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| 委員名稱 |
王鴻薇 |
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15:03:15 - 15:24:11 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-10T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第2次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，茲依據中華民國憲法增修條文第5條規定，提名張文貞、姚立明、何賴傑、陳運財、王碧芳、廖福特、劉靜怡7位為司法院大法官，並以張文貞為院長、姚立明為副院長，咨請同意案。） |
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好謝謝主席請被提名人請姚備提名人答詢 |
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王鴻薇議員 |
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在憲法法庭受理的來自於人民的這個憲法的這個釋憲案是9成以上98%但是呢我要補充但是呢我們事實上人民成功可以受理的成功比例只有3%不到而已 |
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但是民進黨所釋憲尤其在上個會期國會改革案那麼他們的受理比率是高達百分之百這樣的差距這也就是為什麼我們在討論我們現在憲法法庭是不是能夠不受政治的影響 |
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第一題想請問在我們憲法第80條裡面明確規定法官需要超出黨派以外依據法律獨立審判不受任何干涉所以請問一下被提名人您可以做到嗎這個條文跟監察委員的條文也有一個獨立 |
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的一個概念可是監察委員沒有後面那句話不受任何干涉我執行不受任何干涉的實務是如此當我被提名的那天我原來是參與大概有兩個重要的會議 |
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王鴻薇議員 |
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以及外界對於你提名大法官通常都會質疑你你到底是超越黨派呢還是政治變色龍剛才特別提到了就是你過去擔任立法委員是新黨的立法委員那麼也在這個2006年的時候參與了這個倒點行動那我想請問一下為什麼在你的這個 |
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自傳裡面刻意去隱藏了這兩個經歷這兩個經歷應該算是非常重要的為什麼隱藏了 |
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我沒有隱藏這兩個我那個在新黨時間擔任立法委員我從來沒有隱藏在你的自傳裡面在你提供你大法官就是給我們立法院的自傳裡面隱藏了這兩個非常重要的經歷然後我也再補充一下剛才這個被提名的人也特別提到比如說包含你之前是經過新黨提名擔任立法委員 |
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但是後來呢種種理由您離開了新黨在2006年你參加了倒扁行動2007年參加了變成是紅黨的不分區立委的提名人剛才邱毅英委員也通通來補充你說確實但是同樣的你在2009年又接受新黨的推薦參與了補選這也是事實所以我要講的就是說老師我是用無黨無派來簽選的 |
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對,但是是新黨推薦好,我現在要講的就是說為什麼外界會稱之你為政治變色龍比如說我們看到這些照片不管你是在新黨或者當時在施明德主席旁邊導扁行動或者當時柯文哲第一次參選臺北市長你是他的競選總幹事或者後來你又離開了 |
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但我想請問一下： |
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施明德主席有變嗎?他的反貪腐有變嗎?同樣的現在的賴清德跟以前的賴清德有變嗎?有改變嗎? |
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何種理由讓你會因此而變來變去我不曉得我全是被動的我被動的被柯文哲邀請我被動的被施明德邀請我被動的被賴清德邀請我甚至於被動的參與新黨選舉立法委員沒有一個是我主動所以不是變不變的問題而是我沒有把任何人當作一個對手說我今天被他邀請甚至於韓國瑜在選市長之前邀請我我跟他談過以後 |
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李明一生不求官,對不對?而且你說怎麼可以把這一次提名當作酬庸呢? |
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姚老師啊我必須要很誠實的向你說明一個大法官能夠被提名就是一種愁容啊而且如果被提名完全沒有機會被通過那請問一下我想你也不用花時間來這邊我們也不用花時間來對你在做質詢好那所以我也給大家看一下所謂的一生不求官啊 |
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例如說在當時您複選柯文哲擔任台北市長的時候因為當時我也在參選所以我印象極為深刻當時姚老師作為競選總幹事也說我不會入閣我不會求官但是呢當柯文哲擔任台北市長之後呢 |
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我們柯文哲紀前總幹事沒有入閣：可是他的妻子楊芳玲出任了法務局長： |
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同樣的後來你也離開了柯文哲包含你在你的資歷裡面你有寫到你去擔任小英基金會董事後來蔡英文她在當選之後同樣的也提名了您的妻子您的夫人姚芳玲作為監察委員當然啦那時候後來你又去幫忙了姚立明不是不是姚立明對不起啊姚文智 |
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姚文綺敗了所以沒有官可以求沒有官可以給同樣的你再度的去幫忙了賴清德這一次賴清德提名你當司法院副院長所以姚老師不管你的自傳或者你的口頭報告我都把它看得很清楚啊所以我可以講說所謂一生不求官可是如果 |
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我可不可以回應一下因為我舉柯文哲這一次好不好選完了以後他問我我當然就拒絕了就像你所說的我跟他說好了我不去的他就說那可不可以麻煩你太太來幫我忙我說這一點我不能決定 |
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王鴻薇 |
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我從來沒有一天跟我本人聯絡過任何跟楊芳玲有關的事情是某甲某乙應該是我後來也許才知道是因為他的一個友人推薦因為芳玲曾經推薦給我們的蔡英文總統推薦給蔡英文總統跟我姚立明的我一個字都沒提過楊芳玲在蔡英文面前 |
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那別的人推薦楊芳琳跟我你說你這樣子理所當然認為楊芳琳只要擔任監察委員、擔任法務都是姚立明的太太所以我就一定是推薦者這完全不是如此這點我可以提出很多的證據至少柯文哲那次邊上有人可以證明啊我給你的說明其實你這之前都已經說明過我剛講我當時擔任台北市議員而且那時候柯文哲當市長位當議員我非常清楚這一段但是 |
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你的說法其實都是你確實當過柯文哲輔選之後而且讓他選贏了同樣的也是你在擔任小英基金會董事之後然後蔡英文勝選之後也就請你的夫人來當監察委員那我要特別講的就是為什麼在這一次當然這一次的七名大法官各有一些爭議啊 |
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您可以看到 我不曉得你應該會注意到臺灣民意基金會在今年的9月份吧他做了一個調查他針對就是國人對於賴總統提名、姚立明出院司法院副院長和大法官的意見的一個傾向 |
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結果做出來不贊成44%贊成34.4%其實大家也都知道其實台灣民意基金會你不能稱之為他是一個比較偏藍的一個民意機構 |
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而他同一天也做出了一個民調就是支不支持賴總統請賈永傑擔任我們101的董事長當時是44%支持所以我要講的就是說姚老師你確實政治經歷很豐富所以 |
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請問您啊,您被提名是根據我們司法院組織法哪一條而被提名的?第4條,最後一款,第6款叫做研習法律具豐富政治經驗者生育卓著者,對不對?研究法學,富有政治經驗,生育卓著者 |
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我認為你確實富有政治經驗一個人可以造王在輔選這麼多人都可以勝選這樣的經歷確實不多但是所謂的研究法學跟生育卓著我想在這邊就要有一些請教了 |
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我們去查了您的相關的著作您的著作一共有38篇文章然後有6篇是跟憲法有關一篇跟刑法有關其他的都是跟一些政治學有關有沒有錯誤 |
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沒有錯那您最後這38篇文章最後一篇最新的一篇大概是多少年前著作的 |
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最新是2015年您指導做事論文一共9篇最新的是2010年 |
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你任教中山大學、中山所國、中國文化大學行管系但是在教育部的分類裡面他們都不是屬於法學科系我來舉一個就是第12院司法院副院長蘇永清他的專書20本這是專書 |
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最新是2013年期刊100篇最新是2018年他的指導順勢論文81篇最新是111學年度他是政治大學法學院院長兼系主任所以姚老師很多人認為你之所以能被賴清德提名為司法院的副院長 |
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你同不同意? |
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這一點我不曉得賴清德為什麼特別找到我提名這一點他沒有說明他只是他特別推崇你不是他就是直接找到我來跟我說明白然後我說我要回家思考一段我特別提一個觀念政治系數不是法律系數有非常多的憲法教授 |
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胡佛一生是憲法專業可是他是政治系政教如果按照我們現在的規範他更不能做大法官國民黨這次釋憲請的專家就是那個職權刑事法請的專家掌櫃美他沒有在法律系任教過可是你們認為他可以做釋憲的代表但他不是大法官沒有用好大法官 |
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899.626 |
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也沒有讓他當司法院副院長你們認為他去憲法專業才請他做鑑定人嗎所以我們國家我甚至於認為現行的中華民國的憲法有八成是組織偏權力分立的基本原則政黨政治與憲法多數學習法律的人不見得會深入研究 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
900.931 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
915.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
這就是為什麼我實際雖然我是研究憲法為什麼我在剛才口頭報告說明參與實際政治運作我能夠理解憲法裡面有關組織篇這次德國稱之為國家法 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
921.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
942.856 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
王老師你在你的自傳裏面還有今天口頭報告都說明了很多你怎麼樣去參與一些憲法的研究還有推動釋憲那另外一個重要的問題你有一個重要的title叫做國會觀察基金會董事長你做了多少年 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
943.7 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
960.984 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
我做了董事長我前面做執行長做了大概7年8年後來因為我做立委必須要離開因為這是利益衝突後來我又邀請回去做董事然後我慢慢又做了董事長剛剛換人吧 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
966.53 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
984.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
我知道你們董事長剛剛換人我要講的是因為在你的經歷裡面剛才秀應委員秀出總統府的網頁第一個就是說你是擔任國會觀察基金會董事長那我想請問這幾年國會觀察基金會做了什麼呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
992.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
1009.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
因為我要特別講我們這幾年其實政治是很多政治事件包括不管是選舉還有我們在上個會期的國會的改革法案也是吵得震天駕響可是我們國會觀察基金會非常安靜 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
1010.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
1010.999 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
No. |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1029.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1029.924 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
王鴻薇 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1048.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1062.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
上一次的民調做了一個就是66.8%的人反對兩岸同屬一中2015年結束了也就沒有任何的一些行動所以我要請教姚老師 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1063.766 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1082.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
你一直用國會觀察基金會董事長作為你是在包含就是關心國政還有你還有這個包含你是為什麼你是司法院副院長提名人但是這段時間我真的不曉得你在做什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1083.942 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1111.62 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
另外剛才特別提到我也喚醒您的記憶你的論文絕大多數都是30年前的著作所以呢其實您這幾年幾乎沒有再寫你講的比寫的多另外你國科會一般在做研究一定會去申請國科會的這個研究經費你一共申請了三件 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1112.779 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1113.919 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
我剛才在下面 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1140.572 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1147.217 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
我可以說明嗎我忘記是在哪一年我應該在回國以後大概4年我就申請作為教授我寫了很多的論文 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1172.726 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1175.334 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
當時我是所裡頭的教授所裡頭全數通過院裡頭全數通過 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1178.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1206.124 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
送到學校因為我得罪了校長為什麼得罪校長因為我通過我自己草擬了學術校園民主的一個法案就是由系所教授來選系主任院長剝奪了校長的權利那個草案是我擬的也不是我主動教授來幫我請我幫忙我就你我就在校務會裡面來說明就通過了從此以後院長、系主任就由教授來選校長非常生氣所以當 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].start |
1207.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].end |
1214.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[54].text |
我讓我升等,從此以後我成為拒絕,我就拒絕再走一條路,因為這根本是政治上的一個決定。最後一句話,我為什麼會支持這個,因為我們剛剛回到是根據哪一項資格 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].start |
1254.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].end |
1255.67 |
| transcript.whisperx[55].text |
好,謝謝王委員,謝謝背題面 |
| IVOD_ID |
158076 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158076 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-10 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-10T15:03:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-10T15:24:11+08:00 |
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