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| 委員名稱 |
張智倫 |
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15:14:19 - 15:29:09 |
| 影片長度 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長針對「勞動部勞動力發展署北基宜花金馬分署事件及如何完善申訴管道之具體策進作為及期程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好,謝謝主席：各位委員：各位官員：大家午安：事由有請洪部長張委員好部長好部長 |
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這是您的上任是因為一位無姓公務員的白白的犧牲所以政府應該趁此機會讓申訴的機制更加的完善那尤其這個北分署謝宜蓉的這個問題她現在已經辭職了可是我想很多民眾還是非常好奇第一個要請教部長的她為什麼可以升官升得這麼快而且過去就本席所得知她就是 |
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負責這個過去有負責過救安基金的公務員那請不請部長可以跟我分享一下您就你現在調查的狀況你瞭解他可以這個做直升機三級跳的一個做這個分北分署長的原因嗎他背後有什麼靠山嗎這個 |
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張永過去確實這個謝永芬署長他的經歷他在做分署長前的職位是什麼我想也大家都都很清楚你不是想請教說你瞭解的是如何我我我我我可以跟文說但是就他當時為什麼這個 |
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跳升到被牽合到升到北分組分署長這件事情我確實不瞭解到現在還不瞭解就是到底為什麼當然我覺得這事情必須是接受到社會的公平你不想瞭解嗎 |
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這個相關的決策做這個決策就沒有辦法杜絕相關未來產生同樣的問題我說我的意思是做這個決策當然決策的人必須接受到社會的公平那到底是誰做這樣的決策您清楚嗎清楚或不清楚若不清楚就說不清楚清楚或是現在不能回應不清楚清楚我現在無法回應 |
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跟委員報告當時謝分署長他前一個工作是在那個部長辦公室裡面的專門委員那在最後部裡面核定這個派定的時候他說他跳過副組長跟組長的這個職位的原因是什麼因為你講到他的職位嘛原因我們不知道程序原因不知道那你三歲我可以確認程序是由勞動力發展署發一個公文建議部裡面來核定他為分署長那誰核准的 |
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部裡面依照人事程序核定的誰請問你知道誰核准的嗎這個要問 |
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當時依照我們的人事的群者劃分是當時的許部長核定的許銘春許部長核定的好謝謝所以現在洪部長你也了解了所以部長他是有職權可以核定這樣子的人事案所以我才要問才要跟我們現任的洪部長講這樣的事情所以有關係就沒關係所以第一點要大家可以釐清那第二個 |
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您今年在媒體上也有特別提到說今年2月有人跟您申訴有關勞動部的一些鬼故事就是霸凌的事件那可是很可惜的當時好像有被辭案的情況那我想要請教一下您自己的案子您自己提出的霸凌案為何被辭案那現在當任部長有沒有去做調查那個跟趙委員說明第一個 |
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其實當時並不是有人來跟我申訴或有人來跟我澄清所以我有聽聞到相關這個謝芬署長這個不當管理的傳聞我有聽聞但不是有人來跟我澄清那你有聽聞那你後續有做澄清嗎那我其實就把這樣子的訊息向勞動部反映那請問勞動部會何此案那你現在當任部長的時候你想要重啟調查嗎 |
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我現在正在重啟調查有關於你被施案的案件你有重啟調查所以在調查報告會提出來這樣的內容那個沒有就只要確認清楚而已我像張委員說我當時其實聽聞的並不是吳姓公務員的案子是對於當時謝芬署長的不當管理的一些作風所以我當然在部分提出提醒可是這並不是針對一個個別的個案的狀況 |
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好,沒關係,我希望說部長你還是要有guts,要來針對你自己提的案子,自己擔任有行政職位的以後自己應該來重啟調查,就代表現在還有你提出的這個案子還有人在被霸凌當中,所以你既然擔任部長,之前有了解的案子應該要去查清楚。 |
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那當然部長當然上星期有一個新聞也很大齁就是當然你當任部長的時候你有要求齁這個勞動部各單位齁到週末的時候來跟你做這個部會間的報告齁那後來當然是因為當然是第一個啦好像本來有說有封口後來你說沒有嘛那後來當然你也改口絕對沒有封口絕對沒有絕對沒有封口絕對沒有好 |
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沒有封口那我想要跟你請教一下勞動部在你講完這些事情的時候雖然沒有開會勞動部上週末有多少人週末加班你知道嗎?我被你講了雖然你沒有封口你也沒有叫大家不要加班可是因為新冠上任三把火大家還是有加班你有確認這樣的情況嗎? |
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我坦白說我並沒有我我我能夠現在不知道勞動部整體的加班狀況還是不清楚我能我也很想知道但是我們要找到一個比較好去了解這件事情好那時間的關係我快問快一點齁我知道你好像比較累齁那你就你我請問一下你是何時現在說要重啟調查你是何時開始重啟調查的時間點是什麼時候是上週上週大概禮拜幾 |
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我們上週大概從禮拜三就開始做相關的作業的討論然後開始從開始做相關作業的準備好那大概調查報告你今天有很多委員回覆嗎那本席想要請教你的是說過去的調查小組有說這個調查的這個調查的這個主持的人後跟這個謝芬署長後有這個友好關係哦那請問一下現在調查小組跟過去調查小組的最大不同是什麼 |
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現在是由我自己親自來當召集人那還有沒有什麼其他專家學者單位有 有會有外部專家有沒有什麼跟之前的調查小組不一樣的地方嗎主責的主責就是說第一個是我我自己來擔任調查小組的召集人 |
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然後在調查小組的成員上面那當然跟過去也有不同部長你好像沒有辦法很清楚的回應到底有哪一些不同吼那希望說你再繼續加油吼到底哪一些不同吼不然只有講不同其實好像感覺有點換湯換藥那我在請教吼當時媒體有踢爆吼就是我們當時的 |
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謝宜榮前分署長他在擔任分署長的時候他有這個長官的直屬公務電梯你知道這件事嗎你當時有去看謝宜榮的辦公室他到底有沒有直屬的公務電梯跟文說明其實那是在發案署在新莊大樓裡面他有一個因為他裡面有好幾個部會不只是勞發署還包括其他部會都在裡面所以那整棟大樓裡面其實所以有沒有長官只有長官可以搭直屬電梯 |
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那你現在是不是可以可以宣布說現在這個長官能搭自主電梯未來是所有所有的公務員都可以搭乘上禮拜二去北分署跟老爸說我就沒有搭那個電梯我自己就沒有搭那個電梯所以現在還是只有長官可以搭因為這個涉及到其他部分因為他是 |
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現在的狀況還是只有長官能搭的直屬電梯你現在去了解這樣的狀況你只是選擇不搭可是沒有想說要改變 |
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那我再請教一下勞動部裡面有沒有這樣子的長官只有長官可以搭的直屬電梯沒有 |
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我希望說第一個部長在這邊可以答應第一個勞動部如果有只有長官能搭的直屬電梯從今天開始起開放給所有的勞動部的員工都可以搭乘第二個希望你來協助就是當你講的現在沒有辦法來協調的這個部分由你來協調讓所有的這個所有我們的基層員工可以來搭 |
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你覺得這樣合不合理在勞動部裡面我絕對不會去要求哪一個電梯只能誰搭絕對不會去要求這件事情所以我自己這個開政務委政務會議的時候前政務委的政務會議你可以提出來啊 |
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你是勞動部長你不是不僅是紅委員是我我我如果其他部會同意的話我當然同意在我們在新莊本部就不去再去區分所謂的長官跟一般的工作人員的電梯的使用所以你可以答應我說你會來提出這樣子的建議嗎我願意來提出這樣建議好謝謝齁好幫所有公務人員發聲啦齁好接下來我想要請教的就是說 |
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未來非常大家非常重視的我們未來所有的這個勞工在週末如果收到這個LINE的訊息是不是應該要10分鐘內回應不然會收到檢討以及這個過去有這個打卡部分有假打卡真實有加班的問題是不是寫勞動部長在這邊可以跟大家 |
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這樣是不可以的是不是 |
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你說哪一個事情?就是週末傳LINE有10分鐘內要回覆或者是這個我們公務部門現在有假打卡就是事實上有上班可是假打卡說提早下班可是事實上還在上班這樣的狀況是不是可以未來可以取消掉?張委員你現在因為你剛才在講的是好幾件事情沒有沒有就兩件第一個就是週末的時候傳LINE要多久時間可以回覆過去謝宜榮分署長是說10分鐘內要回覆嘛那這個問題是不是可以把它解決就沒有以後都不用這樣做 |
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第二個是我當然沒有這個規定謝宜蓉分署長這個規定是他自己的規定我們當然絕對不會有這樣的規定那第二個就是長期公務人員齁就是假打卡就是過時上班可是叫他提早做打卡然後還是繼續加班的問題這樣子對我們所有公務人員來講未來是不是可以把這個問題給解決在勞動部內的公務人員因為我是勞動部長勞動部所屬下的公務人員我會要求 |
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不要有打假卡的狀況會有加班但該怎麼報就怎麼報好謝謝你的承諾好最後還有兩個最後兩個問題不好意思主席第一個救安基金的部分媒體踢爆有花了8000萬在不當的使用過程中那今天很多委員都提說救安基金使用的目的那我本席非常懷疑為什麼媒體會踢爆這8000萬請問這8000萬是用在哪些部門請問部長你知道嗎 |
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還有這8000萬是否屬實?這8000萬到底是只有用在本分署還是勞動部還是哪邊?然後這8000萬的金額是怎麼來的?他到底是8000萬還是更高? |
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跟委員報告這個8000萬其實是我們的媒體朋友他透過公共那個採購的一個公告決標的一個結果去做的查詢這裡面包括勞動力發展署的這個會議室的一個裝修還有公文信封紙張的採購以及北分署的這個公共空間的一個美化跟清潔用品跟影印紙還有一個就是南分署南分署他在相關的建築物包括他那個保取 |
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銷安的一個設施的一個增強跟外牆的整修等等那確實是有這些採購案好所以這上面的資料是沒錯的嗎好這些是在是公開資料上面媒體去把它給去去查到去找出來的對好那希望部長後未來這些都是人民納稅錢未來需要說這樣的情況不要再發生好最後我要問一個重點就是說 |
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在您當任立法委員的時候,民國111年的4月25號,當時您有質詢許明春部長,提出因為台商回流,人力需求大增,製造業面臨三缺問題,缺地缺工缺宿舍,所以在質詢勞動部長許明春的時候,您要求要全面來盤點未來移工人數的住宿需求,而且依照公務預算進行 |
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公辦公營的移工宿舍的研究評估報告需要說來蓋這個移工的這個這個宿舍有沒有這樣的有沒有這樣的事情我當時有質詢這個事情那請問你現在擔任勞動部長你會把你當時質詢前勞動部長的事情給承諾給實現嗎 |
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我當然會針對包括移工的在臺灣的生活的需求住宿是其中一個生活需求所以你未來會來做這一塊那你在做這一塊的時候我們是不是還有很多廣大的臺灣勞工或原住民的好朋友還有很多新住民的好朋友他的這個宿舍問題是不是可以一併來解決不要只針對這個移工的部分 |
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跟委員說明一共部分確實是因為他這個他進來以後他其實因為僱主會需要提供他相關的宿舍這是在僱主上面的責任 |
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當然,好,謝謝 |
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好 謝謝 謝謝張委員 |
| IVOD_ID |
157834 |
| IVOD_URL |
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| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
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2024-12-04T15:14:19+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T15:29:09+08:00 |
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