| IVOD_ID |
157832 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157832 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-12 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
社會福利及衛生環境委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T14:53:27+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T15:03:27+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:10:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01ebf86bd82083605c97b38aaf3e869fe45dd5fe0ad21242f04b39567fafe61e141228277b1494e55ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
洪孟楷 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:53:27 - 15:03:27 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長針對「勞動部勞動力發展署北基宜花金馬分署事件及如何完善申訴管道之具體策進作為及期程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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以往立法院叫洪委員會有兩個人回應現在只剩我回應了洪委員高森洪部長不過該瞭解跟確認一下你的上任你的上台其實說實在話是一個公務人員的離開跟大家不想看到的一個悲劇發生而北分署署長到目前其實你說他拍了影片之後人間蒸發沒有再出現那 |
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現在調查報告今天上午你做的說明是說要一個禮拜內才會出來下週對我可不可以請教一下政府持續在進行在何沛山部長在卸任之前他也承諾是說他會在一個禮拜內再提出過相關的一個行政報告那為什麼你上任之後又進行了什麼樣的一個什麼樣的調整什麼樣的了解讓這個調查報告又要再延後一週 |
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是想說從頭過身就過還是想要拉長時間讓大家淡忘這件事情當然不是是那來就說明一下你認為是說再過從這件事情11月4號到下週變成是一個月的時間了今天一個月剛好期滿 |
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部長你認為我們的行政調查作業拖一個多月你可以接受嗎?如果說當初還是洪委員站在這個位置的時候他能夠接受行政部門一個多月的拖延嗎?那個洪委員我想向你說明因為我們是重啟調查是重啟調查會有重啟調查前的準備作業所以是誰負責重啟調查? |
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在上週我們其實很快就只是重啟調查的作業所以這週正在做相關的訪談 |
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我們是重新我們我們是讓大家可以是重新的訪談那甚至也增加了一些邀請來受訪談的對象是就是希望能夠讓調查的過程的輪廓可以更加的清晰尤其是能夠更從這個無性公務員他是一個被壓迫者的角度他到底經歷了什麼是我們希望能夠更加清晰所以我們現在在進行這個相關的作業 |
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非常好 所以這一個行政調查報告剛剛洪部長也已經講了你是召集人也因此外界也都在看這一個行政調查報告出來的時候到底他會是一個像之前何沛山前部長所提出來的是包庇謝宜龍的調查報告還是幫他開罪開脫的調查報告還是一個真真正正能夠釐清真相的調查報告本席提醒 |
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在我們看到的媒體報導以及相關的一個資料裡面還有上一次我在衛福委員會質詢的時候有講到那位無性公務同仁他禮拜天11月3號 |
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沒有被電話聯絡不上的時候他的家人還有前往我們的辦公處所來去做希望能夠瞭解說是不是無性公務人員在裡面加班結果我們的同仁跟我回覆講是說當天確實有在11月4號凌晨12點多的時候有看到他們的家屬去結果被警衛擋在外面連通報也沒有通報連聯繫也沒有聯繫所以到最後 |
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就不知道這個無姓公務同仁他什麼時候離開因為他被發現的時候是隔一天11月4號早上7點半當我們有公務人員進去要上班的時候發現所以部長是不是連同這個部分也能夠做一個徹底釐清有沒有可能最後其實我們是有機會 |
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部長,可以嗎? |
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跟吳姓公務員親身有關的相關的資訊我們當然都會納入在這裡面所以連這個部分因為本時已經本時這一個部分不是我講是上一次何沛山部長在你這個位置的時候我問他我們的同仁答詢的時候親口證實的 |
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說11月4號12點多已經過了等於是11月3號禮拜天晚上但已經過了12點所以是11月4號的清晨12點多的時候無姓家屬他們確實有到辦公場所但是被警衛擋下來沒有辦法去確認說他是不是有在裡面 |
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就我所知確實有這個事情但一些關於一些細節的部分可能這個可能等調查報告出來好那我們就期待一定要把這個調查報告讓我們看到你改革的決心我希望好不好不要希望啦有點自信好不好洪部長來部長再一個部分是就業安定基金啊現在有媒體直接講是說有八千萬被濫用 |
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好那我請教一下我請教一下很多人都在問八千萬被濫用是重複了是不是我們這個我們衛環委員會來抱歉剛蘇蘇蘇蘇針偉旁邊這位是祖密祖密對本席的詢問有意見是不是剛我提到我講說八千萬被濫用然後祖密直接講說啊這重複了 |
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好沒關係但是本席要問的是什麼要問的是說那我們可不可以釐清了解一下到底就業安定基金被用在哪些項目上面當然因為我們有發函或說我們有要詢問勞動部說到底過去就業安定基金我們支出的項目名稱不得其門而入啊部長 |
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你既然講說當然你也在一個在上上禮拜還是立法委員還是監督者的位置如果說我們現在要求要就案訂基金去年我們這支出的項目包括說有沒有八千萬有什麼買咖啡豆青垃圾裝潢等等的部分能不能提供給立法部門來去做了解我想這應該不是秘密吧 |
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這個關於這8000現在媒體裡面講8000萬相關的支出是這單都可以提供嗎?好因為其實甚至也很多現在其實都在網路上面是查得到的好那還有就業安定基金的一個用途因為就業安定基金其實有法規相關依據12項那裡面其實沒有所謂的政令宣導沒有所謂的政令宣導 |
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有的是什麼有勞工權益的促進有的是這個就業的一個協助但是沒有所謂政令宣導可是居然被濫用或是挪用的部分所以是不是會後能夠請我們相關同仁提供去年就業安定基金的一個使用項目以及他的一個支出的一個細項 |
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這沒有問題吧跟委員說明就安定基金當然它在母法裡面是三個大的目標那後來在致用辦法裡面其實有所謂12項12個目的對但是沒有政令宣導重點是在那三個大項上面那我們確實過去會有一些文宣文宣的經費也就是說比方說它是用在促進國民就業促進國民就業上面可能會有一些需要宣傳的需要 |
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主席 |
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最後一個事情部長新官上任不到一個月我只確認一下你之前有一二再三希望能夠提出要添災要有有薪假的一個部分現在擔任部長還會不會持續推動其實我也在跟業務單位討論這事情 |
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我其實提的只是所謂這個颱風甲然後他如果有出勤的話那應該這個事業單位應該有義務要加給這個工資那這部分我知道其實業務單位現在也在研議中勞金法事實之一條嘛對不對本企業關心這個議題所以我希望部長 |
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竟然在洪委員的時候就有相關的提案那擔任部長了你就更有權力能夠來做來推動來執行來達成所以你之前的提案我們會幫你追蹤我們也希望在未來的 |
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謝謝,謝謝孟楷 |