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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
17:42:55 - 18:03:52 |
| 影片長度 |
1257 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-06T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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主席在場的各位被提名人有請我們伊萬納威委員被提名人請被提名人答詢 |
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委員好您好就比照我們蘇委員巧惠他說我稱呼您伊萬納威這樣正確嗎現在委員的發音是中文剛剛那個蘇委員剛剛是賽德克語伊萬納威OK那為了避免我的拙劣發音我還是稱您委員就好了畢竟您是現任的考試委員可以嗎 |
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謝謝剛剛我的標題是年金改革你我都是受益人原名特考、廣開類科、落實自治首先要跟您請教目前最熱門的議題畢竟您擔任了四年的考試委員 |
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而最近年金改革又被重提那目前藍白在野黨他們不斷的提出對於所得替代率過去的年金改革的定案是會一路下降到60%那麼對於年金改革從這6年來我們逐步在推動上路為國家為我們的年金水庫充實不少那想必您對年金改革也有一定的了解是嗎是 |
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好 那先請教一下請問您何時進入公務部門服務的2005年OK 2005年那你知道年金改革有個關鍵的日期就是1995年民國84年嗎是它是什麼樣的意義那個時候應該是給你一個提示18%你知道是從何而來嗎大概知道那個18%18%是什麼年金改革當中 |
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退休的一個優惠因為您在2005年才進入公部門服務所以您對於1995年之前您是不太了解的那我希望未來我們的考試委員在面對這個議題都能夠對於年金改革有所掌握剛好我的家人也有在1995年之前就進入公部門服務的教育人員那麼那時候就有188的優惠存款換言之在民國84年之前的公務年資 |
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是可以提取一筆一式退休金存放在優存的帳號當中以這些優存的利息來抵充政府支付給他的年金這個您知道嗎 |
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你瞭解那你認為過去政府用公務人員公教人員的一次退休金繼續存在政府臺灣銀行帳戶當中給予18%的優惠利息存款來沖抵他的月退休金也就是年金你覺得這樣的做法合理嗎合宜嗎這個是不同時代的一個做法 |
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所以這個退休金年改會有一個階段性的改革是有它的原因嗎可能委員您大概沒有意料到在您再次被提名被審查的時候會問到這個議題那我相信如果您能順利通過審查未來四年仍然會面對這個議題建議您對這個議題可以再繼續深入的了解那底下就我所知提供您做一個參考 |
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其實18號的優存利息並不是公教人員去跟當時的政府爭取來的福利不過換個方式來講更可以說是當時財政拮据的政府為了避免一次性的支出退休公教人員的退休金他等於是以存款的形式支付給退休公務員退休的貸款利息如果你不是很了解這個拗口的話我就這麼說好了 |
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如果當時在民國50年50年代60年代政府的財政不是很好的情況之下面對大批一次退休的公務員一次提領可能數十萬的退休金政府的財政負荷不了於是政府就跟退休公務人員說你這一次的退休金你不要領走你放在我台灣銀行帳戶我每個月給你18%的利息等於是政府跟退休的公務人員借他的退休金給政府先用付他利息這樣您瞭解嗎 |
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所以那個時候其實這個18%當時的利率普遍民間都要9%以上所以給他加倍的利息緩和了政府在財政上調度的困難某個程度上是當時退休的公務員解決了政府財政調度問題 |
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但是在接著後續從80年代開始90年代開始80年代政府給予軍公教人員公教人員的月薪已經跟民間的水準一般了到了90年代超過民間的平均所得月薪資所得已經是超過一萬了 |
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所以剛好在那個時候就發現這個18%的優存利息開始產生一個現象也是退休的人如果加上民謀84年的一個年資他可以提領18%的退休優存的利息他的所得替代率甚至超過當時還在職同職等的公務員就所得替代率超過百分之百您覺得這合理嗎 |
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不合理這是為什麼我們目前在進行改革那你知道目前我們的所得替代率一路降到現在是幾%嗎現在應該是您可以再回去做了解一下他是逐年條1.5那您可以去叫你們考試院的全序部 |
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目前儘管一路要降到60%但是在60%以上其實目前這些在仍然有84年之前退休年資的公務員他所領的這些年金當中還是有相當的比例是18%的優存利息 |
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所以當替代率下降的時候他少領的就是這18%的優存利息也是引起社會爭議最大最不公平的18%的優存利息所以如果我們降到了求責替代率60%等於是讓以後現在的退休公務員他以後就不用再去受到各界的質疑說他多領了這個沒有法源依據的18%的優存利息你同意嗎同意 |
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好所以國家資源要永續所以呢因此呢下一頁我們就可以看到年金的水庫不只是在職公務員的所賴也是退休公務員公教人員的生活尊嚴所需所以在年金改革沒有誰是敵人我們都是受益人您同意嗎同意好那麼接下來呢我們就進入到今天我們要詢問的 |
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因為接下來我們看到藍白一度卡考試院的人士所以考試院提出權宜措施那因此啟動了三項國考提前請辦請教委員那麼如果您順利通過新任考委就任之後考試院有沒有對於請辦的國考進行程序上的補正有沒有需要需要需要要做哪些事情 |
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一方面就是因為現在目前我們權宜之際可能在法制上的這個程序上是你們沒有院長沒有副院長是也沒有考試委員沒有考試委員或者之前考試委員現在還有啊 |
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賴總統提名考試委員我們重視的不只是專業性還考慮到族群的分布所以這裡面提到說特別提名您就是要貼近族群需求的專業貢獻您認同賴總統這個提名的重點嗎? |
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認同好那我再請教一下先請教一個稍微有點離題的您聽過全民國防教育法吧有那你認為全民國防教育的受教育的對象是誰誰要接受全民國防教育 |
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全民很好為了讓全民對於國家的國防有共同的認知我們要由教育部所負責的全民國防教育法對全國的民眾不只學生推動全民國防教育那請問您了解一個原住民族教育法嗎了解那原住民族教育法的教育對象是誰 |
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誰要去受原住民族教育現在修法最新的修法是全民原教很好你有掌握到我們看一下第43條其實原住民族教育法第43條各級教育主管機關推動教育政策應促進全國國民認識與尊重原住民族 |
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不是只有原住民的學生才要受到原住民族教育法的對象全民包括你我都是對不對是沒錯在台灣這個族群共榮的國家跟社會每一個族群都要去理解跟尊重他族群的文化您同意嗎非常同意很好所以呢如果說這樣來說那麼你認為我們的文官是不是要對台灣各族群的文化有所認識怎麼樣來參與還是只有參與原住民測考的文官需要了解原住民文化 |
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我認為所有的文官都應該要認識原住民文化全部的文官都要不是只有參加原住民特考的文官那請問考試院下一頁我們目前有哪些文官需要認識原住民文化又做了多少 |
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目前我們是主要是在訓練方面保訓會在相關的這個訓練課堂就是說你能舉一兩個例子告訴我您在考委任內要求我們保訓會他在課程上面有讓每一位文官都接觸到原住民的文化瞭解嗎任何一個課程有沒有有 |
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現在這個第一個我們先從就是我們文官學院跟這個監察院我們有一個人權方面的包括原住民有哪一個課程是您要求提出增加進去的這些課程我們叫族群和諧與文化多元發展的專題 |
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這個專題是您要求列入的是的很好好我要的就是您身為一個總統所提名能夠代表原住民的考試委員您應該要致力於這方面的努力好不好是好那麼再下來我們看文官體系除了要培養對不同族群文化敏感度之外原住民目前在公務體系所遇到的挑戰是什麼開放體 |
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這個是因為原住民現在的挑戰是蠻多的那接下來可能就是說在服務的過程裡面怎麼樣跟主流社會可以有一個比較好的互動感覺上您的答案還是有點原則性我來自於屏東屏東是不是有很多原住民朋友是的我從那邊聽到幾個 |
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過去原住民扶公子的管道包括有警察、有醫師、有老師、有教師那時候早期有原住民警察專班也有3D醫師、醫學專修科那麼老師的部分有原住民專班我所屬那時候的屏東師專更正台東師專就原住民專班但是後來停辦改制後警察的部分改為百分之二的增額入取保障百分之二的增額入取 |
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依這個部分改成以公費一取代至於老師的原住民專班就停辦之後他由師培大學保留原住民學生名額以一定比例的原住民教師、原鄉優先聘用主任教師還有我們的所謂的保送生跟公費生是不是這樣是那你認為這樣的一個改變之後有辦法持續讓我們原住民的族人同胞得到他們自己同胞的包括醫療、教育以及治安各方面的服務嗎 |
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我覺得還是很有限很有限那您覺得要做哪一些努力您思考一下我舉一個日本的例子給你看在台灣我們有高普考跟特考分發如果是特考的話分發單位服務3到6年當事人可以申請請調到其他單位但是日本的話它有分成國家公務員跟地方公務員考上國家公務員的到國家機關任職考上地方公務員的到地方機關任職之間不得留用轉任它是雙軌制度 |
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那麼在台灣的專委單軌制度之下在遇到特考的時候會發生什麼問題單軌的話它就是在分發的時候就是比較有限就是說被侷限好 那我就舉個例子現在是不是有警察特考警察特考是只有原住民能考嗎還是大家都可以考警察特考 |
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大家都可以考但是為什麼要特考因為考上了你只能擔任警察是不是呢是但是公務員不一樣喔公務員的高普考跟地方特考還有原住民特考以地方特考跟原住民特考都一樣原住民特考必須具有一定資格身份的人才能投考是不是是考上之後他3到6年可依規定轉換到其他直系任職或其他地區服務是不是是沒錯是他有他的流通性那我請教一下那麼原住民他要 |
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如果是原住民特考底下有警察類科那你認為這個原住民考上了原住民特考當中的警察類科他以後可不可以不擔任警察6年之後轉任其他的公職 |
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這個可能性這可能還是要跟用人機關因為它是警察人員任用條例的一個法制如果將來如果是放到原名特考我覺得不可能你認為不可能是指一個猜測一個推測但是你認為怎麼樣比較好是持續的在目前的警察特考當中給予原住民報考生 |
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2%的保障名額還是直接在我們原名特考所有的考生都是具有原名註明資格的人他當中有類科考上可以當警察您傾向哪個方式假如是放在我們原名特考的話他可能就不是警察囉如果增加警察類科的話 |
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加入警察類科對 如果原住民特考增加警察類科這個部分我們也會跟其實在比較早一點前一段時間我們有跟警政署有稍微討論過但是看起來是兩種狀況看我們要達到的目的是什麼以您身為原住民的立場你覺得哪一種方式、制度比較符合原住民族的利益 |
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我在猜應該是放在原名特考裡面你用猜好那我來可以跟您分享一下好公文人員考試法第6條第2項原住民組織就業權益他可以在12345的特種考試當中只要符合資格只要6年他在6年在他申請考試辦理的機關當中或所屬的機關或範圍當中去服務就可以了換言之之後他有可能轉任警察以外的公職職務 |
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但是也可能被限制在只能在原住民地區的機關服務是不是這樣的可能性是好那我們接下來看一下其實原住民在我們政府的體系當中因為他的語言文化特殊所以過去我們政府除了一般文官在涉及到原住民相關事務需要能夠對應到原住民同胞的需求之外在一些切身的服務上比如說治安的維護事項上 |
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譬如說醫療保健的服務事項上譬如說在教育文化的提供上特別是由人來提供的服務我們特別需要警察、教師跟醫師您同意嗎同意但是我們希望有還有其他人還有其他的對所以目前我們醫師是專技高考 |
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我們的教師是教師法去考教師證只有警察是屬於公職考試對不對對所以你身為原住民的考試委員如果基於當時陳建東所提到的國中之國原住民自治的概念是不是原住民特考的考科類科應該擴充更多更廣讓更多的原住民能夠透過原住民特考來政府機關服務原住民同胞你支持這樣的 |
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方法嗎這個方向應該是是應該要往這個方向好但是時不合宇我給您看一個資料如果說我們原住民特考不包括一般的警察、內科我們看到了目前新聞每年都可以看到超過100人申請退休警專或警特生因為訓練長達一到兩年無法成立的缺口警政署是缺多少缺多但是補得少 |
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偏鄉警察缺人偏偏原鄉更需要現在遇到了我們原住民偏鄉原鄉的警察退休潮警力單薄全國一共有400億個所聯合服勤對我們原鄉地區的治安服務是一個很大的警訊您覺得要怎麼樣來解決 |
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這個應該要跟好好跟警政署就相關的人力做一個好我再給您看一個數字從2014年到2023年我們看到了全體的警察從7萬5千人到8萬6千人原住民的警察全國警察的人數在提高但是原住民警察是在下降占比呢幾乎降到了2%點多差不多快跟他的人口比例差不多接近了您怎麼去面對這個問題 |
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事實上在上一任的時候我也看到這個數字特別跟全序部要了一個統計數字我有請相關的這個也能夠把這個數據能夠跟警政署提供然後我們可以一起來把這個問題推進加快您覺得如果納入原住民特考原住民特考加考警察考科有辦法解決嗎 |
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我再給你一個提示我們努力你同意但是原住民特考的報考人數持續下降啊從過去每年有超過將近五千八百人到現在今年大概只有一千三百人為什麼參加原住民特考的原住民考生越來越少你再增加考科有用嗎什麼原因你知道嗎為什麼原住民的特考考生越來越少因為那個當然很多原因啦一個就是說一個原因就是今年開始怎麼樣要透過主語認證 |
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呃跟各位呃跟我原報告因為我這個這裡是不是原住民特考的應考規則是不是有這樣一個規定113年上路是沒有錯可是呃我不我我個人看法是沒有一不是他唯一的原因不是他唯一的原因但是一個原因好我問你現在通過原住民足以認證的學的人多數的年齡分目在哪裡給你看多數的是在學的學生 |
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所以換言之現在已經到了就業年齡的很多人他並沒有具備足以認證可是反過來說過了幾年等到這些有足以認證的學生長大成人可以就業了他來投考原住民特考的人數就有會增加了是不是是沒錯所以你要提早做準備底下三個結論讓您參考第一您是否應該跟行政院共同研究在原住民特考加班一班行政警察的考科同意嗎 |
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是否通盤考慮原住民特考的缺額? |
| IVOD_ID |
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| IVOD_URL |
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| 日期 |
2024-12-06 |
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2024-12-06T17:42:55+08:00 |
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2024-12-06T18:03:52+08:00 |
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