| IVOD_ID |
15789 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15789 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-08 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-26-11 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
11 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-08T08:30:48+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-08T13:01:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:30:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/bfaf9b39ac01a685307cb56df1ecea52247fba16bfc1c1c43be8d109af184be4a863a53b8e8d8d0d5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-08T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第11次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部、行政院人事行政總處、銓敘部、教育部、國防部就「安心生養！試辦彈性育嬰假及如何提高男性育嬰留停比例」進行專題報告，並備質詢。
【4月8日及10日二天一次會】） |
| 委員名稱 |
完整會議 |
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08:30:48 - 13:01:00 |
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本集完 |
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主席 |
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初席委員已主法定人數現在開會請議事人員宣讀上次會議議事錄立法院第11屆第1會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第10次全體委員會議議事錄時間113年4月1日星期一9時至13時53分 |
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地點群賢樓801會議室出席委員陳昭芝等15人列席委員王宏偉等28人列席官員衛生福利部部長薛瑞元等相關人員主席王兆吉委員喻敏報告事項宣讀上次會議議事錄決定確定邀請衛生福利部部長環境部行政院食品安全辦公室行政院消費者保護會臺灣燕酒股份有限公司就蘇丹紅小林制藥紅麴原料以及保齡茶式食物中毒案 |
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等重大食安事件之檢討與策進作為進行專題報告．並備質詢。本次會議由衛生福利部部長報告後委員陳昭芝等27人提出質詢軍經衛生福利部部長、行政院消費者保護會處長鍾瑞蘭及經濟部商業發展署副署長劉雅娟及各相關主管等及其答覆 |
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委員秋正君及王宏偉所提書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報決定一報告及詢答完畢二委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料者請相關機關於二周內以書面答覆委員令要求期限者從其所定通過臨時提案實項宣讀完畢 |
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請問委員會．上次一事錄有無錯誤或遺漏之處?沒有。好。那一事錄確定．本日會議議程為．邀請勞動部、行政院人事行政總處、銓敘部、教育部、國防部就安心生養．試辦彈性育嬰假及如何提高男性育嬰留停比例．進行專題報告．並備質詢。現在介紹在場委員及列席官員。陳昭之委員。 |
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林月琴委員王振旭委員好那我們現在介紹列席的官員勞動部部長許明春許部長勞動力發展署蔡猛良署長職業安全衛生署周子蓮署長勞動基金運用局蘇裕清局長勞動關係司王厚偉司長 |
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1971.56 |
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勞動保險司陳美女司長勞動福祉退休司謝倩倩司長勞動條件及就業平等司黃維琛司長行政院人事行政總處培訓考用處陳月春處長權序部權審司王永大司長法規司雷誠司長 |
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退府司陳韻竹科長教育部人事處王崇斌處長國民及學程教育署古明哲主任國防部人事參謀次長是人事管理處孔乃德處長 |
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資源規劃司人力資源處檢任專門委員林佳敬專門委員好那現在接下來請勞動部許部長報告時間5分鐘主席各位委員女士先生大家好今天本部應邀至貴文會就安心生養試辦彈性育嬰假 |
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及如何提高男性育嬰留停比例．進行專題報告．敬請委員不吝指教．以下僅就提供安心生養環境．試辦彈性育嬰留停及如何提高男性育嬰留停比例說明首先是提供安心生養環境之上 |
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依信公法的規定,受僱者如了產檢假、陪產檢及陪產假、安胎休養請假、產假、育嬰留子停薪及家庭照顧假等需求皆可依法申請,僱主不得拒絕。今年為給予育兒父母更多的支持,除了產檢假提高為7天陪產假 |
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修正為賠產檢及賠產假並調整為7天外．育嬰留停上也放寬父母可以同時申請。就業保險法也在98年5月增列育嬰留停津貼的給付．讓勞工在育嬰留停時經濟生活可以獲得支持並穩定就業。依規定育嬰留停津貼以月投保薪資60%計算按月發給每一子女合計最長發給6個月。 |
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第二個部分是提高男性參與育兒比例首先是放寬育嬰留停彈性從110年起大幅縮短育嬰留停的門檻原來一次至少要6個月以上改為只要30天就可以提出申請 |
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雖然近年出生嬰兒數仍下降但從110年申請門檻放寬以來到112年抵制相較修法以前女性人數增加11%男性增加61%少於6個月的短期育嬰留停女性增加37%男性則大增為 |
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從數據來看對於促進男性參與育兒已有成效第二提供育兒父母經濟支持政府為了鼓勵雙親共同擔負養育子女的責任及強化勞工育嬰留停期間的經濟支持從110年7月1日起另以公務預算加給兩成育嬰留停的薪資補助讓留停期間的薪資替代率可以達到平均月頭保薪資的八成 |
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110年7月到113年2月抵止受惠人數一共是243,000餘人補助金額是89億5千萬餘元於留停機今天也體貼民眾的需求從111年1月修正後父母可視需求 |
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同時或分別請領各6個月的津貼以鼓勵男性參與111年1月到113年的2月同時申請育嬰留停並請領津貼的人數是2萬餘人 |
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又請本部積極推動相關新措施．從110年7月起到113年2月止．相較實施前同期．男性勤領與留停津貼人數增幅為60%．以全體申請的比例來看．也從109年的18%提升到112年的25%． |
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第三個部分是試辦更為彈性的育嬰留停本次試辦的重點新公法雖然已經將育嬰留停的門檻降為30天但民間仍有更為彈性的期盼本部在今年1月邀集公司部門討論彈性育嬰留停的可行性與會代表建議實施試辦應給予一定的空間不要有太多的強制性 |
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源於113年的3月15日定定彈性育嬰留停事辦原則實施對象除了邀請經濟部、交通部等所屬事業機構衛福部所屬醫療機構及勞動部附屬單位外並含請工商團體、科學園區工會及銀行業工會徐邀有意願的事業單位規劃不少於5天的育嬰留停但事辦單位如果願意定定更短任數的方案更為歡迎 |
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事辦期間勞僱雙方的權益勞工部分受僱者參加事辦期間可以繼續參加原有的社會保險並且同樣享有津貼達投保薪資八成的經濟支持僱主部分原有僱主負擔的保險費可免於繳納令如有短期人力的需求可以定期契約來禁用替代人力提升參與事辦的誘因 |
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第一,我們優先媒合育嬰留停的替代人力。勞工育嬰留停期間的替代人力是企業營運上的主要問題。雇主若有短期人力的需求,除運用救福機構的推介服務外,本部的臺灣就業通 |
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亦有線上短期人力的媒合功能將全力優先提供服務二、試辦成果納入相關評選及表揚參加試辦單位試辦成果可作為本部國家人才發展獎工作生活平衡獎及國家職業安全衛生獎的參選事蹟另將盤點其他部會的相關評選 |
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協調納入評選的項目是滾動檢討彈性育嬰留停事辦為了進一步收集各界對於事辦的意見本部在113年的3月28日邀請婦女團體開會討論針對事辦原則將研議適當的參與幼嬰滾動修正內容希望透過勞動實務現場的運作務實來了解問題作為未來政策的參考 |
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為了促進僱主營造更友善的職場生養環境本部將持續加強宣導支持勞工兼顧工作育兒及家庭照顧以上報告敬請各位委員及先進指教謝謝 |
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有關本次會議各項書面資料均列入紀錄刊登公報現在開始詢答做以下宣告本會委員詢答時間為6加2分鐘列席委員4加1分鐘10點30分截止發言登記 |
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委員如有書面質詢請於散會前提出預期不受理暫定10點30分休息10分鐘原則上11點30分處理臨時提案10點30分截止收案那現在請登記第一位委員陳昭芝委員發言謝謝主席有請了部長,請許部長 |
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好部長早安部長請問你有沒有聽過一句在網路上廣為流傳的一個順口溜叫做十萬青年十萬肝雞雞輪班救台灣這一句話他談的就是我們當然對這個臺經濟對臺灣經濟發展的貢獻沒有人是否定的但是就是說某個程度這個順口溜也代表了就是說事實上就是有很多年輕人新鮮的肝 |
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因為熬夜輪班換來的一個成果那近期那個張忠謀董事長他因為在美國亞利桑那他設廠但是他因為勞力短缺他的進度整個是落後的那他在接受媒體採訪的時候他就提到說他無法理解為什麼美國年輕的員工他對於這個工作跟生活品質要求這個平衡的一個態度就是work and life balance的態度那我想請教部長 |
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您對這樣的說法,您的想法是什麼?報告委員,我們勞動部一向主張工作跟生活要平衡。工作的時候我們當然也要努力,但是適當的休息,讓生性能夠達到釋放這個是應該的。 |
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謝謝部長,部長我講兩個小故事給您聽我服務的醫院正對面就是過去長期服務就是一個非常非常有名的電腦公司有一年他們全部的員工在我們醫院做健康檢查結果我們發現他的健康檢查數字是滿江紅 |
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那另外我要談這個台灣的健保台灣的健保如果你問全民的這個滿意度大概都9成以上可是如果你只調查醫療人員醫事人員的就是醫療提供者大概滿意度頂多3成這是比離死盪還遙遠所以就是說當事人提供這些服務的時候他們認為是用他們的血汗 |
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去撐出的這個奇蹟所以就是說那當然早期的那個住院醫師你知道住院醫師早期包括我以前他們當年一個月值10幾天的班那是沒命沒力的去值班當然他們學習很快也付出很大但是現在連住院醫師都列入這個勞基法了那當然張忠國理事長他的想法我老實說我可以理解我可以理解可是時代不同了那就對於這個大企業家他其實發表這樣有時候不是對 |
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您對於捍衛勞工他們追求比較他期待的生活方式您的想法或是你們會不會站出來捍衛這個勞工的期待對生活的跟工作品質平衡的期待 |
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因為工作與生活平衡一向是勞動部的一個政策的重點那我們其實也都鼓勵這個企業主能夠讓勞工有適當的一個休閒甚至要提供一些紓壓的一些課程然後讓勞工能夠 |
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謝謝部長您就強調說是要一個堅固或平衡的一個想法不過早期很辛苦白手起家的企業家他們當然經歷不同時代不同他會有不同的想法部長我們回到今天主題很多雙薪小雙薪家庭他不敢生孩子我們先撇開這個經濟因素當然雙薪相對他的經濟因素可能是少一點點但是您覺得他們還是不願意生小孩部長您瞭解他們最主要的理由可能是什麼嗎就是雙薪家庭他們還是沒有要生孩子這樣子 |
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部長您談得非常正確第一個據我們了解整個收集資料第一個就是時間都給了工作因為這個根據媒體報導很多家長的共同困擾就是說他們因為要兼顧工作跟家庭 |
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所以他們覺得陪伴孩子的教育或成長的這個時間是有限沒有辦法很完整那即便交給這個保姆等等他們還是會擔心環境跟照顧的這個品質另外就是說他白天都付出給工作嘛這是我們的責任 |
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但是回到家裡說老實說很多工作不能完全排除你在下班時間以後還是必須做你工作上的某一些支援跟回應這是第一個就他們覺得在時間上沒有辦法大概都給的工作比較多的比例第二個就是請假的這個困擾跟不便性例如說剛剛您也報告到育嬰假但是我知道育嬰假因為相對長嘛所以他回到職場上 |
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他不一定能夠回到他比較期待的那個職位雖然職等的他必須他有權力復職但是有時候是有一些困難還有孩子生下來了他需要照顧他會發生一些額外的需要照顧的這個壓力所以這些都會成為就是說生育孩子養育孩子的一些顧慮跟這個阻力那現行的法規是性別平等工作法第16條孩子3歲以前可以請育嬰假但是老實說孩子3歲以後還是會有一些額外 |
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你需要照顧的這個需要額外的照顧嗎所以這是第二件事就是說他們對於請假過去大概就會用試假啦特休來處理就是說請假的困擾不變是第二個第三個我認為時代是不同的現行的制度下是不是可能會加一些幫助生育孩子的一些 |
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但是我的孩子是生30萬孩子但去年部長知道生了13萬多的小孩所以我是覺得各部門是不是應該在現有的工作制度下加一點幫助讓他們願意生孩子幼嬰尤其這個育齡族群他絕對是我們整個生產力的主力 |
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那他們生小孩這個孩子是有孩子是讓我們國家繼續壯大永續的一個非常重要的因素所以所以很多的調查都發現說沒有完善的這個育兒配套措施確實是跟增育率的這個有正相關正相關的這個很多研究調查都證實所以部長人口負成長已經成為我們的國安問題那去年出生我剛剛提到才13萬多人 |
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那對於已經出生的孩子我們也就是國立出生但已經出生的孩子怎麼樣幫助父母親在職場工作能夠有完善的照顧跟陪伴這也很重要請部長看一下右邊這個表這個是去年八月TVS他用social lab去查這個所謂的網路的那些聲量的就討論的排行榜 |
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職場父母育兒六大困難你可以看到第一名就是缺乏時間陪伴孩子這個占最高排行第一第二個是育兒政策配套不完善那還有保母的問題另外甚至有很多是女性她還在思考我是不是要離職來當一個全職媽媽這幾個因素也讓部長做參考部長這個現行有兩個法條居然是父母有義務跟責任一個就是幼兒教育及照顧法第41條 |
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他說家長父有參加教保服務機構之幼兒及親子活動的義務第二個教育基本法規定家長父有輔導子女的責任那部長這個法律您知道嗎就是說當爸爸媽媽是有責任有法律責任的但是大部分他們參加這個都是透過私人假期或試假參與這個親子活動所以部長我們可能某個程度要 |
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幫助他們來解決因為時間有限我們再看下一張有一個東西叫做親職活動親職教育親職教育是一個名詞就是說我也是這樣這次才學習就是指為人父母要學習教養子女的一些教育課程內容包括正確的親子關係父母職責的認識親子溝通的教育跟方法瞭解兒童所面對的社會問題去解決他自我成長等等 |
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但是面對這些也許學校老師非常努力非常認真去籌辦這些輕職教育的活動但是希望能夠提高家長的參與率但事實上家長的出席率還是不高那主要是他們不敢請假或未必就是說也不方便請假那輕職教育假是有他的意義跟這個責任那部長您是不是支持有這個輕職教育假那個是法規規定的輕職教育假過去沒有的輕職教育假其實 |
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對,剛剛我特別只是說他是有一些內容的、內涵的對,其實報告委員其實對於就是育兒或相關孩子照顧的我們現在其實有一些價別是可以運用比如說有這個家庭照顧假他有時候是要參加因為大部分都是會在假日或下班您提到家庭照顧假我再給你下一張就是我要談 |
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家庭照顧假應該要個案事實進行合理認定再給予重寬認定而且不要併入事假但是現在的時代生活形態不同會有新的狀況比如說之前疫情期間比如說小孩有一些感染就是說他可能會需要一些額外的 |
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我覺得這個是可以討論啦有些輕職假就是家庭照顧費他其實類似可以運用到輕職的照顧上面去那有些我是覺得可以與時俱進來檢討 |
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我們可以要講因為時代真的不同我們現在真的是缺小孩嘛下一張最後一張就是說我們在看現在就業保險法裡面他照顧的對象包括事業給付提早就業獎助津貼職業訓練生活津貼育嬰留職津貼失業人保險等等津貼但是剛剛我這個前面都提到一些他輕職假津貼輕職教育假家庭照顧假可不可能在這個現有的這個就業保險津貼裡面把因為時代所需要 |
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加入這幾項來做考慮因為我們本黨大概會提出相關的法規相關的草案法規那我不知道勞動部有沒有在準備這個事我覺得假設假設把它放進去會讓家長覺得說我如果來配合這些活動的參與跟學習這是一種責任跟榮譽而不是說我要被扣薪的那種負面感受我覺得對他們要願意養育孩子這種意願 |
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應該很正面我想增加相關的這個津貼來支持這個方向我是覺得是可以來討論但是就是說如果是以舊保的財源來看我是覺得這個問題還是會在財源的問題因為我們在舊保在支現在是育嬰留停是佔了我們的大宗44%以上44%將近45%失業給付佔了43%就是說我們現在 |
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謝謝部長,了解財源是一個問題,但是時代不同原來舊保的目的是失業給付的一個財源,但沒有關係,這個我們一樣支持,但現在我的意思說如果整個要擴大到金質價,今天其實是不夠,因為我們現在每年的結餘大概 |
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拜訪議員 |
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接下來請陳金輝委員發言 |
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上週三地震 |
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但勞動部反應非常的快勞動部馬上發了一個新聞稿提到說假使是因為交通問題呢不可以歸咎為員工的事情而遲到僱主不應視為遲到或曠職但是工資要照給要看與僱主自己協商部長你覺得 |
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如果100個僱主有幾個他會主動跟員工協商說好我們這個是有新的假期報告委員因為這個天災是不可抗力雙方都不可規則所以法律才會這樣規定但是我想一般僱主也是會體恤勞工的話應該都會給 |
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我先幫您做一個表格因為像上禮拜三我們在 |
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這邊開會就有許許多專家學者因為是從南部過來因此延誤了4個小時以上但我也有收到陳情他是被列為半天的市假所以一個勞工這樣子半天的市假就消耗掉了所以剛部長您提到的說您可以體諒僱主大部分都會都會體恤員工而給予薪水但實際上的話我想如果您沒有具體去規範因為 |
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好 這我們來討論齁 |
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再來這邊也要鼓勵部長說我們很快就啟動了天災臨時工的措施這個非常好因為我們可以提高當地的經濟還有就業率讓當地失業的受災者有工作但是我們來看一下內容左邊您講到說提供每個小時183元每個月最高補助27000塊大約是這樣子 |
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就現在整體通膨物價飆漲您覺得這樣子的時薪是足夠的嗎? |
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報告委員 這個應該因為這個零工措施的就是已經既有的政策一般都是這樣子那其實我跟委員報告我們其實這個程序都很快我們幾乎當天申請當天就核定了因為這個對這個應該沒有什麼問題部長您知道您現在的這個申請的受災失業者還有社會型專案計畫您知道現在已經有幾個人申請嗎 |
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我早上還特別查我請署長說明一下跟委員報告我們今天早上最新的統計花蓮現在瑞穗已經提出15位零工那現在目前大概還有幾個花蓮地區的鄉鎮目前都還在盤點所以寫出計畫的我早上問是零嗎還沒啊寫出計畫的只有提出申請要打零工的有15人 |
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這個委員其實目前這個林宮這個過去已經實施了非常多次其實現在地方政府其實目前都是很簡便那個計畫不是要寫很繁雜的其實大概就一個頁面大概就是需要多少大概人數大概就是基本資料而已 |
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接下來他們會進入一個經濟的寒冬因為快要暑假所以許多人已經被取消了訂房 |
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因為本來很多人家長要帶著小朋友去玩暑假花蓮是一個很旺季嘛但是現在他們因為這樣子的天災可能半年都還沒有辦法復甦所以我在這邊是提供部長一個建議不管是這個補助的金額或者是這個申請的程序您看我框起來這些表都是一週內要完成兩週內完成一週內完成 |
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這些時間加一加也要個三個禮拜再來您看受災失業者他要提供的相關證明文件其實也相對是繁瑣的所以如果您可以把這個流程還有受災失業者他需要減負的文件盡量簡化這樣子我們才真的幫得到花蓮人嘛因為花蓮人現在需要的是麵包但看到你們端出的是麵包屑有一點緩不濟急啊 |
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我們這個零工的措施一定是重優、重速、重減其實需要的人他只要向勞動部申請立刻登記就我們就合了只是說那個鄉鎮公所他們要提計畫到底需要哪些工作提供我們那個也都是固定的一些有一些範例我們也都會協助他們盡快能夠把這個零工的措施能夠落實讓需要的人趕快來工作 |
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謝謝部長,下一個我們來看一下今天我們既然是要討論育嬰假這個是我自己的小孩他上網看到行政院的有一個兒童版的網站許部長在上面介紹的非常可愛他說小朋友可以叫我阿春部長也是全國一千萬名勞工朋友的靠山但是呢就像剛才陳昭芝委員有提到的 |
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台灣勞工的比例非常的高雙薪家庭的比例也很高其實許許多多的小朋友不只是要部長當他們爸媽的靠山也很希望有爸媽的陪伴因此大概在3到4週前 |
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部長您有跟記者朋友們說您在滾動式的調整去考量是不是勞工朋友也可以增加有薪的幼兒照顧假請問現在滾動式的調整您思考的如何了 |
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不是 這個是公務員的這是公務員這是公務員的但是當時媒體朋友有沒有向您詢問說是不是勞工也可以開始考慮做這樣子的我們現在也就是看行政院這邊因為還有再開一次會我印象中有再開過會那我們當然如果說這個方向是確定我們當然也認為勞工部分我們會來檢討跟進這樣子 |
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對我在這邊有一個比較具體的提議啦因為現在呢根據性別平等法規定7天應該要以家庭照顧假為計算如果可能你們因為這個現行法規的考量或者是這個預算的考量如果我們來要求勞動部研擬修改勞工的請假辦法再增加7天的試假的扣打但是不給新的給予育兒幼兒照顧假您覺得這方面是可行的嗎 |
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報告委員我覺得這個部分都可以討論那我們可以邀請勞資雙方的團體大家來開會凝聚共識看怎麼來做因為這牽涉到他們的雙方的權益所以你覺得一個月內如果沿你勞工無薪 |
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這是本黨之前在選舉期間提出我看非常多的民進黨委員也提出跟我們相同的看法 |
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認為需要追隨我們國際的標準將我們現行的產價延長到14週但是我也看了一下部長您的回覆是覺得說第一因為台灣是中小型企業比較多麻煩會不利女性的就業第二許許多多我們跟其他國家的計算方式不一樣所以呢我有看了 |
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你們有一個150頁的報告是各國對於育兒勞工之影響及相關補助策略上寫得非常詳細我覺得部長您的這個勞動及職業安全衛生研究所他們做足了資料但是我們從裡面看起來勒不管是產假育嬰留停的津貼或是有薪資整體的週數其實我們都大幅的落後這些OECD的先進國家非常多 |
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甚至丹麥阿法國他們還分成懷第一胎懷第二胎以及懷雙胞胎他產假的週數都有不同因為他知道說雙胞胎一定需要更久或是第二胎同時照顧第一胎會更累但是部長您覺得我們是不是應該要再稍微調整成比八週再長一點呢 |
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報告委員因為這個部分我是覺得也很多委員在倡議我覺得我也有交代優待會說這個我們應該再來做一些討論看看是不是可以來適度的把這個產假的這個週數是不是要再放寬但是就是讓整個育兒的生養環境更優這個部分我想我們這樣的方向都會來進一步來做一些研議 |
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當然今天也有一個重點是講到男性育嬰假這個是許許多多的民意調查去調查為什麼台灣的男性會不想要請育嬰假這都非常合理比如說他們因為薪水因為主管的升遷考量因為怕被講話他人的觀感等等覺得丟臉 |
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好這個是要給予勞動部肯定的2022年部長您知道為什麼男性申請育嬰假的比例創新高到達25%嗎這個報告委員因為我們放寬吼第一個他其實可以同時30天短期數也可以再來他可以同個別或同時啦還有就是那個我們多了兩成的公務預算的補助薪資補助我想這個都是誘因 |
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對 這個媒體也有幫您分析的當然有一些津貼再來疫情是一個很大的因素因為疫情期間有非常多脫育的地方其實沒有開放所以他們不得不把小孩帶回家我覺得看到這樣子非常好因為根據您那個150頁的報告丹麥已經非常努力了男性的育兒假申請也頂多到30%然後我們居然可以在2022年衝到25%可是呢我希望這個數據 |
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不要2023、2024又變回原來的10幾%對,因為我們就沒有疫情的加持了嘛所以今天有看到各位的會報那各位的會報有提到說呢我們要鼓勵這個全序部要鼓勵有申請育嬰留停的男性公務員出來做一些經驗分享 |
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當然這個利益是很好但實際帶動的效果我覺得是有限啦這邊提供部長一個參考日本呢你也知道日本的文化也許比我們看待我們男性還要更為保守嘛所以日本他會做到說他由上往下整個去找出員工超過100人的公司並且這大概5萬家去制定而且公佈男性育嬰休假的比例的目標 |
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謝謝陳京輝委員接下來請林月晴委員發言 |
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主席好然後麻煩我們的部長請許部長評委好部長那看這張應該可以知道就是下頁就是我們現在從2022年的公布14個國家的勞參率裡面那女性勞參率臺灣事實上只高過於義大利 |
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我們只有51.6%低於其他的國家那也意味著我們女性本來事實上如果更多女性進來的話事實上我們現在很多在缺工的狀態要期待女性是不是 |
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3994.853 |
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可以來協助經濟發展可是女性就業率看起來事實上是拉緊爆的因為從2023年的統計來看那25歲到29歲達到89.9高於每日寒可是到30歲之後就往下降了成了一個V字型那因為為什麼因為我們的女性很多就是為了帶孩子或是照顧家裡的長輩所以 |
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想問部長因為照顧離職的問題一直都很嚴重尤其對於女性在家庭的一個觀念裡邊很多時候長期是被要求要負擔照顧起老的小的那所以部長對於目前我知道你們有這樣的統計可是想問更細緻的就是說其中照顧失能者老人嬰兒跟兒童的人數有各自有多少就是說因為家裡的照顧而去離開職場的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[95].text |
報告委員根據主席總書的資料照顧65歲以上的長輩而離職的這是去年5月公布的9000人 |
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所以部長是不是可以因為所有的因為我說我個人很喜歡看數據看數據之後你背後的問題要怎麼去解決如果充分掌握這數據就知道說你今天要提出來的所有的對應勞工的問題的話才有辦法能夠被解決那現在今天提出來的就想問的是現行的你剛剛報告的就育嬰留 |
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4074.506 |
| transcript.whisperx[97].text |
可以 |
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| transcript.whisperx[98].text |
那怎麼執行?何時執行?為什麼?因為現在時間3月你們也有開過會那到底什麼時候是要執行?是520之前還是520之後還預計如何讓企業來執行為什麼?不是把一個公文紙或是發一個宣傳企業雖然你的報告裡面也有提到說一定會有就是鼓勵可是這個鼓勵機制 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].start |
4114.238 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].end |
4114.839 |
| transcript.whisperx[99].text |
你怎麼去鼓勵這些企業 |
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| transcript.whisperx[100].end |
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可能你這些報告的都認為不會有效果報告委員沒關係 這個部分其實我們當初這個事辦的原則當初是就是說希望採志願的志願性的讓他們來參與所以但是當然我們這樣的原則出來也很多委員有很多的指教所以我也認為說其實大家講的也都有道理我們現在透過事辦原則來瞭解 |
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可不可以找一些比較大的企業,我覺得也兼顧社會責任因為今天他的公司可以運作的話是運作10年20年要後邊有人能夠來工作所以企業有沒有辦法去鼓勵一些比較大型的來配合否則你的試驗方案又停留在公部門公部門是比較可以配合的話沒有辦法類推到商業團體 |
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所以請部長這邊是不是在所謂招募的時候可能要特別去注意到這一點跟委員報告我們除了公部門以外私部門的大型企業也有表達參與的意願不過我跟委員報告就是說原來我們預計是5月1號要上路不過因為委員 |
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好多人對這個部分都認為我們應該更周延所以我也跟同仁說持續收集更完整的意見調整以後再來上路不急著上路我們上路以後是能夠真的有能夠示範能夠有部長我想問的還有一個是如果這個要上路你所有的準備準備好了沒因為本席認為在技術上請假方法變革挑戰會落 |
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在顧主的身上若對政府來講這些系統是不是健全因為為什麼因為包括請假的日數津貼申請的作業這些都要資訊系統完成不知道這現在的狀況建制的如何包括這個如果是那個未來津貼的其實我們保險是已經在有做一些初步的一些規劃了這個都有因應這一次的示範原則那不過就是說大企業這邊當然我們也在會邀請他們 |
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再來做一些說明會因為現在有登記要來參與示範的我們也會先召集他們來做一些我希望系統可以處理好因為過往我們在民間在用政府的系統都很難用所以不要到時候要登載這些造成多困擾院縣畢竟單日也可以的話 |
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要試辦單日也可以的話那個複雜度會非常非常的高可能就要去做考慮那在你如果說今天要去顧到嬰兒的時候也要問的是那幼兒跟老人呢因為為什麼因為民間團體也一直在倡議說可不可以有 |
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給親職假,我想剛剛前面金威委員也問到那個親職假就是你是不是可以藉此次的試辦計畫用日或者甚至用時來計那有沒有對這項 |
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這個事辦計畫未來是不是可以考慮 |
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不是只有3歲事實上3歲前幾乎在保母家還可以彈性度比較高一點然後或是托嬰中心可是到幼兒園的時候長病毒這個問題就常常花掉家長可能要請個5天那常常都會是他們一個在勞動條件裡邊他們會覺得對他們來講比較不這麼好所以我們考慮延伸到8歲然後把我們的家庭照顧假也合併進來來作為一個親子假 |
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這個報告委員其實優於法令的這個都可以先在事辦裡面都可以先做不過如果連結到要給津貼因為我們現在法令規定是三歲以下所以可不可以去考量一下就是要牽涉到修法但是我的意思是說事辦原則的部分我是覺得可以放寬因為民間團體會提出來表示他們一直以來就是會受到很多家長的需求才會提出這樣的一個訴求在 |
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所以是不是可以考慮一下用這樣的一個在這次試辦的時候就把考量進去因為到8歲因為的確幼稚園階段我自己本身以前在帶孩子的時候幼稚園階段事實上是我們請假歲多的一下碰到腸病毒大概就是要這樣子的時間點 |
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請部長這邊去做考量我們現在也就是說因為針對這個示範原則我們現在收集意見讓它更完整所以包括個委員這個意見我也會請業務單位來參考再來就是長照也會是一個問題我說不是只有雇到嬰兒可能 |
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女性離開勞動市場她除了事實上是小孩以外還有一個就是老人那日本他們有一個93天的長期照顧安排假也就是一個被照顧者一年有93天的時間可以被 |
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做為長期照顧的安排那子女就可以去請這個假那分三次請然後用社會保險支出67%的薪水那過去部長這邊也曾經回答過反正一年一個人93天一年大概就要363億的預算終歸就是錢可是錢如果可以讓我們的女性來進入到勞動市場的話來讓我們的經濟發展可以更好的話這363億不是一個難處所以我不知道 |
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就當時已經有提出來我不知道這有沒有有已經去考慮那民間團體也108年的時候也在提出來就30天的有心照顧假跟150天的彈性請假的一個長照安排日本是93天那臺灣民間團體是提出這樣子的一個所以 |
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請問一下這個因為已經在也討論好多年因為108年提出來當時勞動部的回答是說要邀請相關的團體學者來開會討論然後也表示每年大概有18.7萬人應照顧然後減少工時請假跟轉換工作所以有累積到13.3萬人應 |
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報告委員,我們其實有開過會 |
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我先講,就是雇主端的部分大概應該有65%以上是反對為什麼呢?因為認為說在整個人力的調配上他們會產生困難那在受雇者方面他主要的問題在於說如果 |
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如果沒有辦法有任何薪資的補助或津貼大概有60%的人不會申請所以這個部分會變成就是說到底人力要怎麼來協助還有財源要怎麼來支持這是重點那第二個就是說其實這個照顧的就長輩的照顧的問題其實更周延的可能就是我們長照的部分要怎麼樣通盤的去規劃這樣兩個搭起來才能夠去讓這個照顧不離職 |
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少子化跟高齡老化事實上是綁在一起的如果不去解決這個一個女性30歲就進入到回到家庭裡邊她即便受到大學或者是碩士的學歷的話我覺得那也辜負了我們國家去栽培人才結果她不能夠回到職場去展現自我我認為這個應該要去考慮啦 |
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到底要不要到30天甚至到150天可是要去考慮你不能只有顧到嬰兒否則的話你催不了生然後呢老的又沒辦法好然後一個女性他進入到他只要進入到家裡一兩年大家要回到職場事實上困難度會增高所以這個部分是不是可以請部長這邊兩週後提出一些相關的你們的對應措施是什麼提供給我們辦公室謝謝 |
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謝謝主席 主席 我們是有請部長 請許部長 |
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4月3日發生花蓮大地震之後,到目前為止,勞動部有沒有派人前往花蓮地區瞭解 |
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現在也 |
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人數的部分還在調查當中因為這兩天主要是忙著先救災還有報告林宮的所以沒有掌握那我要問你的就是受傷死亡的部分你要不說明一下 |
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這次地震有三個死亡,一個是大貨車司機被落石殺死另外一個是準備去做邊坡修復的工作人員在交通事故在網絡上死亡另外一個是礦場的勞工在運作中被殺死那礦場部是經濟部、礦場安全部在負責這死亡部分我有掌握住了那受傷部有一些是處於通緝事故 |
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所以你們還沒有掌握嗎?有有有,死亡都會掌握住了。多少人?死亡是三個。不是,我說受傷。受傷還不清楚。那收到這個可能會失業充結勞工有多少?也不清楚。對不對? |
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我們現在就是跟地方政府在盤點我們現在就是需要協助了所以還沒有掌握到嗎有聯繫但是他們還沒有具體回報本席今天的具體要求就是0403這個大地震對花蓮的衝擊非常的大那這樣的衝擊不是短期的衝擊未來它的整個觀光產業的衝擊也非常的大因為你可以看到太魯閣國家公園已經關遠了 |
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然後很多重要風景點他幾乎是山崩地裂這個受到的受創太嚴重的短時是沒有辦法回復的所以本席今天要要求勞動部的就是雖然4月5號你有第一時間你有提出來你有2000個臨時工要協助重建 |
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但本席認為這個是不夠的因為你包括你提到從優、從素、從簡這三個原則我覺得這個真的太少第一個從素的部分到目前為止這個還沒有這個勞工真的是透過臨時工開始取得這樣的一個資源嘛其實從素根本還沒有做到所以我覺得這個整個0403勞動部應該要成立一個專案 |
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不是用你原來的你這些臨時工的方案而是你特別成立一個專案而這個專案就是你要主動去掌握目前災區受創的員工包括受傷的包括他現在可能面臨失業的家裡其實受到很大衝擊的這個總共的人數有多少然後你盤點出這樣的人數搭配你現行的2000個臨時工你要看這個到底夠不夠我覺得有可能是不夠的那另外一個人數我們都可以在對 |
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那另外的就是說你給的方法因為大家現在都忙著重建家裡也受創可能公司也受到影響所以他不見他甚至他自己受傷他怎麼樣再去從事臨時工所以針對這樣的一個很大的天災我認為是要有一個特別的專案來協助所以現在是不是部長你可以成立一個0403的針對花蓮地區受災的勞工有一個特別的專案 |
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另外一個我覺得這些勞工有的可能還需要貸款是勞工貸款你過去只有在過年的時候會有這個勞工貸款但這一次我覺得災區受創太嚴重了他可能根本沒有辦法他可能需要有些貸款你看到有一些早餐店他根本就倒掉了 |
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或是他有一些店家他根本就不能做生意了那這個部分他可能需要是還要特別的貸款不是這每個月才兩萬多塊的補貼而已所以我認為這整個是不是部長你回去可以交代同仁了好好的盤點一下你們主動性要拿出來不是被動的等著花蓮縣政府主動積極的介入跟了解跟有什麼樣的需求這個光靠地方政府我覺得這是做不起來的一定要勞動部的資源這個可以嗎好我們 |
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其實這幾天一直都有主動來聯繫,不過也體諒他們那邊其實 |
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接下來我要問的是今天主題提到的 |
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有關於男性請育嬰假的部分的確我們現在看到男性請育嬰假的比例雖然有在提高但是提高的速度還是緩慢的跟女性比起來他們現在請領的還是偏低只有兩成五大概是四分之一那針對這個部分今天在勞動部的相關報告裡面我沒有看到一個比較具體的改善的措施 |
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但是我就要請這個部長來看一下日本跟瑞典是怎麼做的在日本的部分他現在開始就是強制性出來了他要強制企業給男性的職員來放育嬰假就是僱員超過1000人以上的企業他要求企業要報出來就是說你男性請育嬰假的資料而且沒有達到沒有達標的他會被公開 |
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另外就是研擬要求百人以上的企業就是要去制定就是公司你自己去制定你要怎麼去提高這整個男性育嬰假的措施那在瑞典他是每位新生兒父母親都可以共同擁有育嬰假有一個Lady quota |
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父親的天數要佔到一定的比例那我給部長看的就是我們目前臺灣我們其實沒有任何強制性的措施我們也沒有要求我們也沒有設定目標在日本他們希望2025年可以達到男性請育嬰假比例達到50% |
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但是我們台灣沒有目標那在這個部分請問部長我們台灣沒有具體的措施也沒有目標我們要如何提升報告委員其實我們這一次就是那個彈性育嬰留停的一個示範其實就是要希望找出一個台灣可以做的一個方法那報告委員您給我們這個日本的這些 |
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我覺得解決少子化的問題最關鍵就是我們現在應該給我們的年輕爸媽更多友善跟彈性的措施所以勞動部的角色坦白講非常重要因為你狹下這麼多的企業跟勞工 |
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如果這一塊可以改善就改善了超過一半以上一千萬的勞工都在你這邊所以我覺得這個部分我拜託勞動部一定要積極一點日本都可以往這個方向做臺灣當然也可以所以過去我們大概都是比較柔性的就是說呼籲包括我們的性別工作平等法我們大概都是走比較柔性的沒有去強制希望企業可以主動做什麼 |
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但是政策跟法律是可以引導的日本的做法我覺得很值得台灣來做參考就是如果我們要提高這個男性的參與率的話然後讓男職員放育嬰假提高他的比例我們應該要讓企業各僱主其實擔負起相對的責任而且政策你也應該要有一些要求就是讓企業的力量可以出來這個 |
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我希望這個可以納進來那另外最後這邊我要提到的就是最近的這個試辦方案我覺得很重要但是民間團體希望不是只開放到日可以開放到小時既然要彈性是不是就給家長最大的彈性那這一塊勞動部現在可以做嗎在你們的試辦方案有開放到小時了嗎 |
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報告委員,那個試辦方案我是覺得都可以滾動檢討,甚至配合這樣的方案。你們現在沒有到小時嗎?沒關係,但報告委員,其實這個部分我早上也跟前面的委員講說,我的試辦原則我現在還要搜集各界的意見,我等整個意見更完整我們再來試辦都沒有關係。包括說像委員您建議的說,是不是把他放官談到小時。 |
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我知道另外一個要搭配的不是這個育嬰假是所謂的有心家庭照顧假你知道嗎 |
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有薪家庭照顧假這個各界已經呼籲很久了但是公務人員都已經可以開始不只有有薪家庭照顧假還有6歲以下叫幼兒照顧假但是在勞工這一塊就是完全沒有就是無薪的家庭照顧假那這一塊我認為應該要突破了而且它突破的第一步應該就是先針對有子女的這個家庭你如果說整體的經費不夠那6歲以下先做啊 |
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但是3歲以上到小學階段他常常會因為感染疾病什麼他要請假 |
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那這個如果可以既然公務人員可以有有薪的家庭照顧假你再開放給勞工這個有薪的家庭照顧假我覺得這個應該各界要開始來研議了我們現在少子化真的到一個很誇張的地步了去年13萬多的新生兒那這一塊如果我們政府的政策再不跟上再不做一些突破的話我覺得我們的這個少子化的現象恐怕還要持續探底那我覺得這個我們 |
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勞動部則無旁貸。是不是可以拜託我們勞動部也回去同時好好演繹,可以嗎?好,謝謝委員。我們會來做一個討論演繹。好,謝謝部長。謝謝。好,謝謝王委員。那接下來麻煩我們的黃秀芳委員。謝謝主席。我們請許部長還有請全序部 |
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全序部相關的司長請部長和全序部黃媛好部長好今天特別提到就是我們這個有關這個育嬰留止停薪的這個津貼的事情那我想請教就是說我們也看到在2024年 |
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今年度我們看到這個男性的這個請領育嬰留職停薪的比例創新高有25%那我想請教就是說其實我們看到這個男性的這個育嬰留職停薪雖然是衝到25%那我們看到另外一方面就是有關這個公務人員男性的這個公務人員申請這個育嬰留停 |
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一般的這個男性勞工還是有一些落差那一般人會覺得說男性的公務人員應該算是這個工作或者是這個薪資應該比一般的勞工還要好那另外 |
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很多人會覺得說應該是男性的公務人員會更希望或更願意來申請這個育嬰留停那我想請部長或者是銓敘部的這個司長為什麼會有這樣的一個落差 |
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報告委員現在就是說公務人員男性育嬰留子挺薪從107人到112人事實上是從12%左右提升到18%左右男性已經有提升那因為公務人員就是說女性申請的育嬰留停的人數比較多整體而言我們就是說公務人員申請育嬰留停的不管是男性或女性家種他佔我們的母數大概是 |
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主席 |
| transcript.whisperx[158].start |
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委員會進一步做一個評估 |
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有沒有可能去做一個檢討就是說因為我們現在申請是用本封嘛那有沒有可能是用實質的收入來列為那個育嬰留停的這個補貼有沒有可能這樣做 |
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因為現在是那個社會保險這邊來幾戶6層那政府幾戶的部分是兩層除非政府幾戶的部分要再提高那就可能會有比較鼓勵作用因為如果要從社會保險這一塊變成所有整體公務人員你要提撥的 |
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拜託請勞動部長 |
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那個留職挺薪今天也許可能政府看看這一塊要不要再去加碼提高我是認為就是說可以去做檢討那另外那個市長請回那我想請部長勞工的部分也是一樣就是有高薪低報的這個問題那等到他要申請這個育嬰留停的時候就真的有差如果用實際的這個投保薪資來申請的話其實確實是有他會有影響那我想請教 |
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因為其實勞工他如果有一些他是這個 |
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報告委員我們現在的規定他所謂的月投保薪資來合附這個育嬰留停今天的給付那個月投保薪資是要他月薪資總額喔要核實申報所以這個基本上法令規定就是這樣可是剛剛委員講到說是不是如果高薪低報高薪低報第一個就是他會被處罰第二個老公可以要求他賠償損失喔 |
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其實有很多他原本的薪資他就是用最低薪資然後再加其他的職業加級或專業加級我要講說跟委員報告說如果他是僱主高薪低報的話他是違法了第一個他會被我們處罰第二個勞工的損失他因為高薪低報害他領不到他應有的這個津貼 |
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那這個差額是僱主要去賠償所以這個部分是沒有問題我的意思是說現在的規定就是我們月投保薪資講的就是你的月薪資的總額所以這個部分是符合剛剛委員所講的是好那其實我要跟你講的就是說其實實際上 |
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實際上還是有這個狀況嘛他可能就是最低薪資然後就又加了專業專業家級或者是主管家級或什麼樣的家級加起來才有他現在的可也許我們現在的基本薪資兩萬兩萬八千多嗎 |
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那再加一加27470好那兩萬七千多那再加一加加一加之後可能才有三萬多四萬多嘛那實際上就萬一他如果要開始清理這些御嬰留停那如果說用這個 |
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這個部分我們會加強對僱主宣導就是跟他講說 |
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﹏﹏ |
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剛剛部長有幾位委員也特別提到就是說我們育嬰留停是不是能夠更有彈性我們現在可能就是以月來計算當然我們希望說能夠以天或者是小時來計算讓想要申請育嬰留停的人能夠更有彈性我想請部長就是說是不是可以朝著這個方向來進行 |
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我們現在就是希望透過試辦的這個方式來瞭解職場上的運作還有就是說能夠怎麼樣來推行然後這雙方可能會能夠兼顧所以這個部分我們會來努力試辦就是要瞭解務實的去瞭解問題所在那你出一套適合臺灣的一個制度 |
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對,我們是希望這樣子啦,因為小朋友如果還小的時候,尤其是在上幼兒園的時候,真的是時常請假,藏病毒,真的時常請假,所以爸爸媽媽其中有一位就需要帶小朋友去看病嘛,所以我覺得如果可以讓家長能夠更有彈性的話, |
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我覺得會有更多人會願意生也敢生這是我們自己單方面的一個想法那當然就是說少子化大家希望就是說在這幾年是不是有什麼樣的方式減少這個家長的一個 |
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﹏﹏ |
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相同的就是投入職場之後他也願意生養當然這個環境真的是非常的重要那剛剛我們也特別提到就是說男性的這個勞工也好或者是男性的這個公務人員其實申請這個這個育兒這個這個 |
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謝謝委員 |
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謝謝黃委員接下來我們請圖全及圖委員好謝謝主席那請一下我們部長謝謝有請那個部長 |
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部長你好那4月3日早上我們發生了我們7點2級的有感地震那當然我們勞動部在第一時間也發布了就是說僱主不能因為勞工因為地震沒有辦法準時上班出勤等等我們僱主不能因為這樣子而讓他們算遲到礦值那也依照天然災害發生時的 |
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有出勤相關規定辦理嗎?對不對?有發布這個新聞嗎?有有那請問一下那這個規定辦理是不是依照天然災害發生事業單位勞工出勤管理及工資的幾副要點來辦理?是不是以這一項要點來辦理?是 |
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對嘛,因為這個就是我們天然災害勞動部的要點嘛那我請問一下那這個要點他是屬於哪一種性質是他的法律屬性是屬於是行政規則是不是行政規則行政規則嘛那行政規則那如果僱主沒有依照這個要點來辦理那如果還是算勞工、遲到或者礦工那有沒有什麼法律依據可以規範他們 |
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有就是看委員就看到違反的情況會對應到條文對那如果他沒有依照勞動部的規定那他還是沒有給他全勤或者那天沒有給他薪水那這樣子我們有什麼那我們這個就是違反勞基法22條違反勞基法22條所以 |
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所以如果像我們4月3日那一天勞工因為地震的關係遲到或者礦工所以那一天一樣要給他全勤獎金跟薪水是不是這樣是是嘛那全勤獎金不能不影響但是那個薪資的部分因為這個是天災嘛那薪資的部分是不可抗力是那天會發還是不發 |
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他們協商協商所以所以那我們那遲到的部分啊不能算遲到啊那個不能算遲到所以權情獎金是一定有的不能因為那一天因為那一天地震的關係遲到不能扣他的權情獎金不能扣他 |
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那所以薪水的部分是要協商?薪水的部分是協商因為這個是不可抗力啦就是說一般就像我們一樣像颱風的時候颱風也是會因為那個而停止上班上課所以我們依勞基法的第22條來辦理所以遲到的部分是要給全勤獎金但是上班的部分是勞資雙方協商是不是這樣? |
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所以因為我們現在也碰到很多問題顧主跟勞工針對這部分我們也沒有一個明確所以今天才要請問一下部長因為他們如果有問題如果委員的這個服務的民眾有問題也可以打1955對因為我們針對這部分所以我們看這個要點處理就是 |
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也不能說遲到也不能扣他的全勤獎金然後可是我看我們勞動部用一個行政事函4560號他裡面又說遲到是否扣發全勤獎金由勞資協商明定團體協約或工作 |
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工作規則中所以我們現在有點不了解到底是以勞基法來處理還是以這個行政函式560號來處理還是依這個要點來處理我覺得有點混淆不清欸這個函式的遲到是真正的遲到 |
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所以...所以我們現在就很明確那一天類似這種天災假設颱風、地震等等就沒有遲到的問題所以全勤獎金一定要發但是如果上班當天幾不幾付薪水是由勞資協商來辦理是不是這樣對就是說譬如說這個韓市政府說你晚個10分鐘20分鐘你要不要扣他全勤獎金就是說你看情況啦 |
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但是剛剛地震的情況不一樣所以當天不能以遲到因為地震不能以遲到來論全期獎金要照發可是當天的薪水就是勞資協商 |
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對嗎?勞資協商,所以變成我們如果僱主沒有依據這個來辦理,我們有勞基法第22條來辦理對不對?好,那至少讓我們僱主跟勞工有一個明確的依據,那還有我請問一下我們職業安全衛生法第18條這個退避權,請問一下部長這個退避權他的 |
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定義意思是怎麼樣就是你工作的場所有危險的時候勞工就可以選擇我我不工作啦好那我請問一下那天發生地震了那我們覺得這個上班的途中也有這個狀況有安全疑慮那這算不算在退避權之內因為還沒有到達那個工作場所 |
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所以不算那我是建議啦因為這個上班途中齁其實他上班途中他已經要去上班了但是如果現在發生了就像類似這個地震重大的危害的問題我覺得這上班的通勤時間我建議喔勞動部可以考慮一下應該也是要納入因為他現在要去公司上班這個退避權的問題是不是可以考慮來納入上班通勤時 |
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上班的通勤這個可以像那個應該是可以像比照天災那個剛剛颱風那個情況所以是可以嗎不是這兩個是不一樣的概念啦對啊就是我現在要去上班我覺得上班的途中已經有安全疑慮了對那個部分就是說當地你要到達的那個地方他現在已經宣布停止上班上課了嘛那你就可以不用 |
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不用過去了所以就納入這個天災比照辦理對對對好那接著我請問一下我們今天要討論育嬰的部分那因為我們現在針對我們育兒勞工的需求嘛那我知道我們勞動部針對這一部分也一直在加碼但是感覺這個催生措施效果並不是很好是不是有這個機會把育兒留職停 |
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請勞動部、行政院人事行政總處、銓敘部、教育部．試辦彈性育嬰假及如何提高男性育嬰假及如何提高男性育嬰假及如何提高男性育嬰 |
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報告委員,這個部分我們現在其實很多委員有在倡議好像土偉您是主張6歲有主張8歲有的主張到學齡前這個部分我覺得可以來討論只是說因為會牽涉到財源 |
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沒有沒有 這個我先說明一下他的補助是一樣的只是把0到3歲放寬到0到6歲從育嬰留心停薪的津貼把他放寬到育兒停薪留職的津貼補助一樣啦只是從3歲放寬到6歲 |
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會更多人但是我覺得我們希望所以那個財源上是必須考量因為勞動部居然要催生我覺得說我們一直加碼的部分但是催生的效果並不是很好那是不是針對這部分以我們補助不增加的方式來做這個少子化解也是要跨部一起來努力勞動部當然是從我們的全責可以有更優的生養環境這部分勞動部再來參考一下還有我們針對申請失業給付這一部分 |
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我們因病因傷病診療持有證明者可以不用去上就業諮詢及職業訓練就可以申請失業給付那我們這一部分是不是可以放寬到像我們有懷孕分娩的申請人就是原本他就有申請可是因為現在懷孕或分娩像有些醫生會診療說他不適合下床啊不適合外出等等是不是也可以 |
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開這個醫生的診療證明然後放寬不用去上這個就業諮詢跟職業訓練好像法令有規定喔如果有那個醫院的證明齁但是因傷病診療只有證明而無法參加的就可以所以這個懷孕分明也在這個因傷病診療的範圍之內對醫師要有醫師證明啊 |
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對因為你這因傷病診療我們一般會誤以為是不是他有其他的什麼工作傷害等等那懷孕分娩他有些像有些懷孕的婦女像醫生會診療說他要安胎啊不適合下床外出有些人體質他是要整個臥床甚至有臥床到生產像這種情況如果醫生證明的話就所以懷孕分娩一樣開得出醫生證明一樣可以在這個 |
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謝謝 感謝部長 |
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謝謝圖全吉委員在這邊做以下宣告等一下在王振旭委員質詢結束休息10分鐘現在請邱政軍委員發言好我們有請薛部長請許部長現在許部長許部長邱委員好 |
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部長我請問一下4月3日當天您在哪裡?這下地震的時候我剛要出門剛要出門啊?對你有收到國家警報嗎?沒有 |
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沒有嗎?本席也沒有收到。那我也了解有很多人沒有收到。那因為地震當時正處於我們通勤的尖峰時段。這種情況讓很多的勞工朋友都沒有反應的時間。那在這邊我想請問部長,我們勞動部在維護勞工安全的立場上有什麼想跟氣象署反應的嗎? |
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我是覺得這部分因為這一次的震災的確有很多人反映說都沒有收到這個這個國家的這個警報所以我是覺得這部分應該當比例專業應該再來做一些檢討對啊我想我希望啦我們勞動部這邊因為基於對勞工的安全的一個考量也希望部長替我們的廣大的勞工來發聲關於這個部分請這個氣象署這邊來做一個改進可以嗎 |
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好那這是花蓮的地震剛好在上班時間或在路途中根據勞動部的掌握我們總共造成了多少勞工的傷亡目前死亡人數是3位那受傷的受傷是4位就勞工的部分因為工作的目前我們掌握到的是4人那在上班的途中呢上班途中的也在陸續的也在陸續還在 |
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因為我看到有一位罹難者是修復邊坡的一個工作人員 |
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那勞動部對於這邊的廠商投保狀況有沒有掌握? |
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我請那個署長說明一下好謝謝委員這個是那個公路局東區養護工程分局下報商一個營造公司的勞工他準備要去去做邊坡維護的時候在路途中被那個落石殺死是屬於通勤事故這個部分那個勞保部分應該是交通部的相關的成這個合約我想問的就是他是用他是用固定雇主的勞工還是勞務承攬的部分 |
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我希望勞動部能夠放寬重寬來處理好不好 |
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這是大地震中很多建築工地的吊塔都有掉落的情形顯示吊塔的耐震度好像有點不足關於這個部分我想勞動部這邊有沒有什麼樣的一個具體的新的做法 |
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我們之前的標準在哪裡? |
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對於這個地震我們也可以再做這個 |
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這個規範的一些檢討如果這個強度不足當然就要往那拉上去我希望檢討一下啦不要因為那個掉下來實在是非常的危險所以以前的標準當然我相信都有做到那未來是不是要因應這種狀況的時候我們有沒有需要再提高一下我們的這個要求的標準謝謝委員的建議我們請業務單位來再檢討精進 |
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那我再問部長我們臺美21世紀貿易倡議極有可能於今年夏天簽署第二批協定並納入消除強迫勞動的規範因為這個規範我想請問一下我們部長我們勞動部將有哪些重大的調整 |
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報告委員因為我們是認為這個世紀貿易倡議它是有助於我們我國來持續建構更完整的勞動保護制度所以我們這個部分在後續的一些討論上我們有會來...你們什麼時候會有結果?這個部分因為這是那個經貿辦在主導我們配合他的進度 |
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我覺得這樣啦 因為這個以後也應該會處理的部分 有時間的話先做好不好 |
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我們自己先討論一下我們現在內部都有一些針對關心的議題有做一些內部的討論好那剛剛還是回到我們的今天的那個議題我們近年來因為少子化的問題我們政府積極打造友善的生育環境那本期看到這次勞動部的書面報告表示110年7月起大幅縮短申請育嬰停留留職停薪的門檻 |
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以及提高津貼兩層後確實已經有助於提升勞工申請育嬰假的意願那麼針對勞動部實施育嬰假彈性放寬獲得不錯的成效我請問銓敘部對於公務人員是否會跟進為30日或以日為單位 |
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目前公務人員的育嬰留職提薪他只需要被扶養者他未滿30歲都可以申請沒有那個申請的下限也就是說期間長短並沒有去限制所以他們已經沒有限制了就對了沒有限制對 |
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請問這是試辦到採5日、7日為單位嘛,也可以用單日,那卻以限制3次為限,這樣的做法是為了什麼? |
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當然就是會當初的考量就是說這個考量到可能給那個事業單位他可能人力調配上的一個空間但是當然如果勞僱雙方同意的話我覺得也無妨啦如果優於我們的試辦原則也OK啦因為我們其實這一次的原則就是一個試辦性質讓他們自願來參加那你試辦到什麼時候我們原來是年底到年底是嗎到年底對 |
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那我這樣講就是我們如果已經確定了那也希望說這個部分我們能夠來確實來處理那因為你分三次我覺得好像有點沒有必要吧 |
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你限制三次的話對,我們其實就是這個是一個原則啦我意思是說我們試辦之後會看整個試辦的一個結果來做一些檢討也不一定一定是說照原來就是說未來的一些機制要建立也不一定是說只限制三次我就說看整個試辦的成效來作為我們未來的制度訂定的一個參選 |
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最後我再問我們落實友善生育環境我們現在農保條例公交人員的保險法都已經修法取消生育給付的投保年資的限制那麼我們勞工保險條例卻仍然維持在分免早產及留產等生育給付那必須要年滿281天滿181天滿84天的規定那對勞工我覺得是非常不公平那勞動部這邊有沒有想過要修法 |
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根本報告因為我們其實勞保加保的門檻比其他職域的保險它的門檻是比較低而且納保對象很多元顧主、自營作業者、移工通通是對象那如果說刪除這個加保日數的規定我們會怕說有些比如說他懷孕期間 |
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這個部分是不是妥適我覺得這個部分還是要謹慎 |
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接下來請王振旭委員發言 |
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謝謝主席有請部長請許部長王委員好部長好針對這次地震發生過程裡面其實大家都感受到非常非常的嚴重那也有很多失去家人也失去了家園因此有很多人受傷我想大家都同感不捨 |
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那對於這些受到影響的國人的後盾政府應該是可以幫助提供一些援助那請問這部分勞動部有哪一些相關的措施已經啟動了嗎我們第一時間點就是4月3日當天我們就馬上啟動那個那個零工措施就是說我們針對這個 |
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因為這次地震受損需要重建的家園這些民眾我們提供零工2000個我們有2000個零工機會那每個勞工他每個月的上班工作時數是最高150小時那以時薪183塊計算最高可以領到2747人的補助那另外就是當天那個後來行政院宣告 |
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花蓮是災區所以針對災區的這些救保、勞保、值保的這個被保險人我們就依照災保法的規定提供他6個月的這個保險費的補助另外就是說他那天如果因為這個天災受傷 |
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好那這個沒有辦法工作而且沒有領到原來的薪資給付那我們就是從他受傷當天開始我們就給他這個傷病給付所以這個都是我們已經開始啟動的OK謝謝我想勞動部這樣的作為應該對 |
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這些勞動部朋友或者是他的家人會得到很大的幫助其實我們也知道有礦工有邊坡修復員剛剛也有委員提到因為他們在工作期間受遭遇不幸所以我想勞動部提供完整的協助對他們來講應該是幫助很大那也是應該勞動部該有的作為那我們也知道說勞動部其實也要這樣提供臨時工作機會來協助災區的復員 |
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那這個災區本身就是有它高的風險那這一部分不知道勞工部在針對於勞工進入到相關的災區做復原的時候怎麼去確保這些人員的安全目前的積極作為又包括哪一些 |
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其實他就是做一些比較簡易的清理工作不是那種說要去拆那個青島的建築物或其他危險的工沒有我們這種零工的工作都是比較簡易的然後安全的工作主要是清理家園做一些清潔的工作垃圾清運等等 |
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希望他們不要再受傷或者是至少他在上班之前應該要給他們必要的訓練各縣市政府、鄉鎮公所都很有經驗他們派工都很有經驗那另外林工也有加勞保啦所以勞健保都有還有職保所以該有的保障都會在一段時間處理好這個雖然是簡易的清理工萬一受傷一樣送我們在職保的保障 |
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OK,這樣非常好至少他們上工之前就知道他們是受到完整的保護的那我們還是就來談談今天的這個育嬰假的彈性化的部分那其實我們之前也知道女性經濟力是很值得繼續提升的部分那也看到還是有4個比較容易受影響的這些問題 |
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這部分不知道如何能夠來完善員工的職場育兒包括對女性同仁他們在做這個經濟力付出的過程當中所受到的一些影響這部分有沒有更完善的一個職場環境的一些建構 |
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對,我們其實這幾年一直在就是說針對如何能夠營造友善的生養的環境在努力啦那包括說像我們也鼓勵男性一起來參與育兒所以我們在整個這個比如說我們的那個 |
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申請申請以前是只能父母親單方申請我們現在讓他可以分別或同時申請都可以遇嬰留子停薪那在這個申請的那個日數以前是要6個月以上我們現在只要滿30天就可以就短期的嬰留停也可以另外就是那個津貼的因為通常就是那個 |
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經濟性是最主要的考量我們也在這個在除了原有的那個育嬰留停六成以外另外公務預算也補貼了兩成的薪資補助那這些都是希望讓這個育兒的部分能夠更優化更優化是是 |
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所以才會有這個試辦企劃希望能夠有更好的可能性對那試辦企劃就是希望就是針對很多委員還有各界的一些倡議希望更彈性所以我們現在在做這樣的方向的研議就是說先職場上試辦看看那整個有一個成效之後我們再來做一個未來一個 |
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整個制度要怎麼來更建構更友善朝這個方向來努力當然也更鼓勵這些我們的男性職場的同仁能夠共同分擔家庭育兒的照顧不過看起來是慢慢的在增加今天聽您的報告裡面也的確有明顯的成長 |
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不過到今年年初我們看下一個畫面會知道事實上還是只有三成左右我們很期待這樣的努力可以透過部裡面的宣傳讓社會大眾尤其是在育兒家庭有更多的男性同仁可以一起來參與這部分就期待繼續來加強會持續來宣導 |
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所以我們目前在積極在推動這個彈性育嬰的假期示範計畫裡面早上也有聽您報告示範的這個內容還有配套的誘因那當然目前還談不上修法期待是透過這個示範計畫以後再做相關的處理 |
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那在這個報告裡面您有提到說勞動部跟所屬的各個機關也希望都能夠參與試辦那這部分不知道目前喔雖然是5月才開始嘛那有沒有瞭解看看各個單位的試辦的參與情形公部門的部分有4家的國營機構參與那本部就勞動部還有我們所屬的包含勞保局啦 |
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發展署的分署我們都帶頭加入來試辦那因為本來原來是想說5月1號上路但是因為委員也認為說我們這個應該再把整個計畫讓它更完整更有誘因所以我們大概3月28也跟一些關心這個議題的民間團體也開會然後也在4月 |
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4月3日及全序部相關的部會有再開過就是說開過會看如何來4月2日啦4月2日邀請全序部還有人總還有我們勞保局中央健保署那就說要研議這些配套措施看看怎麼樣來有適當的誘因所以這個部分我也交代業務單位說我們試試讓這個制度調整更完整以後再來正式上路啦這樣可能會比較好一點 |
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其實公司部門如果能夠互相的激勵的話市部門也不少我們現在總共有61共包括公司部門63個單位已經表明要來參與的意願所以我們後續也會開說明會像這些民間企業的部分也要開說明會告訴他們相關的一些規範 |
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因為我們上週詢問過相關部門那個時候貴單位是說因為尊重參與單位不方便提供參與名單不過今天聽部長講就覺得真的公部門如果能夠一起共同來參與而且是真的願意積極來參與的話相信對私部門來講也有很大的鼓勵或引導的作用 |
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最後其實就是我們也關心國軍我們知道國軍大部分都是男性為主8乘5是屬於我們的男性的軍事官女性相對是比較少我們也看到國軍申請育嬰假的人數男性還是相對偏低其實如何能夠提高男性育嬰 |
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我先從數據講 |
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我們從107年到112年整個育嬰留職停薪的人員從792元有提升到112年的1738元成長幅度是217%其中男性的比例男性在107年是佔30%到了112年目前是到46%今年到目前為止這個比例也是蓋頭 |
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那在這邊也無意特別去好像凸顯我們國軍很好國防部很好其他部位不好其實也未必因為他當中有一些人力結構的問題國軍畢竟是男性比較多但是就整個數量來講我們配合的相關的政策一直在宣導然後再加上我們所有的這個國軍的三安政策部隊安全軍人安心 |
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現在休息10分鐘 |
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拜訪委員會主席 |
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現在請林淑芬委員發言。 |
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部長,我們台灣有一篇論文是趙以桐小姐她的論文,她想帶尖的互助論台灣女性的提早退休。他們發現了,因為我們開過記者會,所以你有看了這個新聞的嗎? |
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看到嗎?他發現假設研究假設之外的那個女性早退的主因竟然是阿嬤要孤孫是55他發現55到64歲台灣女性一旦當上了阿嬤就業的機率就馬上由女性勞動力的土石流就下滑下降的幅度非常高到35到38%他把統計上的數字這樣看起來的確是勞動力的土石流 |
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那反觀這個男生都沒有這個現象 |
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我們都知道說少子化是國安危機可是也有另一項研究講說其實只要提高女性的勞參率2%就可以解決勞動力不足的現況的問題勞參率只要提升提高2% |
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那我們在這裡來看就是說那政府為什麼讓女性的勞參率這樣子生育婦女的下滑然後55歲就開始為了要夠孫那一路再繼續下滑那麼多像土石流一樣的崩毀那他們比較說 |
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這樣子沒有照顧年輕女性勞工的需求一路拖累到中高齡的阿嬤要早退孤孫所以在這樣子裡面這個下滑的現象比德國低了33.7%就55到59歲的女性60到64的 |
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女性比德國的勞參率低了34.4%台灣獨樹一致的到V型的女性就業曲線呈現的是女性勞動力的土石流但我要講說55到64歲是女性勞工也不只是女性勞工是所有勞工經驗最豐富然後最專業的時候體力上也最可以負擔的時候可是卻是因為要夠孫然後就提早從勞動市場裡面退出這不是很可惜嗎 |
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是很可惜啊所以我們現在在想說怎麼解決這個問題就說除了當然我們也鼓勵婦女再就業當然我們要講你們自己做的調查哦雇用管理就業平等概況調查你們自己做的調查 |
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發展的受雇勞工認為應放寬以日或小時使用育嬰留職停薪而且在這種狀況裏面男性的同意比例還大過女性我們都知道說利用彈性運用照顧之旅讓男女雙方輪流都可以使用所以在這個工作場所就業平等概況調查裏面顯示 |
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不是只有勞工需要而且近五成的企業都同意說把育嬰留子停薪假放寬到以日或以小時這樣的彈性使用將近五成的企業同意而且企業規模越小同意比例越高這是你們自己做的調查29人以下的事業單位同意的比例高達49.5% |
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8614.924 |
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8622.946 |
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就幾乎是5成的企業主、僱主都同意30到99人的事業規模的僱主他們同意的比例也高達41%那我現在在跟你講說男性更需要更短休假的時間去分攤育兒一個維也納大學經濟學系的這個教授兩位助理教授他們在2023年6月1日發表 |
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當父親休育嬰假的關鍵因素第一個是經濟誘因就我的收入替代率到底多高還有彈性彈性有多彈性這個是關鍵所以以奧地利戴新育嬰假政策的變化他們探討了休假期限的彈性還有經濟誘因對休育嬰假決定的重要性當然發現奧地利2008年引入了更短的育嬰假的選擇 |
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2010年提高了假期的靈活性那同時大大提高了就是他的經濟的收入的替代率以後每一項的改革都讓男性勞工休假的比例增加10到20%然後發現再增加有心提高了育嬰假使用率可是呢實際休假的時間卻減少了 |
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但是基本上我們還是認為說養孩子是男女雙方都要共同參與那現在都只有女性在使用而且使用當然不會是很高可是我們累得要死的時候男性爸爸媽媽如果你把他限縮在30天一次只能兩次沒有彈性那男性他沒有辦法放 |
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對我們提的修法案請你要支持另外呢 |
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我要跟你談的是臺北21世紀的貿易這個倡議第二階段要在臺北舉行然後他們那個美國的貿易代表署在4月5號大家休假的時候上網公告了他們要談判的文本摘要他就農業環境和勞工三大議題提出建議請問部長美方具體建議勞動部的部分你看了嗎有 |
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臺美21世紀的貿易創意我們都很擔心說勞動議題你會不會變成至第二階段談判進展的阻礙 |
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因為相較於美國貿易代表署他公告的擬議文本他講得很具體他說要要求雙邊與各自勞工法律當中採納國際公認的勞權還有保護吹哨者的規定要提出含強化移工招聘費用相關成本等的規定也希望保障遠洋移工使用Wi-Fi的權利講得很具體喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[280].text |
第二我們本裡面還建立合作機制還有解決供應鏈中強迫勞動的問題以在這個勞工問題上進行建設性的合作包括促進數位經濟下的勞權及改善遠洋漁船的工作條件但是人家問得這麼具體我們勞動部的回應卻是回答得很空泛你們回應是說 |
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| transcript.whisperx[281].text |
勞動部份台灣以人權立國將透過美方的對話合作機制掌握國際重要的勞動規範的內容和趨勢共同面對21世紀勞動力所面臨的挑戰讓企業發展與人權這個齊步前進問部長美國講得這麼具體我們國內法規你這樣子回答 |
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有針對到人家講的問題嗎?我們的國內法規難道針對他講的這麼具體沒有需要調適的計畫嗎?那21世紀的臺美貿易談判這個會不會卡在這個地方?因為呢本來啊去年的11月就應該全數都談好了 |
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8874.633 |
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去年的11月本來21世紀台美這個貿易的倡議的談判本來去年年底就應該要談好可是呢談判過程不是那麼順利那每番公佈的內容還具體的講到說要提升勞動人權環境標準 |
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所以在這種狀況裡面我們在這裡希望你告訴我們告訴全台灣的人你要進入談判裡面你要透明的告訴大家你怎麼因應這個我們想要透明你告訴我們政府的態度是什麼你要不要在這裡跟社會大眾一併做個說明 |
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這個報告委員因為這個臺美21世紀的創意的談判那麼就是經貿辦公室是主要的一個他們來主導所以談判代表人家就勞動的部分我就講勞動的部分講得這麼具體勞動的組織機關就勞動部其實就是說我們考量到說後續的這些談判還有包括創意的進程跟內容它都是屬於比較機敏的資訊所以有關的 |
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激民的資訊,他在講說這個在勞工法律裡面要不要納入採納國際公認的勞犬還有保護催少者的規定要提出強化移工招聘費用相關成本的規定這哪裡激民然後講說這個要不要解決供應面下的強迫勞動的問題這哪裡激民 |
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我是說這些議題的談判的內容包括我們的可能我們未來的一些對應的這些可能的我覺得你們是人家實問你虛答然後我在這裡也是實問你也是虛答我要跟你講這事情已經很嚴重了嚴重到這個去年有一個外交家的雜誌你知道吧關於你們 |
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關於台灣的勞動有一篇去年10月31日發布了深度的報導就是Debt還有Boundage in Space and Taiwan這一篇報導我們如果沒有看到的話風傳媒有給它改標叫做外交家雜誌說台灣製造等於強迫勞動製造問號是不是在台灣的移工每年至少遭仲介剝削上百億 |
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這個東西外交家的答案是說臺灣製造當然不等於強迫勞動製造但是他還是有很多的疑問他甚至指出了幾家的供應鏈外交家裡面點出華碩子公司、雅緒、六合機械等等還有永德電子 |
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包括 SpaceX SpaceX的這個下供應鏈6盒機械他還被這個我記得是福特車廠吧福特安通用汽車看到這篇報導以後大家都有壓力所以他們承諾說要採行這個 |
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因為這兩家車廠是RBA的成員要公開承諾零付費政策福特回應說他要調查這件事要請求獨立第三方進行審查連工商促進會的林博鋒他們現在都要要求政府擔起扛起移工的責任要國對國的這個引進 |
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為什麼要國對國包括你們長期以來對私人財團、大財團、大製造業也都專案的幫他們國對國的引聘引進這個國對國的聘用這樣子為什麼需要這樣子因為走到家RBA這篇雜誌裡面講到說偽創和合作本身他們已經不容忍供應鏈中存在強迫勞動 |
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我的意思是說火已經燒到燃眉之急了不是你在這裡蓄意偉儀就可以的 |
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報告委員 這個相關的議題我們內部都討論我們也有跟去年也有到美國跟美方有做一些說明跟澄清那後續的談判我們也會跟經貿辦公室這邊都有不定時的會議在針對相關的你說你去做說明跟澄清它4月5日前兩天而已前三天而已它在台美21世紀貿易創意的談判裡面它擬議的文本就是這樣子寫了啊 |
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你去曾經沒有用因為有一些連甚至連合法性的他們都認為這個法律是不符合ILO的所謂的規範的嘛ILO的11項的強迫勞動指標他認為我們法律裡面的法律都有問題 |
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而且我覺得你對我們實在是很不夠尊重為什麼呢?112年7月26日我們立法院在審議台美貿易倡議之間的這個協定當時立法院通過了一個附帶決議附帶決議的內容有些 |
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這立法院的決議喔上面有寫美國長期關注臺灣外籍漁工勞動條件與人權問題臺美貿易協議中也將勞動條件作為重點之一請評估我國勞動基礎法是否符合ILO的這個勞動基準為其勞動法規符合國際核心勞動基準以及順利推動臺美貿易協定請行政院在3個月內邀請專家學者民間團體進行延長盤點其實你們 |
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有沒有盤點你們回覆我們說你們開了核心勞動公約法規檢視會議一共有三場結果你的檢視會議第一場第一場 |
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會議的記錄上面寫第一場有提到離清現有法律是否規範不足或規範與執行有落差但是你們沒有提出未來因應的做法案預定時程第二場和第三場的會議記錄更看不出來檢視會議到底認為現行勞動法律是否有符合核心勞動公約而且你的討論事項跟決議事項答非所問要不然就是推給行政院移工人權小組會議再行討論 |
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我們今天要講說你在裡面有討論你們的會議是這樣討論的有人會議上是說討論建外僱用的遠洋漁業工作者現有法治規範在消除強迫勞動上是否足夠 |
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結果你們的會議內容記錄強調農委會執行漁業與人權行動計劃的主則勞動部也是執行單位請各業管單位依據該計劃配合辦理這你的意思是說農業部的事跟你無關的你也沒想到檢討自己的法規是不是有問題然後上面就跟你們有關的家事移工、建築物移工是否應適用勞基法的規定 |
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是否消除藍嶺外籍移工禁止轉換雇主的限制這是你們的會議裡面提案討論議題結果你們會議內容是寫相關議題可以在移工人權小組會議上再討論所以你們把這個會議把這個法規的檢視有沒有合理有沒有執行面的問題你們都丟給行政院移工人權小組 |
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所以我現在要說的是 你這樣這三天就續委了立法院 立法院跟你說你去年的決議是說你要去看一下有沒有問題喔 這個我們這個附帶決議要求你要檢視所有的法律喔 |
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結果你在講說那是農業部的事那個是等到行政院移工人權小組在討論跟我們都無關這個對立法院也須有違遺啦老實說你不會說跟我們都無關啦你的會議紀錄就是這樣寫啊那意思就是跟你們無關啊那這樣子就可以送到立法院你去年就送到立法院說我檢視過了答案兩個農業部的事然後這個交給移工人權小組處理 |
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然後跟我們都無關了你的答覆就是這樣好最後再講我現在講說這個事情為什麼是燃眉知己因為這個臺美21世紀貿易創意的協議談判已經要進行了那美國勞工部在2020和2022年 |
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9372.5 |
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曾經兩度將台灣遠洋漁業列入同工及強迫勞動的製品清單美國的國家海洋及大氣總署在2021和2023年兩次國際漁業管理改善報告先後將台灣列為非法漁業強迫勞動國家 |
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2023年的美國勞動部再一次國際事務助理副部長他更明確地向臺灣民間團體表示支持臺美貿易協定中納入保障漁工勞權禁止這個進口強迫勞動製品的條款 |
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所以我們在想說你到底準備好了要去談判了嗎你要去談判的說我們這個是移工人選小組的討論的事情農業部的事情跟我都無關人家在這裡把重點放在說就勞工環境上我們具體要討論這個我不曉得你們的回應是 |
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要怎麼回答?你的回答是這樣,實問虛答啦。是不是可以請林委員等一下請互惠,就是要請那個勞動部這邊,會後再向委員這邊補充說明。可以啦,但是就是說這個事情是很嚴重的。我們知識體大啦,我們連那個外交家的雜誌都這樣子寫了,還點名企業,企業每一個一個被點名的時候,他們的壓力就來。那我們不能靠著國際組織這樣點名我們的企業啊。 |
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國家難道都不用有作為嗎?企業不用你作為他現在已知道要緊張了所以他們也知道零付費零復工的這個政策所以你們可以服務財團你們可以服務大企業說我幫你們專案國對國引進可是那你為什麼不能夠對一般個人的或小老百姓的或小中小企業主也提供這種國對國引進的模式 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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9475.914 |
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好,謝謝 |
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9527.836 |
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部長會後再向林委員補充說明接下來請鄭天才委員發言主席各位委員有請部長請許部長政委好部長好 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].start |
9529.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].end |
9550.027 |
| transcript.whisperx[313].text |
這次零四零三大地震花蓮的災情非常的慘重這次我們勞動部還是依照過去的往例就針對災後重建工作啟動天災臨宮的一個措施 |
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當然這個作業要點定很久了這個相關的規定都是比較照屬於往例的那個部分那現在就是說因為這一次 |
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地震的時間正好連假連續假期所以你們原來的一個相關的這些規定24小時內要呈報本部然後48小時內要洽向正式公手那因為正好都是連假 |
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都已經 都按照這個規定 我們都沒放假 報告委員 我說你們沒有放假啦 但是有一些鄉鎮公所有放假 這個部分是 這個 這個 我們有聯繫啦 我們會持續聯繫 對我知道這是事實 因為我都在災區啦 OK |
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9612.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].text |
當然這個未來是不是需要再檢討還是要去考量 |
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那另外就是說這個勞工有的在工作期間發生了這個症災無論是他這個死亡或是受傷都有都有所以除了這些這個之外你們當然都會提到這個跟這個 |
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我們提供6個月的保險費的補助 |
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然後另外他如果因為這些災害受傷我們就是從他因為這樣不能工作而且沒有薪資那我們就是從他受傷那一天開始就可以請領傷病給付 |
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| transcript.whisperx[321].text |
好,那今天的議題 |
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9731.629 |
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這個一因留職停薪的津貼這個相關的規定都有那你們的報告裡面也提到這個 |
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9734.875 |
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到去年12月子叫修法前同期申請嬰留職停薪的人數女性增加了11%男性增加61%這個數字是尤其是男性增加很多但是我是希望能夠提供什麼數字呢就是說跟現在的嬰兒出生率 |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[324].text |
的人數跟申請彈性育嬰的人數,留職停薪的人數有嗎?現在有這個數據,好請說。我們女性,女生,對。 |
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9783.272 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].end |
9795.928 |
| transcript.whisperx[325].text |
大聲一點有領勞保的生意給付的人後續有在領育嬰留值停薪津貼的比例在去年112年是80.41%男性呢? |
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男性因為男性沒有領生意幾戶他不能領生意幾戶所以你的人數就還是可以做算比例啊男性增加61%就表示有人數嘛申請育嬰留子平薪的然後跟我們的那個整個出生的人數做比較 |
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9848.522 |
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那個61%是在110年7月1號以前跟以後做比較對我知道我知道可是我要的不是這個對好我要我要接氣好為什麼要這個東西啊好我接氣談重點哈這個勞動部最清楚現在切工嘛對不對切工很嚴重 |
| transcript.whisperx[328].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[328].end |
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對不對那我們的政策怎麼樣去因應這個台灣切工嚴重的事實除了因應留留職停薪繼續推動是不是怎麼樣在這個這個嬰兒還是要照顧啊但是切工啊我們鼓勵他上工但是他的那個很能夠非常 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
安心的有托嬰的地方 勞動部就必須跟衛福部去協調托嬰 然後他那個很放心的托嬰 我那個年代我們夫妻一樣都上班了 而且是遠離我在台灣省政府上班了 |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
他還可以正常的工作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[331].text |
發言委員 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
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報告委員的確就是說如何有讓這個生養的環境更優化除了說我們這些措施鼓勵父母親都一起來育兒以外那其實托嬰托兒的措施也很重要如果這個能夠完善的話也可以讓這個父母親能夠蓄留職場所以有這方面的協助的話他如果有托嬰很好的環境的話他就願意托嬰對所以你們要跟衛福部共同的合作 |
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謝謝主席,我們請許部長 |
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議員好部長好今天的題目是叫做試辦育嬰彈性假及提高男性申請留職停薪我看了一下其實幼嬰真的還是不夠請教一下部長過去這三年從110、111、112男性申請育嬰留職停薪的比例大概是多少嗎 |
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大概增加了不是增加啦因為你們之前的接受低啦申請的百分之25啦大概都是25%過去三年大概男性申請這個留職停薪的比例大概都只有四分之一的25%左右而已啦 |
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以前只有17最近有增加25還是很低啊我們希望說就是這個爸媽都能夠來照顧小孩那你知道為什麼這個男性申請這個留職天性的比例比較低嗎可能第一個經濟藝術的考量還有升遷啦職場的這個這個 |
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那再請教一下部長 |
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就是說你現在這個試辦本來是這個一個月那現在試辦是5天到7天彈性的這個育嬰假然後你說這個單天更歡迎是不是單天更歡迎你這個齁都是道德勸說啦實際上齁這個如果說沒有這個誘因來講的話這一般的企業齁這個很難很難會用單天來算那5到7天也是試辦而已啊對不對那我先問一下這個5到7天試辦是5月開始嘛 |
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報告委員本來原定5月啦但是因為有很多委員認為說我們這個要再不是叫我們配套要更完整所以我可能會稍微再延後一些被延後喔對會再收集意見那延後大概是哪個時候因為我們在收集積極收集意見當中收集讓整個總是要有個期限啊 |
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我看最慢最慢就是6月吧6月最慢最慢就展演一個月展演一個月到6月因為我們在收集意見因為主要是為什麼用示範因為經濟部、國安會今天也都在因為他們也反映說僱主可能有一些困難不過我們現在這個示範出去現在我請教一下這個你有發函就是說給我們這一個公部門嘛公部門現在有回應的情況怎麼樣有現在就是那個我記得 |
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4家國營事業的機構有哪4家才4家國營才4家而已喔臺電流水都有 |
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我們全部現在報名的是63家．表達有意願的那我是說公部門部分國藝事業就是目前有四家國藝所以63家裡面才四家是公部門 |
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包括我們勞動部啊 勞動部自己還有包括我們所屬像勞保局啦發展署啦都是只有勞動部的系統而已喔我們還在所以你看連我們自己公部門都不買單了我們發言出去錄序啦我是說現在到目前為止回復的還要繼續他們我們在鼓勵 |
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所以你看這油電糖水市加公營事業這個要來示範而已那其他的是怎樣是你們有給他們問卷調查但是回覆都沒有意願嗎我們就是有發函給他們邀請他們能夠那問題是出在哪裡那為什麼這些我們所有這麼多的公營事業這個沒有共襄盛舉這個是很大的問題 |
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我們其實也鼓勵像經濟部、交通部、衛福部所屬的這些機構能夠一起來參與有這麼多如果我們公家機關都不能帶頭做示範作用的話對於民間企業來講報告委員因為我們這3月15日發函那目前這個回復陸陸續續在回復啦不是說現在63家後面就沒有了是啊那我在聽那個比例公家機關太少了啊 |
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我們還是持續在鼓勵你們這個我認為我們公民家機關真的要做示範作用如果你如果說我們公民家機關供應事業不做示範作用的話你如何叫民間企業來做啊所以我看到這個我是覺得公部門跟國營事業其實應該要帶頭做起對啊所以我看到這個成績其實我也你這樣講我嚇一跳怎麼比例這麼低其實我也不滿意啦不過我們3月15日發函到現在還不到一個月 |
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陸陸續續再回復啦第二個我再請教一下這個我們賴清德總統當選人他在這個參選的時候提到說0到6歲國家一起養2.0其中有一個是說這個彈性的育嬰假制度納到0到6歲但是我們現在這個育嬰假是不是在3歲前 |
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能夠申請﹖育嬰留停﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對﹖對� |
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報告委所以我們現在就是說先示範齁那包括說這個示範這兩個是不一樣的你們是示範是於就是說本來是一個月現在可以變五天到七天年齡放寬這可以討論啦放寬年齡啦對然後這個就是牽涉到修法當然牽涉到修法牽涉到裁員還有牽涉到企業的人你們有沒有做過這個相關這個相關那個思考就是說如果放寬到0到6歲有沒有去思考過這個方向 |
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一直有在做這樣的討論嗎?現在就是說我看我們的總統當選人是希望說這個國家一起養那其實從零到三歲放寬到六歲我相信這個方向是一致的啦如果說我的意思是說不要說只有留這個只有在停留在討論這個階段有沒有比較具體的做法啦你們有沒有想要推動啦 |
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目前就是在演繹當中啊演繹當中是有想要推動說至少到6歲嗎我覺得這個方向是可以來演繹啦好啦希望你們積極一點啦因為這個是總統當選人他的政見啦我們都是一體的啦希望朝這個方向來做好不好好謝謝部長謝謝主席謝謝李昆城委員接下來請現在先做以下宣告等一下在楊瓊英委員質詢結束處理臨時提案 |
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現在請牛許庭委員發言。好,謝謝主席。勞動部長有請。請許部長。 |
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今天我們討論如何促進男性育嬰留停的比例當然根據你們的報告民國110年之後做了政策的調整改成最低30天就可以經過申請歡迎支持降低門檻那看起來數字上有一些的成果 |
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按照勞動部統計男性的比例在110年之後有部分的成長但是這個部分的成長好像後來就停滯不前了因為你看110年到121年有成長可是121年到112年他就沒有成長對不對那按照113年1月的這個數字資料的話按照比例來講好像跟112年跟121年的比例也沒有差很多那好像政策遇到瓶頸了還有說明一下出生人口 |
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請問勞動部有任何措施去突破這個瓶頸嗎 |
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報告委員因為那個出生率掉蠻多的齁從13萬多掉到12萬多啦齁即便出生率下降男女之間的比例依然很懸殊吧對不對你看一下比例的數字是不是一樣是1比3接近到1比4 |
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我講遇到瓶頸的意思就是說他的成長率慢下來了嘛 對不對 |
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你們覺得沒有問題嗎?還是說還有別的政策方式可以促進這樣的數字?所以你們針對這樣數字的一個貧險的狀況是講說彈性還不夠大所以才有了今天的專案報告是嗎? |
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也不是,我們是認為說這個是逐步嘛當初是從6個月降到短期30天那包括很多朝野委員都在倡議說希望可以再更完善一點對,所以我們其實是一步一步來啦因為也怕對那個企業的人力的調配上會產生困難因為我們大概有97%的都是中小企業30人以下還有微型企業,等一下我們再探討這個問題5人以下占了80%所以我已經去考 |
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我再請你看第二張圖表今天的第二張圖表當然就講的是公部門剛剛部長在回答其他委員詢問的時候也有講說公部門還有相關的這些事業機關附屬單位應該要起一個帶頭的作用但是這個數字基本上跟你前一張也就是這個勞動部的統計其實在比例上來講是很類似的看起來公部門好像沒有起到什麼帶頭作用部長有沒有什麼話要說我們剛剛是在講說那個育嬰留停育嬰留停的事辦剛剛委員 |
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事辦你要起帶頭作用相對來講在政策落地的過程你也要起帶頭作用如果我們公部門這部分先沒有辦法說我透過哪些的方式宣導等等社會教育也好薪資這個問題解決掉也好或者是避免掉這個升遷考機的問題你公部門也要做事辦嘛那照理來講公部門基於法規執行的一體性照理來講應該是不會有 |
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但即便如此好像這個比例還是差不多對不對是不是我們在帶頭作用的方面也遇到了瓶頸呢 |
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為什麼到最後好像就卡在1比3、1比4左右這樣的比例? |
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以你們的了解你們有沒有去探詢過學者專家的意見啊以及等等剛剛齁其實剛剛全局部這邊有講到師長齁有講到說其實他們的是等於裁員的部分齁幾副的裁員啦來補充一下沒有關係啊是有這方面會遇到跟我們報告一下齁那個公部門公務人員這一塊從107人107人大概那個彈性留停的比例大概12%左右對 |
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那到那個112年已經到18%就是說就男性本身大概成長50%啦那就男女性的那個占比是從這些剛剛都講過了我的意思是說110到11有成長這個我們拍拍手可是11到12那比例沒有變太多那個應該就是少子化降下來的就是說生意的人口已經變少了變少了 |
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我要請勞動部去做調查 |
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你們照理來講應該跟很多的學者專家跟很多等等有一些聯繫這個除了我們剛剛講的一個為什麼遇到瓶頸需要更明確的說法之外第二個本席擔心的是我們會不會因為一直把門檻降低把彈性增加你反而回過頭來壓縮了女性啊育嬰留停的長度也就是說現在僱主講啊反正你老公也可以請啊對那你就不要請這麼久有沒有這樣的狀況你們有沒有針對這個可能的問題去做研究調查部長 |
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這個我們再進一步來瞭解看看這個你進一步來瞭解好不好然後本期在最後一點時間做一點政策建議啦我們現在都看的都是講法規面假期怎麼來做設定這當然很好但我提醒我們要有點科技的概念疫情之後給全世界最大的啟示就是工作不一定要進辦公室啊 |
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遠距工作的實際應用是什麼我們的政府機關有沒有比如說你講公部門可不可以帶頭示範我公部門在處理這個在請育嬰留停的時候我用遠距工作的方式走出一套新的辦法我如何鼓勵願意試辦遠距工作來在這個中間中找到平衡也可以讓這個東西政策的時候有沒有一些鼓勵的措施我先講私部門其實私部門他們只要牢固雙方有講好就可以了公部門好像已經有了 |
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官部門我們在那個疫情期間其實都有一直在示範現在各機關其實很多都可以對他的資訊系統有辦法對阿我現在要的就是說你把這個東西跟育嬰留停的概念結合嘛如果育兒需求相對來講那時候那他可能不需要走留停嘛又做遠距工作可不可以他是不是就解決了薪資的落差的問題 |
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謝謝牛許廷委員現在處理臨時提案 |
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楊瓊英委員 |
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目的是希望說去因為很多委員 常委員的建議讓我們的育兒的這個生養環境能夠更友善他們希望說現在那重新吧 |
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主席,謝謝,謝謝主席,楊卿發言部長,我們要試辦以日為單位的育嬰留停方案,是不是?那你希望的是什麼呢? |
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我們希望藉由這樣的一個示範去瞭解說現在食物的職場上他們如果這樣推動的話有什麼困難那會不會增加男性育嬰這個留停的比例也希望提升對這個很重要嘛對這很重要讓我們直接討論 |
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那本期要請教你說剛剛說了你們從3月份開始跟相關單位那目前為止經濟部、交通部、衛福部、勞動部這些會配合你嗎?是不是? |
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經濟部有,我們有邀請他們,希望他們國部門能夠,現在有經濟部的國醫事業,經濟部的國醫事業有4家來,然後衛福部有一個醫院,然後我們勞動部本身,勞動部還沒回復,所以目前政府部門就是這3個嘛,經濟部、衛福部、勞動部,人家怎麼不理你呢? |
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你現在講的這麼保守我可以給你一個註解你要試辦這個你沒有充分去做功課 |
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就像剛剛委員在談的你雞同鴨講他講的是比例問題你跟他講的是數量問題我希望本席待會所問的你不要雞同鴨講的回答好不好因為時間很寶貴那所以本席要請教我們現在是規劃不少於5天的育嬰留子停薪嗎是不是 |
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是,但是如果更短我們也認為更好啦更短也可以就五天以下的因為這個就是一個原則啦五天以下的,好來那現在民間企業你們有方案給他們有沒有民間企業有願意要加入的有有有,我們現在全部都 |
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我今天是老闆吶 |
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你給我什麼幼嬰請教你讓我這麼做你給我什麼幼嬰請做說明請做說明你的幼嬰是什麼我們的幼嬰現在在討論當中你告訴我現在你的幼嬰是什麼你育假事辦呢還在研議當中因為我們在爭取大家的意見還在研議當中 |
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你的憂鬱是什麼?你告訴我!他比如說勞健保的這些比如說他可以免除這個勞保的負擔的健保的負擔的這個都還在啦那是不是還有其他憂鬱我們其實4月2日才找相關的部會有做一些討論 |
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你預計什麼時候可以告訴我們你要希望企業也跟你一起大家來加油那你要提供什麼樣的鼓勵方式你的誘因讓不管是國藝事業單位、行政部門以及我們企業界可以加入你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾你現在在研議沒關係你研議你什麼時候可以告訴社會大眾 |
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因為現在持續在跟...你告訴我一個時間點好不好時間點你告訴我們時間點應該大概 |
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所以換句話說你在5月底以前會告訴社會大眾你的鼓勵、獎勵、措施、你的誘因是什麼會告訴社會大眾是不是?是不是?5月底 |
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是不是?好,因為你做任何的一個不管試辦還是偵測都是有一定的你的目標嘛,你的繳成怎麼做嘛好,我們現在可以確認一件事情五月底以前勞動部將試辦以日為單位的育嬰停留方案會在五月底以前告訴社會大眾那麼我們的政府獎勵是什麼?優因是什麼?是不是如此?是 |
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來接下來我們拭目以待接下來本席要請教我們的目標既然男性的育嬰停留的比例也希望在這個以日為基準換句話說很多人怕說我如果留職停薪了我回來回不來了沒有辦法物質 |
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或者是我的職務已經被調整的或者是有任何對他不利的方式讓他去復職的這個條件減低了所以在這樣的情況之下我們也想盡了一切辦法但是我們看到日本日本他除了鼓勵女性能夠這個女力他們努力的推動女力鼓勵女性進入職場之外對男性他這個育嬰留職他也非常的重視 |
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所以他們把育嬰假可以分開來申請就跟你試辦這個日的意思一樣你如果一個月當然回來可能有很多回不來了所以沒有辦法去落實所以日本他也開始分開來申請而且他還放寬育嬰假的申請次數日本他由原先的兩次到四次由三歲到八歲 |
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那我們呢?我們有沒有做調整?不是未來啊!這個日本已經在執行了部長!我希望我們在這邊討論時可以聽到你的方案!不是未來!你的未來是多久?你的未來你比我遲! |
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我們用示範的方式就已經這麼緊張了你未來所以換句話說日本目前我們要找出方案我們要找出一個適合台灣的模式請教請教當然啦全世界各國來比較嘛那請教日本這個方式你有參考嗎 |
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我們會來參考各國不只日本各國的彈性的方式我們都會來參考所以本期要告訴你為什麼會提出這個呢不是他們不願意請育嬰假而是不敢請 |
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很多人擔心我請了之後我能不能順利的復職或者是變相的被解聘影響後續的仕途這些的因素都必須在我們整個配套措施裡頭來做討論對不對拿世界各國不管是日本其他國家對於我們有利的而且他們成效好的可以拿出來做檢討嗎是不是如此是不是會朝這樣子的一個方向 |
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最後一個議題我告訴你女性的勞動參與率目前只有51%51%那女性都很努力在做為什麼她的勞動率只有51%我特別給你點出一個年齡級據55歲到64歲的女性一旦當了阿嬤她就業率就下降你有沒有發現到這個問題有有齁為什麼 |
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要照顧啊 要照顧誰 孫娜 照顧孫娜 欸這一點你答對了齁 你答對了齁 也就是55到64歲的台灣女性一旦當了阿嬤就越機率就越下降 下降多少 下降多少 下降35到38% |
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所以表示什麼阿嬤要教過孫那連帶牽動的把55到64歲我們法定是65歲退休55到64歲這個正有經驗那他就 |
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他就離職所以我們的勞動力會受影響所以在這樣的情況之下剛剛本席提出我們現在是3歲有沒有考慮把它延長日本是延長到8歲那這個親子假並我們的育嬰假合併去討論 |
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我們都在考量當中,這相關的,其實顧老顧小,相關的還有哪些配套,這個包括話說我們有可能有機會,現在全世界都延後,我們有可能有機會從3歲延後,日本是到8歲,有的國家到6歲,我們有機會去延後嗎?是不是? |
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﹏﹏﹏﹏ |
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親子津貼跟育嬰留子津貼的這個部分可以去合併去討論好不好我們希望有一個好的方向而且將3歲來延後好不好不管是德國的歐洲地區的6歲或者是日本的8歲我們朝這個方向去討論好不好延後延後是會確認嘛對不對因為你的家長關心啊我們會再討論但我跟委員說就是往這個方向往這個方向好謝謝 |
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好謝謝楊瓊英委員現在開始處理臨時提案總共有4案請一併宣讀臨時提案第一案有鑑於勞動部當前所辦理之增加第6日第7日產檢價值薪資補助及加擠二成育嬰留職停薪資投保薪資補助二項作業其裁員乃來自113年度便將終止的行政院我國少子女化對策計劃專案 |
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專案經費規劃．原限期於2週內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交勞動部114年度辦理增加第6日第7日產檢加資薪資補助及加擠二成育嬰留職停薪資投保薪資補助作業之經費籌措規劃書面報告 |
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提案人委員陳金輝、陳昭芝、王育敏、邱振軍、楊瓊英第二案有鑑於勞動部規劃於113年度借中央基金預算執行2150萬元經費借以辦理行政院我國少子女化對策計劃專案內之提升雇主辦理托兒設施或措施意願分工作業然而勞動部對該專案作業在112年度之執行金額便達2600萬元 |
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原要求勞動部現起於二周內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交檢討說明及擴大辦理事項業務資源之規劃報告提案人委員陳金輝、陳昭芝、王育敏、邱振軍、楊瓊英第三案有鑑於行政院課證辦理107至113年 |
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共7年期的我國少子女化對策計劃專案作業．並按該專案中友善職場的育兒措施．彈性工作時間規定之機關工作分配下．113年度對勞動部乃責成有執行性別平等工作法研修之法制作業任務．原此考量該法制作業允移 |
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積極辦理並應向外界示意今年度的期程安排特要求現期於二周內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交勞動部辦理113年度我國少子女化對策計畫之法制研修作業期程規劃書面報告提案人委員陳金輝、陳昭芝、王育敏、邱振軍、楊瓊英第4案 |
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近年我國出生人口屢創新低2023年僅剩13.5萬名新生兒政策思考如何讓家長有更多機會兼顧職場和照顧小孩才是解決低生育率的根本指導原此要求勞動部、銓敘部、行政院人事行政總處應緊速研議增加彈性育嬰假 |
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推動可按日或小時申請的親職假或稱彈性育嬰假並放寬請領子女年齡之限制以實現職場和家庭內的性別平等提案人委員黃秀芳、林月琴、王振旭宣讀完畢好那請問第一案行政單位有沒有意見 |
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報告主席各位委員那第一案的部分是剛剛有跟委員辦公室那邊溝通是希望可不可以改成三週內可以嗎?好好好那就照文字修正通過好那接下來第二案請行政單位有沒有意見 |
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跟委員報告就是因為我們委員關心契托的部分讓我們也非常重視在113年度救安基金有編列2902萬但是因為跟少子女化的一些對車的版本內容有一些不一樣的情形所以我們是不是做一些文字修正 |
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我來念一下,可以嗎?好,可以請您念我們修正完畢的新版文字。好,修正的臨時提案第二案修正為有鑑於勞動部乃規劃於113年度藉救安基金預算執行2902萬元經費藉以辦理行政院我國少子女化對策計劃專案內之鼓勵民間企業參與托育服務 |
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提升僱主辦理托兒設施或措施意願分工作業為根據我國少子女化對策計劃112年8月修訂版本內容顯示該作業之預算數僅編列2150萬元 |
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原要求勞動部限期於兩週內向立法院社會福利及衛生環境委員會提交未來精進鼓勵民間企業參與托育業務資源之規劃報告並與教育部檢討改進少子女化對策計畫內容與預算實際編列不一致情形以上 |
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請問委員有沒有意見?同意。好,那就照文字修正通過。謝謝委員。好,那第3案?報告委員,那第3案剛剛跟委員辦公室這邊溝通,同意是改成3週。是。那請問委員?同意。好,那就照文字修正通過。第4案? |
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報告委員這個性別平等工作法他的相關的這些規定適用的部分包括軍公教所以我們建議是不是可以在這邊的話要求研擬你的單位裡面可以在勞動部後面增加教育部和國防部兩個單位 |
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好同意那就照文字修正通過謝謝委員那所有的事案和臨時提案全部處理完畢接下來請李彥秀委員發言請許部長請許部長 |
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李委員好 希望這個不是最後這一兩個月跟你打詢但是女性的勞動部部長無論您在位的時間有多久我還是希望過去我們長期關注的某一些議題包括廠價的延長、育嬰留職停薪我覺得我們都應該留下一些東西我相信你跟我應該都有同感那今天招委排這個議題特別好特別是 |
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前兩天上一週也是4月4號兒童節我們都非常清楚知道父母扮演的角色在兒童的成長過程當中是不一樣的包括有數據研究都顯示說爸爸的陪伴包括孩子在控制自己的情緒衝動還有認知學習能力對孩子都有幫助這是父母這是爸爸的角色但媽媽的更不用講我想我們大家都非常清楚好那我就看到你的書面報告當中 |
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有幾個數據就是在110年7月止到113年2月止你的書面報告有提到說我們育嬰留職停薪好像成果成效還不錯我們看到數據裡面但是我看就是111年跟112年看起來都有大概從19.70110年到111年增加到25.25 |
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女性略為減少一些那其實這個最主要的幾個原因是我們111跟112年我們有提出兩個還不錯的政策就是我們把育嬰留職停薪從6個月至少每在6個月我們放寬到30天另外一個就是我們的經濟支持就是我們的薪資替代率可達到八成 |
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這兩個確實對於男性申請育嬰留職停薪確實有幫助但是部長他就停留在這邊了 |
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我們現在是想說如何更彈性 |
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對﹗ |
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所以我覺得我們要努力的空間還是很大 |
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你到底後面要怎麼處理?你還有什麼政策工具?報告委員就是我剛剛講未來當然在男主外女姊妹這種觀念其實在性別平等的部分我們應該讓男性也願意共同來參與育兒那你的工具是什麼?工具第一個當然就是說我們如何在這個嬰留停上更有彈性讓男性更願意來使用 |
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然後再來就是可能經濟上的一個誘因的支持現在已經提高到八成那當然也有人說是不是要再提高但是這個會牽涉到財源的問題但是我覺得這個都應該來討論你在這個位置上也六年的時間我覺得我們經歷過很多 |
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﹗ |
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但是男性跟女性那個申請那個那個那個育嬰留職停薪的比例我覺得我覺得要達到一定的目標 |
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我為什麼這麼說 有時候颱風來了 國小不要去上課 |
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那勞工要上班啊對不對所以我的意思是說有時候用小時來計育嬰留職停薪的彈性會更多會更好我們現在是30天嘛所以也有很多民間團體說希望用小時以單位來彈性使用育嬰留職停薪的速度的制度所以讓男性他有更多的誘因去處理不是說家裡突然有事每次都要媽媽請假 |
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男性也可以去請假,請個半天帶孩子去看病也很好啊因為報告委員現在那個育嬰留停的津貼因為這個牽涉到津貼的問題如果用小時用小時可能在合幅上會比較麻煩一點 我覺得部長 |
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我覺得這都是技術性上的問題我們希望讓女生能夠留在職場上在職場上男女的平等是一樣的我覺得我們就要去克服這些問題沒關係這個部分我們大概就是因為我們有做一些世界各國的一些對因為你現在 |
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你現在在經濟部跟交通部你有試辦計畫但是試辦要試辦多久你不能一直試辦到年底而已你剛剛回答楊瓊英委員說到年底這個試辦計畫到年底到年底那你就要調整你就要開始食物上的問題在哪裡 |
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那你們以後會用彈小時來計有沒有機會報告委員現在就是說到底要日還是到小時這個我們就是一方面試辦的看這個整個當然現在試辦是用日啦但是是不是要到小時這個不然就半天嘛半天嘛因為看個病最起碼也排個隊也要兩三個小時嘛半日四小時 |
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我覺得現在我們想辦法 |
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我們會去了解研議套住適合臺灣的一個制度讓這個大家願意去生養然後讓職場的這些人力的運用也不會部長我覺得還是要努力啊國際我們現在已經少子女化在全世界已經倒數了所以不要說以臺灣適應臺灣的狀況我們要想辦法跟上國際潮流一直適應臺灣的我們現在就已經是倒數我不知道還要怎麼適應 |
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謝謝李燕秀委員接下來請陳培宇委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席那部長跟你喝口水辛苦了辛苦了請許部長好謝謝部長 |
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部長好辛苦了我們快速跟部長討論關於這個育嬰留停的部分剛剛好像也有委員提到關於這個0到6歲的部分那我想要再一次的表明其實這個0到6歲我覺得大家的這個想像跟訴求應該非常非常清楚了有時候是班上一有腸病毒然後就要休息而且全班一起休息或者是家裡有兩個小孩輪流生病 |
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不管照顧的人是父親還是母親其實也需要輪流休息那甚至呢其實最近一起的台灣很重要的親子天下期刊他們也發現在疫情過後這兩三年所謂的小烏龜寶寶越來越多早療的需求越來越多那我們知道一旦遇到有早療的需求其實爸爸媽媽請假那個天數就非常的複雜跟 |
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難以確定,主要是因為也要預約這個復健治療的時間,還要也要預約掛號的時間,甚至大家也知道早聊目前是卡關,這個我們後續再討論也就是說為什麼我們希望跟部長討論有沒有什麼樣的誘因跟方法,或者是勞動部這邊怎麼跟企業去討論目前只能用0到3嘛,那用到0到6的好意我覺得就是我剛剛講的這些訴求的可能性 |
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可不可以請部長簡單回應一下我想就是放寬這個方向我是覺得是可以來做研議也確實在我們的了解那職場上的父母親真的是有這方面非常迫切的需求所以這部分我也請業務單位來做一些討論但是當然你放寬之後 |
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有一些津貼就是會增加啦對沒錯沒錯那這個財源的部分我們如果光以救保的經費是不夠確實是不夠的所以這個部分就是可能院這邊要看看用公共預算我們可能就是要去做一些跨部位的協商我覺得政策方向如果是這樣定那財源上的支持怎麼樣這個都是要全面來更周延的來討論 |
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我覺得今天一整個聽下來應該跨黨派的委員都會支持然後如果只是預算的部分可是我覺得是勞動部這邊如何願意就如同部長之前說過的其實台灣有非常多中小企業他們可能在面臨這個議題他們心也想要這樣做可是資源的部分或者是人力怎麼安排上班的部分確實我相信也需要非常多勞動部積極的協助因為其實今天經濟部國防部也都在他們應該都聽到了他們也都有反應 |
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是,企業界的一些他們憂慮的地方,的確人力的運用是他們最大的困境,尤其我們的中小企業大概佔了97%,這97%裡面5人以下還佔了80%,所以這個部分到底要怎麼來,包括說我們未來就業的媒合如何來協助,包括 |
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甚至是不是有一些減稅的誘因等等這個都還要具體的討論有些東西不是勞動部可以決定但是我們可以把一些意見收集以後那可能點出一些方向請各部會來大家一起來及時廣益看怎麼解決問題然後甚至是提供更多的誘因給企業幫因為我自己以前開書店也是5人以下我只有兩個正職員工那如果有一個有育嬰留職停薪的需求那我當然就會有人力撥補上的困境 |
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所以我覺得有誘因很重要然後我們國家整個勞動部在設計這個相關跟企業對話的時候又把這件事情放進心裡我覺得也很重要就如同之前我在上次的質詢有跟部長討論到關於這個 |
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有所謂的未滿20歲懷孕服務及後續追蹤輔導計畫 |
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會有社工把這些爸爸媽媽年輕爸爸媽媽跟他們小孩所需要的照顧列為所謂社工個案管理那一旦列入所謂的個案管理才會有地方就業執訓單位提供就業資源這個部分我想勞動部應該是清楚的這個是衛福部的部分可是我們來看勞動部當這些年輕的爸爸媽媽他們 |
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跑來上勞動部主辦的15到29歲職涯諮詢或是青年執訓專班的時候或者是勞動部還有針對15到19歲沒有升學沒有就業的弱勢青少年職涯準備計畫都有我們都看到了可是一旦這些人他們是所謂年輕爸爸媽媽小爸爸小媽媽他們其實沒有相關的育兒資源的補助例如我舉個例子他們去參加執訓的課程就訓期間他們的寶寶誰要來照顧 |
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我們發現目前我們可以看到桃園市政府他們有相關的臨時托育補助或者是友善育兒的托育補助也就是說年輕的爸媽媽去上勞動部或是執訓局所開的執訓課程但是他們的小孩相關的托育補助是由勞動部來承擔來協助他們的不知道這個部分部長這邊你有什麼看法有沒有機會我們從勞動部的角度來推辦跟各縣市政府討論如何來試辦這個相關的育兒協助 |
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這個我來 我們來 協助單位這邊來評估看看好不好好 評估看看的意思是再積極一點啦 部長不管是幾歲的人生了小孩他們在參加執訓的課程都會有需要托兒托育的補助嘛我們其實五個分署現在都有教保中心啦如果他來 |
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接下來請黃國昌委員發言 |
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謝謝主席。麻煩有請部長。請許部長。黃元浩 |
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部長,延續著上一次諮詢的主題因為蔡總統8年的任期要到了8年時間到我們對於她在2016年所提出的勞工政策6大保證我們必須要做一個有系統的回顧上一次請教你的主題是薪資要增加這樣子的主張今天延續的這個主題我們從工時要減少第二個主題開始進行處理 |
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我相信過去這10年台灣成為過勞之島這樣子一個名稱這樣子一個口號它反映出來的並不僅僅是勞工團體的訴求而是台灣的勞工特別是我們的年輕人他們所面臨的困境針對蔡總統所提出來的公實要檢討這一項政見這個給勞工朋友的承諾過去這8年來部長你認為實施的成效如何 |
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報告委員這個我記得那時候修法齁那時候勞基法修法的時候關於加班的工資現在我不是在跟你討論加班的工資啦台灣目前的狀況就針對因為薪資過低嘛所以你要有比較長的工時才能夠賺多一點錢嘛 |
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神火才過得下去嘛那我就一樣一樣盤點嘛上一次我們處理完了薪資要增加嘛有增加沒有增加實際上面齁是不是處於一個薪資動漲的狀態每一個勞工心裡面有一把尺我今天請教你的是第二個主題啊工時要減少過去這8年覺得蔡總統表現得怎麼樣 |
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我想總統對這個部分一直都...非常的重視那我現在在講的是實際的效果你不用跟我講他很重視啦他對社會宣示一定是很重視的嘛現在我請教的是你實際的效果啊我們現在就是蔡總統上任之後我們的工時是有比以前有減少譬如說我們104年的時候大概那時候每年的 |
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來 我直接給你看數字啦2016年的時候2016年的時候是2035嘛過去這8年可能我的data我還沒有看到2023年的數字 |
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即使到20212022年的時候即使到2021、2022年的時候都還是維持那個時候有疫情喔都還是維持在每年2000個小時以上的高檔對這樣子的表現部長覺得滿不滿意這個齁 |
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這個工時的部分有加上這個應該是有加上加班工時的部分那因為加班我現在請教你的是對這樣的表現你滿不滿意這個統計這些數字都不是我掰的這個是勞動部2022國際勞動統計這是你們官方的統計我現在的問題很具體對這樣的表現部長覺得滿不滿意 |
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總統有沒有履行他的證件所以你的意思是說對於這樣子的表現你是滿意的比韓國的43.2日本的42.7其實我們台灣是比韓國比日本都來得好來看一看血汗工時排名啊台灣年年上榜啊 |
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2022年有沒有進步 有啊從第4名第5名進步到第6名終於什麼終於被智力給超越了終於被智力給超越了整個亞洲國家裡面比我們長的只有新加坡其他都是什麼哥倫比亞、墨西哥、哥斯大黎加、智力這樣的表現部長滿不滿意 |
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以台灣的狀況來講的話台灣的就業市場的狀態是怎麼樣 |
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那你就從台灣自己本身的表現來看我現在給你看的是從2016年到2022年有data的階段嘛我剛剛一直在請教你一個問題你一直在回避不敢正面回答對於蔡總統執政到目前為止他在2016年所提出來的政見工時要減少的表現你覺得滿不滿意 |
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這個問題有這麼難回答嗎我是覺得蔡總統上次確實把工資有減少啊去年的時候啊五一 去年五一之前勞工團體怎麼講的部長可以回去複習一下低薪過勞一樣是台灣勞動市場的代名詞啊以縮減的幅度來講 |
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你覺得我也不曉得你滿不滿意啦來我們來看一下工時縮減的幅度剛剛你要比南韓比日本嘛我從2016年當作base line到2022年縮減的幅度台灣是最低的欸我們不僅啊工時比人家長 |
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我現在你要講縮減的幅度從2016到2022有沒有進步 有阿進步1.3%阿你要不要看一下南韓跟日本的數字一個是6.3一個是5.6阿這個基本的問題部長可能在你的位置上啦回答起來很尷尬還是不敢講真心話 |
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這個數字臺灣勞工實際的生活每個勞工實際的感受恐怕不是你站在這邊想要幫蔡英文總統聞過是非就可以混得過去了第三點臺灣有薪假現在只有19天敬培莫作部長你覺得臺灣的有薪假有沒有再提升的可能性 |
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報告委 這個我們會來討論啦 這個你現在還要討論喔 你520就要新內閣上來沒有 業務單位會把這個問題齁 那麼當作過了8年你現在跟大家講的solution是你要討論 要討論什麼現實的數字就擺在那裡啊 |
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一樣是低薪過勞啊2016年跟勞工朋友講的承諾到2024年的時候該是拿來檢驗的時候了吧檢驗出來的結果就不堪檢驗嘛一樣是低薪過勞啊這是勞工團體講的啊客觀的數字也符合他們所提出來的聲音啊今天你作為勞動部部長我只希望你能夠很誠懇很誠實的面對現在的問題嘛 |
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現在過去這8年為什麼沒有成功哪裡做不好最起碼可以給新的政府一些誠懇的建議嘛而不是像你今天的態度一樣連面對問題的勇氣都沒有黃論解決問題啊部長你覺得我講的有沒有道理 |
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我的原則很簡單啦政治人物要選票跟廣大的勞工朋友做出了承諾當你要卸任的時候你的承諾有沒有deliver這就是大家要檢驗的嘛 |
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難不成你幹了8年以後不可以拿出來檢驗喔今天喔是第二趴六大承諾的第二趴下次見到部長的時候我們進行第三趴的檢驗謝謝好謝謝黃國昌委員發言接下來請徐欣盈委員發言徐欣盈委員徐欣盈委員不在 |
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主席好,有請部長請許部長 |
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那除了彈性育嬰假之外還有什麼是該做的 |
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這是我今天想提出來的兩大問題跟兩項育嬰假的改革建議部長你有沒有看過2019年聯合國的關於臺灣低生育率的原因的一個報告或者有人跟你簡述過 |
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有,那你應該知道聯合國的研究是看到臺灣低生育率原因在於育兒跟家務強烈的性別分工不均那這個部分臺灣其實是一個相對進步的立法因為我們當時是參照北歐的就是說就是能夠讓就是不同的parent不同的家長來請那你看到左邊這邊的線你也可以看到臺灣的女性 |
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只有25歲到29歲九成在職場隨著年齡急速下降這個限比日本跟南韓更可怕那這個限代表就是說其實相對日本跟南韓我們有很多的女性她隨著年齡會因為照顧工作被迫離開職場 |
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後端還可能變成是阿嬤的時候幫忙照顧孫子、孫子女這是我國的女性遇到的問題可以看你們育嬰留停津貼的男女情侶人數你可以看到100年到110男性情侶人數都低於兩成 |
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可是呢111年就是後端這個起來的時候是因為就是我們改變了部長應該知道嘛為什麼改變部長曉得就是當你把給的錢增加的時候到八成的時候男性情侶比例就突破了兩成那情侶人數增加4萬人成長了近五成 |
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這表示男性不是不願意請育嬰假而是他的薪水可能平均是比女性高比媽媽高所以相衡之下如果你提高了他就有動力請那這是一個非常重要的數字那這邊我也跟您訴求就是我自己也有參與的我們賴副總統的政見之一這個部長有看到吧有 |
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陸長您本人支持這個方向嗎? |
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當然我是支持的我覺得這個是對照顧幼兒的這雙性是一種鼓勵跟獎勵我是覺得多一個月還好那部長既然支持的話我想我們不用等賴副院長上任其實您現在就可以再來規劃那這是一個就是我今天的第一個想問的 |
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現在我也想問的就是其實我們都有看到育嬰留停的薪資替代率很重要當你長到八成的時候相對薪資比較高的平均薪資比較高的爸爸就會來領那現在呢可是呢我們這種就是投保薪資的天花板是45800他反而是變相懲罰月薪較高的人 |
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因為月薪較高的人他最多只能夠領到36640等於是說收入他如果來申請的話那會大跳水那也影響到這群人申請育嬰留停的意願那不知道部長對這個有什麼看法 |
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有沒有機會我們來改善這一群人因為我想不管薪資高低都應該要讓他們有一樣的機會來請育嬰假這個是要打開天花板因為這個會牽涉到勞保財務的問題這一題委員妳講的我了解但是我因為這個我們的是比較那個主要那個勞保所以這個如果打開的話勞保財務馬上會受很大的影響所以這個嚴重比較大我是覺得未來可能 |
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這個部分就是如果老保的財務有改善的話這部分才能夠來思考當然我記得我們之前的委員也提出照顧基金就是說的那個附帶決議如果部長記得的話那不管財源是什麼我想這是一個我們生育率這麼低我認為這是一個非常重要的改革也希望部長就是能夠花更多的心力不管找學者或研議那因為因為留停如果薪資替代率低的話 |
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等於是讓大家不敢離開職場那最後我就兩個訴求第一個那請部長是不是可以研議提升約嬰留停今天的比例到九成或全新我想我們生育率這麼低那各種方法至少在國際上聯合國的相關研究這會是一個重要的 |
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第二個就是針對薪資超過月頭保薪資上限的勞工是不是能夠提出實質薪資替代率的配套措施當然我們知道財源或是一個問題可是跟我們的生育率比起來我想如何解決財源的問題應該是部長這邊要努力的那這兩個訴求跟今天這個主題非常相關的那部長是不是可以 |
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接下來請張雅玲委員發言 |
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好 那我們有請勞動部 請許部長 |
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一共63那其中中小型企業有幾家呢?我們扣除五十幾家 |
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中小企業?私人企業是53家,但是企業規模...我們這個企業規模都會比較大一點,對人力的運用上 |
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我們來申請的比較多是比較大型企業但是我們是不是可以來鼓勵中小企業呢畢竟從這個數據上面也可以看到嘛中小企業在我們台灣的整體的就業人口數來說是相對來說比較多的有到7成5所以如果我們報名的都是大型企業那其實是沒有反映到我們真實的就業市場的一個狀況 |
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中小企業當然它主要就是人力的運用上會發生困難那這部分我們會未來在我們的那個事辦委員這裡面包括說如何來優先媒合包括我們的發展署的一些就會媒合臺灣就會通等等資源會來協助優先幫他們媒合 |
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但是我想可能只有台灣就業通可能也還不夠因為畢竟我想在上面媒合工作人員還是相對比較少所以我們可不可以再有更積極的一些做法那這個東西沒關係我們可以再繼續的討論但是我希望是說這三天大概隔壁三天之後給我一些現在的企業參與的名單參與名單因為我也不好意思這恐怕又牽涉到這個個人這個私人企業的事業單位的意願問題是不是 |
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這個部分要跟他說明會之後才知道辦理的範圍 |
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因為我們要跟這些私人企業開座談會因為要做一些說明是不是容許我們 |
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再跟委員來回報大概什麼時候?半個月?兩個禮拜?一個月?半個月後吧。月五前好了。現在四月幾號?現在四月八號。半個月前好了。好。可以。那再下一個就是說想問一下我們法律規定的兒童是到幾歲呢?十八。欸。法律的規定是兒上學法是十二啦。人和國是十八沒有錯。那再來就是說 |
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我們的幼兒呢?我們的幼兒是幾歲?我們的幼兒規定的年齡是到幾歲?幼兒是3歲好沒關係我們看一下幼教法是到6歲2歲到6歲之前所以這是幼兒的定義但我們現在性別平衡法第16條裡面是定義就是說他在請育嬰留停是3歲以前那為什麼會定義一個3歲呢?部長知道嗎? |
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因為可能那時候是考慮到又拖的一些機制吧 |
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當時沒錯,1991年的時候是想說我們的幼托機制未真完善所以是訂到3歲但是我想我們在幼托小朋友3歲之後難道家長就沒有照顧的需求了嗎?我們可以看到就是在這個長病毒每次到夏天這個時間長病毒都是個高峰期那冬天有流感我們現在在各縣市是有訂例要停課的次到七天 |
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那這樣子的狀況之下到底家長要怎麼照顧小孩呢?6歲以上這是小時候的部分對我們有家庭照顧假沒有錯但是我們家庭照顧假是的情的比例非常的低耶我們的男性只有2.1%女性只有5.5%因為他為什麼不好用為什麼情理的人這麼少重點就是因為他不執行嘛主要是他沒有給心對他沒有給心嘛 |
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再來看我們再來看這也是衛福部自己的一個調查衛福部調查是說我們有非常高的比例的女性都是因為照顧孩童離職的我們其實今天一直在講說女性就業的人口勞動力不要下減不要因為照顧家庭而離開職場可是我們現在種種的不確定種種的不利因素都讓女性必須因為照顧未滿12歲的兒童離開職場 |
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所以我們這個家庭照顧假呢是不是有可能可以讓他再去做一些修正讓他可以知新也讓他可以去延長延長到12歲因為以現在的需求他就是以現在的一些法規的支持就是不夠欸這部分是不是可以去調整來研議放寬到12歲呢包括我們往這個方向來研議 |
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那這個部分還有就是除了12歲之外還有就是說家庭照顧假之心的部分因為目前就是新聞已經有講了嘛公務人員有可是勞工一直都沒有那這個明明我們最大就業人口就在勞工市場那這一塊是不是也可以這個部分當然就牽涉到財源啦對財源怎麼來解決這個部分我們再來可能要跨部會討論對那這個我們大概什麼時候可以會有更進一步的一些研議的結果呢討論的結果 |
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我是覺得委員因為這個問題會當然不只裁員包括人力的調配等等我們是認為說可能我們再跟相關的工商團體勞工團體做一些討論然後再來看看推動的時程讓我想我們沒有設限就是如果討論大家都有支持我們當然可以很快來處理但是 |
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當然有這個共識之後那再跟跨部會這邊因為財源的部分要怎麼解決必須院的層級來幫忙好那這樣子好不好我們還是因為我們還是持續來追蹤那大概3個月之後我們再來追蹤一下這個進度好不好好不好謝謝喔好謝謝張雅玲委員發言接下來請陳瑛委員發言 |
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好謝謝主席麻煩請這個條平司黃司長請黃司長委員好 |
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市長好那記得上次本席有請教您這個性別平等的問題所以今天我要再繼續請教這個育嬰留職停薪的這個問題首先我要請教的是這個育嬰停留的依據是不是放在性別平等工作法裡面報告委員是好那如果這樣育嬰留停的這個申請比例如果有性別上的差異的話那是不是就出現了性別不平等的問題了 |
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我的問題就很簡單啦簡單問你就簡單回答是 |
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所以司長你今天這個專報上的題目是如何增加男性申請育嬰留職停薪的比例你以司長男性司長的這個身份是不是支持應該增加男性的比例我支持好那司長你增加這個男性增加比例這裡的增加我要請教一下是 |
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男性跟女性比呢還是男性自己跟自己比還是男性未來跟過去比 |
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都要比那我們再看一下這個簡報上面是勞動部的這個新聞稿那事實上呢111年1月開放父母可同時請領育嬰留職停薪津貼的時候就已經不涉及任何性別不平等的問題了 |
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對一個家庭而言他們要考慮的是兩個通通不要或者是兩個通通不領或者是一個領還是兩個都領那我不知道的是說師長你有沒有自己帶小孩的經驗 |
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報告委員我三個小孩那你應該經驗豐富那這個帶小孩跟去上班我們都是過來人我也知道非常辛苦我也曾經帶小孩子來立法院質詢過 |
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但是陪著小孩的這個成長其實他是應該說更有幸福感也有成就感也非常的快樂所以如果在收入減損的幅度不大的時候呢我想大家所有的父母都應該會多會選擇說留職在家照顧小孩子才對 |
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那就是其實我有看到這個安研所有一份這個研究報告他寫得非常好那就是這個這個報告是育嬰留職停薪津貼勤領者職牙變化之探討我稍微念一下這個重點 |
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就老保投保薪資集聚觀察呈現兩極化分配及投保薪資集聚集中於兩端的族群比重相對較高我想這一份研究報告大家有空可以去看一下蠻值得參考的 |
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按照這個現行的規定我們有月投保薪資六成的補助加上兩成的津貼那參考主計處112年全年受僱員工人數平均為817萬8千人那全年呢每人每月總薪資的平均是如果我們以這個58545元來看 |
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而且是以這個最高的這個勞保級距的45800元來計算那每申請一件6個月的這個育嬰留職停薪代表他的每月的家庭收入呢實際上就減少了22000元 |
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而且這個換算起來實際收入越高減少的就越多所以一般收入有限的家庭一般正常來講他就會一定是由這個薪資比較低的那一方優先考慮申請這個育嬰留停的這個津貼那這樣子的話對於這個整個家庭的這個財務衝擊就會比較小一點所以這個問題的癥結點 |
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是在於家庭收入較低的一方統計起來看起來似乎女性的比例都是比較高的所以勞動部應該思考的問題是如何提升女性的薪資水平而不是只是去思考如何提升男性育嬰留停的比例 |
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所以整個數據統計下來其實它是一個經濟的問題而並非絕對是個性別差異的問題所以市長你有沒有想過如果我們的這個勞工朋友的家庭每生一位孩子那 |
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父母親同時請這個育嬰留停津貼就代表我們國家就減少一個勞工人年的一個勞動力那以112年為例我們台灣有13.5名的這個新生兒那如果父母雙方通通一起來使用這個育嬰留停津貼的話代表我們減少的是13.5萬個這個勞工人年的這個勞動力 |
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那這個部分的這個缺工是不是有沒有可能是需要以這個外籍勞工來補充那會不會增加這個外籍勞工的人數報告委員那個如果申請育嬰留時停薪是可以禁用部分定期契約的替代人力那這個部分的話就是我們的發展署那邊會全力先找找看國內有沒有願意來做的人好那我們再繼續看一下就是 |
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基本上本席當然雙手雙腳贊成就是說我們育嬰假越多越好但是要有完善的配套因為這個剛剛講的他可能造成這個勞動力短缺的問題所以如果今天我們就這個專報的題目來看 |
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男性女性的權益相同的時候那我們如果要增加單一性別的申請比例的時候那等於可能造成一個家庭的總收入的減少嘛那一個兩萬二那兩個就四萬四那半年勒就等於加起來二十六萬四千元勒那哪一個這個年輕的這個勞工家庭承受得了 |
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所以師長我要請教就是說你要如何增加男性的育嬰申請假的比例呢? |
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這個部分的話就是大家有在討論說讓他在彈性更高一點的情況下就是說我們這次在試辦把30天看有沒有機會在某一個程度上再下降一點那他可能彈性申請的運用的機率就會再高一點 |
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好那我再來算個那個給你聽就是我們113年同酬日是這個2月23日那男女雙方還有54天的這個薪資差異那你們有沒有針對女力的提升然後補充短期專業訓練的課程的費用嗎有沒有這個 |
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這個訓練的部分的話在我們發展署那邊有努力我就知道你會講發展署完全在我的預料之內你有去比較大型事業單位男女性別勞工的投資這個投保薪資的變化是否有這個顯著的差異有沒有 |
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你們有沒有真的去找性別不平等造成的這個勞工權益損失的證據對來說明有沒有想一想有沒有 |
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還是...其實我下一題根本就不用問因為你已經...你已經露出我預測的問題就是我下一個要問說你該不會認為以上的問題都和你業務無關吧你已經點名別的數了我們這邊的話就是一定包括這個性別平衡的部分一定會一起來去解決它不是一個單一點就是還是我比較擔心說還是你只是會提醒勞資雙方說不要發生職場性騷擾就代表你們性品做得好 |
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不是不是這樣最好是這樣阿你也不要想說那個全部都是別人的工作好本期順帶提醒一下勞動部現在有兩個單位執掌法律名稱變了或者是因為執行的不好那整部法律名稱內容都更改了但是還是沿用這個會沿用原主管法律名稱像這個性平法已經變成性工法了但是呢你們還是叫調平司嘛那另外職安署 |
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職安署呢這個職保法都已經沒有了那業務呢也轉到這個勞保局了可是呢還有一個這個你們還有一個職保署嗎職保組那這樣會不會有一點名不正言不順還是說要不要裁撤我想我就丟出這些問題讓各位主管海巨首長去思考一下那最後本期就是要再一次我要謝謝也要肯定我們許民村部長 |
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非常傑出的領導因為我們這一次準備質詢我才發現一件事情其實今天很多委員提了但是大家都沒有提到後面我要講一下忽然大家耳朵都豎起來 |
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110年提高育嬰假兩成的補助還有111年的父母雙方同時都可以領這個真的是我們徐部長很重要的政績要給他掌聲鼓勵那再來各位同仁你們可以拍大聲一點 |
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那這個性供法的修訂跟這個災保法的這個訂定尤其是災保法更是本席擔任召委於許部長我們當時那段過程還有我們很多委員的參與大家共同努力之下突破了15年以來各界的疑慮順利完成的非常的不容易那災保法實施之後呢部長其實更是兼任這個法人的董事長 |
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但是呢他凡事親力親為但是做兩份工作卻只領一分薪水而已啦那我相信許部長的這個身影會一直留在我們的這個勞動部每一位同仁的心裡還有我的心裡那也提醒我們勞動部的官員們以後這個推動法案可能就不見得有這麼容易啦那我們大家還是要繼續努力以上跟大家共勉之謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好,謝謝陳英委員接下來請劉建國委員發言好,謝謝主席慎重歡迎部長請許部長劉委員好 |
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為什麼你一樣也會留在我心中我們要辦理這個試辦彈性的育嬰留子停薪目前就是要在5月以後來試辦到12月底施行期間我們可能會延後因為有相關的配套等等我們需要認為再徵詢大家意見所以大概會延後一些為什麼要延後一些 |
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你到12月底才剩下8個月你已經的收集需要一些時間因為委員很多的指教我也認為有道理是因為今天質詢之後沒有沒有上一次上一次我們公布那個原則以後很多委員認為我們那個應該要讓整個原則更有誘因然後讓大家更好使用願意來因為這東西所以你們要延後什麼時候你原本是5月1號沒有錯可能會延後一個月 |
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就可能6月1日,如果到12月底就剩下7個月,應該這麼說嗎?因為試辦期間也不要太長,我們其實就是看所以你們公文是3月15日就發給各公司單位來邀請嗎?歡迎大家來參加,對不對?報名其實是4月,有改嗎? |
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你要延後有再改嗎?這個其實陸續還會再收,我們到4月1號有收到的是63家啦齁對反正後續還會後續還會陸續收到不是啊你們原本截止日是就是4月1號嗎?啊有沒有在延後截止日嗎?如果沒有延後那就是63家嘛那你要延後到什麼時候嘛? |
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你們現在延後示範計畫那你的截止日要不要延後嘛可以啊 這沒有問題要延到什麼時候嘛我們大概就是到這個月月底吧本來是4月1號我們就延到4月底4月底現在馬上決定了對 |
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可以這個因為原則就是業務單位這邊如果作業可以因為你如果到原有是4月以後是爆米結石是六三家我是覺得這樣收到的啦可能還有啦因為那個郵件可能有些會比較慢一點有應該也不多了啦對不對對啊就是說小規模看看先瞭解事辦為什麼一定叫做小規模如果你的願意足夠啊就像你們的報告裡面寫了很多歡迎歡迎歡迎啊 |
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﹏﹏ |
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我是不是說比例啦?你們掌握的比例是公部門居多還是市部門居多?市部門多市部門多過於公部門是這樣?對那就不錯喔這樣的政策要去形成之前的事辦計畫那就會產生效果喔如果是公部門大過於市部門那我會覺得很大的討論空間嘛那如果是市部門大過於公部門那當然就那當然幹嘛再延後那就奇怪了 |
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因為之前有委員建議說我們其實在增加幼嬰或許會有更多人有意願所以我想這個也有道理所以我們其實4月2日才找局我們有時候美式委員有時候建議也不一定會聽 |
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你們都聽哪幾個委員沒有啦,我們建議的委員都會聽啦有道理的我們都會我們都會來參考啦但是有些委員的也的確他會擔心說如果我們沒有他是擔心說我們這樣是不是沒有沒有意願要做所以 |
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這樣故意弄一個不是很完整的原則我想也不要引起大家的疑慮所以委員的建議的部分包括幼嬰啊包括...我剛剛就問出一個重點嘛如果說你們到截止日是私部門、大櫃、公部門而且比例還高過很多基本上那就是私部門也可以去認同而不是說因為是你們要推然後公部門就必須要很勉強去配合你們所以你們在報告裡面都要用歡迎歡迎歡迎的字眼然後很多的但書但書但書我還擔心你們會產生淡淡的哀愁 |
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這一個原則有這麼多的彈數 這已經不叫做原則了吧 對不對 |
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報告委員我無意挑戰這一個人的協話不過這樣的規範好像有點奇怪我們1月的時候有召集相關的工商團體有開會他們都認為說試辦OK但是認為說不要一開始太多的限制所以讓他們多一點空間所以我們才會多出這麼多的彈數 |
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所以我們現在有很多委員講完之後就是說怎麼是在5日前那5日前那大家每個家長都必須要有通靈才知道4月3日的5日前會發生大地震對不對然後每一個家長都必須要了解到什麼時候可能會有殘病毒的基底感染所以都要在5日前就要通靈了 |
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不可能嘛,所以你們才會歡迎有低於不入的也可以提出然後幾個小時的也可以提出,是不是這樣?是對啊就是因為這是自願性所以盡量空間大一點啦我們就是定一個原則性但是不是那麼強制啦所以會有一段數會比較多看起來是對委員講的就會覺得怎麼那麼多段數而且就是 |
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用意就是讓大家盡量能夠更多的彈性更多我們要辦這個示範計畫勞動部最主要還是要去反映一個真實的狀態我們才知道這個政策是不是可長可久是不是對勞工真的是一大福音 |
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但是如果說只是一個豁免的保惠還是人力的媒合的優先的服務等等等在就像剛才部長講的很多人就提出沒有更好的幼嬰他為什麼要優惠勞動部現在訂出來這些相關的規範他就不需要嘛 |
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第二件事也是這樣 |
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這個違反 |
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違反了嘛對違反了好然後再來再看下一則勞動部在4月3日的早上9點就發這個新聞稿 |
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很棒然後你看4月3日11點52分這又是另外一個群組裡面今天遲到同仁要請假一小時全請減半你再看下一頁沒辦法這是另外一個群組沒辦法這就是規定我也遲到了甚至於全請不會扣半是全扣但也是沒辦法那下面又另外一個群組 |
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15346.084 |
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這是另外一個群組部長怎麼看這個事情 |
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報告委員有兩個問題剛剛那個群組的line有可能在我們新聞稿還沒有發布之前他們就先那個但是後來我們那個有說明之後我想他們應該要遵守法律的規範那第二個當然有些可能不了解那我覺得我們在法令宣導上要更加強針對這些雇主端來讓他們了解 |
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那包括另外就是說如果真的權益有受損他們沒有改變的話可以來申訴啦齁那申訴的話各地方政府都會來處理那如果還是還是這樣子你都沒有相互我的資料你們是9點公佈的這個群組大概是11點52分我們公佈沒錯啊他有沒有看到也是一個問題啦齁那如果是11點52分我們公佈以後 |
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不一定是勞工看到嘛最起碼僱主也要看到嘛所以僱主看到你們這一張好像也視若無睹然後你們連一個這個通報的專線都沒有只是一個這個新聞稿的聯絡人叫做李先生他留行動還有手機如果像這麼多者的情況之下這個李先生可能要待這個單位待很久我相信也有困難 |
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他會很辛苦他壓力會很大他會生前彈性的那個暈金黑對啊你新聞稿出來了啊連一個要通報的專線都沒有啊上面還寫一個主管的名字叫黃市長黃市長你後面要再括號你的行動啊你才可以分擔李仁隆先生的這樣的一個壓力吧對啊因為我的辦公室找了這三者我可能被委員辦公室 |
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15468.651 |
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15483.356 |
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黃偉你報告是應該也有嘛對不對我們就要打電話給市長打電話給李先生來反映這個事情怎麼僱主到現在不曉得這個事情怎麼僱主還敢幹這種事情怎麼讓勞工還有在這麼大地震大家都舉國都在難過的過程裡面他們為了他們的這個權錢要被扣東扣西還在思考這些事情還會遇到這種事情 |
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所以你們應該是應該是那你還是憂慮雇主制動憂慮法規的心態歡迎沒有啦不會啦這個這個報告委員這如果他們還是執意這樣做那勞工一定可以來申訴啦不管打1955或是地方政府勞工局也都會有專線來處理我希望我希望部長你就聽到我把這些資料提供給你嘛對不對是不是有更強硬的一個清稿然後把1955你就留上去吧 |
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15525.587 |
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好 那這樣司長跟李先生才會可能可長可久嘛以後我交代同仁啦像這些都要把我們195專線寫在上面讓勞工都能夠了解好 最後一件事情啦主席 這個也蠻重要的齁這個大地震也震出很多公關問題我相信這個媒體報導已經幾乎每天都在報奇怪 有地震也沒有掉沒地震也掉 那地震掉了更多沒地震的掉了更少嗎 那倒也未必了 |
| transcript.whisperx[574].start |
15553.178 |
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要不要勞動部署這邊趕快跟國土署然後跟地方政府趕快的看著要怎麼去做這些事情的營業不然就在這樣一個高空的吊壁經常在吊我覺得太恐怖了吧 |
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15568.792 |
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15585.14 |
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像你看去年的5月10日是在台中捷運嘛已經造成一死十傷那同樣的去年10月28日在新北的林口也是這個吊壁的斷裂意外砸到了公車艇還有公車剛好沒有人 對不對?所以你要講給你講 |
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15586.6 |
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15607.231 |
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謝謝委員提醒這個去年兩件案子是跟地震沒有關係這次地震全國有7個塔掉確實有些狀況我們立即給它停工他們後面要拆除或調整當然依照安全標準來處置那這個災害發生之後我們要請各地方交易機構特別提醒有塔掉的要先做自動檢查OK才可以繼續做這都我們做後面就全面展開了謝謝委員提醒 |
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15634.03 |
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我想不是因為只有單純地震這個原因啦對不對因為從去年開始其實有些事是可能沒有這麼嚴重他也不一定見報嘛所以我是覺得是不是署這邊要去會同國土署還有地方政府加強嘛因為現在的建築案件坦白講比照往年來講都是非常非常的成長嘛所以我是覺得這種事情真的不能輕忽啦好不好好謝謝 |
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15639.513 |
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15643.654 |
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好謝謝劉建國委員接下來請洪生翰委員發言請許部長 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].start |
15660.606 |
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15660.867 |
| transcript.whisperx[579].text |
委員好 |
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15683.676 |
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如果要育嬰的人他沒有辦法選擇育嬰留停很有可能他的變成就變他可能是要離職所以這可能反而造成就業上面的不穩定 |
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15721.759 |
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在今年年初的時候我其實有揭露了一個衛福部他是用衛福部經費聘用在民間團體服務的社工人員他因為育嬰留停所以變成他整筆的年終獎金都會消失這部分我在今年1月的時候有揭露就部長來說你對這個事件部長有什麼看法 |
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15724.117 |
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15751.594 |
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我想不能因為育嬰留停而對勞工有不利的對待是部長說得很好那當然這一個事件後來衛福部他們也做出做法的上面的調整那所以我覺得剛剛部長講到一個重點就是不能因為育嬰留停而對勞工有不利的對待或差別的對待那所以接下來我要跟我要談的事情是關於我們的公立大學裡面的問題所以我現在想請 |
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教育部人事處．然後人總的考用處．跟權敘部的全省司機上台三位處長來 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].start |
15774.211 |
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三位處長然後跟司長這個我想跟你說這段時間有越來越多的這些公立大學裡面的社工師來跟我澄清他們在講到這個大學裡面也有因為育嬰留停的不公平的制度我想先請三位處長跟司長來看一下這張圖 |
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15821.395 |
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這是一位校園內的專案社公司那這個專案社公司是是拿教育部的經費的專任專業輔導人員那他因為請了育嬰留停所以復職後雖然他的在職的表現他仍是拿假等但是因此因為請了育嬰留停所以連兩年無法加薪因為他被令於考核就是在我們的規定裡面下一張 |
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在規定裡面有說只要你育嬰留停就會被下面打為令於考核也就是就算你考機是甲等、乙等、丙等但是對不起你還是不能進行這個規定不是只是單一間大學有我們查了好幾間學校在好幾間學校的國立大學的契顧人員工作考核實施要點裡面都是這個狀況我想先請許部長 |
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15866.119 |
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你覺得喔如果這個一個職場裡面有人因為請了育嬰留停所以他就特別被標注這是明文寫的喔就不盡心不能加薪覺得這是不是一個不利的對待或者歧視性的對待我要問教育部這個狀況你們什麼看法 |
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跟委員報告因為有關那個專案教室編制外專案教室的部分他那個沒有是他也是屬於那個編制外的相關的行政人力的一種那他可能那個沒有工作滿全年的這個原因很多不光只是因為留職停薪的關係所以說學校這個部分可能會對他的考核部分是用另一種考核來處理 |
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這邊寫了如果他的工作表現不好但是他就算工作表現OK他是假等的也會因為他育嬰留停而被要求令於考核剛才下面因為育嬰留停被令於考核而且在令於考核裡面就寫明他是不盡心的相比於其他是不盡心的 |
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他的表現如果不好沒有辦法被加薪我們沒有什麼好說的但他表現OK烤雞夾等同樣都是其他烤雞夾等的人可以加薪但對不起因為你育嬰留停所以你不進薪這什麼道理 |
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今天不管他是公務人員還是勞工在這個規定裡面明明白白寫了這就是歧視性的對待嘛因為你育嬰留停 |
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所以我不管你的考機如何我不管你工作表現如何就是不能加薪這上面就是這樣寫的啊而且這不只是一間大學喔這是幾間大學都有類似的規定喔所以那個處長我說教育部人事處處長你不覺得這該休嗎如果按照剛剛部長說的這其實是一個不利對待喔 |
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| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
最後我要說 |
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你今天要怎麼評價他的工作表現我沒有意見他工作表現是好是壞這是一個因素你依照他的工作表現來評估沒有問題但今天很明顯育嬰留停已經成為了他被不予盡心甚至不能升遷的因素了這就是明明白白的歧視對待啊 |
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所以那個 |
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教育部我可不可以請問喔可不可以在一個月內請你召集包括邀請勞動部包括全序部包括人總其實召開一個會那召開一個跨部會的意義針對這些工作者在大學裡面當年育嬰留停就被令於考核而且這令於考核裡面的重點是他就影響他的進行影響他的升遷他是明擺顯明的 |
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| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
這部分能不能召開一個會來討論怎麼來修改這規定至少能夠符合變成讓育嬰留停不要變成是一個歧視性的因素可以嗎可以嗎好謝謝 |
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| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
謝謝洪森翰委員發言那本日會議詢答全部結束委員廖偉翔、楊耀、黃仁、黃珊珊、陳金輝、蘇清泉、陳冠廷委員所提書面質詢列入記錄刊登公報現在做以下決定報告及詢答完畢委員質詢未及答覆或請補充資料 |
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請相關機關於兩週內以書面答覆委員令要求期限者從期所定本日會議到此結束現在休息星期三上午9點繼續開會 |