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| 委員名稱 |
鍾佳濱 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:36:34 - 12:47:10 |
| 影片長度 |
636 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、委員陳菁徽等20人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員黃捷等22人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
五、委員范雲等16人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
六、委員林楚茵等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員王育敏等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十、委員林月琴等17人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、國民黨黨團擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員洪申翰、范雲等21人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員林淑芬等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員張雅琳等21人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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二、主席、在場委員仙靜、列席的政府監事長、官員、會長、觀眾、夥伴、媒體、記者女士先生,有請邱部長。來,部長,這個為什麼要擔接出來,人工生殖法競速完成審議,你同意嗎? |
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支持嗎?我當然支持有共識的趕快完成存益那接下來你就等於回答第二句了求同存益代理孕母脫鉤處理好那就是脫人工生殖跟代理孕母到底什麼關係我們來看請問一下部長人工生殖就是等於代理孕母人工生殖的話解決了問題是不是就等於代理孕母所能解決的問題 |
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等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案 。 |
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我們過去也感謝你過去到屏東來看我,選舉的時候你知道我們這區域的位啊,雖然是做立法委員,跟電影的問題差不多啊,齋氣喪出酸啦,暗時喪入洞房啦。我們常常會說一句話啦,就是說祝新郎新娘百年好合,早生貴子。你怎麼會聽人家這樣講?現在很多人這樣講,新郎新娘我們祝你早生貴子,我們都很尊重。 |
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我們會問什麼?新郎說:「你有暗算要生幾個?替你老伯老婦、那個長男長女也跟你問一下。」新郎都會說:「這要看他的意思。」所以我們後來會問什麼?問新娘:「你有暗算要替你的家庭生幾個嗎?」這什麼意思?在生育這件事情上呢,女性才是主導者,你同意嗎?你老生幾個是你家庭還是你母家庭?當然是我母家庭。是嘛。 |
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所以人工生殖可能遇到的問題男女性都有對不對但是代理孕母真的完完全全是以女性的權利為核心是不是這樣子那如果有人主張說我們要讓人工生殖來解決一些因為沒辦法自然受孕的一些需求那他需要用人工生殖你支持嘛對吧 |
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但是說代理運母這個欸好像大家有不同意見喔我們暫時脫鉤你認為這是政治問題嗎?什麼叫政治問題? |
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等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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現在這些版本只要是民進黨的委員有沒有代孕通通沒有民進黨的委員的提案立場很一致從頭到尾從過去到現在都沒有支持代理孕母你覺得什麼原因你猜猜看為什麼民進黨都而且毫無疑問的我看提案委員好像沒有看到男性只有這個郭國文搞不清楚自己性別跑去連署黃秀芳的 |
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為什麼?為什麼?我們兩個都是男性,我們來討論這個議題有點尷尬為什麼都反對?來啦,我再詢問一個問題啦生育是天賦人權,但是婚跟育有必然相關嗎? |
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但現在去解除,阿尊說新娘大肚,你會這樣講嗎?以前都不敢講啊,以前都是婚紗弄到蓬蓬啊,還有呢,有時候司儀還開玩笑,誒,走下去洗衣服的新郎,看他好嘞,有新啊,在這裡就轟轟大笑。 |
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但現在不一樣啦!現在如果說是什麼?我們遇到這種主持喜宴的時候喔!相異臨盟喔!甚至有時候新郎新娘結婚啦!伴郎是自備阿!阿不是!花童是自備阿!你有對得很平衡嗎?有有有!現在現代社會,我們說多子多孫多夫妻都沉浮了過去了!我們現在婚姻跟生育有必然要在一起嗎?沒有結婚怎麼會有孩子啊?你會接受嗎? |
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三、委員黃捷等19人擬具 «人工生殖法部分條文修正草案》案。 |
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你會接受嗎?如果你自己的家長你可以接受因為我沒有女兒啦我不知道你有沒有女兒啦但我相信現在社會婚育是脫鉤的往下看所以現在我們看到人工生殖法為什麼這要討論為什麼要趕快通過 |
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因為我們婚姻已經平權了,但是人工生殖法還寫什麼?夫妻。現在婚姻平權我們要什麼名詞要定義才正確?是不是要配偶?是不是這樣?是不是這樣?不對嗎?所以人工生殖法這第一條要修正嗎? |
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配偶嘛!配偶來取代夫妻你支不支持?當然要修正草案。對嘛!這個要符合我們法制一直沒有,再往下一條,再往下一個。另外呢,其實啊,婚育脫鉤,其實因為懷孕的是女性,是母體。居然我們看到有個中國女企業家,欸她就要求小孩啊,她求了四個欸。企業家,女性企業家生小孩有人會問她說你結婚了沒有嗎?寶丁你告訴我聽人家講。 |
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以前有一個跟高鐵有關的一個大型的工程公司的一個董事長,他也是一樣啊,他有小孩啊,你有跟他問說你記錯沒有?你有這樣問嗎?不會嘛,沒理由嘛,你問這種啊,是不是這樣?好,但是問題是為什麼代理運母,大家這麼多人反對或有爭議?我先問你,部長你喝過咖啡嗎?你喝過色香貓咖啡嗎? |
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等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員陳菁徽等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第2會期社會福利及法制委員陳菁徽等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第2會期社會福利及法制委員陳菁徽等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第2會期社會福利及法制委員陳菁徽等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立 |
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我平常是沒吃過松露口味冰淇淋而已,我沒吃過松露。色香貓咖啡很珍惜,自然取得非常難得,我們愛好咖啡的人,假設都喜歡。但是後來我看的時候都很發現說,喔!色香貓咖啡不可以泡菜喝,它跟什麼關係?因為現在六大國家知道色香貓咖啡很流行啊,它把色香貓抓來關在籠子裡。 |
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每天強迫他吃咖啡豆,他自然吃飽了脹脹的就排出來嘛。那你就會這樣排出來的麝香貓咖啡豆,你忍心吃嗎?有沒有對麝香貓有身體上的影響?不自然。所以說,連動物權我們都要維護了。所以為什麼麝香貓咖啡豆會產生這樣的一個情況呢?因為商業化。 |
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如果只是一個自然的環境原始部落的人檢視到色香貓咖啡豆自然排移的那很自然但是為了廣大的商業市場需求他去捕捉了色香貓強迫他產出這就是商業化的後果不然你知道我這樣拐了一個大彎你知道為什麼代理孕母引起女權、婦女權益重視婦女權益者的一些疑慮了吧 |
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再下一頁。你還知道喔?了解喔?所以我今天呢,不是建議你以後不要喝色羊毛咖啡。我還建議你啊,審慎的去看一下這麼多版本的人工生殖法為什麼民進黨委員所提出的沒有代理運母?因為三個原因,第一,生育是天賦人權。第二,婚育是脫鉤。第三,不可以用商業化的方式造成人權的侵害,你同意嗎? |
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我再講一次齁生育是天賦人權你同意嗎?同意我們人工生殖法透過技術的改變解決這個需求你同意嗎?同意那婚育是可以脫鉤處理的你同意嗎?我們人工生殖法有沒有限制在婚姻關係裡面才可以從事?有沒有規定?沒有嘛但是最後我們就擔心的是什麼?這樣的一個醫學技術如果被商業化 |
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我再問一下,抱歉,在我村區裡面,我有個村民過去都要洗身,一段時間沒看到,回來去就好,問說你最近去什麼?他說出國渡假,你怎麼去哪裡渡假?我們事務委員都知道,他去對面渡假,幾個月後換一個郵寄回來。這種事情,我們在社會裡面都知道他的痛苦,他的無奈。 |
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但是他為什麼沒有在國內做?因為國內的器官移植是很嚴格的規定。我有一個很認識的好朋友,年事已高,比我年紀還大的媽媽,為了自己的孩子,為了自己的老公,我忘了是老公還是孩子,我真的忘記了。這都很重要的一個人。他把他的腎捐給他。那是親人之間的互助。一旦商業化,你覺得會不會有風險? |
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會不會有風險?當然會有風險所以說嘛我們沒有反對任何可能性但是人工生殖既然急迫需要解決一些人的問題但是不能解決所有人的所有問題是不是我們人工生殖法繼續推進但是有商業化把母體商業化風險的這個代理孕母我們暫時的求同存異脫鉤處理你支持嗎? |
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我應該從來沒有喝過。我也五年沒喝咖啡了。 |
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