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| 委員名稱 |
林國成 |
| 委員發言時間 |
15:01:13 - 15:21:52 |
| 影片長度 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-06T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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好 謝謝主席 請我們黃貝提名人請黃貝提名人阿信委員好黃貝提名人其實我個人對黃貝提名人我是授課課的我對你了解列之一二 |
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但是經過本席：不但我的認知：我還去請教左右鄰舍：親朋好友對於你的認知基本上跟我的認知完全都是一致第一做人處事以及你對協助的執著以及對黨派的中立 |
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總總綜合起來我認為你當考試委員未來當考試委員是確確實實是很適當的但是在這裡雖為受過課但是公歸公、私歸私該問的還是要問但是一 |
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一席則一優為什麼一席則一優席的是我曾經授課的老師被社會、被總統肯定而來提名優的是我認為考試院舊有的體制已經非常久未有創新的改變所以我擔心啊 |
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考試院本來就是合一制不是一個考試委員或者一個院長他就可以左右整個事情的大方向所以一席席的是恭喜老師被總統提名優的就是說老師雖有理想雖有抱負但是假設我們本院通過以後成為考試委員的時候我很擔心 |
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只有理想只有報復但是這裏面何以治你有志難生那個時候博彩港灣在你倒撇所以我是覺得這樣我是覺得這樣那 |
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現在已經被提名那當然未來你如何去做也要聽聽我們被提名人你對於立法院跟全國人民如何去扮演這個角色那當然因為我知道 |
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我們黃碧提名人在政大的時候你從當教授的時候你就非常注意長期關注政府未來一定要數位化 |
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那這個數位化是未來歧視啊所以你不得啊非常關注那這些東西我要聽聽我們黃配提名人你認為這個你在協助的時候是這種觀念 |
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當了考試委員以後能不能把你這些專業跟你的理想帶進來如何去把這些文官體制的數位去把它做好或者去把它做得更完整這點我希望 |
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王提名人能夠說明一下好不好感謝委員的這個鼓勵跟取喜還有支持那這個當然到這樣的一個提名的階段我當然也是誠惶誠恐就如委員剛所提到的考試院是一個合議制那當然我會如果有機會成為考試委員我會盡我的全力就是把過去的 |
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我希望在未來如果有機會到考試院的話我希望能夠把它打造成一個非常具有這個創新的智慧化的一個人力的這個資源發展的一個 |
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高效能的團隊那我想作為考試院他就是說在這個整個政府的運作裡面他是一個人力資源的一個推動的火車頭所以他如果自己沒有做好的話那大概也很難能夠帶動我們的公務的部門所以第一個就是說在考選在全序在保在這個培訓的部分我都有一些的想法 |
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在考選的部分我剛才也稍微帶過未來能夠在事務的部分考試因為目前有很多的考試都已經電腦化我們因應新世代的需求所以在考試的業務的部分我們更能夠與時俱進在全序的部分未來我想全序部它有很多的 |
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主席主席主席 |
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Iwan Nawi為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．邱文彥、Iwan NawiIwan Nawi |
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主要的決定就是說我們的決策不是憑空想像的而是要有資料作為基礎那全序部這邊其實累積了很長的公務界的同仁的資料那在培訓的部分那剛剛已經有提過我們目前已經有針對這個不同的不同的職級不同的訓練都已經有開售了很多的課程比如說最新的是用AI來學英文 |
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未來是不是我們也可以評估一下像這個AR跟VR的這些新的科技要怎麼樣引進到我們的培訓課程裡面據我的了解目前國內已經有少數的訓練機關他們已經有引進這種沉浸式的或者AR、VR的這種 |
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Iwan Nawi是一名科學研究科學研究科研究科研究科 |
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Iwan Nawi為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長．許舒翔為考試院第十四屆院長． |
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其實因為我蠻期待的因為過去考試委員當然有他的專精可是在這個數位化公門機關數位化就幾例來講我在看所有的政府裡面臺北市政府的依化 |
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以及數位他是做得最精密的包括連任何人就簽個名報到沒有在那邊簽名簿沒有是在他手機就可以直接簽名他也知道你今天有上班沒上班這些東西是有必要但是有一點我必須要跟黃提名的人做一個說明還是多數公務人員是不會打電腦的 |
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所以這些我認為你們在整個考試院在制定這些公務人員考過了以後在做訓練的時候這個應該是一個重點工作所以我特別提醒啊我們這個黃提名人這個部分可能要用心去做引導去做爭取這樣的話才會能夠把這個數位化政府化 |
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把他做好所以這點我們還是蠻啟齊我們黃提名人在這個部分你要用你的學術專長去爭取到未來的政府數位化這樣才不會前功盡棄這一點我特別提醒我們黃提名人謝謝另外一個就比較敏感當然就你了解的你就做回答 |
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也就是我們現在公部門霸凌的問題這個問題到底是公務人員的問題或者領導的問題或者一個體制的問題我不曉得你的看法是什麼 |
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謝謝我想這個問題的原因非常多那我覺得整個來講是一個意識的問題就是對於這個人跟人之間的互動還有對於別人的這種侵犯因為在法律上這個 |
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我其實滿痛心看到這次勞動部的事件那另外在很多的部會也有很多的高階文官 |
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就因為在這個跟部署開會的過程裡面有一些不當的發言然後就重見下馬那當然這個能夠從進到公部門能夠升到十二職等這個其實是一個非常長的過程我坦白跟你講我們都是從基層來啦能夠當到立法委員從基層來啦一個公務人員 |
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憑良心講霸凌這兩個字任何一個法令沒有辦法去保護他這是第一個第二個勞工還有職安法但是公務人員沒有 |
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所以只有一個公務人員服務法當初也沒有在這個公務人員服務法你們在修或你們建議修的時候根本也沒有做這個規範啊所以在這個部分在這個部分我個人的遣件是提供給黃提名人 |
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有沒有可能你們盡快刻不容緩趕快制定公務人員不管你做什麼法什麼公務人員保護法或公務人員這個這個這個霸凌制什麼管制辦法我們不管但是公務人員不要現在的問題是出現到什麼我坦白講政務官也好 |
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一級主管也好他們根本現在就是什麼根本不了解文官制度的三分尊重嘛如果他知道怎麼會叫他加班呢加班是自動自發來加班不是你長官叫我怎麼加班問題出在這裡啊就有霸凌的問題啊所以我建議啦我建議就給黃提名人做一個參考 |
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科程體制這是有必然改的還有考機制度是有必然改的還有該制定新滑器做規範這樣才能一勞永逸去把這個問題解決所以我還是希望黃提名人能夠聽得進去我們的建議未來談到這個問題的時候我希望你也可以替 |
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基層公務人員發表一些他們需求的這些制定的法令另外我也是建議這樣可以比較這些勞動的檢查或者建立我們公務人員的另外一個管理辦法或者制定公務人員的一個裝潢 |
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寫得清清楚楚什麼範圍是霸凌什麼不是霸凌這講得很清楚當然公務人員要去服從啦但是你服從不是為了烤雞然後就動不動就是有霸凌之嫌嘛沒有必要所以我希望這一點我也希望我們黃提名人能夠把這個意見帶回去好那我現在又要請教黃提名人 |
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現在真的啊公務人員是替本話我就感覺到很奇怪啊現在臨業季從商都不願意去考高普考每一年還有高普考考上以後欸年紀輕輕欸30歲他說我不幹了公務人員我不幹了對不對所以這個問題你知道出在哪裡嗎 |
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我想就是現在的世代他們的價值跟我們這個世代的可能都不太一樣所以我們的法令我們的法令一定要定那我也知道我也知道 |
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考試院是合一致所以合一致當然只要有人發聲這個聲音就會出來那引起公務人員共鳴你們不得不做所以我還是希望啦齁我還是希望就是在這個部分真的是一個問題弄到最後真的都沒有人去考高普考欸 那考高普考欸不一定我們在座各位你是要有高普考通過我民意代表不一定考得過的 |
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所以這個是很難的這個是很難所以這些人才不投入就是代表我們制度有問題他的前途是有問題那我在看就是什麼公務人員年改以後這多少會影響的多少會影響但是這些我們就必須一定要去注意 |
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鼓勵每一個願意為老百姓服務的公務人員他們都來普考離職率也不要那麼高另外一個因為時間的關係我再請問我們黃提名人比較敏感的 |
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公務人員我不曉得政府在怕他們組公會幹什麼教書組公會他限定不能罷工嘛公會不是只有罷工兩個字啊公會是在職安方面、勞安方面、權力方面去保障不是只有罷工啦所以我就不曉得我們政府為什麼那麼怕公會成立 |
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幾例教師公會他也成立可是限制不能罷工公務人員你要成立那就要看我就不能讓你罷工罷工錢不要放下去什麼權利他來保障有什麼關係尤其比較敏感的錦囂成立公會黃提名人你有什麼看法 |
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我想有關於這個公務人員也好：或者警消組工會的這個部分據我的瞭解那考試院這邊在今年已經有一個協會法的草案送到大院裡面來那當然我們可以去盤點一下就是說這個協會法跟工會 |
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Iwan Nawi Iwan Nawi |
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你是開放 你也認同 |
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1032.686 |
| transcript.whisperx[45].text |
就是說未來其實我的意思是說就是說對於未來要不要組工會這個我是開放但是就目前來講我是覺得是不是就先從協會法這邊開始就是把這個修訂做得更周延然後先試行一段時間如果有必要 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].start |
1033.346 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].end |
1060.669 |
| transcript.whisperx[46].text |
原則性未以籌謀把他更細緻的規劃是有必要不要一看到主公會就好像紅手猛獸這個也沒有必要那這些當然因為尤其我們考試院扮演非常重要的因為文官體制都是從你們這裡出來所以也沒有那麼恐怖說實在的主公會你只要不要讓他有罷免錢 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].start |
1061.61 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].end |
1087.403 |
| transcript.whisperx[47].text |
那你那個罷工錢那你很簡單啊你就是他的職安問題他的勞動權的問題有所規範那公務人員當然有公務人員一定的準則這個我們當然是尊重可是我們要希望我們考試院不要站在一種好像把主公會當成紅手悶臭 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].start |
1089.004 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].end |
1101.885 |
| transcript.whisperx[48].text |
這個我還是蠻希望我們黃提名人能夠瞭解基層之聲音公務人員不是說說快一點我考到公務人員不管是五等級、幾等級就是要讓你們求護的喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].start |
1105.969 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].end |
1130.608 |
| transcript.whisperx[49].text |
所以不是這樣公務人員還是要有尊嚴如果有尊嚴然後他當然就要就公務人員服務辦法裡面的課禁職守嘛所以不要怕好最後一個我特別要提醒我們黃提名人我們大家現在大家都在爭議嘛就是連改公務人員連改他已經五年了 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].start |
1131.411 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].end |
1155.175 |
| transcript.whisperx[50].text |
那過去五年前據我了解我們考試院是有把最低的門檻也就是每年1.5降降降降它是你們的規劃是70%你們的所有資料你們去調一下70%可是現在問題在哪邊現在已經降到67.5%了欸 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].start |
1159.178 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].end |
1187.544 |
| transcript.whisperx[51].text |
所以你看連這些門檻都沒有請問一下對這些公務人員他怎麼會有誘因呢所以我不曉得你針對這些為什麼你們檢查你們的考試院你們是規定70就不能再降這個是合理的保障但是現在已經降到67%了再降下去就65%一直降一直降 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].start |
1188.604 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].end |
1214.274 |
| transcript.whisperx[52].text |
公務人員啊 人家保險是這樣齁越牢零越多 他不是 他越牢零越少這違背這整個保障之原則都不要去談那個什麼信賴保護的問題啦信賴保護的 說那些賤婦拔鼠叫的都NN的做一遍來18%我們贊成但是現在已經沒有這個制度了嘛我不曉得你對這些回去了解一下 有機會 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].start |
1216.115 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].end |
1233.502 |
| transcript.whisperx[53].text |
幫老百姓講話的時候你還是要講一些公道話好不好好感謝委員那我想有關這個年金改革的部分當然目前來講循序部這邊已經有做一個精算那我們未來就是在永續跟公平的情況之下我們盡量來幫好謝謝林委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
158006 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/158006 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-06 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-06T15:01:13+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-06T15:21:52+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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