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| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
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15:24:22 - 15:45:11 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名張文貞、姚立明、何賴傑、陳運財、王碧芳、廖福特、劉靜怡7位為司法院大法官，並以張文貞為院長、姚立明為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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姚主委午安因為您最近的一個工作是賴清德總統競總的主委所以我稱呼您主委可以吧沒有問題吧那個早就過去的事情 |
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這是你最近的一個工作依照司法院組織法要提名為大法官必須符合特定的資格那這次賴總統提出了7位大法官當中有3位是法學研究員、兩位教授、一位法官而您很特別的是以副政治經驗者這個款別被提名 |
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在總統府送來的手冊當中．你的簡介是寫．對憲政體制、政黨體制及國會運作．有豐富的論述．曾參與憲政改革．首忍政府體制．為跨越不同黨派的政治意見領袖 |
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不同意 |
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您曾經是先黨的立委﹖後來創立了紅黨﹖也就是台灣國民會議 |
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並競選不分區立委．2012年擔任小英基金會董事．接著擔任柯文哲2014臺北市長競選總幹事．去年則是擔任賴清德2024總統競選主委根據司法院組織法第5條規定．大法官必須超出黨派 |
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沒有人否認你的政治經歷非常豐富參加過很多的黨派但是是不是能夠超出確實令人質疑我相信你很清楚本人是非常深綠的支持者但是綠不等於民進黨我支持的是臺灣應該是一個主權獨立的國家 |
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可以啊 |
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在你提供給立法院的自傳當中 寫到了你在哪裡出生爸爸媽媽是公務員 有四個兄弟姊妹還有一大串學經歷但我還是發現你漏掉了一個 |
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紅山軍根本不是一個社會運動：他不是什麼職務或title |
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我從來也不是是媒體賦予我一個副總指揮你有看到我你有看到我什麼時候開始跟施明德先生說要一個副總指揮的職務然後跟著在那裡活動沒有是因為我是在人權中間你一直是副總指揮你也從來沒有否認過對我不需要否認嘛因為他是想這樣子讓我在他邊上來提供他一些集會遊行的意見 |
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所以我就被邀請,因為我原來跟他真的不熟識嘛!請聽到我進行的時間,主委,你之前在政論節目上指控柯文哲2014年政治先驚,申報作家,我當時完全沒有參與,我不知道詳情齁但是我也發現齁,你似乎很容易跟帳目不清扯上關係喔你2006年發動紅山軍搗扁,募了很多錢 |
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同樣也被指控帳目不清．請問是否有這件事．紅山中的帳目清不清楚．有沒有問題．那些木蘭的錢有沒有進到你口袋．請主委回答 |
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我根本不曉得是誰 |
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指控紅三軍債務不清的就是當年的民進黨臺南市議員現任立法委員王定宇 |
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我完全不知道這一段誰對他提告我也不知道 |
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至少跟我無關不知道 |
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市民的紅三軍是勝訴還是敗訴我也不知道什麼都不知道我完全沒有參與這件事情結果法院判決你們紅三軍的總幹事敗訴換句話說紅三軍是法院認證的詐騙集團而你就是詐騙集團的副首領 |
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很荒謬的就是當初被民進黨指為詐騙集團的首領、副首領、姚立明現在被民進黨的總統賴清德提名為大法官及司法院副院長而當初指控你的立委現在跟你相見甚歡啊還合照搶著合照跟你打氣啊請問這是什麼世界啊請問發生了什麼事情啊照片歷歷為墓啊總幹事、主委您有什麼要回答的嗎 |
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我既不是總幹事我也沒有參與這件事情 |
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你對這個感覺的臺灣人不錯惡嗎?當年被王定宇指控,還是你們還敗訴了?那個是...我剛才特別說了,王定宇指控紅杉磯這件事情我完全沒有參與,訴訟我也不知道。最後的敗訴甚至於我們市民給有什麼財務,我也不清楚。 |
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主委,來稍安勿躁前面提到你有很多政黨經歷你在2016年接受金週刊訪問時說過政黨又不是父母不像是我父親姓姚我就得姓姚我的核心價值沒有改變我信仰人權跟民主那是政治最核心的概念這是你自己說過的話沒錯吧對 |
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總算有一個對的你承認的接下來我們來檢視這個關乎人權跟民主你所謂的核心概念的議題我們來檢視你的核心價值到底有沒有改變去年總統大選時國民黨的總統候選人侯友宜提出了本外勞薪資脫鉤請問主委你認同嗎你是否主張本外勞薪資脫鉤是或不是 |
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本牢外牢的薪資脫鉤的事情我應該是贊成的是或不是您是主張嗎?您的想法呢?我對這件事情並不是特別的了解我應該是贊成的再請問主委國防預算關乎我國是否有能力來捍衛國家安全跟主權您同意嗎?我這個觀點您同意嗎? |
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請稍候當然明年我們的國防預算創新高但社會上的確有這個聲音提高國防預算會排擠民生預算那你剛剛回答說你不贊成 |
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我沒有說我贊成提高國防預算我沒有說我不贊成我贊成國防預算提高所以你支持提高國防外交預算 |
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這點你非常清楚好接下來主委我再請教你兩岸的議題當初馬政府簽訂ECFA的時候民進黨主席蔡英文說ECFA是糖衣毒藥但是2016年民進黨執政了繼續吃毒藥執政8年也沒有想把ECFA廢掉 |
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結果現在面臨苦果了中國預告要終止ECFA的早收清單那這對於我們的農業、基建、紡織等企業都造成巨大的衝擊請問主委你認為我們政府要趁這個機會把ECFA斷掉呢還是再積極跟中國政府做溝通甚至是豐富ECFA的項目把更多的產業納進ECFA請回答 |
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我的了解當時ECFA有關服務業的部分沒有雙方簽署一定的約定是對台灣的產業非常有利的至於說ECFA其他的部分我並沒有了解它的評估的效果所以你認為現在應該是停止還是要增加它的內容 |
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主委最近社會上對兩岸交流很多討論我個人長期主張台灣獨立我現在如果去中國大概一下飛機就被抓走了 |
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那有民進黨的委員認為對中國來說．任何兩岸之間交流都是統戰．如果沒有辦法管控風險．那就不要交流．那請問主委．你認為兩岸應不應該交流．甚至擴大兩岸的經貿、旅遊跟文化交流應該應該要擴大交流 |
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主委我繼續再請教你你是憲法的學者對於各種憲政體制應該相當了解請問我國目前是總統制、雙首長制還是內閣制請回答 |
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那你現在的執政者跟國會結構你認為現在是一致的政府還是分立的政府? |
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以執政者跟國會的結構你認為現在是分立的還是一致的當然是行政是行政立法是立法行政立法要有制衡跟監督立法對行政有監督跟行政的你了解我講的就是國會沒過半嘛那我相信你也知道在許多比較類似雙首長制的國家當總統跟國會的多數是不同黨派的時候 |
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就會邀請在野黨組成聯合政府．任命一位國會多數可以接受的人．來擔任葛魁．但是賴清德總統他沒有選擇這麼做．他還是任命同黨的卓榮泰來擔任院長．所以現在朝野關係是相當的緊張． |
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請問主委以你憲法學者的角度你是否認為賴清德總統應該考慮要組成聯合政府化解對立讓政府的運作可以更順暢請回答我不會反對這種思考我也會認為他如果有這種想法是可以繼續努力這種政治決定是各種解決政治紛爭的方法我怎麼會反對呢 |
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這不是憲法的強制要求嗎這是一個政治上的一個選擇 |
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主委我剛剛總共問了你五個問題一個是你支不支持本外勞薪資脫工你說你不支持嘛我不熟悉這個案子所以我沒有辦法回應你說你要減少國防外交預算移作社會福利經費那你是支持國防預算提供 |
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我又請教你,你認為應該停止ECFA還是擴大ECFA? |
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不需要擴大要重新檢討ECFA現在的清單是否可以繼續對台灣的經貿有利這一題你不願正面回答另外我也請教你兩岸應該擴大交流還是不應該擴大交流 |
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我再確認一次第5題你認為賴清德總統應該或不應該組成聯合政府他沒有應該的問題他是可以因為憲法沒有強制他可以怎麼做你支持你也會建議我會支持他做這方面的努力 |
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主委你會知道我為什麼要問你這些題目嗎?不知道你不知道,好就是因為我要檢視你的核心價值有沒有改變 |
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所以我找出2012年台灣國民會議不分區立委的政見這個台灣國民會議是你創立的你是創黨元老之一請主委看一下左邊這張是當時的競選公報你是不分區的第二名而我右邊列出的文字就是你們當年的政見內容也是我剛才問的五個問題 |
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主委你醒了嗎我正在看你現在列的這個我在仔細看我給你報告一下第一個這個紅黨你知道是施明德組織的 |
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我因為是當時紅山軍他邀請我成為他的候選人之一所以你現在列了這些證件不是被逼去的我所有都是被邀請參加幫助他主委我相信當年你們提出這些證件的時候是基於創黨的核心價值那麼時日今日我剛剛一點一點確認 |
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1004.159 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
這些價值改變了多少?或是你自己當年敢勇於主張,現在卻不敢正面回應? |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
你現在列的臺灣國民會議就是前身紅黨的這些在公報上的證件你不要說是你不要因為我因為成為他的不分區第二名認為這個證件是我你的嘛這跟我你的沒關係啊你是創黨元老你是不分區第二名你今天回頭民眾黨的黨綱你全部都有參與嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
我並沒有支持你們當年的政見我只是提出來讓歷史做驗證你的核心價值是不是隨著換了政黨顏色一根的變了沒有啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
我剛剛問你的問題啊你跟當時的政見就有不一致的地方啊其實主委你不要太擔心我認為我認為本席認為每一個人想法改變其實是OK的是可以的但是你必須負責任的去說明為什麼改變所以我暫時 |
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| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
你最主要是哪一項啊?你現在列為認為我們兩項主張不一樣?不是啊,你認為我這有哪些?當時﹖當時的背景希望增加社會福利預算你光安第1個不支持你不支持這個 |
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你只問我前半段嗎?你問我前半段現在贊不贊成國防和外交經費的增加?我回答是我贊成,可是你完全沒有提社會福利經費啊! |
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1135.32 |
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| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
我當然有提案我剛剛提了我問題我特別你如果問我社會福利經費我當然會趕快要排擠嘛你很可能需要去看耳鼻喉科做聽力檢查因為我剛剛覺得你聽力很辛苦 |
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但是我們的對話就是被國會頻道清楚的錄音的。主委我請教你憲法的問題按照中華民國憲法增修條文及兩岸人民關係條例中華民國分為自由地區跟大陸地區自由地區指的是台澎金嘛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
大陸地區指的大概是台灣地區以外的領土那這張圖影片你可以看到左邊這張圖是符合憲法但不符合憲時右邊這張圖是符合憲時但不符合憲法那我想請教主委你認為憲時跟憲法哪一個容易改變 |
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| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1191.582 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
我認為這兩張圖都不完全呈現現行憲法規範我念現在的條文給您聽憲法第二條中華民國的主權屬於全體國民 |
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| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
第3條據中華民國國籍者為國民．所以按照第二條第3條．中華民國主權屬於．據中華民國國籍的．現在颱風驚馬地區人民．毫無爭議． |
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好,謝謝陳委員,也謝謝被提名的人 |
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