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| 委員名稱 |
楊曜 |
| 委員發言時間 |
14:42:10 - 14:53:17 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長針對「勞動部勞動力發展署北基宜花金馬分署事件及如何完善申訴管道之具體策進作為及期程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 謝謝主席 主席請下 洪部長部長 我剛剛聽部長在回答張祺凱委員的時候我有一個疑問 所以想要先請教一下部長部長說現在各機關 |
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因為都有相關的案件在申訴就是很多部會都有聽到這個部會下的相關的申訴嗎那都要經過一定調查的機制所以就是遍地烽火 |
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縱使是這樣子呢我其實我也是主張外部委員必須要多於內部人員的 |
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因為內部人員其實在特別是公務體系裡面公務體系裡面是這樣子就是大家可能在同一個單位待久了那他來擔任委員其實是作為外部委員輔導輔助之用我個人的看法這樣子出來的調查報告 |
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第一會比較有公信力第二比較不會有欺上瞞下的調查報告出爐我這樣子講部長覺得怎麼樣我們希望這過程要怎麼樣更取信於外監更有公信力對因為我也不相信外部委員這麼懶找因為其實 |
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大齡或性貧的案件的專家介面其實我們可以把它看得寬廣一點。像譬如說以洪部長來講 |
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法案的提出很重要可是呢我常講 |
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聽說發展署的辦公大樓裡面有一個長官專屬坐梯 |
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有沒有部長沒有去過那個辦公室嗎我有跟委員報告部長到大樓的時候他沒有搭那個專屬座梯那至於那棟大樓因為不是只有勞動部勞動力發展署自己用是整個這個新莊年的辦公大樓管委會他們所做的一個規範所以那個部分從文化部以下他們確實當時在大樓管會有做這樣一個設計 |
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為什麼我對這個電梯有意見呢?因為我覺得很多文化是從小細節發展出來的就是說你長官一走進辦公室就已經有別於其他的員工 |
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大家的格格感會很深所以我是建議不管有幾個機關在那裡是不是大家去統合一下把他取消因為這個國人的觀感也不好 |
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民進黨不要說在公務體系 |
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我們從街頭走到執政我其實對這個是非常的厭惡的所以我自己到發案處的時候我自己也沒有坐那個所謂的長官電梯 |
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對我現在不是說你啦對那我說如果其他的相關其他的部會也同意的話我們當然覺得也不用真的不用去分這個什麼長官跟一般的員工當然因為你想嘛就是說所有的長官都有專屬做題然後久了以後呢他就他就就是他就會發展出一個很奇特的文化勞動部啊 |
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我的觀察這五六年還真的是默默的存在然後偶爾就出一些問題這個是很遺憾的就是說全國的勞工勞保的投保人數超過1200萬一個這麼大的部這幾年討論到的大概就是救安基金濫用 |
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然後再做霸凌有關這次霸凌我有一個問題請教一下部長部長聽說你在立委任職期間就有聽過霸凌我有聽應該是我跟經營部說明因為之前在衛航委員會我就有聽聞過這位謝富恩署長在一些管理的作風上面 |
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我覺得霸凌案或內部的事務最麻煩的就是他的聲音出不來我在未完第13年 |
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其實我真的不知道那 |
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我是覺得這樣子就是說那當初你覺得他的領導風格有問題我聽聞這件事情那你有沒有做什麼那時候我就向勞動部反映你有向勞動部反映許民村的時代去年的時候去年就還是許民村啊你說你向部長反映嘛就向勞動部 |
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向勞動部反映,勞動部有沒有給你回覆?因為我其實是聽聞,所以我在聽聞的狀況下我覺得我還是要聽,那其實是一個反應跟提醒,說你們要注意這個事情這樣子。 |
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所以你聽聞他的領導風格有問題不是有具體的人不是有具體的陳情人不是有人來跟我陳情不是或者是說我手上有很具體的事證這樣子就是有聽說有聽聞對所以你也就反應了對先就反應跟提醒反應了以後 |
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反映給誰部長可能也忘了就向勞動部反映向勞動部反映然後勞動部也沒有給出任何的下文就是當然這中間經過了什麼事情坦白說我不是那麼清楚但是對我現在上任來說我最重要的事情就是說相關的反映相關的提醒都能夠被有效的處理當然 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].start |
521.367 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].end |
544.836 |
| transcript.whisperx[22].text |
我覺得是這樣子就是一個部會的文化是漸漸形成的那在過去這幾年為什麼大家現在一直在講救安基金其實我曾經在這個位置跟許民春就救安基金的補助 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].start |
547.758 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].end |
564.529 |
| transcript.whisperx[23].text |
發生過非常激烈的爭吵許民春還揚言不干了我為什麼剛剛問部長你當初是接獲到什麼訊息因為我覺得 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].start |
567.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].end |
596.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[24].text |
我覺得就是就我的觀察在過去這6年我再講一次就是勞動部就默默的存在每一年只有在調最低基本工資的時候大家才發現原來行政院有勞動部那再一個就是大家討論到 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].start |
597.987 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].end |
626.209 |
| transcript.whisperx[25].text |
舊安基金的時候會討論到因為舊安基金確實被濫用得很嚴重今天不討論因為我們還有機會討論然後再接下來就是你整個部會的文化已經非常的官僚跟僵化所以在內部光是一個分署長 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].start |
627.409 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].end |
655.729 |
| transcript.whisperx[26].text |
就可以作威作福到這種程度這個是執政黨應該要有的警訊部長我們兩個就是各打50大板我當初沒有要求許民春信守承諾辭掉部長這是我的軟弱我覺得部長當初接到的訊息沒有去追也是你的疏忽 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].start |
657.662 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].end |
666.761 |
| transcript.whisperx[27].text |
我們共同勉勵共同打拼謝謝主席謝謝部長謝謝楊耀委員以重心長 |
| IVOD_ID |
157831 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157831 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T14:42:10+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T14:53:17+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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