| IVOD_ID |
15778 |
| IVOD_URL |
https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Full/1M/15778 |
| 日期 |
2024-04-01 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼 |
委員會-11-1-15-9 |
| 會議資料.會議代碼:str |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 會議資料.屆 |
11 |
| 會議資料.會期 |
1 |
| 會議資料.會次 |
9 |
| 會議資料.種類 |
委員會 |
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15 |
| 會議資料.委員會代碼:str[0] |
內政委員會 |
| 會議資料.標題 |
第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議 |
| 影片種類 |
Full |
| 開始時間 |
2024-04-01T08:31:00+08:00 |
| 結束時間 |
2024-04-01T13:15:00+08:00 |
| 影片長度 |
04:44:00 |
| 支援功能[0] |
ai-transcript |
| video_url |
https://h264media01.ly.gov.tw:443/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1M/eeffa975d6a1e3eac4feebff739bc37ace1f9dc46489d2413be8d109af184be4ec8ffd4d97fe3f525ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8 |
| 會議時間 |
2024-04-01T09:00:00+08:00 |
| 會議名稱 |
立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會第9次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請原住民族委員會主任委員、財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長、財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長就以下事項進行專題報告，並備質詢：(一)2016年至2024年原住民族自治法及都市原住民發展條例立法推動歷程。(二)如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策。(三)部落產業發展及食農教育政策辦理情形。(四)部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展。(五)原住民族學校法立法推動情形。(六)原住民族知識體系辦理情形。(七)如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求。(八)原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討。(九)如何制定保障土地與居住權益之「原住民族土地使用規則（草案）」。(十)國土計畫法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。(十一)部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。(十二)如何協助原鄉公所基礎設施預算不足之困境。(十三)原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。(十四)如何精進原住民族文化健康站並落實老幼共學政策。(十五)原住民族電視臺及廣播電臺之各職類薪資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。二、審查委員鄭天財Sra Kacaw等20人擬具「原住民族基本法增訂第二十條之一條文草案」案。(僅詢答)【4月1日及3日兩天一次會】） |
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完整會議 |
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委員莊瑞雄、蘇巧慧、吳麗華、徐宇珍、羅廷偉、羅美玲、鄭天才、黃婕說明提案要旨。決議海洋保育法草案等11案均另定期繼續審查,通過臨時提案一案宣讀完畢。 |
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好請問一下上次會議意思錄有沒有錯誤沒有好我們意思錄確定然後在在場的我們繼續進行本日的議程請宣讀 |
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助地方政府推動都市原住民政策、如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策、如何協助地方政府推動都市原住民政策、如何協助地方政府推動都市 |
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三、部落產業發展及實農教育政策辦理情形四、部落地方創生計畫執行現況與未來發展五、原住民族學校法立法推動情形六、原住民族知識體系辦理情形七、如何改善原住民族語言推動組織之需求八、原住民族語言推動現況與預算執行檢討九、如何制定保障土地與居住權益之原住民族土地使用規則草案 |
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十、國土計劃法施行後部落自有住宅合法化推動規劃。十一、部落聯絡道路養護及預算不足之辦理情形。十二、如何協助原鄉公所及處設施預算不足之困境。十三、原住民族家庭服務中心轉型規劃辦理情形。十四、如何精進原住民族文化健康戰兵落實老幼公學政策。十五、原住民族電視台及廣播電台之各職類 |
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新資待遇暨升遷制度及人才培育規劃。討論事項,審查委員鄭天才等20人擬據原住民族基本法增訂第20條之一條文草案案。宣讀完畢。好,首先我先介紹一下在場的委員還有列席的官員。我們在場的委員有王美惠委員,然後黃婕委員,以及鄭天才委員, |
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我再介紹一下今天在場的官員有我們原住民族委員會主任委員一將巴魯爾綜合規劃處的處長亞博史用博伊澤努教育文化處處長楊振兵社會福利處處長盧合璐經濟發展處處長宋麗如 |
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2186.636 |
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2212.863 |
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公共建設處處長劉偉哲土地管理處處長杜章梅莊秘書室的主任陳梅玲人事室的主任陳榮宏主計室主任簡信惠振峰室主任許碩珠 |
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原住民族文化發展中心主任曾志勇財團法人原住民族文化事業基金會董事長馬洛歐斯財團法人原住民族語言研究發展基金會董事長馬耀古穆內政部地政司專門委員何振達民政司科長陳玉芳 |
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國土管理署國土計劃組特育規劃科科長許嘉玲都市基礎工程組計劃預算科科長余偉進衛生福利部社會及家庭署組長楊秀川農業部輔導司科長郭凱替農村發展警隨途保持署副署長王靖倫 |
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2270.894 |
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2294.464 |
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農村發展及水土保持署的組長周啟榮林業保育署組長陳蓮煌農糧署副組長曾淑芬教育部綜合規劃師專門委員呂鴻林國民及學前教育署原民特教組的原民科科長陳采穎 |
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2319.987 |
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法治部法治司檢察官謝佑雲財政部國有財產署科長侯瓊玲負稅署科長花怡芳國家發展委員會國土區域離島發展處組長陳信陽社會發展處專門委員吳怡銘 |
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介紹官員就清楚知道原民事務真的是跨了非常多的橫向聯繫我們的部會繼續介紹一下陳瑩委員也在現場謝謝還有李博義委員也在現場還有林倩琦委員也在現場謝謝 |
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本日歷程所列的報告事項跟討論的事項我們合併詢答。現在我們先請鄭田財委員有一個提案請他做提案說明。 |
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主席、貴委員、言明會所有的各機關的同仁今天本席還有高津素梅委員、盧憲一委員、林倩琦委員等20人共同提案修正原住民族基本法增訂第20條之一的條文之所以會提出這樣的一個條文的修正 |
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最主要現在原住民保留地管理辦法的法源也就是說我們所有原住民族保留地的相關的法例的依據就是根據《三坡地保衛利用條例》第37條這樣的一個法例早期是因為這個臺灣省政府所訂定的山地保留地管理辦法 |
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沒有法律的依據為了法治化尋求法源當時的年代還沒有原住民族基本法所以就放在山坡地百惠令條例早期叫36條後來改為修正為第37條大家都知道山坡地 |
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是針對山坡地範圍內的土地的利用管制而原住民保留地不是只有在山坡地裡面有很多的平地鄉鎮也都有這個原住民保留地所以這樣的一個規定那因為過去原住民族基本法制定的時候 |
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以為很快的就會制定原住民族土地及海域法 |
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所以就沒有積極的推動那現在顯然原住民族土地及海域法要通過非常非常的困難因為連行政院連送來都不送來所以在這樣的一個情況之下本席及我們幾位原住民的立委所以才會共同的提案要將山坡地百貨利用條例37條的條文一列到 |
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原住民族基本法來徵定有什麼差別呢?按照委員會的這個的說明好像沒有什麼差別事實上我要跟大家報告根據行政院3620次的宴會的結議在107年10月4號 |
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也特別提到為什麼要當初要修正這個山坡地百貨運動條例37條是因為我們原住民的立委在立法院提出山坡地百貨運動條例37條要刪除這個5年我們一直吹吹吹行政院終於在107年10月4號在行政院院會農委會所提出來的同意要修正這裡面特別結議 |
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本條例第37條為規範原住民保留地啟德管理事項之法紀上有不足無法含瓜非山坡地之原住民保留地這個是立行政院的院會院長所作的結語無法含瓜非山坡地之原住民保留地寫得非常非常的明確 |
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那到底現在實行好像沒什麼問題問題很多我就舉一個案例這種案例還不少有一個案例我們的鄉親八十幾歲他從小耕種的在原住民保育地裡面結果被隔壁的瑞穗牧場提告最後被判決被判決什麼呢判決有期徒刑 |
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原來是因為財團法官沒有上進責任法官也誤判以為是在山坡地保育令條例的範圍裡面以為是在山坡地範圍內因為法律的依據是山坡地保育令條例上7條啊所以被判刑了這個老人家被判刑了之後還非常的氣憤 |
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幾天之後就過世身體很好的所以不要忽視這種案例很多所以人民會請支持立法院所提出來的修正條項以上謝謝 |
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好 謝謝鄭天才委員提案說明我們現在就請原民會主任委員一將把握報告一將今天因為我們有非常多的專案報告所以我們給他多一點時間給他6分鐘來做專案報告 謝謝 |
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有直討論外顧到稍薄因阿瑪布隆我愛好,未來該顧到培植國內立法院,到台南的原民會,到哈迪尼埃阿拉賓,有所培養的顧與加里古拉好意,有比巴薩比南到台南的原民會,以社科資材, |
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一、原住民委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主 |
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2773.4 |
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比觀覽於國立東華大學。有三頁,外乎阿, 聽過吾波隆諾赫格爾多,南無伊政諾,吉他吉阿密茲哥羅多,比沙發卓多法納諾原住民族。釋迦杜薩,阿, 西華埃多古尼帕地人安諾原民會多, |
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被消費的改締在其他地區,例如在臺灣﹐無論在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔負擔在哪裏的社會上的負擔 |
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以在這裏啊﹐改締到﹐所謂的﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到﹐未發展到� |
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相當於該立法院所作出的條例：一﹑一﹑二﹑三﹑四﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑五﹑ |
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法律依頼公共財政委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任 |
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三、六、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二、十二 |
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都市報告已發表了明確的報告：一、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、 |
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未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來,未來一年以來, |
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立法院第11屆第1會期內政委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會主任委員會 |
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吉拉密、美哈登嘎密、吾伯格拉埃的《原住民族權利案》的《發展做原子性的規範案》的《原子法》。吾伯格拉埃的《原住民保留地案》的《原住民保留地案》的《原住民保留地案》的《原子法》。 |
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根據《原住民族保留地管理方法》 第1項歷屆第3項, 該局部代表任何督察來進行原住民保留地, 三、法律領域, 經理局部委員會委員長馬國、 內內、財團局局長委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會委員會 |
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我以為你們可能會像原基會和原文會會一起來做說明聽起來是沒有給你6分鐘沒關係謝謝 |
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其他部會的我們就參考一下我們書面的一些他們提供的報告我們現在也介紹一下黃建斌委員也在現場然後張宏祿委員也在現場 謝謝 |
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我們現在就進行詢答委員質詢前原例做幾點宣告本會還有原住民委員發言時間我們比較長一點因為我們是兩天一次會說我們就8加2的時間8分鐘配奧時間延長2分鐘然後非本會委員的是6分鐘 |
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然後上午10點30分截止發言登記臨時提案截止提出的時間是10點在本會委員會答詢結束之後我們再一起處理請問各位委員有沒有意見沒有好 謝謝我們第一位請張宏祿委員質詢 謝謝 |
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我請主委有請主委莊委好主委我想請教一下我們這個原住民族這個我們所有各族的語言現在有沒有這種語言這個其實是已經走向崩毀的一個程度 |
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跟委員報告其實16組的語言都是面臨冰危的語言只是有幾個組是特別嚴重的所以這個部分我們加緊來附贈我們的語言在聯合國的定義裡面16組的語言都是冰危語言但有沒有到達滅絕的 |
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目前來看的話我們滅絕就是沒有任何使用者但是還是有這個語言嗎16族的部分目前還可以因為長者都還會說族語所以還沒有到滅絕的狀態所以我們加緊來做一個傳承 |
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幾乎啦幾乎是應該啊如果說我覺得啦齁應該是到危險跟重大危險啦齁如果以聯合國那樣的危險的話大概就是小孩子都沒有在講了就是危險了那重大危險呢就是祖父母輩還有在用然後父母輩也不一定會了 |
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對不對我覺得我們現在的遇到的問題應該是危險跟重大危險最多了是對那完全沒有沒有滅絕嗎按照我們國內的語言學家的認知呢16組的確目前雖然都是危險跟極度危險但是滅絕的狀況應該還沒有發生 |
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還沒有但是平埔族群的部分的確有一些語言都已經應該是已經是沒有辦法再傳承了也有幾個平埔族的對對所以主委我想要問你平埔族裡面啊沒有滅絕嗎平埔族可能只剩文獻紀錄或什麼語音檔啊有人在使用嗎 |
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現在有極少數的屏幕族：比如說像那個西拉雅族：或者是南土的巴捷跟還有哈布：大概是這三組的語言還有就是剛剛委員所指教大概是祖父母輩那個地方的長輩大概還會講 |
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阿希拉雅主事他們現在是想盡各種方法來附贈他們的語言對嘛要附贈嘛所以幾乎啦如果以我啦以聯合國的這種標準來講希拉雅語還有人在用嗎 |
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現在只能在教學端做附贈對嘛 平常都沒有人在沒有任何語言的使用者母語的使用者以聯合國來講的話就是滅絕嘛這個語言雖然有保存下來可以去學習但等於幾乎就是沒有人在使用嘛這以聯合國來講的話沒有任何母語的使用者就是滅絕嘛 |
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就是在平常生活不使用已經完全不使用了雖然文獻雖然語言我們還可以有留存下來可能有語音檔有什麼的但沒有人使用這就是滅絕所以主委 |
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我們現在很多的數據顯示所有的原住民族的語言都已經陷入到危險跟極度危險甚至有些是滅絕所以我們一直在講說要復興我們原住民的族語這個我已經也 |
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執行過很多次可是我們就是沒有這個使用的環境我們就是沒有這種使用的環境沒有辦法我想請教主委能不能跟教育部或我們大家我們在這個我們的幼稚園托兒所 |
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要不要在我們各個原住民族的地區我們要不要開這個從這個幼兒園裡面托兒所裡面就來教他們母語你覺得勒? |
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委員只要事實上我們這幾年已經注意到了所以我們已經鼓勵很多幼兒所用沉浸式的幼兒教學目前在臺灣大概94個幼兒園已經開始實施足語教學的這個部分全臺灣你覺得這個94個成效如何 |
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有些成效已經很明顯就是說因為有這個誠信式幼兒園小孩子可以開口來說主語的比例越來越多了那以前是幾乎就是大概現在10歲以下的小孩子呢他連平常的對話都很困難但是因為有了幼兒園這個用母語教學之後呢這個附贈的情況有一點點改善 |
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其實啦齁 主委我覺得啦我們復興這個母語啊這個文化有母語文化在的話這個文化才可以傳承啦齁其實我看了這個近代來講啦齁在全世界啊我不知道主委你認不認同啊紐西蘭的毛利語啊它其實是一個非常有我們目前看起來算是全世界裡面成功的一個方法吧主委你認不認為 |
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的確這幾年我們台灣的很多的族語母語教學我們都參考了紐西蘭國旗成功的範例所以引進來做一個教學的參考的確目前全球是紐西蘭做的是最最最最落實的對啦因為紐西蘭他們的毛利人他們自己有覺醒然後他們自己去推這個我覺得啦 諸位 |
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我們當然要想要做更多啦但很多的東西啊如果啊紐西蘭這個毛利魚啊他們做得很好我覺得啊 |
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跟委員報告在前 |
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蘇院長說我們開始推在委員也都知道原住民大部分都信天主教跟基督教每個禮拜天都會有做禮拜我們現在有獎勵400間的牧師在傳道的時候全部用母語來傳道那這樣的話聽到的小朋友當然都可以聽到自己的足語這個部分目前成效是很不錯的 |
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我是覺得語言是要多方面是要多方面最主要是有那個環境那最後我要再請教主委一下這個我們文件站是不是從今年開始 |
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就會排除比如說之前有查核委員曾經針對某部落文件站殺豬產生之食安提出食安的改進方法那是不是從今年開始我們排除類似的課程了 |
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有關我們的查核委員我們在最近已經有召開過一次共識會議那所有將相關你們查核的一個標準還針對實案的部分都在那個會議裡面有做一個一併的一個做統一那所以我們 |
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今年是不是已經排除類似課程? |
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你要回答我這個問題是還是不是是是主委主委我想請問一下齁如果在文建站殺豬主委覺得可以嗎我先說啦齁這個殺豬其實是原住民民族裡面一個很重要的傳統文化吧是一個非常重要的吧對對嘛齁對欸阿人家查費委員沒有其實沒有說禁止你欸只是說要注意食安而已欸 |
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對不對?那你們有沒有假放過陣阿?這個很重要的傳統文化阿你們禁止我覺得這個有點奇怪阿是...處長跟我說明應該是沒有他的可能對...他剛剛講是喔他剛剛回答我的是喔應該傳統的這些飲食文化如果符合健康的話不應該被禁止 |
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但食安也符合,那不應該變定義嗎?不是,主委,剛剛你們處長回答我今年排除類似課程,他回答是喔!主委,我覺得你們要去檢討,好不好?可以馬上改啊!你是重視食安、重視衛生條件而已,不是禁止啊!人家查核委也沒有說禁止啊!結果你們就這樣子排除...委員的自教也是,因為現在很多 |
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不農族的傳統的婚禮都還是用殺豬的方式來做,慈安只要注意到就可以了對,我現在重點就是人家沒有禁止你們自己反而去主動禁止你們應該去看注重如何慈安如何去處理而不是禁止啦我覺得這個這麼重要的傳統文化不應該去禁止它啦 |
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對,我們盡可能在文件站保留我們的文化保留我們的語言包括當然飲食文化也要保留只要符合健康的條件就可以了那今年開始禁止今年財康開始沒多久你們可以趕快回去處理可以開放就要開放只是重視食安不能禁止人家殺豬文化好不好好,謝謝主委好,謝謝張宏祿委員的質詢,謝謝 |
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謝謝主委繼續我們請黃建斌委員質詢謝謝主席有請我們委員會主委有請一將主委黃委員好主委早安來後來喔 |
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主委想跟主委討論一下關於一些原鄉的一些原住民的一些問題雖然本席是漢人的身份但因為本席之前在大武鄉擔任過鄉長所以大武鄉是一個漢源共治一個區域所以本席就我們在過去的經驗裡面看到一些問題來跟主委這邊來做個討論 |
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好,請委員指教所以目前我們原住民的人口大概是59萬那涉及在山地鄉大概16萬人那涉及在平地鄉的是13萬人那涉及在都會區的有29萬人那現在意味著我們大概一半的原住民的同胞都在都會區生活是這個數字是正確的嗎?是的,是目前已經有將近一半的原住民已經遷移到都市了那這個原因是為什麼? |
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我想主要應該是就業機會比較多也是因為工作嘛對不對工作因素決定人口的移動嘛那主委我們在會裡面這邊有推動地方創生那地方創生的核心是在做島內移民的這件事情對不對 |
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那就目前為止我們進一段我們推動的地方創生那主委要不要來跟大家分享一下目前的成效有關地方創生我們在很多地方都開始推動包括委員的服務的台東縣我們在都攬的這個部落呢也有在推地方創生的這個業務在其他地方也有類似這種推案 |
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講到督覽除了剛好我們那個順便來瞭解一下在2016年的時候蔡總統提出要在督覽做一個事辦守個自治區不知道到目前為止我們在進入到哪邊 |
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跟委員報告其實都攬部落的自治的部分其實在廖國東還在任內的時候我們都積極的跟部落的頭目怎麼樣建構屬於部落的自治那目前這個部分我們持續跟都攬部落頭目做一個共識的建立除了那個蔡總統都要卸任的都還沒有一個方向嗎 |
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我們繼續努力我們也希望是能夠朝這個方向那今天我們繼續回到地方創生這一塊地方創生裡面主要針對這個人口增加進行的研究我想本席這邊要留心一下我們現在補助給各鄉鎮的軟硬體資源到底有沒有實質幫助到原鄉人口的回流讓它社會增加的形象產生 |
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跟委員報告其實我們這幾年光是經濟產業的獎勵我們有所謂的百萬創業就是鼓勵年輕人在原鄉做一個創業那我們會提供100萬左右的創業來獎勵他們那目前已經有這個180個 |
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新年回到原鄉來做創業的?臺東那個地方也很多是這樣子的。是是本席所在的大澳鄉也有拿過這個計畫的年輕人。他本席是建議說這樣方向很好要持續我想除了硬體的設施以外最重要的是有沒有什麼樣的方式可以讓年輕人回鄉來工作我想人才是重點在本席擔任國際擔任鄉長任內我們推動的地方創生裡面其實我們除了硬體的增加以外也增加一些讓能夠就業的工作機會 |
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因為只有人回來他才有辦法發展不然我們編列這麼多的原住民保留地其實沒有人跟著沒有人開發對人口增加其實是沒有幫助的這本席這邊的來建議不然光是你看我們跟都會去來比光是一個生意補助就真的完全沒有辦法都被打趴了所以更不要講說人才回流這件事情光人回來都是一個問題 |
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那另外本席再就叫我們主委主委我們曾經有召開過這個原住民自治徵詢會議是不是是這個會議是都到各鄉鎮去辦理還是在哪裡辦理應該這樣分來 |
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在自治徵詢會議其實常年都在各部落來推動那目前比較具體的做法是比如像委員服務的臺東縣的蘭嶼我們已經讓他們更具體跟鄉長跟代表跟議員還有部落的祈禱做下來到底要怎麼推屬於亞美族的自治這個部分我們仔細在推動當中先生主席就那個 |
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大部分都是到各鄉鎮去辦那像北南處是到北南鄉公所嘛但我記得那個阿美族好像是在台北這邊辦嘛 |
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是這樣嗎?雖然這個原轉會不是原民會這邊的業務但是也是跟主任提醒一下應該是到下鄉能夠聽聽其道的聲音我想這樣比較貼切最後我們再想一下關於土地這一塊我們聊到土地原保地大概是在原民會裡面很重要的一個業務北市記得原民會有編列一些預算來聘請專業人員來協助鄉民公所辦理這件事情對不對? |
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對我們有所謂的土地登記人員我想我們委員當鄉長的時候應該也有在你的公所裡面也有土地登記人員這樣的一個編制是所以那個原民會應該有我記得有一個系統叫做網路網際網路土地管理系統對不對這可以有效的然後瞭解目前現在27萬公頃的原保地的土地的現在的登記的情況是不是這個東西 |
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對,我們現在可以很方便讓主委透過我們的網路了解我們對受理有關原住民土地尤其是保留地的整個進度都可以上網來做查詢 |
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這個系統非常好,因為本席覺得他不單單是可以管理土地,他甚至還可以有效的了解到我們這個獨特能力的工作情況,因為這個部分能夠持續的話也能夠更確實的來協助鄉鎮公所在我們聯保地的管理這塊能夠有幫助,所以本席是建議這個系統 |
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是不是到定期的來做個檢討?比如說今年的案子有多少?然後現在土地有多少?委員我們這個部分齁那個我們才剛開完全國性的 |
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這些土燈人眼的研習營那我們會聽其他們基層所以網路上到底怎麼作業方式有沒有需要經營的地方我們會每年都會做一個定時的改進所以隨時改進都可以所以本席問這個就是因為其實很多鄉鎮其實常常發生土燈人眼的一些工作業務的狀況跟民眾有一些誤解 |
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確實這一塊本席也是建議如果能夠在這個系統上做有效的管理的話也可以適時的發現說這個月這個鄉鎮公所或這個縣政府你的土墩情況然後原民會趕快適時進度來協助那也不要引起民怨我想這個是美意啦希望不要因為原民會的這個美意反而造成鄉鎮公所的困擾本席的意思是這邊那主委這邊是不是可以也能夠會後來要求我們會理念就這個系統來做一個檢討 |
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這跟我們定時來做個檢討 |
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本期想要問一個問題這可能跟原民會這邊不是直接的業務但是主委你是原住民業務的最高的這個管理人員的主管我想要問一下關於公務人員的薪資就是原鄉公務人員薪資給付這個部分本期跟主委來分享關於台東縣的公務人員的薪資加急的部分有就分為四個不同的項目主委你知道哪四個嗎 |
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大概光是原住民就有分山地鄉跟像大武跟那個就不一樣了。除非了解嘛一個台東縣有四個方法嘛離島加擠、東台加擠、偏遠加擠、山地加擠一本是以前所在的大武鄉來說好了大武鄉的公園有個新水平的叫東台加擠隔一條路過去就有達人鄉它是山地鄉它就是山地加擠這會造成什麼情況公園委員他會選擇性的去報到或是服務嗎 |
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的確其實我也遇到很多個案是這樣他寧可寫成山地鄉來做報告 |
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因為它的價值會比一般的價值還更多所以這個部分的確是我們應該要整個來整個檢討到底怎麼樣讓原住民在適當的地方取得適當的待遇這是很重要的甚至本席再建議一個就是說我們剛才提到張委員講到的母語部分母語應該是要鼓勵所以不只是原住民連漢人朋友也要來鼓勵他們來考證照所以給他相關的一些鼓勵措施好像 |
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臺東其實原漢的生活形狀在一塊了甚至有一些漢人朋友他長期跟原住民相處他也會講母語應該要鼓勵他讓他有這個講母語的環境而不是上完課回家有些家庭甚至都要講母語啊所以母語推動其實還是有需要加強的地方這個部分本期我是建議因為這邊可以做討論未來在推動母語的時候也可以列為公務人員的一個鼓勵的方法 |
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原民會現在每個月的擴大主管匯報我們是鼓勵我們的主管用各組的主義來報告我們只要用耳機聽我都會聽到他在講什麼也因為這樣一年多之後我們 |
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這個中規處的處長他去考州主的這個族裔認證的時候他去年底已經考上高級認證了這個是典型的一個案例本期本來要去考的啦那時間沒有認證沒有去考我覺得這個是鼓勵啦這是鼓勵班文化人員應該要推廣給大家知道不管你是哪一個族群本期認為只要在這一塊土地上 |
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生存的、生活的每一個人都應該去了解尊重多大文化這個未來我覺得也是可以在我們市政上能夠做跟其他的局處來做一些溝通比如說觀光這塊記得本期的近期跟那個蘭嶼的冰板舟的文化因為不懂文化而觸犯到的我覺得這個都可以避免都可以避免那這次以上是本期的一些建議還有有一些問題我想會再跟主席來就教 |
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麥委員好想要請教主委一下因為現在資訊時代來臨所以數位發展是快速但是我們很多就是在民眾在階級的背景種族還有競技、居住的地方不同所以為了避免資訊 |
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平復不均的形象越來越嚴重以及公平保障每一個人都能夠參與資訊的社會應該如何消除數位落差的非常的重要所以我們接下來我們進一步探討就是我們要找出問題解決問題因為今天我們的原住民的朋友有很多都是我的學長 |
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在那個淨宇大學那邊所以要想要請教一下所以我們在112年的數位落差的調查報告原住民的家戶連網路就是用基礎的手機就是4G或者5G的行動但是呢 |
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很多家庭裡面的寬屏還有顯示原住民居住的地方確實有數位落差的問題。主委認為如何落實提升原住民族群交互的網路的效率。 |
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麥委員所提到的確因為原住民居住的環境是比較偏遠的地方所以網路的這個通路比我們在都市地區比較落後一點但是我們這幾年透過我們的I部落這個I tribe的整個我們的網路的建置其實我們在每一個部落幾乎都已經有建置這個網路的使用那當然家庭端這個部分可能還要再加強 |
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是,所以真的是為了解決原住民的失智啦,失智所以是不好找嘛所以在裡就說就是地方的問題所以在我們在資料這邊的看來不管是山地原住民或者平地原住民家中的無法上網 |
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原住民的地區的學生根本沒辦法在家就是演劇學習的,或者補課,所以導致 |
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會受到剝奪他們的權利所以主委認為如何突破呢剛才你有說因為有這樣子的落差問題所以我們是知道有這樣落差問題是不是我們要如何去解決委員是不是請我們實際辦理的處長因為他本身也是住在阿里山到底那個整個網路使用狀況跟委員做一個簡單報告好不好好麻煩你 |
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我們目前有推動iTRIBE愛部落的措施針對商業用的電信網路無法普及的地方我們透過設置AP的方式提供免費的無線網路目前736個部落已經有建置 |
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那我們建制的原則就是說我們只要建制在這個部落我們是至少要達到涵蓋率80%是80%的地區他都是可以涵蓋的所以他當然他沒有辦法說100%因為資源跟這個經費的因素所以但是我們會盡量在目前如果我們會調查目前還有不足的地方會再去加強的這個部分好 謝謝 |
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有些縣市的教育軟體與相關硬體仍然不足 |
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目前就是要希望更多但是有一些縣市有有一些縣市沒有就像我們看到的現在的像我們臺中跟桃園我們就會有一些的補助但是呢我們每一個縣市都有我們的原住民所以為了讓更多人受益主委認為是原住民是不是可以我們的原委會 |
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可以統籌關於數位落差的補助還有各縣市補助的金額的不同這樣是不是會更好支援整合還有希望每一個不管上帝原住民還是平地原住民都可以收回 |
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這個部分我們會在持續跟我們的教育部在這個部分的整個教學的這個部分的這個落差來做一個協調讓整個補助會更公平這個我們來一起努力 |
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是,因為我們希望說資源整合還有就是說我們資訊要不打就像很多人就說我們是原住民有很多我們的經費但是沒有去普遍去說明的話我們原住民的朋友他們就不懂怎麼去申請又怕核銷麻煩 |
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所以很多人都說像我們新住民、原住民只要我們漢人貼一張說我照顧新住民我照顧原住民就可以來申請經費就會有這樣子的問題存在希望說我們要來原委會這邊的話有來去管理這樣子的話對我們真正的照顧這個落實的照顧到我們原住民 |
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我們這個部分會仔細的讓我們的信息讓每一個原住民都可以充分瞭解也獲得同樣的這個補助的標準 |
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是,拜託我們主委因為大學社會責任的踏實計畫還有就是我們教育部的相關的計畫原民會針對這樣子的計畫是否有參與協助有沒有掌握不同的部會在原住民辦理這些計畫的執行成果還有說有沒有建立出一個平台一個整合的資料 |
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跟委員報告其實我們這幾年剛剛我們的召委高經緯也提到其實很多原住民的業務是跨部會的所以我們大概現在定期都會跟跨部會包括交易部、農委會、衛福部都會跨平台的溝通會議雖然不一定把所有的問題都逐一解決但是我們都會定時做一個分工合作的檢討 |
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是沒有有就是大家是跨部會來去來去討論但是所以這個成果都是就是跨部會後來去來去報告的有沒有是落實來到在地的輔導因為剛才我講就是因為很多人都變成是專業學生所以希望說我們要 |
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導大家成為師資成為是主導的來去申請這些計劃這樣才是真正的後續發展還有讓我們真正的原住民來主導不是說有懂的人來去指導因為很多人都說我們原住民很多錢所以呢我們來懂的人來去賺不懂的人的錢所以我聽到的是這樣的 |
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現象因為我在我在靜怡大學是去讀研究所的時候80%的原住民的同學他們都是說很多費用都是懂的人來申請變成我們不懂我們永遠當學生希望這個部分我們原委會要來協助讓我們學以致用讓我們是有後續發展這樣才真正的達到學習的功能 |
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根委員報告其實以原民會的業務我們受理補助的對象都是要具有原住民身份的才可以來上課的具有原民身份但是申請經費沒有限制是嗎是這樣的照我知道申請只要你的章程有照顧新原住民你就可以來如果是學校的話是民間團體 |
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應該不會有這個現象才對我們都是以原住民的身份優先做補助因為有邀請我去當講師的我是看很多都是各個民間團體的單位所以不是真的是原住民的朋友所以我是看到的是說來上課的就是原住民的朋友變成就是一直來上課變成專業學生 |
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這也是我看到的事項希望說我們有後續發展也讓我們原住民朋友就是自己有在這樣子的受惠才真正的照顧到我們的族民這樣好不好如果說委員有時間的話我會後請我們的同仁 |
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當面跟委員請一道理像靜怡大學這些學生或是你接觸的原住民有遇到什麼樣的問題我們願意再進一步跟他們做一個說明讓他們獲得更完整的資訊來獲得政府的補助希望我們委員會主動主動跟業者還有主管機構提出建議還有要求以上報告 謝謝謝謝委員 |
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好,非常謝謝麥義正委員的諮詢,謝謝主委,謝謝我們請王美惠委員諮詢謝謝,我們感謝主席,我們現在一將主委有請一將主委委員你好主委你好 |
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老闆 老闆本市要幫你探討一些原住民的管理在這裡面在最近我們的觀光路已經破沒多了在這個過程當中有離空一三年開始到這個總統特赦在這個過程裡面十幾年就是剛才我們說 |
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我們的董事說的這個規定當中若沒有抗壓性及健康說實在這十幾年對他的生活、對他面臨的手法有多大在這裡面本身也覺得說 |
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我們的修法當中對原住民他們都會拍臉、都會去摔在這個規定當中我們會修這個草案裡面我也知道你跟經濟事務也有去當地了解如何讓這個草案做得好讓原住民的管理又補得好 |
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若在此規定,若認為原住民好在此國外大破無罪若有罪,若認為原住民當故以來的文化 |
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你看這邊他為了生活為了要發展來發生事情的時候在這個十幾天的規定他如何要去面對他的司法再來我們有機會來修這個法在你身為原住民的主委 |
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你如何擴大?我們想不到的,要怎麼來再想好?你有什麼見解?請主委,你說。謝謝委員,我想網關戶這個案的確 |
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盧委員所提到的十多年來他受到身心的煎熬這個部分我可以理解所以我跟委員報告所以地方法院開庭的時候我還親自來出庭表達我們的立場所以這幾年我們在跟相關的農委會要做一些相關的修法包括像野保法等等的法令怎麼樣 |
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剛委員提到的原住民自己用打獵的這個部分應該是無罪的他不是要賣的自己用的包括要辦這個射耳機的部分應該也要獲得同意裁對這個部分目前法律已經慢慢的在修正我們也很謝謝法院給王光祿一個最後的平反因為主委你雖然不會去出庭的時候你想到 |
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董事長、董事長、董事長、董事長、董事長、董事長、 |
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有他們的保障才是最重要的。本席跟你說到這個法律後,我們未來要來收到他們土地法律時,是要如何可以保障他們的管理,因為本席也很高興的。 |
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現在有的原住民他有時候很高興的,他有時候想說自己要賺三天,他也讓你賺三天,但是終於買了,地也不是他的,管理也不是他的,主委你知道我要說什麼嗎?有,現在很多保留地那個土地的教育的問題很嚴重,這個我理解,是。 |
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主委所以我認為您是非常認真為原住民的管理因為我剛才這樣說您就了解了因為現在 |
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有專門人員會參加．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．．． |
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原住民族及都市原住民發展條例立法 |
| transcript.whisperx[148].start |
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若選擇有八百二十八的都共有一千兩百五十八的立法議席若在這個規定當中我們的學校設在阿里山及大邦你認為他要再去註冊這樣才有方便來做立法議席他在立法議席上要去註冊的時候 |
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要去阿里山、要去大邦跟主委我是怎麼來的你說大邦跟阿里山大邦跟阿里山很接近的我也希望你們可以讓這個教育做得更好是不是那個距離讓他說我們在這裡可以來這間房子跟這間房子這邊如果當兵的來這邊房子沒關係但是兩間房子都差不多差不多 |
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主委,未來我們這裡,你剛才說的工作報告裡面,在這裡看的時候,我也覺得說,我們還有改善的空間,尤其這個母語,我講實在的,你剛才說的,我們也鼓勵教育會,跟他們這樣講,講久了會痛, |
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若本身有很多原住民的戶口在森林,他一定都在市內的生活,他要如何讓他的貿易保存下去,所以請自己去。 |
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與婦人、中學、大廈一間專班的嚴格及保證為之,你知不知道那間的福德及教育有什麼要改善的嗎?來,主委。 |
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的確關於這個學校的部分我不是很了解不是很了解,這樣好來,主委本身有在提供這些意見的時候你一定要去了解,因為說說說,不是說說說,還有自己有一個而已 |
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我們是要看稍後的效果如何,若不好的時候,我們是不是要主管給他,還是去看他們的價錢是如何,不是說錢錢錢就好了。所以主委,我們未來的原住民保育也好,他們的管理也好,很多需要我們去幫忙三天。 |
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因為剛才講的沒去,你們沒在家的家沒在家的講,就是像我講的台語一樣,若沒人這樣講的時候,現在像台語講的沒幾個了。 |
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所謂愛國保準的時候,是真沒簡單。所以你剛才說到用教育來處理,用到教育來處理的時候,有時候孩子一定來在家裡,他沒辦法去學到我們的母語。 |
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主委你有什麼想法嗎來的確我覺得語言要從家庭、學校還有社區都要使用才有機會就好像委員這幾年都用台語來執行反而我的台語越來越進步我非常感謝你感謝大家互相合心互相尊重主委我也覺得所有的意見 |
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就是我們原住民、原住委說實在的、很用心的包括報告也好、包括你去開會也好都可以說出你自己的目的是非常公平的事情所以本身要跟你說我們如何要讓原住民這10、10族的可以保存下去這是最重要的不是你今天跟我談完以後再說 |
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我也覺得要認真去做,我最初也跟你說,我們設學校是要給原住民的文化好、學習好、學童保育好都可以保存的,這是最重要的,在這裡面我提供我的意見,我們要好好去做,因為說實在原住民裡面的醫生 |
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無咎,但只要開放到那裡,到那裡會不會來,是要看結果是怎樣,不是說特地在這裡說說而已,剛才主委說了說,我們也鼓勵大家去考慮, |
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這是少數,我們也可以以入進展,譬如我們當時來考一個詞,這樣不很好,所以主委,我們要添付什麼事情,可以讓原住民的權利保準,剛才我所說的土地要去注意以上。 |
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主席各位委員各位官員各位媒體先進大家早安大家好我們是有請主委 |
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有請一將主委主委早首先恭喜你恭喜主委主委是非常認真的主委從這個蔡英文總統2016年這個520就職典禮到現在你都擔任我們這個主委的工作相比你對這個 |
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整個對原住民的服務跟建設上一定用了非常多的心力在我們不管是蔡總統跟立任行政院長的支持跟肯定那首先本席要跟您請教一下那520今年的520即將這個賴清德總統即將就職請問你會續任我們這個原住民委員會的主委嗎不會為什麼不會因為我們後面還有很多人才可以接棒 |
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原住民會第一任主委做最久的我怕後面排隊都會受不了了所以我會浪費對阿我覺得 |
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既然如果你對這個原住民的議題跟想法這麼的深厚那我相信說希望你還是可以跟我們賴清德準總統討論看看是不是繼續續任來延續這些原住民優質的一些政策謝謝委員我們原住民人才積極不用擔心畫面都會做得比我更好 |
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好那接下來我先請教主委一個問題就是說這個原住民的這個健康的問題其實是我相信主委你非常的這個在意的部分跟主委報告一下我國現在台灣的 |
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所有人平均壽命從105年80歲,111年大概79.84歲,相差不多,因為當時疫情的原因,造成平均壽命沒有往上增加。可是軍隊原住民族的平均壽命是從105年的71.92歲, |
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到111年只有增加到73.65歲所以顧名思義他的這個平均壽命叫一般原住民朋友的平均壽命叫一般國人平均的壽命有大概6歲以上的差距請問主任你清楚這件事情嗎委員的確你提供的數據是目前的狀況不過我跟委員補充報告 |
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這幾年因為你剛剛有提到這個疫情期間反而我們國人的平均移民往下降但是因為這幾年我要謝謝大院一直支持我們的文化健康站普赦文化健康站以後我們這幾年的原住民的平均移民跟一般社會已經拉近到剩下6年多雖然還很長但是5年前是差8年多現在拉近到6年多這個我們會繼續努力 |
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好那拜託主委這邊要多來注意這些事情因為就我們原住民的十大死因中其實不管是什麼腫瘤、事故、心血管疾病、呼吸道以及就診的次數都是高於全國的平均所以還是有現在目前還是有存在著健康不平等的情況 |
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那當然立法院在2023年的5月份也通過了這個原住民的健康法那就是希望說你們可以投入更多的心力來照顧原住民的健康的問題所以本席在這邊針對這個原住民的健康的問題是不是因為當時我相信在去年今年總統大選的期間也有我們本黨的候選人總統候選人有提出來說是不是有機會針對我們所有65歲以上 |
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這我們的原住民族的健保費來去做這個補貼的動作那請問主委這對這個想法有什麼看法嗎 |
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跟委員報告其實原住民的健保費的補助這幾年也都有像六列二目的部分都是有補貼的那現在65歲以上前面的補助這個部分這個涉及到我們要跟我們的這個衛福部要做一個協商有沒有可能在國家的預算的承擔之下可以來做這樣的一個處理 |
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因為當時跟主委報告一下現在在六都的部分65歲以上的長者是有健保費的補貼那因為我們原住民的好朋友有些不在六都以內所以本席還是這邊要拜託我們的主委的部分可以先去試算一下如果要補貼的話總金額大概是多少那原民會有沒有這樣的預算如果可以的話我相信可以對我們原住民朋友的平均壽命會有一個 |
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幫助的部分那第二個我要請教的就是原住民有關於這個社會住宅的一個問題因為大家都知道說先請教主委一下好了你這邊有沒有統計過我們原住民的朋友是不是尤其年輕人不管年輕人各個年齡族群是不是取得房屋取得他們因為普遍經濟上沒有那麼的充足是不是取得房屋上會有相對應的困難 |
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我長期住在新北市在都市地區的原住民的房屋自由利比一般的地很多這是普遍的現象沒有錯他們沒有辦法在都市裡面買到可以讓他可以來承擔貸款的這樣的一個房子 |
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大部分都是租房子比較多對那我請問一下那主委這邊有什麼想法可以來協助我們這些原住民的好朋友未來如何取得住宅或是說現在新北市有一些是專門for這個原住民的社會住宅比如舉例有新店中正社宅以及三峽榮恩普社會住宅的部分 |
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那這兩個社宅目前的規定本期聽說是就是以租賃來講的話是三年三年可以作為一起的租賃然後未來如果要延續續租的話可以再三年那現在我相信現在普遍大家討論到的是說那因為既然原住民的好朋友比較難取得這個房子那是不是有考慮原住民的好朋友可以來買這個社宅的地上權 |
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然後未來有機會就是說由原住民的好朋友賣這個地上權的房子沒有土地只有買房子的地上權然後未來可以原住民賣給原住民的好朋友 |
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我再跟委員做補充的報告目前住在社宅的原住民大概有9000多戶剛剛委員提到這個部分就是購買地上的房子這個部分以前我在新北市當議員的時候我也是主張這樣子像我們新北市的新店的山陰部落啦或者是這個西州部落跟 |
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這個英哥的山陰部落應該讓他們取得地上錢的房屋這個部分這個可能還要跟我們的相關的政府要做一個溝通才可能做這樣的處理以租代購的方式以租代購用比較高的租金讓他可以逐年的可以來付那個貸款這個政策要做決定才可能買讓他們買那個房子 |
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不然主委我們有機會會後我們再討論看看如何來往這個方向來推動讓原住民的朋友他們有機會是可以取得比如說比較長期有點像地上權的這個概念取得這個房屋的這個使用權那 |
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這邊本席還是要拜託主委的部分就是說有關於我們原住民的好朋友過去一直以來取得房子的困難我本身本席有很多原住民的好朋友他在目前不是原住民的社宅而是在排一班的社宅的時候 |
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有發現到就是基本上排不太進去那您是不是有幫我統計一下說目前我們原住民的好朋友在排社宅的部分他排隊的情形是不是排的很多人就是很多原住民的好朋友其實是事實上是他沒有因為就是說本身因為經濟負擔情形比較不好那可是也是排房子也是排不到的問題 |
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我們在社宅的比例像不管在新北市在桃園市都有原住民人口比例優先進駐這樣一個比例出來那大概有沒有統計一下說現在目前還有排隊的我們原住民的好朋友大概人數多少 |
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我們會後再做統計提供委員做個參考因為本期現在目前收到的訊息是說很多原住民的好朋友目前來講他是排社宅是排不到的一個情形那所以說因為你是主委嘛有沒有辦法來協助他們不是說要他們說有什麼樣的特權而是說第一個原住民的社宅的興建要來加強第二個是不是說來協助這些原住民 |
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怎麼樣在他們排涉宅的時候他們的資料準備是不是不充裕還是他們遇到相關的一些問題我覺得主委這邊可以來協助看看所以像現在目前以新北市來講的話呢以原住民為主的這個集合式的住宅就涉宅那我知道在新北市的樹林有一個涉宅的規劃這個部分我們會仔細的跟新北市政府還有內政部來我們一起來解決關於經費的問題 |
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好 最後還有剩一分鐘的時間那主委最近我們內政委員會有在修這個海洋保育法的問題那基本上像我們高軍昭偉他非常在意的就是原住民的權益的問題那也希望說這邊主委的部分一定要來協助我們昭偉對於現在在修的這個海洋保育法有沒有影響到我們這個原住民祖他傳統的文化跟技藝的一些祭典的一些的 |
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一般來講的有沒有影響到那我希望說會後的部分是不是可以討論一下說或是給我們一個報告說現在有關於海洋保育法現在未來即將實施後跟原住民族可能遇到問題是會有機會相關的一些規劃做法及解決的方案有沒有機會提供書面給本席來參考可以而且跟委員補充報告 |
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我也注意到海洋保育法已經做了公聽會那其實管委員也私底下跟我聯繫說未來我們院版送到大院的這個法案的部分還有什麼需要在關於原住民的部分需要充實的我們很願意跟各個委員再做一個溝通看看怎麼樣更落實保障原住民的海洋的這個食用錢這個部分我們會兼顧保育這個部分來一起來努力 |
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好 謝謝主席 謝謝謝謝委員好 謝謝張志倫委員也謝謝宜江主委我們請張志倫委員代理主席好不好 謝謝好 請高津委員質詢好 謝謝主席有請宜江主委 |
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好請主委謝謝原民會事務真的是非常的多所以我今天可能會花比較多時間請這個主席再給我一點多一點的時間好不好好一江主委好八年了您是做最久的主委而且是應該很進入狀況了所以呢今天我做召委我只要是涉及原民會各處事的業務也請你們弄了一個專案報告來所以今天我先問一下中規處 |
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這個蔡政府倒數已經快要50天了我們今天檢視一下這8年來蔡政府原住民政見的總體檢我們來看一下大家因應期盼的所謂的自治法105年蔡總統在原住民政見他就提出來了原住民的自治法草案然後107年我們所謂的原轉會 |
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他在會上也跟蔡英文總統明確的指出就是原住民的自治要有一、明確的空間範圍二、要有自治的權限三、要有固定的裁員然後自治的架構要由原住民族跟政府對等充分協商之後產生請問一下八年來現在推動哪裡了而且就我知道這八年來你們已經花了三千多萬 |
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三千五百零六萬兩千卻勝不出一個原住民自治法然後主委你不要忘記這八年來在立法院民進黨的委員是多數按照這個道理來說只要是我們蔡總統的政見應該就很容易只要他在意應該很容易通過為什麼到現在還沒有通過簡單的講一下 |
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我想委員也都了解過去我們很多版本都送進來過各個政黨的立場都從來沒有一致過那委員我是覺得以我面對自治法的這幾年的狀況我覺得我們採取分流立法反而是最快速的 |
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分流立法有所謂剛剛才講到的這那麼重要的事情嗎第一個要這個原住民的固定財源自治的權限空間的範圍有嗎我們的財源是不是可以直接去修財政收支劃分發幣 |
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主委今天真的沒有很多的時間我要告訴您的是只要蔡政府她願意的話其實行政院長帶領的大家一起來討論其實會蠻快的所以這八年來每一底推動原住民自治的預算用在哪裡開什麼會是不是在這兩個禮拜之內交給我一下 |
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另外多元人口佔比從91年的32.8%到今年2月已經成長了49.76%現在總共是294,802人了長者黨輔助非常的快蔡總統在105年的時候她對原民的政見也提出她要支持都市原住民發展我們在第10屆第2會期的時候審查原民會的預算原民會也承諾你們要嚴明都市原住民族發展條例草案 |
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一百一十年也花了一百四十萬做都市原住民族現況還有政策的研究一百一十一年又花了兩百一十二萬做都市原住民族發展學術研討會可是呢都市原住民族發展條例草案還是提不出來為什麼委員其實顏明慧版本的草案已經擬妥了現在就是要 |
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等我們行政院跟各部會做一個協商才會...蔡總統快離開了耶那520之前可以嗎這是他的證件喔他的證件要跳票嗎好沒關係請你我們這個版本請你趕快趕快好不好趕快送行政院會如果行政院會沒有送出來請問一下為什麼是蔡總統的證件對原住民的都市原住民不在意嗎要跳票嗎總要有個說明吧好謝謝經發處 |
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2022年通過的《食農教育法》第7條規定原住民族主管機關的主則是原住民的營養、均和飲食、傳統農作、飲食文化的推廣然後原住民族籍的食農教育專業人員要培訓計畫請問一下現在辦理的狀況怎麼樣? |
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6753.661 |
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跟各位委員報告我們依照上一次委員特別的指示那希望能夠對這個食農交易能夠進一步來協助族人那我們現在在我們這個特色農業的這個計畫那我們也推動這個三張EQ那現在大概200多個團體現在也跟我們開始來試試 |
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那個處長您知道嗎除了現在你們已經推動了之外你現在清楚知道嗎我們原住民族的地區是其實呢平常他的身份除了農民之外他到了假日轉變為民宿業者然後或者是餐廳老闆或者是露營區的營主請問一下你對這樣子原住民族在自己的地方有那麼多的身份你覺得應該怎麼做你們有沒有去做過統計 |
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我們想一個做法就是應該用地產地銷的方式也就是說當我們的這個國人到我們的這個部落來那同時這個時數郵購我想都可以來帶動我們部落的這個經濟我想整個那個點線面的部分我們原民會大概都已經制定了這個中長程計劃 |
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是完全可以結合部落產業政策的那你們目前有我剛剛說了有很多身份的這些我們的族人因為我們只不過59萬人嘛已經29萬人已經在都會了所以留在部落裡面的人其實不多你們有沒有做一個這樣子一個統計他的身份有多重身份的到底有多少人然後這些人要非常的精準的來扶植他們這樣子的話年輕人回流才才比較願意啊 |
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114年5月1日 |
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國土救援法就要施行了我也清楚知道你們也在地方做了一番的說明然後我們這個族人的土地使用也會跟一般地區脫鉤處理回歸到我們破落的主體由原民會跟內政部來共同主管現在大家很擔心的就是一戶的問題我記得在那個我們的助團會上面我們的族人都講一戶都不能少請問一下杜章處長現在是不是有往這個方向去進行 |
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6909.351 |
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各位委員報告這個有關於主任遺戶的部分他土地權益的保障事實上在去年的10月已經有發文給各個鄉鎮施工所來調查他們目前這個遺戶的使用狀況那原則上在這遺戶裡面可能都有涉及到像雜貨店、小吃店或者是一些民宿或者露營場的這樣的經營那我們原則上這個資料彙整回來以後我們正在研議 |
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6919.963 |
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因為我們現在在制定這個土地使用規則那我們會研議看怎麼樣納入這使用規則來保障那個一戶好 你們那資格告訴我大概有8萬多戶8萬多戶如果分棟的話就是個別棟大概將近12萬到14萬 |
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所以也就是說114年5月1號以後我們將有8萬戶的原住民的族人他的建築就會合法了當然未來有取得建築只知道我們還必須要建築用地的部分我們還必須要以我召委的話我會來跟內政部還有建築工會一起來討論但是現在最重要的就是有非常多的族人我們到的地方去然後我們用法條式的羅列給大家我們的族人非常的不理解所以是不是原民會你們製作縮帖 |
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6955.211 |
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6974.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[213].text |
然後讓我們族人比較容易理解的方式給族人聽好不好這個我們在推動辦公室有做這樣的規劃懶人包還有一些QA的另外就是有一些要加強說明的部落的部分我們也會進行未來還會做幾場目前我們自己的所謂大型就是像上個月才剛剛 |
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6975.687 |
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6999.205 |
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應該是上個月才剛舉辦一場還有四場但是屬於比較基礎的部分我們持續在推因為我們跟那個國土署有相關的經費的一組一直做到113年的年底我一定這個懶人包一定要讓主任知道那他本席呢也會跟內政部還有那個建築師公會我們一起來討論未來要如何加速我們這個原住民區的合法建築物的部分好不好謝謝 |
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7000.006 |
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7014.431 |
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公建處很重要不好意思再給我一點時間我們的道路和基礎建設真是很重要我一直追蹤這個部落聯絡道路養護預算我們的交通部都是給要一塊給五毛請問一下你們要怎麼樣爭取不足的這個兩億的部分 |
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7019.06 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].end |
7040.469 |
| transcript.whisperx[216].text |
而且我的總諮詢他們答應要做回喔包委喔目前調查結果其實這去年今年只有45個鄉公所提出需求沒有啊不管他提不出需求你們都應該要把補足那個不足的部分補回來啊我目前調查結果是45個鄉公所所以我目前做法就是沒有提出需求的部分我們就優先分配給需求比較高的 |
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沒有 處長你沒有回答我的問題我在總諮詢的時候一將主委來回答一下你明明聽得很清楚知道行政院長說他要補回這2億不足的部分請問一下院長要下來之前呢已經快要離開這個位置了院長有沒有交代一下 |
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根委包括我們這個部分在編列下年度的預算的時候盤點一下過去一年執行的方向那整個需求是什麼我們應該按照實際期限編列預算沒有我剛剛講的是養護預算養護預算其實對營商很重要 |
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養護率預算我們長期以來就是編列不足啊然後自從我質詢了之後好不容易找到了這筆錢啊那事實上這筆錢還有2億不足的部分啊是不是要把它追回來所以114年是不是可以把它追回來因為這2億可以做很多事情耶你們雖然有很多的特色道路移居部落等等其實是不夠錢的對不對也這樣主委是對啊所以你們是不是要怎麼討論一下這個追回來以後要怎麼使用 |
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我們對養護會的部分來談舔一下過去執行的狀況來編列下個年度的預算好謝謝希望你們能明確告訴我這個大概到我辦公室來說明一下社福處原住民中心10月12號我曾經跟衛環委員會來質詢然後也在3月5號也跟院長質詢了在上週原本要報院的所謂的這個計畫為什麼會把它臨時抽出來 |
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跟委員報告 因為現在行政計畫還沒有核定 那我們有針對有一個部分要去做一個補充資料那比如說像我們的那個原加重慶的定位 我們當初再寫清楚一點就是提供以原住民族主體為本什麼時候要提供資料給行政院 因為院長也答應我在他離開之前要把他核定這個計畫已經送過去了已經送了齁 好 請你再繼續追蹤一下 |
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好,我們再繼續談一下,內政部今年2月最新數據看到原住民的扶幼比例是26.57,高於全體國民的17.11,代表原住民的父母養育的壓力遠大於其他人。然後我們非常多原住民父母也離鄉背井到都市工作,因此在部落裡面常看到隔代教育的問題。0到2歲的原民脫嬰,你們有什麼政策?請問一下。 |
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一向注意這很重要那謝謝委員那也是在大院的支持下我們現在503這個文件上那其中一個很重要的政策我們在那個老幼供學部分我知道可是文件有時候這個是2到6歲0到2歲有嗎 |
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是那領導兩歲的部分現在在衛福部他有提供一些相關的一個偵測也目前是有在做一個我們有在做一個關係但是領導二歲的部分那在我們的教文處也有一些相關一個保姆誘託的部分這樣我建議領導二歲你剛剛說在教文處那麻煩教文處跟你這個這個這個一起來告訴我你們怎麼做好不好但是我提供一個一個是擴大族語保姆的適用範圍 |
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讓更多的部落長者可以參與。第二個是簡化屬於保姆的申請流程,讓我們的長者更願意申請。第三個是讓有意願跟能力的長者在文件站兼做屬於保姆的工作。其實這個部分都可以值得你們來思考,可以嗎? |
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好繼續我要問一下語推組織了2月29號原民會邀請各語推組織的人員召開語推組織共事的會議幾乎所有語推組織都有反應希望能夠增加人力跟預算請問一下主委你們怎麼做現在有沒有增加人力有沒有增加預算你剛剛說主語的部分在教會裡面你編了不少的預算為什麼在實際上推動主語的這些人不給他增加的預算跟人力 |
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我們對已推人員的預算編列我們會逐年做一個檢討有沒有你這個檢討啊你剛剛講到了2月29號你才跟他們做會議啊他們正在等待你們原民會怎麼處理啊 |
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這個部分我們因為這個會議不是我本人主持我會趕快請我們的同仁來520之前麻煩趕快要處理解決這個問題你做了8年你應該很清楚知道他們的痛處在哪裡所以一個月不要一個月請一個禮拜也到我辦公室說明一下給這些輿推人員一些保障跟他們要有的解決問題好不好我們會持續在相關的費用做一個 |
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調整一下好不好做一個滾動的修正好謝謝繼續請原民會最後一點時間原民會的董事長請問一下您上台之前您好好聽一下您小小裡面的電視台廣播人才你們禁用和培訓有沒有明確的升遷制度請問 |
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有沒有明確的申請制度有沒有提供給本席然後主管職還有第一線工作者的緣額有沒有擬定族群比連我們自己電視台跟廣播電台都沒有所謂的族群比例的話我們如何要求別人呢 |
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就是族群的比例對阿當然要阿然後第三個是長期以來我很看重的人才培訓請問董事長你有沒有掌握我們在各個學校相關的大眾傳播的人數跟科系然後呢你們有沒有規劃這些孩子畢業之後怎麼到你們的電視台或是廣播台去工作嗎那或者是他在求學的時候能不能就到你們那邊去做實習有沒有這樣的制度 |
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有,我們現在的實習制度都明確定定,然後另外就是我們要加強跟各個原住民的推廣單位合作來推進。好,我再問你,你跟大眾傳播的科系有沒有數據你手上? |
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你如果沒有數據的話你怎麼跟他們做對交流怎麼跟他們做對接你們等於是被動式的沒有主動式的那我們培養了這麼多的孩子連我們自己的電視台連自己的廣播台進不去你不是覺得很奇怪嗎 |
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我們過去有這方面的資料不過應該要再重新更新董事長請您把我剛剛說的三個問題提供給我第一個電視台廣播的人才禁用和培訓怎麼禁用培訓第二個有沒有明確的升遷制度第三個這些就讀相關傳播的人數跟科系你們有沒有資料然後最後一個提出具體的規劃好不好謝謝主席給我一點時間謝謝您 |
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好,謝謝高金昭偉,謝謝我們主委下一位我們請黃仁委員質詢,謝謝謝謝主席有請主委有請一江主委這是我第一次你好 |
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這第一次諮詢那針對國土計畫法造成了全國原住民的衝擊你有沒有因應的對策那第二個是現在國土計畫法限縮在農業的發展包含原住民族自己的土地裡面那有什麼樣的衝擊你來解釋一個 |
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跟委員報告其實我們針對國土計畫法的整個在推動的過程當中我們都是滾動的修正聽起民眾的需求來做處理包括像對原住民居住的問題我們用透過陳山跟農事的方式來解決他們居住的問題那甚至我們遂時際已的傳統的地方的使用的這個土地使用這個部分我們都會跟 |
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內政部來做處理,包括我們的土地使用規則也正在跟內政部做一個意見交換,草案也差不多要定案了。而且在幾年前我訪視過各部落、各鄉鎮我了解你們當時行政院委辦給顧問公司來到各鄉鎮來做一個說明在各鄉鎮說明的國土計畫法裡面 |
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很多部落的人參加有聽沒有懂非常有聽沒有懂而且當時我就第一時間告訴給各鄉鎮部落因為我左方各部落裡面有聽起來他們的一些心聲 |
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那聽起來他們心生對國土計畫法的這樣的一個草率的決定這樣的一個做法對我們整個全國也好或是針對原住民也好真的是非常的不利 |
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那你們現在好現在計畫要延後個兩年那這兩年裡面有什麼樣的一個更好因地制宜因地制宜的政策那第二個是原住民族擁有的保留土地有沒有放寬的來因應這個政策 |
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所謂的放寬就是我們有自己的原住民的土地在不影響山坡地跟他的林務用地之外那當然在他的擁有自己的原保地有什麼樣的開放政策這是第一個那我想這個報告你們提出來 |
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給我一份就是有沒有可能針對原住民的保留地的放寬使用放寬使用比如說他擁有這一塊土地他能夠有幾位議員有提到了可以跟做銀行的一個融資貸款這是一個好的政策 |
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第二、我們擁有了原保地,我們如何善用我們自己的土地,能夠營造我們自己的一個經濟產業。這是一個重點。你來回答。 |
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對,委員剛剛提到那個說明會的部分的確我也私下跟我們同仁講他的說明會的內容太專業了反而讓主任聽不懂所以未來到年底之前的整個說明會我們改變那個說明會的方式用簡便的用懶人包的方式讓我們的主任聽得懂這一點我們會再做改善這本來就應該你們這樣做的嘛因為 |
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7705.024 |
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程式上我們不是說他們聽不懂是要用我們自己的方法、方式比如說我跟老人家在對談的時候有時候我用國語去對談他不見得會聽得懂但是我要用母語跟老人家對談的時候他聽得懂原因在哪裡這就是根本嘛 |
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特別是浪費公帑啊那你們到處說我們要為了因應我們行政院長包含總統然後我要到處來做先討我們國土計畫法的政策結果囂張不利第二個有聽沒有的統治鄉親抱怨 |
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那是不是你們政府把我們的土地要收編限縮了開發的這個農地也限縮了我們原住民的保留地這是一個非常嚴重的 |
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那是不是政府想要獨通我們原住民的原保地這是很嚴重有人會用這種想法弄不好你們先導不好變成本末倒置倒過來誤會你們的政府今天推動的國土計畫法的政策裡面是好意還是惡意還是故意侵佔了我們自己的土地你來說明 |
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委員的確其實國土計畫法真正的目的是怎麼樣讓原住民的土地可以更更好的這個充分利用而不是給他們更多的限制也許在我們過去的說明當中可能說明的不夠清楚我們也贊同委員的指教就是阿諾伊地尼尼阿諾奧阿諾阿夫基美登耶古瑪多阿塞爾頓諾厚拉密山諾阿密山山諾阿密山阿密山 |
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7810.092 |
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貝南族有貝南族的語言可以告訴給貝南族祈禱,台灣族有台灣族的語言可以講嘛,但是你要用漢語去解釋這個立場上實在是主委,你應該跟你們的高層好好的說 |
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7836.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[252].text |
陪同你們自己相關跟土地有關係的單位裡面跟產業有關係的進行來一起來做一個說明這才是一個真正對族人的尊重另外我特別要提出來這個報告順便也給我我特別提出來是我們現在全國裡面的文康站文建站全國裡面有503個文建站 |
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| transcript.whisperx[253].end |
7862.944 |
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那有沒有增加不曉得我必須要講的現在4月份應聲要把電價應聲要漲價今天所有的計畫的方案包含他要承載承擔的電費今年都已經 |
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| transcript.whisperx[254].text |
報告完畢了那你們應申4月份漲價的時候有沒有因應的貼補的政策針對這個503個文件站很多文件站在反映你們漲價了變成他所有的這些預算裡面他必須要必須要墊出這個費用你們有沒有補貼的一個政策 |
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| transcript.whisperx[255].end |
7911.081 |
| transcript.whisperx[255].text |
陳委員報告如果因為電價漲價影響到文件商的營運我們會在業務費這個部分來做一個調整我看不出來你的業務費可以調整什麼東西你們都知道四月份都要漲價了四月份漲價你們本來第一時間你們常常自以為好的是什麼 |
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| transcript.whisperx[256].end |
7934.266 |
| transcript.whisperx[256].text |
文獻站是你們在實證的時候推展出來的造成這個文獻站的效應非常好也年輕了兩歲以上能夠讓老人家互相在文獻站裡面能夠情感交流包含記憶上的技術能夠延伸文化的延伸可是 |
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7935.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[257].end |
7951.443 |
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你們在4月份的時候在還沒有漲價之前你們本來就應該要針對這個政策要因應來告訴給全國的文件站我們有補貼的一個政策嘛是嗎這個部分針對電費漲價這個部分我們會做因應什麼時候 |
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實務的狀況因為比如說一個文件它到底它的電費的不用嘛按照你們現在賬的11%的電價然後今天文件站所開設的這一些文件站他們所承載的電力你們按照承載的電力裡面作為貼補補償的一個角色所以這個報告一個禮拜給我好不好好謝謝 |
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好 謝謝黃汝委員 謝謝宜將主委 謝謝繼續請李博毅委員質詢謝謝 來 我們請宜將主委宜將主委要喝水嗎好 請宜將主委 |
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第一次質詢原住民委員會的議題那我首先從我從哪裡來來跟您來跟主委還有跟我們所有委員會這邊來做一個說明 |
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我的選區是在左營跟楠梓高雄的左營跟楠梓我的選區佔的原住民人口佔全高雄的原住民人口有大概百分之三十七 |
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那所以我的選區其實在整個高雄市來講是原住民人口是多的那我的選區有一個在我有參與到的小型的建設那這個主委應該也有印象就是全國第一座的都會區的原住民的風雨球場 |
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它就在屏山里在屏山的運動公園那這一個運動公園呢其實我們很感謝原住民委員會這邊有提出400多萬的經費 |
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那體育署這邊也補助600多萬的經費但是其實他招標了6次都沒有招標出去那所以最後陳其邁市長呢他就加碼高雄市的負擔把他加到2000多萬讓這個案子可以順利的招標出去而且現在已經完工現在已經可以使用 |
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那這一個部分在感謝我們原住民委員會這邊捏咬之刀高雄市政府很挺這一個球場那所以在這一個球場現在已經可以使用那我現在也跟我們體育署也跟我們高雄市政府那我們也在設法想要來呃舉辦齁當當這一個我們原住民這這麼有特色的球場可以舉辦比賽那也可以讓 |
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到時候也可以讓原住民委員會這邊知道我們辦的各種比賽在這裡可以拓展很多這些不管是外地甚至舉辦比較有國際型的比賽也可以讓他可以看到雖然在都會區 |
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這一個球場離台積電有多近就是兩個紅綠燈就到台積電了所以是非常好的環境那在這邊也邀請李將主委你卸任之後來看一看來打打籃球來主委好對這個 |
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我們的屏山這個風雨球場其實在動土之前我還親自到那個地方去看因為那時候高雄市的原民會需要這個基金會我親自去了解那也謝謝我們各個部會還有包括高雄市政府一直很關心原住民的這個議題我們會繼續努力 |
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高雄市政府在這個案子多出了差不多800萬的經費在這邊特別也邀請主委你剛已經說了8年了要讓給人了卸任之後來看看來打打球我很樂意到高雄走一走我的選區就是在那個地方但是再擴大一點 |
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就是說其實高雄市原民會我還上一週趕快再跟他做一些討論其實原民會對於高雄的部落的特色道路的補助那對於我們這個秦河部落跟這個復興聯絡道的這些道路的補助也都有補助在這邊感謝之外呢今年度我們都市地區原住民的空間補助也有匡列大概4年10億的計畫 |
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那想要請教主委齁這些內容包含聚會所文化空間部落永續還有歷史文化風貌等等的這一些內容現在地方政府可以開始申請補助了嗎?這些內容的計畫大概可以什麼時候可以開始來申請這些相關的補助? |
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跟委員報告就是的確這個是我們最新的計畫委員有注意到我們真的非常高興表示你對顏敏的議題也非常的關心我問阿布斯的所以這個部分族群主流化的公共空間這個是都市原住民第一次編列就是資本門的預算申請時間可以在下個月底之前都可以隨時提出申請是 |
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那針對都市原住民的這些空間之外我這邊也提出建議吼那包含這個剛才講的這個球場其實是對於城市的觀光他是一個效益那對於我們這個都市原住民的空間的補助其實我還是建議說原委會這邊可以增加未來可能原住民的 |
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這個就業的空間也就是說比如說這個場館他補助之後他可以讓可以讓委託讓我們的原住民來做這些經營那我們要朝什麼方式的經營可以跟地方政府做一些密切的合作跟討論讓這除了這個空間的補助之外呢讓他也有工作機會那是不是請主委朝這個方向來來來做一些規劃 |
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公共設施蓋好之外怎麼樣讓它營運的更好而且讓族人有參與的機會這個才是我們新建公共設施很重要的就是我們在爭取的過程裡面其實就可以把這些 |
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這些條件要放進去如果他有後續的自廠的計畫的話其實我們是可以多補助給他一點這一些計畫其實在高雄市政府他已經很專長在做這個的所以我也會持續的協助高雄市政府原委會來跟原民會來做這一些爭取最後根據最後一題就是根據2015年我們制定的這個博物館法第6條規定我們中央 |
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為了研究原住民族文獻歷史及文物中央目的地事業主管機關應設置原住民族博物館 |
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那在2016年開始選址那一共當時有8個縣市提報那高雄市政府所提報的包含無償提供我們澄清湖原區的14公頃的土地那也已經確定那從2017年選址之後 |
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到2024年我們歷經了環評歷經了綜合規劃那歷經了這些都市計畫變更那歷經了國發會也建議我們原民會這邊用整體規劃分期興建的方式來興建來請教主委這一個案子的進度有沒有機會在520以前開始執行 |
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首先我要謝謝高雄市政府當年尤其是陳吉市長任內的時候八個縣市都希望把博物館放在那個地方我們最有誠意那最後就是因為後來高雄市是用陳清福那塊地是作為我們興建博物館的地方所以後來在評比的時候就趕上很多的地方政府來選定高雄市來設博物館是那我跟委員報告應該 |
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目前的進度應該會在陳院長卸任之前應該會做最後的核定 |
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最後的核定 核定之後我們再來繼續來努力這一個博物館的興建那這一個興建對高雄會造成什麼樣的觀光的效益其實也對於高雄市目前這麼多的觀光客包含高雄市你知道嗎昨天前天我們不是跑團很累我們是跑演唱會很累 |
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跑演唱會很累之餘其實對於城市的觀光對於這些比如說很多東南亞比如說很多日本、韓國的旅客都來到高雄的時候其實推展我們原住民文化其實也是非常重要的所以我們還是會持續的來推動這個原住民博物館讓它可以順利落腳在高雄那也可以一起來推動我們原住民文化謝謝 |
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我們也希望委員可以未來新建的費用的部分如果送到大院的時候請多多支持我們的預算你以後來參觀啦謝謝好謝謝李博焱委員的質詢謝謝一將主委我們休息五分鐘謝謝 |
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探討上面﹑會﹑會﹑好像﹑會﹑會來出征嗎?探討上面﹑會﹑會﹑好像﹑會﹑會來出征嗎? |
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看好他們會來主政就是他們自己看好自己所以當然他對這案子很敏感他們很重視所以 |
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看好他們會好像就是他們自己看好自己所以當然他對這個案子很敏感他們很重視所以當然就是會 |
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這個留下來好好的繼續再來溝通。立法院長王金平表示民進黨看好2016年總統大選好像會執政所以對政院版提出的草案很敏感強調要再多溝通而民進黨原住民族事務部主任對於為何反對目前政院版的自治推動看好他們會好像會來執政 |
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立法院長王金平表示 |
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立法院長王金平表示民進黨看好2016年總統大選好像會執政所以對政院版 |
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繼續我們請鍾嘉斌委員質詢。鍾嘉斌委員、鍾嘉斌委員、鍾嘉斌委員不在。請徐宇貞委員質詢。謝謝主席。請一將主委。有請一將主委。 |
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議長主委您好我想請教一下議長主委在2016年1月的時候總統候選人蔡英文在中選會的政見發表會上說在我執政的任內我一定要讓原住民族的實施自治踏出第一步並且更應該思考要給族人更多的支持跟支援為族人創造更多的公平發展實現經濟自主的機會請問主委 |
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原住民族的自治實施了嗎?根委報告其實自治的範圍是很多元的那我覺得有一些已經在實施了比如說呢?哪些?比如說我們大宴通過因為大宴通過原住民族語言發展法 |
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我們的公所可以用我們自己的模擬來發公文這是很具體的自治的一個第一步還有這個礦礦業法經過6年的整個討論以後終於礦業法通過了現在在 |
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原來的這個79礦的礦場都要經過當地部落的諮商同意這個就是部落本身自治的一個很重要的那所以在主委的意思就是說原住民族的自治指的就是這樣嗎 |
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自治當然不是就這個樣子但是我跟委員報告其實我們國家的自治即便自治法沒有過的這個時候之前我們很多地方的自治都已經開始推動了主委我想請教你就是我們原鄉目前的自治的法源比如說選舉區長、代表是 |
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因根據地方制度法來制定的那這直轄市原本原住民的區長沒有辦法從選舉的產生這是馬英九總統時期提出的行政院版本完成修法這個跟原住民自治法的立法差異也很大那請問一下所謂的原住民自治的部分你擔任原民會的主委8年了那這個部分為什麼到現在還沒有辦法實施呢 |
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我剛剛就鄭董剛剛跟委員報告的地方就是我們應該是這樣所謂的自治專法這個部分還沒有通過這是事實沒有錯但是對我來講那個是母法但是母法還沒有出生其實反而很多執法各位大院的支持之下已經逐步在推動像包括我們修了這個原住民族教育法 |
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很多民主教育的部分其實已經持續來推動向了一個方向。我想已經8年了這個腳步真的有點慢那我想不管是我們召委或是我們原住民的這些立法委員其實對於原住民的這些希望相關的這樣的權益跟立法其實我覺得應該要加緊腳步那尤其是在107年的時候這個 |
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第一次的原住民轉型正義會議召開的時候當時的蔡英文總統也明確指示原住民族的自治要有明確的空間範圍自治的權限固定裁員自治的架構則是要由原住民族與政府對等充分協商後產生那民進黨也執政8年了為什麼沒有提出行政院版本送立法院審議 |
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就剛剛跟委員報告的是我們這幾年的自治推動的方向是採取分流立法的方式不是用一個專法來推動那其實它的成效反而是有在進步的過程你覺得進步的幅度大嗎八年了 |
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就像剛剛委員所指教的就是在馬政府的時候因為地方自治法把六都的這個原住民的區有明顯產生那個也是一個自治的進步啊所以是馬總統時期推動的就對98年應該是沒有推動就對所以現在提不出自治法到底是你原民會的問題還是是蔡英文總統的執政團隊不讓你提出 |
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我可以舉一個例子給委員做個參考我們過去五個版本的自治版本 |
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除非我們要達成共識比如像臺東花蓮原住民人口最多的地方是不是可以讓原住民化在自治區裡面所以主委我的問題是是你們提不出來還是蔡英文總統的執政團隊不讓你提出不是提不出來我們過去都往這個方向去推動但是在大宴審議的時候就沒有辦法審議 |
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9248.075 |
| transcript.whisperx[306].end |
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那我再請教您就是你知道2015年立法院第7會期第8會期馬英總統執政的時期立法院曾經有機會先通過原住民族自治推動條例嗎後來好像也沒有推動對為什麼 |
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因為當時的原住民的委員包括我們高金昭委還有剛剛有發言的提案的鄭天才委員廖國棟委員孔文吉委員甚至已故的簡東明委員全部都簽署了協商結論最後卻功虧一簣主委知不知道是誰不願意簽署協商結論的這個我了解的狀況不是很清楚那本席告訴你就是當時的民進黨的主席蔡英文好我們來看一段新聞影片 |
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請播放他們會好像會來出證就是他們自己看好自己所以當然他對這個案子很敏感他們很重視所以當然就是會留下來好好的繼續再來溝通 |
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立法院長王金平表示民進黨看好2016年總統大選好像會執政所以對政院版提出的草案很敏感強調要再多溝通而民進黨原住民族事務部主任對於為何反對目前政院版的自治推動條例草案也提出回應自治推動條例裡面要讓原住民有分配統籌款的話我們是支持的喔你只要在你的推動自治條例裡面有劃定明確的自治區給原住民 |
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民進黨認為國民黨提出的 |
| transcript.whisperx[311].start |
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主委您當時是民進黨原住民事務部的主任你說國民黨政府所提出的這個原住民的自治是鳥籠自治那請問一下你擔任原民會的主委八年了你卻連一個鳥籠自治都提不出來那豈不是變成原住民之狼了因為騙我們的原住民已經騙了八年 |
| transcript.whisperx[312].start |
9383.24 |
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現在任期剩沒幾天了請問一下你有辦法在這個任期之內提出原住民自治法嗎?原住民族語言發展在馬政府的時候都沒有辦法通過當時沒有通過剛剛有提出來是當時的民進黨的主席蔡英文不通過 |
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我講的是原住民族語言發展法不是自治法我現在跟您提的是原住民自治法我沒有再跟你提原住民語言發展法主委我想請教您就是原住民自治法你沒有提出版本但是有幾個計劃就是有剽竊其他原住民立委的成果第一個就是原住民保留地的禁法補償條例這個法案是高經召委 |
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| transcript.whisperx[314].end |
9441.842 |
| transcript.whisperx[314].text |
還有已故的簡東明委員、孔文吉委員主推你擔任民進黨原住民事務部主任時還認為這個是乾坑法案現在原民會竟然拿這個來當作自己的政績你這樣的做法對得起高津趙偉對得起已故的簡東明委員嗎我想我從來沒有剽竊過這個進法補償這樣的一個說法我過去都也都公開講 |
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這個進法補償是在馬政府最後一年的時候通過的那現在你們的報告裡是有這樣的一個政績跟委員報告我們後來又修了進法補償條例因為時間的關係最後請召委再給我兩分鐘的時間就是我們現在來探討幾個標案就原民會有一個標案是原住民族委員會八年的施政成果專刊112年原絕調金額是112萬今年 |
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一月又有一個變更期約,決標金額是43.3萬,兩個加起來是155.3萬,這個刊物主要是想紀念什麼?施政成果不是每年都有報告,為什麼還要統整8年做一份成果報告?這是我們原民會歷年從畫家是第一任開始到現在都有這樣的一個成果報告,不是我們原民會這個時候才做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[317].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[317].end |
9526.507 |
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二十七年前華族委擔任的時候我可以把這個資料提供所以說主委您的意思就是每一年都有這樣子的一個成果展是嗎那我再請教你一下喔上面那樣這個標案還不是最誇張你知道原民會還有一個特別的勞務彩標案是一將拔落而主委成果專刊嗎 |
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這個決標金額是145萬已經決標了都已經有8年的成果的專刊為什麼還要為你自己出一份自己個人的畢業專刊?跟委員報告齁在我之前的林將一主委也有出版還有孫大川主委也出版過所以我不是第一次所以您的意思就是說每一個主委都應該在卸任前要出一個自己的一個個人刊物不是不是自己的 |
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然後來浪費公帑然後為自己的形象來這個做這樣的專刊嗎本席是認為這樣子其實都在浪費人民的公帑你既然你這樣一個8年的成果展不該再為自己出一個專刊所以主席是認為原民會的主委利用政府做這樣子的公帑我覺得實在是非常離譜啊以上我的質詢到這邊結束謝謝謝謝趙偉讓其他的國家也多多多唱好謝謝徐宇貞委員的質詢謝謝謝謝一將主委 |
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對於原住民進法補償,我們會提高金額。昭緯我在15號有會派,也希望主委能夠支持。謝謝。好,繼續我們請吳啟明委員來質詢。好,昭緯。好,請我們原住民主委。請一將主委。 |
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9615.475 |
| transcript.whisperx[321].end |
9632.567 |
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委員好 主委好 主委針對我們今天首排的議程本席比較關心的就是我們海保法的審查我們的主任對我們的海保法有的還不是很清楚 |
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9633.147 |
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9659.077 |
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那我們的高軍我們的召委也非常的重視尤其我們原住民的權益在審查之前我們也要再辦公聽會那我也要請主委這邊在公聽會上也要多跟我們主任的做一個先導還有溝通那也是我們就近期就會排了吧那是不是主委這邊有什麼說法 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].start |
9662.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].end |
9678.524 |
| transcript.whisperx[323].text |
我想我們會針對海洋保育法的修法關於原住民的部分我們會做很明確的主張跟建議讓整個海保法會也兼顧到原住民的這個傳統的魚撈文化跟傳統海域的這個潛力 |
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9701.728 |
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對,這是我們原住民的權益我們一定要保障嘛那本期在內政委員會我對原住民都是非常的注重所以我過去曾經爭取了不管我們原住民的經費也好原住民的權益、原住民的交易我都是極力來推動那我之前爭取我們山英部落1438萬的經費就是設置一個聚會所還有無線的網路的建置 |
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那在疫情期間因為我們很多原住民的朋友也沒辦法說到外面所以透過這無線的網路的建置那我本席比較關心的就整體的全章工程在109年10月完工距離已經5年左右那目前的執行的成效為何那請主委來做說明 |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[326].text |
最新的進度關於無限寬頻的部分提供給當地居民使用的我們在2019年7月28號就已經完成了包括委員一直關心的部落基會所比這個更早使用所以現在目前這個設施都有充分的讓我們部落來做使用 |
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| transcript.whisperx[327].text |
所以在這幾年我們原民會對我們原住民的族人真的也是滿照顧的所以當初我們在推動山林部落當時還遇到很多的阻力然後我們還是一一的排除那現在整個部落 |
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我們跟主委我們都有到現場去看那整個環境真的是一個在北大特區那個附近算是一個非常好的一個社區這就是我們的成效對我們原住民的照顧那本期比較關心的就是我們原住民的實驗教育那從過去105年我們的校數現在已經成長了8倍補助經費 |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[329].text |
原住民的文化更加穩定成長本席 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].start |
9820.171 |
| transcript.whisperx[330].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[330].text |
這個部分我們會持續跟教育部還有我們地方的教育警怎麼樣讓 |
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9848.447 |
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原住民具有私資經用資格的可以優先在原住民族的實驗學校原住民族地區的學校來擔任老師這樣的話對原住民的教育會有更大的幫助對因為我們要如何來鼓勵我們原住民培育我們原住民整個我們的私資的提升這樣才有實質的幫助那 |
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| transcript.whisperx[332].end |
9905.715 |
| transcript.whisperx[332].text |
本席這邊對於原住民的語言的自知補治目前我們原住民推廣行銷的保存7年來抑制了2億6千275萬每年編列還是逐年的增加原住民的語言考試在報考人士已經通過人士不但沒有提升反而下降 |
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| transcript.whisperx[333].end |
9926.5 |
| transcript.whisperx[333].text |
足以認證的考試部分應該是怎樣來做先導怎樣來做宣傳獎勵制度是不是能來提升有個誘因讓我們原住民的語言認證能夠來提升這是我們諸位請你回答一下 |
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| transcript.whisperx[334].text |
根本包括那個人口減少那個部分應該是要這樣看那個數字因為以前的足以認證是國中生才開始考那這幾年開放國小就開始考足以認證所以國小已經考取足以認證初級的 |
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國中就不用再報名所以會有減少這個狀況至於獎勵的部分我們現在只要取得主委認證的我們都有一些相關的獎勵包括考上中高級、高級、優級的部分我們都有獎勵金甚至 |
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| transcript.whisperx[336].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[336].text |
我們對很多原住民的基層的工作人員他會想族語的話我們還有族語家籍來作為鼓勵他們的一個學族語的一個很好的獎勵方式 |
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因為我們原民會我們原住民民主的工作權的保障法那從我們90年11月31號經總統公告實施在104年的2月4號除了配合行政院的自治改造現在我們的原民會 |
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| transcript.whisperx[338].end |
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我們所本席這邊所得到的資料我們原住民的失業率從90年14.86%現在已經降為大概111年已經降為3.66%這顯示我們在推動這成效真的是不錯那是我們原住民的工作 |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[339].text |
原住民自治法及都市原住民自治法及都市原住民自治法及都市 |
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| transcript.whisperx[340].end |
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那是不是也鼓勵我們原住民能出來工作的媒合這是應該我們原民會要去做的 |
| transcript.whisperx[341].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[341].text |
委員跟委員報告我們這個送給大宴的這個工作人員保障法在公部門的部分我們希望不是過去是只禁用到這個業務人員這個部分所以他的薪資沒有辦法提高所以我們新的工作人員保障法修正案就是我們希望正式考試的這個比例在各部會都禁用不是只有在研民會那這樣的話他們才有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[342].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[342].text |
增加薪資提高的部分民間的部分是我們鼓勵民間經用更多的原住民然後他們在做政府採購的時候有經用原住民達到一定比例的這些民間企業他們的整個評選的項目會增加5分所以這個是我們整個配套來提升原住民就業率很重要的修法方向 |
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| transcript.whisperx[343].text |
也希望我們大院可以支持這個工作局綁架法可以早日來通過好的對於我們原住民我們民間企業是1%那現在我看我們人民會也要把它提高為1.5%那最主要是我們原住民他們的工作有的原住民有的都不 |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[344].text |
不想去從事個別的行業那造成這個行業也是一個空洞那未來我們還是要怎樣去磨合在我們原住民裡面的工作前我們要去磨合我們原住民跟企業的一個平台這是我們原民會要做的事情 |
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| transcript.whisperx[345].end |
10182.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[345].text |
委員我想這個部分我們院辦已經在大宴這裡做排審希望未來各個委員有寶貴的意見還有更好的經濟方式的話我們都尊重只要大宴達成共識也符合民間企業的期待的話我們都希望可以讓原住民有更好的這個就業環境對因為我們是要保障原住民的工作錢謝謝委員這麼關心原住民的工作 |
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10184.95 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].end |
10191.033 |
| transcript.whisperx[346].text |
好,謝謝吳祈明召委員,謝謝,謝謝一將主委,謝謝。繼續我們請徐欣穎委員來質詢。主席好,本席請一將主委。也請一將主委。 |
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首先本席想說明今天本席有五個提案五個臨時提案那希望主委這裡能夠全力的來為我們原住民朋友來努力首先第一個我們希望能夠請原民會能夠全面來盤點檢討我們全台各部落殯葬 |
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這個需求和公募用地、協調政府相關單位來爭取撥用公有地為公募用地、修正相關的法規來應各部落殯葬的需求。本席說明一下我們今天這五個提案因為我們新竹縣也有兩個原住民的鄉鎮 |
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我們都是依據我們原住民朋友我們的鄉親提出來的需求我特別在這裡提出那也非常感謝我們高金召委今天能夠排這樣的一個會議那第二個就是我們希望能夠徹底盤點我們全台無法供應自來水的部落用戶數以及他的問題所在 |
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我們希望能夠現期提出解決方案當然這個剛剛有提到就是說要會同經濟部本席是認同的這個文字做個修改那合一來共同管理的機制修建簡易自來水設施農業用水申請登記水權用地等等我們希望這個原住民族的自來水的部分也能夠逐步的來加強 |
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再來就是有關原住民部落我們農業的改革實踐與山為伍以山為師近山的精神我們緊扣三生資源永續平衡發展以達人與自然環境和諧共存為目標這第3個第4個我們也希望能夠盤點我們各部落的醫療資源 |
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還有無障礙通行、治安等需求來落實部落整體的發展以及基本生活的權益這第四個第五個就是希望能夠落實這個實農教育和農事體驗的結合融入鄉內國中小學校定課程來增進部落孩子們跨領域的能力來培養農事耕作以及管理能力並且對我們偏鄉部落的 |
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央廚衛生安全和品質特別予以注意請問主委可以嗎徐委員很謝謝你雖然不是原住民選出來的委員因為你那個服務地區剛好有兩個原鄉提出這麼寶貴的這個提案我想只要可情的我們都會全力來落實給你的提案 |
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太好了那接著本席想要請教主委有關我們這個原住民學校法的立法原住民族學校法的立法目前好像都沒有確立這個主管機關 |
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那如果沒有主管機關我們這個原住民族學校法呢就沒有一個主管機關來訂定法律然後也沒有法源的依據所以現在我們有實施這個原住民學校的實驗教育已經實施8年了那還有4年你們有要12年的實驗教育嘛所以這個目前實驗學校推動的情況如何 |
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目前大部分大概最久的已經推到8年沒有說但是有的是才推動兩年三年的部分我們有一些相關的成果您覺得成效如何當然是成效是一定有的因為它對原住民的文化傳承包括語言的傳承都有很大的幫助包括原住民的傳統知識的傳承都有很大的幫助 |
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我們也看到我們原住民朋友我們希望在這個實驗學校能夠幫助我們原住民朋友的適性的發展因為我們看到原住民朋友在這個唱歌舞蹈甚至體育方面都有非常非常過人傑出的表現 |
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那代表我們臺灣呢參加這個世界級的比賽可以說真的的臺灣之光所以我們希望在這個原住民學校實驗學校的部分我們能夠加強這個適性的發展同時提供給他們足夠的資源這個部分主委您是不是有在落實或是您有沒有什麼比較自豪的做法在這一方面這部分跟委員報告我們在 |
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原住民的教育裡面我們跟教育部有很好的分工就是一般教育的部分就是國民教育的部分是教育部來主政那民主教育的部分呢就是由原民會協同教育部在學校端來做落實 |
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這個部分不管是在體育在業務或是在文化跟各個方面的整個人才培育我們都會跟交易部一起來共同合作來做達成除了這個適性發展之外本席看到您今天的報告裡面有寫到 |
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我們在台中的實驗學校他們的學習成果包含他們的一些數理方面的成果我看到你們寫說它平均還高於我們台中市甚至全國的標準這點本席看了覺得你們的成果非常的好這個部分你是不是也可以跟大家來說明一下 |
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的確剛開始對實驗學校家長本來還有很多餘力但是剛剛委員提到臺中博馬國小那個部分那個比利亞部校長他們推廣了一段時間以後他們做統計原來不會因為實驗學校讓他們的數學讓他們的英文讓他們的國語而會更 |
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新竹縣有5所 |
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那這五所本席有稍微去了解一下是不是在這個新竹縣的部分可以加強這一塊因為本席聽到的是在新竹縣的部分可能適性發展歌唱舞蹈的比例非常的高但是他們在一些基本的學科的部分是不是也不要偏廢這一塊本席特別提出來希望這個主委你們這裡在實施的時候也能夠特別注意 |
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那再來本席也想提一下都市原住民的議題從我們到去年以及去年底的人口統計我們現在都市原住民的人數已經達到所有原住民人口應該有 |
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一半以上所以都市原住民的權益我們也希望主委這裡能夠來為我們原住民都市原住民來加強首先第一個是保障他的居住權的部分那像現在很多縣市都有在 |
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辦理這個社會住宅的部分?我不知道原民會這裡為我們都市原住民的這個爭取他爭取以及保障他居住權的部分您覺得績效如何?還有你們有什麼具體的的做法? |
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我們社會住宅跟內政部的整個分工裡面都有充分的合作你跟內政部分工真的就不用講你針對這一塊你的績效怎麼樣目前像我們進駐到社會住宅的這個家戶有9000多戶 |
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所以都陸續有在協助就對有都有都有包括利息的補貼租金補貼這一塊你們都有在在協助我們原住民朋友對我們做分工就是利息補貼是內政部但是建構的就是房子要修繕或者是要買房子的這個部分 |
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這裏的補助是原民會來做補助我們都有這樣的一個分工那除了居住權以外我們都市原住民很重要的就是剛剛我們很多委員都提到就是他們的就業職能發展以及生涯規劃的部分那他們的工作的部分我們是不是在這個都市原住民這個部分能夠做更多相關的一個輔導這一塊 |
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所以委員也特別拜託委員我們現在我們一直有一個工作前保障法原住民的部分已經很多年沒有修了請您簡達好不好因為我時間已經快沒了對這個工作前保障法修了以後就解決了很多原住民就業的問題 |
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這就是希望大家來支持嘛那最後本席問的最後一個問題就是有關原住民族自治的模式主委您看究竟要不要推動立法你的態度是要推不推就這樣簡達就好我剩下30秒我是主張採取分流立法來推比較可能有進度 |
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對,所以您覺得可以持續推動但是用分流立法的方式嗎?對,而且按照各個族群的需求來分流立法更可行因為每個族群的需求會不太一樣那但是現在 |
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目前好像只限於太魯閣、魯凱、亞美、卑南等族的討論,那其他族呢?我們都樂意提供相關的補助,讓其他族也一起來建構他們實際需要的,比如說像委員跟地方。那你分流立法你覺得什麼時候才能完成呢? |
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如果該族群已經達成共識的我們就可以把相關的法案提出來那像這個部分有跟行政院以及各部會溝通它的可能性、可行性還有其成嗎我們就是希望炒分流立法以後才會有這樣一個補助下行那有沒有規劃其成就是由下而上達到那個自治的目標才可行 |
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謝謝學信委員的質詢 |
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以將主委的剛回應讓我們有點失望原住民的元運的大前輩自治法是您當時領頭希望我們要闖全沖的結果你現在告訴我們要分流立法這讓我們有點失望謝謝繼續我們請牛喜廷委員來質詢謝謝順便說明一下我們在黃婕委員質詢結束我們處理臨時提案謝謝 |
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主委有請有請一將主委 |
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主委辛苦了我們今天有三個大的題目就叫主委這裡第一個問題內政委員會在3月4號我們安排金門撞船案的專案報告當初海委會的主委管碧玲女士傳簡訊希望高金素美委員可以更改專報名稱 |
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這其中簡訊的內容我認為是非常有爭議的因為它講說原住民在我們海巡服務的佔的比例非常的高我會特別要求注意升遷上的拔佐那我們的高金委員當然就覺得說好像要用原住民的升遷來交換他改變專案報告的名稱覺得是非常糟糕的一件事覺得受到了侮辱那請問主委這個原住民職員的升遷這樣的事情是應該要被特別強調的嗎 |
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呃當然各部會多多禁用原住民我們是樂觀其成阿對啊但是把這個東西拿出來講是好的嗎看是在什麼樣的場合來提出來像剛剛我剛剛不是講場合這樣場合是適合的嗎我尊重官委員 官組委的說法阿你要尊重官委員的說法你確定嗎是你確定就這樣子回答齁你覺得原住民的身簽是可以拿來做利益交換或者是拿來當官員拿來當成對委員示好的工具嗎你同意這樣的說法嗎 |
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有沒有利益交換這個部分我不瞭解他這事情很清楚嘛這任何有看得懂這簡訊的內容這兩個嘛一個是希望透過這樣來達成報告交換的名稱第二個就是跟委員示好嘛不希望委員太生氣嘛就是這兩種可能啊你這樣還要尊重他的說法嗎我剛剛跟委員報告過了我們希望各部會多多禁用原住民的人才 |
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但你不對言論做任何評論是吧是好我再提醒你羅志強委員在3月6號在司法法治委員會的質詢的時候他質詢行政院的人事行政總處就講說這個人事身兼跟原民身份掛鉤的這樣的說法是不是好的說法人事長蘇俊榮表示說我不會這樣說 |
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我再提醒你一個事這個我們的主委就是你啦這個宜將先生在當初這個2023年5月啊臺大歧視原住民的加分事件跟臺中一中校慶活動的攤位招牌事件因為都是對原住民有歧視性的言論這樣的事件之後你都曾經表示啊要消滅對原住民族的歧視要從學校教育跟社會教育做起 |
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主委我再問你一次你覺得剛剛那些簡訊用這樣的方式來講對原住民族來說是不是歧視你覺得這樣言論是否恰當請回答這個歧視的標準每個人的觀點不一樣那我就問你如果其他部會的官員當然會跟你聊天說我這個部會有特別注意原住民的身遷你作為原民會主委你會不會聽到這樣會不會覺得有一點點不舒服你覺得這樣是合適的嗎 |
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所以跟委員報告我剛剛一再主張說我們希望不管是民間跟各部會都禁用原住民的好人才禁不禁用跟有沒有這樣的言論是兩碼子事我們當然都同意要禁用本席更主張這沒有什麼好區分的有能力的人就是把左這是真正的平等可是問題是這樣子的言論出來的時候真的沒有不恰當嗎主委你覺得沒有不恰當嗎 |
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他的談話我不予評論不予評論是不是你曾經講過要用學校教育跟社會教育的方式來消除這個歧視性的言論這樣子的言論你覺得符不符合社會教育的精神你覺得這樣講大家都你沒有評論這是一個好的社會教育的示範嗎請回答我要講的是說我真的對於 |
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管主委跟我們高金委員的實際對話我瞭解的是非常有限的你瞭解的非常有限對對對那那就很危險啦這個是一個原住民族可能涉及歧視的問題啊我們的召委都覺得非常的不舒服覺得受到侮辱了結果你覺得跟你的業務範圍無關你瞭解有限這樣是一件好事嗎主委我的確是感覺到不太舒服我是指內容啊 |
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主委你真的這樣言論你有沒有跟管碧玲主委做一下溝通啊說這樣言論恐怕不太適合對原住民的情感可能造成傷害你有沒有講過類似的話因為這個部分是他跟高金委員的對話應該他要跟高金委員做妥適的說明才對 |
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我們今天特別專門有一個單位有一個組織去處理原住民族的事情就是希望這樣子少數族群在台灣的政治是可以被重視的歧視是可以被消弭的結果你作為這個單位的主觀你竟然說我們還是不要太多意見他自己要對自己言論負責這樣真的好嗎這樣真的適合嗎主委你自己好好想清楚 |
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最可怕的歧視就是不自知的歧視希望政府要帶頭做社會教育你若政府機關尤其是原住民的主管單位都沒有辦法為原住民族距離力爭的時候請問你有什麼道理跟大家講說你在做社會教育然後你要我們的社會大眾停止歧視原住民主委 |
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我再給你一次機會修正你的說法你覺得這樣的說法妥不妥當應不應該被糾正我們對於原住民主流社會怎麼樣正確認識原住民的部分我們這一段時間跟教育部都有很深切的檢討怎麼樣從教育端裡面讓大家更認識原住民更尊重原住民 |
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好吧你就繼續避重就輕啦反正你的一言一行就受社會公平啦這剛剛我們趙偉講說你是原住民運動的大前輩想想自己的初衷第二個問題這個原文會跟原語會的永久會址現在放在桃園領航站A17站現在工程的進度上有沒有任何的問題目前進度沒有遇到問題而且有本來議定進度是35%現在已經到40%了 |
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所以進度上沒有問題就對了我要提醒主委因為這幾年啊前面常常會做重大公共建設的時候常常會因為土地等等導致其實有些延宕加上這幾年原物料漲得非常厲害確定經費上是沒有任何的問題嗎有沒有膨脹有沒有補不上來問題需要中央多加挹注的你有沒有掌握這樣的問題跟狀況目前的整個 |
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工程的進度沒有遇到預算有需要增加的部分目前還沒有是不是大報的時候都有考量到本席嚴肅要求你們要主動監督進度跟桃園市政府做密切的配合他能夠順利把它走完當然我們樂觀其成但是如果有任何需要的時候我們希望中央來全力來支持我們不要讓這個 |
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好不容易因為前面一直用租的方式嘛好像就居無定所一樣很可惜好不容易找到永久會址啊本來應該2024年就要開工嘛稍微晚了一點點但你現在看起來有點超前我們希望把進度追上來如果經費跟什麼也不夠中央要大力依住可以嗎?可以好 第三個問題喔也是今天的最後一個問題喔這我們現在在推動族語的教育啊很多地方的時候要依靠現在用數位的方式處理叫族語醫樂園嘛 |
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主委你有沒有看過那個網站這個是我們原語會的網站原語會的網站對不對你交給這個原語會來處理對不對你這網站裡面當然就是所謂的九階教材然後每一階裡面大概有課程 |
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那地方很多我們現在做這個母語推廣很多族語的老師就用這個課程去上課但本期的了解啊是我們在實務執行的很多的族語老師是有反應的也就是說這教材很多地方跟他們實際上在做族語教學的時候是不太一樣的用語是不太一樣的這些教材可能是由學者專家所編撰但是實際上在使用者那個母語教學的時候他中間出現了落差他就覺得好像教材不正確或者是他不好用啊 |
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請問你們委員會有沒有針對這樣子的一些問題有沒有做彙整收集到多少紀錄這個部分我們的研議會針對足以一錐眼的使用各個族群各個老師提出的一些我們都會滾動修正包括他們對用語有不同的建議可行的話我們都會做調整對你現在回答是 |
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滾動式修正對不對但是主委我要提醒你啊主語老師遇到這個教材的這個問題的時候他大概就兩種方式因為我問嘛我說老師你上課跟教材好像不一樣那你要怎麼處理那老師講說我們唯一能做只有兩件事第一個就是打官方網站上面的電話直接打到原住民的語言研究發展基金會或者是北市大的這個主語數位中心啊就是承辦單位嘛外包的單位去做反應這一個另外一個他們直接當然就是找地方的 |
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現實政府的教育局來協助反映可是現實政府的教育局我也本席也去問過他講當然這個東西一到中央的時候中央會講這個跟鋼藥有關教育部的事情又搞不太清楚然後又一全責在中央地方的教育局也沒有辦法針對這件事情提供具體的協助那我現在就請問這個過去這一段時間比如過去一年 |
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或者是從這個族語醫樂園上路開始我們總共收到了多少陳情等於教材跟實務上使用有落差收到多少陳情大概問題是什麼你們做了哪些修正這個我知道因為這是很細節的東西你現在手上沒有帶資料但是你要把這資料調出來好不好收到多少陳情改變了進度為何那本席還在這邊要求就是說這個教材你也要有通盤檢討的機制 |
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如果說很多族語老師在上路之後他其實靈性的反應很有可能最後是不了了之啊因為就本席的了解地方的講說我講上去他們就講說好我會調整但最後也都沒有調整啊可是他們上族語課每個禮拜每個禮拜到不同的學校都在上課啊所以等你在上面這樣子慢慢慢慢調整下來搞不好一個學期都過了 |
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所以我是覺得這東西要有一個快速而且精準而且定期的通盤檢討不要讓這個足以一樂園好的政策下來不實用然後讓政策打分數扣分啦所以本席要求你就在兩個禮拜應該夠吧兩個禮拜把這個足以一樂園的這個檢討你收到多少訊息有沒有及時處理做一個簡單的書面報告讓我們內政委員會讓所有的原住民的立法委員都知道這件事情執行狀況可以嗎 |
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好謝謝委員這麼關心我們的足以推動這個資料我們會在期限內提供給委員做參考好辛苦了謝謝謝謝劉許廷委員的質詢這個馬耀國務董事長這的確是一個問題希望你們能夠了解然後提出具體的解決方法好不好謝謝繼續我們請丁學忠丁學忠丁學忠委員不在請黃婕委員質詢 |
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好謝謝主席我們請主委有請一將主委好主委好剛剛有一位委員有提到說你們辦這個專刊你們原民會有這個專刊是不是例行的公式我們從原民會成立以來都持續做這樣的一個怎麼樣讓主任知道原民會推動的成果的進度 |
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所以這個專刊不是為了你個人而辦嗎當然不是是嗎因為剛剛其實有提到說說什麼主委號大喜功覺得你是為了個人而辦我必須要講這個確實是例行的公事然後過去其實我有看到我是手上有這一本請問這個是什麼時期的專刊這本就是前主委林江一時代的專刊 |
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是的這個是前主委的時候時代的專科那這個專科我甚至看到他把他個人的照片放在上面那如果真的要這樣講是不是這個才叫做好大喜功他其實他裡面的內容都是在鼓勵原住民的公務員怎麼樣像他一樣這樣努力所以是有他的功能在裡面 |
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當然啦我們覺得這個專刊應該要辦也想也支持你們繼續用專刊讓大家來瞭解我們更多原民的事物但是如果真的要說這個專刊就是浩大喜功的話我認為把這個照片主委自己的照片放上去這個才叫做浩大喜功 |
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好再來講一下今天的重點喔第一個我想要請教一下主委這個原民補辦真話編的事情因為原民的土地正義我相信是非常多人都非常關心的那其實啊這些歷史不正義的事情已經討論很久很久了那也在非常多人的努力之下逐步有了一些成果 |
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那可是因為現在這個原民的增擴邊現在還是有一些就是法令上的問題就例如說其實在上一屆我們鎮院其實有把這個原民的土地的使用條例送進來但是因為屆期不連續的關係沒有辦法繼續審 |
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那我就希望藉這個機會來跟主委請教一下我們這一屆有沒有機會繼續把這個條例來通過呢可不可以請主委講一下你們現在目前的進度以及你們預期這一屆有沒有機會再來審查 |
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對,那個委員的質詢是我們原住民族保留地管理利用條例去年也送大宴是那因為沒有,已經送出委員會﹐沒錯政黨協商來說沒有完成是我們希望這個部分是最完備來處理原住民保留地的問題是比那個部分條文修正更能夠保障原住民的這個土地潛力 |
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好那我在這邊當然也是希望這個原民的保留地的管理利用條例我也是很希望這一屆可以繼續來審查是為什麼呢因為其實我舉一個例子就好了因為其實我過去在台大的時候其實都有收過一門課叫做森多蓋 |
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這個森多蓋就是森林多樣性的蓋論它都去哪裡考察呢?都是去我們台大的山地的實驗農林農場那包括梅峰、春陽、翠峰農場這些現在是目前都還是由台大來管理的公有土地對嗎?對 |
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那在這個其實這個案子裡面過去有發生過一件事情不知道族委知不知道有過去有一些族人也有跟台大之間有一些法律上的糾紛知道那這個案子當然是這樣因為其實2018年的時候台大有組成一個原住民土地正義的倡議跟調查小組那當時是因為呢就是我們還是希望說這些台大目前管的這些公有土地裡面其實有很大一部分 |
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都還是原住民族的傳統領域然後是有族人在那邊居住跟耕作的這個都是事實那可是因為歷史的緣故當初因為日本政府的掠奪然後透過一些不正義的手段交給臺北帝國大學當時的臺北帝國大學使用那後來輾轉了臺大就把它承襲了這一些土地那族人的土地就被迫流失了 |
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那在2014年的時候有一個在梅峰農場那時候有一個族人也想要透過這個補辦增化編的方式來把他的原住民保留地來取回希望自己可以在那邊長期居住這個使用的土地結果臺大反對然後還告他要求他拆屋還地有這樣的事情嗎 |
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的確有這樣的案例但是委員我們這幾年也有把相關的案例做一個整個檢討以後也把原住民的土地也逐步做一個解決最具體的例子是在花蓮萬隆有一個林田山的這個園區 |
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那那個本來原來是原住民的保留地後來變成國有地那現在又變回為保留地所以未來這個林田山會跟林務局跟當地的族人一起來共管這個林田山的這個園區是那當然我這就是希望我在這裡要要求我們園民會要堅守立場啦盡量都把這個園民的保留地可以在他們在這些不管是增辦還是擴辦的這一些的 |
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土地在你們協助這些族人的過程當中都可以讓他們順利因為像這種臺大的公有土地的管理機關他們之所以會刁難當然他們就覺得其實因為臺大是全臺灣最大的學校所以有很多很多的山地都目前都還是在他們的管轄範圍裡面那他們基於他們機關本位的立場都會希望說可以繼續保有這些土地然後不願意釋出所以這時候你們的角色就非常非常重要就是他們如果 |
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不同意然後也在複審的時候不斷的刁難那導致這些案件在送原民會審查的時候對你們來說也沒有辦法順利的去讓他們還給這些族人那我比較想要知道的是說現在因為其實這些公有的管理機關他們都還是有同意權是這樣子嗎 |
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對所以他們都還是有一定的決定權是那我覺得這就是接下來可以討論的就是他們的這個同意權到底是只有可以提供意見還是他們的意見也代表某種程度的決定這個部分遇到爭議的時候我們都會用協調的方式來做解決所以也不是完全沒有案例可以 |
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來去解決類似的問題所以剛剛委員提到那個臺大農場的部分我雖然是身為臺大畢業的學生我覺得這個土地的整個轉型正義的部分我們應該要很誠懇去面對沒錯包括像剛剛那個布農族的返還遺骨的部分都是我們一起要面對的這個轉型正義的問題 |
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好 謝謝主委那當然我的立場也跟你一樣啦雖然我們都是臺大的畢業生但我也不認為說臺大應該要這樣繼續在土地不正義的情況下繼續的佔有這些土地而是應該要透過這個協助族人還給他們土地的方式來進行那當然最後我也希望說這個原住民族的保留地管理利用條例可以在這個會期有順利的審查 |
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那還有一點時間我來請教一下我們原民會對於身份證單列族名的看法因為其實在今年1月的時候有7個成功的案例他們勝訴了那他們勝訴當然是帶來一個很好的消息就是讓大家知道說我們單列族名是可以的可惜現在內政部還不願意放行不知道說我們現在原民會的看法以及接下來有打算如何處理 |
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你這個問題剛好我們在上禮拜在行政院跟我們的內政部已經達成一個協商在姓名條例還沒有修法之前我們現在正在研擬一個解釋函意思就是說既然法院已經做出這樣的判決我們應該開放讓原住民可以單列用 |
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他們自己的書寫系統來恢復傳統名字這部分我們很快的跟內政部做一個協商就做一個函班所以會在最近就把你們修正過後的姓名條例我們先用函班的方式解釋令因為修法要花一段時間等姓名條例修完可能 |
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所以你們會請內政部發一個函式來承認這件事情?我們已經獲得行政院的指示希望我們跟內政部一起來共同面對這個問題好,那有機會就是在今年把這個單列族名的函式給發出來然後讓這件事情是被承認的嗎?我們會用盡快的速度把它完成 |
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感謝主委的承諾那我也希望看可不可以今年就讓這件事情成行因為今年的這個七個勝訴的例子確實是讓人蠻鼓舞的那我也不希望說我們行政機關只能讓這些族人痴痴的等待說每個人都要去透過行政訴訟的方式而是我們可以統一的來做一個解釋好嗎 |
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根據委員報告如果韓市令我們跟內政部達成共識的時候呢我也會很快的到副政事務所用單列我的名字我的名字就會比較短一點了不用寫兩個姓名好謝謝主委也期待說這個韓市令下來然後主委到時候也可以改名成功會我一定會改的好謝謝謝謝主委謝謝主席好謝謝委員好謝謝黃姐委員的質詢謝謝 |
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我們現在來處理臨時提案總共有五案請圈讀 |
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臨時提案 一有見全臺各部落殯葬公墓用地需求原請原住民族委員會與本院第11屆第二會期開議前全面盤點檢討全臺各部落殯葬需求與公墓用地寫條政府相關單位爭取撥用公有地為公墓用地修正墓地事業主管機關相關法規以應各部落殯葬之需並於下會期開議前向內政委員會提出書面報告提案人徐信穎委員等四人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[434].end |
12198.068 |
| transcript.whisperx[434].text |
一時提案二有見全臺各部落用水需求原請原民會協調經濟部會同該會與本院第11屆第二會期開議前徹底盤點全臺無法供應自來水的部落用戶數及問題所在提出限期解決方案 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].start |
12205.236 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].end |
12222.569 |
| transcript.whisperx[435].text |
如何依共同管理機制、修建簡易自來水設施及農業用地、申請登記水權用地、積極尋覓產學研、合作尋求其他儲水設施的可能及循環型農園等﹐並以本院下會期開議前向內政委員會提出書面報告﹐提案人委員徐新寅等4人。 |
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12223.71 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].end |
12246.221 |
| transcript.whisperx[436].text |
臨時提案三請人民會會同教育部落實實農教育與農事體驗結合並融入鄉內國中小學校定課程增進部落孩子們跨領域能力培養農事工作及管理能力並對偏鄉部落央處衛生安全與品質特與注意與本院下會期開議前鄉內政委員會提出書面報告提案人委員徐欣盈等四人 |
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臨時提案四為促進原住民部落農業改革實踐與山為伍以山為師近山精神緊扣三生資源永續平衡發展以達人與自然環境和諧共存為目標請人民會於下會期開議前完成下列具體落實方案並向內政委員會提出書面報告一盤臉各部落特色DNA |
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結合在地精神及青年文創透過有效的部落營造彰顯其價值同時建構前後山產業心臟地帶均衡發展以強化鄉內產業鏈結二、拓展友善耕作面積積積爭取農業資產各類機具等補助分擔農業生產成本並與各部落進行生態富裕致力於永續精品農業提案人委員徐欣穎等五人 |
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| transcript.whisperx[439].end |
12325.155 |
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臨時提案五為落實部落整體發展與基本生活權益請原民會會同目的事業主管機關於下會期開議前全面盤點各部落醫療資源無障礙通行治安等需求於下會期開議前完成具體落實方案如說明並向內政委員會提出書面報告說明一打造適合部落有礙無礙友善環境通販檢視並完善全鄉公共區域無障礙設施強化身障者家庭及社區生活支持 |
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二、一、各部落需求成立部落巡守隊,定時巡視部落以加強部落治安。三、積極爭取產官學研及民間跨域協力夥伴合作,應用科技補足原鄉醫療照護資源之窘境發展符合在地文化之創新健康照護模式。提案人徐信穎委員等五人。宣讀完畢。 |
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因為這個部會裡面已經同意有一些修正文字的部分所以我們五案就這樣通過好 謝謝繼續我們就請陳毅委員來質詢 |
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12393.124 |
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謝謝請那個宜將主委好也請宜將主委委員好 |
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呃主委好剛剛講到就是你們那個專刊是不是是好專刊說是例行的這個業務嗎吼但是我想剛剛前面黃婕委員也有稍微提到吼那那我再補充一下我想專刊雖然是例行例行的這個要編輯吼要出刊的這個專刊嗎吼但是我想這個 |
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主委在封面上絕對不是例行吧我印象中我從來沒有看到一將主委你有出現在原民會任何的刊物的這個封面上面有嗎你會在專刊的封面上嗎過去的主委有哪一位有在封面上嗎 |
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有的是沒有封面是沒有照片的有照片的對我剛剛看你們很多本嗎要不要拿起來晃一下我看你們很多本上面都是沒有沒有那個主委的這個預照嗎 |
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對不對我印象中印象中都沒有看到主委在有一將主委有出現在任何的專刊像這麼大一張而且上面還有很好的標題叫做傳奇原住民公務人員如果林江易主委有得到這樣的封號的時候請問一將主委你要叫什麼沒有你們應該沒有特別規劃去設計吧 |
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因為這個名稱我們還沒有定案 |
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還沒定案所以你還沒定案已經被拿出來編型了當然也謝謝剛剛比較前面的委員的關心跟指教但是我想這個要刮別人鬍子之前先把自己的鬍子刮乾淨他如果真的要關心是不是好大喜功是不是在做造神運動還是怎麼樣我覺得這一本請前面的委員好好參考一下國務委員我再補充說明一下我們 |
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我記得我們四年的專刊的照片我想起來我們是把很多小朋友唱原住民的歌謠的照片作為封面的是都市的原住民小朋友對啦但是就絕對沒有這樣子的獨照嘛我就沒有什麼印象啦我們應該都是合照比較多啦對啦有你的獨照我會很注意看啦但是沒有啊沒關係我不用獨照因為 |
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我沒有要選舉所以不用讀照反正因為我覺得一直講這個也很沒有營養我們講一點比較有營養的事情我想我要關心一下就是我們這個原保有地遭到佔用然後判決確定的這個事情 |
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主委,原保地依照目前的規定是可以有條件的情況下讓漢人租用但是在原保地遭佔用而且被提起訴訟的通常都是非常惡劣的使用行為對於這樣佔用的行為我是非常支持原民會可以訴諸法律讓法院來做公正的判決 |
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那不過現在現在的問題來了吼經過這個法院長時間的這個訴訟審理對於那些惡劣的佔用行為已經判決確定可是呢地方的代表會背個公所排除這個排除這個佔用的預算然後凍結你們給公所的經費我想請教一下主委像遇到這樣的問題的時候你們應該要怎麼因應的確有一些代表會來 |
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做這樣的一個處理但是我們會會調整那個補助的這個方式來做處理調整補助的方式就執行的方式執行的方式好那我們再看看怎麼調然後那依照這個原開辦法的第二條規定原保地的管理機關是原民會但是呢執行機關是這個鄉鎮市公所那執行 |
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機關如果沒有依照這個排除佔用的情況我覺得你們應該要有一套機制在本席的手上就有兩個陳情案件其實這個兩件陳情案件是法院已經判決確定的但是到公所他打死就是不執行這個排除佔用 |
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那我說的這兩個個案你們要好好處理以外同時呢本席也要求你們要建立一套機制不可以地方不依法行政的時候呢你們卻拿他們完全沒有辦法所以委員所以我們才會提出我們的原住民保留地管理條例從辦法提升為法律位階以後這些個案的部分就不會再發生了 |
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很可惜去年沒有完成三年我們就還在繼續努力主委如果沒有原住民使用公有的原保地而且那些公有原保地沒有公用用途的話我們都應該要輔導讓原住民取得所有權這是原保地的精神嗎那也是目前現行的規定對不對 |
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那四年前我有接到一個陳情案有一塊公有的原保地很大一塊那他使用的其中一部分還有很多的原住民也在使用那麼他從這個四年前就向公所申請這個公告分配那這塊土地不論是在中央或者是地方都沒有公共使用的任何規劃只因為這個鄉鎮長的個人喜好他就不想分配 |
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好所以讓這位法基他一直等等等等到後來怎麼樣一樣今年年初就去當天使了就往生了所以我想請教一下主委依照現行的辦法似乎這個鄉鎮市長如果沒有違反規定但是他們可以這樣子嗎可以嗎因為 |
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個案的部分我們要按照個案的狀況來做了解才可以找出解決的方式 |
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因為我辦公室接到這個陳情案件他申請了這個公告分配的土地他是現況使用人那他跟這塊土地也有使用的淵源可是呢卻因為鄉鎮市長的個人喜好那他就不想分配就是不分配所以呢通常很多遇到他們這個首長想要分配給誰他就分配給誰 |
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所以這個就是一個很大的問題那我講這個個案他申請了很多年至少在我辦公室我們持續在追蹤就已經追蹤了4年了那針對這樣的問題主委你認為怎麼樣可以積極來解決 |
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以現行的法例授權大概族人只能走行政救濟就是把個案如果說有這個個案的話請委員提供給我們後期做一個處理做一個行政救濟因為已經過了四年那也就希望主委可以用力的幫幫忙那目前這個管理原保地的這個是原民會圖管處那真正編制的人力相當小 |
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我們看一下這個表雖然這個補助縣市政府、鄉鎮、市公所的聘用人力但是這個地方政府的聘用人力經常都是鄉鎮、市公所安插的人馬不只是在專業上有問題有時候甚至這個態度上可能也不一定會符合大家的期待甚至還有經常被更換的情形導致業務都沒有辦法順利的辦理那 |
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申請增化編原保地的案件動輒都需要好幾年才會完成嗎?那就連說我們辦公室關切的案件有時候也都起碼平均要到一年半到兩年才能完成加上公所承辦人又經常更換所以原保地的業務就遲遲無法順利那如果原民會土管處改為土地管理署 |
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可以向國產署在各地有設置這個直屬的人力那人力在所需的經費上目前原民會圖管處的經費在差不多就是你們目前常態性預算大概一億元那就是說如果 |
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為求這個原保地各項業務可以順利的運作跟推展成立土管署土地管理署可能是最好的方式而且這樣也不會去影響漢人的權利那漢人立委的反對力道應該就會比較小那質詢在大家可以看一下看一下就是我們這個表就是比較一下 |
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比較一下你們看這個園民會園民會 |
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你們管理的土地面積有26萬公頃那國產署有23萬公頃那林務局150萬公頃可是那個組織的編制原民會就28人嘛林務局2500人然後國產署800人哇你們這個一人抵千人用所以平均下來看一下原民會就是一個人平均要管理將近1萬公頃 |
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原住民發展條例立法推動歷程 |
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結束之前你們是不是就針對本席提的建議成立這個圖管署來就是好好算一下經費包括你們補助給這個鄉鎮公所的你們大概算一下然後來好好評估計劃寫一寫看看到底可不可行不然你看今天第一次把這個數據全部這樣子整理出來大家一目了然嗎來主委 |
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好這個部分我們來做後續的評估可行性好謝謝那個不好意思那個招委是不是容許我再多問一個問題就好了阿您請坐先休息齁好那個我請那個歐斯董事長請什麼董事長 |
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原民台過去承辦多少次的原住民立委選舉公辦政見發表會? |
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我們的統計是報告有10次10次有這麼多立委的公辦我們4年才選一次你們有到4次還10次嚇死我了那時候你們都還沒成立來那一般每一次立委選舉甚至總統選舉通常正常會有幾次的政見發表會一般正常常態正常啊公辦跟政見發表會 |
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公辦政見發表會通常大部分就一次啊你不要亂講什麼叫通常還有什麼的那這一屆原住民立委選舉為什麼原民台辦了兩次這樣合理嗎你要不要說明一下 |
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因為公辦我們中央選舉委員會委託我們那為了要達到服務族人所以我們自辦一次這樣這邊是好就是一次就是中選會給你們原民台經費委託給你們辦理那第二次你們要服務族人那你們是自己辦還是委外辦一個我們自己電視台電視台辦嗯 |
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你們是自辦還是委外辦理?你講清楚喔我請執行長再做個報告委員有關自辦的部分是部分我們自己辦但是有一些部分像因為那個攝影棚我們沒有攝影棚所以我們是租中式的那個攝影棚只有這個樣子反正就是也是委外嘛因為我們接到有時候接到一些電話也是你們委外的人啊 |
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所以我想是這樣子啦因為原民台你們過去承辦多次的這個立委選舉的政見發表會表示你們是有能力自己辦理的而且呢現在通訊什麼都很發達那你也可以要服務族人你也可以透過網路可以透過很多的形式那也可以重播 |
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不管是LINE轉傳還是還是這個FB通通都可以那你說要服務族人但是一樣的一樣的這個候選人一樣的政見發表會但是我們你們讓這個候選人也疲於奔命然後花了兩次的錢辦理了兩次 |
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所以我覺得這個也是一個很奇妙就是說我不知道你們為什麼要這樣子處理那你這個招標的你們這個委外的程序是什麼是你們公開招標還是你們去指定 |
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這個程序我們都是公開的但是我們因為我們都通常都是就地因為我們是租中式的場地那就近會比較進行會比較順利所以我們在程序上我們都是按照政府採購法來進行 |
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對阿我想程序上一定一定一定會把它弄到沒有什麼問題我也不是說去質疑什麼只是覺得好奇就是說為什麼一個政見發表會要去辦要去辦理兩次那我也是 董事長是不是私底下去跟陳映委員做個說明跟報告好嗎陳映委員不好意思因為時間已經給您 |
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對啦 謝謝昭緯啦我本來想說可以跟昭緯一樣把問題問完這樣子啦因為我只關心你問的問題是一樣的問題他們也回答你一樣的問題對啊 就是那個公開招標的問題沒有人 不是公開招標是政見發表會為什麼要兩次沒有給我一個合理的解釋你說要服務族人但是我覺得這個理由也是很牽強嘛 |
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阿你們這個辦理的過程也是很奇怪阿就一定要麻煩去跟陳映委員趕快做一個說明好不好因為我下次還是會繼續再問阿你們知道你們講出一個很合理的理由嘛怎麼樣做都是服務族人我覺得很奇怪那你下次會不會有三次還是四次五次要服務族人要不要辦個五次更好 |
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蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員蘇清泉委員不在林德福委員林德福委員林德福委員不在洪孟凱洪孟凱洪孟凱委員不在吳立華委員質詢謝謝 |
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謝謝主席有請一將主委有請一將主委 |
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三月一號的時候我有做院會總質詢那個時候有去做一些要求第一個就是我希望部落工法人的法制化期程原民會可以在一個月內來做一個說明 |
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另外呢我針對原住民族學校原專班原住民大學我說教育部跟園民會要有一個上位的思考要有一個規劃也希望呢把一個月之內提出來但是因為我都還沒有看到所以我想說什麼時候可以提出如果不行的話就盡快提出希望可以到辦公室討論一下 |
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請兩位處長簡單的跟委員做一個報告好 謝謝跟委員報告有關原住民族學校跟原住民族大學甚至是原專班的規劃那我們現在其實也透過國教院這邊來已經合作了有關課程剛要發展的計劃那這部分我們會在一個月內我們再來把相關資料再彙整就再一個月就對了 對對對好 謝謝好 |
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那部落公法人法治法其成部落公法人的部分我們也在一個月內提供給委員好 謝謝齁那在當時我其實也針對那個進法補償的部分齁有再一次的請教院長跟主委因為其實我在上一屆 |
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其實也有在總諮詢問過那這個部分大家都很關心的原因不是因為原住民要把淨法補償金提高而且實在是因為我們目前大家所關心的探權、探定價它其實在未來是一個趨勢而且目前雖然沒有把原住民加入但是我們會不斷的質詢 |
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原住民自治法及都市原住民發展條例 |
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所以這個部分其實都會去牽動到我們大家對於淨法補償金每一年一公頃還在維持3萬元這個部分會去應該要去做一個橫評所以我就是想要了解一下院版什麼時候提出來 |
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目前還沒有做最後的共識所以還沒有定出提出的事情很久了捏院長也答應兩次了捏對是那我們會那個儘速來把查案再領出來 |
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還是要快點進速到辦公室跟我報告也沒有關係好不好好謝謝那今天謝謝趙偉他其實把我們很關心很重要的很多議題列出了15個議題那其實我也都覺得很關心但是礙於時間的關係所以沒有辦法每一題都問到但是我還是在這邊盡量的來請教求教一下 |
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第一個部分現在大家最關心的就是國土計劃我自己在兩個禮拜前也特別有在內政委員會針對那時候國土署跟原民會我有要求國土署要趕快把原住民土地管制規則要給他公告因為你們是何屬公告 |
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阿我也知道你們被這樣子來來回回四次嘛阿這個東西沒有出來我就說你去辦那些部落溝通說明會是沒有用的整個我們的原住民都在傳阿未來上路會怎樣阿滅族阿結果上個禮拜很謝謝你們已經有辦了第一場的土地使用規則的說明會你看果不其然辦完了之後聲音消滅很多就是要盡量公開透明齁但是我還是有幾個要求 |
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就是這個表格我希望齁這個各項的功能分區是不是有容許的使用項目要不要把它列清楚委員這個部分我們會 |
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公告的時間我們設立在一定會在國土計畫上午之前就會公告這個規定原先預定是今年113年1月對其實都已經覺得很慢我原先之前是希望說在去年配合部落溝通卻要出來但是你們已經定113年1月那也沒辦法可是如果說要等到明年4月以前出來這樣子太慢了 |
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那主委我跟您說我之所以覺得要提醒你們那個容許使用項目是因為很多人他其實還是會去問啊國保一國保二能不能經營小型露營場啊我在農事啊我能不能經營小吃店零售店啊 |
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那甚至是很多人會想說那這個功能分區我分在哪裡會不會對我未來的進法補償會有影響啊我希望可以用更淺白的方式把它盤點出來讓我們的族人可以更清楚國土計畫跟原住民土地使用規則對我們的一個影響那我也要提醒喔有一個你們也要盤喔 |
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像我們有很多如果明年4月如期上路不是大家都要開始可以去申請使用的合法的一個用地取得之後的申請建造實照嗎要跟縣市政府申請喔可是主委我要提醒其實我們有很多國軍的用地像是他會限建限高 |
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那到時候呢他要去蓋房子他要去申請因為大家都知道我要去跟縣市政府申請合法的使用申請的使用執照建築執照喔這些應該都會被拒絕喔你們要去盤像我知道的是很多地方像那個春日來義光是受到那個戰備跑道的那個什麼炮擊的那個他影響的範圍就有9個部落喔 |
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我是認為這九個部落到縣政府申請都會沒有辦法拿到我們所謂的上路的建造這些所以這個我就希望說是不是一個月內還是麻煩原民會盤點一下有哪一些地方我們是遺漏掉的因為這些族人他其實對自身的權益他不清楚不了解但是我覺得原民會作為我們的父母一定要在我們的前面就要先掌握到好不好 |
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另外一個部分我有看到業報說有9個公所在112年沒有提出這個什麼棄燃費做的這個部落養護道路的這個補助可以公佈一下是哪9個嗎這個細節是不是我們請處長跟委員說明報告委員大概9個部落主要包括 |
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去年的烏蘭像烏蘭它是都是都市計劃區像蘭嶼它整個都環島公路那像魚池鄉因為它部落範圍很小所以它沒有聯絡道路類似這樣子我目前舉例三個那我們後面會後會有 |
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主委長是這樣我記得我在110年11月的質詢的時候像交通部還有後來的原民會我都有提到呢我說這筆錢得來不易啊那我是希望說不要用計劃式的申請 |
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我記得交通部長也好原民會也好你們都有答應我說要召集所有的原鄉來開會應該是按照他的公理數去做基準來分配所以我今天看到這樣子我就覺得有點驚訝表示說雖然在質詢台上這樣子答應我們可是好像事後也不是這麼做 |
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報告委員的確我們當初請所有鄉鎮公所提出申請我們並沒有排除只是他申請的需求是最後只有只有40幾個鄉鎮他提出來說他有這個經費需求我想我們還是回復到就是有沒有找各鄉來 |
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有有所以他們都沒有意見用計畫提報方式對確定他沒有需求都有公文回覆給我們所以說我們是最後我們盤點最後只有45個鄉鎮其實這筆錢得來不易而且很重要我不太能夠想像說為什麼會有鄉公所會不需要 |
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因為我們補助的範圍就是部落聯絡的公路系統那屬非屬編號道路沒關係那再給我一個報告好不好好謝謝那另外就是有提到這個所謂的基本設施維持費因為已經在112年度去做修正很好因為已經改成負面表列就是說只要不能用在什麼就可以其他通通都可以那我是知道說有的鄉公所有跟我抱怨 |
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那時候去年加薪的那個4%原本應該是要用公務預算來編列可是卻要求他們用基本設施維持費去處理那以後都要這樣子嗎因為那個其實錢也不多而且對鄉公所來講這筆錢很好用因為它致用的範圍很廣所以我想說這個部分沒關係會後再做報告好了那我在這邊也要請教一下那個食農教育的部分 |
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因為我知道的是我們很希望部落的文件站、學校都能夠吃到在地的這一些我們種的小米啊或者是我們養的這些雞鴨嘛那所以要去想辦法取得三張EQ可是我知道的是我們因為很多的地都是林地所以根本沒有辦法取得那個三張EQ啊還有發票啊、收據啊都很困難所以我不曉得說我們原民會了不了解 |
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真的很多人取得三張EQ嗎?他們這些農產品都可以進入到採購市場嗎?我們現在有200個團體原住民的團體他們的東西都可以進入到採購市場三張EQ那我想這個部分我是希望要再去輔導 |
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因為有的是因為林地真的沒有辦法取得這個會限制我們的原青返鄉那我是希望說針對一些林下畜牧林下友善的部分還是要另外去做標章處理好不好好OK |
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好那因為時間的關係還有很多問題要問我後面再用書面來那個好謝謝主席謝謝主委好謝謝吳立華委員的質詢在這裡跟吳委員說明也提醒一下主委我4月15號就會排進法補償了我們不等行政院版本因為其實只有一條的修正就是目前的3萬塊我們修訂增加為5萬塊所以也希望民進黨的委員能夠支持 |
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我們希望在這個會期裡面能夠讓他三讀通過,好嗎?謝謝。好,繼續我們請楊瓊英、楊瓊英、楊瓊英委員不在、林倩琦委員質詢。有請一將主委。 |
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在2011年我們在新北市有機會雖然不是一起共事可是一起推動公共事務那我記得您跟當時的朱市長說您很高興在所有的局處裡面他用了一個原住民在非原民的單位 |
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所以你對他表示肯定那所以在當時我對你也非常的敬佩一直到今天所以對於原住民的事務我們當然有這個責任來讓他推動得更好所以我今天的整個質詢有一些是問題那有一些是建議那我期待我們在一個理性的空間讓原住民的事務能夠因為我們有一些歷史上的轉變好那我可以請你用非常 |
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精準跟很短的時間可不可以跟本席分享一下在都會原住民的這個部分會裡面現在最引以為豪或者是認為做得很不錯的一些項目我覺得最 |
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改變最大的是我們把過去長期視為違建的地方不管在新北市、在桃園、在台中都已經把它變成一個永續家園這個部分也謝謝這幾年來大宴給我們的預算的支持所以做大幅的這個改變這個是最大的改變之一 |
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是那本席在這邊也跟會裡面做個建議這樣聽起來就是在原住民在都會裡面的空間過去從非法被稱為非法但是本席從來不用這個名詞我們就說如果我們靠近河濱就是河濱部落因為這個 |
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合法或非法其實是一個法律概念從文化的詮釋上是不一樣的那聽起來這樣子這些部落目前有了一些處理但是本席期待未來在這個都會原住民的部分可不可以有更多的都會原住民的空間從這都會原住民的空間來創造更多無形的價值 |
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所以我們從今年開始在推動這個族群主流化的公共空間在都市裡面我們編了第一期的預算是10億的費用來處理都市的原住民族可以使用的這個公共空間 |
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如果有這樣一個預算可不可以請貴會在一個禮拜之內跟本席報告一下目前這樣子一個計畫是如何推動的好嗎因為本席目前是住在都會那我大概就只有在選舉的時候會拿到貴黨那個候選人的一些文宣所以很期待能夠了解而且希望我們在都會原住民的這個部分也能夠有更多的著力 |
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本席在3月22號在院會質詢的時候跟陳院長談到了這個有關於長步道的這樣一個議題那院長這邊也表示認同所以我這邊有一些建議我們有沒有可能跟那個會裡面在兩週之內那是不是可以請會裡面聯合交通部還有觀光署 |
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14244.614 |
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14258.326 |
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跟林務局這些可能跟這個步道資源有關的相關部會我們來開個會然後針對這個所謂長步道的概念我們來做部會內外的一些規劃不知道這樣子可不可行 |
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14285.53 |
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可以,那我們等委員的通知那我們會請你來配合好的,那這主要是那個非動力的一些這個路道那我們期待在部落的這個部分能夠比較安全那另外也讓建走的人能夠進入到步道跟自行車也是一樣但是其中還有很重要一點就是這個部落的安全性那尤其像主委我們知道你是從玉里來的你一定知道上金針山的那條路 |
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14286.391 |
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14306.854 |
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那那個我想大家現在都訓練的非常那個速度非常快看到很快很快的車子的速度大家就會閃躲但那條路其實是非常危險的所以步道的安全然後跟步道內外的一個非動力路徑的一個建置那我們期待這個部分能夠一起來把它促成 |
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14307.395 |
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14335.241 |
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那我這邊有個口號可不可以請這個大會記錄一下就是活力台九縣然後原力台十一縣這個應該是很重要的原住民空間那那個客家客委會已經提出來這個浪漫台三縣了那我們應該在這個部分要有一些論述啊尤其是這個部分都是我們居住的空間所以這個我們在這個口號之下來建置 |
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14364.705 |
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很好的這個長步道讓大家來行走好不好好我想委員因為長期關心文化的議題會把活力抬九線嚴厲抬十一這個我覺得蠻有創意的是是是那我們就把這個名字定下來就宣告這樣一個空間文化權好嗎我們來努力好那另外第三個我想跟主委這邊請教一下在蔡總統所講的這個轉型正義我想了解一下這幾年原住民的部分我們做了些什麼 |
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我想用很短時間來說明可能很有限簡單講就是我覺得最大的突破是我們的語言也就是國家的語言像今天我可以在立法院用我的主義來報告在以前來講是不可能的還有我們的民主教育 |
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14385.295 |
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14402.163 |
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經過大宴的整個修法以後我們的整個建構原住民族知識體系這個部分讓我們未來朝向原住民學校這樣的方向這整個道路會慢慢往前進我想這部分是很重要的另外就是我覺得這幾年 |
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14403.584 |
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| transcript.whisperx[533].text |
其實本席參觀過那個人權博物館 |
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| transcript.whisperx[534].end |
14440.323 |
| transcript.whisperx[534].text |
那還參觀過目前很多的博物館那發現台流這件事情那想請這個主委有機會注意一下台流這件事其實在台流的一個推動當中原住民經常在這些博物館是沒有位子的比如說人權博物館其實最主要是美麗島事件 |
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雖然他是這樣一個場景但是他把人權全部涵蓋進來那我們在轉型正義裡面人權這個部分其實很多論述都沒有在被列入台流所以是不是請這個部分主委現在可不可以很謝謝委員提醒到未來我們研播館的整個新一階的過程當中也請委員多給我們指教 |
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那最後本席提一個建議本來在疫情期間很多部會都為了促進消費發送了很多相關的計畫裡面的一些某某卷這樣子那當時我也很期待看到原民會能夠有某一些這樣子的作為所以在當時應該體育署現在體育署發放了動資卷那文化部當時也發放了某一些卷 |
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結果疫情過後呢他就變成現在發放文化幣那文化幣的部分也沒有把原住民地區給涵蓋進去所以是不是請那個原民會來思考一下我們是不是發個 |
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原民幣或者是至少在文化幣裡面要有原住民的這一塊所以每次講台流雖然講得很大聲可是常常都忘記了這個土地的主人那我覺得這一點原民會要非常詳細的而且很仔細的去做一些觀察跟改進好嗎?好那最後還是用主委一句話 |
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我們一起把原名的事務做好,好嗎?我也很高興委員在這裡質詢我,就如同我當議員的時候來質詢你一樣,非常有意義。好,謝謝。好,謝謝林建勤委員,謝謝宜將主委。繼續請張家俊、張家俊、張家俊委員不在、鄭振權、鄭振權、鄭振權委員不在,請黃國昌委員質詢。 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].start |
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14568.156 |
| transcript.whisperx[540].text |
謝謝主席麻煩有請主委有請一將主委黃委員好主委好今天前面有很多委員都關心一件事情拿納稅人的錢在搞個人的宣傳有一些委員是質疑有一些民進黨的委員是上來護航說是潛力我們從頭開始看 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].start |
14593.115 |
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14619.177 |
| transcript.whisperx[541].text |
過去馬政府在辦活動的時候很多活動刻意以九馬九這些關鍵字命名大拍總統馬屁那個時候賴清德他在內政委員會他提的案子是什麼三預算五千萬那個時候賴清德怎麼說下面的人要逢迎拍馬你可以當面賀賜 |
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14650.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[542].text |
上面的人不知道事情的真相等到出事捅出大窟窿啊政府就會出狀況主委贊不贊成賴準總統的態度這個案我不是很了解這個案你不是很了解他基本講他講的是一個態度的問題啊拿納稅人的公帑啊搞個人宣傳啊拍馬屁啊這個是一個基本態度的問題啊您贊不贊成跟委員報告這個這個案子我不清楚 |
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14669.635 |
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好 那來看一下你清楚的是什麼案子啊花145萬的公帑出你個人的成果專刊這是在拍誰的馬屁啊我們沒有拍任何人的馬屁來看一下品項名稱移將拔綠兒主任委員成果專刊勞務採購案今年預算執行的是嗎對在執行今年的預算不是去年的吧 |
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14681.406 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].end |
14700.453 |
| transcript.whisperx[544].text |
這個是去年還是今年的是哪一年的預算都搞混啊相關的專刊出太多了嘛去年搞一本原民會八年施政成果專刊這我沒意見啊你把原民會八年做了什麼跟人民報告這個我贊成 |
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14715.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[545].text |
這個我沒有意見去年出了一本八年施政成果專刊結果今年要再出一本一將拔入我主任委員成果專刊主委你跟大家說明一下出這個專刊的必要性到底在哪裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[546].end |
14736.752 |
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在宣傳原名還是在宣傳你個人當然不是我個人那上面不是掛你的名字嗎委員我們還沒有出版你還沒有看到內容這個只是採購案的名稱而已對啊你連採購案的名稱就這樣定喔所以這個採購案的名稱是隨便亂取的嗎沒有隨便啊對啊 |
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| transcript.whisperx[547].end |
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| transcript.whisperx[547].text |
第一任的主委哪一個標案第一任的主委哪一個標案是用主任委員自己的名字的成果專刊拍馬屁拍成這樣喔前主委都已經出榜過了委員我給你報告包括孫大川委員所以前面的人怎麼幹你就可以怎麼幹嗎我們要怎麼幹啊那是我們原民會第一年的慣例啊來你去年 |
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| transcript.whisperx[548].end |
14778.527 |
| transcript.whisperx[548].text |
執行今年的預算嘛我翻了這本預算書啊我翻了老半天啊我看不出來啊這本預算書哪裡寫著要出你的專刊啊沒有啊來請教主委這一本你的專刊的預算是編在哪一個項目上編在哪一個項目下請說明 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[549].end |
14791.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[549].text |
在哪一項來我預算書給你折好以後請拿來給我看現在卸任的官員除了原民會以外有哪一位其他的主委還是部長有出這個成果專刊的來請教主委 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].start |
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| transcript.whisperx[550].end |
14832.983 |
| transcript.whisperx[550].text |
別的部會我沒有辦法幫他們來說明但是你作為原民會的主委你覺得有必要出這個專刊是不是我們這個專刊從第一任主委到現在都第一任都有 |
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| transcript.whisperx[551].end |
14856.082 |
| transcript.whisperx[551].text |
所以你是巡禮辦理而已嗎?不用啊!我會有看到嘛!對嘛!所以我才拿馬政府那個時候賴清德的批評給你聽嘛!你如果什麼事情是前面的人要怎麼幹我就要怎麼幹這一個漏期必須要有停止的一天這就是我的態度準準委的態度 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].start |
14859.195 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].end |
14882.392 |
| transcript.whisperx[552].text |
你們的預算編出來了編在哪裡編在哪裡寫要出你的專刊指出來給大家看嘛如果去年上屆的國會在審預算的時候資本要出你的專刊預算還放行那是上屆國會的錯但我翻了半天我就是找不到你那個預算到底編在哪裡 |
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| transcript.whisperx[553].end |
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讓國會的預算審查形同句文空洞的不得了項目寫這麼大錢過了以後愛怎麼搞就怎麼搞可以這樣喔委員這是我們27年來原民會一貫的業務作業我們都是依法來辦理的我再說明一次啦原民會作為一個機關要做施政成果報告我沒意見所以我負責任的把你的標案我全部都列出來了嘛 |
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但除了原民會的施政成果報告還要搞主委個人的宣傳我老實講啦這筆錢納稅人不會支持納稅人不會支持但現在最嚴重的問題在哪裡大家在審預算的時候根本就不知道你要搞這個東西嘛讓國會的監督形同巨文嘛項目編得很粗 |
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過了以後愛怎麼搞就怎麼搞可以這樣喔可以這樣嗎找到了沒有我預算書都提供給你們了到底是編在哪一個向下我非常好奇阿 |
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推動原住民族政策法規制度處理族群關係及本會研考業務之規劃執行所需的經費我看不出來這個上下是要推動原住民族政策法規制度處理關係 |
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這個跟你個人的專刊有什麼意思有什麼關係啊委員你還沒有看到我的專刊內容所以等我們出訪我會提供你參考我這樣講好了啦當預算過的名目跟你實際上面做的事情不一樣的時候我們就要追究責任 |
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我們就要追究責任今天這個標案的名稱是你們自己公告的不是我公告的也不是其他立委公告的標案的名稱就大剌剌的就講說是一將主委的成果專刊賴清德當初在野的時候痛批馬政府的馬屁文化 |
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結果民進黨執政8年改了什麼一模一樣嘛拿錢人當黨鍵牌嘛如果可以拿錢人當黨鍵牌的話賴清德當初的批判豈不成為笑話了 |
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謝謝黃國昌委員的質詢 請原民會以後注意這個部分繼續請何欣淳 何欣淳 何欣淳委員質詢他不在 繼續請盧憲一委員質詢 |
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主席請文化園區主任我們有請文化園區主任李將主委先休息一下對我的用意是這樣主任好好委員好很難得在這邊碰面那很開心那不過就文化園區有一些我多年來的看見我想問你一下常常我都會聽到說園區聘請不到舞者你的想法是怎麼樣 |
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表演的舞者常常會聘請不到或者是說招募不足因為我們的地點跟委員報告是在屏東當然在都會期的中北部的因為他們考慮到他們的生活所以說比較不容易是薪水的業務不足嗎薪水也比一般的薪水高就是說我們的舞者比一般的這個是因為沒有前景嗎 |
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也不是沒有前景實在是因為在屏東你認為他們的前景在哪裡他們的前景我跟委員報告我們的舞者他所表演的是台灣唯一的原住民的傳統舞蹈那有沒有可能把文化園區的名稱改成國家級的一個名稱呢他現在的名稱很像很像延期太久了感受不到他是個國家級的一個場域 |
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對 這個也是我們一直在努力希望這個業務團隊所以在吸引年輕人的部分可能就是因為這個名稱或者是他覺得他看不到願景就招募不足所以常常在需要很多人表演的時候常常聘請公讀生然後公讀生的訓練也不足所以造成應該有的表演呈現就不足 對不對 |
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15216.694 |
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謝謝委員的指教所以我希望如果你把策展人也列為以後的正式公務人員或者是我們的比較資深的舞者變成正式的一個專門技術人員任用變成正式的員額的時候會吸引更多人加入這樣一個行列對不對我們會正在努力希望這個業務團隊變成國家級的業務團隊那他的我們這個組織也希望多久之內可以達到 |
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我們已經在努力希望你留任的時候在你的任內能夠完成可以嗎? |
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15255.128 |
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我希望是在這個時候我們就把它推出去然後就是說希望整個這個業務團隊變成一個國家級的業務團隊整個組織做一個改變所以我希望在各國的一個高中或者是大學全省的大學或是高中能夠看到你們的招募的一個消息因為我其實很少看到你們在招募不過卻常常聽到說招募不足這樣一個消息出來 |
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15256.169 |
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委員報告我們都有到各個大專業消息大仁科技大學、東華甚至於到虎仁大學甚至於在這個內浦龍宮來義高中都有去做這樣一個招募的動作給他們房租的補貼 |
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防住的補貼沒有防住的補貼所以所以也是一個誘因啊第二個就是說如果他們到各地去表演的時候他們有沒有所謂的一個可以申請家出差或者是一個所謂的就是類似的一個家籍 |
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15306.891 |
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因為這個是國家級的團隊是政府培養的團隊那如果是公益的這個表演當然就是說住宿啦我希望昨天能夠多多為他們生活上面的著想才會可以配合到足夠的人數好不好我跟委員報告齁 |
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15308.051 |
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15331.761 |
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過去我還沒有去延期以前他們的這些團隊舞者的基本是都是在領基本工資我們要謝謝一屆主委來了之後我們現在的這個團演的這個基本的工資至少都是3萬5以上甚至於比較優秀的都已經到5萬塊的一個金額好那謝謝你們的努力那我們希望朝更好的方向來前進好不好謝謝 |
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15337.008 |
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接下來我要問的是關於臺東平地原住民的問題所以是請主委嗎可以好請一將主委 |
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因為常常會看到臺東的排灣族他是居住在大武、大鳥這些地區的他明明是排灣族可是他的身份卻是平地原住民有沒有想辦法克服這個問題這麼多年來這個要修改相關的法令才可能會很困難嗎我來請處長跟你說明好不好 |
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因為這個部分跟原住民身份法的整個法制使在民國35年先認定了3地原住民然後到民國45年開始認定平地原住民有沒有做過努力這個部分的話我們曾經在我們的原住民身份法過去曾經有規定過當地的人有沒有跟你們訴求過他想要改變有訴求過有沒有做過努力我們曾經有修過身份法就是說遇到了什麼遇到了什麼困難 |
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15399.117 |
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15415.734 |
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現在就是涉及到這整個因為山地原住民跟平地原住民當時是以30個山地項跟30個山地項以外來做區分是啊 如果說他們確實還是有這份需求的話而且是人數好幾千甚至上萬的話是不是應該短期之內把它解決 |
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有一點就是你明明是排完組就不能投3D原住民立委這樣一個問題呈現明明是親戚因為他跟我不同的身份不是很奇怪嗎是不是想辦法解決如果不然就我們有時間來聊聊天第二個就是關於我們恆春有一個社頂社區恆春社頂社區他明明是排完組可是他卻沒有原住民的身份有沒有人提過這個問題 |
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有有是齁也是一樣嗎也是卡在那個同樣的問題上面嗎所以他們就一併解決可以嗎好可以了齁那還有這次新竹市的一個山原跟平原的一個議員的席次的問題也就是說他雖然只有一席是平地原住民的議員不過他們新竹市的居住在新竹市的山地原住民非常多他們有那樣的身份可是沒有辦法投票 |
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也就是說他雖然住在新竹市他可以有投票權可是他沒有那樣的一個議員他可以投也就是說他沒有辦法行使他的公民權有沒有想過這個問題怎麼解決 |
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15489.987 |
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新竹市認為他們覺得很需要這一席有辦法短期內解決嗎 |
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15532.447 |
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我覺得整體修法是才是可行的方法那我們就努力好不好如果你繼續有任的話我們一起努力好不好謝謝委員那我要講的是接下來是就醫補助的問題就醫補助像多年來到現在沒有改善過文明是不是就醫補助處長好那跟委員報告一下那就醫補助現在按照法律規定是由因為我們一直希望能夠說就醫平權因為我們 |
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15533.564 |
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15560.793 |
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我們都會的人他是住在醫院旁邊做捷運就可以去看病了我們是要拔山涉水啊就於補助的部分我希望能夠逐年的調升好嗎不要每次都要提案這樣子他可以做個比例嗎目前現在主管法規涉案是在衛福部那我可以再跟衛福部反映那做個浮動的一個就是說你在補助的時候不要每年都要提出申請我們生活到哪一個水準的時候他應該自動就要調高啊對不對 |
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常常我們原住民要去看病的時候他要請假家人要請假帶他去看病還要包車還要住在那裡那你覺得那個我們花的成本是多少有沒有人在計算非常的辛苦好不好然後有人跟我說他們需要洗身的地方可是地方政府就會說我們沒有那樣的預算可是他們可以確定一支兩億的針進來 |
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15583.914 |
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15600.637 |
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那我們原住民的命就不是命嗎那需要洗腎的時候那些他們明明這個醫療院所是可以設置也沒有說很多錢那可是我們為什麼從來都不努力去盤點各個培養地區需要洗腎的人口是多少就算是三個人應該也要設一個洗腎室啊不是嗎 |
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15601.258 |
| transcript.whisperx[584].end |
15614.693 |
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如果說你遇到颱風他還要到多會區洗腎欸好不好可以盤點嗎我希望能夠全省盤點特偏地區的一個洗腎的需求一個人洗腎也要給他做 |
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15637.443 |
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一堆一億的都可以買進來了對不對政府不是沒有錢是我們不夠努力去盤點出來他們的需求幫他們想辦法不要有許聲擁有到擁有到兩個小時的時間來回然後這路上還會發生事情對不對好不好這是許聲的部分然後上次在交通貧窮有講到跟主委講過那個 |
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15666.302 |
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明年山上的路很小可是他們用的車就那麼大結果我講我沒有多久那個桃園去的那個公車就掉到水溝裡面溜龜我的意思就是說你常常去偏遠地區去看可是都會去的人他不會去想說你的路很小還是給你那麼大的巴士然後你在199縣道你要匯車的時候你都快到快到那個山坡上面了就是那個我再講是牡丹那邊對不對你每次假日的時候又有重機又有那麼大型的遊覽車然後 |
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15667.842 |
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15686.944 |
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一般人在那邊生活的人非常不安全所以你要考慮你這個地區你應該是限縮他那個巴士的那個大小因為現在也有小巴士啊好不好不然每次看到都是顯像環生大家能夠注意到這一個還有都會地區都會有每一區的運動中心可是你有想過烏來區有嗎 |
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15689.502 |
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15710.321 |
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新義區有嗎?我所謂的新義鄉還有仁愛鄉有嗎?都沒有啊然後我們這邊是到處可見健身房然後國家還幫他們弄個運動中心我們鄉下連走路的地方都沒有是不是要規劃一個所謂的健康的設施或者運動的設施我們多努力好不好?好 |
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15711.562 |
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15734.129 |
| transcript.whisperx[589].text |
因為健康很多都是從運動累積來的所以這個也是要相對的一個配套可以嗎好謝謝委員那麼關心嚴敏的健康的請時間到了嗎是嗎再兩個問題就好了好不好那個我們國土因為我有很高興參加3月26號在新竹辦的4月2號4月3號可能沒有時間然後這邊問一下處長 |
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15736.411 |
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15751.495 |
| transcript.whisperx[590].text |
上次有很多收穫啦我還是希望跟全國原住民知道說我們也很關心這個問題好不好就是問題就是所謂的原鄉土地尚未辦保存登記的建物按現行建管法令如何取得建造實用製造的問題 |
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15756.682 |
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15768.652 |
| transcript.whisperx[591].text |
報告委員按照目前的規定的話就是現成土地呢如果在77年以前它存在的話呢是可以輔導取得合法使用證明那第7年以後的話呢必須要補辦建造補辦嘛吼那費用呢 |
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15772.645 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].end |
15800.196 |
| transcript.whisperx[592].text |
我們這費用部分的話它包括了不辦建造的話包括要請建築師重新畫那個建築的設計設計書圖我知道那有跟原住民的鄉親說費用大概多少嗎我們過去曾經過去曾經輔導新竹一個案例它一個一戶是6萬塊6萬塊對你覺得大部分的人都可以支付得了嗎的確有些家境不好的確那你會想辦法要怎麼解決 |
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15801.877 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].end |
15826.458 |
| transcript.whisperx[593].text |
這部分我們有過去曾經我們會放在這過去是我們用專案那示範的案例來做處理那我們在研究這個也跟那個納入你們的考量重點好不好因為接下來是非常多的人需要做這方面的需求最後一個問題就是我們的略略條款希望在原住民土地使用規則在那個裡面 |
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15827.339 |
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15832.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[594].text |
就是說你在辦理建物申請的時候不要有落入條款好不好 |
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15833.147 |
| transcript.whisperx[595].end |
15855.962 |
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這個我們持續跟國土署他們來協商對,我相信這麼多的案件我們是朝這個方向努力的好,謝謝處長,謝謝非常謝謝盧縣議委員的質詢在這邊也說明一下對於都會區山地原住民的參政權其實我們在地質法裡面也要修訂那我招委也會排然後另外這個國土 |
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15857.703 |
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15875.862 |
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國土部分取得建造的部分我早晚也會排原民會內政部還有我們一起來討論一下就是未來是不是用於建造的取得的部分手續能夠減變甚至於希望我們的政府部門能夠補助一些金額好嗎 |
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15877.203 |
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15878.344 |
| transcript.whisperx[597].text |
主席各位委員有請這個 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].start |
15906.846 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].end |
15909.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[598].text |
原住民族自治起法 |
| transcript.whisperx[599].start |
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15959.545 |
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到這個原住民族自治法到這個原住民族自治暫行條例從程序性立法到實質性立法到階段性立法原民會的報告寫了很多的這個已經寫也不止一次這個它的困難度但是呢很重要的就是原民會從105年 |
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15963.152 |
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15987.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[600].text |
編列這個原住民族自治的預算從105年到113年到今年了總共已經編列了3639萬8千元名字名高真的非常非常的可惜好人民會的報告今天哈 |
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16010.339 |
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現階段本會遵循蔡英文總統才是方向已經改了105年的8月1號蔡總統承諾我們會很快的將原住民族自治法送到立法院我不知道什麼時候改的因為你這邊沒有寫時間了怎麼了從來 |
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16021.295 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].end |
16048.077 |
| transcript.whisperx[602].text |
抱歉抱歉沒關係我們暫停時間一下怎麼會我們請議事人員麻煩協助處理謝謝從頭從頭我沒有按這變成別人的這不是我的 |
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16061.377 |
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16086.491 |
| transcript.whisperx[603].text |
好開始這個110年3月12號110年那個蘇貞昌在打選本席的質詢的時候他特別提到對於制定原住民族自治法蘇院長答覆我會分流立法承諾分流立法已經三年多了到現在還沒有看到 |
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16087.739 |
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16108.332 |
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所謂的分流立法的草案到現在就算蔡總統剛才講的這個也要提出法律案了也要提出法律案你要提出來你要跟那個主委報告我們要趕快送所以也沒有我們看陳總統陳水扁總統的時候 |
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16114.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].end |
16144.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[605].text |
提了三次程序性的立法為或原住民族委的立委的支持這邊打錯了為或原住民的立委的支持馬英九總統第一個83年83條的原住民族自治法草案實質性的立法後來第二任的時候提出原住民族自治暫行條例草案階段性的立法這個階段性立法其實就是分流立法了 |
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16145.197 |
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其實就是分流立法好原住民族自治法的草案在一百年立法院內政委員會當時我們的高精素美委員就在內政委員會審查完成了這個原住民族自治法的草案行政院版還有五黨團結聯盟所提出的黨團版林鄭二委員孔文吉委員所提出來的 |
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16176.158 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].end |
16204.185 |
| transcript.whisperx[607].text |
然後經過草野協商五次草野協商五次草野協商在一百年六月十三號草野協商的版本送到宴會本案應上代協商做以下結論協商結論提出因為沒有完成協商為什麼沒有完成協商高金素美委員在這邊 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].start |
16205.629 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].end |
16233.052 |
| transcript.whisperx[608].text |
五黨團結聯盟有簽字國民黨黨團有簽字另外一個黨團那時候就有三個黨團另外一個黨團不簽字101年立法委員原住民的立法還是不放棄再送院會一樣協商後再行處理因為還是沒有簽字還沒有簽字好這個就是整個 |
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16235.166 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].end |
16263.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[609].text |
從99年12月23、27、29內政委員會很辛苦的審查然後再召開5次的黨團協商就是沒有簽字民進黨團不簽字所以就沒有通過很可惜真的很可惜所以這個要不要使用有時候要跟政務官講我要拋棄政黨的我們要以原住民族為第一優先要這樣 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].start |
16264.738 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].end |
16289.896 |
| transcript.whisperx[610].text |
好我們看這個暫行條例原住民族暫行條例原住民族自治暫行條例那時候本席已經當立法委員從第8屆開始高金素美委員也在場我們把這個很認真的暫行條例原住民族自治暫行條例行政院版本我們把它改為原住民族自治推動條例這個就是階段性立法 |
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16290.959 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].end |
16317.029 |
| transcript.whisperx[611].text |
也就是所謂的朱貞昌院長所講的分流立法但是呢很可惜那時候被罵得一塌糊塗啊沒有土地、沒有經費、沒有財政但是如果我們仔細看這個 亞伯師傅未來你下次齁把這個條文啊給主委看啊非常大的條文啊 |
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16319.628 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].end |
16343.481 |
| transcript.whisperx[612].text |
雖然沒有土地有啊還是有土地啊原住民族土地及自然資源的管理耶自然保育的管理都有啊所以這個部分啊很可惜啊真的是很可惜好你看財務協商我們都簽字了高興樹莓也有簽字鄭天才我代理主持了張靜中啊 |
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16346.327 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].end |
16361.81 |
| transcript.whisperx[613].text |
趙偉他說這個原住民的法案你來主持我來主持真的是很可惜好 我們看這個原住民族土地使用管理規則那個那個杜莊 梅莊處長杜莊處長 謝謝不需要亞波回答嗎就他聽就好先坐一下好了沙保這個你的管理規則草案 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].start |
16374.249 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].end |
16400.609 |
| transcript.whisperx[614].text |
未移原住民族土地這個就是一個陷阱雖然你的說明雖然你的說明雖然有寫啊包含你以前傳統你調查那個部分但是實際上在執行的時候內政部就會告訴你這個不行啊你的這個只是說明啊你看你的草案第5條也是未移原住民族土地上 |
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16404.883 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].end |
16408.188 |
| transcript.whisperx[615].text |
原住民族土地建壁力、容積力 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].start |
16418.646 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].end |
16442.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[616].text |
化設辦法原住民族土地是傳統領域跟既有的原住民保育地原住民族傳統領域土地是公有土地你就被形同形同這條文就形同膝射了這公有土地我們怎麼能我們原來蓋的房子怎麼能夠沒有辦法合法啊因為這公有土地啊對不對然後再私有土地的不算啊 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].start |
16444.864 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].end |
16469.741 |
| transcript.whisperx[617].text |
就會產生這個問題所以我的建議就把它定在條文裡面我們就直接定在條文什麼呢部落的範圍裡面的私有土地部落範圍裡面的私有土地不限於原住民保留地包含平地原住民部落的範圍裡面的私有土地把它寫清楚因為這個規則 |
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16474.43 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].end |
16479.526 |
| transcript.whisperx[618].text |
這個規則跟這個辦法是平行的就可以排除它就不會有這樣的一個 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].start |
16480.066 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].end |
16506.617 |
| transcript.whisperx[619].text |
一個陷阱我可以說明嗎好委員剛剛講那個都對啦那我的意思是說我們跟國土署協調是以屬人主義是原住民身份的就會有這樣的一個權益這個也是我們擔心說如果原住民身份未來土地如果不是原保地不是這個他會不會轉嫁到非原的身上這個是我們考慮的所以現在剛剛委員講那個依照我們現在討論的這個方向是不太容易發生我的意思是這樣那如果委員覺得說這樣子不是很 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].start |
16507.145 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].end |
16507.825 |
| transcript.whisperx[620].text |
原住民族學校法 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].start |
16526.755 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].end |
16543.858 |
| transcript.whisperx[621].text |
第15條規定的原住民族教育法第15條規定的很清楚要另以法律定制就立法就提出草案為什麼呢你不要等什麼什麼什麼還沒有我們回顧哈民國57年民國57年國民政府時代啊被現在的法律稱為威權統治時期 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].start |
16553.339 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].end |
16564.734 |
| transcript.whisperx[622].text |
民國57年國民義務教育要到9年6年變9年了國中啊那時候老師不足啊照樣推行 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].start |
16566.087 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].end |
16593.162 |
| transcript.whisperx[623].text |
老實不足照樣推行何況這麼多年幾十年了之後我們失智不足嗎太主了我們的資料不足嗎太主了我們原住民族學院已經推動那麼多年了所以最起碼你法律提出草案然後呢你可以等什麼時候的時候什麼時候執行執行而另遊行者認定是也可以啊這個加油 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].start |
16593.68 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].end |
16595.521 |
| transcript.whisperx[624].text |
112年臺北高等行政法院的判決 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].start |
16621.754 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].end |
16650.955 |
| transcript.whisperx[625].text |
單列原住民族傳統名字可用羅馬拼音原住民族文字法院最高法院判決聖書這裡面以了憲法還有相關的這些我們很多的大法官的解釋人權先也引用了什麼呢?原住民族語言發展法第一條的第一句話就是本席所堅持的提出來的原住民族語言是國家語言 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].start |
16651.38 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].end |
16680.345 |
| transcript.whisperx[626].text |
因為這一計畫所以行政法院臺北高等行政法院引用了然後做了解釋所以就判決勝訴這個法律整個論述非常清楚有時間的時候好好看這裡面我在112年11月9號質詢的內政部部長我說居然最高法院判決了 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].start |
16681.243 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].end |
16701.446 |
| transcript.whisperx[627].text |
你協調新北市政府不要上訴還好新北市政府沒有上訴然後我當初要求內政部部長既然法院判決了就解釋可以依法來解釋所以這個部分 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].start |
16703.152 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].end |
16722.404 |
| transcript.whisperx[628].text |
負責主管的部分趕快辦理解釋跟委員報告就是上個禮拜行政院有找本會跟內政部針對這部分對就是趕快解釋那之後我們會尋解釋的方式去處理這件事情好那個教文處還有那個一方會 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].start |
16725.396 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].end |
16752.486 |
| transcript.whisperx[629].text |
足以AI技術系統的研發這個部分我們原住民族語言發展法第10條規定的函數要調查什麼相關的足以能力的提升本席也召開過協調會在去年的6月8號跟7月7號召開兩次協調會足以AI語音即時翻譯系統協調會 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].start |
16754.567 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].end |
16781.985 |
| transcript.whisperx[630].text |
這個部分你們也在進行的原民會跟以發基金會所以這個部分要繼續努力要加油主與教師不足原民會、教文處還有以發會以發基金會現在學前教育12年國教都要主與教學但是我們的主與教師嚴重不足 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].start |
16783.044 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].end |
16807.791 |
| transcript.whisperx[631].text |
這是怎麼說111年8月22號的我呢我每次都質詢教育部部長還是切爾300多人非常非常的可惜啊所以這個也是一個就業的機會啊所以這個部門開過協調會啊所以你們要加強的來去落實就開班了補習班了那個那個叫什麼 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].start |
16810.227 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].end |
16831.142 |
| transcript.whisperx[632].text |
中高級通過的願意當族裔老師的就考高級族裔教研習班訓練班這個部分要去推動所以這個部分是一個需要去加強的部分那另外就是說今天今天的那個今天等一下要審查的研究法這個20條之一 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].start |
16835.097 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].end |
16858.296 |
| transcript.whisperx[633].text |
本席為了這個我早上有提到的一個老先生八十幾歲八十幾歲那個圖管處圖管處上來我寫了四次寫信給以將主委為了這個案子這個美莊你有沒有看過這封信 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].start |
16859.717 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].end |
16874.546 |
| transcript.whisperx[634].text |
寫了四次,四封信不同時間寫的喔,很可惜,就這樣被判決,判決有期徒刑,這老先生八十幾歲就這樣過世,原來是怎麼樣,根本就弄錯了。 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].start |
16876.564 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].end |
16899.063 |
| transcript.whisperx[635].text |
法官弄錯檢察官弄錯也沒有會去有去喔你沒有去喔也沒有好好的去指導這些法官我們有跟那個法官講說這不是散播地方當時還是被判了就因為他那個是侵佔的不是不是不是你錯了他用散播地方我就罰他了你錯了你錯了我看了這個判決書看得很清楚 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].start |
16899.96 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].end |
16904.783 |
| transcript.whisperx[636].text |
原住民族保留地管理利用條例什麼時候會通過不知道請問一下你們有送給行政院了嗎這一屆 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].start |
16928.88 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].end |
16932.642 |
| transcript.whisperx[637].text |
登記發言的委員除了不在場之外其餘都已經發言完畢我們詢答結束 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].start |
16956.912 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].end |
16982.535 |
| transcript.whisperx[638].text |
委員蘇巧慧、林倩琦、丁學忠、陳培鈺所提的書面質詢列入紀錄刊登公報。書面質詢跟未及答覆的部分請相關單位在一週之內以書面答覆並複製本會。討論事項所列的議案我們另外定期繼續審查。今天的開會我們就先休息。謝謝大家。 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].start |
16985.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].end |
16987.39 |
| transcript.whisperx[639].text |
本次歷程處理完畢了,我們現在散會。 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].start |
17022.049 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].end |
17032.024 |
| transcript.whisperx[640].text |
一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、六、七、八、九、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、二、三、四、五、十、一、 |