| IVOD_ID |
157804 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/157804 |
| 日期 |
2024-12-04 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-13 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
2 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
13 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Clip |
| 開始時間 |
2024-12-04T12:51:18+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-12-04T13:03:32+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
00:12:14 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| 支援功能[1] |
gazette |
| video_url |
https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/01ebf86bd82083608a225587c32eea6e4a6acd55cc740f50b44eee46cb88a10650fc6cff46c367e65ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 委員名稱 |
羅智強 |
| 委員發言時間 |
12:51:18 - 13:03:32 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。四、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。【所列預算案僅詢答，另定期處理】。） |
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主委好我想請教一下南韓總統尹錫悅宣布戒嚴你覺得他這麼做是為了守護自由的憲政體制嗎? |
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跟委員報告因為這不是陸委會的執掌因為昨天的訊息也太快雖然我們一直在關注你做一個政府部門的首長你認同這種用解嚴的方式來去實現他自己個人的政治的想法嗎如果以我個人的話我們是站在自由民主的憲政體制不能隨意變更非常好嘛所以坦白講你覺得這種做法叫守護自由憲政體制不是吧是在破壞自由憲政體制吧 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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所以他在跟所謂的解嚴離開戒嚴時代有很大的關聯但我今天看起來我覺得民進黨的朋友對解嚴還蠻喜歡的所以竟然會去附和南韓的所謂的總統的戒嚴對戒嚴還蠻喜歡的那我跟你講我們就從幾件事情來看我等一下就教一下我們的主委你覺得任何的兩岸交流都是統戰嗎? |
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跟委員報告,雖然在大量的交流裡面,當然不排除有統戰,乃至於滲透。任何的交流都是統戰嗎?沒有沒有,不是這樣。謝謝你嘛。就是說當然不排除啦。不排除跟任何當然是有差別,程度的差別。好啦,我問到我要的答案啦。謝謝你答點沈伯陽啊。這句話沈伯陽講的啊。 |
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我告訴你但是我跟你講今天齁我還是要幫沈博王講一句話我覺得沈博王其實講的也不能說完全不對因為現在的陸委會跟海基會我就覺得你們基本上剛剛像黃國昌講的我覺得是在妨礙交流維作你們主業的感覺至少兩岸的交流在民進黨執政是越來越倒退沒錯吧這一點你總不能否認吧 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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我也不知道為什麼今天覺得馬龍可愛就等於中共統戰成功他另外一個我在問你齁你覺得今天馬龍來台齁是不是就等於會混淆中共齁他存在血洗台灣流島不留人的企圖阿第一個阿中共是不是要血洗台灣流島不留人齁再討論啦馬龍來台跟中共血洗台灣流島不留人到底有什麼關聯我的邏輯不好請你開示一下 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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一間我說句實在話你要講什麼表達遺憾啊對啊有有有學生有一個學生講到中國台北 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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所以我跟你講今天是你們准的然後來這裡玻璃心單單一個學生講一句話台灣就要沉了沈博洋的流島不由人就好恐怖了你現在這邊是我其實對主委搞不清楚你前面感覺是不認同沈博洋你後半段又開始認同他你到底是主張哪一部分你到底是希望兩岸交流還是兩岸不交流啊跟委員報告我們也希望兩岸的交流能正常健康有序的進行 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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可是我今天從結果論來講你剛才也承認啊兩岸交流當然說因素不完全在我們這邊啦這我認同啦但從結果論來講兩岸交流是越來越差勁啦不是嗎至少比起馬政府時代沒錯吧我先不講責任歸屬啦兩岸之間是越來越交流成績越來越倒退嘛沒錯吧 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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我直接講個結論當你今天你們民進黨一天到晚兩岸交流是統戰我跟你講我今天最快的建議很簡單海峽交流基金會改成海峽不交流基金會最快預算砍成零兩岸不交流最符合沈伯陽要的東西當然我不會到這種程度我也要講的是什麼 |
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啊 造謠啊 謝謝你啊 謝謝你啊來來來來來 我知道你沒有講交流是統戰嗎?你說任何交流都是統戰不是嗎?你講任何交流統戰你講這句話要收回去啊? |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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接下來請楊瓊英委員 |
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主席，有請主委。 |
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請邱主委。 |
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羅委員好。 |
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主委好。 |
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我想請教一下，南韓總統尹錫悅宣布戒嚴，你覺得他這麼做是為了守護自由的憲政體制嗎？ |
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跟委員報告，因為這不是陸委會的職掌，且昨天的訊息也太快，雖然我們一直在關注…… |
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羅委員智強 |
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身為一個政府部門的首長，你認同這種用戒嚴的方式去實現他自己個人的政治想法嗎？ |
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如果以我個人的話，我們是站在自由民主的憲政體制，不能隨意變更。 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:51:54.463000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:51:55.003000+08:00 |
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非常好嘛！ |
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1 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:51:55.523000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:51:59.925000+08:00 |
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所以坦白講，你覺得這種作法叫做守護自由憲政體制？ |
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0.909 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:00.086000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:00.426000+08:00 |
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不是吧？ |
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1 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:00.626000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:02.167000+08:00 |
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而是在破壞自由憲政體制，沒錯吧？ |
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0.786 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:02.167000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:06.919300+08:00 |
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我們對這個事情還不太了解，沒辦法進一步評論。 |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:06.919300+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:11.671600+08:00 |
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非常好，我告訴你，你這種模模糊糊的態度，也難怪民進黨黨團會去聲援尹錫悅，發文寫說：南韓總統尹錫悅為了守護自由憲政的體制，所以宣布了戒嚴。 |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:11.671600+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:16.423900+08:00 |
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那你說跟你的立場沒關係，跟你的立場大有關係！ |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:16.423900+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:21.176200+08:00 |
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請問，陸委會為什麼會成立？ |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:21.176200+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:25.928500+08:00 |
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淵源是什麼？ |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:25.928500+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:30.680800+08:00 |
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就是解嚴之後，開放兩岸大陸探親，對不對？ |
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0.118 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:30.680800+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:35.433100+08:00 |
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沒錯吧？ |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:35.433100+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:40.185400+08:00 |
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76年解嚴，開放兩岸探親，然後77年陸委會成立。 |
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0.176 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:40.185400+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:44.937700+08:00 |
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對不對？ |
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0 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:44.937700+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:49.690000+08:00 |
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因為兩岸之間民眾的交流衍生了許多權利義務的關係，需要有一個規範…… |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:49.690000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:54.551000+08:00 |
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沒錯嘛，所以它跟所謂的解嚴、離開戒嚴時代有很大的關聯。 |
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0.833 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:52:54.551000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:05.534000+08:00 |
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但我今天看起來，我覺得民進黨的朋友對戒嚴還蠻喜歡的，竟然會去附和南韓總統的戒嚴，對戒嚴還蠻喜歡的。 |
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0.978 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:06.134000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:13.356000+08:00 |
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那我跟你講，我們從幾件事情來就教一下主委，你覺得任何的兩岸交流都是統戰嗎？ |
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1 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:15.639000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:22.665000+08:00 |
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跟委員報告，雖然在大量的交流裡面，當然不排除有統戰、乃至於滲透…… |
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1 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:23.166000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:24.827000+08:00 |
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任何的交流都是統戰嗎？ |
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1 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:24.827000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:26.228000+08:00 |
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沒有、沒有，不是這樣…… |
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1 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:26.228000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:26.228000+08:00 |
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謝謝你…… |
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1 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:27.690000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:28.631000+08:00 |
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當然不排除啦，也有這些案例…… |
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0.5 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:29.872000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:34.235000+08:00 |
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「不排除」跟「任何」當然是有差別，程度的差別。對。 |
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0.944 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:35.256000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:39.840000+08:00 |
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好啦，我問到我要的答案了，謝謝你打臉沈伯洋，這句話是沈伯洋講的。 |
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0.786 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:53:41.472000+08:00 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:03.229000+08:00 |
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但是我今天還是要幫沈伯洋講一句話，我覺得沈伯洋講的其實也不能說完全不對，因為現在的陸委會跟海基會，我就覺得你們基本上就像剛才黃國昌講的，有以妨礙交流為你們主業的感覺，至少兩岸的交流在民進黨執政時是越來越倒退，沒錯吧，這一點你總不能否認吧？ |
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0.883 |
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邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:03.229000+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:06.824286+08:00 |
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我想這個不能只歸責自己啦！ |
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0 |
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羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:06.824286+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:10.419571+08:00 |
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當然、當然啊！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[35].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:10.419571+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:14.014857+08:00 |
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我先講結果論嘛！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[36].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:14.014857+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:17.610143+08:00 |
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但是我們還是致力於推動對等尊嚴、健康有序的交流。 |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[37].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:17.610143+08:00 |
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1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:21.205429+08:00 |
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您辛苦了！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[38].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[38].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:21.205429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[38].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:24.800714+08:00 |
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您辛苦了！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[39].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[39].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:24.800714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[39].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:28.396000+08:00 |
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整個民進黨在反交流，我們沈伯洋都說交流是所謂的統戰，結果你們今天自甘為被統戰部嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[39].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[40].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[40].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:28.396000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[40].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[40].end |
2024-12-04T12:54:31.991286+08:00 |
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還是海峽交流基金會自甘為被統戰交流基金會嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[40].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[41].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[41].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:31.991286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[41].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:35.586571+08:00 |
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莫名其妙的主張嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[41].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[42].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[42].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:35.586571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[42].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:39.181857+08:00 |
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那我再問你一個問題，如果臺灣有人覺得馬龍可愛，那是不是就代表中共統戰成功了？ |
| transcript.gazette[42].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[43].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:39.181857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[43].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:42.777143+08:00 |
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我們不這樣認為啦！ |
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0 |
| transcript.gazette[44].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:42.777143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[44].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:46.372429+08:00 |
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謝謝你嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[44].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[45].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[45].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:46.372429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[45].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[45].end |
2024-12-04T12:54:49.967714+08:00 |
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我跟你講，今天你身為陸委會主委，你這個立場是對的。 |
| transcript.gazette[45].quality |
0.182 |
| transcript.gazette[46].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[46].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:49.967714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].guessed |
1 |
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2024-12-04T12:54:53.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[46].text |
這又是沈伯洋黑熊部隊講的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[46].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[47].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[47].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:53.563000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[47].end |
2024-12-04T12:54:57.145000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[47].text |
我也不知道為什麼今天覺得馬龍可愛就等於中共統戰成功。 |
| transcript.gazette[47].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[48].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[48].start |
2024-12-04T12:54:57.785000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[48].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:09.170000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[48].text |
另外，我再問你，你覺得今天馬龍來臺是不是就等於會混淆中共存在血洗臺灣、留島不留人的企圖？ |
| transcript.gazette[48].quality |
0.95 |
| transcript.gazette[49].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[49].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:10.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[49].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[49].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:13.912000+08:00 |
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第一個，中共是不是要血洗臺灣、留島不留人，這個再討論。 |
| transcript.gazette[49].quality |
0.87 |
| transcript.gazette[50].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[50].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:15.233000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[50].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:18.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[50].text |
馬龍來臺跟中共血洗臺灣、留島不留人有什麼關聯？ |
| transcript.gazette[50].quality |
0.952 |
| transcript.gazette[51].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[51].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:18.654000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[51].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:20.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[51].text |
我的邏輯不好，請你開示一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[51].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
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2024-12-04T12:55:20.515000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[52].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:24.113429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[52].text |
我想我們當初同意馬英九基金會推動這個交流…… |
| transcript.gazette[52].quality |
0.05 |
| transcript.gazette[53].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[53].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:24.113429+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[53].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:27.711857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[53].text |
你都知道我要問什麼了。 |
| transcript.gazette[53].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[54].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[54].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:27.711857+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[54].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:31.310286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[54].text |
是從很正向的角度去看。 |
| transcript.gazette[54].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[55].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[55].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:31.310286+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[55].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:34.908714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[55].text |
非常好。 |
| transcript.gazette[55].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[56].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[56].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:34.908714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[56].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:38.507143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[56].text |
但是現在出現了傷害臺灣人民情感的一些言論，我們也是表達遺憾。 |
| transcript.gazette[56].quality |
0.036 |
| transcript.gazette[57].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[57].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:38.507143+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[57].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:42.105571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[57].text |
表達遺憾啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[57].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[58].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[58].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:42.105571+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[58].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:45.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[58].text |
我告訴你，你們准的啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[58].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[59].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[59].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:45.704000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[59].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:47.027000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[59].text |
我先跟你講一件事情，我說句實在話，你要講什麼表達遺憾，對啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[59].quality |
0.615 |
| transcript.gazette[60].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[60].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:47.348000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].guessed |
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| transcript.gazette[60].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:47.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[60].text |
有一個學生講到「中國台北」，我們的國格就立刻崩盤啦？ |
| transcript.gazette[60].quality |
0.409 |
| transcript.gazette[61].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[61].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:47.549000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[61].end |
2024-12-04T12:55:54.877400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[61].text |
不是這樣，因為他引發了臺灣社會不同意見的對立，也傷害臺灣人民的情感。 |
| transcript.gazette[61].quality |
0.032 |
| transcript.gazette[62].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[62].start |
2024-12-04T12:55:54.877400+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[62].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:02.205800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[62].text |
那我就跟你講，我更要砍你陸委會的預算跟海基會的預算！ |
| transcript.gazette[62].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[63].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[63].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:02.205800+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[63].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:09.534200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[63].text |
照你的邏輯標準，你竟然不能預見我們沈伯洋大師的預言：來這邊會造成留島不留人、血洗臺灣，來這邊害得中共統戰成功，來這邊兩岸的交流就是統戰！ |
| transcript.gazette[63].quality |
0.016 |
| transcript.gazette[64].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[64].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:09.534200+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[64].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:16.862600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[64].text |
你陸委會照沈伯洋的標準就淪為統戰部啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[64].quality |
0.167 |
| transcript.gazette[65].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[65].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:16.862600+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[65].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:24.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[65].text |
多可怕啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[65].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[66].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[66].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:24.191000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[66].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:32.074000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[66].text |
所以我跟你講，今天這個是你們准的，然後來這裡玻璃心，單單一個學生講一句話，臺灣就要沉了！ |
| transcript.gazette[66].quality |
0.949 |
| transcript.gazette[67].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[67].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:32.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[67].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:34.735000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[67].text |
沈伯洋的留島不留人就好恐怖了！ |
| transcript.gazette[67].quality |
0.786 |
| transcript.gazette[68].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[68].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:36.576000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[68].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:44.578000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[68].text |
我其實搞不太清楚主委，你前面感覺是不認同沈伯洋，你後半段又開始認同他，你到底是主張哪一部分？ |
| transcript.gazette[68].quality |
0.857 |
| transcript.gazette[69].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[69].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:44.718000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[69].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:46.399000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[69].text |
你到底是希望兩岸交流還是兩岸不交流？ |
| transcript.gazette[69].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[70].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[70].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:47.379000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[70].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:53.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[70].text |
跟委員報告，我們也希望兩岸的交流能正常健康有序的進行，當然中國大陸對臺灣的統戰…… |
| transcript.gazette[70].quality |
0.73 |
| transcript.gazette[71].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[71].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:53.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[71].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:54.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[71].text |
中國大陸對臺灣的統戰…… |
| transcript.gazette[71].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[72].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[72].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:54.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[72].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:55.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[72].text |
我們還是要透過一定的程序把它導正。 |
| transcript.gazette[72].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[73].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[73].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:55.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[73].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:56.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[73].text |
我先跟你講，中國大陸對臺灣的統戰跟企圖，臺灣民眾知之甚深啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[73].quality |
0.074 |
| transcript.gazette[74].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[74].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:56.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[74].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:57.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[74].text |
這麼多年來…… |
| transcript.gazette[74].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[75].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[75].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:57.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[75].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:58.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[75].text |
我覺得中國大陸當然會有政治企圖…… |
| transcript.gazette[75].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[76].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[76].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:58.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[76].end |
2024-12-04T12:56:59.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[76].text |
但是，如果…… |
| transcript.gazette[76].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[77].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[77].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:59.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[77].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:00.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[77].text |
所以我們面對交流就是要透過我們在場各位同仁的努力，把它導正成正常健康…… |
| transcript.gazette[77].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[78].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[78].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:00.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[78].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:01.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[78].text |
當然啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[78].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[79].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[79].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:01.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[79].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:02.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[79].text |
非常好啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[79].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[80].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[80].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:02.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[80].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:03.968000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[80].text |
可是，我要先跟你講，好好勸勸那位黑熊老大，他講了一些很奇怪、莫名其妙的話。 |
| transcript.gazette[80].quality |
0.031 |
| transcript.gazette[81].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[81].start |
2024-12-04T12:56:57.230000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[81].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:47.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[81].text |
再來我要跟你講，今天兩岸之間，說真的，陸委會的存在跟海基會的存在就是為交流而衍生的兩個單位，可是我今天從結果論來講，你剛剛也承認了，兩岸交流當然因素不完全在我們這邊，這我認同，但從結果論來講，兩岸交流是越來越差勁，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[81].quality |
0.6 |
| transcript.gazette[82].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[82].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:47.192000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[82].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:47.852000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[82].text |
至少比起馬政府時代，沒錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[82].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[83].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[83].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:48.173000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[83].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:49.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[83].text |
我先不講責任歸屬，兩岸之間交流的成績是越來越倒退，沒錯吧？ |
| transcript.gazette[83].quality |
0.923 |
| transcript.gazette[84].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[84].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:49.793000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[84].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:50.854750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[84].text |
但是我跟你講，我就不懂，這又是我不懂的邏輯，如果你是一個企業管理者，你的部門成果越來越差，請問你給這個部門的預算是越來越高還是越來越低？ |
| transcript.gazette[84].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[85].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[85].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:50.854750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[85].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:51.916500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[85].text |
跟委員報告，雖然實際上的交流可能不像以前，但是我們還有一個重要的責任，就是要維護我們國家安全、維護我們在…… |
| transcript.gazette[85].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[86].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[86].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:51.916500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[86].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:52.978250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[86].text |
如果要維護國家安全，陸委會改成國安會就快一點，改成國安局也快一點。 |
| transcript.gazette[86].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[87].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[87].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:52.978250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[87].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:54.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[87].text |
照問題回答、照問題回答。 |
| transcript.gazette[87].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[88].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[88].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:54.040000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[88].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:55.101750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[88].text |
他問你在這種情況下，你預算應該高還是低…… |
| transcript.gazette[88].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[89].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[89].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:55.101750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[89].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:56.163500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[89].text |
我們在兩岸目前的現況下，其經營成本可能會更高，因為我們沒辦法跟中國大陸直接對話…… |
| transcript.gazette[89].quality |
0.054 |
| transcript.gazette[90].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[90].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:56.163500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[90].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:57.225250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[90].text |
我跟你講，陸委會主委我來當好了，我把兩岸調成零，經費就漲3,000倍，哇！ |
| transcript.gazette[90].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[91].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[91].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:57.225250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[91].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:58.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[91].text |
多開心啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[91].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[92].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[92].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:58.287000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[92].end |
2024-12-04T12:57:59.348750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[92].text |
因為兩岸我做得越爛，代表需要的經費就越高，預算爭取是這樣爭取的啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[92].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[93].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[93].start |
2024-12-04T12:57:59.348750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[93].end |
2024-12-04T12:58:00.410500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[93].text |
最誇張的就是你們海基會啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[93].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[94].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[94].start |
2024-12-04T12:58:00.410500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[94].end |
2024-12-04T12:58:01.472250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[94].text |
短短一年竟然可以增加7,000萬的捐助，增加40%，你當全國老百姓是「盤仔」是不是？ |
| transcript.gazette[94].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[95].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[95].start |
2024-12-04T12:58:01.472250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[95].end |
2024-12-04T12:58:02.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[95].text |
你怎麼會想像到會准你這個預算過呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[95].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[96].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[96].start |
2024-12-04T12:58:02.534000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[96].end |
2024-12-04T12:58:02.634000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[96].text |
跟委員報告…… |
| transcript.gazette[96].quality |
0.4 |
| transcript.gazette[97].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[97].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:16.251000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[97].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:34.705000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[97].text |
我跟你講，因為時間有限，我直接講個結論，當今天你們民進黨一天到晚說兩岸交流是統戰，我跟你講，我有個最快的建議，很簡單，海峽交流基金會改成海峽不交流基金會最快，預算砍成零、兩岸不交流最符合沈伯洋要的東西啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[97].quality |
0.837 |
| transcript.gazette[98].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[98].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:34.845000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[98].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:36.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[98].text |
當然我不會到這種程度啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[98].quality |
0.909 |
| transcript.gazette[99].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[99].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:36.806000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[99].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:37.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[99].text |
造謠啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[99].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[100].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[100].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:37.847000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[100].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:39.868000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[100].text |
我要講的是什麼？造謠！造謠？ |
| transcript.gazette[100].quality |
0.818 |
| transcript.gazette[101].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[101].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:41.290000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[101].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:41.410000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[101].text |
謝謝你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[101].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[102].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[102].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:43.151000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[102].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:47.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[102].text |
來、來、來，你沒有講交流是統戰嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[102].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[103].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:47.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[103].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:48.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[103].text |
我是說對…… |
| transcript.gazette[103].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[104].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[104].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:47.536000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[104].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:51.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[104].text |
你說任何交流都是統戰，不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[104].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[105].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:51.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[105].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:52.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[105].text |
你是被新聞媒體…… |
| transcript.gazette[105].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[106].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[106].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:51.099000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[106].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:52.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[106].text |
你講任何交流都是統戰，你有沒有講這句話？ |
| transcript.gazette[106].quality |
0.722 |
| transcript.gazette[107].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[107].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:52.921000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[107].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:53.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[107].text |
要收回去啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[107].quality |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[108].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:53.521000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[108].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:56.489792+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[108].text |
我說對中國來說，自己回去看新聞標題啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[108].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[109].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[109].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:56.489792+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[109].end |
2024-12-04T12:59:59.458583+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[109].text |
你有沒有講這句話？ |
| transcript.gazette[109].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[110].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[110].start |
2024-12-04T12:59:59.458583+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[110].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:02.427375+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[110].text |
不要利用言論免責權！少來！少來！ |
| transcript.gazette[110].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[111].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[111].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:02.427375+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[111].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:05.396167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[111].text |
你有沒有講留島不留人？ |
| transcript.gazette[111].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[112].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[112].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:05.396167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[112].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:08.364958+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[112].text |
你有沒有講覺得馬龍可愛就是中共統戰成功？ |
| transcript.gazette[112].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[113].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[113].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:08.364958+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[113].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:11.333750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[113].text |
廢話，中國要進攻臺灣的目的就是這樣子。 |
| transcript.gazette[113].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[114].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[114].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:11.333750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[114].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:14.302542+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[114].text |
不好意思，不是發言的委員…… |
| transcript.gazette[114].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[115].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[115].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:14.302542+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[115].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:17.271333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[115].text |
我跟你講，黑熊老大！ |
| transcript.gazette[115].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[116].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[116].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:17.271333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[116].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:20.240125+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[116].text |
黑熊老大！ |
| transcript.gazette[116].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[117].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[117].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:20.240125+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[117].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:23.208917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[117].text |
我們尊重發言的委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[117].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[118].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[118].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:23.208917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[118].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:26.177708+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[118].text |
不要造謠…… |
| transcript.gazette[118].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[119].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[119].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:26.177708+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[119].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:29.146500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[119].text |
黑熊老大，黑熊老大，我跟你講，你不要抗議我啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[119].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[120].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[120].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:29.146500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[120].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:32.115292+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[120].text |
你不要抗議我啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[120].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[121].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[121].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:32.115292+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[121].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:35.084083+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[121].text |
我沒有在抗議你啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[121].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[122].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[122].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:35.084083+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[122].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:38.052875+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[122].text |
您可以等您質詢的時候…… |
| transcript.gazette[122].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[123].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[123].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:38.052875+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[123].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:41.021667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[123].text |
你不要抗議我，真的！ |
| transcript.gazette[123].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[124].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[124].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:41.021667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[124].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:43.990458+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[124].text |
你要抗議我們邱主委啦，剛剛邱主委都打你臉了，我也很同情你，我剛一直幫你爭取啊…… |
| transcript.gazette[124].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[125].speaker |
邱主任委員垂正 |
| transcript.gazette[125].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:43.990458+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[125].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:46.959250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[125].text |
委員，我們追求對等、健康且有序的交流…… |
| transcript.gazette[125].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[126].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[126].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:46.959250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[126].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:49.928042+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[126].text |
不用再講這些東西，每次都說幫賴清德爭取、幫民進黨爭取…… |
| transcript.gazette[126].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[127].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[127].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:49.928042+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[127].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:52.896833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[127].text |
你沈伯洋的理念由我羅智強在幫你質詢，你要謝謝我啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[127].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[128].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[128].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:52.896833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[128].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:55.865625+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[128].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[128].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[129].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[129].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:55.865625+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[129].end |
2024-12-04T13:00:58.834417+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[129].text |
兩岸交流都有統戰，第一個要廢的陸委會跟海基會啊，符合黑熊學院的理念啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[129].quality |
0.062 |
| transcript.gazette[130].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[130].start |
2024-12-04T13:00:58.834417+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[130].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:01.803208+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[130].text |
對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[130].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[131].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[131].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:01.803208+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[131].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:04.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[131].text |
不能夠搞「留島不留人」啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[131].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[132].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[132].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:04.772000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[132].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:07.740792+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[132].text |
不是嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[132].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[133].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[133].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:07.740792+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[133].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:10.709583+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[133].text |
剛剛還造謠……還敢講…… |
| transcript.gazette[133].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[134].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[134].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:10.709583+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[134].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:13.678375+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[134].text |
請非質詢的委員尊重一下，請沒有質詢的委員尊重一下。 |
| transcript.gazette[134].quality |
0.043 |
| transcript.gazette[135].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[135].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:13.678375+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[135].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:16.647167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[135].text |
我告訴你，今天陸委會、海基會存在的目的就是為了交流，照你的邏輯我幫你講啊，我多支持愛護你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[135].quality |
0.049 |
| transcript.gazette[136].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[136].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:16.647167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[136].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:19.615958+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[136].text |
黑熊學院不敢當校長的沈委員，你厲害嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[136].quality |
0.059 |
| transcript.gazette[137].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[137].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:19.615958+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[137].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:22.584750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[137].text |
我幫你講話嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[137].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[138].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[138].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:22.584750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[138].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:25.553542+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[138].text |
我就認同你，要怎麼樣？ |
| transcript.gazette[138].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[139].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[139].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:25.553542+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[139].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:28.522333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[139].text |
我認同你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[139].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[140].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[140].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:28.522333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[140].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:31.491125+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[140].text |
我認同你啊，所以叫陸委會把預算刪光光，兩岸不要交流啊，我認同你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[140].quality |
0.069 |
| transcript.gazette[141].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[141].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:31.491125+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[141].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:34.459917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[141].text |
不要用這種言論免責權造謠，你直接問就好，問我幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[141].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[142].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[142].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:34.459917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[142].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:37.428708+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[142].text |
我問你幹嘛？ |
| transcript.gazette[142].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[143].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[143].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:37.428708+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[143].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:40.397500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[143].text |
今天你在那邊…… |
| transcript.gazette[143].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[144].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[144].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:40.397500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[144].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:43.366292+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[144].text |
造謠是你家的事啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[144].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[145].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[145].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:43.366292+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[145].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:46.335083+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[145].text |
不要再造謠了啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[145].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[146].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[146].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:46.335083+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[146].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:49.303875+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[146].text |
哎呦，我告訴你，黑熊也不要顛倒是非到這種程度。好啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[146].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[147].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[147].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:49.303875+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[147].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:52.272667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[147].text |
請尊重發言的委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[147].quality |
0.125 |
| transcript.gazette[148].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[148].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:52.272667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[148].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:55.241458+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[148].text |
我在這邊質詢是誰進來鬧場的啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[148].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[149].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[149].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:55.241458+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[149].end |
2024-12-04T13:01:58.210250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[149].text |
你在造謠啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[149].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[150].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[150].start |
2024-12-04T13:01:58.210250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[150].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:01.179042+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[150].text |
是誰進來鬧場的啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[150].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[151].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[151].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:01.179042+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[151].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:04.147833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[151].text |
你時間已經到了，我就告訴你不要再造謠！ |
| transcript.gazette[151].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[152].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[152].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:04.147833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[152].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:07.116625+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[152].text |
造謠不造謠不是今天你沈伯熊、沈黑熊一句話就可以，對不對？ |
| transcript.gazette[152].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[153].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[153].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:07.116625+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[153].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:10.085417+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[153].text |
沈伯熊是什麼啦，你連中文都不會喔？ |
| transcript.gazette[153].quality |
0.067 |
| transcript.gazette[154].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[154].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:10.085417+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[154].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:13.054208+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[154].text |
對不對啦，口誤啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[154].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[155].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[155].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:13.054208+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[155].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:16.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[155].text |
沈黑熊啦，好不好？ |
| transcript.gazette[155].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[156].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[156].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:16.023000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[156].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:18.991792+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[156].text |
對不起啦！ |
| transcript.gazette[156].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[157].speaker |
沈委員伯洋 |
| transcript.gazette[157].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:18.991792+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[157].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:21.960583+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[157].text |
新聞報導也不會看，別人發言內容也不看，隨便亂扣帽子…… |
| transcript.gazette[157].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[158].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[158].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:21.960583+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[158].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:24.929375+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[158].text |
請沈委員尊重一下質詢的委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[158].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[159].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[159].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:24.929375+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[159].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:27.898167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[159].text |
你來這邊鬧場，叫我今天針對我的質詢要回答，沒有關係，我告訴你，來、來、來，沒關係，沒關係，你偉大，你真正偉大！ |
| transcript.gazette[159].quality |
0.023 |
| transcript.gazette[160].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[160].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:27.898167+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[160].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:30.866958+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[160].text |
沈委員，請尊重一下質詢委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[160].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[161].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[161].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:30.866958+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[161].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:33.835750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[161].text |
本人在立法院到現在為止，沒有委員在台上質詢有委員在底下鬧場過，你厲害！ |
| transcript.gazette[161].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[162].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[162].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:33.835750+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[162].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:36.804542+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[162].text |
你第一個！ |
| transcript.gazette[162].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[163].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[163].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:36.804542+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[163].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:39.773333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[163].text |
你厲害！ |
| transcript.gazette[163].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[164].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[164].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:39.773333+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[164].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:42.742125+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[164].text |
你厲害！ |
| transcript.gazette[164].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[165].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[165].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:42.742125+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[165].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:45.710917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[165].text |
我佩服你啊，我欣賞你啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[165].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[166].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[166].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:45.710917+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[166].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:48.679708+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[166].text |
我告訴你，很簡單，今天為了我們偉大的沈黑熊的信念，我直接跟主委跟海基會講，你莫名其妙嘛！ |
| transcript.gazette[166].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[167].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[167].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:48.679708+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[167].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:51.648500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[167].text |
對不起沈伯洋啦，海峽根本照他的邏輯不該交流，結果呢？ |
| transcript.gazette[167].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[168].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[168].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:51.648500+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[168].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:54.617292+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[168].text |
你預算還增加40%，捐助增加40%，你是當今天黑熊學院都是白癡嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[168].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[169].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[169].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:54.617292+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[169].end |
2024-12-04T13:02:57.586083+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[169].text |
黑熊學院的人都廢了嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[169].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[170].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[170].start |
2024-12-04T13:02:57.586083+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[170].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:00.554875+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[170].text |
黑熊學院今天都是數學的笨蛋嗎？ |
| transcript.gazette[170].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[171].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[171].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:00.554875+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[171].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:03.523667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[171].text |
預算那麼爛，你對得起黑熊學院？ |
| transcript.gazette[171].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[172].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[172].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:03.523667+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[172].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:06.492458+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[172].text |
你沒有績效，然後你還要增加40%的預算？ |
| transcript.gazette[172].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[173].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[173].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:06.492458+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[173].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:09.461250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[173].text |
我跟你講，我為黑熊學院不值啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[173].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[174].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[174].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:09.461250+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[174].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:12.430042+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[174].text |
沈伯洋可憐啊，沈伯洋苦口婆心，你們陸委會沒聽到啊？ |
| transcript.gazette[174].quality |
0.136 |
| transcript.gazette[175].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[175].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:12.430042+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[175].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:15.398833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[175].text |
我最後只講一句話，我跟你講，你們主動撤回這40%捐助啦，真的，不然對不起沈伯洋啦，兩岸之間怎麼可以交流？ |
| transcript.gazette[175].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[176].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[176].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:15.398833+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[176].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:18.367625+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[176].text |
留島不留人啊！ |
| transcript.gazette[176].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[177].speaker |
羅委員智強 |
| transcript.gazette[177].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:18.367625+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[177].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:21.336417+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[177].text |
沈伯洋講的啊，謝謝你！ |
| transcript.gazette[177].quality |
0 |
| transcript.gazette[178].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[178].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:21.336417+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[178].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:24.305208+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[178].text |
謝謝羅智強委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[178].quality |
0.286 |
| transcript.gazette[179].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[179].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:24.305208+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[179].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:27.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[179].text |
現場的委員請注意秩序。 |
| transcript.gazette[179].quality |
0.2 |
| transcript.gazette[180].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[180].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:27.274000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].guessed |
|
| transcript.gazette[180].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:27.314000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[180].text |
我們請楊瓊瓔委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[180].quality |
0.625 |
| transcript.gazette[181].speaker |
主席 |
| transcript.gazette[181].start |
2024-12-04T13:03:27.814000+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].guessed |
1 |
| transcript.gazette[181].end |
2024-12-04T13:03:30.099714+08:00 |
| transcript.gazette[181].text |
請尊重質詢的委員。 |
| transcript.gazette[181].quality |
0 |
| gazette.lineno |
2946 |
| gazette.blocks[0][0] |
羅委員智強：（12時51分）主席，有請主委。 |
| gazette.blocks[1][0] |
主席：請邱主委。 |
| gazette.blocks[2][0] |
邱主任委員垂正：羅委員好。 |
| gazette.blocks[3][0] |
羅委員智強：主委好。我想請教一下，南韓總統尹錫悅宣布戒嚴，你覺得他這麼做是為了守護自由的憲政體制嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[4][0] |
邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，因為這不是陸委會的職掌，且昨天的訊息也太快，雖然我們一直在關注…… |
| gazette.blocks[5][0] |
羅委員智強：身為一個政府部門的首長，你認同這種用戒嚴的方式去實現他自己個人的政治想法嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[6][0] |
邱主任委員垂正：如果以我個人的話，我們是站在自由民主的憲政體制，不能隨意變更。 |
| gazette.blocks[7][0] |
羅委員智強：非常好嘛！所以坦白講，你覺得這種作法叫做守護自由憲政體制？不是吧？而是在破壞自由憲政體制，沒錯吧？ |
| gazette.blocks[8][0] |
邱主任委員垂正：我們對這個事情還不太了解，沒辦法進一步評論。 |
| gazette.blocks[9][0] |
羅委員智強：非常好，我告訴你，你這種模模糊糊的態度，也難怪民進黨黨團會去聲援尹錫悅，發文寫說：南韓總統尹錫悅為了守護自由憲政的體制，所以宣布了戒嚴。那你說跟你的立場沒關係，跟你的立場大有關係！請問，陸委會為什麼會成立？淵源是什麼？就是解嚴之後，開放兩岸大陸探親，對不對？沒錯吧？76年解嚴，開放兩岸探親，然後77年陸委會成立。對不對？ |
| gazette.blocks[10][0] |
邱主任委員垂正：因為兩岸之間民眾的交流衍生了許多權利義務的關係，需要有一個規範…… |
| gazette.blocks[11][0] |
羅委員智強：沒錯嘛，所以它跟所謂的解嚴、離開戒嚴時代有很大的關聯。但我今天看起來，我覺得民進黨的朋友對戒嚴還蠻喜歡的，竟然會去附和南韓總統的戒嚴，對戒嚴還蠻喜歡的。那我跟你講，我們從幾件事情來就教一下主委，你覺得任何的兩岸交流都是統戰嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[12][0] |
邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，雖然在大量的交流裡面，當然不排除有統戰、乃至於滲透…… |
| gazette.blocks[13][0] |
羅委員智強：任何的交流都是統戰嗎？ |
| gazette.blocks[14][0] |
邱主任委員垂正：沒有、沒有，不是這樣…… |
| gazette.blocks[15][0] |
羅委員智強：謝謝你…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：當然不排除啦，也有這些案例…… |
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羅委員智強：「不排除」跟「任何」當然是有差別，程度的差別。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：對。 |
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羅委員智強：好啦，我問到我要的答案了，謝謝你打臉沈伯洋，這句話是沈伯洋講的。但是我今天還是要幫沈伯洋講一句話，我覺得沈伯洋講的其實也不能說完全不對，因為現在的陸委會跟海基會，我就覺得你們基本上就像剛才黃國昌講的，有以妨礙交流為你們主業的感覺，至少兩岸的交流在民進黨執政時是越來越倒退，沒錯吧，這一點你總不能否認吧？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：我想這個不能只歸責自己啦！ |
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羅委員智強：當然、當然啊！我先講結果論嘛！ |
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邱主任委員垂正：但是我們還是致力於推動對等尊嚴、健康有序的交流。 |
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羅委員智強：您辛苦了！您辛苦了！整個民進黨在反交流，我們沈伯洋都說交流是所謂的統戰，結果你們今天自甘為被統戰部嗎？還是海峽交流基金會自甘為被統戰交流基金會嗎？莫名其妙的主張嘛！ |
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那我再問你一個問題，如果臺灣有人覺得馬龍可愛，那是不是就代表中共統戰成功了？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：我們不這樣認為啦！ |
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羅委員智強：謝謝你嘛！我跟你講，今天你身為陸委會主委，你這個立場是對的。這又是沈伯洋黑熊部隊講的啊！我也不知道為什麼今天覺得馬龍可愛就等於中共統戰成功。另外，我再問你，你覺得今天馬龍來臺是不是就等於會混淆中共存在血洗臺灣、留島不留人的企圖？第一個，中共是不是要血洗臺灣、留島不留人，這個再討論。馬龍來臺跟中共血洗臺灣、留島不留人有什麼關聯？我的邏輯不好，請你開示一下。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：我想我們當初同意馬英九基金會推動這個交流…… |
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羅委員智強：你都知道我要問什麼了。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：是從很正向的角度去看。 |
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羅委員智強：非常好。 |
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邱主任委員垂正：但是現在出現了傷害臺灣人民情感的一些言論，我們也是表達遺憾。 |
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羅委員智強：表達遺憾啦！我告訴你，你們准的啊！我先跟你講一件事情，我說句實在話，你要講什麼表達遺憾，對啦！有一個學生講到「中國台北」，我們的國格就立刻崩盤啦？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：不是這樣，因為他引發了臺灣社會不同意見的對立，也傷害臺灣人民的情感。 |
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羅委員智強：那我就跟你講，我更要砍你陸委會的預算跟海基會的預算！照你的邏輯標準，你竟然不能預見我們沈伯洋大師的預言：來這邊會造成留島不留人、血洗臺灣，來這邊害得中共統戰成功，來這邊兩岸的交流就是統戰！你陸委會照沈伯洋的標準就淪為統戰部啊！多可怕啊！所以我跟你講，今天這個是你們准的，然後來這裡玻璃心，單單一個學生講一句話，臺灣就要沉了！沈伯洋的留島不留人就好恐怖了！我其實搞不太清楚主委，你前面感覺是不認同沈伯洋，你後半段又開始認同他，你到底是主張哪一部分？你到底是希望兩岸交流還是兩岸不交流？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，我們也希望兩岸的交流能正常健康有序的進行，當然中國大陸對臺灣的統戰…… |
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羅委員智強：中國大陸對臺灣的統戰…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：我們還是要透過一定的程序把它導正。 |
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羅委員智強：我先跟你講，中國大陸對臺灣的統戰跟企圖，臺灣民眾知之甚深啦！這麼多年來…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：我覺得中國大陸當然會有政治企圖…… |
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羅委員智強：但是，如果…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：所以我們面對交流就是要透過我們在場各位同仁的努力，把它導正成正常健康…… |
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羅委員智強：當然啊！非常好啊！可是，我要先跟你講，好好勸勸那位黑熊老大，他講了一些很奇怪、莫名其妙的話。 |
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再來我要跟你講，今天兩岸之間，說真的，陸委會的存在跟海基會的存在就是為交流而衍生的兩個單位，可是我今天從結果論來講，你剛剛也承認了，兩岸交流當然因素不完全在我們這邊，這我認同，但從結果論來講，兩岸交流是越來越差勁，不是嗎？至少比起馬政府時代，沒錯吧？我先不講責任歸屬，兩岸之間交流的成績是越來越倒退，沒錯吧？但是我跟你講，我就不懂，這又是我不懂的邏輯，如果你是一個企業管理者，你的部門成果越來越差，請問你給這個部門的預算是越來越高還是越來越低？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告，雖然實際上的交流可能不像以前，但是我們還有一個重要的責任，就是要維護我們國家安全、維護我們在…… |
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羅委員智強：如果要維護國家安全，陸委會改成國安會就快一點，改成國安局也快一點。 |
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主席：照問題回答、照問題回答。他問你在這種情況下，你預算應該高還是低…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：我們在兩岸目前的現況下，其經營成本可能會更高，因為我們沒辦法跟中國大陸直接對話…… |
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羅委員智強：我跟你講，陸委會主委我來當好了，我把兩岸調成零，經費就漲3,000倍，哇！多開心啊！因為兩岸我做得越爛，代表需要的經費就越高，預算爭取是這樣爭取的啊？最誇張的就是你們海基會啦！短短一年竟然可以增加7,000萬的捐助，增加40%，你當全國老百姓是「盤仔」是不是？你怎麼會想像到會准你這個預算過呢？ |
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邱主任委員垂正：跟委員報告…… |
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羅委員智強：我跟你講，因為時間有限，我直接講個結論，當今天你們民進黨一天到晚說兩岸交流是統戰，我跟你講，我有個最快的建議，很簡單，海峽交流基金會改成海峽不交流基金會最快，預算砍成零、兩岸不交流最符合沈伯洋要的東西啊！當然我不會到這種程度啦！ |
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沈委員伯洋：造謠啦！ |
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羅委員智強：我要講的是什麼？ |
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沈委員伯洋：造謠！ |
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羅委員智強：造謠？謝謝你啊！來、來、來，你沒有講交流是統戰嗎？ |
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沈委員伯洋：我是說對…… |
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羅委員智強：你說任何交流都是統戰，不是嗎？ |
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沈委員伯洋：你是被新聞媒體…… |
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羅委員智強：你講任何交流都是統戰，你有沒有講這句話？要收回去啊？ |
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沈委員伯洋：我說對中國來說，自己回去看新聞標題啦！ |
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羅委員智強：你有沒有講這句話？ |
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沈委員伯洋：不要利用言論免責權！ |
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羅委員智強：少來！少來！你有沒有講留島不留人？你有沒有講覺得馬龍可愛就是中共統戰成功？ |
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沈委員伯洋：廢話，中國要進攻臺灣的目的就是這樣子。 |
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主席：不好意思，不是發言的委員…… |
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羅委員智強：我跟你講，黑熊老大！黑熊老大！ |
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主席：我們尊重發言的委員。 |
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沈委員伯洋：不要造謠…… |
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羅委員智強：黑熊老大，黑熊老大，我跟你講，你不要抗議我啦！你不要抗議我啦！ |
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沈委員伯洋：我沒有在抗議你啦！ |
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主席：您可以等您質詢的時候…… |
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羅委員智強：你不要抗議我，真的！你要抗議我們邱主委啦，剛剛邱主委都打你臉了，我也很同情你，我剛一直幫你爭取啊…… |
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邱主任委員垂正：委員，我們追求對等、健康且有序的交流…… |
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沈委員伯洋：不用再講這些東西，每次都說幫賴清德爭取、幫民進黨爭取…… |
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羅委員智強：你沈伯洋的理念由我羅智強在幫你質詢，你要謝謝我啊！對不對？兩岸交流都有統戰，第一個要廢的陸委會跟海基會啊，符合黑熊學院的理念啊！對不對？不能夠搞「留島不留人」啊！不是嗎？ |
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沈委員伯洋：剛剛還造謠……還敢講…… |
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主席：請非質詢的委員尊重一下，請沒有質詢的委員尊重一下。 |
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羅委員智強：我告訴你，今天陸委會、海基會存在的目的就是為了交流，照你的邏輯我幫你講啊，我多支持愛護你啊！黑熊學院不敢當校長的沈委員，你厲害嘛！我幫你講話嘛！我就認同你，要怎麼樣？我認同你啊！我認同你啊，所以叫陸委會把預算刪光光，兩岸不要交流啊，我認同你啊！ |
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沈委員伯洋：不要用這種言論免責權造謠，你直接問就好，問我幹嘛？ |
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羅委員智強：我問你幹嘛？今天你在那邊…… |
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沈委員伯洋：造謠是你家的事啦！不要再造謠了啦！ |
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羅委員智強：哎呦，我告訴你，黑熊也不要顛倒是非到這種程度。 |
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主席：好啦！請尊重發言的委員。 |
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羅委員智強：我在這邊質詢是誰進來鬧場的啊？ |
| gazette.blocks[82][0] |
沈委員伯洋：你在造謠啊！ |
| gazette.blocks[83][0] |
羅委員智強：是誰進來鬧場的啊？ |
| gazette.blocks[84][0] |
沈委員伯洋：你時間已經到了，我就告訴你不要再造謠！ |
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羅委員智強：造謠不造謠不是今天你沈伯熊、沈黑熊一句話就可以，對不對？ |
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沈委員伯洋：沈伯熊是什麼啦，你連中文都不會喔？ |
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羅委員智強：對不對啦，口誤啦！沈黑熊啦，好不好？對不起啦！ |
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沈委員伯洋：新聞報導也不會看，別人發言內容也不看，隨便亂扣帽子…… |
| gazette.blocks[89][0] |
主席：請沈委員尊重一下質詢的委員。 |
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羅委員智強：你來這邊鬧場，叫我今天針對我的質詢要回答，沒有關係，我告訴你，來、來、來，沒關係，沒關係，你偉大，你真正偉大！ |
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主席：沈委員，請尊重一下質詢委員。 |
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羅委員智強：本人在立法院到現在為止，沒有委員在台上質詢有委員在底下鬧場過，你厲害！你第一個！你厲害！你厲害！我佩服你啊，我欣賞你啊！我告訴你，很簡單，今天為了我們偉大的沈黑熊的信念，我直接跟主委跟海基會講，你莫名其妙嘛！對不起沈伯洋啦，海峽根本照他的邏輯不該交流，結果呢？你預算還增加40%，捐助增加40%，你是當今天黑熊學院都是白癡嗎？黑熊學院的人都廢了嗎？黑熊學院今天都是數學的笨蛋嗎？預算那麼爛，你對得起黑熊學院？你沒有績效，然後你還要增加40%的預算？我跟你講，我為黑熊學院不值啊！沈伯洋可憐啊，沈伯洋苦口婆心，你們陸委會沒聽到啊？ |
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我最後只講一句話，我跟你講，你們主動撤回這40%捐助啦，真的，不然對不起沈伯洋啦，兩岸之間怎麼可以交流？留島不留人啊！沈伯洋講的啊，謝謝你！ |
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主席：謝謝羅智強委員。 |
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現場的委員請注意秩序。 |
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我們請楊瓊瓔委員。請尊重質詢的委員。 |
| gazette.agenda.page_end |
248 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_id |
委員會-11-2-15-13 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[0] |
徐欣瑩 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[1] |
張宏陸 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[2] |
麥玉珍 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[3] |
牛煦庭 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[4] |
王美惠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[5] |
李柏毅 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[6] |
張智倫 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[7] |
黃捷 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[8] |
蘇巧慧 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[9] |
許宇甄 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[10] |
黃建賓 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[11] |
賴士葆 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[12] |
吳琪銘 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[13] |
丁學忠 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[14] |
王義川 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[15] |
葉元之 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[16] |
黃國昌 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[17] |
羅智強 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[18] |
沈伯洋 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[19] |
楊瓊瓔 |
| gazette.agenda.speakers[20] |
洪孟楷 |
| gazette.agenda.page_start |
1 |
| gazette.agenda.meetingDate[0] |
2024-12-04 |
| gazette.agenda.gazette_id |
11311101 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_lcidc_ids[0] |
11311101_00002 |
| gazette.agenda.meet_name |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議紀錄 |
| gazette.agenda.content |
一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；
二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算；三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法
人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案；四、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進
會114年度預算書案【所列預算案僅詢答，另定期處理】 |
| gazette.agenda.agenda_id |
11311101_00001 |