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| 委員名稱 |
楊瓊瓔 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:40:33 - 15:01:05 |
| 影片長度 |
1232 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-06T14:30:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
第11屆第2會期第1次全院委員會（事由：總統咨，為考試院第十三屆院長、副院長及考試委員任期於113年8月31日屆滿，茲依據憲法增修條文第6條第2項規定，提名周弘憲為考試院第十四屆院長，許舒翔為考試院第十四屆副院長，邱文彥、鄧家基、王秀紅、呂秋慧、柯麗鈴、黃東益、伊萬．納威Iwan Nawi 7位為考試院第十四屆考試委員，咨請同意案。） |
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謝謝院會主席、江副院長、我們被提名人、新聞界的朋友以及各位同仁大家午安,仰求您發言首先邀請我們提名人請黃被提名人委員好 |
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提名良好剛剛聽到你的說明當中你似乎認為目前的樣態還有很多改進的空間提升的空間所以我們實質來討論也就是年金改革與退伍基金目前的年金改革已經在執行當中但是我們看到改了這一段時間除了信用破產 |
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原先的約定他挑戰了但是改了之後更有財務壓力跟公平性的一個競爭在這樣情況之下你如何看待考試院在後續退伏基金管理跟政策的調整的角色你有什麼具體的建議你認為如何的能夠平衡整個年金的改革的永續性跟退休工人的基本保障請說說明 |
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謝謝委員的提問我想這個我們這個退伏基金的這個運作還有我們整個退伏制度的運作已經從上次的改革到現在已經有五年了那據我的了解最近全序部這邊也針對過去執行的一些的績效提出 |
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一切初步的報告那就我的了解就是目前我們這個退股新制它是有完成了幾項的一個目標包括我們把這個原來可能在119年可能就破產的基金那能夠把它延長到140年那第二個是我們的負債也減少了 |
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還有一個就是我們在基金的水位他也增加了當然這些都是目前看到的一些的成果據我的了解我們目前有一些我們的公務退休的同仁他們有提出這樣的一個呼籲是不是在從今年或者從去年開始就把這個 |
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這位就是重點 |
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也就是從原先他好不容易為什麼當時他會選擇公務人員因為考公務人員沒有限制只要你條件夠你任何一個人條件夠都可以來考試他選擇這個目的很多人就希望他在退休之後可以得到一個安定安穩的生活但是改革了之後把原先的所得替代率他每一年逐年的來遞減要遞減1.5%這樣子對於我們的整個公務體系來講 |
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退休人員來講似乎是非常的不公平因為加上目前的通膨連主計總處所做的CPI﹐跟中高年齡的CPI指數的提升由一般性質的2.5 |
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到中高年齡是2.8所以換句話說退休的人都是在這個中高年齡層裡頭那要怎麼樣去協助他們就誠如你剛才說的也就是說他是有討論的空間本席也提案應該要有信用人而物信不知其可制度更是重要人民 |
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這個政府跟人民的信賴保護原則我想這是唯一民主真諦最重要的所以因此所得替代率在立法院現在有很多的討論我們似乎認為突然要每一年的遞減這對我們的公務人員、退休者來講是非常的不公平所以也希望未來你有機會你應該要去討論這樣子的一個方向 |
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這個方向也就是一定要保障公務人員退休者的基本生活同意嗎同意而且加注一個也就是我們現在中高年齡他的醫療支出是多因為在我們的整個平均移民不健康的平均移民裡頭是全世界最高 |
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有達到8年在這樣的一個情況他的付出一定會更多所以包括了醫療支出的這個部分應該要納入在整體的一個考量才能夠真正的達到讓這個退休者得到一個安定安穩的生活你認同嗎 |
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我想我認同那當然我們要考慮到就是財務的永續性你認同那當然財務的永續性也就是看政府的能耐而不是只有取決於退休的公務人員來達到財務的一個完整性我想這不是一個正面的一個做法也請你三思接下來本期要請教考試院的工人跟改革有些人 |
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主張要縮減甚至有主張要廢除為什麼會有這樣的現象你的看法呢 |
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我覺得可能是我們很多民眾也好或者是不同部門的朋友的誤解事實上以我目前考試院來看我們考試院所屬有三個部會考選部、權序部跟保訓會他們都負責各自不同非常重要的業務以考試院來講我們每年辦理100多個考試 |
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提名人你的說明是依照目前的樣態在走但是本席告訴你的是說民間的反應已經有第一個要縮減的這個方向第二個甚至有討論到要廢除所以也表示民眾有這個聲音表示目前的現象 |
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制度一定有改善的空間有討論的空間對不對所以你點頭了之後本席要跟你討論的也就你剛才說的你希望運用你在數位累積的經驗所以本席要請教因為 |
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我們目前為止的全球化以及數位化的趨勢要怎麼樣能夠跟世界接軌跟我們國內的整個體系能夠接軌我想公務人員佔了一個非常重要的角色也就是在他的專業性跟時代的適應性是非常的重要尤其現在AI的時代那麼你 |
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如果你有機會來任這個職務的時候你認為未來在業務方面有哪些需要優化的呢請做說明謝謝委員提出這個非常前瞻的問題有關於AI的引進事實上 |
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在政府各個部門都積極地在試用當中如果未來有機會到考試院在AI應用方面在考選的部分 |
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我們現在有提庫提庫的一些的調教我們可以透過AI來做一些的處理那另外一個就是我們同仁們平常業務的這些運作我們可以透過AI來幫同仁省掉很多的工夫不需要過勞的情況那第三個當然還有很多就是對未來的一些的想像比如說我們未來有沒有可能 |
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Iwan Nawi 發展到一定的技術成熟的時候Iwan Nawi 請AI來幫忙一起越卷Iwan Nawi 當然不是由他們來做最後的決定Iwan Nawi 最後還是要由越卷的老師來做決定Iwan Nawi 但是在之前我們可不可以先做類似助手的工作Iwan Nawi 當然我們還有培訓的部分 |
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文管學院已經有很多AI相關課程透過數位治理或AI工作方的方式根據不同的層級我們現在的課程包括公務人員基礎訓練還有衛生健、健身檢的各種不同訓練一年有1萬多個訓練人次 |
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所以這樣的一個培訓我想可以幫助我們公務的同仁不管是新進的同仁也好或者是比較資深的同仁協助他們培養一些基礎能力或者在不同層級比如說我們如果要擔任檢任官 |
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或許在AI的部分他必須要去營造一個AI可以發展的環境所以在不同層級裡面應該有不同職能的設定我們根據這樣一個設定去規劃一些新的課程 |
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那當然這個AI在某些的部分都還不是那麼樣的成熟所以據我的了解考試院他們現在也有一個叫做AI的使用的辦法的注意事項所以我想 |
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這些都是過去在考試院裡面有做的部分那未來如果我有機會到考試院的話我希望能夠把考試院打造成一個低流的這個智能或者是智慧化的人力資源的一個機構好 那這個提名人你所說的也就是在整個不管是題庫 |
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主席主席主席 |
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讓我們的這個文化體系或者是行政體系都能夠跟世界來接軌達到這個效能那接下來本期要請教的也就是說考試院跟人事政策的公平性你要如何的來確保 |
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確保國家考試設計的一個公平性特別是在社經的背景族群的一個多樣化跟性別的平等方面尤其考試制度當中對於偏遠的地區或者是特殊需求特殊需求的群組的考量你有什麼樣的一個建議具體建議因為大家都希望它是一個公平性的它是一個需求度可以達到的 |
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請做說明謝謝委員提問那我想我們考試制度運作了幾十年那其實受到我們一般社會大眾的一個信任我想這個是在全世界非常獨特的一個機構所以它的很多的傳統我們都必須要保持那比如說我們委員剛剛所提到的 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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對於新住民的行政的處理這方面有更專業的人才因為這一點我們談到了有聚焦因為新住民的部分也就是本席所說的特殊需求群體的重要性新住民都是我們的家人 |
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他為這個社會也貢獻非常的多目前全國將近有70萬人光光台中市我們就將近要有7萬人而且每一年逐年在增加這一個需求是必要的是非常的重要本期很希望針對這一塊也就是特殊需求群體的這個部分要好好的去研議接下來本期要跟您討論的是政治中立跟制度公平 |
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我想這個是擔任一個考試委員、考試院非常重要的一個精神指標對不對你認同了之後本席要請教你那麼如果你擔任了之後你要怎麼樣保持高度的重力以及避免政黨的一個干涉尤其要怎麼樣保持你個人的公信力以避免院內決策的一個公正性請做說明謝謝委員 |
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其實我從1998年回到國內來服務之後我一直都是超越黨派都是以專業性的服務所以過去在很多的政府服務也都是不看黨派而是從國家的整體的利益做一個比較超然的一些 |
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政府的服務那未來當然這個如果有這個能夠得到大院的支持能夠到考試院那考試委員的職責更要超越黨派那我們現在除了這個考試委員的這個角色的扮演之外呢我想在考試院的其中一個職責就是要推動行政中立所以我們有行政中立法那在 |
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各個不同的訓練的課程裡面我們也都有做這樣的就是在目前文官學院裡面也都有這樣的一個訓練的課程還有因為這個保訓會是要確保行政中立的一個機關所以我看到在很多的機關裡面它的一些比如說告示牌也好或者是海報 |
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等都有做文官中立的訓練當然我們隨著新的科技的發展現在有很多年輕的朋友他們都會使用社群媒體所以未來就是說在如果有機會到考試院的話我們也希望可以跟文官學院這邊合作能夠把這個 |
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文官中立的一些的思維或者是一些制度的建構能夠透過一些新的媒體讓我們新的世代能夠了解我想我們能夠走到文官中立這一步其實是走了很長一段路那因為這個公務人員行政中立法也是不久之前才 |
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主席主席主席 |
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能夠落實我相信這一點也是彌裕的心聲提供給你來做參考未來你有什麼方案可以具體更加的落實從如你剛才所說的在這個保訓會裡頭的課程要怎麼樣讓他從觀念可以去達到因為你觀念如果沒有通怎麼樣都不可能落實 |
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所以這一點也希望要多做琢磨．達到一個公平性接下來本席也就是中國國民黨我也是中國國民黨的議員我們特別關心的也就是基層人力的問題我們看到現在公務人員的考試似乎他是在遞減參加的人數是在遞減那我們覺得以前都說這是替本務啊為什麼會有如此我們要好好的去研討 |
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也就是基層的公務人員的人力流失跟工作負擔沉重的現象你認為考試院應該要可以怎麼樣的來改善那麼是不是要重新的來檢視公務人員的薪資結構跟他的福利體系來吸引更多優秀的人才能夠來加入公務人員的體系因為現在的社會面向跟以往不一樣尤其大家都是上班族你整個辦活動 |
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必須要在假日尤其是這個週末禮拜六禮拜天休息的時候才會大型的活動因為所有人民都在工作只有在六日但是反推公務人員變成他禮拜一到禮拜五上班禮拜六到禮拜天他要辦活動各個區22個縣市大家都是如此 |
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主席主席主席 |
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Iwan Nawi Iwan Nawi |
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Iwan Nawi 曾經擔任副院副院長：曹楊,曾經擔任副院長：曹楊,曾經擔任副院長：曹楊 |
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對於人跟人之間的這個尊重的意識那除了這個之外呢我們可能未來盡量不要提到說這個是一個飯碗的工作鐵飯碗因為我覺得這個文官本身他應該不只是在做一個鐵飯碗的工作或者是公僕而是他是一個公共利益的守護者他也是公共價值的創造者我們要怎麼樣看看在各個不同的方面 |
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讓文官的這個工作讓公務員這個工作產生價值而不只是你現在回答的就是重點是 |
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由原先的認為非常的榮耀而且非常的有價值到現在有一點膽怯而且工作量的這個負擔是非常的大所以本期還沒有聽到你也非常的了解這一些現象要怎麼樣具體去建立陳如你剛才說的勞動部發生了這個事情一個政府竟然在檢討的過程當中關關相護 |
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甚至來一個目的良善都已經造成這麼大的傷害還目的良善現在重啟調查這個不是一個有違的政府應該有的現象而且是很落差的有路了 |
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所謂的友善職場所以本席就希望聽到你認為在目前公務體系當中這個霸凌事件要怎麼樣讓他能夠有精進呢不能再被霸凌了我想 |
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就考試院職權來講我們現在有公務人員保障法公務人員安全及衛生防護辦法我想我們的院長被提名在第一天在尋找的時候他已經有承諾這個部分要在 |
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必須要全面去檢討因為目前的法規已經沒有辦法符合目前的所需而且霸凌的事件一直陳出、一直出這是我們非常難過的事情所以不能有這樣的現象 |
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| 日期 |
2024-12-06 |
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| 開始時間 |
2024-12-06T14:40:33+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-06T15:01:05+08:00 |
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