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| 委員名稱 |
伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe |
| 委員發言時間 |
18:24:26 - 18:44:59 |
| 影片長度 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-06T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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謝謝主席有請被提名人被提名人伊萬納威委員好伊萬委員您好我這樣稱呼您正確嗎伊萬正確對 |
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麥玉珍委員 |
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的一個文化差異上如果我們沒有辦法去做一個很及時的機會教育的話其實蠻可惜的所以我希望說您下次如果遇到有人沒有辦法正確的稱呼您 |
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您可以用您的微笑來用這個機會來介紹我們賽特克族的命名文化可以嗎可以謝謝謝謝那您做過四年的考試委員對吧對有沒有接到過族人的陳情有有齁我跟您說齁 |
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我常常也接到很多很多的陳情但是有的陳情有點超乎我立法委員的一個權責我舉個例子應該跟您有關係像我們有安息日會安息日會呢您應該知道他們會在禮拜六安息敬拜一直到等送完夕陽 |
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那對他們來講其實這是很重要的就是要謹守安息日所以呢他們幾十年來有一個困擾他們問委員你能不能夠幫忙他們說為什麼國家的考試各種的考試包括從過去的聯考等等都要放在禮拜六 |
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他們說對我們的很多教友而言真的是沒有辦法參與那我唯一能夠幫助他們的是什麼呢就是我有跟原民會說可不可以把我們的族語認證考試 |
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同意放在他們的三育聖經學校等他們送完夕陽再讓他們開始考很感謝園民會從善如流體恤我們族人的民意他真的做了但是我現在就想問您 |
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就是面對這樣的一個陳情面對國家的考試制度我不曉得說我想聽聽看您的意見您會怎麼樣協助他們這種安息日教會的沒有辦法在禮拜六去做任何事情的你怎麼幫助他們因為他們真的很多人因為謹守這個信仰他們還真的就不會去參與任何的國家考試怎麼辦 |
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跟委員報告國家考試總共有20一年要考個就是總共有20場那一般我們這個舉行考試的時候為什麼會選擇6日這個問題我曾經好像也是跟委員這邊瞭解到說因為為什麼都是禮拜六或禮拜天後來才知道就是因為我們都要借考場 |
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學校考場只有六日最多禮拜一再隔一天大型的考試大概就是三天、四天所以我們接考場這件事情只能用在 |
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Iwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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作為但是呢你只要遇到還在學習就是在在學期當中的時候比如說護理師考試我們增加了第三次可是剛好那個時間學校還在考試還在學生還在上課所以就沒有辦法所以其實是跟我們的空間可以借用的空間有關 |
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那謝謝委員謝謝您有曾經關注也思考過這個問題我拋出這個議題就是想要請您在未來如果您繼續擔任我們的考試委員我希望您能夠救一些看起來似乎不可能但是我們還是要基於解決我們人民的問題我們要想方設法去找出目前的問題是什麼 |
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那我們怎麼樣去解決目前我們所遇到的問題那可以用什麼樣的方式來去我相信如果你能夠做出這一些的重大突破那您真的是在我們的歷史定位上會有您的名字我希望你用這樣的心情來看待所有我們所面對的困難好嗎那我也在想剛才有幾位委員我跟您說 |
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其實我們原鄉現在的派出所很不容易看到原住民級的警察這個跟十幾、二十幾年、三十幾年前是很不一樣的 |
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那怎麼辦呢我作為立法委員我也要努力啊所以呢我從一進來我就一直要求我們的警專警大要把原住民這種錄取的名額希望比例要加高今年已經增加到3.5% |
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那麼我覺得不夠為什麼因為警政署跟我溝通的時候這樣很多了我說不行因為透過這種考試途徑進去的他不見得會願意回到原鄉他回到原鄉他也不見得是在部落長大的孩子他不見得懂語言會文化他也不見得習慣所以我說不夠我們要另外再增加原住民行政警察 |
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那經過我幾年我也很高興最後警政署也同意了但是他告訴我說委員我們要在我們的警察特考行政警察裡面加一個原住民行政警察這個問題去問了考試院呢他們也說可以但是他們建議要在原民特考裡面放一個原住民行政警察 |
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現在我想請教我們的考試委員你怎麼看待這個問題如果我們的目標是要放在我們的原住民警察回到自己原鄉服務的話放在原民特考試有它的可行性 |
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好 我就要您這句話但是我的看見也是這樣我也跟警政署溝通因為如果你放在原住民的特考他就會回到原鄉服務如果你放在自己的警察特考他不見得需要回到原鄉服務因為我們需要的是為原鄉留財留什麼財呢具有文化敏感度的人才 |
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他才能夠真正的服務那邊的人可是警政署說依照我們的人事警察任用條例他竟然說我們除了自己的警察特考我們可以來分發他說那就是高普考了 |
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但是他不承認原民特考說因為除非修法沒有在他們的人事警察任用條例裡面那我在這個地方我不細談這個問題我只是要把這個問題帶給您因為我也覺得這件事情您應該要使上力我們一同來努力這樣可以嗎可以好那我再請教您喔因為你有做過原民會的副主委嗎 |
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您知不知道剛才前面的委員也問過了您知不知道最近我們的原住民的有五位委員其中有三位是自己的一個主題版本 |
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他們呢要來修原民會的組織法而且呢他修的是去第三條是干預我們原本的主委的人事任命權希望能夠什麼行政院長的人事任命權希望山原輪流輪流當然後原本還說要給原住民的鄉長議員來同意然後再任命 |
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那又來呢第四條說要把過去好不容易爭取到的族群委員我們尊重他的主體性而且賦予他十二職等希望他的地位能夠跟副主委一樣因為我們的主委是單一族群的委員但是他的薪水其實沒有跟副主委一樣高因為他不是主管職好現在要把他們變成無給職讓他泡沫化虛無化沒有話語權 |
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我不曉得您做過副主委您對於這件事情你有什麼看法特別是當理由是我們要把這省區、山區的兩千多萬我們要拿來增加聘用園民會的公務人員我光是問您第一個問題那個預算科目拿掉可以挪作去聘公務人員嗎行公不行就好了 |
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不行嘛那公務人員可以這樣子隨隨便便我們就可以聘進來嗎 |
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我聽到這樣就好了所以我想要講的是其實我們有很多的問題我覺得在考試委員這個位置上我們也可以來做發聲因為我們尊重你們是專業的委員好不好那其實我剛剛前面只是就您過往的經歷跟您做一些意見的但是我還是要回歸正題 |
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今天我們是針對我們的考試委員來這個地方溝通我最重要、最在意的只有兩個面向第一我們原住民的人才要怎麼樣適當的方式被考選、被把著另外一個面向我在意的是國家整體的公務人力 |
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我們怎麼樣讓每一個公務員．面對臺灣這個多元族群的國家．能夠有文化敏感度這個是我很在意的我相信也應該是您的任務所以我在這邊我就要來問剛才有幾個委員都已經說了 那我就不要特別原住民的公務人員的占比 |
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112年最新的資料雖然您提供的資料是111年的現在是1.9%但是我們原住民的人口占全國總人口的比例現在最新的資料是2.5%1.9%到2.5%其實是一個很大的一個落差所以我想要問您最主要的原因是什麼 |
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這個當然跟我們現在那個我們現在原住民考試是依據我們工作權保障法所以在那個任用上他分發的地區主要是在原鄉所以這個部分可能也是影響我們現在新世代的原住民年輕人的一種選擇 |
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因為我們現在有60%左右的族人都已經在都會區所以他可能在考慮我要不要報考這個原民公務人員要不要報考原民這個公務特考這件事情他可能會有些考慮其實你也提到了那我就順便講下去其實在我們一般行政體系原住民公務人員的人數比例 |
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我覺得這個也不用問啦一定是很少對不對您是說現在我們原住民級的公務人員在我們的一般的行政體系佔的比例人數應該很少對不對是更低嘛更低那您有您可以掌握得到嗎大概比例是多少現在原住民 |
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在一般公務體系在公務體系大概只有1.8%應該那個是我們在全國公務體系但是他們大部分都落在原住民行政機關對那落在一般的行政機關那個只有更低對 更低 但是你有辦法掌握數據嗎 |
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呃﹑現在﹑大概﹑你知道你就講﹑對﹑不到一千人﹑不到一千人﹑對﹑所以你可以換算那個比例多少嗎﹑如果按照我們現在目前六﹑呃﹑六千七百二十三的﹑六千七百二十三原住民工人員﹑好﹑那委員我就繼續問下去﹑嗯 |
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多少比例是透過原特這些原住民級的公務員多少是原特多少比例是高考、普考、其他的專業特考我會問這個的原因是考試院你前面四年只有你一位原住民的考試委員是你有在做這個分析嗎你有在做這個資料庫嗎有 |
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有資料庫我其實多麼希望你可以在今天的報告呈現出來但是我沒有看到其實我要談這個問題是我希望你要掌握因為原住民公務員的升遷狀況我的意思是說我舉個例子像軍人我其實經常質詢我其實心裡很難過 |
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我們就像那個金字塔在那個最低階的比例好高啊越往上沒有沒有還好它有天花板像軍人可能到上校就上不去了警察也是到兩線一他就上不去了越基層的他越多為什麼因為沒有人把著啊沒有背景啊所以這個對我們考試院來講我們講考還有呢 |
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訓、權、升遷所以這個權很重要我們很關心我們原住民級的這些公務人員在原鄉的行政機關在原住民事務的主管機關在我們一般的縣市地方一般中央的一般行政直系他們有沒有升遷的管道 |
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978.589 |
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這個對於賴總統講的他從台南市長就一直講要推動族群主流化到了行政院長講要推動族群主流化他現在成為一個總統要推動族群主流化但是我們很不容易看到成效 |
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很不容易所以考試院、考試委員你有很重要的責任這一些數據的掌握以及怎麼樣為他們去做好這些考、全、訓、保 |
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這個都是您的責任您知道嗎所以我希望我們考試委員我知道的是我看到一筆108年有一個近年來全國原住民族公務人力數據分析這個是最後一筆資料在2019年有出版 |
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委員我希望你繼續你有看裡面的資料嗎有這個是每年都會有一個統計我希望這些工作都是你應該要努力的方向我覺得歷史會給你定位你要做的事情很多因為只有你一位所有原住民的事就是你的事但是你不要一肩扛你要發揮你的族群主流化你的影響力讓整個考試院的夥伴一起來為原住民服務可以嗎可以 |
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所以我剛剛講了我在意的就是族群主流化那我不曉得說過去的四年你在這方面有沒有做過哪一些族群主流化的具體努力然後作為我們考選的改革 |
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考選方面我們其實在委員也知道我們在原住民考試各類科裡面尤其是原住民行政都會有原住民族政策原住民族歷史文化或者是等等這樣的一個科目但是我認為在文化敏感度的訓練跟族群主流化這種思維 |
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也要放在訓練裡面所以在國家文觀裡頭我就要求他剛剛前面有幾位委員提到多元文化就是族群和諧、多元文化發展那一堂課是我要求的所以我看到他在120小時的訓練裡面至少有10個小時是在上相關的課程 |
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我們當然還有很多努力的空間那委員因為也只剩一分多了我在這邊就不繼續再問但是我就是趁這個剩下的一分多我希望你可以簡單的、簡短的來回答因為你作為考試院唯一的考試委員 |
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1157.101 |
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你之前有四年的機會去做這個工作做這個努力現在如果有機會又給你四年的機會、四年的努力我希望你能夠很清楚地告訴大家你會為我們整個原住民的人才的跋涉 |
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1158.786 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1179.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
還有我們人才的選用還有他的制度的保障以及所有包括公務人員包括非原住民公務人員的一個訓練他的文化敏感度然後對整個國家政策的族群主流化怎麼樣從遍佈到每一個威脅管 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1180.579 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1189.871 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
這個是你很重要的方向那對我來講這也是我一直要努力的方向我希望你很簡短的來回應一下 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1190.851 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1216.708 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
是委員原住民公務人員也是我們整體全國公務人員的一份子所以包括保障包括這個全序訓練應該都是一樣的但是就像委員講的過去可能考試院比較沒有多元文化的一個思維所以我們在裡面的參與其實可以增加對他們的一些 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1218.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1230.84 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
那最後5秒鐘再給你一個任務也是我的任務不要忘記原住民自治是不妖原住民自治人才的培育也要謝謝謝謝吳委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
158015 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158015 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-06 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-06T18:24:26+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-06T18:44:59+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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