| IVOD_ID |
157890 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157890 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-05 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-05T12:14:20+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-05T12:25:40+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:11:20 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/66a8e59aed318d218733435f777d178ba99904554a4baaac06b08ba57c1938fd7e402dd021e2a3415ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:14:20 - 12:25:40 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、委員陳菁徽等20人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員黃捷等22人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
五、委員范雲等16人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
六、委員林楚茵等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員王育敏等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十、委員林月琴等17人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、國民黨黨團擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員洪申翰、范雲等21人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員林淑芬等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員張雅琳等21人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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來,謝謝主席,麻煩有請部長。委員好。部長好,我相信為了人工生殖法跟代理孕母這個嚴肅的課題,衛福部過去這段時間做了很多的研議跟努力。在面對這樣嚴肅的問題的時候,事實上, |
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我認為任何一方都不應該幫另外一方可能不同觀點的人強加帽子這樣不好因為這樣子只會讓台灣社會更加的分裂沒有助於公共政策的討論我為什麼語重心長的用這樣子的方式來開場我先請教一下部長那個 |
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我沒有辦法按嗎?Sorry不好意思部長請稍微等一下沒問題沒問題我為什麼這麼語重心長的開場我在回溯我們立法院我們的整個國家針對有關於人工生殖跟代理育母整個發展立法的推動公共政策討論的歷程當中 |
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當初2002年提出人工生殖法草案認為應該要贊成代理孕母是基於人權保障的包括了我們現任的總統賴清德我相信賴清德總統當初在擔任立委的時候在人工生殖法裡面贊成代理孕母一定是本於良善的初衷 |
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他絕對不是因為要去物化我們女性的朋友或者是要侵害我們女性的人權而提出這樣的法案部長你認同嗎?我認同你認同嗎?這是因為這個樣子啊所以我真的覺得在討論這個課題的時候我們大家就事論事 |
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針對代理育母可能會產生不管是對於未來的子女還是代理育母還是有需要的婦女們彼此之間的利害關係怎麼樣好好的、審慎的去思考才是一個健康的態度也正是因為這個樣子部長您知不知道針對代理育母的議題我們國家舉辦過幾次大型的公民審議會議 |
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據剛剛大家幾位委員的陳述大概有兩次一次是2004年一次是2012年這不是民意調查這是一個審議式的民主討論的會議兩次會議的結論基本上面都認為說我們應該有條件的開放 |
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只是說我們在討論公共政策的時候我們要比較細緻的去討論在什麼樣的條件下適合在什麼樣的條件下可以充分的保障人權這才是討論公共政策應該要有的基本態度去年大選的時候台灣民眾黨的主席柯文哲在11月7號提出了政見他說代理育母要納入人工生殖法 |
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這是我們台灣民眾黨的政見我們向來的習慣是我們開出了支票我們就會履行所以陳昭智委員他秉持他一貫的信念他也提出了修法的草案柯文哲主席在11月7號宣布了以後馬上看到11月8號我們衛福部 |
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馬上緊跟著宣誓代理育母要納入人工生殖法的修法。部長,您認為前任的部長在去年宣誓說代理育母要納入人工生殖法的修法,他是在侵害我們女性的權益嗎? |
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我想謝前部長是一個婦產科醫師也是一個很有愛心的醫師我相信他是站在怎麼樣來關心更多人民的心情來這樣的一個作為好,從去年 |
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我們就延續到了今年嘛今年五月這個是由衛福部預告的草案這不是台灣民眾黨預告的草案我們的衛福部預告的草案說了什麼他說為了讓無子宮因子宮與免疫疾病導致懷孕或分娩將產生嚴重危害及生命安全的婦女以及我們同性婚姻的朋友們能夠 |
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借由代孕生殖技術的協助達到生育子女的目的,保障他的家庭權,維護代理育母、代孕生殖子女及委託方三方的權益。這個是衛福部所公告的草案嗎?是,在5月14號公告的。衛福部當初在公告這個草案的時候,是為了要侵害我們女性朋友的權益嗎? |
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當然不是這樣的目的啦是希望去解決去幫忙更多的因為我覺得齁在討論這麼嚴肅的公共政策的議題的時候我們在心態上面啊要趨於和緩 |
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擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案．事由．審查�� |
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我們整個歷程看下來整個社會都知道這是個嚴肅的問題我們要保護小孩子也要保護女性也要兼顧其他真的沒有辦法有生育能力的國人同胞大家共同的權益在這樣子的基礎上12月的時候 |
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讓大家真的蠻詫異的我們的國建署署長早上才說沒有預設立場到了下午馬上改口說要脫鉤處理這個政策急轉彎的大轉折部長到底是怎麼回事 |
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是的,我還是要跟委員報告,那個其實在公告預告以後就聽到很多當然反對的聲音,那所以我們在部裡面其實一直在研議,沒有說急轉彎,但是我們還是希望原來用公告的版一直討論,討論繼續討論,那到最後的確是發現 |
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我聽到您的想法了啦那可是我也想利用這個質詢的機會 |
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讓你聽聽另外一邊不同的想法因為也有長期在研究這個議題為了這個事情在努力大家都很尊敬的都很尊敬的在一屆這邊的研究同仁說 |
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站在一屆的看法,事實上大家是希望說有好的配套措施以後能夠趕快進行,否則的話真的遙遙無期啊,不曉得要拖到什麼時候啊。我希望這一方的聲音衛福部也能夠聽到,不要有任何的預設立場。 |
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524.993 |
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因為陳美洲醫師是我的學生,我也了解他在不印證方面幫忙我,他是不印證醫學會的理事長。在不印證方面也幫我們在試管、嬰兒方面貢獻非常的多。當然在婦產科醫學會方面就有比較中立討論的聲音,所以我們都會聽所有的開放的 |
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525.913 |
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530.354 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
擬具、「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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560.445 |
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這個都他說的啦我字都全部標起來了我不會去隨便捏造人家沒有說的話啦好沒有關係啦最後一點時間我提醒部長一件事喔 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
561.61 |
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584.263 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
昨天我問你,針對有關於國外醫科牙醫學歷的採認,你在這邊承諾我會維持2017年最嚴格的標準,你還記得嗎?是的,絕對記得。但今天本土小牙醫聯盟又開記者會了,說你們現在的醫師法施行細則大開後門。 |
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601.678 |
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大開後門跟你當初所講的維持最嚴格的標準他們認為是一場騙局啊你有沒有什麼話想說?報告委員這個部分吼我們他的確在之前有這樣的疑惑也畫了很多重點 |
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602.499 |
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624.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
那我們有一次左院長請他們大家還有幾個代表到來談那當時有針對這個細則我想意思是有很做很詳細的一個跟他解釋那如果說未來還有真的覺得不放心的地方今天早上10點開記者會我從頭到尾都聽完了所以你講的是跟人家解釋的很清楚是發生在什麼時候 |
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| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案案 案件 等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案 案件 等19人擬具 |
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642.298 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].end |
646.501 |
| transcript.whisperx[28].text |
擬具 «人工生殖法部分條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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673.416 |
| transcript.whisperx[29].text |
他們如果所提出來的質疑衛福部覺得有誤會的,就要去說明清楚。但是如果真的有問題的,恐怕衛福部也要重新的再斟酌啊。是的,沒問題,一定這樣做。OK,好,謝謝。好,謝委員。好,謝謝黃委員,謝謝部長。 |