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| 委員名稱 |
羅廷瑋 |
| 委員發言時間 |
13:56:15 - 14:09:47 |
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| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議（事由：邀請勞動部部長針對「勞動部勞動力發展署北基宜花金馬分署事件及如何完善申訴管道之具體策進作為及期程」進行專題報告，並備質詢。） |
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好 是不是有請召委 有請部長各位好部長好 部長請問一下你是局內人還是民演人還是賴清德派來的要清掃局系的清道夫我們跑一波影看一下 局內人 民演人 清道夫 |
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我眼睛開過刀眼睛開過刀針對問題回答嗎 |
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我現在就是勞動部長我想我要告訴你你在這個過程當中你有很多的資料為什麼外界可以馬上知道有人說是因為勞動部裡面有很多的局係他們都會把相關的資料來讓我們外界知道但我要說的是外界都在放大關注你的一舉一動今天的專題報告扣掉封面三張A4 |
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了無新意夫言了事上一份報告說遭受職場霸凌情勢的得向本部機關長官單位主管人事提出申訴跟通報今天的報告說完善了申訴制度申訴管道多元化明訂申訴電話傳真電子信箱專用信箱等申訴管道請問部長 |
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我個人認為這些文字上沒有什麼太大的差異就這幾天來說我看到你最大的政策就是公佈了你的電話就這樣而已所以請問我們部長上任第10天你是馬上被官僚的系統說服了嗎?針對政府部門霸凌案卓院長態度非常強硬好人他在做說一個禮拜 |
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再給你多一個禮拜就是今天今天所有的委員都在說好聽話他在講真正做不出來又是一回事到底是他講好聽話敷衍人民還是你的能力有問題 |
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到底誰要道歉跟羅廷說明齁其實從我上任上禮拜就馬上在進行重啟調查的準備工作我都有看你也有加碼去邀請一些人來做一個訪問我都知道可是我的意思是說卓院長對外公布講得這麼好聽一個禮拜處理我們引頸期盼結果換來的是又一個禮拜好因為你上任可以體諒 |
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再給你一個禮拜現在又不行又要下個禮拜下個禮拜是禮拜一還是禮拜五我們下個禮拜公佈我也希望盡快下個禮拜是禮拜一還是禮拜五我們也希望盡快那可不可以禮拜一 |
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所以我要講的是每一個文字自制都要到重點而不是卓院長講的很好聽我們引起期盼結果現在做不到所以現在是卓院長要道歉還是你要道歉 |
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那個羅永我們現在的工作就是把這個調查希望盡力的部長今天來到未完委員會喔我們是來專案報告不是來聽你講鬼故事的今天喔我們大家都知道也有昭之委員也有提到你之前在所謂的鬼故事在政論節目有提到你跟誰反映你也不願意去公佈你跟誰反映到現在你還不願意說出嗎當時你所謂的聽到鬼故事 |
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沈大豪問你你跟誰反應你就說勞動部的高層到今天我想問的是縱容而且默許甚至沒有作為我先不提到你當你反應到了這些人當中他們沒有作為沒有去及時的反應處理這件事情這些人你還不公佈所以我再一次問你在政論節目你所提到的你有向上反應鬼故事那個人是誰 |
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我向勞動部反映你還是講勞動部嘛你不講人民嘛勞動部就是一個機關這個機關有什麼人你不願意講這就是官官相護嘛這就是官僚嘛才10天我們見義勇為紅委員不見了變官僚體系的紅部長這就是東扯西扯 |
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所以你到底是紅委員還是紅部長今天在我們這邊備詢的是紅部長還是紅委員民眾心中自有一把尺所以不要一直在那邊東扯西扯沒有行政權也給你行政權了現在你還調查不出來好給你加碼時間問你一些細節你不願意說我要再一次提醒部長 |
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你坐在這裡你是紅部長不是紅委員整個勞動部閨女館現在都有行政權還查不出來或者是還不願意透露細節讓全民知道當部長就是一個很好的照妖鏡走過的路一路一路都會幫你檢視出來第二個我要跟你探討一件事 |
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紅部長 院長對你這麼器重想請問一下你知道救安基金的用途有哪些嗎我相信有其他的委員都問過你了你可以講大概幾項嗎 |
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好當然我無疑刁難吼那我們先看一下這個報導所指出的相關福邊濫用的這些列舉出來吼可以看到今天我們大家都在琢磨就業安定基金 |
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用在裝潢用在一些狗屁刀招的事情花了人民的納稅錢這是我們現在最生氣的一件事情請問聽許明春唱歌是提升勞工福祉嗎部長你覺得是嗎 |
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那個跟羅委員報告齁其實現在在救安基金的支用的機制我知道你會說合宜合法沒關係我都可以我都聽過了但是我現在講是民眾觀感不佳就是部分有部分的橋段我不管合不合宜啊當列舉出來就業安定基金民眾的大觀感就是覺得他是應該使用在勞工福利 |
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但我們聽許明春唱歌可以提供勞工福祉嗎?你直接告訴我可以跟不可以你覺得還有讓勞工提升福祉嗎?有讓外界觀感不佳的地方我當然會檢討這就是我們要的答案所以我們不要東扯西扯就直接就問題來回答那再來我問你外籍移工被遣返 |
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從1月到現在所支出的就業安定基金的費用、機票費給這些外籍移工遣返的費用累積到多少錢了?詳細的數字我們可能在跟業務單位確認到現在還在業務單位確認就業安定基金今天一整天都在考這一題現在問你一個數字你們還不知道還沒有人上來救啊隨便google查一下 |
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移工、機票、就業安定基金一到十月媒體報導說三千多萬 |
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我先問一下部長你知不知道就業安定基金被挪用作為移工遣返的機票費用?跟委員報告因為這其實涉及整體用移工管理的事務在法定上面移工管理的事務是可以致用的我當然知道又是合宜不合宜嘛觀感不佳而已啊但是我現在的問題是移民署現在抓到的這些移工移民署現在用救福法60條來跟你講 |
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說你要來買單那你編公務預算啊你為什麼用就業安定基金那個因為我們救福法裡面其實就有說勞工移工管理相關的事務那你就應該編列公務預算正常之印我支持你我沒有說不行但是不要用在就業安定基金因為人民的觀感真的很不好我們應該要跟現在你有行政權你應該要反映行政院 |
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移工遣返的問題已經越來越大宗甚至有的因為時間快到了他已經沒有居留權他現在有很多人就直接檢舉他買機票不用擔心因為政府會幫他出所以就有所謂的開始檢舉的這個亂象 |
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那個我支持抓移工違法的移工但是我現在問題是用就業安定基金不斷的支出我剛剛問你一到十月三千多萬就業安定基金來支應所謂的移工機票遣返你覺得合理嗎那個論其實在就服法的60條裡面就有講到說這個移工遣返由就安安定基金先行電付這是在魔法那你有還他錢了嗎電付以後要不要先再還他錢 |
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我們會讓我們我們有因為在法規裡面是這樣明定的所以我們也會有電付的責任但能是電付還是直接支我們會有先行電付的先行電付有沒有還就業安定基金這是重點啊所以我要講的是 |
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不管是電付不管是資印你如果是資印你也確定要用資印你把它排公務預算我支持你去修法你用就業安定基金今天我點出的問題你不要告訴我法這樣定民眾觀感能接受嗎而現在亂象出來了我們不用修法嗎 |
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我剛剛有提到他用救福法60條我都知道是救福法60條但我要講的是民眾觀感不佳我跟部長講那我點出問題您願不願意回去討論有可能要又來修法嗎這不是我的手機 |
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我們的行政部門現在確實必須是按照救福法60條裡面來去做執行我懂但是民眾觀感不佳媒體報導出來以後直接給你下一個大標說就業安定基金使用在這個上面上全民都覺得很憤慨要修法要去改變這就是你要改革我們要你來當紅部長就是希望你有所突破啊所以今天我提出這個問題我剛剛一開始就開宗明義講移民署直接用救福法60條 |
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他用的是合法我沒有說不合法但是合不合宜民眾官板加不加這是我們要後續要探討的一個問題所以我想各部會用救安基金一直挖錢出去一直搬出去給各部會用部長為什麼勞動部要一直給面子給各部會 |
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就算你說的他寫在了就業服務法第60條電付我現在還要追你你有沒有回去還這一筆錢所以我希望今天各部會都很關心各個委員都很關心就業安定基金我希望就業安定基金真的不要再變成小金庫我也期許容部長就業安定基金的錢我們很關注還有所有的私人家庭也請我要再一次跟你轉達 |
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他們希望看到你能夠為失能者家庭一起發聲你們在當紅委員的過程當中為外勞的人權我尊重但是他們也擔心一昧的只幫外勞說話沒有去照顧到本勞以及所謂的失能者家庭這個平衡點能不能重新拿捏我並不是只支持外勞移工我是支持勞工 |
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最後我還有一個問題想請問你 |
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目前勞動部目前對於現在的這個併購的方案目前拿出來的併購的方案我們當然現在還 |
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羅廷瑋 |
| IVOD_ID |
157828 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157828 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-26-12 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
12 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
26 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第12次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T13:56:15+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T14:09:47+08:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
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