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委員名稱 |
黃國昌 |
委員發言時間 |
12:35:47 - 12:51:00 |
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913 |
會議時間 |
2024-12-04T09:00:00+08:00 |
會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議(事由:一、邀請大陸委員會主任委員及財團法人海峽交流基金會董事長列席報告業務概況,並備質詢。二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於大陸委員會單位預算。三、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人海峽交流基金會114年度預算書案。四、審查大陸委員會函送財團法人臺港經濟文化合作策進會114年度預算書案。【所列預算案僅詢答,另定期處理】。) |
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集會董事長邱主委、吳董事長 |
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主委好、董事長好我想很多委員大家都非常的關心就海基會的預算其實我把各個年度從2008年到2025年整個都把它劃出來了 |
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那裡面不管是就人事費跟人事費以外其他的到了明年已經到了3.54億3.54億的這個金額大概我如果往前看了十幾年唯一大概能夠相比你的只有2012年3.56億是一直朝向增加 |
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的狀態問題是納稅人非常的關心我們的海基會預算不斷的膨脹那實際上面到底在做些什麼樣子的事情當然對台商的服務我相信這個業務是持續的那只不過說台商可能 |
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移開中國這個生產基地也蠻多的所以可不可以簡要的跟大家講一下說這個預算不斷的增加最主要的理由到底是什麼 |
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有海基會我來做說明可以嗎?可以可以可以那實際上海基會今年增加預算如果會補助的部分增加七千多萬但其中因為是過去其中真正海基會預算增加四千多萬因為他是用來過去我們是自籌現在改由政府補助增加多這第二原因那四千多萬裡頭有兩千萬是人員調薪以及勞退健保相關經費所以實際今年比去年增加是兩千萬 |
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兩千萬中主要兩大部分一大部分我們今年比較增加是有關大陸臺商子女回來臺灣寒暑假的營隊活動這增加大概佔了二分之一因為二分之一左右大概是有關於相關學界、民間社團以及綜合研系有關兩岸情勢的討論和掌握主要這樣子您剛說的啦某個程度上來講 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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中國對台灣也不是很有善在這樣的情況之下要去做兩岸交流的事務非常的辛苦這個我們大家都知道但也不可諱言的在面臨困難的局勢辛苦的局勢的時候人民也在關心在這樣的情況之下為什麼海基會的預算還是會一直增加我剛剛是很善意開放式的給你們回答這樣子的一個問題因為 |
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這個會牽涉到台灣跟中國彼此之間的關係剛剛秘書長也說了說有在進行很多的協商有在進行很多的交流協商的部分我就比較不清楚了目前在陸委會的立場台灣跟中國的談判應不應該以國跟國的方式來加以進行 |
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跟委員報告我們認為兩岸關係最主要的癥結就是北京當局不願正視中華民國客觀事實存在這個我理解所以 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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跟委員報告如果這是連岸都願意的話本來就是應該一國一國的方式至少我們是一個談判的實體要很清楚現在最主要問題他不肯正視我們客觀事實存在這剛說過了嘛我們在質詢備詢的時候基本上不要浪費時間浪費時間沒意義在那邊繞來繞去的直接回答問題有這麼困難嗎來我們繼續往下看 |
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海基會的白手套功能竟然已經減弱從現在就應該開始縮編未來兩岸要以國跟國的方式談判海基會的價值就不存在贊成雙方在對等談判的情況下廢掉海基會這個主張主委贊不贊成以現階段而言我們認為海基會仍有 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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簡說海基會的預算規模跟緣額,踢除養老的肥貓,否則也沒有那麼多事可以做。對這樣的主張不是事實。主委你贊不贊成?我當然不贊成,這不是事實。這不是事實嗎?剛講的這兩段主張,一個上面的主張說的人是陳其邁,下面的那個主張說的人是李俊逸。我一個字都沒改啊! |
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這是當初民進黨在野的時候對海基會所提出來的強烈指控跟批評現在民進黨執政了主委說這不是事實那顯然我們國家存在兩個不同的海基會沒有國民黨在執...我也待過海基會我沒有同仁都批評的認真負責你請你把我把話講完好嗎 |
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我說我們國家存在兩個海基會一個是國民黨時期的海基會因為國民黨時期的海基會我跟主委報告上面這些話都不是我講的全部都不是我講的這兩段主張一個是陳其邁講的一個是李俊逸講的所以污衊的人不是我您剛剛說了現在的海基會不一樣 |
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李俊逸跟陳其邁批評的是國民黨時期的海基會現在民進黨時期的海基會按照主委剛剛的說法不公平絕對不是這樣那顯然我們的海基會氣象已經煥然一新了過去對海基會所存在的批評現在都不存在了我剛剛說我們存在兩個不同的海基會我是順著你的邏輯啊去做這樣的解讀那但是但是 |
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事實上是不是真的這個樣子我們現在的海基會跟過去的海基會展現了什麼樣子的不同我相信這件事情的評價主委你可以有你的看法海基會董事長跟秘書長都可以有各自的看法但是我相信在台灣這個民主社會當中每一個人都可以有他的看法 |
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而我們立法委員最重要的事情是什麼就是站在人民的立場幫人民把關預算嘛這個才是我們現在之所以會站在這邊站在這邊不是在吵架啦站在這邊我們為什麼要去理解這件事情我剛剛也很善意的給海基會做說明了嘛若會贊不贊成制定兩岸協議監督條例 |
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我們有曾經努力過但是最主要是中國大陸並不接受不好意思兩岸協議監督條例是我國的國內法跟中國大陸有什麼關係我想就是我們完成這個也沒辦法恢復兩岸的協商這是兩回事一個是監督機制一個是立法的監督機制立法的監督機制我們中華民國是一個主權獨立的國家 |
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我們制定這個法律還要中國點頭喔重點是什麼重點是陸委會的立場在哪裡嘛陸委會的立場啊我提醒主委一下您前一任的主委是誰邱太三主委您前一任的主委是邱太三再前一任呢陳明通主委陳明通主委嘛來我跟您交換一下意見 |
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我2019年我那時候第一次在國會的時候我問陳明通啊說兩岸協議監督條例到底什麼時候要立陳明通那個時候在國會怎麼講的他說現在比較迫切的是政治議題的協議拜託立法院先修兩岸人民關係條例把兩岸人民關係條例裡面的政治性協議的問題先處理完那至於剩下的剩下他拜託說2019年 |
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北京對台灣主權的恐嚇非常的嚴重兩岸協議監督條例他希望立法院先過兩岸人民關係條例政治性協議的部分其他的部分我們未來繼續推動這是2019年說的話現在已經是2024年了所以我只有個最簡單的問題從陸委會的立場兩岸協議監督條例還要不要定 |
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報告委員我想過去陳主委要求的是五之三的那個政治性協議那至於一般經濟性事務性的這個監督條例那我們尊重大院的這個審議所以只有尊重大院的審議行政部門沒有立場我們行政部門有既有的相關機制既有的什麼相關機制說來聽聽 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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兩岸人民關係條例五之三這個是政治性的協議當初民進黨所提出來的兩岸協議監督條例只有限於政治性的協議嗎?主委你有沒有看過民進黨所提出來的兩岸協議監督條例有看過嗎?只有政治性的協議嗎?是這樣定義嗎?是嗎? |
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那個時候行政院並沒有行政院版的而是立法院的我們委員提出來的啊對啊所以我現在的問題就來了嘛蔡英文也做了承諾賴清德也做了承諾搞了半天什麼搞了半天這個承諾全部都是空話連版本都沒有啊連推動都沒有要推動啊我要講清楚的是什麼兩岸協議內容非常的多啊 |
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需要在國會裡面好好受到監督受到公民社會好好監督的絕對不是只有政治性的協議嘛絕對不是只有政治性的如果只有政治性的協議的話當初一群人在推兩岸協議監督條例那大家不是都犯傻了嗎 |
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現在的問題在哪裡?你剛說北京敵視台灣北京不肯承認中華民國存在的事實北京不肯跟我們好好的協商談判這個我都同意啊 |
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這個我都同意啊但是中華民國作為一個主權獨立的國家我們十年前就知道了兩岸的協議沒有健全的國會監督機制所以公民社會才會要求要訂這個嘛所以蔡英文才會承諾嘛賴清德也才會承諾嘛結果過了十年以後我們陸委會的態度是怎麼樣尊重本院的審議尊重本院的審議 |
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這個是執政黨應該有的態度嗎?我簡單問你,所以站在陸委會的立場,到底有沒有要推兩岸協議監督條例?我們認為我們現在兩岸的民間關係條例相關的機制已有。如果民間社會,不好意思,我再說一次,當初為什麼會反對? |
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你現在的說法跟當初陸委會的主委一模一樣我為什麼說一模一樣當初他們就是說說兩岸人民關係條例裡面已經有健全的機制如果這句話成立的話過去這十年公民社會在要求兩岸協議監督條例是在要求假的喔是在要求假的喔 |
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三、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財二、審查大陸委員會函送財 |
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就是台灣民眾黨黨團啊但我要問的是什麼一位蔡英文一位賴清德跟台灣社會做了承諾具體的行動在哪裡我沒有看到具體的行動在哪裡好那請主委是不是可以提出這個後續的報告是好好好謝謝在一個禮拜內好不好OK提到 |
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157802 |
IVOD_URL |
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日期 |
2024-12-04 |
會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-2-15-13 |
會議資料.屆 |
11 |
會議資料.會期 |
2 |
會議資料.會次 |
13 |
會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
會議資料.委員會代碼[0] |
15 |
會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第2會期內政委員會第13次全體委員會議 |
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開始時間 |
2024-12-04T12:35:47+08:00 |
結束時間 |
2024-12-04T12:51:00+08:00 |
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