| IVOD_ID |
15800 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15800 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-22-7 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
7 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
22 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
教育及文化委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-11T08:30:30+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-11T12:21:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
03:50:30 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/3832c314c43c373df7460912bad191e990a0be61fea148183be8d109af184be4242f79c001bc0d545ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-11T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期教育及文化委員會第7次全體委員會議（事由：邀請國家科學及技術委員會列席就「國家科技發展策略與布局」進行專題報告，並備質詢。（4月10日及11日二天一次會）） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
| 委員發言時間 |
08:30:30 - 12:21:00 |
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報告委員會．現在繼續開會．今天的議程是邀請國家科學及技術委員會．列席就國家科技發展策略與布局．來進行專案報告．並備質詢那首先我們來介紹在場的委員．我們看到彭孟楷委員 |
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讓我們來介紹與會的官員我們國科會副主委委員林敏聰副主委還有我們副執行秘書林明仁副執行秘書我們現在就來邀請我們林副主委來進行報告報告時間6分鐘 |
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主席．各位委員先進．大家早安．今天承蒙大院教育及文化委員會．安排就國家科技發展策略與布局．進行報告．進行各位委員會與指導．我國面臨科技社會經濟環境．與政治各項科技發展的趨勢及挑戰．在社會面我國人口結構持續呈現高齡化． |
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需推動具包容精神的適當科技．在科技面．我國以前瞻創新民主包容．韌性永續之2035科技發展願景．透過前瞻跨領域科技探索及整合．建立優先發展技術及創新應用領域．在經濟方面． |
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1919.845 |
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聚焦未來產業科技創新方向．為新興科技產業發展提供新的路徑．在環境面由於氣候變遷及能源耗用．經濟活動應符合永續的發展原則．最後是政治面我國要與國際間具共同價值國家成為重要的夥伴．共同捍衛攸關國家安全是關鍵技術． |
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國科會於111年7月由科技部改制為委員會整合協調全國科技預算資源分配 |
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與各個部會共同訂定科技發展策略．並推動跨域的合作．串聯科技研發的上中下游．有效落實國家的科技計畫．回應社會需求．增強國家的競爭力。國科會提出八大前瞻科技平台．推動成果與重點．說明如下．一前瞻半導體與量子．推動次奈米尺度的半導體技術． |
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1955.305 |
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1979.135 |
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聚焦更高頻耐高壓的化合物半導體元件等關鍵技術發展．成功開發出原子級斷層掃描等技術．令攜手經濟部與中研院成立量子國家隊．並鼓勵臺灣量子新世代關鍵技術的開發計畫．成果包含通用量子電腦團隊已經製作出．超導5位元的量子晶片．以及相關8吋晶圓的製成。第二項 |
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人工智慧112年4月行政院 |
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2015.185 |
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和令臺灣AI行動計畫2.0．國科會協同各個部會共同推動．人才優化與擴增．技術深耕與產業發展．完善運作環境提升國際影響力．及回應人文社會的議題五大主軸．令打造專屬臺灣的可信任AI引擎TIDE．並推動臺灣AI卓越中心．建構國家級的AI科研平臺。第三項,太空． |
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發展光學遙測衛星合成孔徑雷達衛星．台灣第一枚自製氣象衛星列風者．已於112年10月發射升空．將為氣象及科學研究提供重要的數據．因應太空發展趨勢推動米漾5G的低軌衛星計畫．建立台灣自主發展 |
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通訊籌載與地面通訊的設備能力．並透過人才培育計畫．積極地全面提升太空科技．產業人才的研發能量． |
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第4資訊安全成立資安科技的研究中心．從臺灣優勢的發展領域．國家發展需要與國家重大的趨勢．凝聚科研的能量培育高階資安技術的發展人才第5精準健康．協同各個部會共同推動生醫產業創新的推動方案 |
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以及臺灣精準健康．目前在法規環境的改善．生意聚落的建設．醫藥、醫療創新．防疫科技發展等．產業生態系建構方面．以具成效。6、近年科技未達成2050年近年碳排的排放目標． |
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國科會與中央研究院攜手各個部會．投入永續及前瞻能源．低碳或是減碳．負碳循環人文社會科學等五大領域．此外國科會投入包括．氫能海洋能近鄰社會科學等研究．以達到前瞻能源科技研發．促進近鄰技術應用．強化國際鏈結．完善法規以及比較整體性的思考的配套機制．等等目標 |
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第7國防科技推動學研中心專案計畫．以跨校跨領域建置國防科技研究平臺．總共有7個學研中心在各個大學．令推動國防科技探索計畫．將於113年5月進行雛形展示或概念的驗證 |
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8、人文社會推動原住民族社會永續科技發展平台的計畫．優先聚焦於傳統破地的利用．森林海洋資源的共管．食農永續、城鄉遷移等4個主題．整合部會推動解決方案． |
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此外成立科技民主社會研究中心．提供國際地緣政治新局政策研析等等．並舉辦國際研討會及國際智庫的交流． |
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國科會今年將辦理第12次的全國科學技術會議．透過部會的協作以及產學研的共議．擬定國家科學技術發展計畫．此外亦積極推動科技外交與重要科技強國簽署部會成集科研合作協定與協議． |
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利用我國長期建立的科技實力與具有自由民族相同理念與價值的國家合作部件網絡打造互國的科技力最後敬祝各位委員平安健康萬事順心謝謝 |
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謝謝,謝謝林副主委的口頭報告那我們現在進行詢答每位出席委員質詢6分鐘必要時延長2分鐘立席委員質詢時間為4分鐘那發言登記時間,截止時間為上午10點30分那委員若有臨時提案也請於上午10點30分前提出並於本會委員、范雲委員質詢結束後 |
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立即來處理．那處理提案時若提案委員與聯署委員均不在場．原例不予處理首先我們請一直發言登記第一位的．侯孟康委員質詢主席謝謝麻煩請林副主任委員好有請林副主委 |
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副主委委員長是我先請教一下今天主委在哪裡他在請假在行政院院會開會行政院院會開會每個禮拜四都行政院院會那今天有跟國科會有相關的報告嗎 |
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我因為是奉令來這邊開會 |
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在行政院院會裡面坐在那裡面以往院會是誰開比較多?你開比較多還是他開?都是主委,都是主委親自開主委也特別交代要跟委員抱歉今天其實很抱歉他在院會裡面有重要的事項什麼事項?這個是主委的權責 |
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這是國會殿堂,你現在不是接受外媒訪問,不是隨便呼嚨你講的每一句話都要有評有據,什麼樣重要事項比國家科技發展策略布局更重要?什麼樣重要事項比來立法院跟全民報告並備質詢更重要? |
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就是在行政院會 隔中校東路一路之隔他寧願坐在行政院裡面也不願意來立法院 是這樣嗎今天的東西他都完全就是很特別的交代很特別的交代 所以以後大家都很特別的交代就可以了那這樣子以後都不用部長啦 |
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有格魁新上任也不用新上任格魁啦以後格魁也不用出來啦也不用備詢啦很特別的交代 |
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副主委我沒有要為難你的意思你也是被派出來的嘛但重點是本席很好奇說今天召委那麼慎重的安排這樣的一個專案報告主委可以不來那是不是說主委在躲媒體還是說第一波的人事名單裡面520沒有他心情不高興還是有可能現在有公司傳說他有可能是未來的速發部長有沒有聽說 |
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這個完全沒有聽說那之前吳主委在這個委員會的時候也被問到他那時候講是說他去意已堅他說他520之後就快樂的退休人他說在各行各業也可以為國家服務那我想請教 |
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既然你被充分授權他有特別交代那他有沒有講說他520一定還是離開公職這個沒有也沒有所以你也沒有辦法回答嗎所以我沒有辦法回答很多東西你沒有辦法回答嗎個人的事情我沒有辦法回答你認為是不是主委應該還是要來我想再次再次致歉了要call outcall in還是二選一 |
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再次致歉 對對對抱歉我想這個主委有特別交代官員520前不要有這種代退老兵的心態絕對沒有他們每天還是非常重要現在是新國會新民意1月13日之後我們都戰戰兢兢的因為我們都希望國家科技發展很重要但如果說用這種代退老兵的心態還是認為說520到了反正我拍拍屁股走人國科會跟我沒關係了船沒高水沒流 |
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臺灣半導體供應很重要 |
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臺積電我們真的也是要再一次的感謝臺積電以及我們所有的這些晶圓廠以及所有最重要的是第一線工程師說這些工程師地震發生之後大家都是逃難就工程師趕快趕回去休假的非休假的趕快趕回去就是要趕快來復工 |
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去做整個機台的一個修復那現在台積電也講是說隔一天4月4號就已經講晶圓廠設備恢復率超過80%了那國科會也說竹科中科南科都陸續恢復中但我想現在確定一下此時此刻是不是所有的科學園區都已經正常的營運 |
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4月4日媒體就已經報導80%了,現在幾號?4月11日 |
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經過了7天時間了本時要問的是最新的進度不是應該掌握狀況怎麼樣來麻煩跟委員報告我想經營廠平時都有在做演練我現在只確認科學園區是不是都已經恢復正常了對幾乎了 |
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大部分遺棄哪個小部分沒有恢復正常因為有些還要經過調教要做一些幾天的穩定度的試驗所以我們有沒有掌握有那有掌握資料在哪裡你剛剛講的狀況感覺是你沒有掌握有我們平常就有在跟各廠商聯絡那現在好你有沒有相關你現在手邊有沒有資料 |
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到底現在恢復的程度到90% 80%還是還剩哪幾家廠商還沒有恢復有沒有這個資料我沒有辦法答覆每一個機台我們現在不是問你機台 |
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來 副主委本席的問題有那麼難回答嗎科學園區是不是恢復正常的運作我完全了解讓我稍微回答一下這問題很重要大家其實都會關心哪些機台多少%但是因為這些有些牽扯到整個 |
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本席問的是說科學園區是不是完全恢復正常運作 |
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我相信應該還是有少數的機材在做調整因為機材的調整本身他要去重新去reset parameter但這個部分我問正常人問立法院今天是不是有正常開會你會跟我講說有兩個科長今天請假嗎你會問說今天 |
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委員會就是有正常開會就有正常開會沒正常開會就沒正常開會今天我問說科學園區是不是有正常運作一直在跟我講說科學園區裡面可能有機台還在修復中我不瞭解我們科科會是在管這種事情的嗎已經正常營運這個點我們可以講那再來相關的因為這次0403地震而造成相關的損失我們非常關心目前掌握多少 |
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目前是這樣子 跟國科會比較相關的就是研究實驗室當然整個學校包含各方面的損害部分我們在這一次科學園區裡面國科會主管科學園區裡面0403地震總共園區的損失現在初估有多少 |
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目前因為整個恢復的營運那應該是相當的有限那至於怎麼樣去計算這個損失是不是都沒有去查這個牽扯到 對不起牽扯到產業它的內部還是認為說科學園區不關你們的事是關你們的事是關你們的事那0403那麼重要的一個地震 |
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全台灣大家都在看我剛開宗明爺講是說全國際都在看因為台灣現在半導體的供應鏈非常重要但我現在在問的是說你們主管的科學園區這幾個科學園區裡面0403已經經過了一個多禮拜了那你們的損失到底有多少 |
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整個硬體各方面跟科學延續這個損失基本上已經都是在幾乎是為無其為至於內部因為暫時停工他重新調整機台這個部分這屬於營業機密我請教一下來來來副主委非常好 |
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206台南大地震南科損失多少錢李培欽多少錢科技廠知不知道 |
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157億921的時候科學園區理賠多少錢? |
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委員這個部分是非常重要那我們現在講是說這一次0403的大地震是921之後最大地震比那時候206的臺南大地震還要嚴重結果臺南大地震那時候南科有損失到157億你現在跟我講是說這次0403為乎其為你的底氣從哪裡來?誰告訴你的資料?因為他在明顯具體的損害跟破片這個部分事實上我們比上次好很多而且委員這句我回答這個很重要 |
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臺南大地震 |
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是屬於內部的盤點還沒有公佈還沒有任何的公佈那你們也沒有掌握對不對我們一定要掌握是一定要掌握什麼時候會掌握到現在4月3日到現在4月11日已經8天的時間過去了還沒有掌握是不是就現在的狀況不是產業界本身也在盤點因為它真的要經過那什麼時候會掌握出來另外有一點就是剛剛講 |
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副主委 |
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本席剛剛也開宗明義講了真的這一次有很多的因素但是你們身為管理者其實是最不是說現在說好很多是因為這一些都是第一時間很多的工程人員很多的代班人員不眠不休趕快去來做搶修再者是地震真的是震央相對來講發生在台灣東南西北都是一個震央但是沒有發生在我們科學園區的震央那另外一個部分 |
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現在的狀況是說我們到底過了8天了大家都還在睡嗎都沒有去掌握說各園區的狀況這才是今天本行難道不認為說今天來做報告的時候我們會關心這個事情國人會關心這個事情嗎 |
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報告委員我們有密切但是這個部分也要廠商提供委員我們事實上都有密切運期跟產業我們回去把目前我們已經既有的產業的資料我們提供給 |
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到目前為止我跟你說昨天教育部來次長都可以很明白回答說在第一時間內就已經盤查全台灣有505所學校有受損的狀況其中東華大學20億受損最嚴重花蓮女中2.2億其他學校陸陸續續回報 |
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最後我們國科會在自己的幾個科學園區裡面到目前為止8天之後連最基本的說到底有多少損失到底現在狀況怎麼樣都不知道這就是國科會的一個效率嗎兩種損失是不一樣的一個是硬體的直接損失這個我們很容易估計但是是因為機台停工這個時候造了損失這屬於產業的這整個的...副主委今天下班以前給本席資料 |
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主席,今天特別關心因為你們在第 |
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第10頁裏面有提到近鄰科技近鄰科技是本期很重要的一個方向2050近鄰碳排以及氣候邊境因應法在上一屆的時候我們都一起共同推動 |
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而其中有講到所謂的海洋能在之前本席也說過北海岸地區現在因為有合一合二廠都已經除役如果說能夠來針對北海岸海洋能的一個開發能夠利用既有的電網 |
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不會增加布設電網的成本又可以掌握再生能源這是北海岸非常好的一個契機所以我們需要國科會針對海洋能在第10頁有投入的捕捉、運用、生產等相關的技術研究再精進這能不能做到 |
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提出一個計劃 |
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今天的質詢時間是6加2所以我請各位委員把握時間差不多時間 |
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好,我們接下來請柯之恩、趙偉質詢。謝謝趙偉,我們請林副主委。有請林副主委。 |
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林副主委,說實在我還是延續孟凱的這個談話我是非常遺憾今天你們的吳主委沒有到因為今天召委排的一個非常重要的科技發展那我們本來是希望能夠就教於吳主委 |
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李慧琼議員 |
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因為他認為可以透過這樣的一個委員會只要透過每個月所開的這個會議平台裡面還是可以串聯各部會沒有錯吧你覺得這個目標有達到嗎應該是有達到因為目前整個國科會的相關的科技計畫都是就全國或者各個部會的角度思考 |
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是這樣子嗎?但是呢你改之後我還是要提醒我們副主委你覺得你們每個月開的會議當中呢每個部會所長我要問一下你覺得誰最不配合?你們每個月都要開會啊你們說要串流所有各部會跨平台的部會都來討論我們有些相關的特別是重要的科技產業發展你覺得誰最不配合?這個我現在甚至沒有辦法回答你沒有辦法回答?你有參加過嗎?因為我有參加過因為國科會的副主委一定是要參加的是那我自己當然是不參加然後你知道誰的出席率最低嗎? |
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最不配合的你們總共開了9次會議這些人 |
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一次都沒有出席過都是找人來代位出席接下來跟你們最有關係的國發會目前為止是最有關係跟我們的科技部是最有關係的他也是7次找人出席更不要說其他的你看看你們當初所認為可以跨部會的這樣子的一個可以來整合串流就這些人沒有一個人幫你們當當做一回事你會不會覺得很心寒啊 |
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我想有很多出席這個部分還有很大的空間還有很大應該努力的空間你看吧所以你們今天主委不出席到我們這邊委員會當中你們所開的會議裡面你們各處會的主管也都是派人來參加這個對於你們當初吳主委認為可以透過這個所謂的國科會來串流讓各部會有跨部會的討論其實這個目的是沒有達到的這一點我要跟林主委充分的表達數據會說話接下來我們來看一下 |
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在我們2019年的時候我們全國科學技術的會議當中我們把人才的培育是認為是非常重要我想這個副主委是來自於學界所以你認為我們國科會目前為止對育才、留才、攬才有到你們所當初規劃的目標嗎? |
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主席 |
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3363.626 |
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3364.086 |
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2020年比起到2023年倒退再往下來看 |
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你特別提到的我們國科會所做的你看我們目前為止近10年來我們的STEM對不對我們的Science, Technology, Engineering, Mathematics這幾個10年來我們這些STEM我們認為是主管我們科技發展的10年來少了10萬我們再往下來看還有我們外國專業人員可以聘僱的你看 |
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從106到現在逐年的降低這是我們認為人才、懶才非常重要的當然人才更不要說那時候在我當委員的時候我們提出了一個LIF的計畫希望能夠把海外人員來有一個橋接這項我想副主委應該非常的清楚只有我們4年花了4億多回台那時候我們就質疑這樣的這個有效性只留下的97個人我們再往下看所以這一連串的下來 |
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副主委,你真的還是覺得我們人才、懶財、育才﹐達到你當初所認為的規劃方向嗎?還不夠,還不夠而且誠如剛剛委員指出來的這個其實當然有很多原因那這些原因其實我們必須要非常積極改善台灣工作的環境 |
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所以說以往我們請人家回來如果台灣的整個工作環境尤其是科技人才這大家都會知道但是你們到底做了什麼因為我們的薪資我們各方面跟別人都不太能夠比所以我們報告委員所以我們從去年開始還有從今年開始去年事實上就開始有一千個博士班學生如果我們博士班學生他的薪水是遠比外面做碩士的產業來的低很多那博士班學生是來自於什麼樣的領域你們所培育的博士班學生是來自什麼領域都有 |
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3488.774 |
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當然我們也不能偏會人文 人文也非常重要OK 好 那我們知道嘛 國會國際的發展我們今天就focus在我們的科技發展你看我們整體計畫當中 你說博士班的培育我也完全R&D是當然非常的重要啊但是你看我們基礎研究的這個能量 你看看 |
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日本大概可以完全占整體的研發經費的12,包括你1000個博士,都是屬於這樣的經費。日本12.6,我們台灣7.45,只比中國大陸多一點點而已,你跟其他國家完全是沒有辦法。10年前還有9.8,你現在只有7點多。你告訴我你投入這麼多,這個數據會說話,你放在基礎研究上面,基礎研究是一切的根本。 |
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主委 是不是這個樣子這一點我非常謝謝那個委員提出這一點這一點我日動到國科會之前曾經就寫過那時候大概7點0左右那其中一個非常重要的原因是國家投入基礎研究的整體預算太低 |
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所以我們很希望能夠提高基礎研究本身 |
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然後呢你們的主委還特別提到說除了這個東西沒有辦法我們希望民間他真的下任之後到民間去問他今天沒有來不然我很想問問他你如何讓民間也能夠投注在我們所謂的基礎研究你可以看得出來有多少投到民間基礎研究到目前為止不到一成所以你們都知道問題所在你們都已在這個位置上面但是你都提不出最好的一個政策這是我覺得非常可惜的地方更何況我們現在每個人都說AI AI |
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3585.531 |
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我想那個 |
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3614.956 |
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科學委員其實也在學校裡面當過高級主管我們如果整個完全只是改名這個絕對換湯普換藥沒有辦法達到那AI真正的尤其在這幾年CHOP GPP的開始就是生成式的它會滲透到各個領域的應用所以應該是保原來的領域的應用非常重要那你把 |
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主席主席 |
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參考指引是對於未來立法非常重要的參考目前在各個部會的運用我們都積極參與 |
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你沒有積極參與你有積極參與當然大家給你的回饋非常的少你甚至有很多的民眾看了你的指引之後大家給你看事實的狀況只會告訴你這個不行那個不行然後都沒有告訴你什麼叫做行的你看看你們的指引我把它拿出來看吧不得取代什麼禁止使用不得向生成的部分亦不得怎麼樣這是民眾所反映的嘛這個不行那個不行你就好像前面有個繩索半馬索一樣你沒有告訴我什麼才是行這是國科會我們認為最需要的AI的參考的指引 |
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我沒有辦法跟你談機密文件我光是一個指引把它擺出來你希望每個人給國科會能夠有一些的回饋問題是你這樣的一個指引沒有辦法給回饋這就如我剛所提到的很多大自然運燒我們台灣都認為AI |
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臺灣是打從到尾可以用到個AI好不好 |
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所以這個東西對我來說是一個指出非常重要的就是在應用面我們更應該加強落地這個部分那我們當然也有其他的AI計畫在做這方面好啦那個副主委我真的覺得我個人覺得說從學界來到這個地方我們不是要只有理論當你握有這個權利的時候其實你可以好好把你認為你覺得很無奈台灣應該的發展方向你們都有你們的mind但是你們的action你們的action更不要說innovation什麼AI的內閣 |
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再次邀請吳佩儀委員質詢 |
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謝謝主席,我請國科會副主委好,有請林副主委委員早安副主委好這個台灣發生了花蓮的地震關於我們的產業尤其是我們科學園區的損失以及恢復這個大家都很關心尤其是因為台灣的半導體產業是全球現在整個供應鏈的關鍵所以呢,不只是 |
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國人及世界都關心這一次我看了國際都給予台灣肯定即使發生了這麼大的地震我們的半導體沒有停工我們的供電也很快就來恢復所以德惠我來跟你請教說我們這個園區運作的狀況但前面我剛剛看到我們侯孟楷委員 |
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我再詢問你說我們園區的恢復這個細節的資料請你會後要提供我在這邊要提醒國科會因為立法院最近也還在討論國會調查權的問題因為科學園區你們國科會你們是房東啊 |
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裡面是我們台灣重要的產業有非常多的廠商你們提供的資料千萬不能去涉及人家的營業秘密因為這是涉及到產業可能影響到他的訂單甚至可能影響到了股市國會調查權不是你說或我說的算哪些資料可以提供哪些資料不能提供這個都有法律規定的必須要涉及公共利益你們才可以提供 |
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所以說不管是在這個質詢台上還是會有提供的資料其實你們都要務必謹慎因為台灣的半導體產業全球都在關心簽譯法動全身其實你們要特別謹慎注意好不好我們這一次在這個地震之後我們國科會針對我們園區的穩定性我們是成立緊急應變小組怎麼樣來做這個機制 |
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最主要的其實我們想要關切的是在我們園區的供電 |
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我看我們台電也有一個強化電網韌性建設計畫我們預計10年內要來投資超過5600億裡面很重要就是要包括加強我們科學園區的電力穩定因為其實一秒兩秒對我們來講都是一個很大的損失跟負擔我們未來是希望可以朝向 |
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．4月10日及11日二天一次會議 |
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還有氣體那另外汙水處理設施那第一時間回報都是說都正常運作所以這個第二部分我們就開始問廠商有沒有受損情形需不需要遠距來協助那因為平常都有在做演練那這一次電也沒有停水也沒有停所以大部分的機台都是正常運作那當然震度達到一定 |
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整體而言對營運損失應該是甚為 |
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好 這個我們的緊急應變機制請你們務必要去讓它每一次的演練每一次甚至災後我們實際上面的運作都應該理當可以讓我們的下一次可以做得更好那也請國科會我們要繼續來投入因為這一次我們看到之所以我們可以半導體不停工然後供電能夠恢復這麼快 |
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與921地震相比起來其實主要就是在於這些年來臺灣的供電的穩定性除了我們剛剛講到的電網以外包括我們投資綠能包括我們投資儲能這些相關的研究我們國科會都有來投入支持這部分我們也希望我們要繼續來加強好不好 |
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接下來也是要跟副主委請你要特別關心的是我想我們的政府部會我們每一位的首長每一位的公務同仁我們都不能置身於社會室外那最近全國國人非常關心的就是數位性暴力 |
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委員會主席 |
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現在立法院也在討論兒少性剝削條例的修法那我自己也會提出版本但是我就在看因為我們國科會的研究事項裡面其實也包括了性品研究20年前我們國科會曾經支持過兒少性剝削條例的相關研究但是這性影像的散佈最害怕的就是它一傳十 十傳百尤其現在是一個全球的網絡甚至影像是傳到境外的 |
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所以台灣有法人我們台灣網路資訊中心其實有進行一個研究案來做全球下架的研究其中也涉及到了運用我們的AI他用一部影片可以去找到其他這部影片還出現在哪些的網站就能夠去協助後續的執法來下架所以這個部分用科技來阻斷性影像的散播我們國科會可不可以來支持相關的研究 |
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我們已經積極在規劃那因為尤其是數位這件事情是讓很多現在的這個相關的議題會變得更嚴重更快速傷害會更多所以我們事實上會等於是召集跨領域的你希望也有數位的專家不只是原來的這個關於這個兒少研究的專家我們會組成一個比較跨領域的團隊 |
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最後要關心的是太空中心今天我們的火箭阿伯我們吳主任也沒有來有副主任代表吳主任現在仍在美國去參加美國太空博覽會 |
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沒有看到中國的官方代表 |
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今年中國也沒有受邀出席好那其實我們更加關心的是我們到美國參加這個博覽會合作了交流了哪些議題這會後希望可以提供資料給我們好沒問題那最後是呢在花蓮的救災裡面我們看到了太空中心福衛五號的應用我們緊急更改排程然後提供這個災前後影像的比對這是一個對國人來講是非常大的一個消息然後我看我們國人也湧入你們的粉絲頁來感謝你們 |
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當然國內也關心的是我們還有福衛八號的計畫對不對目前預計的時程是如何福衛八號目前的第一顆衛星預計在114年底的時候會有發射的機會所以目前正在做整合測試的工作那明年可以做發射 |
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已經在測試預計明年要來發射這是在我們第3期國家太空科技發展的長程計畫上次在這邊質詢的時候我有提醒吳主委我們相關的這個計畫還沒有看到你們提出來所以希望提出來之後趕快送來給我們瞭解參考好不好是謝謝好謝謝謝謝吳佩奕委員林副主委請那我們再來請羅廷偉委員質詢 |
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好 謝謝主席麻煩主席幫我請國科會林副主委好 我們請林副主委 |
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委員早安林副主委你好你好謝謝我想今天主委不在那要跟你探討一些事情AI專法的一個進度我想剛剛有委員也在提到這個AI是我們現在非常重要的一個趨勢我們更希望AI能夠在未來再運用在所謂的網路影像尤其是這種暴力或者是兒少關係剝削到的一些影像那 |
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主委曾經表示AI已經進入到這生活剛開始技術跟產業之外事實上理論倫理法治治理才是重點行政院已經有一個深層式AI的一個參考指引但如主委所說倫理法治跟治理才是重點請問AI專法目前的進度 |
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有機會再提快? |
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因為國人現在對AI越來越重視的情況 |
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國內的人包括產業跟各方面他不只是限制他也有創新所以我們要在中間限制跟創新當中找到一個適當的在台灣的這一條那這條線是需要溝通的所以我們事實上在年底這個部分事實上已經盡量加快速度了我們盡量加快速度如果能夠提早那我們當然是會提早跟跟那個我想給自己一個目標盡量加快哪怕是幾個月那因為 |
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不管是國外我們為了一些AI的一些產業導致一些產業開始在做罷工到現在我們對於AI的一些影像我們都希望能夠透過AI來做一些防範治理我想科技的發展來看很多事情都已經被AI取代未來很多的類別都有可能被淘汰所以我想法治治理的這個過程當中我們有更必要的一個迅速好不好 |
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好那副主委國科會的一個前身是科技部之前有執行科技醫療相關的一個計畫而在報告的第9頁有提到現階相段有一個相關計畫包含臨床資料庫 |
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還有AI之跨領域的開發及價值應用．以臨床需求作為出發．主導醫學中心ICT的一個廠商媒合．組成9個整合性的跨域成熟團隊．本席想請問．像這個臨床資料庫與AI之領域．跨領域的一個價值應用．計畫其程式109年到112年 |
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現在已經到期了,請問4年來總預算為多少?由哪幾個醫學中心和ICT的廠商媒合組成9個整合型的跨域成熟團隊,是否達到預期目標? |
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目前的目標其實是非常好的因為基本上醫學中心跟ICT廠商都合作的非常的好而且事實上我們在未來4年還有一個新的啟程的計畫目前正在這個扣案當中那4年來總預算多少過去的4年是吧對應該是可能有4億多因為我你可以好那你可以稍微提出幾個醫學中心和ICT廠商媒合嗎幾個醫學中心是吧對 |
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產學處有沒有我們有兩支計畫我們有兩支計畫報告委員一支是那個生科處他是跨醫院合作的驗證那產學處有個智慧醫療產學聯盟因為我們是大概111年開始執行的那主要是像比方台大跟廣達那另外還有這個中國醫跟長嘉智能然後他們共同發展一些產品的驗證那希望往海外市場拓展然後能夠海外落地 |
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好那另外一個我想跟你請問一下健康大數據永續平台計畫建置國家級的友善醫療生醫治療來做一個平台建置轉譯導向的生醫劇量資料應用生醫資料庫開發身影生物標記及疾病風險評估模式本期想請問健康大數據的永續平台計畫 |
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計劃期程也是110年到113年即將到期請問四年來的總預算為多少?應該是差不多差不多嗎?已經完成了四分之三的計劃是否可以達到預期目標?這支計劃可能比較多應該有大概8億左右8億左右那不是差不多那是大佈稍微多一點好沒關係 |
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4億變8億也不是差不多或多一點沒關係其實剛剛那個4億其實是有包含如果包含產期數的話事實上scale稍微大一點好那已經完成3⁴的一個計畫請問一下有沒有達到預期目標 |
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主席 |
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4682.557 |
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綜藝範圍多少? |
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這個預算應該差不多6億左右吧好那內文竟然說國科會長期耕耘新興感染的一個研究證一個研發研究電定防疫基礎自109年的嚴重特殊傳染COVID-19疫情爆發支援國內 |
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防疫的一個重要議題檢疫治療預防公衛的流病以及社會影響場域的一個驗證國際合作我想做全方面的一個研究簡單的說萬一下一次來一個類似的COVID-19的一個疫情國科會能夠提供什麼給相關部門來進行有效的全面防衛 |
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基本上這個任務跟衛福部是有部分應該理論上會重疊國科會的角度就是從科學研發我們希望用科學的方法來解決下一個疫情所要面臨的問題所以事實上我們跟很多醫院都有在做這方面的一個所以這個計畫你目前所籌備的相關資料有信心在下一次如果遇到COVID-19的時候是可以有效的提供 |
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如果我應該說下次還是COVID-19我可以跟你保證一定沒問題類似但是是新興的病毒新興感染症的種類如果真的是很多的話我知道千變萬化但是我們因為之前這一次的COVID-19的一個防範機制我想這些都是演變出我們需要的一些科學數據或者是我們的經驗來做下一次的病毒演變的時候可以作為最好的防範前提 |
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跟委員報告其實這次COVID-19的很多研究的能量基礎也跟上次SARS所累積出來的這個肺部的這個這個這個事實上非典型的這個部門感染事實上有很大的這個研究基礎研究能量所以我們不能臨時找人就是事實上它已經有這個連續但我們未來其實在目前這次COVID-19得了研究成果我們也希望長期的能夠作為未來若有新興的疾病本身也能夠也能夠能夠幫忙支持這樣子 |
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好當然我們希望這些疫情的亂象不要再度的發生但是我們希望國科會因為有這些經驗可以給我們很大的一個參考是謝謝好那最後我想講就是太空中心我想太空中心我們因為立法院已經三讀太空發展法我想國際強權也作為太空的先行者主宰了大部分的一個市場跟組織台灣現在才要起步我們很擔心會越來越萎縮的一個情況之下 |
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那在這樣子一個情況我們當然還是不能嫌晚嘛有做就是好事那2023年的太空中心成立喔國聯對他的盼望也很高請問火箭發射場的進度為何選址在哪好我們具體進度請我們那個你這邊 |
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跟委員報告那火箭發射場目前已經第一次的委員會開過了他分三個階段第一個階段是要瞭解那訂定發射場址的條件第二個才會跟這個各相關的這個地方單位談之後呢 |
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然後才確定所謂的候選場址第三階段才會決定場址我想時間有限沒辦法論述太久但是我想韓日中國大陸印度都有自己的發射廠也有成功台灣什麼時候可以在自己的國家發射火箭上太空這是我們的期許我想到現在只有在討論條件還沒有實際的一個選址我們希望加快速度這方面可以努力嗎比如說你的第一次會議第二次會議可不可以快一點 |
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陳培宇委員 |
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謝謝主席,有請副主委 |
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副主委早安我們來看一下這個第一張投影片謝謝我們看到這個太空中心的貼文你有看到嗎副主委那這個上個禮拜在花蓮地震後的隔天呢太空中心馬上釋出了非常多衛星照片讓很多國人同胞因為網路上其實流傳非常多照片其實造成大家的恐慌但是因為事實這個照片的釋出我覺得也讓大家的心情稍微安撫平靜 |
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臺灣陸續來自日本、泰國、新加坡跟中國的資料畫面其實也在這一次地震上給予很多的幫助 |
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請副主委簡要說明一下透過太空中心的計畫﹐木來表達我們台灣國會﹐對這個議題的關心跟感謝﹐可不可以給您30秒說明一下我想具體的內容我可以講﹐但最重要是說﹐我們一定要加入其他國際聯盟你才有辦法有足夠的資訊 |
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當看我們國家的衛星其實是不夠所以這個事實上是在太空的衛星的部分跟資料的分享部分是一個很重要的那這個不僅是一個科技外交也是在實質上對於台灣的應用非常重要那具體在這一次其實是等於是很直接提供了我們不只是這一次啦我想其他的部分我們也都有利用其他的 |
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我們來看一下下一張沒錯 這個加入國際組織非常重要就如同您說的其實從2010到2022年我們看到太空中心透過國科會這邊積極推動科技外交跟重要的科技強國還有簽署部會層級科研合作協定跟協議那我們看到2010到2022平均每一年我們台灣台灣自己的資源光光是台灣送出去的資料平均有14件災害事件提供那我們來看下一頁 |
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台灣過去一整年我們台灣自己就協助了13個國家22場災害那我們都知道其實這樣的天災都沒有人希望發生可是一旦發生基於人道價值的關懷彼此互相提供資料互相協助這非常非常重要所以後續這邊我們是不是可以持續要求國科會跟太空中心這邊持續在這個計畫當中發揮角色那我相信立法院一定也會支持相關的預算 |
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說完了太空我們來看一下海洋這一次地震大家都知道是921之後最大規模地震可是因為它的震央在近海所以對於整個地質環境的掌握其實沒有辦法像25年前的921一樣可以從地面上有非常非常多的資料跟觀察那我在今年年初日本的能登半島地震不知道副主委你知道這個新聞跟消息 |
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其實我們台灣自己也有提供衛星畫面給日本跟副主委這邊說明一下那日本在上個月就派遣了他們自己的海洋研究機構的研究船進行相關的斷層探勘瞭解地震的成因還有地質的細節然後再進一步的把這個資料提供給調查委員會做參考為什麼要講這件事情呢我們來看下一張 |
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因為我剛說台灣這一次的地震正要是在台灣的近海那其實國科會的國家實驗研究院目前我們知道有國家地震工程中心還有台灣海洋研究中心那我想請問一下我們有沒有機會在這一次的地震透過派研究船進行地震探勘調查的計畫 |
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我想主要的如果是能夠在布局在海底的地震偵測其實這是非常重要那目前我們這些相當有限我們承認所以我想委員這個建議非常重要如果說我們能夠把兩邊聯合在一起因為海洋研究中心跟地震部分能夠再合作然後我們透過海洋科技的這個能量才能夠把地震以整個步道這整個重要的關鍵的部分但是因為整個東岸深海 |
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所以這個部分也有技術上的困難但我們會積極來思考這方面的問題那如果是這樣聽到副主委這麼正向的回應其實我們有聽到來自地科學界的學者的建議有沒有機會在這一次啟動這個相關的研究跟調查經費那我們是不是可以抓一個半年的時間請你們這邊做出相關的盤點 |
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臺灣的產業發展與國人日常生活 |
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有沒有機會在半年內啟動相關的研究?半年內不能因為半年內我不見得在但是一個月內我們會啟動第一次的諮詢會議好沒問題一個月內啟動相關的諮詢專家會議我們要把這個問題至少有一個framework至少有一個架構那一個月應該因為我還在還可以繼續那把這個東西會傳遞下去這資訊 |
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太好了謝謝這個非常重要謝謝副主委的肯定好那我們接下來再回到太空我們來看一下在今天的報告裡面我們看到國科會有提到八大前瞻科技其中太空是一個非常重要你們提到的領域可是我們有發現在去年7月的時候國科會主委就有說太空三期計畫要修正要延長並且預計在去年年底送件可是我們到目前為止都沒有看到相關的資料跟下文 |
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好下一張我們來看一下你們當時提出來的修正呢計畫重點我就不再贅述了可是你們提到一個非常重要的事情通訊韌性的部分那我覺得這一次在地震當中大家應該更可以感受通訊韌性的重要性那目前我們想知道聽說計畫已經是從國科會送已經是送到國科會然後等著要送到行政院目前我們知道版本是這樣是嗎 |
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目前按照每年的科技計劃的審議目前是這樣那現在單一計劃本身應該是五六就應該要送進來了我們還在審議的過程我們跟你們要資料結果你們給我們的回應是說競速完備修正內容所以到底是遇到了什麼困難要不要在這邊說明一下讓大家更知道關心相關進度的委員們目前的修正計劃是到哪裡了 |
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具體修正目前進度跟委員報告目前來講話因為他有相關的一些細節的內容像項目等等這些還需要討論所以還在這個內部的還在研議當中但是會儘速的提供 |
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那如果按照剛剛副主委您說的未來520之後你也不知道你在不在嘛但是你剛剛說提到一個月內那我們機會在這個修正案的部分有沒有機會在一個月內完成國科會的內部程序然後在520以前提供給行政院作為後續審查讓接下來行政團隊可以無縫接軌有機會嗎一個月內我們內部的內部的調整我先確定他可不可以好一個月內調整 |
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所以您覺得大概還要多久?因為我想也不會只有我們辦公室關心這個進度嗎? |
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我親自開會一個月內我們開看能夠推到怎麼樣因為我們必須要了解因為其他課還有牽扯到各個部會開放計劃絕對不是國科會的問題但是因為您說您會主責來召開開一個比較密集的會議去了解大概現在還有哪些技術上的項目是卡住但原則這個大方向應該大家都很有共識的這個部分應該是比較沒有問題的好那這個部分就拜託你們持續進行細節的部分我們事事就麻煩一下 |
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我們承認他確實有跨部會的困難但是我們還是希望看到進度是趕快往前推進的跨部會沒有困難但需要一點時間所以跨部會的溝通目前沒有困難但是大家在工作細項的討論分工上是有困難的他還需要帶回去做各個部會本身的討論如果有這麼多實際的困難但是您說你一個月內會先召開相關的會議然後來看一下大家目前進度到底哪些盤點一下到底哪些問題然後我們把它列出來 |
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我們辦公室會再跟你們要相關資料跟報告好,謝謝,謝謝副主委,謝謝主席,謝謝謝謝,謝謝陳培韻委員林副主席請那我們再來請葛盧軍委員質詢 |
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| transcript.whisperx[165].text |
謝謝主席有請國科會林秉聰副主委備詢好有請林副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[166].end |
5501.548 |
| transcript.whisperx[166].text |
委員長早安早副主委今天的專題報告的題目非常棒國家科技發展策略與布局是一個非常前瞻從國家的高度來談整體科技發展大方向的重要題目但是我真的忍不住要講薄薄的十四頁都是交代過去 |
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甚至沒有現在跟未來我們都翻過了105年講到112年都沒有在講未來請問我們國家科技發展的策略到底是什麼布局到底是什麼這到底是專題報告還是回顧想請教一下副主委最簡單的一題今年是民國幾年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[168].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[168].text |
我可以回去看一下這裡面到底有多少東西在提113年以後的東西啦報告裡面提到了很多項目人工智慧、太空資安都很棒但是裡面都是過去的新聞內容還有你們過去已經決定的東西現在全世界正在關注的議題Robotaxi8月可能要發布智慧機器人Robot LearningHumanoid |
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| transcript.whisperx[169].end |
5566.744 |
| transcript.whisperx[169].text |
這個區塊鏈、腦機介面、基因編輯等等在這份報告裡面可以說是資質未提、複資缺乳啦我可不可以問為什麼?在哪裡有嗎?這份裡面有沒有?我想所有的包括很多大型的計畫或者包括這個八大的這個技術平台事實上都是放遠2035的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[170].text |
請副主委回去翻一下專題報告裡面到底有多少在講未來我可以直接給各位答案在第13頁第三部分三之一的第二段260個字在講今年以後的未來 |
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我想這是事實我們就不多說了但是昨天賴準副總統發表的內閣名單說要秉持行動創新active innovative的精神組成這樣的內閣但是不只沒有未來AI還只有少少一面又都在回顧過去我們到底AI的中長期戰略到底是什麼 |
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吳主委今天沒有親自與會備選他請假參加院會 |
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我們已經查過了今天院會的主題全部都是花蓮的災後的問題根本就跟國會沒有關係沒有關係那我想今天您來這裡會不會其實透露了一個訊息會不會副主委可能未來非常有可能接任國會主委是不是人選我們是不是要先提前恭賀您您即將要高升升任科技政委兼國會主委 |
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您過去最滿意的政策成績是什麼? |
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5700.609 |
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我想最重要的我們是把很多不同領域跟跨部會的部分重要的科技跟面向串聯在一起也就是說我們剛剛在口頭報告了你經濟面跟社會面好 待會你們回去看一下重播啦看看您這樣的回答是不是滿意沒有關係我想無論如何啦您身為這個副主委不管未來高深續任希望你們都可以好好的準備交接清單讓接下來的同僚 |
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這個可以持續的來前進那無論520之後誰來領導國科會本席都希望務必兌現當初主委曾經承諾的盡快看到AI基本法的草案送到立院本席也要強調期待AI基本法當中應該要涵蓋AI國際情勢的瞭解AI產業的現況調查的規範這是國科會做得很棒所以我們真的在此予以鼓勵2022年台灣AI國力調查大概很多人不知道這個東西 |
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但現在2024年我們新的革規上來了希望能夠趕快的來做新的版本持續都要推出甚至放到我們的AI基本法的規劃當中每年應該要持續更新幫助產官學員界的快速的掌握AI脈動接下來想了解一下副主委對於AI晶片產業的藍圖根據這個國會資料的顯示 |
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因應生成式AI的快速發展我們有金創計畫還有這個所謂的AI行動2.0的計畫這兩者可以說相輔相成但是我們其實還是想要問說這兩個計畫這樣子這個蘋果Apple Pen這樣合在一起到底我們是要重軟還是重硬還是軟硬兼施到底我們要重大還是重小重新創還是大型產業還是我們大小都要可不可以簡要的回答一下 |
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2023年到2026年的台灣AI行動計畫是一個跨部會的綱領計畫它事實上是希望以既有的AI技術要落地那晶片驅動台灣產業創新計畫裡面的AI的部分是很重要針對現在生成式AI新的硬體跟軟體的發展 |
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所以軟硬堅持?軟硬堅持?那大型還是小型?我們是要補助新創還是補助大型?高尖?新創是對於這個利用生成式AI﹐跟他的新型的技術的生創計畫﹐我們會極力支持應該大小都要?對,如果沒有計畫當然就很難有 |
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其中有一部分的經費發到經濟部來做這個金創計畫補助業者創新研發看起來是大小兼施但是做法我們覺得有一點疑義首先其中8億要補助新創不知道副主委知不知道我們現在國際的趨勢補助新創不是純補助應該是投資這裡面只是純補助又沒有拿股份 |
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如果我要投資或是補助大型公間業者為主﹑前瞻技術研發突破﹑晶片IC設計,12億台幣是杯水車薪,這是什麼規模? |
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5864.317 |
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伊隆馬斯克並購推特的時候這家公司他花了440億美金相當於1.4兆台幣12億台幣的預算3000萬美金是到底可以補助什麼樣的大型IC設計產業高階技術這個我想 |
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如果我們沒有辦法好好地去做調整新創業者也沒有扶植好大型公間業者可能又看不上如果真的要補助新創我們就多一點如果要補助這個甚至拿股份如果要補助大型的我們也要足夠的資源否則的話可能兩頭都空了現在真的看起來很多機制在促進但是相關的各類資源真的是非常的混亂我們來看一下 |
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雖然我們有在經濟部中小企業署有相關窗口看到有些整理,包含這一本也有一些整理,但是我這邊來朗讀一下,跟AI有關的政府小組或中心,國家智慧推動小組,國家AI推動小組,大家都可以注意,台灣AI卓越中心, |
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中研院還有人工智慧創新應用專題中心．國科會補助設立AI創新研究中心．領航企業研發深耕計畫大AI Plus．IC設計工庭補助計畫．驅動國內． |
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IC設計業者發展補助計畫DigitalPlus數位創新補助智慧國家方案DG2.0AI領黃推動計畫二代產業AI落地概念驗證補助AI應用服務化驗證補助AI應用我真的已經有點累了但真的不好意思琳瑯滿目小組中心計畫我相信都是善意但是很可能卻成為惡意的迷宮讓產業界的眼花撩亂前途茫茫 |
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我們既然這麼關注又有這麼多的資源我們能不能協助產業、產官學把相關的資訊、單位、補助、投資做一個整合建立類似Yellow Page或者是Build in Taiwan、AI at Taiwan這樣的一個創業整合或者資源展現的一站式服務我們這邊給你一個idea |
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AI at Taiwan還可以順便呼應一下新內閣幫賴總統宣傳解釋我們這裡講的AI是Artificial Intelligence跟我們昨天發布的Active and Innovative有一點不一樣一起放在這裡有多國語言讓全世界知道我們台灣兩個AI都很重視這不是很好嗎 |
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可不可以兩週之內研議? |
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最後時間有限我們要問的是採購的計畫這個高速運算主機的建制我們過去買了9台主機72片的H100再來要買16這個擴充到16P Flops接下來我們到底要怎麼做我們現在台德有7B有13B是沒有公開的 |
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但是呢昨天法國的新創公司Mistral公布的是176B開源給大家用的我們接下來到底是還要買H100嗎買也沒有關係但是現在已經有B100 B200甚至GB200 Super Chip |
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我們細節可以請 |
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6123.345 |
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113年目前目前規劃您剛剛提的沒有錯第一期我們會建就是今年會建16個Peta Flop但是從114開始我們會建100到120個Peta Flop的新機器那這裡面可能包括的都是有可能的新的機器 |
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謝謝我們比較一下我們72片接下來就算買個100片500片都遠遠不足啦人家是買個這多少三萬兩千塊然後呢這是什麼Meta是35萬顆那我們當然不能跟這些企業去比但我們不能差太多啦同時有新的東西一直出來我們不能等到我們發現要買了再來匡列預算最後去買的時候我們剩下來是菜尾 |
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主席 |
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麻煩國歌會的同仁也協助注意一下本席真的只是要提醒國歌會我們要及早部署跟規劃才有機會盡快採購到最新的設備因為等到我們意識到要買的時候很可能已經排隊都排兩年了接著又出新的C100 C200最後我想如何在先進國家和國際企業的激烈競爭之下 |
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謝謝副主委謝謝主席 |
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郭婉嫻議員 |
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委員早安早安副主委不曉得您知不知道現在在去年年底有一個新聞就有特別提到多所的鼎大的碩博班他們註冊率幾乎是零那也就是說不曉得是少子化的關係還是因為什麼樣的關係其實我們的碩博班目前為止很多人其實是註冊率是掛零的 |
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這您知道嗎?我看過報告那當然在這邊其實我還是要給這個國科會一個掌聲鼓勵因為其實我們有特別針對所謂的這個博士獎學金的一個方案對不對那在去年之前其實我們原本從這個名額是300位 |
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今年有特別提高到1000名當然其中的600名額是由其他的大專院校這邊來領選我們自己國科會這邊領選是400位 |
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好 那問題是這個從108年試辦到今年其實有很多的博士他們還沒有從學校畢業那為什麼就在今年突然突增了就是這麼多的名額這個是我比較好奇也是比較有疑慮的一些地方就是說我們這1000名突然之間在今年有增加了這麼多 |
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的名額這個是什麼樣的一個構想我想原來300名分配到各個學校還是生多米少就是說其實還是非常非常的有限所以我們增加以在budget可以的範圍之內增加到1000名那另外一個當然就是一個大環境 |
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所以我們要跟其他的產業界搶人 |
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至少要努力讓一些願意做研究的時候他不要做得太辛苦是我們不敢講說他的薪水可以比較但是至少讓他在這邊生活無虞可是目前我們其實因為這些博士班其實他們都還沒有從博士班畢業喔那怎麼增加突然之間其實增加人數的部分其實已經增加了三倍 |
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目前我們看到其實碩士班跟博士班的申請總人數事實上已經在下降雖然還沒有畢業但新進的我們就可以預看到這個部分的事實上是變化相當大尤其是在像STEM的這個範圍內本身它已經有一個很明顯的趨勢當然也包含少子化的問題也是其中原因我想眾多原因加在一起我們必須要更要用比較強有力的機制去支持這些做博士研究的 |
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我們有提供比業界更好的條件嗎?目前來講,如果經費是無限的,我們當然是希望無限增加經費怎麼可能會無限?對,不可能無限所以我們現在只是從原來事實上提到到4萬塊那4萬塊至少維持一個生活,基本的生活這個部分讓老師或者是學生以前的話,大部分博士班學生是靠老師來支持嘛尤其是在一個實驗室裡面那我們的總預算本身也有限 |
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所以我們就直接針對博士班你們預期這1000名今年會招得滿嗎?我們目前已經招滿,而且事實上有相當多人來申請好,那我們就來看一下我們的這些資源的比例400名的部分已經滿,那因為那個學校的部分還在學校但目前來申請還很踴躍而且跟委員報告我們還去開拓就是希望能國外的來其實有一部分事實上有相當多國外的也來申請 |
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我們來看一下我們的這個配置這個比例上我們可以看到比方說是112年的時候其實國立台灣大學我們這邊是58名那另外在113年就是今年其實我們國立的台灣大學是113位那其他的學校的部分我們發現這個比例上是不是會有一些 |
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支援分配布局的一些問題 |
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既然講到我們國科會的一些計畫我們就再來往下看喔當然我們看到其實我們為了要招募這些人才其實我們是為了儲備核心戰略產業人才對吧是沒錯好那既然是六大核心產業的人才我們就來看這六大核心戰略大部分都是跟資訊有關資安有關國防戰略還有我們的一些綠能跟再生資源等等對不對 |
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這個是我們的六大核心戰略主要是針對產業這次我們的分配是有八大的技術平台因為國科未要知足的博士班他是要做研究研究部分他必須要有一個研究的重點所以這個重點其實是剛剛我在報告的時候或是我們專題報告裡面是八大技術平台所以你們又拉出了另外一個是八大 |
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我比較好奇的是我們所入選的這些人他們來自科系我們來看一下我們看到有哲學系另外還有美術系另外還有中文系 |
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那這個部分他們是在這個你們所謂的八大的這樣子的一個計畫當中是符合哪一項我想國科會的審查跟學校會有很大的不一樣我們是針對他未來要讀或者是他現在做的題目跟他的研究所以他必須要寫一個小的research的一個proposal那我們來看下一頁就是說在這個所謂的博士生他們的一個獎助學金的領域的分布我個人是覺得 |
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| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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我個人因為可能我外行所以其實我真的會覺得有一點疑慮那他們的入選人數跟通過率是50%那資安這麼的重要為什麼他的人數只有3跟委員報告其實問這個問題是非常重要的其實資安部分其實我們另外有其他的計畫專案的計畫去對他師資跟學生的支持 |
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所以你們是不是應該要把平均式的比方說我每一個人補助他4萬可是我在資安人員我是應該要提高 |
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這個未來我們也會有很強的理由去做一些分布那我想治安這個部分省3只有30%這個部分我想我們可以去理解然後還是因為我們都是專家省就是專家的審查那人文社會我這裡要強調人文社會非常重要 |
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我們全盤去理解看其他計畫的配合 |
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因為我們再往下一張看我們看到我們的這是你們的這個政策的一個研究光是在政策的議題上面其實就沒有出現人文社會的議題喔所以我就不知道您剛才說的這個專業的在DCET本身裡面的主要研究員都是社會人文的我想目前這DCET是我們最近社會剛成立的科技民主跟社會研究中心嘛它的組成本身那它是用人文的觀點去看現在 |
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新興的產業本身產生的問題所以我們要把人文社會這個DNA滲透到其他的科技裡面去比如說包含我們的應用面我們事實上在中端的應用面如果沒有人文社會去支持的話那我們中端永遠就做一個供應鏈本身的做元件而已那在前端的部分尤其是AI它牽扯到AI的倫理跟信號部分那這個在在都需要法律的人文的本身去支持這個我懂 |
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對 所以我們現在這裡的題目也許看到是AI但是AI它本身就是一個人文問題跟社會問題就我剛剛所提的我覺得在我們人才的補助或者講助學金我覺得這個部分是不是應該要依照我們的現狀可以來做一些修正跟調整我覺得你們那補的1000名才會有意義啦 |
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委員會委員會委員會 |
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但是你們是1月11日才正式的公佈那這個部分其實真的也有點晚囉對,我們希望那個時候其實我們是希望盡快早點開始那明年,我們今年本身我們會檢討每一年我們都會希望能夠有一定程度的調整好,謝謝主委謝謝,謝謝副主委,謝謝主席謝謝,謝謝郭育晴委員林副勤委那我們接下來請葉元芝委員 |
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副主委為什麼主委沒來? |
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他今天請假去行政院院會我發現好像我們這一屆的委員團不被民進黨政府重視我每次我看到像國防部長阿或是其他衛生部長他們都自己出席但我們這個委員會每次都是教育部長也沒看到人沒來幾次都是次長國科會又派副主委 |
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那是不是我們教委會的委員比較被民進黨看不起我不知道啦應該不是這樣子不是不是這樣為什麼主委不來主委去行政院會開會我們就很閒就對了他就很忙我們就很閒不是啦副主委當然不為難你啦但是我們還是要表示一下我們的態度啦 |
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我看到這個報告 哇 這個報告非常的重要他整個難夸了我們國家科技發展的各大戰略甚至於連地緣政治底下我們科技發展的硬硬方略都有那最近地緣政治很熱門啊很熱門 像昨天有馬錫二會然後現在還有美日峰會 美日非峰會然後地緣政治這麼熱鬧的情況之下 請教一下 |
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我們副主委我們現在國科會說你們要在地緣政治情況發展我們的科技戰略是什麼?最後你們報告裡面有提到的但是因為你們報告寫得太抽象了具體來說你們到底做法是什麼? |
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台灣必須找到一個台灣在關鍵技術本身的發展 不會移出去半導體元件需要你講嗎不用你講我也知道我先講的是你國科會你們對於這個地方的價值跟貢獻是什麼 |
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我直接回答剛剛那個委員的第一個問題好了那我們如何去選擇重要的技術以前的話就就生產面來講越生產很大的技術就很重要但現在未來我們要看到一個新的技術進來比如說AIAI的技術它需要跟硬體本身的結合你不要浪費我時間你現在一轉眼又過了4分鐘了 |
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你不要浪費我的時間我現在講的是 這個報告都有寫我現在問你具體來講 地緣政治底下你對於科技產業因應是什麼嘛具體來講 因為這是寫在你報告裡面的啊那昨天馬錫鶴會跟今天的每日高峰會 國科會做了什麼相關的事情 |
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我還是以半導體為例是吧半導體本來就是不用你們講我們也知道啊半導體的策略也會做一定程度的改變什麼啊比如說生產鏈的部分在某些核心技術的部分我們要掌控在台灣這個部分事實上什麼核心技術核心技術比如說製程技術14奈米這個也不用你講好不好這個我看新聞都有我現在就問說你們到底做什麼嘛你是答不出來是不是不是就具體把這個那我這樣問啦昨天 |
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這兩天金融時報說我們很多大型的製造商都考慮在海外設第二總部這是你知道嗎?不知道喔?包括有光寶科加世達都考慮到外面設第二總部現在國內大型製造商因為你管科學園區嘛這位大型製造商說要到海外設總部的意願怎麼樣?這個目前 |
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主席可不可以暫停一下?就是你可不可以請他們針對我的問題回答?我問到現在都沒有一個針對我的問題回答主委不來然後下面就是來混時間的 |
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現在問題很具體 《金融時報》報導現在大型製造商 像加斯達 光寶科都已經考慮到海外去設第二總部就是因為地緣政治的影響嘛我現在問你說 你們掌管高科技同樣有地緣政治的影響 也很多國際的研發中心有研發中心事實上也到台灣 |
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這非常重要我們要看雙向我現在問的是你們掌握的狀況雙向也就是製造業本身的出去不好意思主席先暫停一下好不好你跟他講一下雖然我們不同黨但是這樣子國會的質詢有意義嗎沒有就請副主委針對委員的問題回答 |
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副主委我真的不想浪費時間了 |
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我們就給大家看你們國科會的態度啦回答問題就是這樣啦反正我就來啦你隨便問我我隨便答時間混完我就回去就是這種態度啦沒關係大家都看在眼裡啦我現在請教你啦3月18號的時候行政院前應該現在還是啦副院長鄭文燦在嘉義縣政府宣布台積電要在嘉義科學園區建兩座先進封裝廠 |
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這是你知道嗎?科學園區你們管的吧?所以台積電要來嗎?會來喔?但是我去看了去年12月 |
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有關於嘉義園區的環評環評裡面他只有提到說有針對精準健康、智慧載具、智慧農業跟其他新興科技四大產業做環評那其中有包括台積電嗎?有包括晶圓業嗎?跟委員報告在智慧載具裡面對於半導體是允許的但是對於半導體裡面做製造的部分是有限制的製造的部分是晶圓製造 |
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對,所以有沒有針對晶圓做環評?晶圓的部分本來在加科就不行,但是先進封裝的部分是可以的。所以是只有,所以它沒有要,它是要設先進封裝廠是不是? |
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是的,是的。那是包括在哪一個裡面?其他新興?目前是在智慧載具以及其他新興科技裡面,包含相關的封裝產業可以在這裡面容納。所以只有封裝產業,所以確定它要過來?是是,它已經在3月起租了。 |
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專業提出提出申請那大概什麼時候會進來這個可能要看廠商目前在做相關的準備工作要看他宣布所以封裝的部分就比較不受到一些地形的影響比如說排水系統 |
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所有的產業都會說到排水、水電、風水、風電那問題是有沒有特別針對這個部分去做環評有沒有這個部分都有環評的規範那如果有涉及到需要調整的話都會送環差的分析所以你的意思就是說會進來沒錯然後時間的話要看他提出來的是要看廠商宣布的時間那現在是說宣布了然後就看他提出還是你們很積極的招商 |
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我們已經核准他進駐了核准他進駐對 已經核准他進駐了那就你的了解 因為臺積電要不要進駐一直是大家的一個政績老師搶先宣布那我不曉得說國會會在這地方記憶度怎麼樣 |
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| transcript.whisperx[248].text |
委員會主席 |
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國會會議下面有一個災害防救科技中心的有負責災防告緊細胞廣播系統對吧是沒錯那我這邊有兩個案例我想問一下為什麼這都沒有通告一個是之前在網路上有一個照片說是那個台版台版的快車手就這張照片有沒有他就是發生的癱瘓所以他這樣衝出來那請問一下像這種正常情況之下國會會認為說這應該要發細胞簡訊嗎 |
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我想這個由栽培中心這邊來回答有沒有 需要嗎委員好 這個我想他這個崩塌的時候會有主責單位阿他發這個國家警報的這個應該要發對不對 應該要發可是 你是主任 沒有阿 沒發阿我想在現地 就是花蓮地區阿沒有 就沒有嘛 因為我們去看你的網站系統就沒有發阿就沒有針對這個發阿就0阿 發的簡訊是0阿 |
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我想是由主責單位阿他透過這個細胞的這個平台然後發出來他自己的細胞平台喔不不不就是國家的細胞平台就這沒就我們看的系統就沒有嘛是是就沒有嘛你認為要發可是他沒有發因為系統上就沒有呈現出來嘛是這個這個他分他的手臺所以是不是國會會你應該要跟相關的主責單位去講嘛是是是就不然我們國會會建置這個系統然後大家都不使用然後使用的很奇怪什麼大陸發射衛星然後就就發 |
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然後這種通他要不是這個台版房地鎖啊開特別快不然的話可能有危險啊啊這個不發 |
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7424.744 |
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7452.221 |
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哇 這個發的這個開盤不是 你要跟他們講啦好不好我覺得國會不是說把系統建制起來之後就就隨便你們用了你是主責單位你要去教育訓練或是說怎麼使用這個是你們的責任嘛是 不吧 這中央一邊都已經他都會每一次檢討所以這個細胞細胞檢訊這個事情大家詬病很多啦齁但是真的不是說只有在地震那一天大家詬病而是後續的很多狀況一樣沒有改進啊對 像我現在秀出來剛秀那個照片也不是最近的事也不是上禮拜三是之後的事情啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
並沒有針對這個東西做個檢討吧所以國會會是不是可以召集一個會議．跟各單位講說這個系統建制的請大家一定要妥善運用該發的時候發 不該發不要發國會會是不是可以做這個事可以可以可以然後另外還有一個很離譜的4月9號苗栗大埔附近也收到一個簡訊就是我現在投影片上面秀出來的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7496.807 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
主任請教一下可以幫大家翻譯一下什麼意思我怕國人不是每一個人都會英文我想我們在發布這個是由組織單位發布的時候他除了中文發布以外他英文他也會放對但是他只有英文是那所以是在發給外國人看還是怎樣我想他是這個 |
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7528.002 |
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也就是水庫啊 洩洪的部分啊對啦 你翻譯大家都懂啦可是你覺得大家都看得懂英文嗎是不是我們以中文為主我們的簡訊以中文為主可不可以所以你看 隨便舉兩個就知道這個簡訊問題這麼多所以可不可以請國科會 招幾個會議針對這個訊息發放的一些原則好不好 訂出來不要亂七八糟 真的亂七八糟啦 好不好 |
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7545.525 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].text |
謝謝我們謝謝委員這個召委可不可以真的因為我為了後面的委員著想啦他們這樣答詢真正被大家時間了你先跟他講一下好不好你看我時間莫名其妙就到了前面就跟我扯一些我在新聞上都看得到的東西我時間就到了 |
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7547.435 |
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7548.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[258].text |
還有10分鐘,然後再問一次 |
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委員可以...委員可以...我絕對不是用半導體來做回答然後上一次上一次我們國科會 |
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4月10日及11日二天一次會議 |
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好 謝謝謝謝葉委員施委員那你的標準真的很低欸我再強調一次我們並不是針對半導體來做回答我們是說半導體很重要它改變了什麼改變什麼是很重要那我就要說明它改變了什麼對不對 |
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你講嘛,我問你國會做了什麼嘛,我是問你國會做了什麼,你一直跟我扯說半導體很重要然後我問你說你國會有沒有掌握說這個半導體製造業有沒有要到海外去設立的總部,你跟我講說我們也招了很多資金進來,這有回答問題嗎?兩個是相關的,兩個是相關的你可不可以跟他溝通一下,他還說兩個相關,那你要...林副主委請回座,時間到了 |
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陳秀芭委員質詢 |
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副主委早今天副主委您這個專報是國家科技發展策略與布局那您在報告的時候也四平八穩的內容也是很豐富但是美中不足的是針對精創台灣方案呢你們只有在第6頁人工智慧中短短幾個字提到而未推動各產業導入深層式AI |
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113年起將結合進創台灣方案的布局．結合生存式AI加晶片．帶動產業創新．進行全面性的規劃跟推動就這麼簡單為什麼我想請教為什麼說 進創台灣方案這個這麼重大的計畫為什麼你這麼簡審這麼簡略我想也許可以請這邊來回答就是說我們盡量在這邊再補充說明 |
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謝謝委員我想可能因為篇幅的關係因為國會做了太多的東西那金創台灣其實就是十年第一年三千億碼第一年是一百二十億那你四支主軸的計畫你們的報告沒有限制字數吧為什麼說篇幅的關係沒有辦法放進去這個我不太能接受來 |
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今年我們進創台灣的這個進創台灣方案編列120億那佔今年科技預算的7.6%那以10年300億平均每年以10年3000億元平均每年300億明年的這個規劃的預算大概1800億來算這個基礎來算是高達佔比是16.7喔那 |
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當然這個相對於說之前我們一些比較沒有那麼宏觀整合科技產業這個政策來相比較這次推出了這個金創台灣方案的這個政策焦點比較集中那投入的時間跟力道也比較充足是值得讚許的但是既然我們這個可以這樣子做我們也有這樣子規劃為什麼你們不要明白的把它再說的明白一點為什麼要這麼簡略我的問題是這樣 |
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我想這個是也許我們的疏忽我們應該是更具體的更細節的本身來跟委員報告這個是我們應該改進那如果未來或者是我們會後是不是可以提供比較完整的報告就麻煩您了對對對這個我們可以立刻提供其實是有非常細緻的這個謝謝副主委我也要求說這個一定要落實執行那你說要會後提供我資料就請在提供委員辦公室 |
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生產是AI是一個急需投入很大資源的這樣子的一個計畫那高度的整合上下由新興領域所以即使就是說要是既存有規模的系統公司或是IC設計公司要投入這樣的快速的發展領域呢政策的意向跟一定要輔佐以配合的作為所以這個部分呢你們需要提供的你們需要做的部分你們自己也應該知道說在裡面投入的需要所需要的做的投入 |
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那這個部分我要再請教目前已經揭露的政策宣告裡面看不到說建立上下游協助平台以及是否協助建立國際統一標準這個做法這些必要的關鍵作為為什麼你們也沒有揭露這樣的訊息因為深圳市AI其實也是才新出來沒有多久那我們就趕快組織資源那包含之前的那個台德的那個model就建立自己的trustworthy model然後今年也 |
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一一三開始也就有一個大概一億元的這個深層式AI百工百業導入深層式AI的部分那包括一些這個人才的培育那產業應用的擴散那當然就是開發建AI的平台那這個其實都正在走不過因為計畫才剛開始 |
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這個部分你們也有資料可以補充給我嗎?有!那就麻煩了另外我再請教美國國家科學基金會的技術創新與合作夥伴組來拜會我們國科會來交流台美科技新創合作的機會德國的教研部官員跟有德國人工智慧教父之稱的黃斯特也來拜會我們國科會這邊要請教 |
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臺灣與美國的技術創新與合作夥伴屬的跨領域協作培育創新技術的生態系統以及創新創業資源布局目前有什麼成效?臺灣與德國的AI應用在半導體先進製造以及自駕車的合作進程如何? |
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我簡單先說是美國這次NSF這個創新技術署來他事實上也是最近才成立的他也是針對美國是本來基礎科學研究的NSF他事實上是創立了一個希望科學跟創新技術落地這個關係所以這個是他第一次的這次來我們細節可以請我們處長 |
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內景簡短 |
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未來在這個過去臺美科技合作架構底下在德國這個部分呢德國部分可能要問德國的部分我想也許我比較綜合性的來回答跟德國因為德國最近其實不只剛剛委員提到的這個單位其實還有很多包括是德斯頓這個部分的州薩克森這些州都有來他們中央跟地方都有來那針對半導體的部分擴大很大 |
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主席 |
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除了這個我們科技發展的這個策略國家未來發展的方向之外其實我們現在民眾生活日常AI也已經是無所不在那在這邊我要跟您請教 |
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生成式AI以我們現在國內對於AI的監管生成式AI除了文字之外現在很多線上的軟體都有提供生成圖片甚至影片這個服務那行政院在去年8月31號的時候有一個擬定的就是國科會擬定的一個使用生成式AI的參考指引 |
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但是這個指引其實是針對對象是我們行政院以及所屬機關而且主要規範是在生成的文字的部分那副主任您覺得以現在目前現在AI這麼技術這麼發展這麼進步你們所規範的這些內容這樣是足夠的嗎 |
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目前這個指引當然是第一步就是我們先指引後立法所以立法還是真正的目標那我們主委是在上次是備詢的時候也很清楚的指出來我們希望在年底的時候有一個第一步的這個草案歐盟在上週二在上個禮拜4月2號已經通過AI監管的立法他們建立一個統一的法律的框架來維護不管是隱私反歧視消費者保護等權利 |
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同時也規範AI開發商必須要有﹐健全的數據管理﹐人工監督機制以及全面的風險評估﹐還有相關的問責制度他們有設立一個AI辦公室﹐來確保AI法規在各地都能夠有一致的執行﹐而且為公民提供投訴及尋求補救的管道 |
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副主委您剛剛說我們希望在年底呢我們的AI的基本法會有進展那我們是以怎樣的方向會採歐盟的這些來做參考嗎我想歐盟他涵蓋的範圍非常廣從最基本的到包括剛剛講的產業然後提供跟社會的溝通的這個部分都有那我們也會朝這個方向來思考因為歐盟本身他也是經過很長的溝通那提供我們經驗那他可以縮短我們的時間所以這個非常重要副主委 |
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因為其實AI技術它的運用也越來越快那現在手機包括連手機都有經驗配搭AI科技不管是即時通話的翻譯以圖搜尋還有生成式相片那當AI生成式圖片很容易就可以產生的時候相關的監管就非常的重要有這個必要性 |
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目前AI假圖片假影片在社群平台上氾濫使民眾經常被誤導或是會誤入這個詐騙的陷阱所以這邊我要建議國科會是不是也要演繹我們能夠在AI基本法裡面加入關於說社群平台或新聞有使用AI式生成的影像的時候應該就像我圖片上面這樣子的標示 |
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委員報告AI基本法有一個框架式的架構,它後面會影響到後面的作用法的一些 |
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向委員提示也都要放在相關的作用法裡面在細節裡面去訂定應該要規定說有這樣的註記那民眾可以辨識我們在AI基本法通過前的這個過渡也希望說我們格局會跟我們數位部這邊數發部這邊來合作是不是我們可以研議就是 |
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有沒有可以辨識AI生成影像的軟體或是或是如果說有造成民眾疑慮的AI影像圖片在社群平台流傳的時候呢你們就應該及時的來協助辨識來釐清讓民眾知道說這是假影片假消息不會讓民眾有恐慌這個部分你們可以做嗎我們應該積極跟其他部會一起合作來解決這個問題因為這個是跨部會很多的問題 |
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其實AI快速的發展我們也非常的擔憂就是說它技術進展的那麼快我們的法規更不跟得上來不來得及來規範它但是呢就是因為怕它的技術進展太快我們來不及規範它我們更不能實也更不能停留我覺得說我們盡速的建立這個框架才是我們對AI發展的一個負責任的態度這個部分希望你們也盡快這個相關的這些規劃都要做 |
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委員長安 |
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副主委早安那就是上次我們在討論那個台達這個計畫的時候啊是有講到說我們現在正在開發這個所謂的學研版本啊然後它有非常多的不錯的一些功能喔那但是我也發現這個計畫中有一個很有趣的部分也是我自己長期關注的所謂的母語教育的部分 |
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那就是說現在國科會是在建構正體中文的版本但同時也有在使用基於13B的學研版本來訓練台語跟客語的GPT那希望未來可以應用在中小學的母語教育來協助推廣母語教育那這個呢因為在訓練這種語言模型的時候最重要的就是資料庫 |
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8416.624 |
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我知道目前使用的資料庫就有臺灣隨俠資料集還有臺華臺平行語料庫、客委會語音資料庫、客語能力認證資料庫但是我看了就是說我們公布在網站訓練資料幾乎都是整體中文的版本那這樣子的訓練資料量是足夠的嗎? |
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我想這部分當然就是如同委員這個上面寫的這個課與這個部分當然有特殊的這個資料庫我們要繼續爭取那目前我們盡量把已經我們可以授權的部分這個資料庫先放進去而且台德本身的他的這個資料庫很重要他就是希望建立政體本身就反理制本身在這個資料庫本身因為所有的資料庫背後都有社會文化的這個關係嘛所以這個是我們建立台德的部分非常重要的一個部分 |
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具體來講夠不夠是不是可以簡單回答 |
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跟委員報告我想您說的沒錯資料的訓練其實資料量就是最重要的那我們第一步開始當然是先衝正體中文那包含那個台語、客語以及這個原住民母語的部分也有都在思考可是的確那個語料從哪裡來像比如說我們就會找客會會說或者是你們是不是有一些那個語言認證那個就是那就會拉進來 |
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那我們未來還會有更多的訓練資料庫嗎?因為像我像文化部這幾年也產出了非常多的相關的課委會、委員會都有相關的一些教材那這些東西是不是都可以盡快的把它納進來?這個團隊都有很努力在跟各部會的資料的協商但它背後有一些智慧財產、著作權的問題需要解決那這個大概預計是有沒有一個行程的規劃嗎? |
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我們現在第一期是4月底7B會先釋出那案子就差不多...我知道,但是我是針對於母語的訓練的部分如果有新的案子的話,我們就會再繼續找母語繼續再加強這方面的訓練新的案子的意思是什麼?是我們現在還沒有規劃?是未來在規劃的意思嗎?有規劃 |
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在訓練資料中,像是國科會科技大官員網站的資料,我是可以用台語詢問GPT關於科學的知識,然後會獲得台語的回答嗎? |
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我們希望有一天可以用不同的語言來回答但目前可能還沒有那這是一個很好的提議那我們可不可以往這個方向好不好對對對就真的用不同語言輸入然後他就可以回答這個應該是這樣好不好我們往這個方向因為你都已經把一些語言認證的東西都放進去了我們往這個方向來努力這張會很有感 |
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臺語版導入中小學臺語教學應用案例臺南大學將模型出版導入臺語對話生成師AI在人的國小做臺語教學 |
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目前是希望把機器人的對話能力提升到國中、中高中來幫助學生學台語我們現在相關的像客語或是其他國家語言也是有這個方向讓他可以成為來幫助學生學台語的嗎? |
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這個也是有嗎?這個也是有些相關期程已經出來了嗎?相關的規劃目前還沒有我想有很多的應用如果說把這個平台建立起來這個能力建立起來因為我們是建立核心的引擎嘛那輸入重要的資料那這個如果這個起來後對我們就可以跟其他的應用面就可以連結他就可以應用這個資料庫來做剛剛委員提供的這些很多很多的應用面 |
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我想問一下這台AI機器人有沒有辦法導入更多學校?這台的機器人目前只有一個學校,未來有可能...這應該不是我們國科會的...我覺得這是一個方向我們既然要講母語教學,那只有一台...太少了吧? |
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網站上也可以透過,因為這個牽扯到AI的硬體進入學校還要跟教育部連結能不能把這個技術引進到他們常規性的教學工具跟輔助這個當然是一個大方向來講是希望成功建立這個技術以後能夠應用在其他各個部會的面向 |
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OK 好 那這個部分的話我們就來看看之後我們怎麼跟教育部討論好不好就未來的部分啦那就是說因為我覺得這件事情真的非常重要因為從這幾張圖表我們可以看到就是我們人台灣的這個母語台灣人的母語的能力是迅速的流失 |
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所以為什麼我會一直不停地強調我們的母語CHAT GPT可不可以有更多的語言來去支持不管是學校裡在教學也好或者是說有沒有可能在生活裡面也可以來協助因為像我自己33歲開始學台語嘛如果當時有這東西其實對我來說也是非常有幫助啦所以我想要知道就是說我們目前啊這個的CHAT GPT這個台德的GPT抱歉 |
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我們目標是希望可以提升到它的等級,到什麼樣子的等級?因為剛剛是說中高級的國小師資的能力,國小中高年級生的對話能力,我們有沒有可能把它提升到可以做台語師資的能力呢? |
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這個要仔細評估這個都是一個很大的方向但是要做到這一點可能怎麼樣的資源跟各方面但是可以做基本的這些溝通本身應該是最基本的目標啦因為這個也是目前我們已經大概初步的成果那有這個成果以後我們應該是往下進進 |
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金準運科 |
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107年有一個精準運動科學的研究專案計劃因為當時奧運結束不久所以大家都非常關注這件事情那當時國科會也編列了一個4年的2.4億的研究計劃那所以讓我們現在在看棒球的時候我們可以知道說那個球現在投到哪一個位置所以是非常的有趣那有提供了學校做這個智能羽球訓練那據我所知 |
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這個訓練目前好像是已經結束了然後也導入了商業化的使用我現在收到的資訊是這樣現在是商業化的使用但是我希望運科不僅只是要精準還需要到普及所以這樣子的計畫是不是可以落實到更多的基層訓練讓更多的國中小的青少年選手運動員可以來做到這樣子的一個這樣子的科學訓練這可不可行啊 |
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我想跨部會這要透過跨部會的落地核心的技術這邊發展出來應用這個第一期的運科計畫已經出來而且確實有幫助在某些關鍵的這個運動本身的這個幫忙所以如何變成可能要跟我們要其他各個部會要一起來 |
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主席主席 |
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合作呢?就像新豐高中這樣子的案例是不是可以找更多的中小學一起來合作呢?報告委員因為二級運課的一個目的真的就是委員所講的要從運動的專業訓練導向全民其實我們這邊的科研都要用實驗的概念在進行所以第一階段在科研的部分都是以特定的學校然後舉的默契之後進行實驗可行安全之後才會做推廣所以推廣應該是下一期的工作這個一定會做 |
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是第三期嗎?說明還會有第三期嗎?你指的下一期是第三期就對了?我不能保證啦,但是我很期待有第三期對,因為這個部分我們是不是可以來思考把它規劃第三期啦因為你現在那個體育署的計畫他們雖然是有這個運科中心在做可是這個效率實在是目前來說 |
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每年一千個我們總共現在已經有三萬五千個體育班的學生所以我還是非常希望說我們可以來跟體育署這邊一起來討論讓這個運動也要普及讓更多的小孩可以去用一個比較安全而且比較科學化的訓練不要在養成的過程之中就先受傷這部分我們是不是可以來跟體育署一起討論 |
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本來就是會跟體育署一起討論那也跟委員報告就是因為我們在做實驗的階段裡面一定要保證它的安全性所以像羽球羽球是用監測器來測量說它到底能不能有效的增進它的一個效率那所以呢在實驗階段裡面其實是特定學校那等到下一期之後就會等到安全商業化之後其實就真的可以普及因為一定要讓它成本降低才有辦法普及 |
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大學老師在做實驗所以他有特定的實驗室然後在以及到了實驗室以外會有特定的學校 |
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主席 |
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體操主要是以次大的唐家宏選手在做實驗對象 |
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因為剛才是有提到商業化使用啦但是因為我覺得商業化對一般小學來說一般中學來說其實是可能不太有具備這樣子的資源跟資金去做所以我們可能還是要去思考如何提供公益使用的部分 |
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謝謝張雅玲委員我們休息5分鐘 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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主席主席主席主席主席 |
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主席主席 |
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主席主席主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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本來就這樣講的,我剛應該直接講的,不要再亂講了。 |
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主席主席主席主席 |
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主席主席主席 |
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委員會主席 |
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主席主席主席 |
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臺灣的高科技產業臺灣的高科技產業臺灣高科技產業 |
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主席 |
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9331.33 |
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7月11日及11日二天一次會議 |
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吳春成委員 |
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主委請問你貴庚幾歲? |
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我滿60,還沒滿61我52年次所以您的提議很有感有感,已經到了適用的年齡 |
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這個我們的新內閣出來當然其他幾位有年輕化但是呢我們這一個新的院長65歲65歲那你覺得他65 你想像65歲在你們科技人當中你覺得65歲以後要做什麼 |
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65歲應該是相當成熟的一個階段如果在美國他事實上沒有退休的很多到80歲90歲所以我們就叫做AI內閣嘛對不對不是AI啦就是有行動跟創新嘛對不對65歲以後能夠帶動行動創新對不對所以你很認同那我們看一下這個是國科會規劃的嗎 |
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這是大部會,跨部會,但是國科會在主導,對不對?這個是給幾歲以上的人用的? |
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邀請國家科學及技術委員會立法院第11屆第12會議 |
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這就是去年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
所以﹖ |
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9591.387 |
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為什麼標題一開始講左座方向的高齡科技產業我覺得非常重要今天講這個事情實在太重要了因為你們車子已經開下去了然後我看了今天的這份報告裡面你們未來科技的一個布局策略跟布局有關高齡社會的還是只有精準醫療而已其他的都一樣是沒有 |
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阿這個已經講很多次了你看就像這大概就是這個嘛那個普惠科技阿你看他的高齡者的想像的場域就是醫院、養老院、藥局嘛樂齡宅、樂齡大學、社區大概就在這些圈子裡面繞來繞去嘛你們設想他們未來的生活需要在這個圈子繞來繞去吧我告訴你這裡這一些人未來2034年台灣一半的人超過50歲2045年一半人超過60歲整個台灣未來社會就是由這一群人構成欸 |
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9627.69 |
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所以不要講那麼大的講最近你們已經預定在做的一個計畫叫做高齡者數位資源獲取平台是不是國科會在主導這件事情數位部大家來看 |
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我看了以後很擔心我看了以後很擔心你看我們來看就是數位部做的去年的調查 |
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我們現在有500萬高齡者60歲以上的僅有87.5萬在使用網路還有一半的人沒有網路的使用另外一半的人在使用當中有 |
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3成多在使用政府的數位資源也就佔整個如果來只有佔17.5%啦80幾%以上沒有在使用那就在已經在使用的當中我們就在想有這個一半250萬人在使用當中只有3成5在使用那這個要檢討原因為什麼普及率不高另外呢 |
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9734.893 |
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另外呢一半的人我們就放棄他嗎?氣質不管嗎?這招人數未失能那你有沒有想更多的誘因平台你現在在規劃這個東西嗎?怎麼吸引他們來投入就是要思考的問題那我們看看你們現在做的你們現在做出來的這個高齡學期平台的一個的架構這個架構看起來就已經很可怕了因為你的目標照顧有愛高齡無愛 |
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| transcript.whisperx[354].text |
這個有夠LKK的目標設定就錯誤啦他是要美好的第三人生啦所以你看你們那個架構就學習資源然後生活資源就叫老人送餐叫車服務社交就是引髮住宅電心然後關懷社區關懷據點就是搞這一些啦真的是這個要拜託這個 |
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| transcript.whisperx[355].end |
9789.551 |
| transcript.whisperx[355].text |
好所以呢基本上我一直在談的就是現在目前我們國科會我們整個高齡科技看到的都還是銀髮需求這裡還是重調一下你銀髮就是黃色這一邊的藍色啦基本上我想我應該沒有誤解你們啦你們把誤色的然後現在現在的人真的就是已經進入到壯世代你才有感因為你也是壯世代所以一聽你一定會覺得你是藍色這一邊的嘛這些才會讓你心動嘛 |
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這個就是我們現在這個MASL的這個人生的價值層次這一個我們現在說做的就是低層次的生理需求、安全需求直到這個連到愛的需求都沒有尊嚴的需求都沒有上面的所有的需求都沒有你們都做最低層次的 |
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現在勞動部非常的號召壯士來重返職場那這個是21世紀高齡勞動是主流是非常重要的全世界朝著立方講數位勞動也是主流 |
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那所以如何讓高齡者能夠數位化這是應該列為國家重大政策嗎應該是國科會重中之重非常重一半人口欸這一半人口這一半氣質不管我不曉得還有什麼更重要的事情 |
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所以至少啦其實這個大有檢討的必要回去可不可以重新來思考這個架構因為照這個架構走下去我覺得真的是完蛋了國家就完蛋了所以現在國科運業上次我就有跟我們主委提出你們願意做這個需求調查嘛正在進行中啦但是呢 |
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是不是把這個勞動因為勞動部在談這個再就業那高齡者要進入這個數位就業他所需要具備的能力到底有哪些需求包括資源整合至少這個要先擺進來可不可以我們就在積極的賦農這個部分要加強 |
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接下來請萬美玲委員 |
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有請林副主委 |
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主委好,整個早上大家都非常關心今天派你代打在這裡那本席是覺得,第一個你對這個主委真的是不太關心那包括他去這個行政院院會今天不能來那在行政院院會是一個非常重要的會議那其實據今天我們委員會去了解行政院院會並沒有國科會相關的業務那或者如果現在是有的那就顯然相當重要為什麼你會不知道我們主委去行政院院會開的內容是什麼 |
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我知道他去行政院院會但是我這幾天非常認真準備要到這個教委會來所以也許有所疏失本市委你這個答案勉強算給你得分喔代表你都非常認真喔但是呢你真的還是要關心一下主委啦因為我們主委在長國科會這段時間我覺得他表現得不錯那每次來教委會這個答詢的時候其實我想教委會的委員對他也是蠻肯定的 |
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那這段時間我們要關心他呀他會不會是現在心情不好還是這個在貧富當中那又或者是說這個充滿精神朝夕活力要準備到下一個那個部會去那又或者是說這個他現在是非常平淡準備這個不如歸去了那我覺得大家共識這麼久你要關心他呀你不能只關心你自己有沒有來這邊備詢的狀況好不好你覺得本席這樣說你能不能接受我可以接受我回去會特別關心我你會不會改進啊 |
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關心他一下好不好那他的心情如何我們非常的這個關心他心情如何目前我的理解還是非常積極在做他現在應該要做的事情對那我覺得為什麼要關心他那一方面當然是他過去的表現很好我們也希望那他將來有一個好的出路 |
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但不論如何我想現在如果國科會目前是處於一種主觀動盪的狀態但我們底下的團隊我們還是要照表超客該做的事情還是要把它做完來那所以我想在這一波的人事當中有人說他應該是不會留任當然也有人說他希望留任下來但是我們現在看起來好像報導上指出有個成大的副校長叫做郭耀煌他出任的機會是最大的您跟他熟識嗎?你覺得他適任嗎? |
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政策推動絕對不是單一的人我想主委花很多時間去各界的溝通所以我想這個政策本身的延續性應該是有一定的 |
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佛祖惠,國科會的業務相當繁重,不管是經創法案、AI基本法、AI運用、太空產業發展等等。 |
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主觀在動盪,我們的心要穩住該做的工作要把它做好來接下來跟您討論,我想太空產業發展的重要性吳正宗主委曾經說過國家發射廠要在今年年底來選定 |
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臺東或屏東的使用年限很長不管是地理物理或環境影響都要做全面的考量也要相當未來的一個擴充性所以才這麼久現在到底會在屏東還是臺東與地方溝通的情形這兩個地方有沒有一個進展 |
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目前事實上在2月6日我們召開第一次審查會了然後對條件評估就如同剛剛委員講你還有很多複雜的比如說在地本身也要說一些溝通所以現在還沒有確定我們現在還沒有最後確定但是事實上有一些就跟主委上次講的那個空間跟物理的限制那意思是說跟屏東跟台東都有並行的進行溝通是這樣嗎對 |
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對,那第一階段來講的話就是我們的這個發射場的條件在2月6號已經通過但是就是說現在還需要跟地方的溝通在物理條件上面以台灣的東南這個可能性最高 |
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副主委,這個溝通其實也是溝通很久了啦那因為今天時間也有限我希望本席會議之後您能來說明一下為什麼溝通這麼久到底遇到了什麼困難啊你剛剛所說的這些要點我們都知道不會叫你貿然決定啊但你溝通也很久了所以會後我想來進行一個說明這樣好不好那再來喔 |
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國科會為了發展低軌通訊衛星編列高達69.4億自行研發兩顆低軌通訊衛星之前太空中心吳宗信主任說預計2026發射第一顆B5G低軌通訊衛星請問副主委現在的進度是不是如期發射? |
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目前應該是在這個進度內而且我想補充說明一下它其實不只是第一個衛星的發射還有包含地面通訊設備這個很重要發射去了以後你要整個系統整個完整才能夠如期這樣很好另外據本席瞭解現在我們研發兩顆B5G的衛星本體的部分我們太空中心現在沒有問題但是呢 |
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請問一下這個消息是不是正確? |
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這個消息是對的嗎?是 |
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沒有錯,是不是?那到底發生什麼情況?為什麼公園院在當初你們這個信誓旦旦的我由公園院做說我們有自行這個做好的能力現在為什麼會這樣?什麼原因?請您講重點這個低軌衛星的這個通訊投載是國內第一次做那公園院承接這個這方面的研發在經驗上的確是比較有不夠的地方所以在時程上面稍微有點延誤 |
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好 那真的是非常遺憾那所以我想請教一下那現在我們要這個邊境費來採購那採購的進度還有預算那是多少錢 然後進度另外 那你現在因為要兩個這個衛星的這個籌載那你是要先買一個然後另外一個繼續等工研院還是怎麼做 |
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第一顆衛星我們會先用外購的方式外購籌載的方式來進行目前還在跟廠商研議所以相關的價格跟這個時程還要再跟廠商做研議那第二個部分是供應院的部分會持續再進行只是他這部分會延後到比較後面再去發射 |
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我聽起來是沒有掌握性啦就是說當初信心滿滿給工研院做當然我們知道很多的計畫它是會有一些變化的那但是呢現在您在這裡碰到這樣的狀況工研院自己研發不出來那我們甚至於現在無法掌握那後續他要怎麼去做那到底有沒有能力做這一點呢我想會後 |
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副主委還是要來跟本席跟我們教文委員會報告清楚而不是說他現在已經做不出來了我們再給他時間繼續下去可以還是不可以備案是什麼那這個部分的話是不是會後的時候再來跟我們做詳細資料的提供跟說明可以嗎是是沒問題那另外我想再來一個我們要建立完整的太空產業鏈人才的培育是最重要的副主委同意嗎是沒有錯 |
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沒有錯所以國科會跟我們各部會的合作在112年已經招收太空相關研究所60名的研究班的學生所以今年國科會編列了1684萬6千元的預算要來進行太空相關人才的培訓主委請問一下這個預算你現在計畫上是預計要培養培訓多少太空產業的人才 |
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目前這是從學校的太空基礎人才那其他還有其實經濟部的比較是直接產業的這個連結還有事實上是教育部的基礎人才都有所以不是只有教育部在這個我非常清楚我現在針對的是國科會1684萬的預算所以你不要講別的地方我相信其他的地方還是有100多位117位左右 |
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目前112年的學度分學程是117位 |
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目前你整個計畫我們給你的這個太空基礎人才培育的預算數你這邊寫的1684萬然後要培育1830人本期看到這個數字的時候其實非常讚許大大的讚許我覺得各部會要來向您學習一下是怎麼做的就一個人9000多塊錢我們就可以培養我們太空基礎的人才可不可以說明一下因為這個可以各部會要跟你取經一下 |
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是,因為那個委員這裡包含我剛剛講的是114科學的基礎科學學分的部分那還有比如說產業的部分也有這些太空產業專班這裡面也有等等加起來還包括其他的這個科普的講座跟其他的這個應用、衍星應用的部分這整整來講加起來那也許我們更應該把那個細節的部分要提供給 |
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副主委 因為這個數字很簡單啦我相信亮眼的委員來看都知道說這真的是一個神機啊 非常厲害喔那但是我要講的是說我們既然有心要培養太空基礎人才要認真做 不是呢 有一點點預算 然後做一個計畫這樣子是我跟你講做不成的尤其我們培育人才需要時間 需要經費喔這樣子是 我認為啦 是非常不好的所以我們希望 我們 |
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謝謝萬美玲委員再來請范雲委員 |
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林副主委、陳主任 |
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委員好副主委早安因為我想面對強震那國科會如何協助科技防災是我今天想問的主題因為我自己其實也做過莫拉克風災的災後重建的研究那當時也感謝國科會的計畫支持所以跟國際學者我們發表了至少有三篇的英文的期刊論文 |
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所以後來我就在想說其實國科會下面有很多相關的研究我們如何能夠在執行面上更協助我們這個國家從防災到重建的部分至少我覺得當時的研究成果就是好像並沒有機會就是純學術的內容沒有機會能夠貢獻在就是我們的重建的執行面中那就了解 |
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目前其實在傳統上防災這件事情覺得是一個比較科技跟技術的問題 |
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在任性防災這個概念整個社會的支持網絡各方面在防災救災的部分是扮演很重要的角色所以我們現在有一個任性防災的專案計畫那裡面事實上也有很多跨領域的人一起來合作所以這個部分事實上我們會朝這個方向 |
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這也許是副主委可以思考的好不好 |
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這次發生在花蓮國際上稱讚說我們很有韌性可是以我過去服務花蓮4年有一部分是因為花蓮真的常常遇到震災所以他們相對的準備加上地廣人稀就是相對來講災情雖然還是非常的遺憾有13人罹難然後1000多人受傷如果發生在其他的地方我覺得可能就是說 |
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所以國歌會有沒有辦法準備得更好是今天我想請副主委想的那當然就是說我有看到你們其實在去年有啟動一個災害防救韌性的科技方案是三年的計畫那有好幾個課題我覺得第一個災防數位轉型那這部分非常好還有風險的評估還有城鄉防災的韌性 |
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所以針對這幾個部分我想問一個問題因為這次很多人抱怨說警報沒有收到然後後來我們的氣象署是告訴大家說因為預期就是沒有達到標準是低估了 |
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那這個部分我知道你們的災害防災中心也有在協助我們氣象署的可是我們看了一下就是這其實符合了你們的PWS的警報的發布標準那不知道在你們的協助下為什麼我們一般的民眾就是所得到的這個氣象署的資訊還是沒有警報呢這部分不知道副主委或者是主任有沒有答案我們請主任說明一下 |
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委員好我想PWS它是由各個主責機關剛剛您提到的七項署它依照我們在2021年5月1號的規定也就是規模五正度四它會發布當然有很多地方很可能很多民眾有很多抱怨我怎麼沒有收到呢為什麼會低估 |
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就是說他在預估的模式裡頭啊很可能某些地方啊他需要精進的地方所以這部分是氣象署嗎就是說你們沒有辦法再協助他們更精進這個預測嗎當然大家有一起討論啦我會提供一些意見給他們那當然我想這個是一個跨部會啦那但是我們認為國科會這邊下面應該是要有我們全國最優秀的相關的地震預測 |
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如果它是一個科技估算的問題的話我想國科會可以更積極的跟他們合作那也希望副主委關心這個問題那加強我們相關的研究資源跟能量因為我們這個警報系統是好的可是預測低估就非常的可惜好不好那這是第一件事我想你們既然是說有在協助各部會然後在做預測的工作尤其是災害防治中心就是做這個所以這應該要強化 |
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2.假消息 |
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那這裡面我去訂閱了臺北跟新北的相關訊息包含停班停課我想先問也許副主委不知道主任可以回應那當天像新北是那個假訊息的那如果訂閱你們新北的停班停課會收到嗎? |
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會收到什麼結果?我想如果他主責單位也就是新北市政府他沒有發布這個訊息我們不會發布所以你們並沒有發布我們並沒有發布那我覺得這樣非常好至少如果訂閱你們的就不會誤解因為我們辦公室有助理差點路上要回家了因為在路上看到說新北停班停課那的確有新北來上班嘛那我想的是說這邊是不是可以考慮再加一個假訊息啊? |
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當然就是說這是你們的專業你們可以評估一下因為我這邊有秀出說其實這非常好有這麼多可以訂閱包含台鐵的事故停班停課像我就訂閱了就是地震跟停班停課臺北市跟新北的訊息那這邊如果能夠有一個假訊息的話我覺得會更集中因為像我們假訊息我也訂閱了政府的那個假訊息的部分那如果能夠整合在防災的假訊息中你們可以考慮一下你們的APP要不要加這個部分好嗎 |
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非常謝謝委員的建議,我們來鼓勵一下,謝謝那另外我也覺得你們的APP就是做得不錯可是宣傳的不夠廣從你們的網站要到這個訂閱中間沒有那麼的清楚那請問一下你知不知道你們這個APP有多少人訂閱呢?158萬,到目前為止158萬,所以佔我們的人口的百分之多少? |
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我想啊這個LINE他是一家公司嘛那他提供給我們的是一個公益的帳號158萬我們可不可以測試一下我們現場有訂閱這個在國家災害防治中心的LINE的舉手好嗎 |
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趙偉好厲害 趙偉有訂閱所以我們現場這麼多資訊充分人都還沒訂閱是不是可以再推廣一下當然我覺得介面還可以再去思考怎麼改善比如說我想要讓我的家人訂閱然後分享的東西都設計得不是非常的清楚相比一下我們訂閱其他的其實還可以更好一點好不好 |
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因為我想它會是一個非常好的防災的精確的訊息而且有很多的選項那這是好事那可以做得更好那再來這是我剛剛的假訊息問了那最後我也想問這個偏鄉的部分因為我非常關心花蓮雖然我現在服務的是那個桃園的南邊那我想看到這一次包含就是有西寶國小 |
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主席 |
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國科會的協助策略目前能做的是什麼那有沒有什麼改善的空間我想整體的偏鄉災防我舉一個比較具體的例子就是比如說這個地震的這個偵測器本身我們已經在前幾年有地震中心直接在比較偏鄉比較小就是東岸本身的學校那中小學的學校就設定因為他必須要在快速之間學校如果學生上課的時候要丟出來 |
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所以就災防的部分我們會針對特殊的需求去做科技的資源這個部分所以是全國都有嗎花蓮也有它是針對比較特別的就是說它需要這是比較危險的地方因為花蓮本身它是地震非常高這地震中心也許沒關係我們下也許有些資料可以提供給委員這是一個部分那整個重建的策略我們當然是配合整個行政院來做看看在技術上或者是在其他的科研的部分是不是可以去配合 |
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是,沒問題 |
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這兩點部分是不是請副主委責成還是防災中心還是其他的部門那在多久之內可以給我們辦公室一個初步的報告好嗎 |
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謝謝范雲委員 |
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林依瑾 副主委 |
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今天我想我會排定這個題目針對國家科技發展策略及布局那我想我對於太空的發展更是更為關心那因為我覺得太空發展它確實是一個國力綜合的展現 |
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那世界各國也有投入很多的資源在太空產業上那既然太空產業那麼的重要那所以本席今天本來就很期待說我們要看到太空中心的主任這個火箭阿伯 |
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那可是吳主任今天為什麼沒有辦法出席那就是因為他參加了這個在美國的這個太空年會2024的太空年會代表台灣去那我想這個一連串的這些這個跟太空中心的訪團在美國的一連串的行程我想這是對於台灣的太空的發展 |
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第16次福爾摩沙7號計劃指導委員會會議是39年來第一次台灣獲邀 |
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中國卻缺席今年中國則是再次的缺席我想台灣民眾或許對這樣的議題這樣的年會相對也不是很熟悉不過這其實就是一種集合全球太空發展的人才頂尖的人才的一個聚集的難得的場合 |
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我想中國近年來積極發展太空產業我們都看得見美國也相當在意中國的太空產業的發展光是美國對中國太空發展的回應本身這件事情近年來還被成為論文的題目所以美國對於中國的太空發展 |
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主席 |
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我想太空不管是科學或是產業它現在已經是一個國際戰略的重要性它牽扯到整個地緣政治跟國家之間的連結那在台灣也把太空中太空本身的一些技術關鍵技術也納入國家的核心關鍵技術這個部分那產業的部分也是一樣就是一定是高度管制的一個領域所以我想說台灣在這個地方一方面發展自己的關鍵技術之外 |
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也應該要積極參加國際的這個連結因為你只有參加國際的連結在共同價值的這個聯盟之下你才有辦法進入那個最最最最尖端的這個部分的這個這個我想說這個社群裡面那我想這個目前來講我想太空中心或是國科會還有其他各個部會都積極在往這個方向努力 |
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那中國缺席這個年會我想一定反映出這件事情的地緣政治性那好那剛剛陳培宇委員有提到去年的7月吳政中主委就有特別表示說針對第三期國家太空科技發展長城計畫 |
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2023年即是去年年底就會提出方案．並且會把計劃時程拉長到2031年當然為了因應低軌的通訊衛星的布陣．以及整個商業化的快速變革去年10月蔡總統也公開表示說．第三期國家太空科技發展長人計劃要加碼． |
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無中信主任也有說要結合台灣的半導體的優勢創造整個完整的產業鏈打造入軌的火箭拼個6年7年然後要載著這個台灣的製造的衛星進入低地球軌道 |
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那開發新領域新產業我們就是最怕沒錢沒人才可是台灣既然資金啊人才都有了年限也拉出來了那為什麼我現在看不到國科會比較具體的工作計畫那沒有計畫那實際做事的人就會被綁手綁腳那在工作上我覺得也安排上也會欠缺穩定性所以想要請問副主委說 |
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原本去年底就該跟國人報告這個太空發展計畫那到底什麼時候要提出並且送交行政院那我再強調一次計畫時程年限都拉出來了那什麼時候要送交行政院那國科會難道說到了今天還沒有任何的規劃跟評估嗎所以我這樣問好了就是說副主委你認為什麼時候什麼時間點送交行政院會比較適合 |
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具體的內容應該這個都很具體在溝通那現在當然是跟各個部會的溝通因為很多事的項目執行項目是其他各個部會我想項目的部分應該是很具體的不然不會直接說拉到2031那至於具體的時程部分是不是我們剛剛也回答另外委員說我們要加速那把些具體困難是在哪裡我們應該去加速這個部分那我們是不是有個時程剛剛也可以有個時程 |
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主席 |
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11580.287 |
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11597.591 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
那國科會從2018年11月我們就開始推動這個精準運科的研究專案的計畫那協助選手在國際賽事奪牌那我從奪牌的比率上來看台灣的表現確實十分亮眼我們在東京奧運只有68個選手參賽拿下了12名的獎牌那這個獲獎比率高達17.65%我們比日本澳洲都還高 |
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這除了歸公體育署的黃金計劃以外我真的覺得運科的資源跟經濟功不可沒今年7月底8月初巴黎奧運即將登場我非常期待說我們的運科可以來協助我們的選手表現更上一層樓想要請教是說我們科會跟 |
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國科會有沒有跟運科中心的資訊來流通掌握到最新的情搜數據運用在科研上來協助本屆巴黎奧運選手? |
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我想運科中心是非常重要我們的合作夥伴尤其是在正式成為一個鋼藥計畫的時候這個部分我們更積極了他成立了一個運科中心那我們也事實上積極的不管在資料跟技術的運用部分都有跟他那是不是可以講比較具體的一些項目 |
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因為運科中心剛剛成立還在建設當中其實國科會的二期運科一期運科已經有相當好的成績如果有人所知道的我們這邊的定位跟運科中心的定位是我們這邊是負責上游的一個科研運科是實際運用在運動員的身上我們這邊的科研成果除了運用在運動員身上之外還會往外延伸到全民這個是我們目前的布局 |
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OK 那我想現在因為已經進行到第二期的這個精準運科研究專案計畫那我們既然有拿到奧運的門票的項目可是有些卻沒有被納入這個研究項目像社籍啊 輕艇等等啊所以才要請教說那未來我們到底會不會擴大這個研究的項目那預計擴大到哪些項目那後續還會再規劃推動這樣的一個計畫 |
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因為我們過去是用公開徵求的方式那盧委員所講的如果某些項目是缺乏的我們會主動來規劃這個我們會把它記在心裡對 像說設計我們的成績都相當好那所以這個部分可能來做一些評估 |
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那我想我們台灣的科技確實是在世界上有目共睹那現在AI的運用在越來越豐富的狀況之下我覺得如果運用到運科上更直接的讓運動員甚至在有運動的社會大眾的這些百姓接觸到AI帶來的便利 |
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所以我覺得本席很期待國科會能持續掌握運科這個科研然後跟產業界跟學界合作讓運動科學成為台灣的驕傲好不好那我想最後再利用30秒時間就是說我們強調一下我們AI的這個發展跟監管其實相當重要特別是監控管理的部分那所以我覺得怎麼 |
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補足AI風險的自我控管跟資訊的如實傳遞這是我們要非常的小心的首先我想我當然很肯定那個國科會我們都有採納委員們的建議所以我們有進行具台灣特色的AI對話引擎的開發不過 |
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這個網路資訊那麼龐雜那我們又受境外勢力的網路攻擊非常嚴重所以要如何確保AI的使用不與台灣自由民主憲政的體制相違背或者如何在前端接受資訊與運算的同時就排除掉台灣政治自由不利的思維我想這個 |
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臺德部份 |
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好!好! |
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主席 各位委員 有請這個 |
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林副主委,有請林副主委 |
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好,我們看這個,謝謝這個還是科技部的時候﹖針對太空發展法﹖還有科技部短期科研﹖探空﹖火箭發射場域作業的指引﹖都能夠因應研究民主的需要﹖包括相關的法律﹖能夠做配合的來修正﹖ |
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這個要感謝那我們看國科會這個組織法第二條對於國家科學發展技術研究應用政策還有應用的計畫各方面所以國科會非常的重要這個第8條這邊也是特別提到 |
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因應全球科技快速的發展然後怎麼樣去協助然後你們要聘用相關的這些各方面的人才所以給你們很大的空間這個可以用這個不用公務人員的資格就可以聘用所以要去善用 |
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當然這個AI內閣在52年之後事實上本席針對原住民族的語言也特別提到這個AI族語AI技術的系統的研發而我本席在去年就開了兩次協調會所以未來如果人民會有需要或是這個需要你們的協助的話也請你們協助好很重要的這個 |
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國科會過去比較少去這個被諮詢或是主動去參與我們看這個這一次的地震零四零三的地震發生然後這個整個交通我們就講這個北迴鐵路蘇花街蘇花公路 |
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有這樣的一個狀況而我們這個蘇花改蘇花改是109年1月前線通車那這一次發生地震造成相關的這些有一些人的死亡或者是說這些這個造成交通的中斷主要是在 |
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還沒有改善的蘇花公路還沒有改善的蘇花公路蘇花改基本上都OK沒有問題所以交通的建設透過科技的配合是可以解決交通的快速然後包括人員的安全但是常常會說到什麼呢 |
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委員會主席 |
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蘇發改109年1月通車總共花了9年的時間施工從施工到通車花了9年我們看這個蘇發安現在還沒有蘇發改完成之後還有一部分是蘇發安因為它是分段 |
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蘇花改基本上是先做了比較當時比較危險的地方比較危險的先做了也就是比較困難的先做了那蘇花改應該是比較容易蘇花案應該是比較容易的但是呢按照這個期程要花很長的時間要花11年如果按照這個期程的話要花11年 |
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而且還會拖延今年2月20日環境部環評有意見還要補正比較容易的還有意見這個就是為什麼要在這邊質詢就是要請國科會要去協助環境部然後去說明也是協助 |
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這個公路總局去說明要說服這些環評的人員和環評的這些委員真的是一個我們看北回鐵路這一次北回鐵路副主委包括我們國科會的所有的官員北回鐵路0403 |
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發生事後前面檢查停止前面檢查凌晨檢查完畢OK完全沒有問題北威鐵路喔都沒有問題喔北威鐵路什麼時候蓋的這麼早以前的你想想看1980年正式舉行通車 |
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所以透過這樣的科技的發展是可以解決交通的問題而且是安全的不會受到任何風災地震的影響從過去到現在再怎麼樣的災害都沒有影響所以這個部分我們去講無效了但是國科會去跟環境部跟這些環評委員去講 |
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會有效,可以嗎?是,我們會盡力配合其他客戶部會的需求提供技術方法。這個是很重要的,當初只有花6年喔!你現在看,1980年代啊!6年啊!而且是最困難的,它是整條線喔!等於樹花紅加樹花改啊,整條線喔! |
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好 謝謝主席 這個國科會有請 |
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林副主委今天的主題是產業發展跟國家科技的布局我想產業發展跟科技布局應該是息息相關副主委不會反對這樣的概念本期過去在當議員的時候曾經去貴單位下轄的竹科管理局做參訪 |
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根據本期參訪的經驗竹科管理局招商開發租稅都有一定的中央的優惠而且由中央主導,廠房只租不賣的這個模式其實運作的還算非常的成功因為這些特殊的優惠其實是人人呈現的模式某一些層面來講它的招商甚至都是廠商主動希望來跟中央來做合作也會比地方單純要去做產專園區來得順利的許多 |
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主席 |
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OK 那本席就要進到今天的第一個主題就是談桃園龍科三級擴大的這個後續這個看起來之前因為有一些政治的一些波瀾本席在那邊講得清楚一點我是反對政治介入也反對用這樣的題目來做政治宣傳但是該照章辦事還是要照章辦事嘛龍科的擴大案它有它區位上的優勢嘛對不對 這個國會不會反對嘛所以現在這個案子有沒有繼續再進行 |
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持續在研究然後對他的範圍本身也在做檢討那細節是我可以請好簡單說明一下我們有些時間 |
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這個案子仍然持續在推動我們目前積極跟當地居民溝通那跟市政府也有一定的常常密集的開會跟市政府現在運作、對接、討論還順利嗎?需不需要我們協助協調?應該不需要,因為已經開過三次工作會議順利就好,對不對?如果能夠順利地化解這些土地徵充的一些障礙,對不對?那台積電應該還是有機會回討,對不對? |
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副主委覺得有沒有機會? |
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好的環境就有機會好的環境有機會對不對沒錯齁因為這個也不是我轟你們啦對不對這個你們在媒體受訪的時候應該也有很清楚嘛所以講說第一個因為抗爭一度所謂的放棄那其實只是誤解嘛對不對還是積極的在做溝通嘛不管是竹科管理局桃園市政府跟地方都在做希望可以把這個事情圓滿嘛可能會稍微縮小一點開發面積去剔除那個人口稠密跟百年老校的這個部分齁但是還是要做 |
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因為它的區域條件其實是好的如果做得好 做得順利 可以按照軌道進行的話臺積電重新將榮科三期的擴建 列入1奈米新建的考量這也是你們國科會講的現在進行的進度當然前面因為政治爭議 有一點點小耽擱你下面有沒有預計的時間表比如說大概什麼時候取得完土地或怎麼樣 |
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我們預計5月及7月各召開一場公聽會．9月報酬設計劃．明年起花2年的時間．通過都計、環評等16年就可以來 |
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所以其實跟你本來預估的時間其實是沒有差對不對?你本來也是抓差不多116年的時候進入正式的土地徵收程序對嗎?當然嘛那過程中有經過溝通對那你前期溝通的完整的時候相對來講後期推動的阻礙就變小嘛所以還是照116年進入土地徵收的程序在進行對嗎? |
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好 這個我希望這個大家積極一點因為我想我剛剛講說中央出資的科學園區的模式其實大家都喜歡的也可以符合你國科會做整體的產業科技布局是最符合這樣子的一個政策精神的所以希望就照章進行 好嗎好 |
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那第二個本席也要藉這個機會來跟國科會來做討論就是說既然我們了解到這個產業園區跟科技園區其實都有缺地的問題那本席在這邊提個概念就我們桃園的航空城其實是有非常充沛的這樣子的一個土地資源那目前優先區就是蛋黃區的部分已經大致完成所謂的用地取得但是除了蛋黃區之外還有蛋白區 |
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所以本席在這邊做一個考量是不是能夠用中央出資源地方出土地因為現在不管怎麼樣這個蛋白區的徵收本來就會由桃園市政府來照章來進行大概也是在116、117年左右會有一個進度那樣子的土地就不是像農科擴大一樣你要從頭開始去寫計畫而是桃園市政府基本上把前面的土地徵收問題全部處理完之後如果有好的產專園區的用地是不是國科會這邊中央跟地方可以來合作開發 |
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導引中央的政策優惠．然後讓這樣的土地．可以符合國家對於科技產業發展的需求．國會對這樣的概念的看法是什麼目前我們對可能的土地都有做可行性評估．當然土地的使用的成本各方面．所有其他的部分包括周遭的環境都會納入考量那航空城這個部分應該目前也是有初步的評估 |
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這段講不清楚對不起我說航空城這個部分我請那個我們局長稍微說明一下好再說明一下航空城因為土地也比較貴啦齁那我們優先龍潭是因為龍潭一期二期就在旁邊嘛對三期一期擴建對廠商來講群聚效應比較好一點 |
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沒有啦我今天不是講說要選二選一的問題因為你講缺地是全台大家共同面對的問題我認為這兩岸其實是可以並行的那也不一定講說一定是台積電嘛我們有這麼多不同的科技產業大家講說AI等等其實未來有非常多科技產業有發展的這個需求那就配合各個產業用地的區位的優勢啦由中央來做主導來做合理的安排 |
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主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[484].text |
臨附請中嘉賓委員 |
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主席．在場的委員先進．列席的政府機關長．官員．會長．工作夥伴．媒體記者女士先生．有請林副主委和南科局的蘇局長好 有請林副主委蘇局長委員長副主委早 局長好 來 我們來看一下太空教育資源這個標題錯了 |
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12790.835 |
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平東縣政府為了推動太空產業還簽署一個人才培育MOU這個照片是我們周縣長帶著相關的主管到休斯頓去簽署一個MOU包括了民間企業跟人才培育國科會能做什麼 協助地方政府 |
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12792.436 |
| transcript.whisperx[487].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[487].text |
請教副主委,太空中心能協助中小學的太空教育嗎? |
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我想委員提出一個非常重要就是我們事實上是太空中心跟科學園區這兩個東西能不能夠專業結合在一起來那針對當地的整個需求我想這個應該我們是可以支持的好來我來考一下科學時中我們叫平科時中啦平東科學園區實驗中小學今年要正式招生入學了 |
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12856.792 |
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預計招生目前幼稚園、國中小、高中部加起來預計要招生這麼多,超過700人平科時鐘今年招生的時候,你看看這個照片目前平科時鐘還在興建校舍這是暫時借用大人課大的智慧教室看起來是不是很有我們太空時代的感覺 |
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| transcript.whisperx[490].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[490].text |
請問有什麼資源可以導入呢? |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[491].text |
科學園區實驗中學適用教育部所訂定的實驗教育三法 |
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| transcript.whisperx[492].end |
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我之前問過 蘇局長有沒有印象 沒有印象他不是用實驗三法他為什麼不用實驗三法 我們來看一下他是根據什麼設立的他是根據社管條例對 你明明叫做實驗中學可是你是根據社管條例請問教育部的實驗三法 國科會有看到嗎法條上為什麼叫做實驗中學 你要實驗什麼 |
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你的名稱有實驗中學啊,你要實驗什麼?你又不是用實用三法,實驗三法,你要實驗什麼?你,能不能試著回答一下,從竹科時中開始這個因為立法的背景不太一樣,科學園區設置管理條例很早就在立法,然後他那時候有實驗中學早於實驗三法的實踐啊,好,所以我們要問了,副主委,現在有實驗三法了,實驗校有什麼好做?告訴你,實驗三法有三種 |
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一個是學校形態的實驗教育．一個是公私立學校委託私人辦．一個是非學校形態的實驗教育．科學時中可以用什麼．可以用學校形態的實驗教育的實施條例．這叫實驗三法．包括目前屏東原住民鄉的．摩爾國小．還有苗栗的玄仁實驗中學．這都是學校形態有功力有勢力．有包括你的師資來源．你的教育理念．你的教學場所．你的課程設計．簡單講 |
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目前如果科學時鐘可以實現三法．你的課程、課糠．就不受到現有的．這個12年一貫的一個限制．你的師資．也可以不受教師法的限制．這對於後來我們要談的事情很重要．副主委有沒有概念了．有概念了．好那我來往下找．來我們告訴你．什麼叫做創新的科學時鐘． |
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其實你們科學職中目前只有兩個地方不一樣第一個你們設在科學園區我們假設來科學園上班的人都非常的科學非常的先進非常的不同第二個因為這些人可能來自很多國家所以他是有雙語部除了這兩點之外科學職中有什麼實驗性質嗎 |
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沒有啊 雙語不可以啊你有實驗什麼特別的教學教法嗎 沒有啊所以那時候我在教育委員會就質詢了我們希望怎麼樣你除了影進太空課程之外 線上課程有遠距生不限定在評科時鐘裡面的學生你的師資你可以從休斯頓去找老師不受我們目前師資法的規定你可以用海外師來進行遠距教學 |
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副主委這樣聽起來有沒有覺得有吸引力了就非常具體有吸引力好那這樣只要你責成一件事情國科會能不能將更新的教學方法或內容引進實驗中小學呢就要請你去評估用科學評科時鐘開始來試驗試用實驗三法創新教學方式並導入太空課程你就可以要求我們南科學來做一個這樣的一個評估嗎是我們可以評估局長可以嗎是 |
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13077.686 |
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報告委員我們可以評估看怎麼融入這樣的精神來使用那需要跟教育部協調的時候我來協助因為實驗三法學校型態的實驗教育必須有一定的一個規格那我那時候盤點過那個規格目前評科時鐘還差一點點副主委到時候如果請來教育部寫協調您願意一起參與嗎可以 |
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規格上是因為實驗中學他有學制很多規模也比較大他不是用這個實驗形態的學校不過這個精神我們是可以融入在實驗中學裡面學校形態的實驗教育要有一定的人數規模目前科學之中的招生人數還沒有到達但是因為他未來設定的編制元額是到達的這一點我會來協助由國科會跟教育部共同來 |
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13112.305 |
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平刻時鐘成為第一所優先適用實驗三法的科學之中好不好 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[502].end |
13113.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[502].text |
主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].start |
13142.128 |
| transcript.whisperx[503].end |
13165.531 |
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好 謝謝鍾嘉賓委員好 林副請坐好 我們再來請邱志偉委員邱志偉 邱志偉委員不在我們請蔡易瑜 蔡易瑜 蔡易瑜委員不在我們請何新淳委員何新淳 何新淳委員不在我們再來請楊瓊英委員 |
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13176.562 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].end |
13178.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[504].text |
謝謝主席 邀請副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].start |
13184.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[505].end |
13188.394 |
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4月1日開始漲價這次漲價用電700度以下調漲5%700度到1000度調漲7%1000度以上調漲10%所以總共全台有13400 |
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13207.637 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].end |
13208.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[506].text |
臺積電當然要調高最多是25% |
| transcript.whisperx[507].start |
13237.718 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].end |
13253.017 |
| transcript.whisperx[507].text |
在這樣的一個情況之下對於中小廠商影響就很大所以本席要請教在這一次的電價上漲幅度對於我們科研區內的廠商影響有多大 |
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13253.958 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].end |
13276.096 |
| transcript.whisperx[508].text |
我們國科會非常關心這個問題我們有做一些簡單的估算這個估算是不是可以請簡單來請做說明報告委員因為那個用電電價調整按照他用電的多少會有不同的幅度當然那整個來看平均幅度還有12.7%對相關的經費我們大概初步估算大概每個月大概會增加大概16億元左右的一個每個月大概16億元 |
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13277.938 |
| transcript.whisperx[509].end |
13295.899 |
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光光你自己本身科研區裡面 你們所增加的這個也是非常大的一個數字不只是廠家 所以在這樣的情況之下本席要請問那4月份已經漲了 所以我們積極趕快提一個9月份不能再漲啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[510].end |
13307.636 |
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在今年的非常年現在還在院會裡頭就等待要再做協商副主委是不是支持9月份的天價不能再漲 |
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13329.902 |
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這個我們沒有辦法我們希望也同時去推動節能輔導跟綠能推動節能輔導當然每一天都要推動嘛長期而講所以在你剛剛說的是受影響嘛那受影響今年要怎麼度過9月份不能再講目前的影響在科學園區裡面應該還是在可控制的範圍 |
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13330.802 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].end |
13331.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[512].text |
9月份政府不能在場 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].start |
13345.939 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].end |
13346.879 |
| transcript.whisperx[513].text |
這次強振有沒有受影響? |
| transcript.whisperx[514].start |
13370.547 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].end |
13387.724 |
| transcript.whisperx[514].text |
盤點的結果怎麼樣水電的部分這次尤其剛剛委員講強調的電的部分這次沒有斷電我們這個部分事實上有雙迴路不能斷電啊你要斷電就事情大條了這個就是穩定性非常重要它的韌性非常重要對這個部分 |
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| transcript.whisperx[515].end |
13389.365 |
| transcript.whisperx[515].text |
主席主席主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].start |
13406.03 |
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13406.19 |
| transcript.whisperx[516].text |
委員會主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].start |
13430.618 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].end |
13437.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[517].text |
這個在我們進行探盤查的時候跟探權到目前為止都不是很清楚所以廠家很緊張那要怎麼樣讓我們的企業不再探焦慮呢所以副主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].start |
13446.139 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].end |
13468.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[518].text |
針對於我們減碳淨零的相關議題你怎麼樣來協助我們所有的科技產業因為2050年淨零碳排這個大家全球的一個目標所以因此在我們碳費的收益比當中我們在新科技的投資當然非常重要 |
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13469.46 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].end |
13492.306 |
| transcript.whisperx[519].text |
但是您跟環境部有沒有去協調．未來的比例要怎麼做．把這些碳費的比例．能夠加注在我們這一邊．請做說明我想回答前面就是科學園區本身這個部分．我們很積極去協調．然後協助他們事實上對整個碳費本身．這個帶來的本身的衝擊．跟盤點本身這個我們有積極協助 |
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| transcript.whisperx[520].end |
13507.211 |
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那整體來講我們當然也很希望一定程度能夠有足夠的資源來支持未來的進行科技創新那這個部分才能夠長長久久讓整個當然知道所以本席告訴你這個是目標設在那裡嘛那我們要怎麼樣去跟政府談判你們的橫向談判談了嗎有跟環境部談了嗎 |
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| transcript.whisperx[521].text |
委員會主席 |
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13536.369 |
| transcript.whisperx[522].end |
13540.813 |
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還是期許你務必要跟環境部要趕快去談因為現在環境部也還沒有定案他也資料都還沒有完整在這個時間點就是我們最重要的關鍵點你們必須要積極去談他的碳費比例可以多少提撥過來給我們這樣才能夠扶植 |
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13559.631 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].end |
13560.151 |
| transcript.whisperx[523].text |
最後一個議題人工智慧AI昨天公佈 |
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13586 |
| transcript.whisperx[524].end |
13609.712 |
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准總統公布他說是要AI的這個團隊我們還以為這麼非行欸但是不是他是行動TIFA跟Innovation的他是行動跟創新不是你的人工智慧啦所以呢在人工智慧AI的這個這個席捲的全球所以人工智慧法 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].start |
13610.932 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].end |
13613.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[525].text |
政府預計在年底提出 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].start |
13640.552 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].end |
13641.954 |
| transcript.whisperx[526].text |
主委上個月告訴我們說到年底會拿出來,現在的進度呢? |
| transcript.whisperx[527].start |
13660.454 |
| transcript.whisperx[527].end |
13672.845 |
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請做說明各位報告現在進度現在就是除了參考各國的立法的一個內容以外呢我們現在進行的跟業界跟學界在溝通持續在溝通當中 |
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13673.626 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].end |
13673.666 |
| transcript.whisperx[528].text |
主席 |
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13703.557 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].end |
13703.977 |
| transcript.whisperx[529].text |
政政前委員不在 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[530].end |
13738.515 |
| transcript.whisperx[530].text |
今天登記質詢委員均已發言完畢另有林倩啟、陳冠廷、邱志偉委員提出書面質詢關於今天會議做如下決定一、報告及詢答完畢二、委員所提書面質詢或相關資料列入記錄並刊登公報 |
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13740.216 |
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13751.763 |
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3.對於委員質詢要求提供相關資料及未及答覆的部分﹐請相關機關盡速書面答覆報告文會﹐今天議程處理完畢﹐現在散會﹐謝謝各位 |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[532].text |
委員會主席 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].end |
13795.759 |
| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
委員會主席 |
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13810.866 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
13811.046 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
主席 |