舍裡面那將近2000床的宿舍大概有不同程度的一個受損情形那也散落在不同的系所所以學校目前的做法尤其像短期來講在4月10號到4月26號他們先用彈性 |
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受扣的方式以可以有線上搭配一部分實體目前我們有請學校積極跟學生溝通如果說可以的話可能在426到這個學期結束學校大概都會用一些線上的方式有點比照像我們先前防疫的時候以線上 |
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的方式來進行因為這樣子的話才有可能空出一些宿舍來做處理因為學校的狀況我們在4月10號有去看過目前這些有一些廁所因為它整個那個管線錯位跟天花板的問題大概不容易在這一兩個月馬上修復所以必須要空出一些宿舍 |
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所以在透過一些彈性修業的方式讓學生做一些調度第二個部裡面我們現在也請學校先優先先去盤出來說哪一些部分要先整修趕快報經費到部裡面來部裡面我們就會來指引那長期來講因為部裡面有在推新宿舍運動我們也會來協助學校趁這個時間點我們就來做一個宿舍的維修 |
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這樣聽起來就是目前災後有自己在協助然後同時還建議了新宿舍運動的可能性但是如同您剛剛說的您甚至還建議教育部從4月26號到期末是不是都乾脆採取彈性也就是實體跟線上並行的上課方法那我偷偷跟司長講一個好玩的事情喔很多學生他們就還是在宿舍裡面可是他就採取線上上課他想說反正你學校也就不點名有這個彈性那我們其實更擔心的是我們站在教育的立場怎麼說呢 |
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我們希望大家這個時候是共同展現我們對花蓮的支持跟韌性包含這次有很多的商家他們也告訴大家不用可憐我們你們要捐款你們有其他的選擇但是請支持我們的產業支持我們的農產品支持我們原本給大家提供的服務我相信東華大學師生應該有這樣的認知可是這個宿舍的部分我剛剛聽到看起來你們是積極建議學校到期末都採取這個方法 |
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那如果這個方向學校也可以接受大學生或是學校老師也都可以接受是不是就請教育部再更積極的去盤點我們剛剛說的把安全的地方競速盤點提供出來讓想要留在學校裡面的學生他們有安全的地方可以住然後到學期末離開學校之前這個部分至少是安全的好不好 |
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跟委員報告因為4月26號是不是停課到學期末這其實學校評估啦但是因為下長有跟我提過這個部分我有第一個要求就是說先跟學校跟學生要充分的溝通第二個就像委員提到的先控出大概另外在3000多床沒有受損的 |
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傳位來做調査可是另外一個問題其實學測後考完五月中就開始各個學校要做面試那我們聽到我自己有點擔心其實也有學校老師在談到說會不會因為這次地震其實很多人可能就不敢去報名東華大學可能學測這一趴的面試大家都選擇放棄但是就少子化的招生東華大學可能就已經是相對困難不知道這個部分事實上你有沒有跟學校討論過或是學校有沒有反映給教育部 |
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跟委員報告其實在地震的第二天我就跟學長通過其實電話那我有詢問到這一塊因為那一天那時候整個交通可能是中斷的我們有提到說5月初如果要進行面試的話學生進不來怎麼辦所以目前道化大學已經跟我們大學招生委員會聯合會就招聯會這邊提議說他們今年的整個申請入學有關於面試的部分可能會比照防疫期間有些學校是停課的他們會把 |
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會停辦面試而改以書審跟學測成績來做處理這樣學生在交通上也就可以不用到學校來面試那這部分招聯會原則上已經同意他現在已經報告你到部裡面來那我們會積極來處理好那這個部分我相信報名之前就要公佈 |
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我相信我們尊重學校的判斷因為學校確實可能也很難第一時間照顧到這麼多外地來的準大學生所以如果學校確實有這個方向就請教育部全力支持因為像我自己的小孩他也已經收到不同學校的學測面試的通知單那假設第二輪他們必須要做一些調整是不是不管是後續通知的程序或是網站公告或是書面的部分也要拜託教育部積極協助東華大學好來下一個謝謝謝謝司長謝謝那下一個要請教衛福部 |
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其實在花蓮有非常多的兒少安置機構我現在照片上秀出來的秀林鄉凱歌園少年中途之家只是其中一個我相信衛福部一定非常清楚花蓮還有多少個兒少中途安置機構凱歌園是受損最嚴重幾乎是毀了他們的孩子已經住到別的地方去了他們現在甚至在更裝 |
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東華大學的美倫校區在談新的作用的可能性但是我想要問目前衛福部有沒有積極掌握花蓮在地目前安置機構的這些學生或者是相關孩子們的狀態 |
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跟委員報告因為這個業務是由我們其他社家屬的這個單位來做這個主管所以我可能還需要一點時間來了解他們掌握的情形但是我想對於這個弱勢的民眾的這個安置也是政府很重要的一個工作我們一定會盡力來協助 |
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好 因為像以凱歌園為例他們的很多孩子是已經沒有家給回去的所以他們就必須住在安置機構裡頭所以如果是社家屬負責掌握這個資訊我們辦公室會再跟社家屬積極的討論 好嗎希望後續可以快速協助這些安置機構的兒少好 謝謝好 那下一個部分 謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[821].text |
這四項救助項目有安遷鎮住、要涉及並實際居住 |
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花蓮縣政府的說法跟衛福部的說法看起來有很大的出入到底這個是不是需要涉及的已經讓當地的縣民搞不清楚狀況然後紛紛的找當地的議員或者是代表求救所以我想要請問一下衛福部在你們的震災基金會的要點裡面你們的本來的辦法裡面是沒有相關的戶籍限制 |
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可是現在難道你們是授權給花蓮縣政府說你必須要涉及嗎還是你是涉及你沒有居住或是你有居住你沒有涉及這個相關的租金或者是相關的房屋補貼我覺得目前我們聽到的很多狀況是非常的混亂一直到今天要上質詢台之前我們跟花蓮的朋友們確定都還是一團混亂所以這邊我想不是質詢是拜託衛福部趕快跟花蓮縣政府確定一下到底目前是什麼方向跟狀態可以嗎 |
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跟委員報告這個協助包括縣府的部分還有我們震災基金會那正好基金會今天的陳都達他有在會場是由他來跟您做一個說明好沒關係我時間到我再跟你們辦公室要私要但是我最後確認一件事情因為這裡面的震住要點裡面有租屋震住無異兒少老年跟生長者也就是很多我們關懷的弱勢族群他們很需要你們積極的協助他們可能甚至連要打電話給代表打電話給議員都不知道他們可能只能知道找里長所以拜託 |
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那後續的資料我們也會再積極跟你們討論,好嗎?好,謝謝,謝謝主席,謝謝好,謝謝陳培宇委員的質詢也謝謝司長,也謝謝政災委員會的督導回去之後可能跟地方政府了解一下,好嗎?好,謝謝繼續我們請莊瑞雄,莊瑞雄,莊瑞雄委員不在蘇清泉,蘇清泉,蘇清泉委員不在 |
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黃珊珊、黃珊珊、黃珊珊委員不在林益鈞、林益鈞、林益鈞委員不在吳佩奕、吳佩奕、吳佩奕委員不在李昆澤、李昆澤、李昆澤委員不在鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌、鍾嘉斌委員不在登記發言的委員除了不在場之外其餘都已經發言完畢我們今天詢答結束委員林益鈞 |
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吳佩奕、羅志強、邱若驊、莊瑞雄、許宇珍所提的書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報書面質詢還有未及答覆的部分請相關單位在一週以內以書面答覆並複製本會 |
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再次謝謝也辛苦了內政部長帶領了我們所有的同仁的救災繼續我們請公共工程委員會加緊努力重建的部分以及在產業復甦的部分也請相關單位再積極一點我們苦民所苦以我們的災區的民眾為出發點好嗎謝謝大家本日議程處理完畢我們現在散會謝謝 |