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| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:16:57 - 09:29:26 |
| 影片長度 |
749 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-09T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請勞動部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。
二、審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及基金預算)
三、審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心114年度預算書案。
【所列預算案，僅詢答，113年12月9日下午5時截止收案】
【業務報告及討論事項綜合詢答】） |
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謝謝主席有請紅部長請紅部長部長早安我今天要跟你談大林電廠的鬼故事 |
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部長大林電廠用了不少不合格的防爆電氣管配件這件事這個弊案我追了很久那也質詢過何部長那我也跟民眾黨其他委員一起召開過記者會那上個禮拜我收到經濟部下面的一個財團法人金屬中心的正式檢測報告 |
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他們按照CNS國家的規範還有國際ASTM的作業規定幫助勞動部職安署對大林電廠抽測的防爆電氣管配件進行完整的這個檢測我先請教部長金屬中心是政府掌控的那他們的報告應該具有公正性跟準確性吧不然職安署不會請他們來幫忙做這個檢驗是嗎 |
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當然金屬中心的報告當然都有它的參考性。好那部長請你看簡報上右邊這張表還是檢測結果我問過金屬中心上面的製造廠商產品名稱型號抽測地點都是台電提供的他們只是照打上去 |
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然後最後一欄石墨求化率的百分比是金屬中心把檢測結果填上去那麼按照臺電採購的規範及所提供的資料臺電採購防爆器管配件材質必須是鋼或是球末鑄鐵 |
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而求墨注鐵依照國家的CNS標準,石墨求化率必須是80%以上才可稱為求墨注鐵。但是我們從檢測結果來看,不知道你看到這個紅框框起來的,134789都沒有達到80%,所以是屬於不合格的產品。那請問勞動部收到這份報告後有做任何調查嗎? |
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該委員報告那個報告我們有收到我們有再找另外一家公司再做double check那至於這個像這種這個採購案件我們在第一時間也那個部產品部也移送那個違法廠商給那個。你在調查中我等你的結果那我想請部長仔細看這個項目8 |
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依照這個臺電供給這個自然暑期金屬中心的製造廠商是鄭鶴公司那產品叫圓形接線盒求化率是零零就是相當於最低階的灰口鑄鐵部長外面那個大馬路上的水溝蓋就是這種材質不可能防爆但是我也請你看 |
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十,一樣是這個鄭賀公司產品的名稱也是都是圓形接線口但求化率有88%那就是合格啦請你先牢牢記住這兩個項目好嗎那我對於台電要跟哪一家公司來購買這個防爆管的配件我認為就是你就是依照這個採購法來進行那任何人任何立委都不應該涉入這橋式因為我們的職責是監督部長你同意或支持我這個觀點嗎 |
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委員這個立場是沒有錯的當然那部長我的個性絕對不會幫特定廠商這個講話有弊端就該追究但是我無法接受台電內部人員竟然有人想藉著這一次職安署的這個抽測想利用我立委的當立委的身手去修理特定廠商利用你嗎 |
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對我為什麼我這樣講還有包括指安署的檢測因為前面10個項目剛剛我提到的10個項目其中有7項就他抽了很多項但是其中有7項是臺電指定給指安署抽的好那在上千上萬個這個防暴配管件中臺電特別指定了一個你看看有明顯是有斑駁有鏽蝕的這個仿冒品圓形接線盒 |
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就是項目八啦那檢測結果就剛剛我報告是求法率是零那我的辦公室主任有參與這次這個抽測他在現場覺得怪怪的為什麼都是你台電指定給指南署呢所以他當場也抽了很多件抽了三件那其中有一件就是第十 |
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那就是說這是其中一項第10那按照前面那張表8跟10部長請你注意同一家廠商同樣是美國著名大廠叫Appleton生產的這個圓形接線盒但是檢測出來一個是求化率是0一個是88%部長你覺得合乎常理嗎 |
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如果從這個數據上面看起來同樣的東西對確實我覺得這邊會有一些需要細究的必要那我進一步查詢嘛要求財電提供當時你的採購進抽驗單那尤其是這10個項目但是這個他們提供我們的第8項是不清楚的不完整那過幾天我只好請他們到辦公室來說明了直接帶當時的這個查驗單到辦公室 |
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臺電知道東窗事發了來電說明的這個臺南臺電南部施工處的鄭姓經理改口了這個項目8就是也就是剛剛你看到的那個這個原型接線盒並沒有材料查驗申請單鄭姓經理並且承認這個項目的原型接線盒是當初 |
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大林電廠工芯改建工程的統包商叫做現代熱鐵公司下面的一個承包商叫做成鋼公司他沒有經過台電查驗甚至將這個來自興達漁港工程的漁料拿來裝在大林電廠的煤倉工程中我上面這些說明都有台電中風在場的這個說明會議上當面錄音的這個證據而且這個會議記錄我也把副本給了這個職安署 |
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主管書你知道嗎?好。我要求台電的調查去調查這個仿冒品到底是誰生產的?到底是不合格的產品是由Appleton來生產還是其他的公司仿冒的?要調查清楚。 |
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那但是職安署是不是也要調查呢?這個仿冒品是生產的我很擔心喔職安署跟我都同時被利用啊要去借我們的手去打特定的廠商那勞動部是不是應該搞清楚台電在搞什麼鬼還是認為部長認為你認為這個勞動部被當這個打手沒關係我是拒絕喔我被拒絕當打手的 |
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那個車員吼我們絕對不允許這個我們勞動部其實作為管制單位被當作是任何廠商競爭任何一方的打手我們絕對不允許這件事情所以一定是從管制的法規來去做出發這是我們一定強烈要求的事情 |
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好,我等你的結果。好,鬼故事講完了。部長,上次我質詢的時候我有請教你,因為環境部彭部長他不但答應了,而且用公文指示說員工下班以後如果要發LINE給員工,要當寫這個專案加班,只要下班的時間發LINE就是加班。那我問部長,部長您上次說就是說這個國外有一些情境,可能類似,但是沒有直接回答我。那我質詢結束後,很多勞動部的基金員工跑來問我啊, |
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他說委員你應該繼續追問下去啊那這個部長我今天再問你齁勞動部主管下班傳LINE給員工就是加班那應該要有加班費或是補休你做得到嗎這個我想我們會優先來做的是說把這些真的不必要的工作排程導致的加班的狀況我們會優先的來改善但是你做得到嗎你難免啊如果環境部做得到勞動部做得到嗎 |
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我們會優先的先來降低：立勞動部委員工士氣現在是最壞的時候你若沒一個實際作為他們會很心寒部長你今天沒辦法承諾我嗎那個委員我說這樣子的工作情境當然我們在一些國外其實有看到那我覺得我們會盡力的往減少加班的方向來做 |
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職業安定基金還有勞動部的預算很多委員關心我現在要告訴你一件事勞動部還花錢在養一些慣老闆去年勞動部本部決標的標案有99件我把這99件的標案這個得標廠商去丟到那個違反勞動法令的查詢系統去交叉比對不得了了發現有25件的這個得標廠商近年都違反過勞動法令而且很多是慣犯 |
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這些廠商累計的違規事數只剩到去年是194次等於說勞動部有四分之一的標案都是給違反勞工法令的廠商。部長你覺得這樣合理嗎? |
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這個我們這部分我們會依照目前採購法跟工程會的一些相關的規範來進行。我跟你講我再告訴部長這99件的標案大概總金額是八千八百萬但是這些罰款累計139次的罰款金額才一百七十幾萬部長你覺得不是很奇怪難怪每個企業都不怕這個違反勞動令因為本來你只是你是可以罰到二十萬但是都罰一萬兩萬 |
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那他們想說我繳錢了事啊消花錢消災啊那你勞動部到底這個罰款是你要繼續反正你罰了我你就繼續給我標案啊等於我犯規了我還繼續有堂吃啊部長這件事我要求一個月內給我書面報告合理吧 |
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這個這部分現在討論這個議題其實我也蠻關注的吼那尤其是我就是給我一個報告嘛你們就發票給這麼多沒有問題這個他賺八千八百萬結果你發了一百多萬他當然不怕嘛我會請業務單位做相關的說明跟檢討提供 |
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這個數字您大概很清楚吧,因為當時我也質詢過從許部長到何部長,那新的來源國,那這個應該是很好談職聘跟居土居的時候,可是部長您也當時也提供說您覺得要有競爭力的職聘嘛,您講出來,那我請問你5%您覺得符合競爭力嗎? |
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這個回答陳委員我當時其實說競爭力的意思是我們要相對於這個仲介的這一個軌道要讓國家的職聘做到好用這個要讓他有競爭力那這個5%的目標是底線 |
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這個百分之五的目標是底線我當然希望可以做到更多好謝謝部長最後一件事就是外籍漁工的權益你知道台灣遠洋漁業今年又被美國列為這個強迫勞動清單吧連續三年了你知道嗎這是個惡名欸 |
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我知道遠洋漁工主要是屬於農業部來主管但是勞動部還是有角色啊尤其這個漁業人權行動改善方案勞動部是有一些參與的實業務我問何部長我說這些遠洋漁工常常面臨薪資被扣超時加工還有肢體虐待那何部長說事件都消失了那他就已經沒有這件事情了他還說他要跟美國反應但是但是移工團體跟我的反應都不一樣欸 |
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二、如果這個情況都消失為什麼美國還把我們列在這個強迫勞動清單裡面呢? |
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所以部長是這樣子第一個勞動部真的有去澄清嗎?像美國澄清說你幫我把從臺灣從這個二名拿掉你有做嗎?有去澄清嗎? |
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所以我在這裡我說明我對這件事情的看法其實對於目前國際上面對於強迫勞動議題其實我認為其實我們的政府各部會都需要更加的重視 有沒有去澄清部長告訴我說沒這件事了 |
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我先說明因為這確實就漁工的部分他其實目前是農業部主管但我自己認為我自己認為有做的可以可以有做的更好的地方而且勞動部也願意跟農業部包括漁業署一起針對強迫勞動的議題我們能夠來找到更多如果有能做而未做的地方我也願意能夠做更多 |
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這部分勞動部非常非常願意來配合來克服這個事情。如果美國沒有誤會我們,我們就是這些現象都還存在嘛。好,請部長好多努力。好,謝謝主席。 |
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| IVOD_URL |
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| 日期 |
2024-12-09 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-13 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
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2024-12-09T09:16:57+08:00 |
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2024-12-09T09:29:26+08:00 |
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