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| 委員名稱 |
盧縣一 |
| 委員發言時間 |
18:04:01 - 18:24:12 |
| 影片長度 |
1211 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-06T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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有請委員請被提名的人伊萬納威委員好我們第一次見面是也沒有見過你我先問你喔廣泛的我們臺灣的原住民族的你我他的你的授格怎麼說 |
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Iwan NawiIwan NawiIwan NawiIwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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你說的是透過身份語言生技的分析對不對雖然我聽不懂不過我要考你的用意是我想知道你對語言的熟悉度那我在走訪各部落的時候發現 |
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泰魯格也就是賽德克同一個語系的一個族群的發音模式跟我們盧凱排灣的拼音模式竟然不一樣我常常到一個教會我拼不出來這個教會的名稱我發現的問題是它的子音單獨發音那我們在盧凱排灣的時候是子音要搭配母音才可以發這個音所以我在看你的書有個叫做賽德克故事我來念一下 |
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Iwan NawiIwan NawiIwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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跟委員介紹一下我們賽的客語就是說子嬰後面一定是母嬰所以並不是沒有母嬰只是說把那個母嬰就是把它省略掉所以看到子嬰的時候它後面是母嬰的ㄛ的嬰 |
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所以他因為沒有我們沒有學過就不知道所以因為我看到單獨的只連續五個的話我就不知道怎麼發音那這樣我就適宜了不過我為什麼會提這個就一個我們16個族群來說如果要學習語言的話他一定是從文字開始嘛那如果一個基本上我是學過羅馬拼音的人我看到了你們的 |
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主語描述我沒有辦法一下子來發音出來可是如果有一天你到屏東去看我們的主語呈現如果你學過英文你大概很簡單的就會就可以發出來那如果是你學習羅馬拼音的話就更容易了 |
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那我的建議就是說有沒有可能16個族群的一個拼音模式當然我們說啦啦的或者一些比較特殊的一個喉聲音啊或是捲舌音如果不是用我們一般的那個符號可以標記不過如果說就一般我們剛才你說的冥冥子音跟母音是母音有存在可是你卻省略了可是就外族人在看的時候我覺得在學習上面就會有困難 |
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在學習的一開始是一定要說明謝謝就你的現在的一個工作來說請你簡略的告訴我們這四年你最滿意的是什麼 |
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我想應該是去建立那個原住民組考試工作小組的那個平臺也就是說去針對我們原住民考試的一些要精進的工作邀請我們考試院的三個部會然後教育部、園民會、我們行政院人總一起來共同研商解決一些原住民現在的一些困境 |
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那剛剛在前面有委員我有報告過那就是說除了我們在今年開始我們把原住民考試的各類科都減科了就是說過去要6科我們就變5科以前5科要變4科這樣以此類推當然他是根據那個高普考試的科目一起去做減科的動作 |
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二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整普通科目與專業科目的成績佔比二、調整 |
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文化敏感度問題的一個考題還爆出一個送分的一個這樣一個爭議你覺得以後要怎麼辦 |
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跟委員報告這件事情是我個人所經歷的當時就是一考完試我們就有社工人就是說社工的教授臺大的一個社工教授就跟我聯絡他說原住民應考人就反映到這個問題那我很快的去跟我們專技師因為這個考試社工師的考試是我們專技專技師在負責 |
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所以瞭解那個狀況以後我就發現這個題目是比較早期的題目就是說1990年代那段時間委員說這個題目你沒有先看過也不能先讓你過目委員報告因為題目不是考試委員可以看那個是我們典事會議所那個我們都有命題委員 |
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有樂圈委員我還是希望能夠與時俱進因為現在這個我們會在展示會議上多多在跟命題委員做一個提醒因為目前居住在都會區的原住民越來越多所以設公司常常會面臨到比較我們所謂 |
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以一個例子好了現在我們很多新興的部落比如說里納里有三個鄉的還有長治大愛也是跨三個鄉的一個大部落可是這樣的新興的部落卻沒有分住所 |
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那也就是說在設置方面或者是人員金融方面我們原住民特考真的是要多釋放一些名額我們現在是有法警這樣的一個名額可是沒有所謂的行政警察這樣一個類科我希望這一兩年可以朝這個方向來前進可以嗎好你有去過長治百合嗎長治還沒有還沒到那邊 |
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希望你能夠來看一下因為他目前聽說是目前是聚落最多人口最多的原住民社區那你看如果是來自不同的地方又那麼範圍那麼廣他又鄰近我們高速公路又是鄰近我們漢人的族群我相信那邊很需要警察來不是說保護至少去巡邏或是說去如果有一個在地的事情發生的話能夠很快在5分鐘之內有人可以來來看發生了什麼事情 |
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那我還有特別關心的就是說我們所得替代率的部分之前軍人的退休替代率很像有調整到90%那警察的部分目前有沒有朝這個方向來前進 |
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目前年改大概先就目前的那個狀況再持續推展那將來會怎麼樣我覺得可能也是要看我們整個退伏基金的整個狀況所以你有支持我們退休警察跟軍人的那個待遇是一樣的調整嗎 |
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委員會主席 |
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我大概知道你的態度了那第二個就是說我們現在警察在考試的時候我們常常最常接到的就是身高的限制那身高的限制我是覺得我們上一個會期我也提到很多國家歐美國家已經沒有身高限制只有BMI限制甚至比利時呢還是只有象徵性的提了一個身高限制是125公分也就是說這個限制是沒有限制的意思 |
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所以我們在以後的或者說能不能盡早來規劃這個身高的限制因為我們常常都提到收到的一些陳情就是說差了0.3公分0.5公分其實沒有差很多可是這個身高的限制真的是沒有意義能不能朝這個方向來前進我們會跟內政部來好好研議是不是取消或者是怎麼樣的一個情況 |
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我想請問你一下你有沒有去過烏來區?去過你知道烏來區衛生所的編制裡面有幾個醫生嗎? |
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一般原鄉的衛生所大概就一個主任大概一個大部分都是兩個醫師可是物來區有三個醫師那我這次去澳洲參加我們台灣原住民醫學會跟那邊當地辦的一個所謂的太平洋原住民醫師的一個研討會那我聽到了一個印第安的一個 |
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特殊生活圈報告 |
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可是他們已經做到加拿大已經做到3000多個人是有多少個醫師來照顧呢是有67位醫師他們怎麼來解決這個問題就是說他們朝著朝這個方向他不是他不是以數量來做服務的一個考量而是做用品質 |
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監製副院長：周弘憲為考試院第十三屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、黃東益．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒� |
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如果多到十個二十個我覺得都無所謂都可以為什麼呢一個部落如果需要每個醫師的話你看我們有多少個部落那更何況是護理人員我們是只是講醫師的部分所以我是覺得以後在做衛生所整體規劃的時候這個編制上面應該要跟平地不一樣 |
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我看到人家是這麼努力然後看到他們這樣一個規劃他認為比如說啦我在我在偏遠地區生活我需要副廠科醫師我需要小兒科醫師我要復健科醫師這樣一個邏輯嘛那我們現在是包山包海一個衛生所一個醫生然後一個主任然後兩個都是醫師可是可能他的科別是相同性的 |
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可是我們看到加拿大這個例子它可以在一個區裡面三千多個人而已可以有六十多名醫師我是覺得我們如果朝這個方向前進的話我們才可以真正縮短平均餘命因為有那麼多的醫護人員在照顧這整個部落的話是不是對整個部落的健康就會有很大的幫忙這是我這次去澳洲的看見 |
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將來我們有機會可以跟衛福部來研商編制上的人力上的一個充實所以我們就會延伸到剛才鄧家畢也提到所謂有公費一事的問題目前老師的問題比較少人會提到有缺額的問題 |
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教育部有比較通盤的考量我比較發現養成計畫的所謂現在所說的公費生其實他就是養成計畫的醫護人員其實有很多 |
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Iwan Nawi為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．邱文彥、Iwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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衛福部有一個24億的偏鄉計畫他當然衛福部的解釋說他當然不是只有訓練這個部分包括設備不過他很明顯就在可以說是護航我們在國外畢業的一些醫學生或是牙醫生然後能夠進入到這個偏鄉計畫來受訓那我們明明就有養成計畫的畢業生可是沒有人去想到他們如果去照顧他們 |
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Iwan Nawi為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長． |
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推估應該有上百人所以這樣的一個數據我覺得如果我們考試院這邊如果可以想辦法看他們來輔助他們通過國家考試的話這群人還可以回到我們原鄉服務是不是剛才我所說的那個一個鄉很多的醫護人員來照顧就會有獲得一個學習的一些進步是 |
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衛福部教育部教育部教育 |
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我的了解是他們在國外採任的這個資格他們會非常嚴謹他們的把關是蠻嚴格的副部長也是有跟我說保證說一定是把關可是我要講的是我們原住民我們養成計畫這一群畢業生應該有人替他們想辦法而不是讓他們畢業了以後完全沒有人幫忙 |
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我想說讓委員知道說以後你在考試院可以朝這個方向來努力剛才有提到比如說原住民特考可以有行政警察類科那是不是我們的原住民特考也可以有公費醫師這樣的一個類別讓他們有不同國家考試的一個選擇當然不是因為這個考試會比較簡單而是說這個考試可能針對如果通過的一些我們的醫師他就可以 |
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所以他是哪一組的就到哪一組服務或是哪一區的就到哪一區服務就可以比較去減少很多我明明不是這一組比如說我 |
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很多人他不是這組跑到那個組的話其實就很像到國外一樣他也完全聽不懂也不了解當地的文化那如果說就剛才的這些所謂我們盤點這些沒有取得國家考試的這些醫生或是醫護人員、販子那我們就可以多少可以解決我們偏鄉的這些造戶的困境 |
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因為醫事人員其實是為國家人民的健康權在影響我們的健康安全等等就是說衛福部應該是會比較嚴謹的在看待這樣的一個事情所以這個部分我們 |
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將來如果在考試端這邊﹖看看我們怎麼樣可以協助﹖將來有機會的話﹖也會把這樣的問題也帶去研議我是希望拋出這個問題﹖讓考試院至少去策劃一下﹖或者去理解他們的需求﹖或者是去規劃一下﹖我們未來偏鄉照顧的問題﹖可以嗎 |
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最後剩下三分鐘的時間我想問你對我們目前紛紛擾擾的族群委員的態度族群委員目前立法院正在吵的這些問題比如說無極職或是什麼的 |
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第一個我尊重貴院大院是我們立法最高機關所以你們的修法應該就是我們會尊重對我的意思是說像你的目前是賽德克組嗎對那你目前的賽德克的族群委員你可以做一個簡單的介紹嗎他是誰我記得是潘杰然後他的背景是什麼 |
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潘杰是長期在部落裡面做很多文化或者是產業方面工作的一個年輕人那我的理解是這樣因為這個問題可能很多人都有不同的想法可是我的想法就是說應該是回歸到所謂的制度面能不能就是在遴選或者是說我們 |
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主委、園民會這邊在頒布的時候是不是一個很正統的一個所謂的領選的一個制度跟我原報告我的了解在這方面其實是有制度的如果今天我們遇到一些需要調整的地方我們就調整 |
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這個族群委員他非常重要的工作可以是協助就是園民會因為園民會他還是行政機關但是如果我們透過我們不同的族群委員可以是幫助我們了解原住民在比較地方或原鄉的一些需求我覺得他的功能還是有的 |
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當然我不是說否決他的功能我是很尊重這個職位而且我認為這個職位非常的重要他甚至我已經把他形容成為一個族群的一個外交官他如果今天是少主的 |
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主權委員來到屏東的話他可能就是可以好好介紹他這個族群讓我們知道說少主是什麼樣的一個族群以這樣的一個角色那所以我覺得這個角色非常的重要所以現在大家在吵的原因就是說他是不是已經不具有這方面的一個所謂的背景所以大家才會質疑這樣的一個角色 |
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所以我是建議啦而且是當然或者跟著黨團來修法的話我們還是希望能夠朝制度這個方向來前進把這個聆選的一個制度用好才不會產生這些紛擾的一些議題出來從制度面應該是最好的那你跟我的看法一樣那我們就一起努力特別是我們養成計畫的公費生謝謝你謝謝委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
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| IVOD_URL |
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| 日期 |
2024-12-06 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-06T18:04:01+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-06T18:24:12+08:00 |
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