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| 委員名稱 |
賴士葆 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:13:34 - 12:24:11 |
| 影片長度 |
637 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及基金預算)
三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案。
【所列預算案，僅詢答，113年12月9日下午5時截止收案】
【業務報告及討論事項綜合詢答】） |
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謝謝主席一哥先進了有請紅部長有請紅部長來紅部長請你看兩張啊這個勞保基金啊收不抵資啊從2017年開始他的保費收入3500多億支出3800多億 |
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那個點是276億一路到2023年就去年的時候這個虧的是446億然後今年預估要虧605億2025年預估虧849億就是你們資料所給的啦 |
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而勞保的全程負債有人講十幾兆所以一個人平均要備56萬你可以看2017年到2025年累計的收不抵資3818億我們看下一張從2020年開始政府博補200億2021 220億一直到2024 |
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一千兩百億一號特別條例呢分三年三百億合計已經撥補了兩千六百七十億加上你們現在已經送出來的預算了明年要撥補一千三百億加起來剛好就三千八百七十億來回到前一張啊收不抵之三八一八再回到第二張 |
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政府給了3870這兩張圖講得很清楚就是如果沒有政府撥補勞保是不是破產請問部長是不是?撥補當然非常重要是不是撥補我就請你回答如果沒有這3870億勞保是不是目前數字算起來可能還沒啦但是因為那個危險的線越來越近啦這樣子 |
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你什麼叫危險的現業額已經聽不完這聽不完這是什麼事啊我跟委員報告現在我們的餘額有1兆900多億是啊但是很多人沒有來申請啊那些人全部來的話你就病了啊對吧是是是是吧對不對對我們就是有些人沒有有條件來申請但是他沒有申請所以你還有1兆多否則如果今天那些有資格拖來今天病了啊 |
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我這樣講我對吧那位這位長官這位長官是不好意思我保險司保險司司長是是是跟委員報告我這樣講對吧如果可以申請的人就是今天來申請今天就破產對吧 |
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當然是有很多是這樣子嘛沒錯啊大家都清楚因為有些條件夠了但是他沒有來申請是不是這樣是但是當然還是要符合資格要離職退保啦才可以要離職退保如果還在工作的人也是不能來申請啦 |
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對啦那麼我講的那個就是說如果符合條件的就來跟你申請就破產那麼就不夠了我們的水庫的錢水庫的水不夠嘛可不可以這樣是是是是嘛因為你說一兆多可是我們的負債十幾兆啊這黨的金量 |
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這帳號算嘛對不對那個那個賴委員當然這個潛藏負債的這個部分是說如果當然一次大家都來提領的話會會有這樣子這個我覺得它比較是一個極端情境的啊你這賭他不會一次提領啊我們當然不是賭他啦但是所以我說撥補當然現在還是一個重要的手段之一是對所以你如果按照這位市長講的 |
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二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算：僅 |
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三、審查勞動部長列席報告業務概況． |
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原本大家對於勞保基金的警報的實現往後再拉一點一段時間而已但我們不會說這樣子勞保基金就全然是不用擔心的也不是這個意思啊你有沒有想過怎麼樣讓他因為你剛剛講一兆那你現在潛財務部長十幾兆有人講十五兆打個七折也有十兆你你你你這部長要總是要想一個比較長期的 |
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我所了解的以前的以前叫勞保局的齁勞保局長第一件事情上來看他信什麼宗教他幾乎都是要禱告啦或者要念什麼的說讓他任內不要破產幾乎都這個樣子anytime都會破產啦這是很嚴重的問題你現在可以看嘛這個數字講的2020到2025如果不是政府撥補啊你就 |
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對,很辛苦了啦!很辛苦了啦!我們非常非常審慎的在看待這個問題,絕對沒有隨隨便便。那也因為很審慎所以才覺得這時候政府的撥補在這個過程裡面是有很高的必要性的。你們剛才那個市長講的根本就不需要撥補的啊!不是不是!因為你們有一兆多啊!這麼多錢在那裡啊! |
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大人我們並不是不是這個不需要的意思一兆元其實是現在這是事實事實上面這個是現在的事實即便有一兆元現在來講一個很重要的原因就是因為少子化嘛是不是只有一個來講你水庫政府撥補或者是 |
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寶貴提高有沒有可能寶貴提高即便現在我已經問你時間到了有沒有可能包括寶貴提高或者是砍脊腹這兩件事確實很大程度會影響勞工的權益所以這個事情我們認為要非常非常謹慎而為或者是謹慎的來思量陳建仁前副總統在推動年改的時候他是連勞工都要砍的後來勞工都沒有砍也沒有人反對了保障勞工勞工相對比較弱勢 |
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但是用這個理由但是用軍公交給砍了兇巴巴的然後勞工都不砍還給他這個兩千兩千兩千兩千多億啊這個給他3870億啊就老實講這是安廢的但是但是就是這樣子啊 |
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對,所以剛剛跟大人說明是說不管是增加保費或者是砍幾副這確實是對整體的勞工來說這是攸關非常非常大的原因所以我們在這很謹慎思考下面才會覺得說現在這個政府的撥補很重要也很關鍵啦那那那這樣講的話這樣講的話這個退府基金撥補也就可以了啊如果這樣講的話對不對那個部長啊 |
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你在這裡是不是重申一句話剛剛你講的確定這樣就是最少在你任內你當部長任內不會提高保費勞保保費不會砍勞保的給付一毛錢可以嗎目前政策上面就是沒有要提高保費也沒有要砍給付 |
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就是在你任內嘛是吧?至少至少就目前好最後一個小問題很重要的問題喔我們來看喔薪資佔GDP的比例啊現在都說華佔多華佔GDP成長4%啦當地都4%結果給勞工的只有43%台灣 |
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美國給勞工的53%日本53.5%韓國超過50%這個嚴重的讓臺灣的勞工的薪資都長期偏低我們有7成的勞工領不到平均薪資部長 |
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你有什麼作為說可以讓企業主願意賺的錢多扶你的勞工這是你該做的事情啊讓勞工生活不要那麼的辛苦可以嗎我很同意你現在說的齁 |
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怎麼樣拉高薪資?第一個事情是現在包括我們現在在推動包括薪資的透明化明年可能是就你只要是5萬以下的薪資你其實在招聘過程中你其實都要揭露那這部分過去來看的話是有一定的效果的這是第一個第二個當然就像這幾年我們對基本工資的部分也持續的在做調整 |
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那接下來我自己也在思考我也跟同仁在討論說有沒有可能透過像這個跟金管會合作那對於他在這個相關的ESG相關他可能怎麼樣提出一個能夠提高薪資或者是讓勞工有更多的分潤甚至包括降減低工時的具體的策略或者是行動的方案在這裡面能不能放入我加一點你可以跟金管會談啦我時間到了主席站起來了我尊重喔加一條 |
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你告訴金管委說應該推一個現在不是很流行ETF嗎?加薪100ETF就加薪最前面的100加就放在ETF加薪100現在有個指數了 |
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現在沒有這個指數沒有這個指數沒有加薪100或者加薪50都可以沒有這個指數我想因為讓人在對於這個金融相關的部分當然比我專業很多我覺得我們這些相關的做法我們可以來持續討論我們願意跟金管會來做用多方法的討論我們立委人文言輕啊你部長比較有分量當然當然我是說我們我剛才就跟金管會講了N次他不理我你就跟他解啊有可能有可能性的我們當然願意跟金管會來做討論啊對 |
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一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部中心114年度中央政府總預算案。 |
| IVOD_ID |
158042 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158042 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-09T12:13:34+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-09T12:24:11+08:00 |
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