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| 委員名稱 |
蘇清泉 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:27:07 - 11:43:36 |
| 影片長度 |
989 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及基金預算)
三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案。
【所列預算案，僅詢答，113年12月9日下午5時截止收案】
【業務報告及討論事項綜合詢答】） |
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謝謝主席我請部長還有我們勞動基金運用局書局長請部長跟局長 |
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副委員長。副委員長。我今天要問你兩個問題。第一個問題是問比較大條的。為了說什麼基金、什麼額外佣金什麼的,那我都沒興趣啦。那有很多人在問啊。我現在要問的就是說你們勞動部下面的 |
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新致勞工退休基金4兆5千多億就致勞工退休基金1兆零400多億這兩個加起來就5.5兆還有勞工保險基金1兆零956億這個剛剛你的報告書裡面我看到 |
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就業保險基金1723億勞職災的保險基金365億基建工資電廠193億所以他不東東加起來是7兆5000多億那你今年編450億又要委託這邊代操作那我請問局長這個 |
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這個操作是你在handle嗎?那你是用什麼委員會或是用什麼東東來操作?委員提到的是我們最近一次公告要委託國內的投信來投資國內的股票那這個是我們每年度都會有一個 |
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每年都會有一個委託投資操作的一個招標案這樣那我們這個是採公開評選的方式我們有外部的委員然後有一定有相關的一個程序這樣所以有一個委員會在操作還是不是我們評選的時候有評選委員9位 |
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並顯這些代操縱的監控公司：投信來投標的業者：這個有沒有弊端?如果有虧損誰要負責?然後裡面是所有的七兆多全部都是國內跟國外投資嗎? |
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不是,報告委員我們所監管的基金規模是7.5兆超過那我們的投資是全球多元佈局包括國內的市場國外的市場國內的股票國際全球的股票市場然後還有債券這個是你們委託的這些債操作公司不是你們有自己在操作嗎 |
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有報告委員我們有國內的自營團隊我們有國外的自營團隊我們也有委託國內的投信業者來投資操作我看到的是國內跟國外差不多占一半一半那最近像俄羅斯戰爭在投資俄羅斯那邊都卡死了嗎 |
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是,報告委員我們自營的團隊對俄羅斯並沒有自營的部位那主要是因為我們是全球布局我們有很多的國外委託的案子 |
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那國外的資產管理公司他們我們有一些設計是相對報酬所謂相對報酬就是有一些指標那他可能有一些被動的會去追蹤到各個國家的一個成分股所以我們是其實是被動持有俄羅斯的部分那這個部分我們金額也已經逐漸下降因為我們也要求說國際資產管理公司要能夠來積極處理 |
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我看俄羅斯那個是5、6、10億台幣吧還是2點多美金嗎?欸這有人消息給我這樣,資料給我,我說我今天被他問得清澈耶。 是是是。啊對你,你現在去外面,啊我們台南國來的,有的是什麼福利啦、什麼富華投顧啦、什麼富邦啦,亂搞嘛。內線交易嘛。然後你們的錢去玩嘛。那一、一、一、有沒有這回事? |
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報告委員我們如果說我們受委託的頭信有違反契約的規定或者違反法令的規定我們都一定嚴懲而且我們過去最近媒體報導的那幾家事實上都沒有涉及我們勞動基金的一個委託案那個是包括他們的共同基金等等的因為我們這個部分也會跟金管會很密切的一個合作如果有類似的情形發生你會洗澡多加上郵政儲金 |
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五、四、五、五兆左右那加起來就是我們的國安基金還有一個公務人員的十幾兆捏不定十幾條捏你要講那個三、五百萬的講那個是在揮灑啦這都是恐怖啦這會不會有閉端嗎?那如果虧損什麼要有錢?虧損的國務賽 |
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那個書案當然這個我們拿這個基金來做投資當然這幾年賺錢當然我們不能說他絕對不會賠可是我覺得重點事情是說我自己也要求第一個是希望能夠專業操作 |
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第一個事情是它的專業性要怎麼能夠提高。第二個事情是就像剛剛委員關注的怎麼防避。在防避的部分能夠多加強的部分這也是我請我們基金應用局其實很重要在操作這是這麼龐大的資產最重要的原則啦。 所以郵政儲計那一塊你們沒有管嗎?公保軍保的那個你們沒有管嗎? |
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那另外全部有一個基金局對。 |
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那在維護我們股市的安定國內的副盤這個你們是你們自己操作還是由我們也沒有副盤那個行政院下命令你們就開始沒有沒有我們就像剛剛部長所提到我們都是秉持專業來進行投資操作對於委外的部分也同樣的要求我們自營團隊也是同樣的要求我們都是要秉持專業然後來進行相關的操作我們並沒有 |
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像是那個護法頭顧有好幾個人被判4年啊判了10個月等等那是操作你們的2020年2020年是遠東百貨的部分 |
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有門牌或部門嗎?所以這個部長死的喪利、死不喪利?部長能督促你們嗎?我對你們也不太顧慮,亂步一步,搞不好會出事。那個...那個...所以其實現在... |
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我們的基金運用局在相關的防避尤其之前發生了幾次的弊端我有之前發生幾次弊端所以後來蘇局長也才到這個工作裡面來任職那我其實已經跟我們基金運用局說我們最重要的原則就是專業然後要防止弊端的發生這部分我們希望能夠做得更好這樣子但是這是最重要的原則局長你把這幾年來一些那個 |
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公務及基金預算．僅 |
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沒有怎麼可能這個我們全部都是要依法了對這不可能那個中央銀行操作外匯我們的外匯存底現在差不多50005000多億喔美金喔 |
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那美金帳帳他們都賺錢我們中央銀行是可以分的喔我們拿獎金的喔我們中央銀行以前是一月單月領單薪雙月領雙薪欸你知不知道我們不會去分這個二月四月就領兩個月啊一月三月就領一個月所以一年是領12加618個月 |
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我們是新任機關所以沒有所以要怎麼給你們鼓勵啊如果賺錢的話 |
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三、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部部長列席報告業務．僅 |
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二、審查中華民國11屆第12會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重建中心11屆第12會期社會福利及重 |
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這是怎麼審查的?怎麼審一下給我聽一下?都亂講啊。什麼一年補簽也也是勞動部操作的一部分,也是勞動部的業績一部分。大家都亂講一天。你是怎麼審的?13兆是怎麼算的?什麼時候要破產了?每天就在那裡勤洗勒索,奇怪欸。 |
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是委員公務員報告在講說那個潛藏負債的部分那潛藏負債的意思是說是把一百年後才會發現掉潛藏負債是說曾經加保的還沒有發生對健保不會倒嘛老闆不會倒啊 |
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你這個潛藏負債你告訴我關鍵字你告訴我13兆是怎麼算的啦?不要把人打到動作幼稚園耶。就是說被保險的年資跟投保薪資因為我們勞工保險是世代互助的社會保險嘛那採的是部分提存準備嘛所以產生潛藏負債是公共年金普遍的現象 |
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那所以他會隨著被保險年制跟投保薪資增長而增加他的潛藏負債會增加那所以潛藏負債是未來可能會起伏的但是他不會一次一次才實現了所以他會在未來逐步支出而且如果沒有符合請你的條件他也不會來請 |
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我們整個政府的負債比例我看也都是在很良性的範圍內不像美國已經超過全國GDP的幾倍日本是幾倍我們都還好嘛我們的負債比例不剩也不是算我們整個國家23兆GDP的也不多啊 |
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這個潛藏的步驟他比較是去預設比方說如果是一次性的的給付的狀況發生所以我們很重要的事情是要避免這種恐慌性的的行為所以這裡面確實有財務機關部分也有大家怎麼樣在心裡給大家更多的安心的部分 |
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所以整體來說政府的態度就是政府當然會負最終的責任我們把這個態度給講清楚而且有具體的行動來讓大家知道政府就是會負責才能夠比較能夠去避免就是說他其實這個所謂潛藏負債這個如果一次性的這個報充性的全部來請領但這個狀況是一個蠻極端的狀況那我們用各種方式來防止極端狀況 |
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一套勞基法可以適用 |
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一套勞動計劃。 |
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不可能嘛對不對勞基法當然它立法跟立定的目的其實它是對於這些勞工相關的權益的保障一個最基本的最基本的要求啦但是各行各業確實可能會有些讓他的差別但是勞基法設定目的它是一個最基本最底線的要求沒有勞基法是霸王條款什麼人要拿出勞基法大家都亂部主義嘛 |
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醫生：不管現在也跟住院醫師跟勞動部勞資法,主治醫師怎麼勞動,全世界也沒人敢,你怎麼算事件,像我們主席那些年輕人,總有病人幫他出血了,什麼就病了,那個要怎麼算,所以這個還是要考慮,還是要檢討啦。 |
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846.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[38].text |
那現在因為我們東港那邊遠洋漁船那麼多我跟部長報告齁你有我排個那個考察齁我們到屏東去那個遠洋漁工譬如說一條船是CT4的CT5的100多噸的那個裡面的空間那我們的船是這樣從東港開出去然後上面只有三個人船長大戶輪機長 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].start |
850.769 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].end |
867.343 |
| transcript.whisperx[39].text |
其他移工0然後船就開到印尼然後那些移工印尼的移工就一個一個跳上來上來可能10個20個啊就出力了啊他們大一定都會重建嘛事後拉扎稅都在船都在那條船上嘛 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].start |
868.683 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].end |
879.549 |
| transcript.whisperx[40].text |
他住的地方跟那個船長住的地方差不多耶船長是在船長室裡面你下去我帶你去看他船長室是5T鐵窗耶 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].start |
882.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].end |
883.512 |
| transcript.whisperx[41].text |
公務及基金預算：審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算：僅 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].start |
902.799 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].end |
903.3 |
| transcript.whisperx[42].text |
公務及基金預算．僅 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].start |
922.957 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].end |
944.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[43].text |
這個不同的業別確實會有一些情境的差別但是從勞動部的立場來說的話我們還是希望對勞動勞工只要是勞動者這個他基本的該保障的部分該保護的部分我們還是必須還是要盡力去做那當然啊不要對那些船東啦不然遠洋業者啦對那些船長喊打喊殺每天都是喊打喊殺動作很邪惡 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].start |
947.387 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].end |
947.667 |
| transcript.whisperx[44].text |
公務及基金預算．僅 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].start |
972.316 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].end |
974.078 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
公務及基金預算：一、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算：僅 |
| IVOD_ID |
158036 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158036 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-09T11:27:07+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-09T11:43:36+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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