| IVOD_ID |
157855 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157855 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-05 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-05T09:49:49+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-05T10:03:01+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:13:12 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/66a8e59aed318d21b15d27d45e2e3c8ba99904554a4baaac629e018aee3adde27d6d5c14b1ef24585ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
陳昭姿 |
| 委員發言時間 |
09:49:49 - 10:03:01 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-05T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員第1次聯席會議（事由：審查
一、委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
二、委員陳菁徽等20人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
三、委員黃捷等22人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
四、委員林宜瑾等19人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
五、委員范雲等16人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
六、委員林楚茵等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
七、委員王育敏等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
八、委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
九、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十、委員林月琴等17人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十一、國民黨黨團擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十二、委員洪申翰、范雲等21人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十三、委員吳沛憶等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十四、委員林淑芬等18人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十五、委員郭昱晴等16人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。
十六、委員張雅琳等21人擬具「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案」案。） |
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請發言謝謝主席有請邱部長首先我要講的就是要批評指責別人先讀書先讀書以後再去批評指責別人什麼叫做公民會議這個是國家舉辦的公民會議公民會議是經過幾百人幾千人報名 |
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擬具20人擬具20人擬具20人擬具20人擬具20人 |
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擬具 «人工生殖法部分條文修正草案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案案 |
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賴清德立委提出了《人工生殖法案》內容包括代孕連屬人包括蕭美琴副總統2020年吳秉瑞立委再次提出包含代孕的人工生殖法案連屬人都是現任的立委或是現任的官員如今民進黨主張切割代孕違背兩次國家公民會三次國家民調三次的國家民調治罹患適應症還是為反而反呢? |
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很多綠營車役批評我陳昭芝變了,罵我背棄理想,但歷史斑斑。到底濁世驚飛的是誰?非常清楚是哪一個政黨在濁世驚飛? |
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啊,部長,你八個月的時候,你八月的時候還接受媒體專訪承諾,代理一母要加速解禁,而且這是重中之重,無法和人工生殖法切割。但是民進黨上禮拜一,這個禮拜一上午不過開了一二十分鐘的這個記者會。 |
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下午衛福部立刻大轉彎馬上遵照民進黨衛環組的指示把代孕從人工生殖法脫鉤每個媒體問我的時候都說為什麼急轉彎為什麼急轉彎部長你要不要道歉你要不要對應解禁因應其判的不孕者及男男同志道歉部長你是得到關癌嗎你是衛福部部長還是民進黨的硬生蟲 |
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你這樣失信於民。部長你回答。你講了話啊。你本來要講的,你現在變成這樣。好,保護委員。我想我們衛務部一向秉持著保護人民健康。我說你的話就好了。好。那我個人,大家也知道我是一個從事幾年來的醫界老兵。我絕對站在...而且我這是照顧...那你就支持啊。你現在反過來了。你先道歉啊。 |
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不是,因為在一件事情的討論是由他一直討論嘛,如果是這件事情是很簡單的討論。部長!部長!衛生署十幾年的版本都有代孕,一直到性評委才去擋住。你不會比我更聰明啦。署長,吳署長站旁邊啦,他也不敢說我講的錯啦。我們一直努力在索取各方面的面子。這樣啦,你不要回答,我再問你下一句話,請問你對衛福部的同仁有沒有信心? |
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你對衛福部的同仁有沒有信心?我想衛福部的同仁都是...有沒有信心?你對你屬下的同仁有沒有信心?當然對他們的工作精神專業...好!你有信心喔?信心喔?好!為什麼我要問你有沒有信心?你擔任立委時也關心代孕法案甚至執行國健署署長代孕應該要儘速推行不要讓急於想當父母的人辛苦的東奔西跑甚至跑到柬埔寨 |
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而且你在2017年5月13號臉書貼文說:「不運帶給不少婦女同胞許多壓力,讓我們非常的不捨。許多婦產科傳體亦贊同代理一母機制,在合乎倫理的原則下完善地規劃法規制度,以人文光環帶給國人新生機。 |
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部長,外部部經的預告草案難道不合倫理嗎?之前的草案難道不合倫理嗎?國建署同仁這20幾年來對代孕制度做了多少研究?開了多少會議?做了多少調查?做了多少會診?你知道他們要加班花多少時間嗎?他們做出來的結果,結果是有一套非常嚴謹跟完整的條文。民進黨一個不到20分鐘的記者會 |
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就把這20年來一群公務員累積的薪水全部推翻。你在踐踏我國文官的專業,浪費國家資產。部長,那就是政治霸凌專業。台灣人民看在眼裡,港大待遇人都看在眼裡。你在霸凌國建署。 |
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五、委員王國豪等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案案案案案案案﹑政治霸凌專頁﹑我們都知道不印證婦女男男同志都有代孕的需求。就算台灣不通過,他們就必須遠赴重養去國外尋求代孕,那你為什麼不在台灣建立完整的制度呢? |
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在國人在有國家的法律保障的情況下去進行代孕現在卻有執政黨的立委跳出來說代孕的需求不會消失本來就是啊你保證你女兒不會沒有子宮嗎?不會生病嗎?人類賭博的需求也不會消失哇這種水準的立委人類各種成癮的樣貌也不會消失那這不代表我們要建立制度來應對 |
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拜託,我問你,把不孕夫妻男男同志想要透過代孕有小孩,跟賭博成癮做類比,這是什麼鬼話?完全沒有肖淫之心,本人原來死不了。拜託你贊成這樣的論調嗎?部長你自己說,請你回答,你剛剛都不回答我的話,你同意這個說法嗎?把代孕類比的賭博。 |
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我先回到前面的啦我想我們的核心價值都一樣一定是要解決全國人民各種尤其是弱勢的困難但是所以我們也尊敬尊重這個國建署的專業的一個過程那但是越來發現這個歧異的確社會歧異有可能十幾年前就我們同意了社會歧異博定你有本事做一個我也現在不允許做你怎麼不來做民調你們為什麼不敢做民調 |
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你站這幾個月為什麼不做民調?我有信心做民調一定會贏。那你為什麼不做民調?就幾個人圍著你講?吳署長麻煩你請坐,請回座。我在這裡要對所有期判代孕解禁的朋友說,尤其是不孕婦女跟男男同志喊話。民進黨說要代孕立專法脫鉤,這種說法不是第一次,那些都騙人了,以託代騙。 |
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擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案．立法院第1次聯席會議．立法院第2次聯席會議．立法院第3次聯席會議．立法院第4次聯席會議．立法院第5次聯席會議．立法院第6次聯席會議．立法院第7次聯席會議．立法院第8次聯席會議．立法院第9次聯席會議．立法院第10次聯席會議．立法院第11次聯席會議．立法院第12次聯席會議．立法院第13次聯席會議．立法院第14次聯席會議．立法院第14次 |
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495.445 |
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請部長看看在右邊這些我有很多的資料那只看這張請問有網友問民進黨的沈博洋立委代孕在歐美行之有年請問委員想法是完全禁止還是有條件放行沈博洋的回答說完全反對意思就是說不管你法案這怎麼嚴謹剛剛很多人講一大堆我們好好完善討論怎麼嚴謹怎麼完善怎麼批評他就是反對到底 |
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請問部長,你什麼時候提出專法?當你要擲轉彎的時候,你專法是不是同步提出來?你沒有嘛!你感冒?你們沒有提出專法的時候,就是空口說白話! |
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拜訪委員我想這個都是一個法條的修正都是一個過程我們先先把有動勢的先處理嘛反正對於主張不脫鉤的這個立委我們會好好負責任來審這些法案啦 |
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反對代孕人最常拿小孩做藉口,小孩權益當理由。如果這些人這麼在意小孩的權益,那就應該支持代孕解禁啊。為什麼?剛剛我舉例啦,四年前林昶佐立委啊,就接到個陳情啊,因為台灣人在國外生小孩啊,因為有很多困難沒有辦法帶回來啊。這就是為什麼,因為台灣沒有辦法用法律、用安全來保障這個孩子嘛。你讓國人在國外受苦,他面對那麼多法律跟安全的不確定。 |
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我想我們有其餘的部分我們一定會盡全力來促進社會的共識。就讓他在台灣出生,台灣來保護他。 |
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擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案．立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期社會福利及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案．立法院第1屆第2會期社 |
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然後醫師心理師說OK沒問題的時候又把他別人受精卵強迫把他植入他肚子裡嗎?否定是這樣嗎?然後強迫他懷孕時可以把他生下來嗎?是這樣嗎?台灣有這樣的女性嗎?你也意思是說踐踏看不起所有的醫師心理諮商師嗎?而且剛剛談的都是犯罪行為欸。 |
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難道代孕通過台灣就變成法外之地了嗎?就開始一堆人犯罪了嗎?是這樣嗎?會有一個女人會逼到診間去然後去執行代孕嗎?然後懷孕10個月嗎?會有這種人嗎?有基本判斷的東西都知道啦根本就是天方夜團啦把女人當笨蛋喔!難道全台灣只有民進黨女人有自主權嗎?其他的女性都沒有自主權嗎?他想要幫助別人不可以嗎? |
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擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境、司法及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第1屆第2會期社會福利及生存環境、司法及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第1屆第2會期社會福利及生存環境、司法及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生殖法部分條文修正草案：立法院第1屆第2會期社會福利及生存環境、司法及法制委員等19人擬具:「人工生 |
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現在美國生活他自己有兩個小孩過去順利懷孕他在丈夫和孩子支持下去幫助一對不孕夫妻代孕他說這是一個非常有成就感很開心的事情因為可以幫助別人不然人工有成就感你們也說他剝削別人嗎他說他有成就感你硬要說他剝削別人嗎 |
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我等陳菁徽委員上來的時候他告訴你更多的科學證據所有大嶼媽媽你台灣擋了這麼久人家大嶼媽媽都已經有很多已經有幾百位幾千位的研究還有記得 |
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獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲獲 |
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人家已經前進到這個程度了,你還在討論開不開放,欸不要你的錢欸,自費欸!其他人不要罵我,今天就是我是在場唯一的病人,但是我不為自己,我早早就收養小孩,我收養小孩已經30歲了,為什麼我還在做一樣事?尊重每一個人的選擇,有人可以不要小孩,有人要收養小孩,有人要透過人工生殖技術, |
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