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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
16:40:24 - 17:00:53 |
| 影片長度 |
1229 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-06T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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兩群發言 敬愛的院會主席、江副院長、被提名者以及我們各位同仁、新聞界的朋友首先邀請被提名者 |
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委員好你好提名者剛剛在你的自我說明介紹當中本席也聽到了你的用心你也參與過了很多過去你在原民會擔任職務的時候參與了推動許多與原民民族相關的這個政策跟改革 |
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但是在你的說明當中也就是目前政府在做的這個機制包括了我本席非常重視的新年的原住民要怎麼樣讓他能夠加入在我們整個公務的體系因為我們非常的清楚知道在整個文官人才的這個部分我們要怎麼樣達到永續 |
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以及穩定穩健的這個人數我想這是目前考試院非常重要的一個課題那所以在這樣的情況之下為什麼我們原住民的特考他最重要的困境是人數參與者越來越少而且他的比例占比在我們整個國家的體系來講我們只有一點多% |
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換句話說這個比例根本不足以來服務我們原住民的現象所以在這樣的一個基礎下本席再提一個背景在我們升格為直轄市之後原住民的朋友他講的一句話讓我終生難忘而且非常深刻 |
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當時為了一些建設大家在做討論結果一個原住民的朋友告訴我因為我們直轄市的區長是要用指派他不用選的直轄市那比如說台中市我們有和平區 |
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那比如說高雄也有三個納瑪夏、茂林以及這個桃園都是那新北也有烏來等等的桃園更有復興鄉那這個直轄市裡頭的原住民區那他原本也是用直派但是這個朋友告訴我一句話我們要的你不給我我們要的你不給我你們給我的我們不需要 |
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我想被提名者你頻頻點頭跟微笑這個是心聲所以當時我們立即有行動怎麼做呢我們立即行動修改了法律也就是在直轄市裡的原住民區我們仍舊區長用選的當然選了之後你必須還要有民意機關所以代表會還要選 |
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當然我們還有一個討論的方向就是說原住民區的區長是要以原住民身份為主但是代表會的主席就不一定因為我們還是要有大融合的這個概念到目前為止執行是如此 |
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那本席之所以講這個背景也就是剛剛你在報告當中你說明得很清楚目前做了什麼但是本校跟你討論的是目前雖然你們這麼努力的在做但是答案是不盡理想的他的參與特考的人數是減少 |
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他得到的參與工作的比例也是不成比例所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請教未來有機會的時候你如何來確保原住民特考制度的公平性跟透明性真正有作為具體的去改革這些計畫來提升整個功能跟效能請做說明 |
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謝謝委員對原民參政權如此的關心而且也是確實在當時我們聽到很多族人的反應我們希望可以選出我們自己的族人作為我們的區長或鄉長還好有做了這樣的一個調整非常感謝委員的 |
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本席希望聽到你具體的建議﹖而不是敘述目前在做什麼﹖ |
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這一些的軌跡我們都非常關心也非常了解本儀希望聽到你具體的建議請做說明在上一任我在考試院的時候我就特別跟我的考選部就是特別跟他們 |
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報考原住民的人數逐漸下降這件事情是探討一些原因是什麼樣的原因那第二個就是說我們如何去提升或去鼓勵我們的原住民青年可以報考國家考試所以我們即便是在疫情當中我們都在一個可行的一個時間去 |
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教育部的原住民資源中心他們有北中南東他是跨區的原住民大專學生的一個組織我們就透過這樣的一個組織帶著我們考選部還有我們不好意思再度插斷你的話因為你還是在敘述故事 |
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講述過程本席是希望聽到你具體的建議因為您現在所說的跟第一趴本席的提問回答都一樣都是在目前執行之本席希望以下的回答希望聽到你具體的建議就成了為什麼我本席特別提出我們在直轄市一旦發生了我要給你的你不要 |
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我要的你不給我所以我們具體行動將選務的方式去改變到目前為止執行尚可我們還嚴肅的在看待這才是真正的來照顧原住民的朋友接下來本期要跟你討論的也就是說我們一直很強調語言如果不見了就沒有辦法溝通 |
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所以原住民的文化跟語言的考試納入這個是本席非常非常關注的你致力於主語的振興與文化的教育的推動這是你非常資深的所以本席要請問 |
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原住民的語言跟文化希望能夠更加的融合在相關的公務人員的考試制度當中來增強對族群的一個需求跟回應但是本席認為如果只有在考試加入那麼要怎麼樣去推動如何的去推動 |
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因為我們必須要有配套本期希望聽到你的論述請做說明謝謝委員現在目前原住民考試他有一個足以認證的一個應考條件就是說在語法法通過以後他就要求所有報考原名特考的這個應考人他要有初級的 |
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這個也就是本席直接跟你討論 |
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剛才本席說的如果只有加注語言的項目在他必要條件的制度裡頭的一個因子但是你要如何的去推動你要如何的去推動這才是重點 請說明 |
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因為現在目前我們是在考試的應考人的條件已經受了這樣的一個要求那接下來可能就是說他在服務的過程可能還是要用族語服務他的族人所以我們在相關的在公務體系裡面也有要求我們的原住民公務人員也能夠有一個族語能力的 |
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可以讓他在他服務的機關裡面﹐通過更高級的主語認證那這樣的話﹐其實他在服務他的主任﹐會能夠貼近主任的一個需求﹐也比較能夠瞭解更高級的一個主語認證﹐所以本協還是希望在這一點﹐我們雖然加入了這個主語的認證﹐在考試的這個必要條件﹐ |
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但是仍舊希望在進入之後要怎麼推動相關的配套要怎麼做本席認為這才是重點也希望多以著墨這個方向接下來本校要請教考試院對於整個多元族群的友善 |
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的一個改革這個非常的重要考試院你要如何在整個文官的招募考核跟訓練中來落實整個多元文化的一個包容那麼你認為必須缺口在哪裡可以怎麼樣加入這樣子的一個方向對我們原住民的族群能夠民主可以更加的達到友善的這個程度請做說明 |
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首先就是在考試科目裡頭我們有放了原住民主政策從一等到五等我們都有相關的一些考科原住民主文學、原住民主文化、原住民主歷史我們都有包含在裡面那另外在保訓會訓練的部分訓練裡面最主要有基礎訓練跟升官等的一個訓練我們都有把相關的內容都含在裡面就是說包括人權 |
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多元文化甚至新住民等等的議題我們都有放在我們的培訓課程裡面這個部分本席還是希望因為您也參與其中很久推動很多但是本席還是要反推我們目前的結果論是特考的人數減少我們目前依照你們的方式 |
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委員會主席 |
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所以我仍舊希望再去研議你在保訓方面可以怎麼樣再加強這一點是我覺得我們今天在做討論的時候希望聽到論述跟論點的而不是一再的在講述故事講述目前的執行那接下來我要再請教生養友善的環境這非常的重要陳如妮剛才說的針對於新住民新住民都是我們的家人 |
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那也幫助了我們的家庭非常的大我們都要愛她那包括了我們有一些原住民民主的女性特殊需求那這些情況有的她住在偏鄉有的她單親有的隔代教養有這樣的情況那我們要怎麼樣來有支持的這些措施 |
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因為好不容易有我們的這個民主族群如果我們沒有保護他他的困難我們沒有協助他那你根本不可能有怎麼樣的發揚光大不可能你要先解決他的問題讓他安心有靠山這是政府必須要做的所以本席再請教其中在公務體系當中推動我們整個原住民族女性特殊需求你認為還可以加速哪一些的制度 |
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請做說明謝謝委員這次提到友善生養環境特別關注這個議題是確實看到我們女性在公務體系更辛苦因為她又要生育又要照顧家庭我們就在這一個相關的生育環境的制度上我們去怎麼樣去協助他們 |
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譬如說從育嬰假來說育嬰假我們不希望只有女性去承擔應該要這個是我們在立法院三讀通過也就是爸爸也可以請育嬰假去做調配而且我們還告訴雇主因為原本是女性嘛現在我們是男性也可以兩性均權那這個 |
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這個被提名者本席還是告訴你本席希望聽到你的論述而不是立法院通過的現在在執行因為他就是不夠不夠友善所以希望聽到你的建言是跟我原報告因為在相關的這個制度上的一個設計我們修訂了這個服務法、任用法、升遷法跟我們 |
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對 因為這個部分都涉及到如果他請假或者是說他擔心他去議應以後他能不能回到他原來的工作這個就是在任用法裡面要去訂定的所以這個在我們的法條裡頭也有命定但是我們是在監管當我們法案通過之後要執行我們代表還會去看他的執行成效是如何所以我一樣 |
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在善意的跟你討論我希望聽到你的論點你從頭到尾都只有告訴我目前的執行這不是我本期要聽的因為你是一個被提名者我們希望你現在不是考試委員那目前社會的面向我們告訴你所以希望你有你的論點你的建言你的做法 |
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這個才能夠深得大家的同意啊你不是目前政府的一個闡述者、描述者不是所以接下來我要跟你討論的是應對數位化挑戰的準備因為我們知道現在AI的社會那數位化是全球的時勢所需 |
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但是隨著考試制度的數位轉型你認為在我們的原住民民主的地區裡頭考生我不忍心的說在整個考生他在數位資源的普及度他比較弱勢 |
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那在這樣的情況之下為了要讓他們也能夠公平的來參與考試那我們有什麼樣的作為呢能夠協助在這樣子資訊資源不對等的情況之下我們要怎麼樣協助比如說我們是不是可以來用一個遠距考試的方式還是怎麼樣去彌補它不足的地方請做說明 |
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謝謝委員這個數位落差確實是我們在考試院特別就是在討論這些工作的時候我們有特別去建議考選部要注意這方面的一個發展因為我們現在當然還沒有考慮到要用遠距的方式來考試但是呢我們有分區就是說如果接近比較多原名的 |
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本席歡迎聽到你看到了問題但是目前還沒有方法那所以我也非常的希望你在這一方面要多於琢磨我們要真正的有行動來幫助我們的原住民本席再舉一個例像我們的口譯老師非常的辛苦 |
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他全國跑這個老師太辛苦了那怎麼樣讓他能夠安心這個也是我們務必要去做的所以我們希望真正用行動來協助特別在數位方面在整個資源落差偏鄉這些的方式我們要怎麼樣去協助我也希望未來能夠聽到你的方案 |
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那麼考試院裡頭呢針對於我們最近大家討論的非常精彩而且豐富民主國家本來就是各自有各自的論點在我們的年金改革當中 |
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我們大家都一致說明希望要能夠真正的這個退伏基金是要真正的能夠來照顧退休者的生活那突然間來了一個年金改革現在更要說每年的所得替代率要減少1.5% |
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但是我們看到中高齡的這個CPI的一個指標他已經比一般平均值全國的平均值他的需求更高比如說主計總署最近所做出來中高年齡層代CPI的增長是2.8%一般的只有2.5%所以換句話說中高齡就是這些退休者他的生活的支出因為通膨的關係越來越多當然不只是食材 |
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他要健康他當然要吃吃嘛接下來就是身體的保養他的醫療支出所以這些我們也再請黨委去考慮把這些的中綱領的必要因子應該納入在裡頭 |
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四年一次的CPI的平均值再來多調整本席認為這個不符合目前通膨的這個進度所以我們建議是兩年不要達到四年所以本席要具體的請教你認為所得替代率逐年的遞減到目前是政府跟公務人員他的一個約定誠信你認為是不是應該要停止調降所得替代率 |
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我想這個年金改革是我們整個國家的這個年金的整個制度的就你的立場看法我想這個最近我們的了解是假如我們 |
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主席主席 |
| IVOD_ID |
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| IVOD_URL |
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| 日期 |
2024-12-06 |
| 影片種類 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-06T16:40:24+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-06T17:00:53+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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