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| 委員名稱 |
李柏毅 |
| 委員發言時間 |
11:05:21 - 11:14:03 |
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522 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議（事由：一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於中央選舉委員會及所屬單位預算。二、審查「公職人員選舉罷免法」修正草案，計六案：(一)審查委員楊曜等17人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案」案。(二)審查委員蘇清泉等23人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第六十九條條文修正草案」案。(三)審查委員翁曉玲等16人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第五十三條條文修正草案」案。(四)審查委員陳冠廷等25人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第五十二條條文修正草案」案。(五)審查委員許宇甄等39人擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第七十五條及第九十條條文修正草案」案。(六)審查台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「公職人員選舉罷免法第三十二條及第四十三條條文修正草案」案。） |
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中選委主委 |
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其實今天在審的這個選罷法裡面當然還有幾個內容但是其中會讓人民最覺得最被限縮這個罷免門檻的其實就是當選票數加一這一題那其實這一題我也覺得是假的 |
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真的是在上一次真的是在11月20號的時候韓院長召集的政黨協調裡面他形式上通過的二讀版本他形式上協調完的二讀版本就是聯署罷免聯署要加身份證影本這件事情其實已經真正限縮人民的罷免權主委你怎麼看我這樣舉例齁 |
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在11月22號的時候當11月20的時候韓院長召集完這個協調11月21號 |
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我就收到2020年當年在高雄市領銜罷免韓國瑜的領銜人尹立的電話他告訴我說這事情多嚴重以當年的罷免來講要罷免韓國瑜市長的時候來講高雄市兩百多萬個公民宿當年如果有這個罷免連署身份證銀本 |
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當年必須要繳交最少23萬份高雄人的身份證銀版當年2020年的時候罷韓團體他是送繳了40萬份聯署書另外自己再被40萬份聯署書存底送到高雄市選委會來讓高雄市選委會來做查核如果 |
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我們今天在內政委員會審理的這個加一其實是國民黨版的雙保險之一啦第一個罷免門檻加身份證的其實已經沒收了人民的罷免權利也就是說如果還要再罷免一次高雄市長當時的韓國瑜他必須要收到高雄市民超過25萬份的身份證銀本這是多大的事情啊主委你覺得這可行嗎 |
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關於聯署必須要檢附聯署人的國民身份證影本這一點我們的立場最主要基於兩點理由我們認為是不宜第一個理由就是這是對於公民參政權的一個限制允移要審慎現行的制度沒有自愛難行主委你講到公民權的一部分我再提今天還有一個案子除了加一之外還有一個案子 |
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也就是不得提議、不得呈案。中選會接下來你接的案子會接不完。某某人、民眾、任何公民團體對於委員、對於立法委員或對於縣市長對於立法委員當天的言行或主張認為是有問題的話在網路上公開貼文批評要罷免。這樣算不算提議? |
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二、審查委員堅持公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計三、審查委員堅持公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計三、審查委員堅持公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計四、審查委員堅持公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案．計五、審查委員堅持公職人員選舉罷免法第六十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案． |
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這種主張我們都認為必須要審慎必須要讓社會很清楚的知道現在內政委員會現在立法院現在國民黨團提出來的版本到底要怎麼樣限制人民的權利我在這邊這樣主張啦我講一個剛剛我也看到其他國民黨團齁其他不在內政委員會的委員都有來關心這個案子也就是加一的這個案子 |
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包含徐巧欣原本她當選的票數89727票依照現行的罷免制度投票當天給她的人認為她要罷免她的票數是58704票如果今天通過這個加一的版本 |
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變成八萬九千七百二十八票比五萬八千七百零四票的版本多增加百分之一百五十三另外一個葉寅芝委員也一樣增加百分之一百三十四 |
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這個就是人民當初把票投給你的時候就應該有這個罷免的權利你當選了之後要馬上把這個罷免的權利收回第一招先用這個身份證門檻第二招再用加一我認為生生不可啦所以在這邊必須要對 |
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負責的對全國人民負責的對所有可以行使公民權利的人民來表述我們不支持這一個修法的門檻即使它是雙保險 |
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謝謝委員不管是對於這個聯署的時候的國民身份證影本以及當選這個罷免案要多於當選的時候多一票這兩個修正的案子呢在選務機關的立場上我們其實認為應該要非常的審慎甚至於我們認為啦限制是不宜做任何的更改 |
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投票的當天我在投票給這個立法委員或投票給這個縣市長我當年高雄市八十九萬人投票給韓國瑜的時候他就認為他應該好好的第一次來高雄選舉好好的當市長在隔年他宣布要選總統所有的人生氣所以當年會有超過八十九萬票 |
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的同意罷免韓國瑜的人數到達93萬票這個以後也不會有了啦這個已經是空前的了但是人民記得那時候整個公民運動記得其實罷免的門檻不需要到這麼多其實只要到幾萬票就可以了只要到25%同意大於不同意就可以了現在 |
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投給立委也一樣當年投給傅坤祺總召68786票同樣的只要48442票就可以罷免傅總召你今天要把他提高到68787票提高142%這個不是詐騙集團的作為 這個是什麼 |
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這個就是詐騙集團啊這個就是你投我的時候那個罷免權我突然我當選之後我來自肥 |
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然後再來提高這些種種的這些限制騙的是人民啦騙的是人民啦有一點迷思啦就是說你當初投票支持我之後你的立場沒有任何的改變一直到這個罷免案提出來的時候你還是站在當初支持我的那個立場那這個是沒有實證根據的這個是站不住腳的就是說 |
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經過一年半的時間即便是當初投票支持的人他的立場也可能會變化他可能也會流向這個投票支持罷免 |
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對,我們反對這個行為。最後,我也希望今天有非常非常多也是區域立委,也有部分區域的立委都來內政委員會來參與這個討論。希望可以給大家完整的討論,不要中途又議程有什麼樣的變化,我們希望可以 |
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二、審查委員楊曜等二十七條及第六十九條條文修正草案案。 |
| IVOD_ID |
157879 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157879 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-05 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-14 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
14 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第14次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-05T11:05:21+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-05T11:14:03+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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